TUFFHEAD EVOLUTION SERIES 2 Blade Single Bevel TEST
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- NOTE: I sent the heads I tested back to the manufacturer and he had the hardness tested. Turns out they had a Rockwell of 48...and it was supposed to be 55. Glad to have discovered this error. He's having the hardening process changed for future productions. Once I get the new ones, I'll re-do the steel and hardness test.
On a related note, if you use a Stay Sharp Guide 35 degree single bevel sharpener--they hold up WAY better than the present 20 degree bevel--even with this softer steel.
Check out Stay Sharp's new Vid on sharpening this head.
• Tuffhead single bevel ...
TUFFHEAD has a great reputation for their traditional archery broadheads. Since Jason "Wojo" purchased the company in 2019, they now have crossed over in the compound bow broadhead market as well, with their new Evolution Series. This is the test of their 2 blade, single bevel, 200 gr head. I will be testing their 3 blade head as well, in the future.
This head is machined from S7 tool steel and coated as well to prevent corrosion. The blades are .070" thick and the bevel angle is 20 degrees.
I have a new test for edge sharpness and edge retention, using the Edge on Up Sharpness Tester. I test it out of the box and then again after Penetration Test 1, to see the edge retention. I also have a different test for flight--shooting one field point and two broadheads at 40 yds to see how well they group. And then I have a new overall Lusk Grade that I assign to each head--they receive anywhere between Zero and Ten Golden Arrows.
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Here is my sharpness scoring scale, using the Edge on Up Sharpness Testing Machine:
First of all, what are some common scores for other edges? Here are some examples:
A butter knife takes 2000 grams of pressure to break the co polymer wire.
A new high end cutlery edge takes approx 375 grams of pressure to break the wire.
A utility razor blade takes approx 200 grams to break the wire.
Based on the many broadheads I have tested, here is my scoring scale:
Out of the Box Sharpness:
0-200 gr: 10
201-300 gr 9
301-400 gr: 8
401-500 gr: 7
501-600 gr: 6
601-700 gr: 5
701-800 gr: 4
801-900 gr: 3
901-1000 gr: 2
1001-1100 gr: 1
1101+ gr: 0
Edge Retention: Sharpness difference after Penetration Test 1:
10 minus 1 point for every 50 grams of sharpness difference. For example, if the initial sharpness was 400 gr of pressure and the sharpness after Penetration Test 1 was 450, the head would receive a 9 for Edge Retention Score.
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John thank you so much for making these videos. I really do like how your methods are perfecting. Thanks for bringing back the concrete, its honestly the best part if I had to choose one. Keep it up John, thank you again.
Thank you so much!
I have been shooting this head for the past 3 months and it is by far the best head I have ever shot. It is a CRAZY good flier at long range.
Good to hear. Thank you Seth.
how were you able to get them 3 months ago? i pre ordered the day they released for pre sale and still haven't gotten mine yet
@@Wspatch1987 I was able to get an early release. But, I know lots of people from the original pre-sale have gotten theirs. We’re you in the second pre-sale when they opened it back up?
Seth Poston I ordered the day of the original release but they have said they are having supply issues so I have been patient waiting for them to show up
WE APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO FOR THE ARCHERY HUNTERS ... MUCH GRATITUDE & MAY GOD GUIDE & BLESS YOU IN ALL YOU DO 🙏!!!
Thanks brother!
Excellent review as always John!!Well gotta say, glad I’m not waiting for these to show up. I’ll stick to Iron will SB and bishops
Thanks Kurt.
that head will benefit from regrinding the cutting edge from 20 to 35 degrees.
Yep!
I appreciate them trying out the 20° angle. Do you think the sharpness will change if they were to go to 35°?
@@ThumbsMcThumb not at all. IT can still be made sharper than a razor. I show it in this video. th-cam.com/video/pkhWn10dfh0/w-d-xo.html
From the Tuffhead videos I watched on this head they were designed for Mule Deer and smaller animals. I like the idea of more rotation in the wound channel for hunting whitetail (like it was designed). Should hold up well on the deer I hunt too. Now do I want to buy some to test against my VPA single bevels??????
Thanks for the videos!
@@matt76cmich64 thats what ive been wondering. Ive had a hard time getting my VPA SB as sharp as the tuffhead SB.
Just bought two packs of annihilators because of your reviews. Keep up the awesome content. Shooting Solid Legends in 125 grain btw.
Nice. Good luck Nelson.
Been waiting for this review. Great review. Wished they had more weight options and a left bevel options.
Thank you!
Wojo doesn't like left bevel because it could unscrew theoretically
Great review....NOT IMPRESSED with the head !!!
Thanks Jerry. Hopefully it will keep "evolving."
Nice review from Tuffhead broadheads. I already have EVOLUTION THE TANK 200 GN. THREE BLADES and I waiting for EVOLUTION SINGLE BEVEL 300 GN. thanks and God bless you.🏹🏹
Thank you brother!
After all the hype around this head I'm a little disappointed. But like you said, we're not hunting steel plates and cinder blocks. Good review as always, thank you and keep em coming. Can't wait to see the review on their 300 grain head! 👍
Thank you. I am testing their 3 blade head as well. The bevel on these 2 blades is just too gradual, in my opinion, for durability.
Good review. Really looking forward to the 3 blade.
Thanks Jonathan.
Love the reviews... thanks for putting in the effort to post these excellent reviews. I wish it did a little better on the cinder block test, although I have always found concrete to be a little dry to the taste... thankfully the traditional version of these broadheads work admirably on hogs... which taste much better than that cinder block. All kidding aside, I do wish these had faired a little better against the concrete. Lifetime warranty is great though, and find a better company you won’t. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
Thank you!
Bones ain't concrete. Bones have an elasticity to them where concrete does not. Shooting rocks and concrete blocks and shit is fucking stupid and not a good test at all. The only test for a broadhead is an animal period. I have taken a dozen deer with these heads and passed through every time, including going through the scapula, and haven't had one go passed 60 yards yet
@@mikeguy9668 While your point is true, but sometimes broadheads hit stones after going through, and it would be nice to have a broadhead that can be reused after hitting stone.
@@georgewashington1621 if you hit rocks then all you gotta do is resharpen. I've done it many times.
This head is very similar to a Cutthroat but has the option for bleeder blades which is a plus imo. So it's easier to sharpen than a Iron Will like a Cutthroat is but still has the bleeders like the Iron Will. A comparison between the 3 would be awesome!
Thank you. Yes, they were supposed to send me some of the new ones with the bleeders, but then never did. I even followed up. Hopefully they will in 2023.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures curious to see the update for this! thank you!
I have a feeling this may be my new hog buster head. Thinking it will bust up bones mighty well. Impressed with the simple design and the angle of the cutting edge. 👍👍🐗
Thanks Tim.
Could you tell us what the iron will wide score would be on your new sharpness test please.
Unfortunately, I don't have any new ones to test at this point.
Theoretically, rotation would reduce the penetration since the rotational force would consume the forward inertia. But I'm pretty sure the rotational forces are so little that it has negligible impact on forward inertia.
Yep. Exactly.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I believe the rotation in combination with the bevel results in bone breaking properties... Compare it to a woodcleaving axe, when you give it a "flick" of the wrist blocks will split faster. I'm not sure though...
Im looking for a single bevel, but i dont like the threads on the iron will, dont like the deep six threads, , can you help me out and looking for 150 grain or 200 grain
Check out the Evolution 2 or the new Croc by Crimson Talon.
for 117$ for 3 broadheads made of s7 pretty disappointing. im pretty sure you’ve tested heads going for half that price that didnt tip curl or edge chatter like that. thorough test though as usual. great job brother
Well, yeah, but as I noted in the vid description, they had a problem with their hardening process. My testing revealed that. They’ve since corrected that problem.
For Eastern white tail... with there be a noticeable difference between this head with a 20 deg angle and let's say an Ironwill sb ar 32 or 35 deg?
Absolutely. The 32 or 35 will hold up better and rotate more effectively. Now, will that make a huge difference in a hunt--maybe or maybe not, but it does make a difference.
🥤🥱🍿Another great test, Ty!
Thank you!
I just ordered these from arrow junkie yesterday? Do you think these could still be faulty or has the problem been corrected?
The hardening was said to be fixed after I did this video. I sent them back the heads and they had them tested and found there was a problem in the hardening process. They switched companies and have reportedly fixed the problem. They are making a new model and are planning to send me some to test as soon as they come out.
i'm Glad you did this test. The Video from the manufacture show it to be ALOT tougher than your test. looks like tuffhead Over Promised - under delivered - not cool....
Yeah, the bevel is just too gradual, even with their steel. I'm hoping they can make it steeper. You can also use a Stay Sharp Guide 32 or 35 degree sharpener to make it that way yourself, and make it much stronger.
Love the video. I will not be buying these heads. Nice to see that not all s7 tool steels are created equal
Thank you. Very true. Structural integrity hinges on the type of steel and the geometry of the head. The 20 degree bevel and that pointed tip make it vulnerable on hard impacts, even if the S7 were of high quality.
Good day.
I am using the victory VAP 300 spine 150 scientific method 545 gr 20.4 % FOC
I am interested in trying the bishop FoC King arrow . I hunt Whitetail and moose and Elk.
I know you like them . But do you the cost difference is worth in switching.
Thank you for your time
That's a good question. They are excellent in terms of straightness, FOC, and durability on hard impacts, due to their solid construction and thin walls. I've also used Easton Hexx with a 75 gr brass insert and 5" of an aluminum shaft epoxied over the end as a footer--and they were very durable as well. Is it worth it the cost? That's up to each person's individual budget I suppose. They're better, no doubt...but "worth it" is very relative.
Man kind of eye opening to see a qad exodus burry into the cinder block and then that result
Well, like I said in the description--these heads were not hardened properly. I sent them back to Tuffhead and they tested them and found the error in the hardening process. So they changed that and now have the new, properly hardened head for sale.
Oh, I missed that part somehow
I just received mine. Not as sharp as I thought they’d be. Is. Bess scale 225 able to cut hair? My new ones won’t
Sorry to hear that. They've improved the hardening with that newer batch so hopefully they're much stronger.
Is there evidence at all to do with bevel on board head too helical direction. I mean can there be a positive helical to arrow spin and the opposite negative. Fighting direction of helical.
It can affect speed, slightly. But honestly, it's so minimal, I don't worry about it at all.
You told us to check out your score sheet for this broadhead. Where is that score sheet?
All of the score sheets are located at the end of the vid.
And chance on retest of these with proper hardness? Or perhaps I just didn’t see it
Yes. I spoke with them the other day. They're coming out with a new batch/design and I will be testing them as soon as they do.
Would be awesome to see a match up of those plus the VPA and the bishop single bevels once you get them. I’m torn between those 3 at the moment
Looked like the arrows did not fly true in the concrete test. You would expect damage if not a 90 degree impact.
That's the angle of the camera vs the angle of the arrow. Dead on impact. I sent the heads back to Tuffhead and they realized there was a flaw in their hardening process--these were much softer than they were supposed to be; the've since corrected it.
Awesome broadhead review, but did you actually purchase those arrow shafts? Those are the most ludicrously priced arrows I’ve ever seen in my life.
Well, I did not purchase them; I'm good friends with the owner. We all have different budgets; for those who can afford them, they're top tier.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures what is the shaft and component weight of your FOC king?
I considered them, but got kinda lost since they are very specialized compared to other arrows. If what I understand is right, their gpi is really low but they can handle heavy heads without their spine breaking down too badly. And you can add the inner rod to increase the spine again while maintaining weight forward if the spine is a little weak.
With the Bishop components, what would a 300 grain head on a 29” shaft look like FOC and weight wise?
"We don't hunt cinder blocks" i thought they just weren't in season yet. Downloaded that recipe for nothing. (Edit, want clarify, I agree that the concrete block test is a worthwhile test).
Oh funny. You're the first person to ever share that. Seriously, a zero penetration test is a good test of a heads durability and structural integrity. I've had heads get more damaged on a hog's hip bone than on a cinder block. And this test prompted the owner of the company to examine these heads and found they were the incorrect hardness. There was a mistake in the hardening process; they were 48 Rockwell, and not the 55 that they're supposed to be.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures I apologize, I was not trying to be disparaging, I was going for adding a twist to the joke with the recipe bit. I will write more creative jokes in future. I very much agree the cinder block test is useful. I wish you the best, and appreciate the work you do.
Also if it has a liftime warranty they should cover the point rollover.
Yep. And after this test, they checked their heads and found they were flawed in their hardening process. So they have fixed the problem and they should be good to go now.
Would love to see a single bevel shootout!
I have two of those on my channel. Just search Single Bevel Lusk and they should come up.
Bishop scientific method still the king, Cutthroat is the prince, and tuffhead is looking like the jester
That's funny. The new VPA is pretty impressive as well.
Until real testing is done on real animals by the Ashby foundation on Cape buffalo. Cutthroat doesn’t even make it to Africa Bc of the steep ferrel. Bishop underperformed for some reason, and tuffhead was the best penetrator beside the masaai, but since it’s stainless may experience more edge chatter. I’m glad animals don’t have cinderblocks in them haha
So, DOES IRON WILL have some COMPETITION?
Thanks for watching!
@@LuskArcheryAdventures Thanks for making these Videos it helps A lot of people out, And to answer my own question after the end result, No looks like IRON WILL are still the Leader in toughness.
I wish you wouldn't explain how you test the heads in every video. The regular watchers start getting bored of hearing the same thing. At least put a time line so the regulates can skip
Yeah, I hear ya. I keep debating whether to add them or not. I get a lot of new people that are watching for the first time with a certain vid, so I include it for that reason. But I will take it out soon. I figured the repeat watchers could just fast forward those 4 minutes.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures if you do add the testing explanation, just add a timeline in the description. I hate trying to figure out where to continue the video kind of ruins the experience.
Drop it...
New views won't notice as they won't know your old methods
@@r1sabotage you have alot to say and if you don't appreciate the time and effort he puts into these IMFORMATIONAL VIDEOS then that just shows how shallow minded u are and if u don't know how to fast forward & rewind maybe you should watch a video on that Einstein 😉
How do you think these compare to Cutthroats?
Well, you can compare the test results and see :)
Love your testing but the concrete needs to be swapped out with a shoulder bone. From a cow would be easier to compare for large game. Most of us want to know what these heads do with bone not a peice of man made material that we will never see in the backcountry.
If these were made for concrete the would blow through them all the time.
Thank you. I've used bones, but there are too many variables to provide comparable data points--density an vary, geometry, etc. I know it's more realistic, but it wold have very little value in comparing one head to another.
I think the Iron Will single bevel is a superior broadhead
Yeah, it's a great head. The new VPA single bevel test is coming soon as well.
Seems the heat treat is completly off. S7 should not deform like this at all.
Yeah, I was surprised as well. But that 20 degree bevel and the way they make the tip, makes it pretty thin.
I'm actually surprised how much it rolled from the cinder block! I might have had my expectations set too high for Tuffhead, but still a bit shocking.
Yeah, I was as well...which is why I did it twice.
We don't hunt cinder blocks. Love this guy but it's not a normal, nor fair test. Heads aren't made to do this nor should they be. Bones are nowhere near as dence as concrete....
@@michiganwoodsman2199 agree. I always find limited utility in the cinder block and steel plate "tests" but I do appreciate the fact that the results illustrate the durability of broadhead material and could be used to compare broadhead to broadhead, not necessarily a correlation to lethality.
Too bad you can't get them right now.
I’m trying to get the new model to test.
Little bit of edge chatter? Looks like it's bent to crap.
Well, the edge chattered, but the tip curled.
Iron will did so much better , the tips are crappy on these and so much for being reusable . Iron wills for the win .
Well, they did discover that their hardening process was flawed after I did this test. They've since fixed it, so I expect they're much more durable now.
Could you maybe start testing some other arrow to see if the anything else close to what you use 1 dozen of the arrows you use cost a new bow lmao
Thanks Dillan. The best arrow I found before the Bishop is the Easton Hexx, with a 75 gr brass insert. If you also epoxy a 5-7" of an aluminum shaft over the end of it, as a footer, it is incredibly strong.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures ok thank ill give those a try i shot a 30in 73lb hoyt rx1 turbo with 28 in arrow do you think the 330 or the 260s been shooting carbon express maxima sd 250 the had to much flex for me
Unfollowing because I have heard the test rundown in every video and it is getting old and redundant!
Do you not have a slide bare and the ability to fast forward?????
Sorry Jason. I get so many new viewers each time, that I included it for their sake. But I have planned to delete it soon. I did figure repeat watchers could just fast forward those 4 minutes.
@@innovativeoutdoorsman5067 yes but I don't have the patience to fast forward a bit only to find out I have to go further.....oops nope a little further.....I've already Lost intrest! TH-cam is not tv! I can pick and choose who and what I watch that suits me,I was just leaving feedback so he knows what viewers like and don't like.
@@LuskArcheryAdventures you do you! I was just letting you know what and why I left......
@@jasonsparks4601 Really? that impatient??? We are talking seconds. LOL First world problems.
Ummm
Like I explained in the description, after this test, they asked me to send them the heads and found that their hardening process had been flawed. They have since corrected the problem.