Check out Windows and many other products on Kinguin: kingu.in/gregsalazar and use code 'SALAZAR' for 14% off. Thanks for watching! This rig threw a proper curve-ball and it's one of the reasons I don't typically accept entries involving _(potentially)_ software issues. The viewer has not contacted me since, so I expect his system is still going strong! 💪
hey is there a way to contact you i had somone pretend to be you and try to scam me out of money for a prize for my comment on a previous post so was hoping to talk to you to see if its actualy you or not @gregsalazar
@@humphriesmotorsports53 Please use common sense when navigating online. Those accounts are not, in any way, associated with _this_ one. We are verified. They are not. We've never promoted any giveaway via Telegram or phone number. And we've never asked for money to ship anything to anyone in a giveaway setting.
@@GregSalazar i figured thank for confirming it seemed really off so I wanted to verify it was you they but i can tell now its not so thank you for confirming so i didn't get scammed they claimed being you and were going to send a new iPhone 14 and a mac book air or pro to me for being a subscribers
@@humphriesmotorsports53Yes, I had the same thing happen. It's a TH-cam fault. Scammers have found a way to use TH-camr's to get money out of people. But it is not Greg's fault. He has nothing to do with it. The fault lies with TH-cam themselves and they're not doing enough to stop that happening, just a load of empty promises from Zuckerberg and his crew.
@@jonathanmaybury5698 yea im not mad at greg he didnt do anything wrong if anything he helped prevent me from getting scammed so thank you for atleast getting back to me about it before it happened
I like longer videos with fewer cuts because this way it is easier to follow everything and you can see the behavior in detail which will make it easier to potentially identify the same problem if you encounter it by yourself.
Greg, please continue showing everything. You're videos are not too long, and a service to the community. If they think it's too long, they can increase the playback speed, and miss everything you are saying.
yes he could do a on screen overlay of the steps and even do ome of them in high rate, with like 30 second that would show maybe 10 mins of standard checks and if he did not do something he could use a skipped like a PSU check if nit needed for the fix. you could use a google doc with the steps that 1. you viewers could suggest steps 2. after a bit could download to use on their own fixes
TikTok kids that have the attention span of 10 seconds, dont actually want to listen to anything, and want the Video to be over as fast as possible. Why even watch the Video then? 💀
I'm going to try to balance out the people complaining about "long" videos and complain that your videos are too short! I expect 6-9 hours of Greg every time a video is published on this channel. Riot if expectations are not met.
Youre longer vids have quite literally helped me save several of my friends thousands! Knowing how things work and see things get fixed is great but the true art in these vids is the problem solving process. Thank you for all your wisdom Greg!
The case bottom filter appears to possibly be dust clogged at 14:01. The PSU voltages seem a bit low, so might want to use your PSU tester on it. The "Load Optimized Defaults" bios settings should help getting back to normal. Also: the "CSM Enabled" bios setting may have been required in order to get the PC owner's actual Windows boot drive to boot. Normally, it's best to leave in "CSM Disabled" mode, so the PC owner may need to re-install Windows while CSM is disabled, instead of enabled.
You make things look so relatively simple. At 74 I am a bit hesitant to to even try to correct my Windows Boot Failure in spite of watching various TH-cam "How to". I can simply hit Press Any Key To Continue and it boots right up. Annoying but beats screwing anything up in BIOS and not having a working computer. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing.
I had the same problem with my kiddos pc back when i was building his for his birthday. turned out to be a bad Drive and CPU. Talk about a massive headache and literally had me running circles thinking i did something wrong. But your videos are never to long keep up the good job Greg. Love the content.
The fan ramp-up is something I've seen on a few different AMD motherboards in CPU- and RAM-related crashes. As for this PC, the fact that disabling PBO fixed the issue tells me that this CPU a lemon or has been damaged. Sucks for the owner, there's a lot of performance left on the table for the 5950x if you can't run it with PBO enabled.
The CPU could have been crushed when the owner mounted the cooler and they are very lucky that it's still somewhat working. That was the biggest concern I had when I was building my new system with an AIO.
@@terminusaquo1980 You cant crush the CPU while mounting the cooler if your using the correct mounting hardware. Its just a bad CPU that got through QC or it had degraded over time.
@@j.p.h.8126 you can mount a cooler with too much pressure even with proper mounting hardware and it may cause issues, seen that before in some videos.
@@Django45 Depends on the CPU and the cooler but in this case no. You can bottom out the screws and it will not brake anything. Modern cooler mounting hardware have tight tolerances. Sure you can find a cooler with some janky mounts that can brake things. But EK is not one of those.
To those who are saying to speed it up and don't show so many steps, You are missing the whole point of this series. this is about fixing computers, not seeing the fixed results. We want to see the WHOLE process of what fixes computers, because somewhere down the road we were either get into computer repair business, seek for knowledge, or we just want to be able to troubleshoot our own issues better. It's also enjoyable. I haven't found a single fix or flop episode that i disliked.
Thanks for the inspiration Greg! I helped a kid out last week, before Christmas, that had his gaming PC go down. Figured out that the motherboard was bad AND had a corrupt OS. Took many hours of troubleshooting and teaching him what to try but we got it going.
Hey Greg, thanks to having watched so many of your fantastic Fix or Flop videos, I was actually able to identify the issue with my own PC. After upgrading CPUs, the CPU debug LED was always turning on. Because of you, I knew that the RAM could be the culprit and it was! The PC was only able to boot with one of my two DIMMs and after manually setting my DRAM voltages and enabling XMP, the system is now up and running with both of my sticks and XMP. Thanks for these great videos
Don't mind the people with low attention span. The reason why this series is so popular is your charisma and the way you conduct the troubleshooting process and take us along for the ride. Keep it up Greg!
your videos actually help me with pc problems. i never have a problem with how long they are. its good to be thorough when its a pc. they do cost a hell of a lot when you think about it
I'm very thankful for this series, Greg. It's because of things like at 4:21. I was one of the people that thought that leaving it hanging like that was okay. It was a new M.2 and when I looked at the benchmarks, it was underperforming and overheating. I decided to put the extra screw that was in the motherboard box and voila! The temps are great and the benchmarks are where they are supposed to be. Thank you, Greg!
Take as long as you need and film as much as you want, Greg. I just had the build from hell the other day and almost every single issue we encountered had an answer from your Fix or Flop series... _INCLUDING_ an unactivated copy of Windows 10. It was a 5600G going into a TUF Gaming X570 motherboard. The BIOS that shipped with it was from April of 2020, so it did not recognize the APU. We had to get a 3000 series AM4 CPU to update the BIOS because it does not have a flashback option. When that CPU arrived, several pins were bent and we had to bend them back. It was a nightmare, but I cannot stress how many times your name and this channel came up. Thank you.
There is no way people complain about 15 - 20 minutes of troubleshooting is too long when that's the whole point of the series. These are great, Greg! We're not just here to see if the system is fixable, but to actually see the processes you go through to troubleshoot and attempt to fix the PC. These videos help the rest of us by teaching how we can handle our own systems if something were to go wrong. I am sure most of us really want to see the whole process, rather than just the end point.
Hard agree about not making the videos shorter. I have had a couple of issues with a pc before and the stuff I learned from these videos was so helpful in diagnosing.
honestly, the longer the better if that means u show the whole process, afterall thats why i watch. so long as its not just draging it out with pointless things, ppl realy have no reason to complain imo... keep up the good work, learning a bit more with every episode 😊
I honestly love the length of the videos for FOF. You go into detail, I've run into similar problems with my own rig, with my friend's rigs and wouldn't know about how to fix it or little ways to fix it without the detail!
Fun Fact at 13:25 you could have repartition the drive using CMD or any 3rd party bootable software. The drive was a 1TB drive with 432GB Free. Just make enough of the 432GB unallocated space for windows to install then install windows and keep the "Big Games" partition.
Thanks, Greg! This video was the perfect length to show me something I didn't think to do when the boot drive on my new build failed after a few months. Instead of spending $16 and waiting for a USB NVME enclosure to confirm the failure using an old laptop I could have just plugged in my original boot media, confirmed the drive was toast, and requested the RMA the same day. Should have been obvious to me but it wasn't. Great tip! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to your family.
Please continue to show everything. The whole point of the series is for us to learn, and for others who may have similar issues watch and maybe get the fix they need. Seeing the whole process, and most importantly your thought process is more than a wealth of knowledge. If people aren’t happy, I think they just may be watching too many tik toks lol
I just went through a very similar situation with my 5950, Asus x570 Prime Pro, RTX 3070ti, Corsair Vengeance Pro 32gb 4 stick RAM. I figured the Boot drive was corrupted so I purchased new SAMSUNG EVO 970 2TB and install went off fine. After that juncture, everything looked good until about 3 days of COD play and I experienced random BSOD or crashes during play...Checked each stick of ram with Windows memtest. No issues found. At this point I swapped graphics card with my wifes RX 580. No crashes, no BSOD! Played COD on her PC (shhh) with my 3070ti. No crashes, no BSOD! That was a relief BUT.....two MOBOs are on order to replace the ASUS MOBO. BTW all drivers were updated for Nvidia and AMD and all updates to windows were complete to include optional. Fingers crossed! Grateful for your series Fix or Flop series which has given me more knowledge and thus able to troubleshoot with more confidence.
Just built a rig for the first time thanks to vids like yours! I went with a i7 13700K, 7900xt, 32 gb of ram, 850 watt psu, aio, m.2 980 pro. Posted as soon as I turned it on! Loving it! Thanks for all the helpful videos bro!
Don't worry about people complaining about your long video's. Your trying to teach us all something & I as a builder for 40 years will say this is how I learned. If they don't want to watch & learn, then they learn that much less :) ^5.
Had the same issue with my friends pc tried undervolting his cpu and it worked. But suggested him try removing the custom cables and set the cpu voltage to previous voltage and it worked. Just sharing, Thanks.
If the drive that's in there has a problem where the board could not recognize it right away or kept having to scan it repeatedly, that can lock up the pc. When you corrected that by reinstalling windows to where the bios did not have to keep scanning it, that fixed the lockup problem. You probably could have run disk repair and fixed it without having to delete anything. When any drive keeps sending back the wrong responses, that can lock up the bios. Also if the system is unstable you can drop back one frequency setting on the memory and fix it. My pc will not run stable on the memories highest frequency setting, so I have it one step down and it runs just fine. One thing I've learned over the years is that some setups are picky about what they will run stable with regardless of what they are supposed to do. You sometimes have to go through several settings to see which is best to make it stable. Also running a pc on the edge of locking up such as overclocking to the max is bad. I find that if you go into the windows setting where you can actually set the percentage load on the cpu in the power settings. And set the cpu to 98 - 99% that on some rigs that really speeds things up and stops the screen jerks that can exist in games. Think of the cpu load like pouring oil through a funnel into your car's engine. The oil represents the data flow to the cpu. Pour too fast and the oil backs up in the funnel like data can back up waiting in line to be processed. if the cpu cannot find what it need fast enough the screen jerks. Taking the power section in the windows power section and dialing the max cpu load to 99% or 98% will reduce the pouring of data to the cpu and problem solved. Because the line of data waiting to be processed is now much shorter and the cpu can find what it needs much faster. Over filling the cache with data causes this problem. Try it. Setting back the load also can allow you to turn up the bios settings making the higher setting you could not use before now work. Over loading the cpu with data to be processed is often why some over clocking setting cause things to jerk quirk and lock up under load.
Greg I appreciate seeing you struggle with these PCs. It's makes it relatable and realistic that it's never simple and even someone as experienced as you gets challenged.
Hey Greg you do a great job, you should show the complete problem. Like you said we might run into a problem like this. Remember you can't make everyone happy, you're gonna get people that will complain. Just do your thing , trust me your videos are very good and informative.
The long videos aren’t an issue at all, it’s good to see the process I had a drive fail and my motherboard was showing a Gpu issue on boot, but after troubleshooting using your method it was my m.2, it’s good to see the process behind troubleshooting and when it isn’t what you expect what it could be
I find it interesting that you chose to use the Windows Setup program to look at the drive partitions. I was expecting you to at least hit F8 to open the command prompt and launch diskpart. Or perhaps fire up Hiren's Boot CD and use one of the partition managers. I get your goal was to be quick and dirty, but I feel like you get a lot more information from one of those other options. Still, I love to watch these troubleshooting videos from you. Even after 30 years in IT, I can learn a lot from them.
Your videos are never to long. I love to see every detail. Especially someone like me who is learning. Just Seeing how you operate the software along with the hardware is a huge help.
I had a similar issue with a Ryzen 9 5950X with an OriginPC build that I bought last year. Popped up pretty quickly and required a CPU replacement and also (apparently) an AIO replacement. It took forever to get my system back despite it being a "priority" repair order. Ever since they replaced the CPU it's been going strong.
Thankfully I don't do as much computer tech support for family members these days, but these videos help keep my diagnostic skills sharp should I need them in the future. I've learned a lot from the FOF series and appreciate you not omitting any details and showing the whole process.
I don't know, but 4 sticks of DDR4 at 4000 MT/s CL17-18-18-38 as per @12:18 is both ambitious (load-wise on the I/O die) and a terrible idea (because of Infinity Fabric down-clocking) for a Zen 3 rig. Resetting RAM to JEDEC (and then potentially working up to 3600 or maybe 3800 MT/s) would have been high on my priority list when trying to diagnose random crashes under these circumstances.
I agree the fclk down clocking desync results in horrible performance. op would be much better off shooting for something like 3600 16-16-16-16 as a safe number and be able to have 1:1 fclk and mem clock sync. 4000 m/t its self is normaly stable though and at the start he was trying to boot with just jdec and no xmp/docp
I've not checked other comments. If already said I apologize. But if you press shift F10 on the first windows setup screen it gives access to a CMD prompt. From here, obviously, you can access diskpart etc. Alternatively you can run notepad as a gui and use open to examine the contents of the drive
Can you do a full video on the stress testing you did? Also maybe go through fan settings? I have a mobo that has fan tuning options but I usually just sent them manually because the tuned options don't seem to work well.
I like it when you keep the full video. I built my own pc for the first time 2 yeas ago. It restarted over and over again. Turned out i mounted the io wrong. The cooler did not touch the cpu. Fixed it and it is stil running fine after the years. So it is nice to see the full video.
People wank about anything and everything. Do what you do and ignore the haters. Many love your videos and find them helpful, so keep doing what you’re doing.
I thought the same, but after a closer look i realized it's the head of the meme personality "hide your pain harold" (or the eletrical engineer named András István Arató) which is what i strongly believe is what the internet historian's cartoon character is based on. So i guess that misinterpretation is on us 🤷♂️
Wow..this what all this is about ..the details..this will save someone alot of money..have you checked PC repair prices lately..omg..so what I've seen on this channel has saved me some cash over the years....don't worry about trolls..you just keep doing this awesome job 👏 👍 😀 👌
I had issue with overheating SSD like two days ago. Temperature was like 60C at idle and it was mounted at the exact same spot, right below the CPU. Im confident that it was due to the graphic card was very near to it from the bottom - even nearer than in this case (B650E-E), I switched to the bottom slot and temperature dropped from 60C to 38C. Cheers and thanks for the vid. :)
What kind of GPU/CPU and cooling do you have, because 60C at idle is way too much. I have 1 NVMe between my CPU and GPU and 1 NVMe right under my GPU and none of them hit 60C even while the PC is under load. Your temps seem extremely sussy.
@@lycanthoss yeah definitely something not right, Either with the position or the SSD itself or maybe slot is faulty, might be pwoer delivery issue too. 7950x with H170I elite capellix and 4090. I had a lot of crashes last day during gaming, most of the lately because of GPU driver crashing. So I excluded that "hot" ssd from my rig (it was a OS disk) and got back to WIN10 and installed it on another brand new SSD. All looks fine so far.
I am entertained, though I am no technician but I maintain my own computers and lappies. I find satisfaction in them and watching this series gave me more satisfaction.
Man, I just went through this exact problem with my pc. 5950x as well. Took ram out and reinstalled and replaced the cmos battery. It seems to have worked.
My usual hdd diagnostic method a USB drive with Ubuntu install media, it will allow you to boot off it without installing and test the hard drives, from there you can SMART test, format etc.
I had a similar issue when I built my current rig last year. It was the drive I intended to use as a boot drive. Aside from my rig exhibiting similar behavior to the one in this video, the drive got ridiculously hot quickly, and displayed consistent symptoms on different motherboards. Thankfully, I was able to return it, and exchange it for a good one. It was a Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1TB. I've used them multiple times, and that was the only time one came defective, in my case.
I had the same problem with a gigabyte motherboard x570 and it turned out to be fast boot. If fast boot was enabled it would not see the drive. Once I disabled fast boot, it worked
When this happened to me, it was a corrupted OS. I fought the issue for a year before just doing a fresh installation of Windows OS. A lot of Gigabyte and MSI boards seems to have issues with M.2 drivers as well. They'll randomly "lose" connect and freeze BSOD your system. The other issue with a lot of MSI boards is that, even though they are capable, won't allow and update to Windows 11. Everything meets criteria for Win 11, but just won't update.
remember to barebone check system. ( one part connected at a time)always do one after the other until your stable. the main drive missing is a dead give away. good job getting there.
Nice to see you managed to get the system back up. One other thing I'd check on the NVME just to rule it out is if the drive is configured for ACHI or RAID as if it's set on one or the other and windows was installed on ACHI the system won't boot if the drive is configured to use RAID
I upgraded (lol) recently to a Dell T3610 for £50 and found it was set to use RAID. The Google fix to get it to boot again after changing to AHCI was just to start in safe mode once. I eventually did a fresh Win 10 install anyway after upgrading Win 8 in-place to get the free licence. It was a real headache trying to navigate Win 8 and after the upgrade it had an Nvidia BSOD once too.
I really enjoy this video series. I've learned a bunch. I did notice, however, that you missed an opportunity at 4:35 into the video. You mention that the standoff for the NVMe is missing and you go and rob one off of another old board, when the standoff is just to the left of the 2280 spot at the 22110 spot. Just an observation.
4:21 LITERALLY HAD THIS EXACT SAME ISSUE YESTERDAY! Randomly doesn't detect my OS or SSD entirely. Stupidly enough, I did this on my main rig. I've been building PCs for well over 15 years... Mistakes still happen, but that was kinda stupid of me to miss.
Love this series. Also dont mind the long videos. Usually that means shit is baaaaad and we are going on a long and interesting journey of tech fixery :) .
Honestly if u don't like it dont watch it I would rather a a full somewhat detailed reason in things for my learning purposes even tho that's just me now y'all so understandable but I would rather have that then a half ass explanation and everything for someone who is want to learn all there can and wanting to be a future it like me I love it don't stop for no one Greg u got the real one watching right here hope ur Christmas was amazing
I'm fine with the length of the videos in the Fix or Flop series. A suggestion I can give to help in checking for problems is to have a flashdrive with HBCD_PE (Hiren's BootCD PE) as it has a bunch of tools preloaded that can be used to diagnose PC problems and you can boot directly to it and its Windows 10 environement. The ISO is about 2.9gb. I use it myself mostly for diagnosing drive related issues and as an environment to boot to when things go wonky so files can be backed up without booting on the OS on a faulty drive.
Recently I bought a Ryzen 9 5950x and it did the same thing. I came to find out that Amazon sold it with overclock on. Had to turn it off in the bios and it runs fine.
You should also got into Control Panel & into Power options & make sure your in High performance mode & check the settings for Monitor & Hard drive shutdown time. By default one or both settings may be set to 15 mins. Change it to never.
I had this exact issue with an AMD Athlon XP chip, and turns out that's what was causing the issue. I pulled the CPU, and replaced it with my 1GHz Duron, and it worked fine from there. Had a similar issue with my 8320 as well. With that one it was a power outage that caused the CPU to fail. Even though I had my system attached to a surge protector it still got taken out. Lost a router the same way because it was connected to the coax cable in the wall. My wife had full access to the router because she was on wifi, but I didn't because the cat 5 port I had my PC connected to got taken out. The moral of the story is always have everything you can connected to an uninterruptable power supply, and if possible, get some of those on-cable surge protectors. Those on-cable protectors install between the cable, and the router/modem coax input so if a surge hits it, the modem is protected. Of course, the best way to deal with any of it is to shut down, and unplug everything, but you might not be able to get to it in time. Usually if I hear thunder even remotely close I shut everything down, and either run my laptop until the storm passes, or I do this really weird thing I call "talk to my wife" LOL. Usually it consists of me yelling at her to get her ass back in the house because she's a huge lightning bug, and loves storms. 🤣
my sandis ssd ive had for 5 years as my boot drive would do this when i tried reformatting, and just once i swapped to my 1Tdrive it worked, was such a headache but glad to have finally retired that drive
I have that board since launch of the X570 platform. I also have the same RAM as the user and i had similar issues except it was that the ram needs 1.35V to operate and Auto setting only provides 1.200V stock, even with XMP. So i always have to remember to switch it to 1.35V when i update the BIOS otherwise i experience similar issues.
Broken cores. Disables some cores in the BIOS until it works. You've had this exact thing happen on several Ryzen rigs already. I've tried to reach out to tell you about it before but my comments were never seen.
@@lesthelegendofficial Correct, you can't fix broken cores unless they're 'only' degraded. Therefore, this is the way to go if you don't want to create a bunch of more e-waste.
@@b0ne91 yes it is you replace the faulty part and the issue is fixed, what you are suggesting does not fix the problem and can cause more issues down the road
@@lesthelegendofficial No, it can't. If something happens, like a fully degraded CPU, you can THEN change it out. But that's still not a fix. A fix would be indentifying the faulty component on a motherboard, GPU or RAM PCB, maybe changing a faulty IC if needed. Greg is very straightforward about not being able to do those things (and neither can I), but if you're coming in here claiming that disabling a dead core isn't a fix despite a 4C/8T CPU working just fine, then neither replacing an entire part of your PC. It might make your PC run again, but you didn't fix anything, you created more e-waste.
my GOD I had the exact same problem in an old rig back in December of last year and it was just a nightmare. only real difference was sometimes I'd actually get into Windows and be able to use it for awhile until it would just blue screen and attempt to reboot. I went through 3 different motherboards, tried every configuration possible, and eventually just gave up and ordered a new case, motherboard, and CPU all together. to this day I'm still not 100% sure what was wrong with that old rig but my best guess was the CPU got shorted by my former less than stellar PSU at some point and that led to it just randomly causing problems and crashing.
Check out Windows and many other products on Kinguin: kingu.in/gregsalazar and use code 'SALAZAR' for 14% off. Thanks for watching! This rig threw a proper curve-ball and it's one of the reasons I don't typically accept entries involving _(potentially)_ software issues. The viewer has not contacted me since, so I expect his system is still going strong! 💪
hey is there a way to contact you i had somone pretend to be you and try to scam me out of money for a prize for my comment on a previous post so was hoping to talk to you to see if its actualy you or not @gregsalazar
@@humphriesmotorsports53 Please use common sense when navigating online. Those accounts are not, in any way, associated with _this_ one. We are verified. They are not. We've never promoted any giveaway via Telegram or phone number. And we've never asked for money to ship anything to anyone in a giveaway setting.
@@GregSalazar i figured thank for confirming it seemed really off so I wanted to verify it was you they but i can tell now its not so thank you for confirming so i didn't get scammed they claimed being you and were going to send a new iPhone 14 and a mac book air or pro to me for being a subscribers
@@humphriesmotorsports53Yes, I had the same thing happen. It's a TH-cam fault. Scammers have found a way to use TH-camr's to get money out of people. But it is not Greg's fault. He has nothing to do with it. The fault lies with TH-cam themselves and they're not doing enough to stop that happening, just a load of empty promises from Zuckerberg and his crew.
@@jonathanmaybury5698 yea im not mad at greg he didnt do anything wrong if anything he helped prevent me from getting scammed so thank you for atleast getting back to me about it before it happened
I dont get why people are complaining about the lenght of the Videos, i love how you show us as much as possible.
I love the length of the videos I watch them at work
I like longer videos with fewer cuts because this way it is easier to follow everything and you can see the behavior in detail which will make it easier to potentially identify the same problem if you encounter it by yourself.
people have Tik Tok brain... they can't pay attention for the duration.
Right? The point is to learn. Not happy about the video don't watch.
I like longer videos more content always good
Greg, please continue showing everything. You're videos are not too long, and a service to the community. If they think it's too long, they can increase the playback speed, and miss everything you are saying.
yes he could do a on screen overlay of the steps and even do ome of them in high rate, with like 30 second that would show maybe 10 mins of standard checks and if he did not do something he could use a skipped like a PSU check if nit needed for the fix. you could use a google doc with the steps that 1. you viewers could suggest steps 2. after a bit could download to use on their own fixes
TikTok kids that have the attention span of 10 seconds, dont actually want to listen to anything, and want the Video to be over as fast as possible. Why even watch the Video then? 💀
I'm going to try to balance out the people complaining about "long" videos and complain that your videos are too short! I expect 6-9 hours of Greg every time a video is published on this channel. Riot if expectations are not met.
LOL 😂
@Greg Salazar I'm waiting for the first 9 hour installment of the "Smelly PC deep cleaning/bios flashing/MoBo swapping" series! NO EXCUSES GREG
me and this dude will coordinate our efforts longer videos or gtfo
@@accelement3499 This message 100% approved by OP
@@benbarclay3872 Install Windows 10 via 8.5 floppy. That will be a LONG video, I think the 8.5 floppy has a file size of 80KB?
Love these fix or flop videos
Ya me too....makes me reminisce about working in a shop in the early 2000s......
I like longer videos Greg I like to see everything happen don't worry about it. Keep the videos lengthy and detailed.
Same, these videos help me when I'm fixing friends computers.
Youre longer vids have quite literally helped me save several of my friends thousands! Knowing how things work and see things get fixed is great but the true art in these vids is the problem solving process. Thank you for all your wisdom Greg!
The case bottom filter appears to possibly be dust clogged at 14:01. The PSU voltages seem a bit low, so might want to use your PSU tester on it. The "Load Optimized Defaults" bios settings should help getting back to normal. Also: the "CSM Enabled" bios setting may have been required in order to get the PC owner's actual Windows boot drive to boot. Normally, it's best to leave in "CSM Disabled" mode, so the PC owner may need to re-install Windows while CSM is disabled, instead of enabled.
the dreaded csm enabled/disabled toggle
You make things look so relatively simple. At 74 I am a bit hesitant to to even try to correct my Windows Boot Failure in spite of watching various TH-cam "How to". I can simply hit Press Any Key To Continue and it boots right up. Annoying but beats screwing anything up in BIOS and not having a working computer. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing.
I had the same problem with my kiddos pc back when i was building his for his birthday. turned out to be a bad Drive and CPU. Talk about a massive headache and literally had me running circles thinking i did something wrong. But your videos are never to long keep up the good job Greg. Love the content.
The fan ramp-up is something I've seen on a few different AMD motherboards in CPU- and RAM-related crashes. As for this PC, the fact that disabling PBO fixed the issue tells me that this CPU a lemon or has been damaged. Sucks for the owner, there's a lot of performance left on the table for the 5950x if you can't run it with PBO enabled.
The CPU could have been crushed when the owner mounted the cooler and they are very lucky that it's still somewhat working. That was the biggest concern I had when I was building my new system with an AIO.
@@terminusaquo1980 You cant crush the CPU while mounting the cooler if your using the correct mounting hardware. Its just a bad CPU that got through QC or it had degraded over time.
Enabling PBO removes CPU warranty with AMD. The company is not really confident that their CPUs survive PBO.
@@j.p.h.8126 you can mount a cooler with too much pressure even with proper mounting hardware and it may cause issues, seen that before in some videos.
@@Django45 Depends on the CPU and the cooler but in this case no. You can bottom out the screws and it will not brake anything. Modern cooler mounting hardware have tight tolerances. Sure you can find a cooler with some janky mounts that can brake things. But EK is not one of those.
Best playlist on Gregs channel, always here for a Fix or Flop. Please continue the series
To those who are saying to speed it up and don't show so many steps,
You are missing the whole point of this series. this is about fixing computers, not seeing the fixed results.
We want to see the WHOLE process of what fixes computers, because somewhere down the road we were either get into computer repair business, seek for knowledge, or we just want to be able to troubleshoot our own issues better.
It's also enjoyable. I haven't found a single fix or flop episode that i disliked.
Thanks for the inspiration Greg! I helped a kid out last week, before Christmas, that had his gaming PC go down. Figured out that the motherboard was bad AND had a corrupt OS.
Took many hours of troubleshooting and teaching him what to try but we got it going.
Hey Greg, thanks to having watched so many of your fantastic Fix or Flop videos, I was actually able to identify the issue with my own PC. After upgrading CPUs, the CPU debug LED was always turning on. Because of you, I knew that the RAM could be the culprit and it was! The PC was only able to boot with one of my two DIMMs and after manually setting my DRAM voltages and enabling XMP, the system is now up and running with both of my sticks and XMP.
Thanks for these great videos
Glad that Greg's videos were able to help you. This is why we all love what he does... It educates us so if we run into an issue, we can fix it 😋
As the XMP Profile was set to 4000 MT/s, I suspect the CPU needed a bit more voltage to handle this kind of speeds.
Don't mind the people with low attention span. The reason why this series is so popular is your charisma and the way you conduct the troubleshooting process and take us along for the ride.
Keep it up Greg!
your videos actually help me with pc problems. i never have a problem with how long they are. its good to be thorough when its a pc. they do cost a hell of a lot when you think about it
I'm very thankful for this series, Greg. It's because of things like at 4:21. I was one of the people that thought that leaving it hanging like that was okay. It was a new M.2 and when I looked at the benchmarks, it was underperforming and overheating. I decided to put the extra screw that was in the motherboard box and voila! The temps are great and the benchmarks are where they are supposed to be. Thank you, Greg!
Now this is some good stuff... Good stuff means, issues usually I face that makes no sense . This is one of the best playlists on PCs!
@gregsalazar921 keep it... Merry Christmas 🎁 🤣🙌
Take as long as you need and film as much as you want, Greg. I just had the build from hell the other day and almost every single issue we encountered had an answer from your Fix or Flop series... _INCLUDING_ an unactivated copy of Windows 10. It was a 5600G going into a TUF Gaming X570 motherboard. The BIOS that shipped with it was from April of 2020, so it did not recognize the APU. We had to get a 3000 series AM4 CPU to update the BIOS because it does not have a flashback option. When that CPU arrived, several pins were bent and we had to bend them back. It was a nightmare, but I cannot stress how many times your name and this channel came up. Thank you.
There is no way people complain about 15 - 20 minutes of troubleshooting is too long when that's the whole point of the series. These are great, Greg! We're not just here to see if the system is fixable, but to actually see the processes you go through to troubleshoot and attempt to fix the PC. These videos help the rest of us by teaching how we can handle our own systems if something were to go wrong. I am sure most of us really want to see the whole process, rather than just the end point.
Hard agree about not making the videos shorter. I have had a couple of issues with a pc before and the stuff I learned from these videos was so helpful in diagnosing.
honestly, the longer the better if that means u show the whole process, afterall thats why i watch. so long as its not just draging it out with pointless things, ppl realy have no reason to complain imo... keep up the good work, learning a bit more with every episode 😊
I honestly love the length of the videos for FOF. You go into detail, I've run into similar problems with my own rig, with my friend's rigs and wouldn't know about how to fix it or little ways to fix it without the detail!
Fun Fact at 13:25 you could have repartition the drive using CMD or any 3rd party bootable software. The drive was a 1TB drive with 432GB Free. Just make enough of the 432GB unallocated space for windows to install then install windows and keep the "Big Games" partition.
its crazy to me how much content this playlist is pushing out! keep it up greg love the grind
Thanks, Greg! This video was the perfect length to show me something I didn't think to do when the boot drive on my new build failed after a few months. Instead of spending $16 and waiting for a USB NVME enclosure to confirm the failure using an old laptop I could have just plugged in my original boot media, confirmed the drive was toast, and requested the RMA the same day. Should have been obvious to me but it wasn't. Great tip! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to your family.
Please continue to show everything. The whole point of the series is for us to learn, and for others who may have similar issues watch and maybe get the fix they need. Seeing the whole process, and most importantly your thought process is more than a wealth of knowledge. If people aren’t happy, I think they just may be watching too many tik toks lol
I just went through a very similar situation with my 5950, Asus x570 Prime Pro, RTX 3070ti, Corsair Vengeance Pro 32gb 4 stick RAM. I figured the Boot drive was corrupted so I purchased new SAMSUNG EVO 970 2TB and install went off fine. After that juncture, everything looked good until about 3 days of COD play and I experienced random BSOD or crashes during play...Checked each stick of ram with Windows memtest. No issues found. At this point I swapped graphics card with my wifes RX 580. No crashes, no BSOD! Played COD on her PC (shhh) with my 3070ti. No crashes, no BSOD! That was a relief BUT.....two MOBOs are on order to replace the ASUS MOBO. BTW all drivers were updated for Nvidia and AMD and all updates to windows were complete to include optional. Fingers crossed! Grateful for your series Fix or Flop series which has given me more knowledge and thus able to troubleshoot with more confidence.
Love the length of these troubleshooting videos and the fact that you show everything.
Why would people complain about the length of these? I’ve watched them all every time and I enjoy it! It helps me for when I have issues with builds
Just built a rig for the first time thanks to vids like yours! I went with a i7 13700K, 7900xt, 32 gb of ram, 850 watt psu, aio, m.2 980 pro. Posted as soon as I turned it on! Loving it! Thanks for all the helpful videos bro!
It was good to see a nice sytem in this serie
Great video! If I were the owner, I would definitely put in a support bracket for the 3090 or mount vertically as it is already sagging several mm.s.
Yeah, that was the very first thing I noticed when he showed the inside
Don't worry about people complaining about your long video's. Your trying to teach us all something & I as a builder for 40 years will say this is how I learned. If they don't want to watch & learn, then they learn that much less :) ^5.
Had the same issue with my friends pc tried undervolting his cpu and it worked. But suggested him try removing the custom cables and set the cpu voltage to previous voltage and it worked. Just sharing, Thanks.
If the drive that's in there has a problem where the board could not recognize it right away or kept having to scan it repeatedly, that can lock up the pc. When you corrected that by reinstalling windows to where the bios did not have to keep scanning it, that fixed the lockup problem. You probably could have run disk repair and fixed it without having to delete anything. When any drive keeps sending back the wrong responses, that can lock up the bios. Also if the system is unstable you can drop back one frequency setting on the memory and fix it. My pc will not run stable on the memories highest frequency setting, so I have it one step down and it runs just fine.
One thing I've learned over the years is that some setups are picky about what they will run stable with regardless of what they are supposed to do. You sometimes have to go through several settings to see which is best to make it stable. Also running a pc on the edge of locking up such as overclocking to the max is bad. I find that if you go into the windows setting where you can actually set the percentage load on the cpu in the power settings. And set the cpu to 98 - 99% that on some rigs that really speeds things up and stops the screen jerks that can exist in games.
Think of the cpu load like pouring oil through a funnel into your car's engine. The oil represents the data flow to the cpu. Pour too fast and the oil backs up in the funnel like data can back up waiting in line to be processed. if the cpu cannot find what it need fast enough the screen jerks. Taking the power section in the windows power section and dialing the max cpu load to 99% or 98% will reduce the pouring of data to the cpu and problem solved. Because the line of data waiting to be processed is now much shorter and the cpu can find what it needs much faster. Over filling the cache with data causes this problem. Try it.
Setting back the load also can allow you to turn up the bios settings making the higher setting you could not use before now work. Over loading the cpu with data to be processed is often why some over clocking setting cause things to jerk quirk and lock up under load.
Greg I appreciate seeing you struggle with these PCs. It's makes it relatable and realistic that it's never simple and even someone as experienced as you gets challenged.
Hey Greg you do a great job, you should show the complete problem. Like you said we might run into a problem like this. Remember you can't make everyone happy, you're gonna get people that will complain. Just do your thing , trust me your videos are very good and informative.
The long videos aren’t an issue at all, it’s good to see the process I had a drive fail and my motherboard was showing a Gpu issue on boot, but after troubleshooting using your method it was my m.2, it’s good to see the process behind troubleshooting and when it isn’t what you expect what it could be
I find it interesting that you chose to use the Windows Setup program to look at the drive partitions. I was expecting you to at least hit F8 to open the command prompt and launch diskpart. Or perhaps fire up Hiren's Boot CD and use one of the partition managers. I get your goal was to be quick and dirty, but I feel like you get a lot more information from one of those other options.
Still, I love to watch these troubleshooting videos from you. Even after 30 years in IT, I can learn a lot from them.
That only really works if you have a working Windows install. Unless you mean loading the Windows installer to access the command prompt.
Or while at the Windows setup screen, press SHIFT+F10 and a CMD window will pop up and then diskpart can be used from there.
Your videos are never to long. I love to see every detail. Especially someone like me who is learning. Just Seeing how you operate the software along with the hardware is a huge help.
bro what!!! i love the long videos, im learning from these
I had a similar issue with a Ryzen 9 5950X with an OriginPC build that I bought last year. Popped up pretty quickly and required a CPU replacement and also (apparently) an AIO replacement. It took forever to get my system back despite it being a "priority" repair order. Ever since they replaced the CPU it's been going strong.
Thankfully I don't do as much computer tech support for family members these days, but these videos help keep my diagnostic skills sharp should I need them in the future. I've learned a lot from the FOF series and appreciate you not omitting any details and showing the whole process.
I don't know, but 4 sticks of DDR4 at 4000 MT/s CL17-18-18-38 as per @12:18 is both ambitious (load-wise on the I/O die) and a terrible idea (because of Infinity Fabric down-clocking) for a Zen 3 rig. Resetting RAM to JEDEC (and then potentially working up to 3600 or maybe 3800 MT/s) would have been high on my priority list when trying to diagnose random crashes under these circumstances.
I agree the fclk down clocking desync results in horrible performance. op would be much better off shooting for something like 3600 16-16-16-16 as a safe number and be able to have 1:1 fclk and mem clock sync. 4000 m/t its self is normaly stable though and at the start he was trying to boot with just jdec and no xmp/docp
The length of the videos is just fine. Troubleshooting takes time, and you leave just enough detail to really show the work it takes.
I've not checked other comments.
If already said I apologize.
But if you press shift F10 on the first windows setup screen it gives access to a CMD prompt.
From here, obviously, you can access diskpart etc.
Alternatively you can run notepad as a gui and use open to examine the contents of the drive
Can you do a full video on the stress testing you did? Also maybe go through fan settings? I have a mobo that has fan tuning options but I usually just sent them manually because the tuned options don't seem to work well.
I like it when you keep the full video. I built my own pc for the first time 2 yeas ago. It restarted over and over again. Turned out i mounted the io wrong. The cooler did not touch the cpu. Fixed it and it is stil running fine after the years. So it is nice to see the full video.
People wank about anything and everything. Do what you do and ignore the haters. Many love your videos and find them helpful, so keep doing what you’re doing.
I love longer videos. Much more engaging and realistic. Keep up the great work Gregg.
Man, I could just watch Fix or Flop all day, every day!
I thought this PC belonged to Internet Historian, I'm kinda disappointed.
I thought the same, but after a closer look i realized it's the head of the meme personality "hide your pain harold" (or the eletrical engineer named András István Arató) which is what i strongly believe is what the internet historian's cartoon character is based on.
So i guess that misinterpretation is on us 🤷♂️
Huh?😂
He stopped being funny years ago.
@@kellyshea92 what’s going on
@@kellyshea92 damn bro, you're missing out on some good stories
Wow..this what all this is about ..the details..this will save someone alot of money..have you checked PC repair prices lately..omg..so what I've seen on this channel has saved me some cash over the years....don't worry about trolls..you just keep doing this awesome job 👏 👍 😀 👌
I had issue with overheating SSD like two days ago. Temperature was like 60C at idle and it was mounted at the exact same spot, right below the CPU. Im confident that it was due to the graphic card was very near to it from the bottom - even nearer than in this case (B650E-E),
I switched to the bottom slot and temperature dropped from 60C to 38C.
Cheers and thanks for the vid. :)
What kind of GPU/CPU and cooling do you have, because 60C at idle is way too much. I have 1 NVMe between my CPU and GPU and 1 NVMe right under my GPU and none of them hit 60C even while the PC is under load. Your temps seem extremely sussy.
@@lycanthoss yeah definitely something not right, Either with the position or the SSD itself or maybe slot is faulty, might be pwoer delivery issue too. 7950x with H170I elite capellix and 4090. I had a lot of crashes last day during gaming, most of the lately because of GPU driver crashing. So I excluded that "hot" ssd from my rig (it was a OS disk) and got back to WIN10 and installed it on another brand new SSD. All looks fine so far.
I am entertained, though I am no technician but I maintain my own computers and lappies. I find satisfaction in them and watching this series gave me more satisfaction.
Mr. Salazar , I like the way you show how you Check everythng ,I get to learn a lot , the long one just take a Break and come back..
Honestly I like the longer videos, I love troubleshooting so I appreciate seeing all the symptoms and hearing you run ideas
I have watched all of these videos in about 4 days. keep them coming greg!
I have the same case, I went with the NH-C14S for a cooler with two 120mm fans set to exhaust. My temps are good but mine sits on a desk.
Man, I just went through this exact problem with my pc. 5950x as well. Took ram out and reinstalled and replaced the cmos battery. It seems to have worked.
My usual hdd diagnostic method a USB drive with Ubuntu install media, it will allow you to boot off it without installing and test the hard drives, from there you can SMART test, format etc.
fix or flop is my favorite tech series on YT. Keep up the great work Greg!
hi greg love ya content hope u and family had a great christmas
Currently suffering from a sinus infection, but binge watching your videos are making it a little better.
I had a similar issue when I built my current rig last year. It was the drive I intended to use as a boot drive. Aside from my rig exhibiting similar behavior to the one in this video, the drive got ridiculously hot quickly, and displayed consistent symptoms on different motherboards. Thankfully, I was able to return it, and exchange it for a good one. It was a Sabrent Rocket 4.0 1TB. I've used them multiple times, and that was the only time one came defective, in my case.
I had the same problem with a gigabyte motherboard x570 and it turned out to be fast boot. If fast boot was enabled it would not see the drive. Once I disabled fast boot, it worked
Love these and the pcdc. I submitted a pcdc, hoping to hear back, fingers crossed
When this happened to me, it was a corrupted OS. I fought the issue for a year before just doing a fresh installation of Windows OS. A lot of Gigabyte and MSI boards seems to have issues with M.2 drivers as well. They'll randomly "lose" connect and freeze BSOD your system. The other issue with a lot of MSI boards is that, even though they are capable, won't allow and update to Windows 11. Everything meets criteria for Win 11, but just won't update.
remember to barebone check system. ( one part connected at a time)always do one after the other until your stable. the main drive missing is a dead give away. good job getting there.
I think the real value about those videos are the journey and not the destination. So I think a lengthy video is better than one that "gets to point"
Nice to see you managed to get the system back up. One other thing I'd check on the NVME just to rule it out is if the drive is configured for ACHI or RAID as if it's set on one or the other and windows was installed on ACHI the system won't boot if the drive is configured to use RAID
I upgraded (lol) recently to a Dell T3610 for £50 and found it was set to use RAID. The Google fix to get it to boot again after changing to AHCI was just to start in safe mode once.
I eventually did a fresh Win 10 install anyway after upgrading Win 8 in-place to get the free licence. It was a real headache trying to navigate Win 8 and after the upgrade it had an Nvidia BSOD once too.
I really enjoy this video series. I've learned a bunch. I did notice, however, that you missed an opportunity at 4:35 into the video. You mention that the standoff for the NVMe is missing and you go and rob one off of another old board, when the standoff is just to the left of the 2280 spot at the 22110 spot. Just an observation.
The videos are great don’t change nothing about them!! I enjoy the details
I have no problem with your length of videos, I watch, and I enjoy.
4:21 LITERALLY HAD THIS EXACT SAME ISSUE YESTERDAY! Randomly doesn't detect my OS or SSD entirely.
Stupidly enough, I did this on my main rig. I've been building PCs for well over 15 years...
Mistakes still happen, but that was kinda stupid of me to miss.
I had a similar problem happen about a year ago .
And it end up being a memory communication problem .
Reset the timings and it was all sweet 👍
Love this series. Also dont mind the long videos. Usually that means shit is baaaaad and we are going on a long and interesting journey of tech fixery :) .
Honestly learned about 70 % of things I know about PC’s from this channel so make the videos as long and in depth as you damn well please
Full length videos shows all the troubleshooting, it's very helpful
I also love the videos uncut as possible. Seeing your process makes things so interesting. ✨️ 😌
Keep up the great work sir!! 👍 👏
I prefer you show everything. It does help with similar troubleshooting.
It´s so important to have a post code display on the motherboard!
Honestly if u don't like it dont watch it I would rather a a full somewhat detailed reason in things for my learning purposes even tho that's just me now y'all so understandable but I would rather have that then a half ass explanation and everything for someone who is want to learn all there can and wanting to be a future it like me I love it don't stop for no one Greg u got the real one watching right here hope ur Christmas was amazing
I have no problem with the video length. Troubleshooting is a process and understanding the paths and conclusions are important.
I'm fine with the length of the videos in the Fix or Flop series. A suggestion I can give to help in checking for problems is to have a flashdrive with HBCD_PE (Hiren's BootCD PE) as it has a bunch of tools preloaded that can be used to diagnose PC problems and you can boot directly to it and its Windows 10 environement. The ISO is about 2.9gb.
I use it myself mostly for diagnosing drive related issues and as an environment to boot to when things go wonky so files can be backed up without booting on the OS on a faulty drive.
I love these videos , could help you solve problems with your own PC.
keep it up Greg , love the contents ,Sending love n supports from Malaysia
Recently I bought a Ryzen 9 5950x and it did the same thing. I came to find out that Amazon sold it with overclock on. Had to turn it off in the bios and it runs fine.
If shaky face can't sit still for 20 minutes to learn something they can go watch a 30 second TikTok hack and break their pc entirely.
You should also got into Control Panel & into Power options & make sure your in High performance mode & check the settings for Monitor & Hard drive shutdown time. By default one or both settings may be set to 15 mins. Change it to never.
great video sir these kinds of problems are very common with PCs and they can do your head in thank you
I had this exact issue with an AMD Athlon XP chip, and turns out that's what was causing the issue. I pulled the CPU, and replaced it with my 1GHz Duron, and it worked fine from there. Had a similar issue with my 8320 as well. With that one it was a power outage that caused the CPU to fail. Even though I had my system attached to a surge protector it still got taken out. Lost a router the same way because it was connected to the coax cable in the wall. My wife had full access to the router because she was on wifi, but I didn't because the cat 5 port I had my PC connected to got taken out.
The moral of the story is always have everything you can connected to an uninterruptable power supply, and if possible, get some of those on-cable surge protectors. Those on-cable protectors install between the cable, and the router/modem coax input so if a surge hits it, the modem is protected. Of course, the best way to deal with any of it is to shut down, and unplug everything, but you might not be able to get to it in time.
Usually if I hear thunder even remotely close I shut everything down, and either run my laptop until the storm passes, or I do this really weird thing I call "talk to my wife" LOL. Usually it consists of me yelling at her to get her ass back in the house because she's a huge lightning bug, and loves storms. 🤣
my sandis ssd ive had for 5 years as my boot drive would do this when i tried reformatting, and just once i swapped to my 1Tdrive it worked, was such a headache but glad to have finally retired that drive
Love the content at 5am before training. Thanks man and happy holidays!
I have that board since launch of the X570 platform. I also have the same RAM as the user and i had similar issues except it was that the ram needs 1.35V to operate and Auto setting only provides 1.200V stock, even with XMP. So i always have to remember to switch it to 1.35V when i update the BIOS otherwise i experience similar issues.
Broken cores. Disables some cores in the BIOS until it works. You've had this exact thing happen on several Ryzen rigs already. I've tried to reach out to tell you about it before but my comments were never seen.
That’s not a fix
@@lesthelegendofficial Correct, you can't fix broken cores unless they're 'only' degraded. Therefore, this is the way to go if you don't want to create a bunch of more e-waste.
@@lesthelegendofficial PS replacing broken parts isn't a "fix" either
@@b0ne91 yes it is you replace the faulty part and the issue is fixed, what you are suggesting does not fix the problem and can cause more issues down the road
@@lesthelegendofficial No, it can't. If something happens, like a fully degraded CPU, you can THEN change it out.
But that's still not a fix. A fix would be indentifying the faulty component on a motherboard, GPU or RAM PCB, maybe changing a faulty IC if needed.
Greg is very straightforward about not being able to do those things (and neither can I), but if you're coming in here claiming that disabling a dead core isn't a fix despite a 4C/8T CPU working just fine, then neither replacing an entire part of your PC. It might make your PC run again, but you didn't fix anything, you created more e-waste.
my GOD I had the exact same problem in an old rig back in December of last year and it was just a nightmare. only real difference was sometimes I'd actually get into Windows and be able to use it for awhile until it would just blue screen and attempt to reboot. I went through 3 different motherboards, tried every configuration possible, and eventually just gave up and ordered a new case, motherboard, and CPU all together. to this day I'm still not 100% sure what was wrong with that old rig but my best guess was the CPU got shorted by my former less than stellar PSU at some point and that led to it just randomly causing problems and crashing.