I noticed a few comments mentioning the order of testing, and you're 100% correct. The eBay motherboard + CPU _should_ have been tested separately... independent of the viewer's rig. Hindsight is 20/20 and it was a clear blunder on my part. Even had to go back and watch that part myself to really grasp what happened chronologically (this was filmed several weeks ago). Also, bear in mind that not everything is filmed, let alone included in the final cuts of these videos. Many have mentioned things like coolers, drives, etc. All that said, I _highly_ doubt the CPUs from the viewer's rig shorted the eBay motherboard. Even if they were fried by the original motherboard, the odds that they, in turn, were capable of frying another mainboard are *extremely* small. Either way, the result would have been the same, I'm afraid. Even if the eBay platform worked at the onset, both would have eventually met their demise in the viewer's rig because I had every intention of slotting in his 4930K as it was the superior chip.
Maybe something caused a short in the case which fried the PCI-E slots? I could very well be wrong but the PC's owner didn't seem to be taking care of the system that well so I wouldn't be surprised if there was debris or something which caused a short somewhere on the board(s) just my two cents (don't sue me jay please)
Buildzoid did a video on testing questionable CPUs. According to that video a bad CPU can kill a motherboard. IIRC, a bad CPU can pull too much voltage, uneven voltage, or short out of the VRMs which can cause certain VRMs to fry. Pull off the VRM heatsinks and check the VRMs and Inductors. I have a soft spot for the x79 platform because I got a solid 10 years out of my old Rampage IV Extreme.... before I retired it. Upgraded from the 3930k to the 4930k.... then to the E5-1680 v2. Back in 2016 I ran into an unusually random issue with an old P67 WS Revolution board and a 2600k. The Graphics card wouldn't work in any PCI-E x16 slot I tried, but graphics would work if I used one of those PCI-E x1 Risers the miners use in a PCI-E x1 slot. I even tried testing with a 2500k and a Sandy Bridge Pentium g645. Several months later I came across an i7-3770 non-K and I put it in that P67 WS Revolution system and the PCI-E x16 slots worked.... all of them. Then I tried with a 3570 non-k and a 3770k and the slots worked. The board wouldn't work correctly with a Sandy Bridge CPU but it worked fine with an Ivy Bridge CPU.
You'll never know now :) As you said,you should have tested the combo before installing it and with a known working supply. Everybody can make mistakes like this once in a while,even on YT. My best guess something from the PC fried the new mainboard too.
I figured it out, if you go to 17:45 you can see there's a motherboard standoff in the 1st and 3rd PCI-E slot. There should only be 1. The 3rd is used for m-atx boards. This shorted the first board, and since you immediately threw in the new board without testing out of case the same standoff shorted the second board.
@@parkerjorgensen8330 Yeah, I'm surprised it never got upvoted. I posted that comment within a week after this video was uploaded. He went crazy saying he changed every single variable, multiple cpus, gpus, motherboards, power supplys, RAM kits, but the variable he never accounted for was the case. You always have to take that into account. I've done my fair share of PC diagnostics over the years, and I've found when a PC has issues the first thing you should assume is just that it was built wrong in some way. So I take it out, test everything outside of the case and see what happens. It's definitely an experience thing, if he's never seen this before I can get how it would never even cross his mind, but I hope he saw the comment at some point and learned from it because motherboard standoffs in the correct spot are the very first thing you should check when building a PC.
My goodness you are a saint! About half way through this I would have just given up and pulled out a $68 i3 10100F, $70 B560 motherboard, and a $45 kit of 2x8GB DDR4 3200 CL16 and called it a day! Great video and series as always, and you go above and beyond the call of duty.
Thinking about giving a sub to your channel, been thrown my way by the algorithm several times already, nice suggestion $150 and call it a day and even way way modern than the original platform.
The series is much more genuine if there's the possibility of a Flop. If everything were a fix, it wouldn't be as interesting to watch! So wouldn't feel bad, you fix damn near all of them and a Flop just makes the series real.
Imagine being the owner of the computer and being made aware of just how dirty the computer is and just how Greg feels about it as it was shared on video. 🥴
It was dirty tho. And that’s his honest opinion. If you know you’re dropping you PC off to a TH-camr Repair person who is gonna make content in exchange for a free repair…….clean the PC beforehand.
I fixed a 1 year old laptop (Windows 11) that was infected with ransomware from a work colleague as a favour. I did not mind as it was a simple reinstall and no sensitive data. What really annoyed me was the state of the laptop. No joke, it had what looked like pubic hair on it and was covered in stains of god only knows what. I had to deep clean it with rubber gloves on before I could even touch it. I told him that I was ready to hand it back to him and refuse to fix it. Some people are disgusting.
Man that PC looks like a nightmare. Mad respect for you trying as hard as you did man. My opinion dude should just upgrade his platform. Excited to see what you do in S3 and beyond
Honestly if it's that old, it's definitely time to upgrade to a new system. If the Ram, GPU, PSU, Hard drive, etc are still good then it shouldn't be that expensive to just buy a new motherboard and CPU combo along with a new CPU fan lol.
Yeah, since why would you even run rickety old hardware like that anyway? I understand using something to its fullest but if it's that old and it breaks, just replace it as a consumer. You spent it well (as in the owner of the system). A 4th gen i7 is not worth saving
@@paulburkey2 I never claimed to be? I was just simply throwing that out there. And to be honest building an up to date rig wouldn’t be a bad idea unless the games he plays doesn’t require new new parts.
@@novalynn7906 He didn't say that you were familiar, he literally said "that's because you're not familiar", he made an assumption that was likely correct given your initial comment and was right, he didn't judge or anything, he just gave useful information, there is no reason for you to take that personally. Now, what the owner can and/or want to do with said system is up to them, @Paul_Burley just mentioned a choice most do not know about.
I know for me I find it more rewarding to take something old and discarded and giving it new life it's kind of like what hot rodders do with old cars sure you can go buy a brand new Porsche 911 but to take a 65 Nova and blow the doors off that Porsche is a lot more rewarding granted old PC hardware is not for everyone because it takes a lot of like what we saw in the video troubleshooting and tinkering to get it all to work just right but when you do it's very rewarding even when you're only able to come close to the same performance
What I've learned is, if there's a problem, treat it like debugging Skyrim mods! Disconnect everything until you get issues! In one case a guys NVME SSD caused a system to not POST
That PSU intermittently failing on two rails should have made you toss it directly into the e-waste. Edit: A bad PSU can fry parts left and right that's the first part you should have swapped. Test the PSU first in future, and if it fails at anything don't try to save it do not use it on replacement parts cause it could damage the new parts as well.
Thats true. That happen to me. My rig shut down. Replaced the board, cpu and ram, still won't turn on, Found out the cpu and board got wasted. Had to buy another board and cpu,,, and A NEW PSU.
Some of these older boards do the same thing with the 5 beeps when no keyboard was connected at ps2 and would outright refuse to start or show a picture. Would be funny if that was the problem all along. Did you test the ebay rig beforehand? Maybe the dead cpu - or the fan - had a short and killed the board? Had this happen to me. It's rare but happens.
I shorted a beautiful x99 Classified board luckily the CPU survived but yeah If i had access to your hardware inventory Id always plug it into a new seasonic platinum 😀
Even though you think you "failed", the video shows how much you care about the series and how far you go to ensure you do everything you can to give the viewer a working PC in return. Thanks for the content and teaching me a few things I would've not learned anywhere else! Thank you for an awesome season of FoF! ❤❤
Maybe the pc owner's i7 4930k was so bricked it bricked the new Asus board. You should probably have tested the i7 3820+asus mobo combo first before slotting in the 4th gen i7.
100%, my order of operations there was amiss. However, the likelyhood of a CPU bricking a motherboard (in that order) is _extremely_ small. It's often the other way around since mainboards are the things sending power. CPUs don't do that. Either way, the result would have been the same, I'm afraid. Even if the eBay platform worked at the onset, both would have eventually met their demise in the viewer's rig because I had every intention of slotting in his 4930K :-/
@@GregSalazar it also could've been the PSU or gpu that bricked the new Asus motherboard. even tho u tested the PSU there could have still been something wrong with it
@@GregSalazar Yeah, the chances of the cpu bricking the board is extremely unlikely, but I guess we never will know what the problem was in this video.
I once had a couple systems identical to each other. one system went down and I started moving components. as soon as I swapped the cpu the good mainboard quit posting as well. ended up with 2 bad mainboards. I thought it was a fluke and swapped the same cpu into a 3rd board and it died as well. so it can happen. just rare that a cpu might do that.
I now remember how frustrating X79 was to work with... BUT in _other_ Intel news, shop now during Intel Gamer Days to save on your favorite gear! tidd.ly/3pqHP8I Season 3 is already in the works
@@josiasperez03 Link works perfectly fine. Your location is limiting it, presumably. Also, no onboard graphics with these X79 chips... We tried multiple, known-working dGPUs.
I hope we find out one day what was really the culprit for this guy’s system. You might feel like you failed us, but it’s an interesting episode, so thank you for sharing.
Dude... Massive respect for your persistence, I would have bailed about 4 hours in. Regardless of the result, I thoroughly enjoyed this one as per usual!
Just a thought, can we maybe get the customer's reaction to their new and improved rigs? If they're comfortable with being on camera as well as if you're comfortable with them entering your home to see their PC powered on that would be sick! keep up the great work you're doing!
fixing spaceships probably would have been easier than that and the amount of thermal paste that had to be wiped up, you probably could do a couple hundred verge PC's with the excess and still have enough left to paint the next spaceship??? ;)
I remember when I got my new parts (basically everything new, psu, platform, gpu, case etc besides storage) it didn't post immediately at all. I troubleshooted every single thing, and I figured out it was the case causing a short. I swapped cases, and it posted fine. When I individually tested the case - the usb connectors, fan connectors, rgb strips, I narrowed it down the rgb strip causing the no post, as well as the usb 2 connector.
you live and you learn, don't give up Greg. showing whether you fixed it or not is the most honest thing a creator does. keep on doing what your doing, glad I'm subbed to your channel. hope to see more!
Solid free advice pieces from years almost 2 decades of experience on this, feel free to correct or add something. When multiple issues seem to be happening, you first swap the PSU asap just in case the current one hasn't or won't fry any of the new components you might be adding when you are diagnosing. Sus connections on pins? Any pins? Spray some WD-40 Specialist or something very much analogous on all mobo other component's contacts to make sure there isn't some liquid-based short/high humidity remnant left from some event you aren't aware of that it happened and might be causing the issue, or even do that just in case regardless if you know. Next you start with the basics, adding one component after the other and diagnose from there. Don't want to mess things up with disks which have OSes with certain chipset drivers from completely different manufacturers like Intel and AMD or whatever? Clone the original boot drive and/or whatever other drive you have for that particular system which might need to be connect later in the chain of your diagnose processes as you add things to some other spare drives. Make sure you check with multiple methods and tools that the cloning process is verified 100%, is the same bit by bit, i've seen the best tools, either with software or hardware solutions to fail for either known or unknown reasons, you don't want to start with confidence that might later become a disaster, take precaution measures. Then connect the cloned drive/s instead and compare if they are the cause of the issue. Keeps the original intact and your mind without anxiety as you continue your diagnosing procedure.
Super late to this video but yeah this is a great comment. I once had an issue just like this where the system wouldn't POST and I swapped out part after part. It turns out I was using a PSU power cable that I already had connected to power (from the same PSU manufacturer) and not the cable that was specifically included with the PSU in the PC and that was the issue. Pretty amazing how many various symptoms can manifest due to PSU issues.
I think you fried the new used motherboard when you put a different CPU in it. And I also think that the slightly failing power supply didn't help the situation. You should have put your own power supply on the new motherboard/cpu with your own Ram and your own test GPU to verify that it was good. That way you have a known base to start with.
@@angurishudesu normally it doesn't matter but what the OP means is what if the customer's cpu is damaged and then by him putting it in his used new motherboard from ebay, damaged the motherboard itself, hope it makes sense now
GREG SALAZAR --If that is an EVGA x79 classified then it has two bios chips and a switch in the lower hand corner to switch bios. You might want to try that.
Greg you did all you could on an old system that should be upgraded. And we all need situations like this in life. I always say that we rarely remember the times that everything went right but never forget when everything went wrong. That is called experience. As a tech before I retired, I never forgot the service calls where it all went wrong but it made me a better tech when I was able to work though it and arrive at the correct diagnosis and repair. Hang in there and keep these wonderful episodes coming!
that comment about you feeling like a loser is INCORRECT. you went well above and beyond the call of duty on this self appointed mission of yours for this particular rig. you have nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed over, you are a SAINT sir. continue doing this work you do, you help more with these vids than you realize, even I have benefitted from this series. when I moved to my current residence a year ago, my computer actually took a short tumble(home depot packing/moving box disintegrated..never buy that brand) (drop distance was barely half a foot) and when I was setting back up at the new place..I couldn't get a post. I remembered your channel and started running the troubleshooting playlist..and wonder of wonders, it was the gpu(730gt). it had come unslotted. I was able to reseat it, got a post, and discovered I never put the screw back in on the metal pcie retaining clip after a deep clean three years ago. so..I pretty much hung myself with that. I was able to source a new bolt and resecured the metal pcie retaining clip. machine's run reliably since then. I am typically a lurker(eg dont tend to comment) but I do want to give credit for the solution. you helped me. you have helped others with these videos. so, no sir, you are not a loser.
If you are using the DP port for display, sometimes DP on a GPU has issues on certain motherboards. And using HDMI or another connection is the only way to get it to display on post. Perhaps it won't post fully without a keyboard which some motherboards can be like that.
I don't know much about GPUs. But I thought he was using USBC. Because the monitor didn't have hdmi or DP attached. It looked like two small cables coming from the monitor. I know some GPUs have USBC. My old 3060 tuf had one.
yep, could have easily be, that the owners CPU fried the mobo that you bought from ebay ... the seller whose willing to refund you looks like an honest dude, nevertheless, we all learned something new, with this fix or flop video.... chin up greg, this isnt a failure, this isnt a flop by a long shot.. its just a tiny miniscule hurdle that we must all.. you and the viewers, must overcome... we'll be coming back much stronger and smarter in season 3 boiis!!
I noticed toward the end (28:32+) of the video that there are installed unused motherboard standoffs installed. Whenever I see this on systems I work on, I immediately take the motherboard out and check for extra standoffs under the motherboard. I have seen may times new PC builders just install all the standoffs. Because the graphics card works in your test systems but not in the user's I would look for a standoff that is shorting the PCIE slots. This would also explain the new board from eBay also not working.
Greg I applaud your patience for handling this kind of case. When you could've just upgrade the system and call it a day but you decided to go an extra mile for this one. While it may have been frustrating on your end, remember that this series helped a lot of people out there, including me. Looking forward to FoF S3!
@@TimBoundy well it's an old platform and motherboards tend to die more often so I would believe that while it's very unlikely, it's much more likely than 3 dead CPUs (Disclaimer: I haven't finished the video as of yet)
Its the psu. That 12v shorted or fried either the board and or cpu. When you test the pc parts use your own psu first and then put everything together with the original psu.
Sincere question as I just don’t know: is it possible a bad CPU toasted the board? Then when Greg puts that CPU into the new MB - toast. Feel like if he started with the CPU that came with that new board, it might have worked.
Personally really enjoy this play list it’s given me heaps of insight into how pc’s work. Since watching I’ve rebuilt multiple rigs for friends and family and even rebuilt my son’s pc for his birthday less then a month ago with a aio cpu and motherboard upgrade. Thanks for all your help and guidance even though you never knew you were helping me specifically you do this for all of us and that’s awesome. Cheers mate.
Such a big beefy case for an old system. Like a Lamborghini shell with a Dotson engine.🤣 Also thank you for taking the time to do all this work for free. You spent so much time helping others. I hope you have a great day.
My current theory falls under the case or the storage drives, I have had more than one occasion where I have a failing hard drive that causes the system to outright refuse to display. But if all drives were removed whilst turning the system on then that wouldn't be the issue. The second issue I think it could be is the board shorting out, it's a rather unique situation where the motherboard will work fine but the system wont display, sometimes killing the motherboard entirely. Making sure the stand offs are all in correctly is important. It's unlikely a CPU would brick the new motherboard as that is rather difficult to achieve as it is since the motherboard would have told you the CPU failed outright anyway. But you should definitely remove everything and only test the new motherboard with the new cpu and a basic gpu, otherwise you'll never figure it out.
i've got the exact asus motherboard and a very similar issue, it took me days to realise i had a problem with the aftermarket cooler putting too much pressure on the socket and the fix was as stupid as is sounds i had to loosen the screws on my cooler half a turn and it has been running as my server for over a year with 0 problems now. (i was using a scythe big shuriken 2b) but the mounting looks similar.
This was my thought as well. The cooler looked like a budget pos, I would not be surprised that it was causing too much pressure on the socket and pins.
Here is my theory: The owner used cheap thermal paste that was electrically conductive. As a result, when they applied an excessive amount on the CPU which leaked all over the bottom of the CPU and the MB socket, it shorted out a number of critical components. Older boards do not have as much short circuit protection measures, so it is quite possible that when you installed the owner's bad CPU into the new motherboard that it shorted that one out as well. The end result being a damaged CPU that bricks any motherboards it touches. Like what I am seeing in other comments, you jumped the gun and should have tested the Ebay board before slapping potentially broken components onto it.
Thats true always test independently. With your thermal paste theory (which is a great point) it doesn't take into account the first time his system went down, the Thermal paste we saw was from when he swapped the CPU after it would not post which would not account for the original problem. He Verged the F out of that thermal paste.
The owner only switched to the 4930k when the 3820k wasn't working anymore. So even Greg slotting the 4930k into that new board probably wouldn't have fried the new board UNLESS the other board already fried the CPU, which then in turn took the replacement board with it. Might be caused by a faulty PSU tbh. But this amount of faulty components taking each other out is almost unheard of.
This right here is why I as a computer shop repair owner ALWAYS tell the owner no more. Once I see the thermal paste in the CPU socket its done. Its time to buy and upgrade to a new PC. The time spent on troubleshooting goes into the multi multi hundreds that can be spent on new parts. Love your show your 4 hours away from me in Cape Coral. Keep it up brother you got a new sub.
First ever HEDT build I see being tested in this channel. If there is something I really like, it's HEDT computers. The sight of RAM on both sides fills me with joy. x199 and x299 were my favorite ever HEDT platforms, the AORUS motherboard full of lights is the most gorgeous motherboard out there, and there are entire articles dedicated to talking about how full of art HEDT motherboards are, and honestly, I can't disagree with them, they truly are pieces os art, much more than mainstream motherboards. What a way to end the season, a big, big flop and the first HEDT system I've seen in the channel.
@@GregSalazar I don't always tune in but when I do it's so sweet to see an HEDT build being talked about, built or in this case, fix or flop. Any other HEDT builds that you tried to fix? If so I'll gladly watch all the episodes, and the builds too. I've been busy a lot so not a lot of free time, this week I have so watching some good sweet HEDT content will be a sweet spot for me to spend my time. They are so interesting.
I love how watching this video there are so many red flags that are like, okay that could be the problem. Well there's your problem. Oh wait, maybe that's the problem? As for the seeming neglect, eh.. I've seen worse. You have to keep in mind a lot of people will never actually really clean their coolers. They'll take pressurized air to it, etc. and never remove the mounting, fans, etc. and so to them it looks clean and they see a lot of dirt flying off, but you end up with that caked in dirt behind all the mounting. You have deep cleaning videos, but most owners are not going to strip down their system like that. Maybe just a helpful general monthly or bi-monthly whatever maintenance video on just what the run down is. Show them how relatively harmless it is to pop fans and mounting off these kind of coolers, etc. I've seen maintenance guides on water cooling etc, but nothing just outlining hey guys this is what you should be doing to properly maintain your system once in a while. Here are the problem areas to look at, there really is no danger in removing this or that, etc. Just an idea
@@jhplayz298 ok? Am4 still gonna around a while, and alot of users will have it. He can still keep an actual bench. With a psu/gpu/ram ready to insert.
@@deregulationIC at that point he can just grab an AM4 board when he needs it because he already tests different memory and stuff in the main system to begin with. He only gets a test bench out to narrow down the exact point of failure
Wouldn't have helped at all here. I don't keep old X79 platforms around to swap with, let alone as standalone test benches. And your point about AM4 is entirely moot here. I don't really complain about swapping around modern hardware because I often have plenty of it. Doesn't save me much time at all doing it other ways.
The only important thing about this rig is that the GPU is working. Tbh I'd change the series a bit and ask the owner what hardware they want and how much budged they have and then upgrade the build based around that and you would spare him 50% of the money or so. I like the idea to just replace one thing like the motherboard but we all know that this old hardware isn't worth it anyway, better of upgrading entirely the motherboard/cpu/ram. :x
My apologies if someone else has already mentioned this, but I was a bit perplexed as to why you reinstalled the untested motherboard and components in the case instead of "breadboarding" them on the bench first. It saves lots of time and eliminates possible shorts to the case. I've been building and troubleshooting PCs for nearly 30 years and doing this has saved me countless hours of bench time.
Not sure if this was the case here but that huge PSU got me thinking, I had a problem with an Evga PSU and discovered that power cables from different manufacturers might physically fit the sockets but they can have different pin assignments and, if so, would not be compatible. Perhaps he upgraded the PSU but used older cables, because they seemed to fit the sockets ok, and ended up frying some part of the motherboard. Even if not the cause here, it's something (else!) to keep in mind. Bravo on your perseverance though, as usual 🙂
@@MillisecondFalcon But you do bring up a good point that most people don't know or realize about the cables that come with a PSU are that in most cases they are pretty specific to that brand of PSU.
@@Joreel Not only brand but often model. Most brands have standardized their cables in the last few years but before than it was the wild west, even between revisions of the same model.
@@joby602 That's something I have never known existed. So if I for some reasons need to buy new cables for the psu then I must buy that specific cables for that model from the brand or where I buy the psu right?
Man, Greg, you really went to the mattresses on this one. It's like my dad used to say: some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you. Stupid question but it's not grounding on any of the standoffs is it?
I know this is a little older, hopefully you see this brother. Fist bump for effort. You can't win them all, sometimes small victories on the losses is all you can hope for when they come. Really enjoying watching these videos. PLEASE keep them coming!
Yup, I think the boards and CPUs that came from this era were the ones that sowed the seeds that building PCs are more of a hassle than its worth. Top it off with the lack of support from the Internet, and you have the best recipe to make people buy pre-builts/laptops instead.
The ripple in the power supply would be my main suspect, I know you tested with another PS, but from the video it looked like you hooked the client's PS up first. This could have been all it took to damage the new board, and from there forward you are testing damaged parts with a different PS.
Since everything is pointing towards the Motherboards, there's a few more things you can try: -Check to see if the Ram is fully supported and that it's installed in the correct slots (the X79 platform needs Dual-Rank memory in order to work properly). -Test with a high quality PSU. HEDT-motherboards can be finicky about the PSU (something like Corsair's AXi series, or Evga's Supernova PSU's). -Make sure all auxiliary connectors are plugged in (both CPU 8pin connectors), and the extra Molex Evga likes to place at the bottom of their motherboards. -Check the Torx screws that is holding the Socket retention mechanism onto the boards, if these come lose (during shipping, or for other reasons) the CPU will not make proper contact with the pins. -The Evga motherboard have a Triple-Bios, try switching over to one of the other Bios'es.
Great advice on this one. I had a similar issue years ago and it was the ram not being properly installed in the dual channel/rank configuration for this board
It looks like the Windows logo from the Windows 8 era, when the CPU was released. I can't say for most of the system parts, but it looks like the mobo and CPU are original to the case.
I love the videos, It's very nice of you to fix peoples PC's for free. You Are the only you-tuber I know of that even does something this nice. Edit: On a side note I thought my PC was dirty but compared to this one mine looks mint.
almost at a million greg happy for you bro keep it up youll hit a mill shortly youve taught me alot i built my 1st pc just from your videos and had no issues thank you so much
honestly when you said the mb error code showed the cpu temps and they were super low and then the 5 consecutive beeps that might indicate the cpu is doomed was the thing that got me to believe the temps were correct and the CPU was dead in the first place
Maaaaaann... I felt like I was you while I was watching this. Been there too. It's mentally and emotionally exhausting. Well done though! You've exhausted all your options and possibilities! This video was exciting and exhausting to watch. I got so immersed. 😂😂😂😂
The odds of both boards and all 3 CPU's being bricked are too big to even consider it. I'm wondering if there was a short somewhere. Either a standoff in the wrong place you missed or possibly a frayed wire touching the case. Even just a tiny nick and it can cause problems, been down that road myself once
Stupid question, but did you try a DP connection off-screen? I've had systems that would force you to use DP over HDMI at first. Also, some of these older systems freak out if you don't have a KB connected. Also: That eVGA board should have dual bios support with a switch to swap between them. Might want to give that a flip and see if something happens? (extreme oc boards from that era have this support for quick recovery if something crazy happens)
Honestly told that you make money on the video. (Like) honestly trying to help people by fixing real people's pc's (like). Teaching troubleshooting of various different combinations of problems. (Like). Totally worth my time to watch while also being entertained. Thanks ! I see this as a win(you) win(me) win(pc owner).
Hey Greg, just got to near the end. Do you think it could have been something as simple as a bad HDMI cable? Or at least that may have been the final problem?
Hi Greg, I ran this rig. X79/3820/980ti and had the same issue. Been troubleshooting for years and met my match with this. Ended up scraping everything but the mobo/cpu into another rig. Something is up with them after so long. Ram works fine, tested it on another DDR3 build. Just getting it to post with two different i7 chips and the board was impossible. I did run heavy overclocks with beefy cooling. Wasn't about to buy a new mobo or cpu after a decade so like you threw in the towel and upgraded. Aside the dirt, this is a proper setup to a great new pc. Decent motherboard, ram, cpu combo with proper installation and maintenance; this rigs good to go. After a very overdue bath.
I had a rig that was brought to me like this. It was nuked, in the end I found out my friend was gaming on it, without any kind of surge protection, or a UPS, when his house got struck by lightning. Parts would turn on, fans spin, etc, never would post. Nothing was saved other than the case and fans.
Even though this was a flop, you worked your way through all the logical steps and no one can blame you if it really doesn't work out. Sometimes it do be like that, I guess - as frustrating as it is to accept. I think I speak for all of your viewers is that you're a good dude, Greg! And through this series, not only did you help the people who sent rigs in but you've taught so many of us how to be better at our IT Support Guys in our own communities with Fix or Flop! Thank you and can't wait for S03. :D
For cleaning motherboards get an aerosol can of non chlorinated brake cleaner at auto parts store. It will blast all the crap away and evaporate in under 10 seconds. I use it to clean the entire board, but it makes quick work of thermal compound. It's especially helpful when repasting older gpus where thermal compound is rock hard.
My question is since this is an older build. did the problems start when he got the RTX 2070 GPU? if so, did he by chance have an AMD GPU prior to that? That in itself would have driver issues which would cause the system to both post and not post, and still show no video out or signal.
hearing you at the end reminds me of doing a code blue for an hour in the hospital and finally calling the time of death at some military time. Its all there, what you tried, asking everyone if they can think of something to try... time of death, 2137....
this system is why I perform a cursory clean every two weeks with some air lol. Anyone thinking you were harsh with your critique of this person's system is clearly forgetting that you do this for free as a kindness to people. the least they could do is have it be presentable when it shows up. I'd be mortified if this was my rig
Hey Greg, you tried! And I applaud you for that. Don't beat yourself up, sometimes things will not go as planned or as wanted, you did what you could and the owner knew it wasn't a guarantee fix. Nice try Greg!
I've been in situations like this. The devil's loop. When everything goes wrong, when a person sinks into depression or anger. I broke boards, threw processors out the window, took cases to the garbage. Sometimes you just can't overcome that bad energy. Then you get away from everything, get some sleep, and the next day you decide what to do next.
The one thing that kept popping into my head during this video was an issue that I experienced years ago: A buddy of mine had an original Playstation and it had something very wrong with the second controller port. As soon as you plug a controller into it the controller would instantly die. No sparks, or smoke, no passing go or collecting $200, just an instantly dead controller. It took us a while, and several dead controllers, to finally figure it out for certain. The only other thing I could think of is that the case is shorting something on the back of the mobo.. Strange one.
I agree with many of the comments; you need a test bed of your own with known working compnonents, which you can then use to swap in 1 sus component at at time to test. Then you can more easily ascertain if its a problem with the GPU, CPU, RAM, Mobo or PSU. Mix and matching in a viewers rig results in too many variables. Plus byuying 2nd hand replacements only add further variables. Your testing approach should be to introduce 1 component at a time to your working test rig to verify that singular component is working. 👍👍
I noticed a few comments mentioning the order of testing, and you're 100% correct. The eBay motherboard + CPU _should_ have been tested separately... independent of the viewer's rig. Hindsight is 20/20 and it was a clear blunder on my part. Even had to go back and watch that part myself to really grasp what happened chronologically (this was filmed several weeks ago). Also, bear in mind that not everything is filmed, let alone included in the final cuts of these videos. Many have mentioned things like coolers, drives, etc. All that said, I _highly_ doubt the CPUs from the viewer's rig shorted the eBay motherboard. Even if they were fried by the original motherboard, the odds that they, in turn, were capable of frying another mainboard are *extremely* small. Either way, the result would have been the same, I'm afraid. Even if the eBay platform worked at the onset, both would have eventually met their demise in the viewer's rig because I had every intention of slotting in his 4930K as it was the superior chip.
Hi Greg :)
Maybe something caused a short in the case which fried the PCI-E slots? I could very well be wrong but the PC's owner didn't seem to be taking care of the system that well so I wouldn't be surprised if there was debris or something which caused a short somewhere on the board(s)
just my two cents (don't sue me jay please)
Buildzoid did a video on testing questionable CPUs. According to that video a bad CPU can kill a motherboard. IIRC, a bad CPU can pull too much voltage, uneven voltage, or short out of the VRMs which can cause certain VRMs to fry. Pull off the VRM heatsinks and check the VRMs and Inductors.
I have a soft spot for the x79 platform because I got a solid 10 years out of my old Rampage IV Extreme.... before I retired it. Upgraded from the 3930k to the 4930k.... then to the E5-1680 v2.
Back in 2016 I ran into an unusually random issue with an old P67 WS Revolution board and a 2600k. The Graphics card wouldn't work in any PCI-E x16 slot I tried, but graphics would work if I used one of those PCI-E x1 Risers the miners use in a PCI-E x1 slot. I even tried testing with a 2500k and a Sandy Bridge Pentium g645. Several months later I came across an i7-3770 non-K and I put it in that P67 WS Revolution system and the PCI-E x16 slots worked.... all of them. Then I tried with a 3570 non-k and a 3770k and the slots worked. The board wouldn't work correctly with a Sandy Bridge CPU but it worked fine with an Ivy Bridge CPU.
You'll never know now :)
As you said,you should have tested the combo before installing it and with a known working supply. Everybody can make mistakes like this once in a while,even on YT. My best guess something from the PC fried the new mainboard too.
Why are you deleting respectful, constructive comments? Greg you reek of insecurity. Quick hop-to it! Delete! Delete! Delete! Unsubbed.
I figured it out, if you go to 17:45 you can see there's a motherboard standoff in the 1st and 3rd PCI-E slot. There should only be 1. The 3rd is used for m-atx boards. This shorted the first board, and since you immediately threw in the new board without testing out of case the same standoff shorted the second board.
how is this not upvoted?
Oh shit he's right! and that roughly lines up with why one of the pci-e slots on the evga board was completely dead.
Can we get this upvoted so he can see it guys?
@@parkerjorgensen8330 Yeah, I'm surprised it never got upvoted. I posted that comment within a week after this video was uploaded. He went crazy saying he changed every single variable, multiple cpus, gpus, motherboards, power supplys, RAM kits, but the variable he never accounted for was the case. You always have to take that into account. I've done my fair share of PC diagnostics over the years, and I've found when a PC has issues the first thing you should assume is just that it was built wrong in some way. So I take it out, test everything outside of the case and see what happens. It's definitely an experience thing, if he's never seen this before I can get how it would never even cross his mind, but I hope he saw the comment at some point and learned from it because motherboard standoffs in the correct spot are the very first thing you should check when building a PC.
If you would be a real "PC Expert" you would know that its not the reason lmao.@@xkannibale8768
My goodness you are a saint! About half way through this I would have just given up and pulled out a $68 i3 10100F, $70 B560 motherboard, and a $45 kit of 2x8GB DDR4 3200 CL16 and called it a day! Great video and series as always, and you go above and beyond the call of duty.
Hey I watch your videos, nice to se you here too ☺
Hey Jason! I've literally got one of your videos playing on my TV right now lol
Thinking about giving a sub to your channel, been thrown my way by the algorithm several times already, nice suggestion $150 and call it a day and even way way modern than the original platform.
Yeah but would Mr Bear approve? 🐈⬛😂
Hi, Jason. Nice to meet you here 😁
You know greg is pissed when he stops calling his gpu "our trusty gt 710" and starts calling it a "cheaper gpu"
That’s because it is an AMD card and not a gt710. He finally realized a couple of videos ago lol
@@bradyharr3483 do you recall which video it was?
@@djchuckey I believe it was the last fix or flop.
@@djchuckey Fix or Flop S2:E19 - Minute 5:04
Should've spent the extra $100 on the exact motherboard with debug display.
The series is much more genuine if there's the possibility of a Flop. If everything were a fix, it wouldn't be as interesting to watch! So wouldn't feel bad, you fix damn near all of them and a Flop just makes the series real.
Imagine being the owner of the computer and being made aware of just how dirty the computer is and just how Greg feels about it as it was shared on video. 🥴
Well mot cleaning a pc is the number one reason most pc's die (they will start to overheat and people ignore that)
he has started doing this more and more, starting to switch videos off when he does it now.
It was dirty tho. And that’s his honest opinion. If you know you’re dropping you PC off to a TH-camr Repair person who is gonna make content in exchange for a free repair…….clean the PC beforehand.
@@Rabbit640 yes thats the least to do, from that i see what kind of person the owner is
I fixed a 1 year old laptop (Windows 11) that was infected with ransomware from a work colleague as a favour. I did not mind as it was a simple reinstall and no sensitive data. What really annoyed me was the state of the laptop. No joke, it had what looked like pubic hair on it and was covered in stains of god only knows what. I had to deep clean it with rubber gloves on before I could even touch it. I told him that I was ready to hand it back to him and refuse to fix it. Some people are disgusting.
Man that PC looks like a nightmare. Mad respect for you trying as hard as you did man. My opinion dude should just upgrade his platform. Excited to see what you do in S3 and beyond
I appreciate it! Season 3 has been going well so far! ☺️
Honestly if it's that old, it's definitely time to upgrade to a new system. If the Ram, GPU, PSU, Hard drive, etc are still good then it shouldn't be that expensive to just buy a new motherboard and CPU combo along with a new CPU fan lol.
Yeah, since why would you even run rickety old hardware like that anyway? I understand using something to its fullest but if it's that old and it breaks, just replace it as a consumer. You spent it well (as in the owner of the system). A 4th gen i7 is not worth saving
He’s honestly just better off building a new rig around the 2070 if it’s still good. This one seems beyond fixing.
that's because you're not familiar with X79 and the power of cheap Xeon's when properly overclocked
@@paulburkey2 I never claimed to be? I was just simply throwing that out there. And to be honest building an up to date rig wouldn’t be a bad idea unless the games he plays doesn’t require new new parts.
@@novalynn7906 He didn't say that you were familiar, he literally said "that's because you're not familiar", he made an assumption that was likely correct given your initial comment and was right, he didn't judge or anything, he just gave useful information, there is no reason for you to take that personally.
Now, what the owner can and/or want to do with said system is up to them, @Paul_Burley just mentioned a choice most do not know about.
I know for me I find it more rewarding to take something old and discarded and giving it new life it's kind of like what hot rodders do with old cars sure you can go buy a brand new Porsche 911 but to take a 65 Nova and blow the doors off that Porsche is a lot more rewarding granted old PC hardware is not for everyone because it takes a lot of like what we saw in the video troubleshooting and tinkering to get it all to work just right but when you do it's very rewarding even when you're only able to come close to the same performance
@@paulburkey2 FWIW The CPU an X-Series not a Xeon.
Don't stop this series, these have been some of my favorite videos by you. I just love this idea.
I respect him for posting his failure and showing he's not perfect.
🎀♥️
Respect the humility...
Failure shows that this series is for REAL!!!
Really good content. I've personally learned so much from this series. Can't wait for season 3!
What I've learned is, if there's a problem, treat it like debugging Skyrim mods!
Disconnect everything until you get issues! In one case a guys NVME SSD caused a system to not POST
That PSU intermittently failing on two rails should have made you toss it directly into the e-waste.
Edit: A bad PSU can fry parts left and right that's the first part you should have swapped. Test the PSU first in future, and if it fails at anything don't try to save it do not use it on replacement parts cause it could damage the new parts as well.
That is my thought process..... That psu has fried the boards.
My thought EXACTLY!
Thats true. That happen to me. My rig shut down. Replaced the board, cpu and ram, still won't turn on, Found out the cpu and board got wasted. Had to buy another board and cpu,,, and A NEW PSU.
@@mikmaks7393 oof my pockets would be crying
Bad psu bad day
Some of these older boards do the same thing with the 5 beeps when no keyboard was connected at ps2 and would outright refuse to start or show a picture. Would be funny if that was the problem all along.
Did you test the ebay rig beforehand? Maybe the dead cpu - or the fan - had a short and killed the board? Had this happen to me. It's rare but happens.
I've never owned x79 (I had and still have plenty of p67/z77/h77/z87/z97), but THAT would be funny.
I’ve had this issue before!
I shorted a beautiful x99 Classified board luckily the CPU survived but yeah If i had access to your hardware inventory Id always plug it into a new seasonic platinum 😀
@@NickM13 same. I keep ps/2 keyboards on hand because of x79.
My fairly modern rig wigs out if there no keyboard, so it’s definitely possible.
I love that you aren't scared to straight up let the person know they are bad at computer maintainance.
Even though you think you "failed", the video shows how much you care about the series and how far you go to ensure you do everything you can to give the viewer a working PC in return. Thanks for the content and teaching me a few things I would've not learned anywhere else! Thank you for an awesome season of FoF! ❤❤
Maybe the pc owner's i7 4930k was so bricked it bricked the new Asus board. You should probably have tested the i7 3820+asus mobo combo first before slotting in the 4th gen i7.
100%, my order of operations there was amiss. However, the likelyhood of a CPU bricking a motherboard (in that order) is _extremely_ small. It's often the other way around since mainboards are the things sending power. CPUs don't do that. Either way, the result would have been the same, I'm afraid. Even if the eBay platform worked at the onset, both would have eventually met their demise in the viewer's rig because I had every intention of slotting in his 4930K :-/
@@GregSalazar it also could've been the PSU or gpu that bricked the new Asus motherboard. even tho u tested the PSU there could have still been something wrong with it
He should have built everything on that new board and cpu before putting it inside the case, if it worked then it would not have flopped imo
@@GregSalazar Yeah, the chances of the cpu bricking the board is extremely unlikely, but I guess we never will know what the problem was in this video.
I once had a couple systems identical to each other. one system went down and I started moving components. as soon as I swapped the cpu the good mainboard quit posting as well. ended up with 2 bad mainboards. I thought it was a fluke and swapped the same cpu into a 3rd board and it died as well. so it can happen. just rare that a cpu might do that.
I now remember how frustrating X79 was to work with... BUT in _other_ Intel news, shop now during Intel Gamer Days to save on your favorite gear! tidd.ly/3pqHP8I
Season 3 is already in the works
Hey Greg
good try greg
link doesnt work, also did you tried the onboard graphics?
@@josiasperez03 Link works perfectly fine. Your location is limiting it, presumably. Also, no onboard graphics with these X79 chips... We tried multiple, known-working dGPUs.
have you tried changing the boot drives or hard drives?
I hope we find out one day what was really the culprit for this guy’s system. You might feel like you failed us, but it’s an interesting episode, so thank you for sharing.
Dude... Massive respect for your persistence, I would have bailed about 4 hours in. Regardless of the result, I thoroughly enjoyed this one as per usual!
Much appreciated!
Just a thought, can we maybe get the customer's reaction to their new and improved rigs? If they're comfortable with being on camera as well as if you're comfortable with them entering your home to see their PC powered on that would be sick! keep up the great work you're doing!
The series that relaxes me and educates me at the same time. Huge fan Greg! Cheers from Europe, Bulgaria!
I'm in the UK and love watching Greg's videos as well, along with a few others as well... ;)
im from bulgaria too nice to see some other Bulgarians also watch greg
Another one from Bulgaria here
Austria here, also love the series
I am also Bulgarian
BRUH! No wonder you met your match, I didn’t think you were into fixing spaceships! 😲
*time machines
fixing spaceships probably would have been easier than that and the amount of thermal paste that had to be wiped up, you probably could do a couple hundred verge PC's with the excess and still have enough left to paint the next spaceship??? ;)
@@nicklote3363 Lol
@@nicklote3363 That was an obscene amount of paste LoL
@@Joreel but did you notice that how watery the "paste" was as well??? ;)
I remember when I got my new parts (basically everything new, psu, platform, gpu, case etc besides storage) it didn't post immediately at all. I troubleshooted every single thing, and I figured out it was the case causing a short. I swapped cases, and it posted fine. When I individually tested the case - the usb connectors, fan connectors, rgb strips, I narrowed it down the rgb strip causing the no post, as well as the usb 2 connector.
you live and you learn, don't give up Greg. showing whether you fixed it or not is the most honest thing a creator does. keep on doing what your doing, glad I'm subbed to your channel. hope to see more!
Solid free advice pieces from years almost 2 decades of experience on this, feel free to correct or add something.
When multiple issues seem to be happening, you first swap the PSU asap just in case the current one hasn't or won't fry any of the new components you might be adding when you are diagnosing.
Sus connections on pins? Any pins?
Spray some WD-40 Specialist or something very much analogous on all mobo other component's contacts to make sure there isn't some liquid-based short/high humidity remnant left from some event you aren't aware of that it happened and might be causing the issue, or even do that just in case regardless if you know.
Next you start with the basics, adding one component after the other and diagnose from there.
Don't want to mess things up with disks which have OSes with certain chipset drivers from completely different manufacturers like Intel and AMD or whatever?
Clone the original boot drive and/or whatever other drive you have for that particular system which might need to be connect later in the chain of your diagnose processes as you add things to some other spare drives.
Make sure you check with multiple methods and tools that the cloning process is verified 100%, is the same bit by bit, i've seen the best tools, either with software or hardware solutions to fail for either known or unknown reasons, you don't want to start with confidence that might later become a disaster, take precaution measures.
Then connect the cloned drive/s instead and compare if they are the cause of the issue.
Keeps the original intact and your mind without anxiety as you continue your diagnosing procedure.
Exactly a lot of issues revolve around suspect Power Supplies. Dont just trust them.
Super late to this video but yeah this is a great comment. I once had an issue just like this where the system wouldn't POST and I swapped out part after part. It turns out I was using a PSU power cable that I already had connected to power (from the same PSU manufacturer) and not the cable that was specifically included with the PSU in the PC and that was the issue. Pretty amazing how many various symptoms can manifest due to PSU issues.
I think you fried the new used motherboard when you put a different CPU in it. And I also think that the slightly failing power supply didn't help the situation. You should have put your own power supply on the new motherboard/cpu with your own Ram and your own test GPU to verify that it was good. That way you have a known base to start with.
This is a strong theory, IMO
Verifying the motherboard with known-to-be-working parts seems like such an elementary step.
Why would the different cpu FRY the motherboard? I understand that it wouldn't work but why it would break it just by doing that?
@@angurishudesu normally it doesn't matter but what the OP means is what if the customer's cpu is damaged and then by him putting it in his used new motherboard from ebay, damaged the motherboard itself, hope it makes sense now
@@ernestohysa9818 Ohh thank you, yeah it makes sense ;w;
GREG SALAZAR --If that is an EVGA x79 classified then it has two bios chips and a switch in the lower hand corner to switch bios. You might want to try that.
I would have enjoyed watching him take a sledge hammer to it more.
Greg you did all you could on an old system that should be upgraded. And we all need situations like this in life. I always say that we rarely remember the times that everything went right but never forget when everything went wrong. That is called experience. As a tech before I retired, I never forgot the service calls where it all went wrong but it made me a better tech when I was able to work though it and arrive at the correct diagnosis and repair. Hang in there and keep these wonderful episodes coming!
that comment about you feeling like a loser is INCORRECT. you went well above and beyond the call of duty on this self appointed mission of yours for this particular rig. you have nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed over, you are a SAINT sir. continue doing this work you do, you help more with these vids than you realize, even I have benefitted from this series.
when I moved to my current residence a year ago, my computer actually took a short tumble(home depot packing/moving box disintegrated..never buy that brand) (drop distance was barely half a foot) and when I was setting back up at the new place..I couldn't get a post.
I remembered your channel and started running the troubleshooting playlist..and wonder of wonders, it was the gpu(730gt). it had come unslotted. I was able to reseat it, got a post, and discovered I never put the screw back in on the metal pcie retaining clip after a deep clean three years ago. so..I pretty much hung myself with that. I was able to source a new bolt and resecured the metal pcie retaining clip. machine's run reliably since then.
I am typically a lurker(eg dont tend to comment) but I do want to give credit for the solution.
you helped me.
you have helped others with these videos.
so, no sir, you are not a loser.
If you are using the DP port for display, sometimes DP on a GPU has issues on certain motherboards. And using HDMI or another connection is the only way to get it to display on post.
Perhaps it won't post fully without a keyboard which some motherboards can be like that.
I don't know much about GPUs. But I thought he was using USBC. Because the monitor didn't have hdmi or DP attached. It looked like two small cables coming from the monitor. I know some GPUs have USBC. My old 3060 tuf had one.
There's nothing wrong with being humbled by electronics! Keep up the good work love the channel!!
yep, could have easily be, that the owners CPU fried the mobo that you bought from ebay ... the seller whose willing to refund you looks like an honest dude, nevertheless, we all learned something new, with this fix or flop video.... chin up greg, this isnt a failure, this isnt a flop by a long shot.. its just a tiny miniscule hurdle that we must all.. you and the viewers, must overcome... we'll be coming back much stronger and smarter in season 3 boiis!!
This LEGIT the best finale to end a season. Can't wait for the new season🤘
This is the first flop that i see. It shows you are still human. Love the series. Thanks
I noticed toward the end (28:32+) of the video that there are installed unused motherboard standoffs installed. Whenever I see this on systems I work on, I immediately take the motherboard out and check for extra standoffs under the motherboard. I have seen may times new PC builders just install all the standoffs. Because the graphics card works in your test systems but not in the user's I would look for a standoff that is shorting the PCIE slots. This would also explain the new board from eBay also not working.
This is one of the rare series that I always look forward to on youtube.
Greg I applaud your patience for handling this kind of case. When you could've just upgrade the system and call it a day but you decided to go an extra mile for this one. While it may have been frustrating on your end, remember that this series helped a lot of people out there, including me.
Looking forward to FoF S3!
Gotta be the platform... the odds of 3 cpus being dead vs the x79s, logically, its gotta be the motherboard. You should do a followup on this rig!
Two separate dead motherboads?
@@TimBoundy well it's an old platform and motherboards tend to die more often so I would believe that while it's very unlikely, it's much more likely than 3 dead CPUs
(Disclaimer: I haven't finished the video as of yet)
@@TimBoundy x79 platform is terrible. thats why so many second hand cpus are being sold on ebay .
Its the psu. That 12v shorted or fried either the board and or cpu. When you test the pc parts use your own psu first and then put everything together with the original psu.
Sincere question as I just don’t know: is it possible a bad CPU toasted the board? Then when Greg puts that CPU into the new MB - toast. Feel like if he started with the CPU that came with that new board, it might have worked.
Personally really enjoy this play list it’s given me heaps of insight into how pc’s work. Since watching I’ve rebuilt multiple rigs for friends and family and even rebuilt my son’s pc for his birthday less then a month ago with a aio cpu and motherboard upgrade. Thanks for all your help and guidance even though you never knew you were helping me specifically you do this for all of us and that’s awesome. Cheers mate.
Such a big beefy case for an old system. Like a Lamborghini shell with a Dotson engine.🤣 Also thank you for taking the time to do all this work for free. You spent so much time helping others. I hope you have a great day.
My current theory falls under the case or the storage drives, I have had more than one occasion where I have a failing hard drive that causes the system to outright refuse to display. But if all drives were removed whilst turning the system on then that wouldn't be the issue. The second issue I think it could be is the board shorting out, it's a rather unique situation where the motherboard will work fine but the system wont display, sometimes killing the motherboard entirely. Making sure the stand offs are all in correctly is important. It's unlikely a CPU would brick the new motherboard as that is rather difficult to achieve as it is since the motherboard would have told you the CPU failed outright anyway. But you should definitely remove everything and only test the new motherboard with the new cpu and a basic gpu, otherwise you'll never figure it out.
12:33 Ah, always exciting to see yet another custom-build by a Verge viewer!
🤬STEFAAAAAAAAN!
Yeah that was exactly what I thought 😂
The dude emptied their whole thermal paste tube into that thing, geezus.
Hey, if I paid for the whole tube, I'm gonna use the whole tube... is what a psycho would say.,
The bigger the gob, the better the job
He watched that infamous introduction to that Gamers Nexus video.
Dude should’ve upgraded the platform, all this headache should’ve disappeared
FILTHY !!! i wasnt expecting this one ! glad to see my slightly dusty fan is NOwhere near that dirty
I think the wrong placed standoff shorted both boards.😂😂
i've got the exact asus motherboard and a very similar issue, it took me days to realise i had a problem with the aftermarket cooler putting too much pressure on the socket and the fix was as stupid as is sounds i had to loosen the screws on my cooler half a turn and it has been running as my server for over a year with 0 problems now. (i was using a scythe big shuriken 2b) but the mounting looks similar.
I have witnessed this before. I think this is something that needs to be tested on this rig.
This was my thought as well. The cooler looked like a budget pos, I would not be surprised that it was causing too much pressure on the socket and pins.
@@mikerzisu9508 those big ass air coolers are dumb heavy
Hope this returns for season 3
the heart from greg means yes i hope
Here is my theory: The owner used cheap thermal paste that was electrically conductive. As a result, when they applied an excessive amount on the CPU which leaked all over the bottom of the CPU and the MB socket, it shorted out a number of critical components. Older boards do not have as much short circuit protection measures, so it is quite possible that when you installed the owner's bad CPU into the new motherboard that it shorted that one out as well. The end result being a damaged CPU that bricks any motherboards it touches. Like what I am seeing in other comments, you jumped the gun and should have tested the Ebay board before slapping potentially broken components onto it.
Thats true always test independently. With your thermal paste theory (which is a great point) it doesn't take into account the first time his system went down, the Thermal paste we saw was from when he swapped the CPU after it would not post which would not account for the original problem. He Verged the F out of that thermal paste.
The owner only switched to the 4930k when the 3820k wasn't working anymore. So even Greg slotting the 4930k into that new board probably wouldn't have fried the new board UNLESS the other board already fried the CPU, which then in turn took the replacement board with it. Might be caused by a faulty PSU tbh. But this amount of faulty components taking each other out is almost unheard of.
im crying in pain that he didnt support the gpu with the case screw mount.... im literally dying
This right here is why I as a computer shop repair owner ALWAYS tell the owner no more. Once I see the thermal paste in the CPU socket its done. Its time to buy and upgrade to a new PC. The time spent on troubleshooting goes into the multi multi hundreds that can be spent on new parts. Love your show your 4 hours away from me in Cape Coral. Keep it up brother you got a new sub.
First ever HEDT build I see being tested in this channel. If there is something I really like, it's HEDT computers. The sight of RAM on both sides fills me with joy. x199 and x299 were my favorite ever HEDT platforms, the AORUS motherboard full of lights is the most gorgeous motherboard out there, and there are entire articles dedicated to talking about how full of art HEDT motherboards are, and honestly, I can't disagree with them, they truly are pieces os art, much more than mainstream motherboards. What a way to end the season, a big, big flop and the first HEDT system I've seen in the channel.
We've built several HEDT rigs on this channel :-)
@@GregSalazar I don't always tune in but when I do it's so sweet to see an HEDT build being talked about, built or in this case, fix or flop. Any other HEDT builds that you tried to fix? If so I'll gladly watch all the episodes, and the builds too.
I've been busy a lot so not a lot of free time, this week I have so watching some good sweet HEDT content will be a sweet spot for me to spend my time. They are so interesting.
I love how watching this video there are so many red flags that are like, okay that could be the problem. Well there's your problem. Oh wait, maybe that's the problem?
As for the seeming neglect, eh.. I've seen worse. You have to keep in mind a lot of people will never actually really clean their coolers. They'll take pressurized air to it, etc. and never remove the mounting, fans, etc. and so to them it looks clean and they see a lot of dirt flying off, but you end up with that caked in dirt behind all the mounting.
You have deep cleaning videos, but most owners are not going to strip down their system like that. Maybe just a helpful general monthly or bi-monthly whatever maintenance video on just what the run down is. Show them how relatively harmless it is to pop fans and mounting off these kind of coolers, etc. I've seen maintenance guides on water cooling etc, but nothing just outlining hey guys this is what you should be doing to properly maintain your system once in a while. Here are the problem areas to look at, there really is no danger in removing this or that, etc. Just an idea
Why dont you keep an actual testbench around for next season? Kind of less of hassle to shove parts into another pc, then just a dedicated test bench.
Too many platforms to support in terms of motherboard. Memory changes etc. It would be an ineffective testbench if he can't test every component
@@jhplayz298 ok? Am4 still gonna around a while, and alot of users will have it. He can still keep an actual bench. With a psu/gpu/ram ready to insert.
@@deregulationIC at that point he can just grab an AM4 board when he needs it because he already tests different memory and stuff in the main system to begin with. He only gets a test bench out to narrow down the exact point of failure
Wouldn't have helped at all here. I don't keep old X79 platforms around to swap with, let alone as standalone test benches. And your point about AM4 is entirely moot here. I don't really complain about swapping around modern hardware because I often have plenty of it. Doesn't save me much time at all doing it other ways.
I felt that at 25:20 That was the most sincere "I don't know" I've heard in a while. But hey, you tried!
The only important thing about this rig is that the GPU is working. Tbh I'd change the series a bit and ask the owner what hardware they want and how much budged they have and then upgrade the build based around that and you would spare him 50% of the money or so. I like the idea to just replace one thing like the motherboard but we all know that this old hardware isn't worth it anyway, better of upgrading entirely the motherboard/cpu/ram. :x
What a cliffhanger!!!!! Can't wait for season 3.
hehe he probably got like 4 episodes ready. just needs to edit and upload.
Keep up the amazing work! Absolutely love the videos.
big fan bro keep up the great work buddy!
Loving the brush LOSING/SHEDDING it's bristles into that CPU Socket, LGA pins being bridged by bristle hairs!!
My apologies if someone else has already mentioned this, but I was a bit perplexed as to why you reinstalled the untested motherboard and components in the case instead of "breadboarding" them on the bench first. It saves lots of time and eliminates possible shorts to the case. I've been building and troubleshooting PCs for nearly 30 years and doing this has saved me countless hours of bench time.
Not sure if this was the case here but that huge PSU got me thinking, I had a problem with an Evga PSU and discovered that power cables from different manufacturers might physically fit the sockets but they can have different pin assignments and, if so, would not be compatible. Perhaps he upgraded the PSU but used older cables, because they seemed to fit the sockets ok, and ended up frying some part of the motherboard. Even if not the cause here, it's something (else!) to keep in mind. Bravo on your perseverance though, as usual 🙂
Well he said he tested in different rig and it worked so the PSU/cable can't be the problem
@@jakibib Oops, my bad! I am SO embarrassed, I was sure he said this one was a rare flop! 😬
Next day edit: this was a sarcastic reply! 😉
@@MillisecondFalcon But you do bring up a good point that most people don't know or realize about the cables that come with a PSU are that in most cases they are pretty specific to that brand of PSU.
@@Joreel Not only brand but often model. Most brands have standardized their cables in the last few years but before than it was the wild west, even between revisions of the same model.
@@joby602 That's something I have never known existed.
So if I for some reasons need to buy new cables for the psu then I must buy that specific cables for that model from the brand or where I buy the psu right?
No matter if it's a fix or flop, all your videos are a great learning experience and worth the watch. This was definitely a nightmare.
Man, Greg, you really went to the mattresses on this one. It's like my dad used to say: some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you.
Stupid question but it's not grounding on any of the standoffs is it?
I know this is a little older, hopefully you see this brother. Fist bump for effort. You can't win them all, sometimes small victories on the losses is all you can hope for when they come. Really enjoying watching these videos. PLEASE keep them coming!
Yup, I think the boards and CPUs that came from this era were the ones that sowed the seeds that building PCs are more of a hassle than its worth. Top it off with the lack of support from the Internet, and you have the best recipe to make people buy pre-builts/laptops instead.
The ripple in the power supply would be my main suspect, I know you tested with another PS, but from the video it looked like you hooked the client's PS up first. This could have been all it took to damage the new board, and from there forward you are testing damaged parts with a different PS.
Yes, but with zero debug lights on it "should" at least post even if it didnt fully work. Not getting any post at all is pretty weird.
Since everything is pointing towards the Motherboards, there's a few more things you can try:
-Check to see if the Ram is fully supported and that it's installed in the correct slots
(the X79 platform needs Dual-Rank memory in order to work properly).
-Test with a high quality PSU. HEDT-motherboards can be finicky about the PSU
(something like Corsair's AXi series, or Evga's Supernova PSU's).
-Make sure all auxiliary connectors are plugged in (both CPU 8pin connectors),
and the extra Molex Evga likes to place at the bottom of their motherboards.
-Check the Torx screws that is holding the Socket retention mechanism onto the boards,
if these come lose (during shipping, or for other reasons) the CPU will not make proper contact with the pins.
-The Evga motherboard have a Triple-Bios, try switching over to one of the other Bios'es.
Great advice on this one. I had a similar issue years ago and it was the ram not being properly installed in the dual channel/rank configuration for this board
Hold on.. is that a bloody windows XP sticker on the top @ 5:50 ? How long has this system been continuously upgraded?
It looks like the Windows logo from the Windows 8 era, when the CPU was released. I can't say for most of the system parts, but it looks like the mobo and CPU are original to the case.
I love the videos, It's very nice of you to fix peoples PC's for free. You Are the only you-tuber I know of that even does something this nice. Edit: On a side note I thought my PC was dirty but compared to this one mine looks mint.
almost at a million greg happy for you bro keep it up youll hit a mill shortly youve taught me alot i built my 1st pc just from your videos and had no issues thank you so much
I appreciate that!
honestly when you said the mb error code showed the cpu temps and they were super low and then the 5 consecutive beeps that might indicate the cpu is doomed was the thing that got me to believe the temps were correct and the CPU was dead in the first place
could also be screws are too tight on cooler. since someone else had some problems that were just like this one. but who knows..
@@TheUltimateRare huh, and i thought the cpu or socket would just break if you overtighten your cooler.
Have you considered testing the case? Could it be shorting at one of the standoffs?
He set it up outside of the case a few times in the video
As someone said already here; im pretty sure the psu fried the motherboards.
I think you may well be right considering the PSU was failing the ripple test and the ATX specification is already very lenient on this.
Maaaaaann... I felt like I was you while I was watching this. Been there too. It's mentally and emotionally exhausting.
Well done though! You've exhausted all your options and possibilities! This video was exciting and exhausting to watch. I got so immersed. 😂😂😂😂
great video man gave it your best shot and I'm sure the owner appreciated all the work put in regardless of end result. Look forward to season 3!
I wonder if it could be the case grounding contacts out on it. Did you ever assemble it outside of the case?
there is a clip of him using it outside the case
The odds of both boards and all 3 CPU's being bricked are too big to even consider it. I'm wondering if there was a short somewhere. Either a standoff in the wrong place you missed or possibly a frayed wire touching the case. Even just a tiny nick and it can cause problems, been down that road myself once
If there was a short it should shutoff
Stupid question, but did you try a DP connection off-screen? I've had systems that would force you to use DP over HDMI at first. Also, some of these older systems freak out if you don't have a KB connected. Also: That eVGA board should have dual bios support with a switch to swap between them. Might want to give that a flip and see if something happens? (extreme oc boards from that era have this support for quick recovery if something crazy happens)
Honestly told that you make money on the video. (Like) honestly trying to help people by fixing real people's pc's (like). Teaching troubleshooting of various different combinations of problems. (Like). Totally worth my time to watch while also being entertained. Thanks ! I see this as a win(you) win(me) win(pc owner).
Thanks for watching!
Plot twist the case bricked it
Without failure one cannot appreciate success, well done for keeping at it that long.
Hey Greg, just got to near the end. Do you think it could have been something as simple as a bad HDMI cable? Or at least that may have been the final problem?
The HDMI cable is fine. We've used it several times since filming this one without issue.
@@GregSalazar Gotcha, that was all I got lol👍
I think the problem is not enough thermal paste
Hi Greg, I ran this rig. X79/3820/980ti and had the same issue. Been troubleshooting for years and met my match with this. Ended up scraping everything but the mobo/cpu into another rig. Something is up with them after so long. Ram works fine, tested it on another DDR3 build. Just getting it to post with two different i7 chips and the board was impossible. I did run heavy overclocks with beefy cooling. Wasn't about to buy a new mobo or cpu after a decade so like you threw in the towel and upgraded. Aside the dirt, this is a proper setup to a great new pc. Decent motherboard, ram, cpu combo with proper installation and maintenance; this rigs good to go. After a very overdue bath.
I had a rig that was brought to me like this. It was nuked, in the end I found out my friend was gaming on it, without any kind of surge protection, or a UPS, when his house got struck by lightning. Parts would turn on, fans spin, etc, never would post. Nothing was saved other than the case and fans.
I either find this entertaining or educating series
I hope Greg never sees my system if he considers that "Extremely Dirty"... Imagine when two dogs live with you!
Funny how he said that it hadn't been cleaned for ***months***.
Even though this was a flop, you worked your way through all the logical steps and no one can blame you if it really doesn't work out. Sometimes it do be like that, I guess - as frustrating as it is to accept.
I think I speak for all of your viewers is that you're a good dude, Greg! And through this series, not only did you help the people who sent rigs in but you've taught so many of us how to be better at our IT Support Guys in our own communities with Fix or Flop!
Thank you and can't wait for S03. :D
For cleaning motherboards get an aerosol can of non chlorinated brake cleaner at auto parts store. It will blast all the crap away and evaporate in under 10 seconds. I use it to clean the entire board, but it makes quick work of thermal compound. It's especially helpful when repasting older gpus where thermal compound is rock hard.
As a fellow Tech Greg I sympathize, we all get that one machine that drives us insane buddy. Keep up the good work buddy.
My question is since this is an older build. did the problems start when he got the RTX 2070 GPU? if so, did he by chance have an AMD GPU prior to that? That in itself would have driver issues which would cause the system to both post and not post, and still show no video out or signal.
drivers only comes to play when the system is into windows.. he was testing without any drives connected so this is not even a possibilty
hearing you at the end reminds me of doing a code blue for an hour in the hospital and finally calling the time of death at some military time. Its all there, what you tried, asking everyone if they can think of something to try... time of death, 2137....
this system is why I perform a cursory clean every two weeks with some air lol. Anyone thinking you were harsh with your critique of this person's system is clearly forgetting that you do this for free as a kindness to people. the least they could do is have it be presentable when it shows up. I'd be mortified if this was my rig
Love this series. This was crazy but can’t wait to see what’s next. Would like to see you get this fixed even if you had to go with a new platform.
Hey Greg, you tried! And I applaud you for that. Don't beat yourself up, sometimes things will not go as planned or as wanted, you did what you could and the owner knew it wasn't a guarantee fix. Nice try Greg!
I've been in situations like this. The devil's loop. When everything goes wrong, when a person sinks into depression or anger. I broke boards, threw processors out the window, took cases to the garbage. Sometimes you just can't overcome that bad energy. Then you get away from everything, get some sleep, and the next day you decide what to do next.
This channel is the best
When he said NO PATERON that’s a testament to quality videos and a quality channel.
No e begging,
The one thing that kept popping into my head during this video was an issue that I experienced years ago: A buddy of mine had an original Playstation and it had something very wrong with the second controller port. As soon as you plug a controller into it the controller would instantly die. No sparks, or smoke, no passing go or collecting $200, just an instantly dead controller.
It took us a while, and several dead controllers, to finally figure it out for certain.
The only other thing I could think of is that the case is shorting something on the back of the mobo..
Strange one.
Even though I have one pc , I almost watched all of this series videos. Thanks for it. See you next season.
I agree with many of the comments; you need a test bed of your own with known working compnonents, which you can then use to swap in 1 sus component at at time to test. Then you can more easily ascertain if its a problem with the GPU, CPU, RAM, Mobo or PSU. Mix and matching in a viewers rig results in too many variables. Plus byuying 2nd hand replacements only add further variables. Your testing approach should be to introduce 1 component at a time to your working test rig to verify that singular component is working. 👍👍