Can You Beat Final Fantasy 7 ONLY Using SUMMONS Challenge Run
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- Final fantasy 7 with only summons like chocobo, ifrit and shiva... can it be done? especially given the limitations to summons and the stat decreases which they also bring along... lets find out.
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The answer to your question is no you can't beat final fantasy 7 with just summons you stupid B I T C H.
Surprised ya didn't use mimic. Lol but I'm only into midgar
I just started a new playthrough of X-2, and I remembered how much fun it is. If you feel up to it, I thought an Item Only challenge would be fun. ...Well, it would be fun for us to watch. Probably won't be fun for you though.
Wait...the final fight Seph vs Cloud, does cloud even have materia on him? you must of omnislashed him! fail! lol
I learned a few things about the game from this and i thought i pretty much knew everything about it by now.
So fun fact, you actually totally can catch Chocobos in this challenge. They are extremely resistant to Instant Death, which makes using Odin basically auto-capture them as he kills all other enemies while leaving the Chocobo alive. That lets you get Knights of the Round, which can kill both weapons for sure. Cheers.
seriously? :( i really wish i knew this before hand, does the attack not make them instantly run away though?
I was unaware of their status resistance, but I can confirm that I've captured chocobo via Odin summon.
@@Primalliquid92The trigger for Chocobo capture probably takes priority in this scenario.
Correct Odin's instant kill misses the Chocobo's and won't cause them to run away BUT if playing the PS4 remaster you COULD use the Infinite HP/MP/Limit cheat and use Barrets Hammer Blow limit Every turn single target to kill all but the Chocobo and still capture them that way if they don't run away before you can hammer blow like 2 to 4 enemies at once.
that negates the challenge run@@veghesther3204
That menu color combination is a crime against humanity
21:57 "or because i'm so rich i can just buy GP"
I don't usually like doing 2nd comments, but this still hits me hard ro this day. The first time i tried this, it told me to "leave and come back 50 times". I didn't realise it meant leave THE SCREEN and come back, so like a plank, i hopped on the tram back and forth (and this was OG, no triple speed). IT TOOK BLOODY AGES playing the cutscenes over and over again!
haha exactly how i used to do it back in the old days aswell
Man I don’t know how you manage to do challenges like this without it taking ten years, massive respect
lots of content on the second monitor lol and the fact its my job means i can dedicate 12-15 hours a day to it
@@Primalliquid92can I ask why you don’t just speed up the game? That would save hundreds of hours
We're absolutely feasting on this channel recently! Cheers for so many great challenge runs, my favourite FF challenge channel. I got a bit worried a bit back with the channel update and the possible winding-down/focus shift, but glad to see so much great content. Inspired me to follow the tips and advice on one of the videos and do it myself.
I have always wondered how long each challenge takes to plan and execute, it would be a really interesting metric of challenge/grind/primal's patience. Some of the hints we've had in the past seeing glimpses of game clocks are always shocking lol
The fact that the answer isn't a straight up "no" is incredible. Great job as always!
7:42 - "it's impossible for me to do wutai with my rules."
Yuffie can only steal a set amount of materia (48 if you do it right away i think). I know for most people playing that would be most / all of their materia, but considering the amount of grinding you're doing you'll prob have a lot by then (and choco/mog is low on the priority list so you may get to keep all of them. 🤣
I think you can hold 250, and she steals 200. However, they always prioritise summons first, so if your materia has ANY deviance from Summon class materia you'll probably be stuck with it.
There's also a materia glitch you can get hide two materias in secret slots
Using the airship clip for quadra magic was a really interesting way to do more damage with the summons. Great run
Yes it was! figured i had to just to get the damage in before i was murdered
@@Primalliquid92quadra magic bahamut zero is a great way to go to the restroom or get a drink mid-fight! especially when paired with W-Summon!
You've been putting out content like crazy lately! Mad props.
alot were projects that id already started before and were in different states of completion pretty much out now though other than a couple xD
adore it!!!! dont hurt urself grinding out vids but loving them!!!!!
I gotta say Primalliquid, I have mad respect for you. I can't imagine having the level of patience and determination to do the videos you do. All I can say is I enjoy your content and I appreciate your efforts!!
"I...I wanna revive Aeris but it's a summons only challenge....gotta respect the challenge *lowers her into the water*"
may she rest in piece
@@Primalliquid92 she did become holey once she lost holy.
You mean "pieces". Sephy basically bisected her.
@@IUsedToFermentThingsDude... Harsh
"I'm not dead ye-blurglurg"
On the Lost Number fight, the reason he didn't transform is that Choco/Mog was stunning him. You probably used up all your other summons before knocking him down to the HP threshold for the transformation. I believe it is coded as a counter, and since stun causes counterattacks to be skipped, he never got a chance to do it. Saw Death_unites_us do this to beat Lost Number in a challenge Mod.
No bahamuts were harmed during the making of this video.
According to some research I've done real quick, taken from the internet so it may not be perfect: You can do Wutai.
What I do know is: Yuffie only steals a certain amount of Materia (I'm seeing 48 come up a few places), and there's a priority list.
Comparing a list I found (But cannot confirm the veracity of) to a list of materia shops: Fort Condor sells Throw or Deathblow once Meteor begins falling, either of which are above Odin, Titan, Ramuh, Ifrit, Shiva, and Chocobo Mog (Also Leviathan but you can't have that before Wutai).
So buy about 40 of those (Considering you'll already have a few of the other higher placed materias on the list by then) and you should be able to keep a good number of the lower end summons.
Edit: And then you did it. Oh well.
Great video as always, Primal 😎👍👍
Love Daph's little messages that pop up through the video. ❤
the synogy is great haha
Great vid as always ace.
Fantastic effort!!!
I no longer have the time to do crazy stuff like this, so I love living vicariously through your videos!
You should have a play around with yuffie warping, you can do some really cool stuff like skip over Aerith's death and grab all of the TotA loot, no mods required but it only works on the pc version. You can even use it to access the debug room which is next level confusing but great fun to play around in and see what happens.
Also, why arent you using mods to make it look beautiful? It's the remake I've always wanted 😅
Love your work dude, thanks for the content 🤙
For the amount of time taken to make this video I had to comment! This was amazing and very entertaining! I've always loved ff7 it was my 2nd rpg ever played next to legend of legaia. Keep up the amazing work!!
The missable Ramuh was the bane of my blind play-through.
Interesting. For the Lost Number thing it might be the stop/paralyse from choco/mog that stops it doing the form change? If it was a counter to damage below a certain HP then the counter would never go off. Need to try it with added effect and choco/mog on weapon sometime.
I'm pretty sure I've seen this 'trick' before with cross-slash as well.
Hey man, hope you're doing well. Just curious, is your platinum FF5PR walkthrough going to be anytime soon? I'm all caught up and don't want to buy it until you start so I can follow. Your guides helped me a lot, much appreciation of you. You seem like a good man, and your guides help. That said, you earned my subscription.
Loving these challenge videos, keep up the great work
I'm pretty sure that during the wutai part yuffie does only steal a set amount of materias. You could duplicate enough of them to overcome the limit 😉
Ok so the story behind motor ball. It’s not that he is weak to wind or anything, the way the game got coded, since it was also so buggy, means that specific encounter, and all back attack encounters are coded in wrong. It swaps out the character and enemy positions, so instead of you getting a true back attack, it’s gives you the boosts of preemptive attacks but attacking last, having your team in the back row makes it read as you are in the front row, taking more damage, where if you were initially in front row, it would lead to less damage. With preemptive attacks on your part, you actually do less damage to the enemy and they can do more to you, you just get the attack first. So what happened with motor ball is that you do 1.5-2x damage and since you were back rowed before, you are front row now.
Weirdest thing about this challange for me was that Kujata summon exists in ff7. I think I have cast it once in the all the runs I've done in this game and totally forgotten about it.
thyphoon is always the one i hear people forgetting about the most since its so late and utterly useless since its just a slightly stronger kujata
Havent done any reruns of og ff7 since 2009, but its mostly your fault, because you hit the sweet spot of between nostalgia and new cool things.
yeah agreed. I barely used Kujata and Typhoon, they were just ... uhh ... not needed (aka useless by the time you get them).
You'll be hearing that beebing sorta sound at the beginning of the Bahamat Zero animation in your head for weeks 😂
On lost number, I believe he doesn't split if he happens to be paralyzed/stopped when you hit the split threshold. I've definitely had him split off of a summon before
i didnt keep him perma stunned though so the split should happen once it wears off no?
@@Primalliquid92 depends on how it's flagged in the code. If it's a one time trigger, it might be completely bypassed if he's stunned at the wrong time, and knowing some of the other FF7 glitches....
It is just a guess though
@@omniunown @Primalliquid92 It's not a 1-time trigger. It's more similar to a counterattack. If every hit you do stuns the boss or occurs while the boss is already stunned, it will never change forms since it can't respond to your move. The LLNIIENACMO Challenge shows a great example of how this can be deliberately weaponized to prevent it from ever changing form.
Challenge video idea.
When FfX came out it was all the rage. I think I got bored during the walkthrough portions of the game and suspect I button mashed my way through the grid tutorials. Subsequently I didn't interact with the sphere grid until around Zanarkin when I couldn't beat a boss or something like that.
I asked my friend for help, and he both laughed and was impressed I had made it that far with zero sphere grid inputs.
I'm not sure how to implement this into a challenge, but it has rattled around my head as just that.
Zero sphere grid has been done but its really really really boring
Love to see you try the Necrosis MO challenge. Rules are magic only cant escape battles, but you can only heal at mandatory story heal points. So no inns, out of battle healing, no ethers, etc
hmm with magic only that would be pretty difficult i might look into it
@Primalliquid92 yeah its a nasty challenge dreamed up from the GameFaqs FF7 board. Pretty sure only one person is proven to have done it and it was brutal
Id have to look it up but Im sure there are more restrictionsin forgetting
My favorite game. I put this video on my "watch later" list for less than half a second and stopped doing what I was doing to watch it right away
Thank you for your efforts on this one. That was a lot of grind for the sake of entertainment and it does not go unnoticed. Legend.
Hats off again to another great challenge! You must have more hours in these games than the developers!
haha probably not at that point just yet
I do love these challenges - I’m sure this would be cake and super easy but I wonder if you could beat the game using only Enemy Skills
I bet with Trine, Beta, & Aqualung it would be quite easy, so not much challenge
You probably could, if the materia you smuggle has all the enemy skills. Between Laser and Matra Magic, you'll probably kill most things quite simply.
There's also a glitch to get KOTR with the Highwind. You can break the map by taking out the disc and putting Saga Frontiers in, so long as you don't get in a random battle. You can zoom around and the land is basically randomly generated. So if you can manage to get a spot of land to land on where KOTR island is and land on it, then put the FF7 disc back in and run around to trigger a fight, once you win the fight it'll reset the map to normal. Then you can go collect the materia and go back in the ship.
I did all kind of crazy breaks with the Saga Frontiers glitch back on the PS1. Also works on emulator.
thank you for condensing your +100 hour game time into only 36 minutes. Was awesome to see you struggle at a few points and then see you overcome them with new strats.
Also, that's alot of Bahamuts.
P.S would you ever ... EVER ... challenge yourself to beat a minimum battles FF7 run using KOTR for every battle? Purely just to see the final game time
Oh yeah, about Lost number, a strategy I always try is using Cross-Slash or Choco/Mog to stop it from the split. It works somehow, I dont know the mechanics
I think you can use odin to catch a chocobo as it should miss. But I cant remember if that actually makes it run away still or if it works. Odin wont ever hit the chocobo. If this were true KOTR mastered to help make master summon then equip hp absorb and mp absorb to master summon and any kotr allows you to spam win with it as the damage output will heal you fully.
I'd love to see a FF7R and/or FFT challenge run
Was looking forward to this
enjoy then :)
@@Primalliquid92 I did enjoy thoroughly, thank you for the amazing content and hard work! :D
Another great challenge video.
Have you seen what Dansg08 has been doing lately ?
Editing a series of videos for one challenge. It is a kind of content I have been enjoying a lot lately.
It could allow you to get more content from a challenge that took hundred of hours.
Anyway keep up the grindy work 😊
For the ruby fight, if you enter the fight with only 1 character alive, ie the one on 7777hp, he will put his hands in the ground allowing you to damage him, a w-summon with pheonix and hades would allow you to revive your party members and inflict status on ruby. Then w-summon hades with another summon. the limit might be his hp and you running out of summoning power or mp before he dies but if you can maybe you'll beat him.
I feel your pain for the grind though. I have a save with master materia for each character, all their stats maxed, every weapon / item available and other materia maxed multiple times to allow me to try various strategies on enemies. The grind took ages. Also was working on an FFX grind at maxing summon stats except luck and mp but I haven't been on that in a while.
Why!?
This was fun to watch!
Something that may have helped reduce the grind is Cloud’s Apocalypse weapon, which in addition to being a three-slot weapon with triple growth also gives +43 magic and +16 spirit, raising magic damage dealt significantly. As far as I know, this is the only weapon to boost magic, so it makes sense that it would have been overlooked.
Cloud's Apocalypse can only be accessed with a Gold Chocobo, or after you TRULY defeat Ultimate Weapon. Trident might have been a more realistic choice because at least it's readily available through normal main quest actions. Many have pointed out, however, that gaining a Gold Chocobo IS possible after all, since Odin can cause instant death to the non-chocobo enemies but almost always misses Chocobo. I wish I had known that sooner...
This was fantastic!
"Oh wait, wrong game. I forgot this is actually a full game."
Oooooh, sick burn xD
How about FFX-2, but only using Mascot? It is technically accessible the moment you gain access to the Airship and should provide an interesting challenge since a lot of what makes them good are locked behind unlocking skills in other classes, and thus would be locked in a Mascot only run.
I almost spit my tea out when i saw the small text of:
He never had one to begin with.
😂😂😂
Keep up the good work everyone!
18:41 That's just the party playing the challenge by the same rules you are.
"No items, no magic. Sorry Aerith"
YES I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO DO THIS
and now you have it!
@@Primalliquid92 You asked what challenge you should do next? FF5 with only Red Mages!
Is the damage so low because theres a set damage modifer to the summons? Itd be cool to know that! Just for any future runs/ideas :D love your stuffff
@Primalliquid92 you can get knights of the round with only the highwind if you land on a tiny edge near the grass.
You can actually take materia into wutai. She only steals a set amount of materia (can't recall how many exactly). Then the surplus remains in the inventory
Funny enough, I never did all the chocobo breeding and found a strat with Ruby that worked surprisingly well to get that chocobo
Prima - I figure I'll try Lost number out...
Me - lol, yeah right
Lost number doesn't split
Me - 🤯
You mentioned before Air Buster that you didn't use your 2nd Choco/Mog Materia because you wanted to give it to Aerith.
Are you not aware of the Arrange -> Exchange Materia menu? It let's you take Materia off of party members not present at the time. Super useful.
As for a new challenge idea, I'd love to watch you try out the Scavenger mod that me and 4-8 productions made.
And if it sounds too easy, do it without shopping. It also teaches you a lot of things due to its unique nature
yea i just completely forgot about the exchange bit given i normally dont really need to ever swap gear or materia in my usual runs and i might check the scavenger mod out on stream some time
I feel like you could’ve used some interesting material combinations to blow by these challenge ez. Just put 1 HP-MP Materia, Final Attack + Phoenix Materia and you should have enough MP and revives for all fights.
Also, if you needed to fight ruby weapon, kill off all but one member in your party. You’d need chocobo summon for paralysis, and mime along with 6 knights of the round.
Alternatively (this is just a theory) you could have 5 mime with 5 master summon materia and and W summon with master summon. Any of these would kill ruby, but you’d have to grind heavy for it.
You're nuts. I could never.
so off the top of my head, the glitch requires 2 saves and on a version such as steam where the game uses different types of save states. This doesnt work on ps1.
First save you must have more party members available such as phs showing 5 characters over the 3 you have in sector 7. Go into the materia menu and select customize to see all members who have materia equipped. Go to the last member of the team and only in the weapon slot you can place the first 2 materia you want to duplicate make sure you exit the screen without moving the curser so its still technically on the last member of the team list. Get into a battle and get a game over. this allows you to store some data without exiting the game which will wipe any leftover data.
Next instead of pulling up the same game bring up a different save where you have less party members. load up and go to the materia section and go to customize, if it worked you should still be on the previous last party member slot(which will look blank) you previously had and you can see the two materia you brought over and have them on this save.
This doesnt effect the previous game and only works on PC and later as data is stored differently and isnt wiped until you exit the game fully. This is off the top of my head and may have missed a step but this is the basic idea. I played a game with a mostly full enemy skill materia once and was super fun to play though
I surprised we didn't see more Fat Chocobo with all those Coco/Mog summons. Great video thanks!
its only like a 10% chance i think for fat choco
Another amazing challenge run!
Thank you 🤗
Can you beat FF7 with only Enemy Skill Materia?
Rules:
1. Get to 7th Heaven. You Smuggle in an Enemy Skill Materia with Matra Magic on it into the game. Begin run here.
2. Only Enemy Skills allowed.
3. No items allowed in battle.
hmmm
Its funny how your love for the summon animation is directly counter proportional to how many hours you've had to sit through them and recency of said hours.
The final battle is essentially grabbing a huge bag of popcorn and watching a space dragon beat up a crazed mutant half-alien for an hour. Best movie ever.
7:40 Technically, Wutai IS possible, if you have enough Summon materia. Yuffie only takes so many materia, and if you have more than that, you get to keep it for the quest.
Id love to eventually see a "top ten hardest Final Fantasy Challenges I've done" video
I love how you said midgar is just a tuturial
This game never stop to surprise and being the best game ever,AMAZING!!!
I used bahamut zero quadramagic spam to kill ruby weapon back in the day. It took... a very long time.
I’d love to see a “can you solo ff9 with traumatized dagger” challenge. Anything in her toolkit + items and abilities, just using her crappy disc 3 version that sometimes can’t concentrate. Idk if such a mod exists though.
Crazy 😊, you watched some hours of summon cinematics for sure 😅
This was dumb. I love it.
xD glad you enjoy my stupidity
I haven't even started the video yet, and it's been a while since I played the original FF7... aren't summons unskippable cutscenes? I remember waiting for hours while Knights of the Round finished back in the day haha.
correct you cant skip the animations
you know, it absolutely would have violated the spirit of the challenge, but with the "any materia is fine" rule, you could have abused counterattack and command counter to do damage without using battle commands...you know, actually, that could be a fun challenge in itself! NO commands issued in battle, ANY materia combo allowed.
Pheonix and that last hit materia i think its called that can get all your people returned works well too
What’s the background music that you use? It’s mega catchy
Have you done a E-skill run? I would say Manipulate is allowed just to teach the skills.
Actually if you gather up enough materia yuffie only takes a certain amount and you met get left with some Summons. also I know it might be implied but you did not say no glitches so you can smuggle materia into wutai. If you dont know how 4-8 productions does show this glitch in one of his videos
At the beginning of this video, for a second there I thought you were going to name Cloud “Twit” 🤪😅🤣
Oh god, level 44 in the beginning of the game. That must have been painful.
Yuffie can only steal a max of 48 materia. So you could in theory have enough materia for her to steal while still keeping some summons
Did you use the Black Chocobo save editor to do this?
I thought you say Motor Boat instead of Motor Ball... Imma call it that from now on.
Me: this will be easy with knights of the round
You: I’m not getting knights.
Me: Oh…
Can you try final fantasy 5 with no jobs. Love the videos man
honestly I didnt think this would be so hard, wooooooow
Like for the silliness, Comment for Daph.
Props for the torture required for this one
You're supposed to fight Ruby weapon with only 1 party member alive. This prevents his quicksand.
Did you see the getting extra ifrit and shiva glitches? Would help through mid game probably.
Not sure if anyone has said this yet but Odin can cature chocobos easily
I'm far too old to think naming Tifa "Boobs" is funny, but it's really cracking me up.
how bad would a limit break only run be? and I personally would not mind if you allow the use of healing items during the runs.
I only used spells and summons when i was younger lol
I say no because you don't even get your first summon until AFTER you leave Midgar and visit the chocobo farm.
I think you should do material smuggling 4-8 production has a good explanation of how to trigger it
nah as i said at the very start, its to broken being able to take any materia over
can you beat FFX with only skills (no magic, no overdrives, no summons, no attacks, no items outside of the specific use items for rikku)
I'm kind of surprised you didn’t smuggle a second summon with the glitch. Or could you? Is the limit the NPC's 1 armour slot? If so, crap.
Choco Mog is probably a good play, but i wonder at the merit of smuggling Ramuh instead, since most enemies in Midgar are weak to lightning. Is it castable?