**Important** On the driver's side axle housing, there are 2 or 3 bolts that hold the brake line brackets in. Take those out too to relieve tension on those brake lines before you drop the axle down. They are easy to get to.
Have you confirmed the positioning of the concave washer is correct at 5:05? I haven't had any issues in the 10,000+ miles since I've installed them using your video, but just learned that the top washer may, possibly, need to be installed the other way. From Bilstein's instructions: "F. Install the upper bushing, Bilstein washer (concave side down), and lock nut onto the shock stem. If a chassis hoist has been used, be sure to lower the vehicle such that its full weight is on the suspension prior to fully tightening the fasteners."
I followed my instructions that said concave facing up. The picture on the manual also showed it facing up. I have not contacted Bilstein. No issues or sounds for me either
@@AZOverland2017 Ya. Completely random post on a forum led me to look up pics of 5160 installs to try and help them and found an install from 88 Rotors (big installer in Southern California) with the washer the other way. Piqued my interest so I googled "Bilstein 5160 Install Instructions" and found a Bilsten official link with a PDF which showed the washer the other way. And, of course, I have my 6112 instructions, but can't find my 5160 instructions. Not worried about it; it's more of a curiosity at this point.
Thanks for this one as well! I don't have a bottle jack so I used my floor jack underneath the axle on the other side. It worked really well on driver's side spring, not as well on the second spring, but I got it in.
Great tutorial. I really appreciate the guiadance. I ran into an issue where the sway bar brackets didn’t release because of the claws on the bottom. This caused them to bend and it was a massive pain to figure out why they werent going back on and then bend them back.
@@chase1436 Thanks. I had no issues on mine. However when I did another 4Runner which was a 2020 TRD Off Road I ran into the same thing. Had to really work at it to get the bottom bolt hole to line up. I wonder if the sway bar is different from my SR5. What model is yours?
Great video. I can't recommend disconnecting the sway bar from the axle as I tried it your way and after the suspension installation I am not able to get the driver side bottom bracket bolt back in! The holes shifted slightly to the left after installation and there is a small metal bracket squished onto the sway bar to lock that bracket in place and preventing me from getting that bottom bolt in. So now I have to have the mechanic try and fix that. Other than that, very helpful video.
I appreciate you feedback! I had no problem with mine. I did a friends I we ran into the same thing you mentioned on his. I wonder if because he had a higher lift in the rear or possibly because his is a TRD OR with potentially thicker sway bars? We were able to still get it done and would have had less of an issue if i had finessed it a bit more before trying to get the bolt in. I know many others have doe it this way with no issues and I have heard from another he had the same issue you mentioned. What model do you have and what size lift in the rear?
Well done, Anthony! This is a great setup. You will definitely appreciate the difference. And then, after a while, you'll be switching to Elkas! :)) Offroading, it's not an adventure, it's an addiction.
For the rear I am contemplating between 5100 and 5160. There are many cases on the internet 5160 leaks oil. Is there any info if Bilstein solved this problem lately?
@@RealeaD I'll give you my opinion on this. I think if you search for any brand of shocks with a "leaking" tag word you will see many complaints about most of the brands having leaks. I think this is for several reasons. 1. People tend to post about issues with products when they have them. So, it seems like everyone is having them. However, you need to take into consideration the failure rate of a product vs the actual number of installed units without issue. 2. Installer error needs to be taken into consideration. I don't consider myself an expert, but I see a lot of people installing parts incorrectly which can lead to failure prematurely. 3. Installs without supporting mods or other considering factors. Ex. installing the correct bump stops after lifts. Stressing out suspension parts with a lift that they were not designed for, etc I think it's impossible to say if the 5160 setup has a higher failure rate than most other reservoir shocks, especially since they are so popular. I think the chances of them leaking vs the 5100 are higher because there are more areas in which leaks could occur since it has the reservoir with 2 attachment points with the hydraulic lines. If you think the 5100 will work for your style of off-roading, lift, etc. than you will most likely have a lower probability of leak issues. I was ok trying the 5160 because it fit what I needed/wanted. I hope all this makes sense
@@AZOverland2017 thanks for the very detailed reply... I did a lot of research on the internet and it seemed 5160 for 4runner has a specific leak problem, (specifically it leaks from the attachment point with the main shock body) while for example tacoma people don't experience the same problem. Even my local dealer said he doesn't recommend 5160 because it has a leakage issue... I want 5160, but can't make a decision 😆 5160 design for Landcruiser 200 looks really good, there is no moving part.
@@RealeaD I know they made changes, i just don't know if it was effective or not. i see they changed from braided to rubberized lines and the mounting brackets have changed a few times. i wonder if they changed the design of that hose attachment point as well?
For the rear I am contemplating between 5100 and 5160. There are many cases on the internet 5160 leaks oil. Is there any info if Bilstein solved this problem lately?
I think the best budget upgrade would be the Bilstein 5100's. This is certainly a step above that with the larger shock body and reservoir system. But yes, compared to other brands, it could be considered a "budget" upgrade.
@@AZOverland2017 5100s really aren't designed for offroad use. After constant vibration from trails, they do lose their effectiveness after a while, both on the trail and lifespan. The 6112s in the front and 5160s in the back are a much better value for money and far more effective. It's night and day, especially if you have added weight to your vehicle like bumpers, winches, a rack, camping stuff, drawers or bins... and don't forget the Westcott Designs Ladder.
I paid about $1,400 from Underdog Motorsports in Mesa. It looks like they have it on sale now for about $1,200. Talk to Brett the owner, he's a great guy. underdogmotorsports.com/collections/toyota-4runner-10-22/products/bilstein-6112-0-3-5-front-5160-0-2-rear-lift-shocks-2010-2022-toyota-4runner?_pos=1&_fid=7963dcebc&_ss=c
The front was right around 2.25" and the rear stayed very close to 1.5". Both on and off road the ride is much improved. It is a softer going over bumps and washboards, but not bouncy. Even with the lift it actually handles better than stock when going around curves and turns.
@@AZOverland2017 I just ordered this same setup (5160's/6112's) with 2" OME rear springs. I plan on installing a front bumper next and already have engine, transmission and transfer case steel skids. I'm looking for 2" of lift front and back. I was going to set my circlets to positions 3 & 5 since the manual states that they include the weight of an aftermarket heavy duty steel front bumper and winch in their recommended positions but I see yours are set to 4 & 6 (you can see them marked in your other video). If you wouldn't mind, could you share how long it took them to settle to 2.25" and 1.5"? Would you change any of the circlet positions knowing what you know now? What is it sitting at after 11 months of use? Thanks for these amazing installation videos!
@@matthewdski The ride height is perfect for me. I just barely get it in the garage which was a priority. My set is the older model # which offered a max lift of 2.5 inches. The newer model offers up to a 3 inch lift so don't go by my clip locations. It settled within the week and I have not checked it since but it seems to be the same according to my garage clearance. It sits level. I may change the rear spring to the next level stiffer as I load up with gear, while, etc it does come down a little bit still good. When I connect the trailer it does bring the back down but I have a solution for that in an upcoming video. Just take into consideration the weight you have and will add and how it may affect your ride height
Question buddy: With your lift combo 6112\5160 - did you need to raise your panhard bar bracket ? or your sway bar links ? Thanks so much..just got my 2024 Runner and loving your setups man.
Need to? No. I would definitely look at leveling the Panhard, but the sway links, no. I haven't done either and it rides great, but I will revisit the Panhard bracket soon
I don't do this for a living anymore as I used to. I am considering doing side jobs while I'm in the off season for my job and I have more time. But, I'm not quite sure what I'd charge. I had another subscriber tell me a shop wanted to charge $4-$500. I would do it for less than that If I were to do this for someone since I don't have the overhead they do.
@@AZOverland2017 that makes a lot of sense. I have been quoted around $1.2k for install for the front Bilstein 6112 and rear 5160. I would love to learn to do this install myself. One of the main reason I got the 4runner is so I can upgrade and repair mostly myself. However I am not confident enough to tackle this alone. Paying over $1k for labor without learning how maintain or repair seems wasteful to me, and I'm sure there is a community who agrees. Obtaining the skills and knowledge to repair and perform future installs is far more valuable.
@@NerdPerson23 Where are you located? On some of our AZ 4Runner Facebook groups there are guys who do "Wrench Parties" often. They/you get together at someone's home and they work help others work on their 4Runners. Maybes you can do something like that. If you were local I would help out.
@@AZOverland2017 im just up in cave creek next to a ton of trails 👍. i would definitely be interested in a wrench party. im not from AZ and dont have many connections, thank you for the info
@@AZOverland2017 yeah I am on the same boat. I decided to keep the 265 for now but keep looking at those cool 285 lol. but I know they are not worth the mpg and performance drop as well for daily ride.
@@Cosaneo Exactly. Love the look but there are drawbacks as you mentioned as well as added stress to steering/suspension components. There is a lot to consider that many don't think about. But yes, it does look great, no doubt
@@AZOverland2017 makes sense yes. I just did a Bilstein 5100 front and back, with front clip set to about an 1inch that gave me a subtle great stance and level look. I wish i went with 6112 sometimes. Watching ur video i feel like i can probably upgrade next time all myself.
I don't see how the rear end could drop far enough without either unbolting the sway bar directly from the axle housings or form the end links. I just think it's easier to unbolt the bar directly.
Nice video. Did you get good alignment? I am assuming that the stock uca worked and enabled the alignment. Did you put the spacers on for the pan hard rod?
The owners of Underdog Motorsports have agreed to offer my Subscribers a 5% discount if you use the link below If the discount doesn't show up when checking out, call and speak with Brett! Underdog Motorsports (Brett and Shane) 480-269-2833 255 E Southern Ave Suite 7 Mesa, AZ 85210 The Suspension used in the video can be purchased here: *Use Discount Code NEW5OFF for 5% off your order* underdog-motorsports.myshopify.com
**Important** On the driver's side axle housing, there are 2 or 3 bolts that hold the brake line brackets in. Take those out too to relieve tension on those brake lines before you drop the axle down. They are easy to get to.
Have you confirmed the positioning of the concave washer is correct at 5:05? I haven't had any issues in the 10,000+ miles since I've installed them using your video, but just learned that the top washer may, possibly, need to be installed the other way.
From Bilstein's instructions: "F. Install the upper bushing, Bilstein washer (concave side down), and lock nut onto the shock stem.
If a chassis hoist has been used, be sure to lower the vehicle such that its full weight is on the
suspension prior to fully tightening the fasteners."
I followed my instructions that said concave facing up. The picture on the manual also showed it facing up. I have not contacted Bilstein. No issues or sounds for me either
@@AZOverland2017 Ya. Completely random post on a forum led me to look up pics of 5160 installs to try and help them and found an install from 88 Rotors (big installer in Southern California) with the washer the other way. Piqued my interest so I googled "Bilstein 5160 Install Instructions" and found a Bilsten official link with a PDF which showed the washer the other way.
And, of course, I have my 6112 instructions, but can't find my 5160 instructions. Not worried about it; it's more of a curiosity at this point.
Thanks for this one as well! I don't have a bottle jack so I used my floor jack underneath the axle on the other side. It worked really well on driver's side spring, not as well on the second spring, but I got it in.
Yes, that works as well. The 2nd spring is definitely harder after the 1st one is installed. Glad you got it to work!
Finally complete. Looks nice.
Thanks!
Great tutorial. I really appreciate the guiadance. I ran into an issue where the sway bar brackets didn’t release because of the claws on the bottom. This caused them to bend and it was a massive pain to figure out why they werent going back on and then bend them back.
@@chase1436 Thanks. I had no issues on mine. However when I did another 4Runner which was a 2020 TRD Off Road I ran into the same thing. Had to really work at it to get the bottom bolt hole to line up. I wonder if the sway bar is different from my SR5. What model is yours?
TRD off road.
I followed your instructions and it came out great. Thanks for the info.
I love hearing that. Thank you 🙏
Great video. I can't recommend disconnecting the sway bar from the axle as I tried it your way and after the suspension installation I am not able to get the driver side bottom bracket bolt back in! The holes shifted slightly to the left after installation and there is a small metal bracket squished onto the sway bar to lock that bracket in place and preventing me from getting that bottom bolt in. So now I have to have the mechanic try and fix that. Other than that, very helpful video.
I appreciate you feedback! I had no problem with mine. I did a friends I we ran into the same thing you mentioned on his. I wonder if because he had a higher lift in the rear or possibly because his is a TRD OR with potentially thicker sway bars? We were able to still get it done and would have had less of an issue if i had finessed it a bit more before trying to get the bolt in. I know many others have doe it this way with no issues and I have heard from another he had the same issue you mentioned. What model do you have and what size lift in the rear?
@@AZOverland2017 24 TRD Off Road (not premium), put one inch Eibach springs in the rear as part of the Stage 2 kit.
You make the job very, very easy! I’m daring to do it myself 😅 good video 💪🏼
Great video and great job. Thanks again for all your posts.
Thanks for watching!
Nice work! Looks good!
Thank you!
Well done, Anthony! This is a great setup. You will definitely appreciate the difference. And then, after a while, you'll be switching to Elkas! :))
Offroading, it's not an adventure, it's an addiction.
An expensive addiction!
For the rear I am contemplating between 5100 and 5160. There are many cases on the internet 5160 leaks oil. Is there any info if Bilstein solved this problem lately?
@@RealeaD I'll give you my opinion on this. I think if you search for any brand of shocks with a "leaking" tag word you will see many complaints about most of the brands having leaks. I think this is for several reasons. 1. People tend to post about issues with products when they have them. So, it seems like everyone is having them. However, you need to take into consideration the failure rate of a product vs the actual number of installed units without issue. 2. Installer error needs to be taken into consideration. I don't consider myself an expert, but I see a lot of people installing parts incorrectly which can lead to failure prematurely. 3. Installs without supporting mods or other considering factors. Ex. installing the correct bump stops after lifts. Stressing out suspension parts with a lift that they were not designed for, etc
I think it's impossible to say if the 5160 setup has a higher failure rate than most other reservoir shocks, especially since they are so popular. I think the chances of them leaking vs the 5100 are higher because there are more areas in which leaks could occur since it has the reservoir with 2 attachment points with the hydraulic lines.
If you think the 5100 will work for your style of off-roading, lift, etc. than you will most likely have a lower probability of leak issues. I was ok trying the 5160 because it fit what I needed/wanted.
I hope all this makes sense
@@AZOverland2017 thanks for the very detailed reply... I did a lot of research on the internet and it seemed 5160 for 4runner has a specific leak problem, (specifically it leaks from the attachment point with the main shock body) while for example tacoma people don't experience the same problem. Even my local dealer said he doesn't recommend 5160 because it has a leakage issue... I want 5160, but can't make a decision 😆 5160 design for Landcruiser 200 looks really good, there is no moving part.
@@RealeaD I know they made changes, i just don't know if it was effective or not. i see they changed from braided to rubberized lines and the mounting brackets have changed a few times. i wonder if they changed the design of that hose attachment point as well?
looks really good!
Thanks, I'm very happy with the stance.
I like how you say reservoir....😊
It sounds different when I hear it come out of my mouth as I'm saying it than when i hear it on recorded video. You should hear me pronounce radiator
@@AZOverland2017 We're waiting.
For the rear I am contemplating between 5100 and 5160. There are many cases on the internet 5160 leaks oil. Is there any info if Bilstein solved this problem lately?
Best "budget" set up in my opinion.
I think the best budget upgrade would be the Bilstein 5100's. This is certainly a step above that with the larger shock body and reservoir system. But yes, compared to other brands, it could be considered a "budget" upgrade.
@@AZOverland2017 5100s really aren't designed for offroad use. After constant vibration from trails, they do lose their effectiveness after a while, both on the trail and lifespan. The 6112s in the front and 5160s in the back are a much better value for money and far more effective. It's night and day, especially if you have added weight to your vehicle like bumpers, winches, a rack, camping stuff, drawers or bins... and don't forget the Westcott Designs Ladder.
@@InGratitudeIam Agreed
May I ask...what did this setup cost? Sending this to my nephew the fireman. Awesome! Timmy C Arizona
I paid about $1,400 from Underdog Motorsports in Mesa. It looks like they have it on sale now for about $1,200. Talk to Brett the owner, he's a great guy.
underdogmotorsports.com/collections/toyota-4runner-10-22/products/bilstein-6112-0-3-5-front-5160-0-2-rear-lift-shocks-2010-2022-toyota-4runner?_pos=1&_fid=7963dcebc&_ss=c
@AZOverland2017 thank you sir!
Great video thanks for shariing!
Thanks for watching
Again great video man! Are there any specific reasons not to disconnect the sway bar link but the sway bar mount?
I felt it was easier to do it that way but some prefer disconnecting the end link. Either is fine
great video!
I appreciate it!
Overall lift once settled out? And finally, how's the ride over stock on road and off?
The front was right around 2.25" and the rear stayed very close to 1.5". Both on and off road the ride is much improved. It is a softer going over bumps and washboards, but not bouncy. Even with the lift it actually handles better than stock when going around curves and turns.
@@AZOverland2017 I just ordered this same setup (5160's/6112's) with 2" OME rear springs. I plan on installing a front bumper next and already have engine, transmission and transfer case steel skids. I'm looking for 2" of lift front and back. I was going to set my circlets to positions 3 & 5 since the manual states that they include the weight of an aftermarket heavy duty steel front bumper and winch in their recommended positions but I see yours are set to 4 & 6 (you can see them marked in your other video). If you wouldn't mind, could you share how long it took them to settle to 2.25" and 1.5"? Would you change any of the circlet positions knowing what you know now? What is it sitting at after 11 months of use? Thanks for these amazing installation videos!
@@matthewdski The ride height is perfect for me. I just barely get it in the garage which was a priority. My set is the older model # which offered a max lift of 2.5 inches. The newer model offers up to a 3 inch lift so don't go by my clip locations. It settled within the week and I have not checked it since but it seems to be the same according to my garage clearance. It sits level. I may change the rear spring to the next level stiffer as I load up with gear, while, etc it does come down a little bit still good. When I connect the trailer it does bring the back down but I have a solution for that in an upcoming video. Just take into consideration the weight you have and will add and how it may affect your ride height
It looks like they changed the way the reservoir is mounted.
I've seen several setups for that. They used to have a similar base bracket and attached the res to that with worm clamps. I was not a fan of that.
Question buddy: With your lift combo 6112\5160 - did you need to raise your panhard bar bracket ? or your sway bar links ? Thanks so much..just got my 2024 Runner and loving your setups man.
Need to? No. I would definitely look at leveling the Panhard, but the sway links, no. I haven't done either and it rides great, but I will revisit the Panhard bracket soon
@@AZOverland2017 The best...hope you don't mind me peppering your vids with Q&A, just found your channel and it is killa!
@@totalnoobfishing1753 Not at all
Another great video! I’m about to do this same suspension.
How much do you charge for install ??
I don't do this for a living anymore as I used to. I am considering doing side jobs while I'm in the off season for my job and I have more time. But, I'm not quite sure what I'd charge. I had another subscriber tell me a shop wanted to charge $4-$500. I would do it for less than that If I were to do this for someone since I don't have the overhead they do.
@@AZOverland2017 that makes a lot of sense. I have been quoted around $1.2k for install for the front Bilstein 6112 and rear 5160.
I would love to learn to do this install myself. One of the main reason I got the 4runner is so I can upgrade and repair mostly myself. However I am not confident enough to tackle this alone.
Paying over $1k for labor without learning how maintain or repair seems wasteful to me, and I'm sure there is a community who agrees. Obtaining the skills and knowledge to repair and perform future installs is far more valuable.
@@NerdPerson23 Where are you located? On some of our AZ 4Runner Facebook groups there are guys who do "Wrench Parties" often. They/you get together at someone's home and they work help others work on their 4Runners. Maybes you can do something like that. If you were local I would help out.
@@AZOverland2017 im just up in cave creek next to a ton of trails 👍. i would definitely be interested in a wrench party. im not from AZ and dont have many connections, thank you for the info
@@NerdPerson23 You are not far from me, I'm emailing you now
Can you use with stock coil springs??
@@randyrodas5447 Yes, if you want to keep stock height
@@AZOverland2017 thank you. Really helps me out.
Did you decide to keep the stock 265 tires or upgrade to 285?
@@Cosaneo I kept the 265s. There are several reasons why, but 1 of those is still being able to fit the 4Runner in the garage
@@AZOverland2017 yeah I am on the same boat. I decided to keep the 265 for now but keep looking at those cool 285 lol. but I know they are not worth the mpg and performance drop as well for daily ride.
@@Cosaneo Exactly. Love the look but there are drawbacks as you mentioned as well as added stress to steering/suspension components. There is a lot to consider that many don't think about. But yes, it does look great, no doubt
@@AZOverland2017 makes sense yes. I just did a Bilstein 5100 front and back, with front clip set to about an 1inch that gave me a subtle great stance and level look. I wish i went with 6112 sometimes. Watching ur video i feel like i can probably upgrade next time all myself.
How do you like that Bilstein setup?
It is working great for my setup. No complaints.
What part number for the Bilstein rear coils?
Bilstein Coils 36281831
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I’ve never unbolted the sway bar.
No need
I don't see how the rear end could drop far enough without either unbolting the sway bar directly from the axle housings or form the end links. I just think it's easier to unbolt the bar directly.
Nice video. Did you get good alignment? I am assuming that the stock uca worked and enabled the alignment. Did you put the spacers on for the pan hard rod?
The owners of Underdog Motorsports have agreed to offer my Subscribers a 5% discount if you use the link below
If the discount doesn't show up when checking out, call and speak with Brett!
Underdog Motorsports (Brett and Shane)
480-269-2833
255 E Southern Ave Suite 7
Mesa, AZ 85210
The Suspension used in the video can be purchased here:
*Use Discount Code NEW5OFF for 5% off your order*
underdog-motorsports.myshopify.com