Shelby GT500 vs Camaro ZL1 1LE Head To Head Review!
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Fair review. Hard to go wrong with either car. Comes down to whichever appearance you like better. The fact that these two cars are beating the times of European supercars is what should really get everyone excited.
Same. I'd go with the Camaro mainly because I'm more familiar and loyal to Chevy but honestly, The gt500 looks cooler, in smooth kinda way.
All in all, I know I'll get my money's worth out of the Camaro.
The look of the Camaro is insane, I’ve seen both and the Camaro is just insane looking
Thank you
I'm a mustang guy but the 1le is aggressive looking af I wanted to buy it on the spot..
@@NightsN2dr3ams that’s good
The interior looks cheap tho
I which to have money to buy from you
I have a Camaro, visibility at first is like shit can't see anything, but you just learn to use your mirrors again and then it's love.
I do like the exterior look of the camaro, mainly the front but it amazes me what Ford has done with the GT500 with the amount of power that engine puts out, the suspension & steering. My vote for the GT500 but I really like that camaro haha
The steering goes to the Camaro, cant lie. The suspension on the Camaro is so hard and stiff.
You compared the wrong cars/trim. If you compare the GT500 (no track package) to a Camaro, you compare it to the basic ZL1. The ZL1 1LE should be compared to the GT500 with the track package that costs over $100K considering the 1LE is the Camaro track package. Also, the lap times you quoted were for the GT500 with track package, not the base car. I would expect that the ZL1 1LE would beat a GT500 without the track package depending on the track. Also note that the track package on the GT500 costs $18,500. The 1LE track package costs $7,500. Also keep in mind the base ZL1 is *considerably* less expensive than the GT500.
Also if you do want to compare the ZL1 1LE to the base GT500 as you did in your review, consider the difference in lateral grip of the two cars by Car and Driver- the ZL1 1LE does 1.18 Gs vs the GT500 doing 0.99 Gs. So the ZL1 1LE has *WAY* more grip and will corner much faster. As I said, you were comparing the wrong two cars (or trim levels). Granted, you may have not had access to the perfect cars for the comparison.
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You mad?
@@dirtbikeryzz Not mad at all, just providing the facts. This is coming from a “Ford guy” too.
You literally ready my mind. I was thinking the exact same thing throughout the video. The "track package" plays a big role here.
He owns a gt500, why would he make a video and talk about how he made the wrong decision? Love both cars but the dealers are out of their minds on the Fords right now. Not paying 100k for a non track version. If they drop off like the c7 z06 did a few years ago you will be able to buy one in a few years for 60k
I’ve been really enjoying your videos lately. I’m so thankful that we finally got the old parker back. I was scared for second that you were too far gone. I’m so thankful you overcame your troubles. We all love you and appreciate the free entertainment you bless us with🙏🏻
What troubles? I never knew someting was going on.
@@Mabeylater293 Seemed like for a long while he was on smth😳………
@@Mabeylater293 Personal stuff he opened up about a while ago but that’s his business.
@@dennissmith7214 Yeah glad we have the Parker we all love back!
Do you want to date him???...it's about the car's not hitting on him
i am feeling the Camaro's look more that the Gt500 , thanks for a great review
Wtf are you talking about?
@@METALFACEDOOMXXXX He's says he likes the new camera's looks more than the mustangs. Better?
you’re either stupid, blind, or biased if you think the zl1 looks better than the gt500
ZL1 would be my choice. You can add HP to the ZL1 alot easier than putting a manual transmission in the GT500.
Didn't think about this. Very worth considering for someone who's torn, but I'm a ford guy and the gt500 takes my vote
The GT500 is just a work of ART
For 100k it better be a work of art lol
@@im_cursed_huh9926 100k where ? Here in Detroit these things start at $60k and top out at 80
@@samadagoat7769 please send me a link of a 60k gt500
@@im_cursed_huh9926 here in Detroit ford dealers are owned by ford no 3rd party to jack up msrp most Shelby’s here start off around 60-70k and top out around 110
@@im_cursed_huh9926 same for the Camaro considering it’s 90k😂
That ZL1 looks cool as hell.
gt500 looks cooler fucker
ZL1 1LE gets my vote!
For me it was the manual. I know it’s not as fast and the car is a little less practical but I just love it. The mustang is amazing too though. Regular zl1 is also a lot less in real life right now and I love the fro my end. I get the love of the mustang though absolutely
If you opt for the seats that are similar to the zl1 in the gt500, they are indeed heated and cooled. The recaros are an option. After having them (Recaros) in both the gt350 and 350r I chose the standard seats in the 500. If I end up needing track seats I'll buy some that fit me correctly and mount them lower than the oem recaros, which dont sit low enough for my taste and pinch the hips.
So the heated/cooled GT500 seats sit lower than the GT500 Recaro seats? I hate sitting up high. Man, I wish they offered the cooled seats in the CFTP.
@@robertmueller1406 no, what i was saying was I optioned for the standard heated and cooled seats which are also power. If I choose to put in a good track seat, I will mount it lower using their brackets. Likely will by an omp wrc xl. I've used that seat in the past and it fits my larger frame well and I can mount it low and where it's ideal for me.
Great comparison! Both cars definitely at the top of American muscle. A worthy competition with a somewhat surprise conclusion, for me at least.
Too bad the challenger and charger wasn't there.
Love the GT500.. but I love the ZL1 1LE a bit more. Might be biased. My ZL1 1LE is a track MONSTER. I feel incredibly confident in turns and stopping power, and that 6.2L supercharged V8 is magical!!!!
Manual or Auto?
@@awesomeness369 manual! It’s such a pleasure to drive!! Not a fan of the autos
@@TheEverydayLifeNetwork I'm big on a Manual ZL1, but an auto 1LE
@@awesomeness369 totally understand. If I could have both I would!!!
@@TheEverydayLifeNetwork absolutely
Miss these kinds of vids. Thanks for the upload!!
I love both; grab one while you can! V-8s won’t be around one day.
Yea, the Camaro is being Killed after 2023 🤣🤣🤣
Sad. But true
The Camaro is scheduled to end in 2024 likely returning as a 4 door EV
Should have bought in just 2 years ago if you haven’t already
@@DWH300 they were looking to make it mid engine too 🤣🤣🤣
Love that combo 🔥🔥
Dude it's been a minute glad to see you making videos again or maybe I haven't been seeing any of your videos being posted thank you TH-cam is playing tricks LOL 😆😆😆
Camaro looks neater, more handsome and elegant
Ordered a Zl1 1le last month. Pretty excited
Going to have to change your user name. 😜
Lucky you!!
@@GrimSRT8 I still have my twin turbo z28. Lol
@@shmoofgang now just hoping I get it lol.
@@turboboosted7169 what year? One of my first cars was a 1967 Firebird 400 with a hood tach. It’s the only f-body I’ve owned so far. I should be getting my ZL1 in 6 months or so (hopefully).
The 1Le looks more aggressive because of the front end but I still like the gt500 more
I like the zl1 more 😍😍😍
I'd like to know why he's comparing Apple's to oranges with a ZL1 1LE to a Carbon Handling GT500? Why not do a Carbon Track Pack???
@@awesomeness369 maybe he couldn’t get his hands on a carbon fiber one. Not to mention those care are very rare & limited
@@universalwraps8071 not really, isn't that his personal car tho?
@@awesomeness369 Maybe you should’ve paid to get the exact car you wanted featured here on his channel lol
The bone marrows seats literally sold me, I cannot live without that feature at all
The Zl1 looks more agressive and the whine just gets me, I owned a hellcat and thinking to move to either an M4 or ZL1
maybe in all black it may look SLIGHTLY more aggressive than the gt500 but it doesn’t look better overall
I’m not a fan boy of any. But I lean towards being a mustang guy. Guess what I bought 6apeed zl1 1le. Yea it’s that good
I feel you… I lean more towards a Camaro but those GT500s are beautiful
GT500 gets my vote.
Mine too, I can't see the attraction with the Camaro honestly, for a 'retro' muscle car, they took way too much 'retro' out in my opinion
nah zl1 for sure 😅
You could buy both these track monsters, plus a Corvette Z06 for less than the price of the Ferrari 488. I’m hoping to take delivery of my ZL1 1LE later this year.
I know I'm old because as much as I enjoyed the insightful commentary I was doing dashboard breaks every time I saw a car coming in the opposite direction or bicyclists on this narrow road. Haha!!
ZL1 for me 🎉
I feel like it should at least be mentioned that cooled seats are available as an option on the GT500. The way you said it makes it sound like the ZL1 1LE comes with them no matter what and that the GT500 simply cant get them. That’s simply not true though. It’s an option on both cars. Also, you can get electric seat on the GT500. Seem like the GT500 that you showed is about as base as it comes, whereas the ZL1 1LE that you have here seems to have more options.
It is not an option on the Camaro, it comes standard with the Recaro seats. Even the 1SS has them deactivated and people use kits to turn the feature on. The 1LE comes fully loaded, with all the options you can get. Some extras like the PDR or navigation are the only options.
can’t wait to pickup my zl1 1le ❤
You got transmission issues yet?
thanks for a great review an the compression is perfect , for me i the zL1 tops
I would like a video of your dad driving and giving his honest opinion on the GT 500. Would be an interesting watch given his long history with Ford cars.
I've driven both prefer the Camaro just felt more comfy driving
What do you think about the power of them both?
You really should have put the ZL1 (non 1le up against the GT. It wins all day and twice on Sunday.
I’m buying the zl1 1le next year and I suggest you get one too because next year is the final year of the gen 6 camaro
I prefer the GT500 by far. In fact, I own a ‘21, without the CFTP and with the cooled seats. The Camaro is impressive (I previously owned two separate C7 Z06’s so I know what that engine can do), and while I like how the exterior looks without that wing, I HATE sitting in it. My GT500 is my daily driver, and it even did well in the light snow we got twice this past winter. Sure, a manual GT500 would be awesome, but I do like the DCT.
Did you consider a GT350?
@@GrimSRT8 I did, but rejected it for several reasons: I don’t like the exhaust sound that engine produces (yes I know some folks love it and that’s awesome, but I’m not one of those folks). Also, I didn’t want a track focused car that winds to over 8000RPM. Lastly, while the GT350 looks great, my personal opinion is that the GT500 looks better. And besides, I used to own a ‘12 GT500, and I wanted to return to the model in the current design.
@@asdf51501 right on. 🤘
@@asdf51501 you weird
Lol…nice you prefer a slower car. Don’t like the view grandpa? Hard to turn your geriatric head…neck too stiff? Got a few vertebrae fused?
You should probably be driving a Prius. Plenty of visibility…seat massages those hemorrhoids…blood pressure pill monitor. Let’s you know when the next Gunsmoke airs.
The GT500 sounds absolutely UH MAY ZING! Wow!
I have years looking of yours videos you are a lucky person driving the best cars on the world
Really exciting to see such videos , an that Shelby oh ,i got to own one slap it with a VictorRacing active wing
Great review….I own the flipped version - CFTP with GT500 and ZL1 on the Camaro side!
You own both? That rules! 🤘
@@GrimSRT8 yes buddy- even started a channel :)
Love my 2021 ZL1 6 speed
Great video Dude! Thanks
Great video thanks
Great review and amazing comments. I do think that the base ZL1 should be the one testing against the GT500
Why is that?
@@reginaldbowls7180 Because it has a Magnaride suspension as well.
I bet the 1LE would be a touch better with the factory tires on it. 🤙
without a doubt should have did the track pack gt500 vs the 1le also
Nice to see someone actually capture exhaust noise on video...Soooo hard to do
the ZL1 1LE does come in a manual too.
Camaro takes it easily for me just off of interior alone. I love stuff like the ambient lighting and look of the screens and everything. Not to mention fords top end sound system is mid at best while the Chevy bose sound system is out of this world. Driving wise between the 2 it just comes down to personal preference really
if you think the BOSE is out of the world, check out a BMW or Audi, OMG those are insane (NOTE I own a Zl1\1LE) not a knock to the bose
@@jakeballard7999 sounds neat I’ll have to find someone who has that and listen! Honestly the new Corvette C8 was my first experience with the Bose and it just knocked the ford I had out of the water😂
If you are worried about sound systems I suggest looking aftermarket. Any stock sound system pales in comparison to aftermarket.
I own a ZL1 with the Bose and I completely disagree about it being out of this world. It’s very average. I had a RS3 with the B&O system, that thing was easily 3x better than the Camaro Bose
@@digitalgulby hmmm yeah I haven’t heard it in the ZL1, I’m just basing it off of my dads corvette c8 bose system I assume they’re the same. But compared to anything ford has it’s out of this world
What the hell are you doing running Michelin tires on that camaro? The stock goodyears are amazing and specifically made just for the zl1
Cup 2r 's
@@timothythomas1737 junk
Awesome video.
Great video was a pleasure 🤝
I would go better for a Camaro ZL1 (non 1LE)
Love my 21 ZL1 1LE, puts down 900whp thanks to Killer Performance in Kansas City!
Thats great! They are actually down the road from me.........I looked into them, but I chose to send my Shelby to Palm Beach Dyno in Florida! I am going all out with their CX1100R package which dynos out around 1070 to the rear.............I had to do it cause my son has a McLaren 765 LT and its an absolute beast.
@@brianwilson7295 heck yea, that Shelby is going to be crazy quick!
@@wiltroutw Any 1/4 mile times ?
@@jostrander71 not yet. Unfortunately no drag straps close by. Plan on going to Mo-Kan drag in October.
You did a nice job. Gave both cars a fair shake
How u not gonna the ZL1 1LE to the Gt500 Carbon Fiber Track Pack ? Which is like the 1LE to the Cam ?
Even though it’s a minimal difference, I’m surprised the 1LE didn’t do a rear seat delete
it's for insurance purposes
Just remove it yourself.
Both cars are sweet but I ordered a 2023 rapid blue ZL1 non 1LE. I want the 6 speed manual and I don't plan to track the car. Just something for nice weather days.
Do you expect to get an allocation? I’d be nervous you might not get your car before they end production. I’m about a year out from buying my ZL1, and I’m thinking used will be the only option at that point. Good call on Rapid Blue, my Focus RS was a similar color. 👍
@@GrimSRT8 I talked to my dealership and they said they have allocations for 2023 Camaros. I hope they can get ZL1s. They got a few 2022 ZL1s. I already sold my 2022 1SS 1LE to make way for the ZL1. There's speculation that 2023 or 2024 will be the last year for the 6th gen Camaro.
Heck yea I love rapid blue. My 2017 Mustang GT was grabber blue, same as your Focus RS.
@@Josh_GT500 right on, I hope it all works out. The ZL1 is going to be a ton of fun for you!
@@GrimSRT8 Thanks hope you are able to get yours too! I'd try to order one about 6 months before you'd be ready to take delivery they may be taking orders still.
@@Josh_GT500 right on. 👍
I wish the gt500 in this video since it’s the handling package would come with mustang gt seats for the AC and heat and the option for recaros and rear seat delete
What is that red hook or latch on front of the Camaro grill used for
Nurburgring run on ZL1 1LE is 7:16. Gt500 only did 8:04, but the driver was not approved by Shelby.
That Shelby wasn’t even a track package and put it to you this was the previous gen Gt500 did a 7.39 on the Nurburgring and that’s with a manual and solid rear axle plus the gt500 has been faster than the camaro at VIR, Willow springs, laguna seca it’s over a 1 second a lap faster
Yeah, I wouldn’t compare those numbers when you don’t have a factory driver going 10/10 in the GT500. Go use Lightning Lap numbers if you want something closer to “real world” lap times. Granted, Lightning Lap used the GT500 with the $18,500 track package to beat the ZL1 1LE by a little.
@@GrimSRT81:55 to 1:59 is not a “little”
@@The-fs5wn Check again, the GT500 does 2:44.6 vs ZL1 1LE in 2:45.0 and 0.40 seconds is close by my estimation.
@@The-fs5wn also, what lap times are you quoting? The fastest car in Lightning Lap history is 2:34.9. So I’m not sure where you are getting sub-2 minute lap times.
First of all, regular GT500 should be compared to a regular ZL1 (that has the same magnetic ride suspension as the GT500 so it’s more comfortable than the racing suspension in the 1LE ZL1). Visibility isn’t that much worse in the Camaro and you can get used to it. I agree the interior of the Camaro looks more modern but the Mustang has the big digital gauge cluster. Only Camaro offers HUD (standard on ZL1 just like the heated and cooled Recaro seats, unlike Mustang). The Mustang sounds much better, at least inside the car, with stock exhaust. I’ve had my ZL1 for over 2 years, and when I drove the GT500 for a day, the handling didn’t feel as good as the ZL1 but not far behind, so I disagree with you on GT500 feeling better than ZL1. And of course the extra power of the GT500 is awesome. Both are awesome cars!
Agreed fellow ZL1 owner
I think this reaction video was really hurt by the specific ZL1 in this test. The Multimatic spool valve shocks and tire combo were not the best choice for the very tight and bouncy road he used. If he was on a much faster and smooth road with corners the ZL1 1LE would destroy the GT500 in corners. The grip difference between the ZL1 1LE and the base GT500 is massive. I’m also not sure if the Camaro in this test had the rear view mirror camera which I loved when I went out in a ZL1 1LE. I think only 2019 and newer cars have it? I honestly just can’t see spending the extra money on the GT500 over the ZL1. Yes the GT500 is slightly quicker (given similar options), but the GT500 is also $15-25K more depending on if you want a track pack car or not. If I wanted a Mustang it would be a used GT350 with an extended warranty, not the GT500.
@@GrimSRT8 agreed. It was a poorly done comparison. He probably only had those options. I love my ZL1 and have driven a GT500.
Have you noticed the lag difference in the take off?
@@AnkhsZL1 can you clarify what you are asking about lag? Also, I have not driven a GT500, the closest thing I’ve driven is a GT350. If I was going to buy a Mustang it would be a pre-owned GT350 with an extended warranty, not a GT500.
Can’t get a feel for a cars actual capabilities driving on the street especially one day. Sounds pretty biased to me
Need more collabs with rezvlogs
I have a 2018!..I like this video ✊
A track focused car (ZL1 1LE) vs a Non track focused car (GT500 HANDLING package) really wish you would have got the track pack GT500 or just a standard ZL1 for the comparison.
Cope. 650 hp and much cheaper and still better
yeah tough choice but it all comes down to preference, for me personally the camaro takes the w bcos of the wing and the front canards they look alot like smth ive seen from victorracing and ik they help massively with speed and control
Your going with it because of something g can fucking add Amy time
Awesome video
Straight line which is not what either of these cars we're made for the gt500 around the track gotta go with the ZL1
lets hope chevy puts in that corvette ZR1 775HP engine in the last edition camaro
GM has already said the LT5 will never go in the camaro
I’d much rather have the flat plane crank engine out of the Z06, but neither are going to happen.
The Camaro looks cooler to me. Hard to pick though because the gt500 is a faster and louder sounding car.. if chevy had actually been smart and dropped the lt5 in it it would be a slam dunk to go with the zl1
Yeah very try but I think if they put an LT5, it would a lot more expensive. Probably just as much if not more than the GT500, since the LT5 is used in Corvettes if I’m not mistaken
@@aristokatz452 Yes the lt5 is from the corvette zr1. But I don't think it would be that much more expensive. They're sales are down alot and this would drive the sales up tremendously which would make up for it not being super more expensive. But even if it is the same price or a little bit more than the gt500 that would be okay because it would blow it out the water in performance.
I mean from what we hear they're not continuing the camaro so why not send it off with on last hurray. I mean the lt4 and lt5 are super similar almost like this was the plan so R&D for sliding it into the zl1 would be almost non exist. I'm just surprised they haven't done it, its almost a no brainer.
@@killakam8738 they probably wouldn’t put the LT5 in since they wouldn’t give it more power than their supercar, the new Z06 (670 hp)
@@Marcello2005 It's probably why they haven't but it's a pathetic cop out if you ask me. They allowed the 2017 zl1 to have more than the 2013 zr1. Especially considering everything we're hearing leans towards them not making any new models for the camaro. At first they didn't do it because the Corvette was always meant to be the fastest and what made it undoubtedly faster was it always atleast had more hp. But even if the Zl1 had 750 and the zo6 had 670 the c8 would dog walk the ZL1 regardless. But since they might be discontinuing it they're probably waiting until it's final year to drop the lt5 in it and make it a one year model like the 2019 zl1.
@@killakam8738 well the reason why the 2017 ZL1 had more horsepower than the 2013 ZR1 was because the C6 wasn’t the current corvette generation, which is why the ZL1 had the same amount of power as the C7 Z06 and less than the C7 ZR1. I do agree tho, but I think it’s just about chevys pride and reputation. Since most people who buy sports and super cars are mainly just wealthy people who know nothing about cars, they’ll probably think more HP equals faster. With that mindset, why pay for the supercar with less horsepower? (even if it’s faster) I know it sucks and it’s a missed opportunity, but it’s probably just because of consumers
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the one gripe i have with gt500 is the sideskirts picks up rocks that ding your doors. get ppf on doors!
Get the Jaeger brothers splash guards and jot foam inserts. Works like a charm
i feel that new mustang s650 is going to have one INSANE interior upgrade
Other than two iPads on the dash not really😕
Honestly the newer Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger are all great modern day muscle cars!!!
They all got a bit better over the last 5-7 years. I'm a Chevy guy so I'll always root for the Camaro but it's competitors look a lot better nowadays. However, the Challenger and Rustang still look too fat for me 🤣
thank you.... i love your channel.... i think the gt500 is better.. but i have that black camaro.. not that one.. but one in manual 6 speed.. and for that driving.. would of made you sway that opinion.. nothing like heading into an uphill and that sweet shift into 2nd
The 0-60 times on the GT500 varies depending on how it’s optioned. Ford performance states the fastest version of the 2020+ GT500 0-60 is the base model without the handling package. The fastest version of the GT500 on a track is the CFTP version.
I give all the glory to God ive had a GT500 now ive got a ZL1 both amazing cars.. zl1 has better interior for sure
i disagree about the interior. The zl1 has no visibility, a weird steering wheel, and still has regular non digital tachometers. The gt500 has a much better styled interior with a more driver focused steering wheel and a nicely laid out center console with 10x better looking seats
@@ajp3168 thats why i love the camaros interior because its hard to see out of it makes it "fun" its like a F16 jet fighter lol
@@ajp3168 dissagre, i have owned 2020 gt500 and now a zl1 1le. Reason i switched is because of the interior and front end. Zl1 interior way better. For some reason i like the sounds of the 6.2 better.
@@ajp3168 zl1 1le comes with with rear view camera and side blind spot sensors so idk why people always talk about or bash something they dont even own. 🤡😂 which one do you currently own?
@@villegas394 currently niether but i have an order in for a zl1 1le. Cant wait.
I’m just gonna say it the Camaro looks so much cooler
Agree
Indeed
The c8 z06 Corvette already out
@@marcojordan7430 nah it’s been revealed and tested but it hasn’t been sold into production yet
Let me hit that if it's weed your smoking! 😄
@vehiclevirgins do you think if the Camaro had another 100hp would it beat the gt 500 on the track , cause it is slower now but it’s also 100 plus go down so basically im asking if both cars had same hp do you think the Zl1 would beat the gt 500 on track
It's mainly up to the track. The ZL1 handles corners better than the GT500. So if it has bends and corners galore than the Camaro will beat the GT500. That's not saying the GT500 is horrible in corners. It's just the ZL1 handles them better. Put long straights and less corners the GT500 will beat the ZL1.
But to answer your question, adding 100 more hp to the Camaro while maintaining its weight and suspension advantage will undoubtedly make it the quicker car. Not only is it going to maintain corner dominance. It will close the gap on straights. It still won't be as quick as the GT500 in the straights due to engine design and the DCT. DOHC's tend to breath better than pushrods when exceeding 100+ mph. But it will be closer than it would be with the LT4.
Has everyone forgotten about the c7 z06? Ive seen it go faster than that 1le on a lot of tracks
Need the gt500 cftp and camaro zl1 1le to be fair
Too bad they are automatic. I have the 21 SS 1LE with a 6 speed and it is a blast. Automatic may be a little quicker, but a lot more boring..
DCT shifts faster than the average eye blink. It also holds the power as it shifts. It also predicts which gear is needed both through the turn and exiting as well. Manuals are more engaging but this DCT ain't no regular automatic transmission.
I have the 2020 LT1 with the 6 speed tr6060 manual like you. I have my car down an extra 200lbs in weight and it was already the lightest of the v8 camaro models. Mother fukker vrooms!!! What tires you running on your camaro and do you track it at all?
you cant be more WRONG
No carbon fiber Package for the gt500 was available of the video ?
Just got mine a month ago has still 50miles on it at the shop get triple turbos!
The Camaro is a fantastic car! No idea why it doesn't sell better.
I didn’t really know too much about the zl1 until after I bought both my gt500 and hellcat RE…I think it has something to do with marketing.
My personal opinion, since camaro prices are basically the same as used corvette prices. Why jump into a camaro when you can get a corvette. Once camaros got over 50k it doesn't make sense to get one. Where's the mustang doesn't really have any in house competition besides the ford gt and that goes for 3-500k. So ford can get away with charging more for the mustang. Rumors of ford bringing back a 2 seater named the thunderbird and going after corvettes are out there. And if so the mustang will have to get priced accordingly or it's sales will get hurt.
If you had to choose between Chevy 'sports cars' why would you choose the butt ugly Camaro over the gorgeous C8 Corvette, is there really a choice? Chevy screwed themselves on that one.
Because they absolutely suck for everything that isn’t a track drive.
Looks to me you enjoyed the ZL1/1LE more, you drove it longer and laughed way more, that speaks volumes !
But he would choose the gt500 over the slowmaro lol
@@davidwade7681 ZL1’s out gun the mustank with its infamous short lifespan. Remove GM’s conservative tune and the ZL1 will perform faithfully. Since 2019 the GT’s 10R and tune finally made them quick, but now breakdown that much faster.
Camaro FTW hands down
I can def tell your preference with the Camaro but both are truly amazing
If you're going to do a comparison between a ZL1 1LE and a Shelby GT500, wouldn't it be a good idea to have GT500 with the Carbon Fiber track package to do a proper review of the 2 going thru all those turns. Other then that, a great review of both cars.
100% correct. This was a mis-matched comparison. Though I’d say the better comparison on the street would be the basic ZL1 and the GT500 in the test. The ZL1 1LE is a laser focused car, and it’s not a fit for 99.9% of buyers. It really needs to be in a track test.
I mean in that aspect it's a 75-80k car vs a 120k
@@GrimSRT8 agree with you on that. Both cars have to be the base cars, not one of them being the track car and the other one not.
@@zachwilson7061 exactly the GT500 is in Z06 C8 price as is
Car and Driver did that. The GT500 demolished the ZL1 in every aspect, but they gave the win to the ZL1 for being much cheaper. 4 second difference on a 2 minute course is huge, and on a drag strip, over half a second separates them. The transmission on the GT500 is also the best they had ever tested, including the PDK, and it put down a quarter mile time on par with a Model S P100D. 10.7 seconds vs 11.4, and they described the Predator motor as having power delivery on par with an EV.
When I started looking into a retirement fun car, the Camaro was on my short list until I drove one. Just couldn’t get over the lack of visibility.
There are a few great choices today. I went with the GT350 and haven’t looked back, tons of fun!
I used to fan boy Mustangs but after becoming a Valet and driving a Camaro, I just had to change my mind. Keep in mind, I used to LAUGH when I saw Chevy. Now I laugh at the Mustang interior and overall lack of quality and I can't believe that the Camaro doesn't sell that well despite being the best performer in its category.
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I here you man. Fords thought process, or lack there of about their interior is laughable in the Mustang line.
I’ve put plenty of thought into having my interior completely re done. The problem is, every time I drive my GT350 I forget about the interior, it’s plenty comfortable. I also understand where the production money went in this car….not the interior.
@@user-qm9oo2fd2o I still enjoy the V8 engines from Ford in the Mustang, and some interior options like the gauge cluster and the Recaros are amazing, main issue is honestly just the plastics they used that cheapen everything up.
Did you try a Camaro with the rear view mirror camera? That thing is *slick*!
Good call on the GT350 as long as you don’t have engine issues. Did you get one with the Predator block and hopefully an extended warranty? I *really* wanted a GT350, but I’m going to get the ZL1 now because I’m unhappy with how Ford is dealing with the Voodoo issues and other issues with their performance cars. I think I’d just be constantly worried with the GT350 and be checking my oil levels constantly and that just takes a lot of the fun out of it. I went through the head gasket issues on my Focus RS.
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Didn’t know about the rear view camera. My concern was the blind spots. Do the cameras cover those?
I have a 19 GT350 so it’s the Gen II motor (Predator block). Mine uses very little oil, about 1 1/2 quarts between changes at 5,000 miles.
The car has been 100% for the last 10,000 miles.
From all the research I did before buying, the whole motor thing has been a little exaggerated. Do they blow? Yes they do. Check out the Porsche forms. Believe me, when manufacturers push the envelope, things are going to happen.
I have another year left on my warranty. Yes I plan to extend it.
At 03:52 it is reported the GT500 does not have cooled seats. If a person has a GT500 with the Recaro seats, that is correct. But, for folks (like me) who wanted heated and cooled seats, the seats that come in the GT500 without the Recaro option are well made, very comfortable, and they are both heated and cooled. They are also power adjustable, whereas the Recaros are manually adjusted. I went to the Ford/Shelby Track Attack event in Charlotte Motor Speedway. The GT500s there were non-CFTP, but had the optional Recaro seats. So, I got to see how they felt compared to our 2020 GT500 non-CFTP factory seats. The recaro seats were nice, but the non-Recaro seats are more comfortable, and hug me just fine - plus offer cooling or heating.
Not to get too far ahead of myself, or this fine video (which ROCKS), the only reason our 1969 Shelby GT500 is more favored than the 2020 GT500 is for nostalgic purposes. I lusted for a 1969 GT500 for years, and finally acquired a really nice one with Candyapple Red exterior and factory A/C. It is an awesome cruising machine, with lots of 428CJ growl. The 2020 clearly handles better, and is far faster than an already plenty fast 1969 variant. If I had never found our 1969 GT500, this 2020 GT500 would be my all time favorite car I have ever driven, much less owned. Everything legendary you have heard about it is true.
Gotta get the track package on the Shelby tho
As a casual track guy, the fuel limitations of the GT500 and no manual is a non-starter. on the track the trans doesn’t bother me but between track days the manual trans is just so much more fun. Not against the GT500, just not for me.
What fuel limitations? They both guzzle gas at a horrendous rate.
I need to look into the GT500 suspension. I'm curious how they achieved such a great handling car that puts it above a ZL1/1LE.
@cali gdp dam did you pull that out of your ass? The gt500 weighs 4220 and the Cftp weighs around 4100
@cali gdp the gt500 heavier than that zl1 1lE
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The 6th gen Camaro has been the lighter car since 2016. The ZL1 1LE is about 60 lbs heavier than the GT350. The convertible ZL1 is still lighter than the GT500 w/o the CFTP. All variations of the GT500 is above 4000 lbs. Whereas the ZL1 convertible is the only variation above 4000 lbs. Looking at track package to track package. The ZL1 1LE is 200 lbs lighter than the GT500 CFTP. If Chevy took it to the extreme as Ford did. Where they added CF wheels and removed the back seat air conditioning and such. The Camaro could be lighter than the GT350 non R.
But to answer the question on handling. The ZL1 1LE is best on track. The suspension is firm, where it's home is the track. You'll feel every bump and crack that's on the road with the ZL1 1LE. The ZL1 non-1LE has a similar suspension setup as the GT500, just tuned differently. So back roads and docile driving is for the ZL1, track is for the ZL1 1LE.
problem if you get the gt500 with the track package(for daily use.) you get carbon fiber wheels, and if you scrape those. thats a pretty penny.
why you didn’t get the 500 Track Edition
This was amazing, Parker! MI here! Love both cars, a little bias for the Camaro, just remember Chevy doesn't give it all bc of the Vette ;)
This is one of the rare cases where the Camaro drives better than the Vette- if you’re comparing the ZL1 and C7Z.
If you want a manual, go for the Shelby GT350! ;)
But…why?
GT350 over the zl1 1le?? I think all car fans would choose the zl1
@@killakam8738 not necessarily over the 1le, just as a manual modern Mustang (over the GT500). I am a car fan for about 40 years, so if you want my personal opinion regarding modern muscle cars: I'd take the Challenger as a grand tourer and for the track a GT350 (I'm not saying the 1LE is bad)
@@killakam8738 actually there's a conversation to be had there. they're priced similarly and they weight closer to one another as well. The ZL1 1LE and GT350 do better on tracks with less straights to maximize power (obviously the GT500 LOVES straights 760HP) so yeah they're actually pretty comparable.
@@Dragonlord826 I wasn't talking about comparability, I know they're comparable. I meant outside of clear ford and chevy fans 9 out of 10 would choose the zl1 1le over the gt350. I'm a challenger fan so but I'd take the zl1 1le no hesitation.
Im sorry but to do a track comparison video, you should do it at the track lol
I love the gt500 but I want a big cam manual zl1 1le