@@Carlos.Rivera It's an entry level car, so it's always going to be cheap. Plus, even if it stayed at higher prices people with questionable taste are still going tog et involved, use wood screws to mount stuff, and attempt to turn the car into a NOPI Nationals fever dream crossed with an Instagram render but made entirely out of bare fiberglass and bondo. Tbh, we want that. It means the aftermarket won't disappear, that we'll keep having choices for mods. It means we might see a third generation once this one is facelifted. Yeah, some cars will get riced out and modded by high schoolers with no tools, planning, or willingness to put in the effort to do it right, but that's been happening since the car was introduced in 2012. Buy one and keep it nice, do things right, and it'll stand out. Mine is now 9 years old and stands out as a clean car because people have had a decade to mess them up.
I got to sit in one at a local car show. It was actually quite a bit nicer on the inside than the previous generation. Also, of course, the exterior looks WAY better, too (imo). If I wasn't obsessed with aiming for huge power numbers with all wheel drive (saving up for an RS3) then I'd totally get the GR86. Sweet little car.
Hi, from Japan!! You have been saying “ winter tires for winter “ for us. You really think about us. Thank you. I have an experience that I was stacked in snow at Tokyo. My car was Mazda RX8 with normal tires. I couldn’t make the car move even just a little. I had to left the car and took a train to get home. I cannot forget the moment many cars passed me even cheap little FF cars. Therefore, I really understand the importance of wearing winter tires. By the way, Japanese car manufacturers have responsibility to build cars which lights turn on every moments for safety so I think you cannot turn off the lights.
They call them "winter" or 'snow" or "ice' tires in North America. They are vital to getting around in the snow belt areas when temperatures drop below 0 celsius or snow begins to accumulate. You are 100% correct - Summer tires are virtually useless in winter conditions - low profile wide tires summer tires are even worse because they increase the surface area which creates less weight per square inch transferred to the road.
@@TerryManitoba These are tires with the Mtn flake logo that are mandatory here in Québec from déc. 1 to mid mars & I think that's the only place in NA that requires us to do that. Vital like you mention but not if you not going outside big cities .
@@oi32df BUYER beware - I have 3 peak tires that are OK in winter conditions (K02's) & I have 3 peak tires that are optimize for winter driving (Nokian Hakkapeliitta R5) Gold Standard Son... Big difference between the two.
Thank you guys for all your coverage on the GR86. I owned a GT86 and ordered a GR86 as soon as I could here in Switzerland. Had to wait unexpectedly a bit longer than anticipated, but I finally got my car in the first days of October 22. It is my daily driver and as a motorcyclist I dare say the Toyota GR86 is one of a very few cars that I fully enjoy driving every day, every hour and every minute. I love this car so much. Thank you Akio Toyoda!
@@veganjoy Hard to tell, since I've sold the GT nine months before I got the GR, and in comparison with the cars in between the GR is a revelation for sure. 🙂 I'd say the significant motor upgrade outweighs any potentially different steering feel by far.
How much did you pay in CHF if i may ask by ordering it directly from toyota? Because right now its more expensive here than the original price of 30k. I really want one as well and was hoping for a second hand soon but I’ll probably have to wait 1-2 more years for that.
@@judaiyuukii In Switzerland, it was never the equivalent to 30k-33k USD. In Q1 2023, prices have been adjusted for inflation (1000 CHF up), so the actual price for a GR86 MT premium model is now around 42.5k CHF (depending on your choice of colour). I guess that makes a private cross-country import option not very attractive. Today, there are 15 new GR86's on the Swiss car market readily available (base and premium models combined). And you could order one, of course.
@@MrMaik77 oh ok thanks for the info i thought in the US it was 29 uds so with accounting for the swiss prices i guessed it to be around 35. Well then i gotta hope that a few used once for close to 30k will be available soon. Would you in your opinion, as someone who owns it, still recommend getting it for the current price of 35-42k CHF? I read somewhere that they won’t sell the 86 from 24 onwards in Europe so I’m thinking the car might even be harder to get. I am thinking about selling my current car and covering the rest by finance. Also did you get the premium version? Sry for asking so many questions at once 😅.
This car is honestly my dream car. I know hate me all you want, but it’s a beautiful car. Also I’m a local from around the PC area and these 86 videos have proved that I want this car even more. Winter or not.
Before you guys sell it, could you meet up with the savagegeese guys and see how all four of you like stock vs mods and rate the mods and whether they’re worth it?
Savagegeese guys are in far west suburbs of Chicagoland area, while EverydayDriver is based in Utah…..I’d say it’s highly unlikely that either one of them is up for a 2,000 mile road trip in winter for a “meetup”
@@jameswillard1 I know. But, they all travel a lot. And sometimes go to the same press releases. So it may work. Or May work to meet at a track halfway or something.
I live in a town where everyone drives a sportscar (mostly muscle cars) in summers and big ass trucks in winter. The number of thumbs ups I get driving the gr86 around in winter is amazing. I like the car significantly better in winter too. Slides on demand!
9:50 The low stress aspect is really what I love so much about my Mustang coming from Audi/VW. It is comforting to know that my local mechanic can handle anything I'm likely to need done to the car.
Picking up one of these has been the best "big" purchase I've ever made. They're absolutely right about the driving dynamics being fun even not at the limit. While these certainly aren't rare cars, since they've been tough to get, it still feels special driving it every day, and anyone else driving one is always excited to chat if you pull up next to each other at a light. Do yourself a favor, if you're thinking about buying one of these, buy it!
@@zydomason Wow! I didn't realize they were so uncommon in Europe. When I say aren't rare, I mean here in my locale. They aren't a common sight, but are also something you can just go and order as long as you have the patience for the backlog that every dealer seems to have on them.
@@zydomason Depends on the dealer for the GR86. Some Toyota dealers do MSRP, some do 30%+ markup. If its a BRZ there are no markups. Subaru of America released a directive to its dealers to stop all markups around a year ago. They said it was out of line with their company ethos. A friend of mine was able to get a BRZ at MRSP just a few months ago with no trouble.
@@DJ_Fuji I got a 4K markup on my BRZ 😢 first new car and biggest purchase I’ve ever made. Worth it. Just wish I didn’t pay so much on top of doing lease to buy. Got shafted.
Can't afford one at brand new prices but as soon as these hit the three year old mark & people start returning their 2022 leases on these I'm definitely gonna buy one 💯
Do it! I actually sat in one of the first FR-S's when getting my wife a Highlander sometime in 2014. I had never seen one before. My son (age 12 or 13 at the time) was with me and I said, "This could be the perfect 'first car' once there are some used ones 3-4 years old in the marketplace". And, you guessed it, his first car was (and still is after 4 years) an FR-S (2015). He loves it, and so do I. We did a track weekend together at VIR soon after getting it, so he learned to drive it at the limit in bone-stock form. Over time, he has all but completely fixed the power/torque issue with headers, a tune, and flash, dropped it one inch while adding a set of good coil-overs and some nice, slightly wider wheels. That car is the PERFECT "86" for its model year, and I'd bet damn close to this new one! Anyhow, just my way of saying "Stick to your dream, Rob Moore, and anyone else in your shoes. You won't regret it!" And of course, you'll be getting the "perfected" model, so no need to spend a dime more than the car's price unless you want some nice wheels --- and maybe a couple stickers to help it go just a little faster than the others - lol. Cheers! Side note: I lucked into a low-mile S2000 about 5 years ago before prices started really shooting up. As much as I adore that car, I've been considering selling it and rolling the $ into a new-era GR86 - and that's based on my appreciation of the original one!
Good luck, I have a 22 BRZ and it's going to the grave with me. If I blow the engine after warranty I'll swap it. Nothing will make me get rid of this car.
I just bought a 2024 GR86 with the "Premium" trim earlier today, in the color "Steel" and OF COURSE with three pedals! - I went in to put a down payment towards a GR Corolla and sign up for the wait list (estimated 2-3 year wait)...While waiting I ended up test driving an 86, and decided I had to go home in one. What a fantastic platform, I am so excited for this spring and summer!
Congratulations! We loved owning this car and were sad to see it go. In fact both our guys would own another one. We hope you have great adventures in it. Thanks for watching!
@@DatGuyArad It has been nothing but an absolute blast, taken it on a couple multi state road trips. It has been beyond pure joy, couldn't imagine how fun tracking it would be!! I am just afraid that it's a ticking time bomb as a lot of people are experiencing very early engine failure and Toyota is making it difficult to warranty. Have to religiously check the oil level, and keep it a tiny bit over filled for safety. But it truly is such a fun and perfectly balanced chassis. I have never driven anything like this car!
As a BRZ owner myself I greatly appreciate the last segment of the video. I haven't had the opportunity to drive many sports cars in my life, so to know I have something special is good validation. It truly is a joy to drive and I get excited every time I get behind the wheel.
I knew it would happen sooner or later, but still sad to see it go. Hopefully it will still make it to some of your upcoming adventures!! Once again another great video. Paul
Hi Paul. If you had a 19 or newer miata rf, and fit well in it, and were willing to do tires, front sway bar and some moderate coilovers, would you still pick the brz over the rf if you didn’t need more room for a daily?
Highly agree with everything said here. I daily my 370z year round. And its been absolutely phenomenal in the winter.. i run Nokian Hak 10's and there is no where i havent been able to get. Ski resort trips, deep snow dumps, its taken it all and been great
I daily'd my manual 09 S/T 370z for 5 years. Bought a Lexus GX a few months ago and am now turning the Z into a trackday/occasional street car. About to put it on Z1 R-Pro coilovers and their complete adjustable suspension kit + sway bars. Gonna be a good spring/summer!
How old are you kids that comment on car videos? Twelve? "I daily my 370Z year round" ?! WTH does that mean? You drive your car as opposed to having it displayed in a museum? I swear 1/2 the comments have "as well", "daily" or "I drive THE (fill in the blank make/model) in them.
Mine is my daily. You have to approach it with a right mindset - it is "cheap" sports car, so it will be loud inside, maybe panels will creek, and engine sometimes sounds like a tractor. But once you get it going, everything fades away.
Heartily agree with the attractiveness of driving a light RWD car in Winter conditions. My first car ever was an MGB which I daily drove through college. Then (much) later I bought a new 2001 Miata, and daily drove that in all 4 seasons for 17 years. Loved it all along, and with winter tires it handled snow fine. (Up until the snow was deep enough to drag on the underbelly. At a certain point ground clearance becomes an issue.)
Deep snow is likely one of the biggest Impediment. Depending where you are - that may only be an issue a few times a year. To date - I have yet to have any deep snow issues this winter with my Fiesta ST...
I can see ground clearance being an issue if you need to drive any country/rural roads, for sure. Fwiw though, I live in a Canadian city, we had one of our worst winters in history for snowfall last year, and I only got stuck in the Miata once in a residential area (which was, thankfully, easily resolved by a friendly passerby giving me a push). Haven't gotten into any trouble at all this winter. City roads get driven on/plowed enough to be a minor issue.
@@kevinandrew_ City roads don't aways get cleared that quick during a blizzard so you could see deeper snow.- especially back lanes!. But that's the beauty of a light car that gets stuck - it is way easier to get unstuck with 1 or 2 people pushing.
@@TerryManitoba A fellow Manitoban?! Yes that is completely true, my other post being oversimplification. It takes a bit of skill, throttle control, proper winter tires, patience, and just general winter driving experience to know which line to take/keep forward momentum in deep snow/don't park in a back lane if a storm is coming, etc to stay out of trouble with a sports car. I just find it funny when people look at me like I'm crazy, but really I have just as much ground clearance as anyone in a civic/camry/whatever generic sedan, of which there are tens of thousands of in the city. Just the extra step of needing to mitigate potential oversteer. It's more work for sure, but not impossible as some people make it out to be. (Also helps if you, like me, have another car to drive when it gets really, really bad lol, but again no issues this year)
Thank you for all your videos. I watch your gr86 vids like every few months. I love the comparisons to porsches and nissan z etc. Exactly what i wonder about
I bought one too in part from your recommendation 6 months ago. It is my only car and I am so glad I did. I find any excuse to go out somewhere. Going to the grocery store is something I get excited about. I definitely have the disease now. I'll miss seeing it on your videos, but it was a good run.
I resonated with everything you guys talked about from start to finish. It has been a treat to watch all of your videos on the car along with all the podcast discussions. It truly is like an old friend and the defacto benchmark vehicle when looking at other cars. Thank you for the excellent content fellas :)
Thank you for sharing this car with us and for the honest, high-quality content! I put a deposit on a GR86 in October and have rly enjoyed watching these videos during my wait... still waiting.
I appreciate the content around the 86. The reviews/videos on here are what I saw first before I eventually bought mine, and I don't regret it. Thank you.
Thank you for touching on what makes a sports car completely acceptable winter transportation: if you can feel and understand what the car is doing all the time, you don't need fancy AWD systems. Good snow tires, bag of sand in the trunk, and a careful right foot.
Winter here isn't nearly as harsh, but I definitely have found myself wanting a heated steering wheel. I've made do with pointing the blowers at my hands.
This is the only model I’ve rented on Turo twice (and I have 23 trips there). I just can’t stop thinking about GR86. I would’ve already bought it if I could had found one without $7,5k+ markup.
Own a 2014 BRZ from new here in Sydney. Few mods here and there to improve handling and feel otherwise stock power. Its still even on the OG set of wheels, tirers and brake pads. Love the thing to bits.Keeper for life.
Where the hell am I going in my car? Loool my goodness, I got mine at the end of January as well and I'm sitting at 20k miles. I'm sad to see it go, i almost wish it stayed for more adventure or development alongside mine but the show must go on! Great wrap up!
So glad you'll be using this as a benchmark for others. The car and Toyota EARNED it, and others need to learn from their example. Long-live the front-engine, rear drive, REAL sports cars!
Personally, bumping down to 16s with high performance snow tires, while softer was more to my taste for the winter part of the year. Maybe one year I'll try out oversized and try a bit more of a Porsche safari style setup for the winter, those look fun!
I like taller tires for clearing deep snow. If deep snow is not a common occurrence a high performance winter tire might be fun - but I wouldn't do it.
@@oregonhighway General Altimax Studded Winter tire. They are on there 9th winter & have lost all their studs & most of the sips & plenty of the flexibility - but they still work OK. I will have to get a new pair for next year.
Have a 2022 WRX which has the same signal stalk actuation and had heard from many on TH-cam about it…it’s nothing, a complete non-issue. Just touch it to get 3 blinks and hit it for a turn. If the turn is not deep enough to reset then touch it the other way and it cancels. I chose the poverty spec WRX so that I could have the horsepower and awd necessary to have WRC type fun in the ice, snow, and dust as well as track days and the like…all for the same price (or less) than the GR86/BRZ (it’s Canada, your pricing may differ elsewhere)…and I haven’t been disappointed. Glad to see you guys enjoying the car all year long.
Bought a silver 2016 BRZ Limited with 13,800 miles in October of last year. It's my daily driver in Minnesota and has been great. I don't have a garage, so it's parked outside every day. I did get one of those windshield and side mirror covers to keep those from freezing over or having excessive snow built up - that has been my best accessory purchase. I love driving this car and I look forward to keeping it for years. It's unmodded so far - I think I might get an equal-length header and have it tuned for 91 octane gas since we don't have 93 octane around here. I might get some wider wheels and tires, but that's probably well down the line if it happens at all. I highly recommend it to anyone looking for a great driving experience.
I live in Minnesota as well. I take it you would not recommend the Miata soft top? Can you use regular unleaded gas for the BRZ? Cause you can with Miata.
@@shittywheelies7403 No, I didn't put a price in the post. The other person must have mistaken the mileage for the price. I paid $24,000 all in. But it had less than 14,000 miles, only two previous owners, clean title, and no accidents, so it was worth it to me.
@@chrisx5127 I don't like convertibles in general. And I sure as hell wouldn't be able to fit comfortably in a Miata. But if you can, and really want one, go for it. It would definitely be fun/interesting in winter if you drive it year-round. The FA20D and FA24D engines in the BRZ have a 12.5:1 compression ratio and are meant to use 93 octane gas, but the manual says you can use 91 octane with no adverse effects.
What an AMAZING car! I still appreciate the fact that fun cars like this are still being sold today and if we want that to continue, find a way to buy one and support these car companies.
@@chrisx5127 Agreed. I think it is the politicians. With all the politicians pushing EVs and kill switches in cars there is a fear that these fun haseline powerd cars will no longer be made so people are snatching them up and the supply cannot keep up with demand.
I bought and have been daily driving a 2013 FRS 5 years ago because of your reviews and it's been maybe the best purchase I've ever made. Absolutely love that car and am going to be driving it til the wheels fall off
Completely agree about the turn signal. I know, first world problems but there is/was no reason to switch away from the traditional European flick (activates the quick 2-3 second signal) to the full click (to keep the signal on).
Amen on driving a sports car in the winter - with good winter tires. I daily drive an ND1 Miata for 4 years, including through 4 northern Ohio winters. People thought I was crazy, but tires and the car’s balance (weight distribution) are everything when it comes to winter handling. I’m glad you guys have had such a good with with the GR86. I thought about buying one last year, but it just wasn’t the car for me. I still enjoyed all your videos on it though, so thanks for those!
I used to have a G35 Coupe and that thing put the fear of death in me driving it during the winter. I nearly wrecked it going 40mph in semi slick conditions and after that it became a 3 season car for me. Kudos to you guys for enjoying winter driving in a RWD sports car
It’s called tires. It’s not the car. You were probably broke and could barely afford that car when you had it, so I wouldn’t doubt you were rolling through snow on cheap, 1/2 tread or less, tires, hence why it was sketch.
Winter driveng was one of the most concern about this car, but I finally ordered and next week I'll go to dealer to take my nwe GR86. I'm really excited... Great video, thank you.
Owned the 1st gen (I.e. 2013) “86”… and I miss it so much. Sure it wasn’t fast, but my g*d it was fun. The seats, handling, rear wheel drive etc all added up to an amazing daily driver without any of the costs of more expensive sports cars. I honestly did miss a little more power, but it really wasn’t the end of the world in 90% of situations.
Just wanted to say I own a GR86 now, and I really appreciated both Everyday Driver and SavageGeese's videos on it. Made me very aware of what I was getting into. Thank you! And also, still loving it!
Excellent video. You and a few other reviewers had pushed me to ordering its twin, the BRZ (markups are ridiculous for the GR86) it will be my first RWD, and it's great to hear you enjoyed this car a lot.
I drove an RX8 for a couple of winters and it was so much fun. I could also see it rust right in front of my eyes even it was sprayed with protective mass. Would not do that again now.
I just picked up my 2024 GR86MT Neptune & I can’t thank you guys enough for all the information that helped to inform my decision. I’m having a blast driving this baby… I’m dying to get past that 1000 mile break-in.
Daily drive my Mazda Miata ND RF in the winter. And with 50% of the weight on snow tires with a limited slip differential, it has plenty of traction to get going. And all cars have 4 wheel brakes.
This is my absolute dream car, it is just so lovely, if this driving experience was offered for $100k it would probably be normal, but offering all of this for $30k? Amazing. When I get to afford one of these I don't think I'll ever need another fun car. (But keep in mind, I have a special conection with the 86 since it is the first car I truly loved.)
@Paul Brieck I bought it cause it's what I wanted, and I bought it back in December of 21. Mines number 86 oddly enough, first shipment to the US. I found a dealer willing to work with me for the price I wanted. You are allowed to haggle. Also, USAA pre approved gets me the 3%.
@Paul Brieck I never planned to sell it for a profit. Practically nobody does when buying a new car cause rarely will it even be an option. The moment you drive a new car off the lot it's lost a couple thousand in value. At least pre covid. I'll keep it for now, but I've had my eye on other things that would be far more impractical of me to buy if I were to sell.
Another great video! I always love the scenery. I'm less exuberant driving my MX-5 in slippery weather than y'all but cold weather driving with the top down and the heat cranked up is wonderful.
I’m unlikely to ever buy one of these, but I love that they exist. All cars are getting bigger, heavier and more complex (and/or electric). This is a pure driver’s car at a great price.
I grew up in Mtl in the 60's and 70's and like thousands of people I learned to drive big American RWD barges with snow tires only on the back so I won't be afraid to pass a Québec winter in this Toyobaru equip with the mandatory ( here ) 4 snow tires.
As a brand new owner of a '23 Toyota GR86 premium, i can vouch for this. You have to get behind the wheel of one to fully embrace it in all levels. Looks and feels 1,000% better in person which made the whole thing that much better to own. Do yourselves a favor and hunt one down and test drive the GR86. It's a fun, great handling, stylish coupe for the money. I'd compare it to a high octane go-kart, moves when you want it and looks good while doing so. Thanks for listening to my TED talk 😂
Do you run Studless Snow Tires in Utah? I live in Alaska, where road salts are used 6 months a year, and Studs are a must for most people, but on my FWD HONDER's, I run Studs up front, summers in back, and the opposite for my Chevy pickup. When I drive my truck in winter, I want the front and to grip for steering, and the ass end to slide. 4WD is only used if I'm in more than 6" of snow
We don't. Studs are really only necessary if you deal with a lot of ice, which isn't something we get very much of here despite the amount of snow we get.
I love driving mine!! And I'm still driving it in winter too. Except in heavy snowy days. Even with winter tires. Didn't want to go in the ditch again.
I drove a Genesis Coupe year-around for over ten years. It was fun in the snow and I often passed SUVs plodding along. For the record, I have lived in a number of heavy-snow regions so I am pretty skilled with winter driving. In 2020 I wanted one of the Toybaru twins and could not find a manual within a days drive for weeks / months. Eventually, I test drove a Veloster N. I know, it is driving the wrong wheels, but that car made me a convert. What fun!
The biggest problem with this car (and the BRZ) is that they are near impossible to get. Have talked to both Toyota and Subaru dealers near me and both have said that even larger dealerships are only seeing less than 10 cars a year for each model (base/premium). I ended up going with BRZ because supposedly they were slightly “easier” to get and have had a deposit with them since beginning of September 22’ and still don’t have a car or even know when I will have one. I ordered a Premium 6-Spd and they told me that Subaru just recently actually stopped producing base models altogether so even with just one model they can’t deliver cars
I just got the BRZ limited 6mt and it has surprisingly mature feeling with very satisfying performance. I went with the better local dealership and whoever got the car first at msrp on Subaru vs. Toyota!
I've had a 2014 Fiesta ST from new. I can't recall how many times I've told people that this is the most fun winter car I've "EVER" driven (a/w studded ice tires - of course-:) It is not a RWD car but the manual emergency brake helps with that. (not ideal but good fun NTL) I drive my 911 in summer... So I agree - a light - less expensive - powerful enough car makes for a great winter car. BTW - I get 24 mpg & I don't ever hold back. BTW2 - I've got a GR Corolla on order....
Thanks for your videos comparing the Miata and GR86. Ended up going with the GR86 after having a Saturn Sky for a long time and thinking that the Miata was just an upgraded more expensive/modernized Sky. As a daily driver its really nice for practicality and did really well in winter in Albany with a set of winter tires on it.
Man, I'm so tempted to get one of these.. I have a few cars on my list but everything I watch or read about this one keeps putting it to the top of my list.
Man oh man I'm loving this glowing recap review and totally agree on everything, including that stupid turn signal. 😀 I have back issues, so I bought the BRZ for a slightly softer ride. This car is my favorite car OF ALL TIME and I've owned a bunch. I also love the thickness of the steering wheel, for me it's perfect, I can't stand those super thick steering wheels that feel like you're gripping a GD pool noodle.
Ummming and aaahhhing ended on Saturday. I’ve been to the dealer twice in the past four months for a look and had a look at a few GR’s in dealer yards. Anyway, I took a BRZ for a test. After two kilometres of driving I pulled up at a set of lights and thought … this is so nice. Drove for another 20 minutes, retuned to he dealership and put down a deposit. Sharp and supple and just fun. Now … what colour? Such a positive review, thank for confirming my thoughts about these cars.
I finally was able to get one of the twins! Love it so far and though I didnt get a cherry red or neptune blue GR86, the cement gray BRZ looks way better in person then in pictures.
I put 18K miles on my 6 speed manual, 2022 BRZ in one year. I live on a small island. Only car I've owned that's more fun is an Evora. And not by as nuch as you'd think. Instant classic.
I want one of these so bad, but the Toyota tax in Puerto Rico is between 35-40% which puts this over $42k down here, but despite that, I'm almost certainly going to take the plunge and set myself up for 72 monthly payments in another year or so. Only problem now is choosing either red or blue(like the video). Thanks for sharing guys!
I had 2023 GR86 for a week, needed a work vehicle, traded it back in for an suv. but now ready to buy another , on a wait list for a Lotus Emira (I know four times the price) figure that's a real dream car, tempted to cancel my order and get another GR86 ?? a few negatives about the GR86, you have to turn quite a bit to: use the cup holder, or buckle up seat belt. also can't see well looking out to right side traffic. GR86 was fun, have driven FRS and BRZs, smaller motor, most seemed raced , buy new if you can
I have the twin, 22BRZ. It is definitely an all year drivable car. Coming from many years of driving V8s and turbo hot hatches, the BRZ definitely felt slow at first. As mentioned the acceleration is nothing to write home about, but on the right roads it was still plenty of fun. I have since added a full exhaust including a UEL header and the car is soooo much better. That header gave the car so much more low end torque its crazy..!! I plan on adding a tune very soon as well, but I am waiting for flex fuel availability. After just those few things, it should be a gain of about 35 HP to the wheels. That is a 15% increase into a very light car.
@@shinn43 It is absolutely not placebo. Unequal length headers make more power down low. Along with making the best sounding exhaust on the planet it is a design feature. My car can now light up the tires from a roll, which it NEVER did before the header. Contrary to what people like to think you absolutely do gain power with just bolting on a header. When air flows out faster it also flows in faster and burns more fuel making more power. Modern car ECUs handle this process all by themselves thanks to all the sensors. However a tune will make it much better just like any car. But the whole "you must tune for a header" is pure BS on modern cars.
@@boost331 Seeing dyno graphs with UEL from 1st gen and 2nd gen BRZ it's not substantial without a tune. Also not entirely BS when your ECU is tuned to have a certain air/fuel mixture.
@@shinn43 That is EXACTLY why its not BS. The car will target the same AFR but have more air flowing through it which requires more fuel to keep that ratio in range. More fuel with the same ratio means more power is being made. 2nd gen cars with just a UEL have made over 20hp and 30tq gains with zero tuning. Its not as much up top but in the 2500-5500 range. The header alone moakes more power than a tune alone. Combined is even better snd I will do it. Just waiting for a flex fuel kit. They do not exist for 2nd gen yet.
Being able to feel what’s under the car saved me from wrecking mine on ice(and the snow mode), I live in Alabama and just happened to be out getting dinner the one night the roads iced, if I was smarter I would’ve listened to the weather but nothing usually gets bad here other than tornadoes, I got my self stuck going up an iced hill on the way home, even though I was slipping and sliding sideways the car never slid backwards and the snow mode helped me ease the throttle to make an eventual slow climb up the hill, then made it home going about 20mph all the way😂
13.000 miles in one year? Grinnn, i did 16.000 in my rental in 2,5 month back in 2019. Great country you have there for driving, btw. (ok,ok,ok. if it were your only verhicle for driving though the year it would definately be more than 13000 miles) ;) Loving the review! Keep up the good work!
as a 2023 brz 6mt red owner.... If you read the manual the turn signals work as they state in the manual. A slight bump gets you 2 seconds of turn signal for lane change and if you push it harder it stays on for 90 degree turns etc.... Its not that big of a deal that people make it out to be. The mpg so far for mine is 28ish going 75-80mph 90% highway....Im sure if you drive 60mph a long distance you will see above 30...Yes my numbers are hand calculated. Rtv who cares I have the 100k 7 year extended powertrain warranty If your on the fence about this car you just need to drive one and you will want it. For the price point its perfect. I cant fit in the miata and I didnt care to pay 40k+ for a used sports car with 20-50k miles already on it or 50k+ for a new car. Only subpar feature in stock form is the factory brake pads...they are not confidence inspiring for backroad/canyon/mountain driving....swap them out and your set. Recommended for all ages this car in 20 years will be equivalent to the honda s2000 in a loved chassis combo. If your about horsepower the aftermarket is coming on strong but that is not what this car is about.
This car has what made 90s jdm sports cars some of the best cars ever made, and it will eventually be a classic in it's own right.
We need to keep the prices up so kids at McDonald's can't buy it nor rice it
@@Carlos.Rivera unfortunately you are cringe
@@Carlos.Rivera word 😂
If only McDonald’s kids had respect they wouldn’t f up the car culture.
@@Carlos.Rivera It's an entry level car, so it's always going to be cheap. Plus, even if it stayed at higher prices people with questionable taste are still going tog et involved, use wood screws to mount stuff, and attempt to turn the car into a NOPI Nationals fever dream crossed with an Instagram render but made entirely out of bare fiberglass and bondo.
Tbh, we want that. It means the aftermarket won't disappear, that we'll keep having choices for mods. It means we might see a third generation once this one is facelifted.
Yeah, some cars will get riced out and modded by high schoolers with no tools, planning, or willingness to put in the effort to do it right, but that's been happening since the car was introduced in 2012. Buy one and keep it nice, do things right, and it'll stand out. Mine is now 9 years old and stands out as a clean car because people have had a decade to mess them up.
It's already a classic. ❤️👍
I bought a GR86 based on these reviews of the car, and I gotta say....I adore this car and I don't regret it.
Manual?
@@unseenhero9726 of course
I got to sit in one at a local car show. It was actually quite a bit nicer on the inside than the previous generation. Also, of course, the exterior looks WAY better, too (imo). If I wasn't obsessed with aiming for huge power numbers with all wheel drive (saving up for an RS3) then I'd totally get the GR86. Sweet little car.
Same, but BRZ. Nothing but love for these cars.
Did you cross shop the miata at all? I drove one of those the other day and liked it a lot, but can't find a gr86 anywhere to test drive
Hi, from Japan!! You have been saying “ winter tires for winter “ for us. You really think about us. Thank you. I have an experience that I was stacked in snow at Tokyo. My car was Mazda RX8 with normal tires. I couldn’t make the car move even just a little. I had to left the car and took a train to get home. I cannot forget the moment many cars passed me even cheap little FF cars. Therefore, I really understand the importance of wearing winter tires. By the way, Japanese car manufacturers have responsibility to build cars which lights turn on every moments for safety so I think you cannot turn off the lights.
They call them "winter" or 'snow" or "ice' tires in North America. They are vital to getting around in the snow belt areas when temperatures drop below 0 celsius or snow begins to accumulate. You are 100% correct - Summer tires are virtually useless in winter conditions - low profile wide tires summer tires are even worse because they increase the surface area which creates less weight per square inch transferred to the road.
@@TerryManitoba These are tires with the Mtn flake logo that are mandatory here in Québec from déc. 1 to mid mars & I think that's the only place in NA that requires us to do that. Vital like you mention but not if you not going outside big cities .
@@oi32df BUYER beware - I have 3 peak tires that are OK in winter conditions (K02's) & I have 3 peak tires that are optimize for winter driving (Nokian Hakkapeliitta R5) Gold Standard Son...
Big difference between the two.
@@TerryManitoba They're not vital. I've lived in Wisconsin or southern Ontario all my life and have never used snow tires. Just learn how to drive.
@@Pyrrho_ Do Tell - what type of tires do you run in Winter with snow/ice on the ground??? & what vehicle do you drive?
Im so mad that I’m a student right now who can’t afford to buy a new car. I swear to God when I’m graduated, I’m buying one of these asap !
I graduated last month and the first thing I did was go put down a deposit to get one. Lol
@@andrewlowe7457how is it
Thank you guys for all your coverage on the GR86. I owned a GT86 and ordered a GR86 as soon as I could here in Switzerland. Had to wait unexpectedly a bit longer than anticipated, but I finally got my car in the first days of October 22. It is my daily driver and as a motorcyclist I dare say the Toyota GR86 is one of a very few cars that I fully enjoy driving every day, every hour and every minute. I love this car so much. Thank you Akio Toyoda!
thoughts on steering feel in the GR vs GT? heard some folks say it got a bit worse going to the new one
@@veganjoy Hard to tell, since I've sold the GT nine months before I got the GR, and in comparison with the cars in between the GR is a revelation for sure. 🙂 I'd say the significant motor upgrade outweighs any potentially different steering feel by far.
How much did you pay in CHF if i may ask by ordering it directly from toyota? Because right now its more expensive here than the original price of 30k.
I really want one as well and was hoping for a second hand soon but I’ll probably have to wait 1-2 more years for that.
@@judaiyuukii In Switzerland, it was never the equivalent to 30k-33k USD. In Q1 2023, prices have been adjusted for inflation (1000 CHF up), so the actual price for a GR86 MT premium model is now around 42.5k CHF (depending on your choice of colour). I guess that makes a private cross-country import option not very attractive.
Today, there are 15 new GR86's on the Swiss car market readily available (base and premium models combined). And you could order one, of course.
@@MrMaik77 oh ok thanks for the info i thought in the US it was 29 uds so with accounting for the swiss prices i guessed it to be around 35.
Well then i gotta hope that a few used once for close to 30k will be available soon.
Would you in your opinion, as someone who owns it, still recommend getting it for the current price of 35-42k CHF? I read somewhere that they won’t sell the 86 from 24 onwards in Europe so I’m thinking the car might even be harder to get. I am thinking about selling my current car and covering the rest by finance.
Also did you get the premium version?
Sry for asking so many questions at once 😅.
This car is honestly my dream car. I know hate me all you want, but it’s a beautiful car. Also I’m a local from around the PC area and these 86 videos have proved that I want this car even more. Winter or not.
We bet you’d love owning it! Thanks for watching!
Before you guys sell it, could you meet up with the savagegeese guys and see how all four of you like stock vs mods and rate the mods and whether they’re worth it?
Savagegeese guys are in far west suburbs of Chicagoland area, while EverydayDriver is based in Utah…..I’d say it’s highly unlikely that either one of them is up for a 2,000 mile road trip in winter for a “meetup”
@@jameswillard1 I know. But, they all travel a lot. And sometimes go to the same press releases. So it may work. Or May work to meet at a track halfway or something.
@@PatrickMouthpieces Agree. After all, this is their work!!
I live in a town where everyone drives a sportscar (mostly muscle cars) in summers and big ass trucks in winter. The number of thumbs ups I get driving the gr86 around in winter is amazing. I like the car significantly better in winter too. Slides on demand!
9:50 The low stress aspect is really what I love so much about my Mustang coming from Audi/VW. It is comforting to know that my local mechanic can handle anything I'm likely to need done to the car.
VWs are some of the easiest cars to work on, actually most users do it themselves
Picking up one of these has been the best "big" purchase I've ever made. They're absolutely right about the driving dynamics being fun even not at the limit. While these certainly aren't rare cars, since they've been tough to get, it still feels special driving it every day, and anyone else driving one is always excited to chat if you pull up next to each other at a light. Do yourself a favor, if you're thinking about buying one of these, buy it!
"Aren't rare"? They're IMPOSSIBLE to buy in Europe. They are more rare than some exotic cars.
@@zydomason Wow! I didn't realize they were so uncommon in Europe. When I say aren't rare, I mean here in my locale. They aren't a common sight, but are also something you can just go and order as long as you have the patience for the backlog that every dealer seems to have on them.
@@DJ_Fuji don't you guys also have huge markups as well to worry about over there?
@@zydomason Depends on the dealer for the GR86. Some Toyota dealers do MSRP, some do 30%+ markup. If its a BRZ there are no markups. Subaru of America released a directive to its dealers to stop all markups around a year ago. They said it was out of line with their company ethos. A friend of mine was able to get a BRZ at MRSP just a few months ago with no trouble.
@@DJ_Fuji I got a 4K markup on my BRZ 😢 first new car and biggest purchase I’ve ever made. Worth it. Just wish I didn’t pay so much on top of doing lease to buy. Got shafted.
Bringing back memories of my 2nd gen RX-7 with 4 skinny winter tires taking me all over NH, VT and ME to ski areas and winter rallies. Thank you
Every time I see one of these I’m amazed by how aesthetically pleasing they are.
Can't afford one at brand new prices but as soon as these hit the three year old mark & people start returning their 2022 leases on these I'm definitely gonna buy one 💯
Do it! I actually sat in one of the first FR-S's when getting my wife a Highlander sometime in 2014. I had never seen one before. My son (age 12 or 13 at the time) was with me and I said, "This could be the perfect 'first car' once there are some used ones 3-4 years old in the marketplace".
And, you guessed it, his first car was (and still is after 4 years) an FR-S (2015). He loves it, and so do I. We did a track weekend together at VIR soon after getting it, so he learned to drive it at the limit in bone-stock form. Over time, he has all but completely fixed the power/torque issue with headers, a tune, and flash, dropped it one inch while adding a set of good coil-overs and some nice, slightly wider wheels. That car is the PERFECT "86" for its model year, and I'd bet damn close to this new one!
Anyhow, just my way of saying "Stick to your dream, Rob Moore, and anyone else in your shoes. You won't regret it!" And of course, you'll be getting the "perfected" model, so no need to spend a dime more than the car's price unless you want some nice wheels --- and maybe a couple stickers to help it go just a little faster than the others - lol. Cheers!
Side note: I lucked into a low-mile S2000 about 5 years ago before prices started really shooting up. As much as I adore that car, I've been considering selling it and rolling the $ into a new-era GR86 - and that's based on my appreciation of the original one!
Good luck, I have a 22 BRZ and it's going to the grave with me. If I blow the engine after warranty I'll swap it. Nothing will make me get rid of this car.
I've already looked at the 5-yr cost of ownership, and at 5yrs, it's calculated to have around 15k off the value. Can't wait!
2 yr old yaris grs at 50k kms going for over msrp here right now lol
In my province of 14 million people, there are
I just bought a 2024 GR86 with the "Premium" trim earlier today, in the color "Steel" and OF COURSE with three pedals! - I went in to put a down payment towards a GR Corolla and sign up for the wait list (estimated 2-3 year wait)...While waiting I ended up test driving an 86, and decided I had to go home in one.
What a fantastic platform, I am so excited for this spring and summer!
Congratulations! We loved owning this car and were sad to see it go. In fact both our guys would own another one. We hope you have great adventures in it. Thanks for watching!
How is it?
@@DatGuyArad It has been nothing but an absolute blast, taken it on a couple multi state road trips. It has been beyond pure joy, couldn't imagine how fun tracking it would be!!
I am just afraid that it's a ticking time bomb as a lot of people are experiencing very early engine failure and Toyota is making it difficult to warranty.
Have to religiously check the oil level, and keep it a tiny bit over filled for safety.
But it truly is such a fun and perfectly balanced chassis. I have never driven anything like this car!
As a BRZ owner myself I greatly appreciate the last segment of the video. I haven't had the opportunity to drive many sports cars in my life, so to know I have something special is good validation. It truly is a joy to drive and I get excited every time I get behind the wheel.
I live in Minnesota. Should I get this or the Miata?
@@chrisx5127test drive both
@@chrisx5127Gr86 over Miata all day
@@chrisx5127 I've owned both, really enjoyed my Miata but my 23 BRZ is my favorite car that I've ever owned.
I take delivery of my 10th anniversary gr86 in a week and I’m beyond stoked ever since I first test drove one last year
Congrats - good choice Saw one of those at the Toronto Auto Show. I wish I'd been around to get an orange 240Z. This looked like a good replacement!
I knew it would happen sooner or later, but still sad to see it go. Hopefully it will still make it to some of your upcoming adventures!!
Once again another great video.
Paul
Hi Paul. If you had a 19 or newer miata rf, and fit well in it, and were willing to do tires, front sway bar and some moderate coilovers, would you still pick the brz over the rf if you didn’t need more room for a daily?
@@PatrickMouthpieces If I owned a BRZ I would give you my opinion, but sadly I do not. On the plus side I get to DD a 2014 M235i 🙂
Highly agree with everything said here. I daily my 370z year round. And its been absolutely phenomenal in the winter.. i run Nokian Hak 10's and there is no where i havent been able to get. Ski resort trips, deep snow dumps, its taken it all and been great
I daily'd my manual 09 S/T 370z for 5 years. Bought a Lexus GX a few months ago and am now turning the Z into a trackday/occasional street car. About to put it on Z1 R-Pro coilovers and their complete adjustable suspension kit + sway bars. Gonna be a good spring/summer!
How old are you kids that comment on car videos? Twelve? "I daily my 370Z year round" ?! WTH does that mean? You drive your car as opposed to having it displayed in a museum? I swear 1/2 the comments have "as well", "daily" or "I drive THE (fill in the blank make/model) in them.
I ordered one as my daily driver. I hope I will share this enthusiasm.
Mine is my daily. You have to approach it with a right mindset - it is "cheap" sports car, so it will be loud inside, maybe panels will creek, and engine sometimes sounds like a tractor. But once you get it going, everything fades away.
You can fix the turn signal in the settings. Just switch one touch off and it works like a normal stalk
Heartily agree with the attractiveness of driving a light RWD car in Winter conditions. My first car ever was an MGB which I daily drove through college. Then (much) later I bought a new 2001 Miata, and daily drove that in all 4 seasons for 17 years. Loved it all along, and with winter tires it handled snow fine. (Up until the snow was deep enough to drag on the underbelly. At a certain point ground clearance becomes an issue.)
Deep snow is likely one of the biggest Impediment. Depending where you are - that may only be an issue a few times a year. To date - I have yet to have any deep snow issues this winter with my Fiesta ST...
I can see ground clearance being an issue if you need to drive any country/rural roads, for sure. Fwiw though, I live in a Canadian city, we had one of our worst winters in history for snowfall last year, and I only got stuck in the Miata once in a residential area (which was, thankfully, easily resolved by a friendly passerby giving me a push). Haven't gotten into any trouble at all this winter. City roads get driven on/plowed enough to be a minor issue.
The ground clearance definitely becomes an issue if you frequently drive rural roads that rarely get plowed.
@@kevinandrew_ City roads don't aways get cleared that quick during a blizzard so you could see deeper snow.- especially back lanes!.
But that's the beauty of a light car that gets stuck - it is way easier to get unstuck with 1 or 2 people pushing.
@@TerryManitoba A fellow Manitoban?! Yes that is completely true, my other post being oversimplification. It takes a bit of skill, throttle control, proper winter tires, patience, and just general winter driving experience to know which line to take/keep forward momentum in deep snow/don't park in a back lane if a storm is coming, etc to stay out of trouble with a sports car. I just find it funny when people look at me like I'm crazy, but really I have just as much ground clearance as anyone in a civic/camry/whatever generic sedan, of which there are tens of thousands of in the city. Just the extra step of needing to mitigate potential oversteer. It's more work for sure, but not impossible as some people make it out to be. (Also helps if you, like me, have another car to drive when it gets really, really bad lol, but again no issues this year)
Thank you for all your videos. I watch your gr86 vids like every few months. I love the comparisons to porsches and nissan z etc. Exactly what i wonder about
We greatly appreciate you watching. Glad our work has been helpful to you!
I bought one too in part from your recommendation 6 months ago. It is my only car and I am so glad I did. I find any excuse to go out somewhere. Going to the grocery store is something I get excited about. I definitely have the disease now.
I'll miss seeing it on your videos, but it was a good run.
Glad to have been a helpful encouragement you. Thrilled to hear you have one and love it! Thanks for watching!
I resonated with everything you guys talked about from start to finish. It has been a treat to watch all of your videos on the car along with all the podcast discussions. It truly is like an old friend and the defacto benchmark vehicle when looking at other cars. Thank you for the excellent content fellas :)
Thank you for sharing this car with us and for the honest, high-quality content! I put a deposit on a GR86 in October and have rly enjoyed watching these videos during my wait... still waiting.
I appreciate the content around the 86. The reviews/videos on here are what I saw first before I eventually bought mine, and I don't regret it. Thank you.
I am almost at a year also. No regrets, I am driving it in the snow too. With the right tires the car is fine.
I will never stop watching the videos you put out about this car
The long awaited next video of the GR86 has come at last. 🎉 you guys are so good 👍👍👍
I actually bought one because of you!
Thank you for touching on what makes a sports car completely acceptable winter transportation: if you can feel and understand what the car is doing all the time, you don't need fancy AWD systems. Good snow tires, bag of sand in the trunk, and a careful right foot.
Winter here isn't nearly as harsh, but I definitely have found myself wanting a heated steering wheel. I've made do with pointing the blowers at my hands.
I picked up my 23 brz in November and I absolutely love it. Traded in my '13 frs and it I couldn't be happier.
This is the only model I’ve rented on Turo twice (and I have 23 trips there). I just can’t stop thinking about GR86. I would’ve already bought it if I could had found one without $7,5k+ markup.
Soon, it will be available. That initial rush will be over and it'll be normally priced.
Buy BRZ, Subaru doesn't do mark-ups. I got mine for $34.8K OTD in Las Vegas.
I'm just glad I like the BRZ look more.
Own a 2014 BRZ from new here in Sydney. Few mods here and there to improve handling and feel otherwise stock power. Its still even on the OG set of wheels, tirers and brake pads. Love the thing to bits.Keeper for life.
this video make me think about having so much fun in my 228i with snow tires in Spokane Washington during the winters
I, too, will be sorry to see it go...but thanks for allowing us to join your experience!
Where the hell am I going in my car? Loool my goodness, I got mine at the end of January as well and I'm sitting at 20k miles.
I'm sad to see it go, i almost wish it stayed for more adventure or development alongside mine but the show must go on!
Great wrap up!
So glad you'll be using this as a benchmark for others. The car and Toyota EARNED it, and others need to learn from their example. Long-live the front-engine, rear drive, REAL sports cars!
Personally, bumping down to 16s with high performance snow tires, while softer was more to my taste for the winter part of the year. Maybe one year I'll try out oversized and try a bit more of a Porsche safari style setup for the winter, those look fun!
I like taller tires for clearing deep snow. If deep snow is not a common occurrence a high performance winter tire might be fun - but I wouldn't do it.
Given the deterioration that roads see over winter the extra sidewall is welcome
What winter tires are you running?
@@oregonhighway General Altimax Studded Winter tire. They are on there 9th winter & have lost all their studs & most of the sips & plenty of the flexibility - but they still work OK. I will have to get a new pair for next year.
@@oregonhighway Bridgestone Blizzak WS90, they were one of highest rated performance snow tires for the year
Have a 2022 WRX which has the same signal stalk actuation and had heard from many on TH-cam about it…it’s nothing, a complete non-issue. Just touch it to get 3 blinks and hit it for a turn. If the turn is not deep enough to reset then touch it the other way and it cancels.
I chose the poverty spec WRX so that I could have the horsepower and awd necessary to have WRC type fun in the ice, snow, and dust as well as track days and the like…all for the same price (or less) than the GR86/BRZ (it’s Canada, your pricing may differ elsewhere)…and I haven’t been disappointed.
Glad to see you guys enjoying the car all year long.
Bought a silver 2016 BRZ Limited with 13,800 miles in October of last year. It's my daily driver in Minnesota and has been great. I don't have a garage, so it's parked outside every day. I did get one of those windshield and side mirror covers to keep those from freezing over or having excessive snow built up - that has been my best accessory purchase. I love driving this car and I look forward to keeping it for years. It's unmodded so far - I think I might get an equal-length header and have it tuned for 91 octane gas since we don't have 93 octane around here. I might get some wider wheels and tires, but that's probably well down the line if it happens at all. I highly recommend it to anyone looking for a great driving experience.
That’s a great price for what that car is.
@@ValkenDnB What was the price? they must have removed it from the comment, cause the one I see doesn't include a price in it
I live in Minnesota as well. I take it you would not recommend the Miata soft top? Can you use regular unleaded gas for the BRZ? Cause you can with Miata.
@@shittywheelies7403 No, I didn't put a price in the post. The other person must have mistaken the mileage for the price.
I paid $24,000 all in. But it had less than 14,000 miles, only two previous owners, clean title, and no accidents, so it was worth it to me.
@@chrisx5127 I don't like convertibles in general. And I sure as hell wouldn't be able to fit comfortably in a Miata. But if you can, and really want one, go for it. It would definitely be fun/interesting in winter if you drive it year-round.
The FA20D and FA24D engines in the BRZ have a 12.5:1 compression ratio and are meant to use 93 octane gas, but the manual says you can use 91 octane with no adverse effects.
What an AMAZING car! I still appreciate the fact that fun cars like this are still being sold today and if we want that to continue, find a way to buy one and support these car companies.
They keep going up every year though. $600 more now than last year for the exact same car! Inflation hasn't increased that much!
@@chrisx5127 Agreed. I think it is the politicians. With all the politicians pushing EVs and kill switches in cars there is a fear that these fun haseline powerd cars will no longer be made so people are snatching them up and the supply cannot keep up with demand.
I mean yes but the car is also vastly improved. That costs money@@chrisx5127
I’ve never seen someone who loved the 86 as much as you guys. I just hope I love the manual Supra I am getting that much.
It looks so good and I bet the driving experience is even better. Love love love the color you guys went w and the gold wheels are the cherry on top.
Been watching you guys for years and years. Also love screwing around in the snow. Great video
I drove an RX8 for 14 winters with snow tires, and the only time it was an issue was when the snow accumulated past the ground clearance of the car.
Growing up in West Valley City, I learned to drift in church parking lots in my dad's old Chevy conversion van during snow storms. 😆
Great video. I've had my 22 tRack bRed premium for almost a year now and still LOVE it. Totally makes driving fun.
I leased the FRS when it came out and my most fond memories with it are from when I was driving in the winter with winter tires on
I bought and have been daily driving a 2013 FRS 5 years ago because of your reviews and it's been maybe the best purchase I've ever made. Absolutely love that car and am going to be driving it til the wheels fall off
Completely agree about the turn signal. I know, first world problems but there is/was no reason to switch away from the traditional European flick (activates the quick 2-3 second signal) to the full click (to keep the signal on).
Amen on driving a sports car in the winter - with good winter tires. I daily drive an ND1 Miata for 4 years, including through 4 northern Ohio winters. People thought I was crazy, but tires and the car’s balance (weight distribution) are everything when it comes to winter handling.
I’m glad you guys have had such a good with with the GR86. I thought about buying one last year, but it just wasn’t the car for me. I still enjoyed all your videos on it though, so thanks for those!
Excellent long term review. Thanks
I used to have a G35 Coupe and that thing put the fear of death in me driving it during the winter. I nearly wrecked it going 40mph in semi slick conditions and after that it became a 3 season car for me. Kudos to you guys for enjoying winter driving in a RWD sports car
Snow tires make a day and night difference.
You probably had a summer tired. At least with all seasons you can manage
G35x with good snow tires is awesome in winter
It’s called tires. It’s not the car. You were probably broke and could barely afford that car when you had it, so I wouldn’t doubt you were rolling through snow on cheap, 1/2 tread or less, tires, hence why it was sketch.
@@mihan5660 G35x is a very different animal in the winter
Winter driveng was one of the most concern about this car, but I finally ordered and next week I'll go to dealer to take my nwe GR86.
I'm really excited...
Great video, thank you.
Glad to here your experience driving the car and the RTV issue. My GR 86 will be delivered in two months. Can’t wait to put it through spaces.
Oh wow, first time seeing your channel and coincidentally I also just got back from visiting Park City for the first time yesterday.
Glad you found us! Thanks for watching!
Owned the 1st gen (I.e. 2013) “86”… and I miss it so much.
Sure it wasn’t fast, but my g*d it was fun. The seats, handling, rear wheel drive etc all added up to an amazing daily driver without any of the costs of more expensive sports cars.
I honestly did miss a little more power, but it really wasn’t the end of the world in 90% of situations.
Just wanted to say I own a GR86 now, and I really appreciated both Everyday Driver and SavageGeese's videos on it. Made me very aware of what I was getting into. Thank you! And also, still loving it!
Thrilled to hear you got one and are enjoying it. Honored to know we had a part in it. Thanks for watching!
Excellent video. You and a few other reviewers had pushed me to ordering its twin, the BRZ (markups are ridiculous for the GR86) it will be my first RWD, and it's great to hear you enjoyed this car a lot.
Enjoy it!
Had a 1st gen for 3 winters in Canadia, works great!!
I bought the BRZ because of all the reviews and for the first time in a long time, I have zero regrets
Do you get compliments or is it just the GR86?
I drove an RX8 for a couple of winters and it was so much fun. I could also see it rust right in front of my eyes even it was sprayed with protective mass. Would not do that again now.
Just put a deposit in for one. The build time is around 10-12 months but it’ll be worth the wait
I just picked up my 2024 GR86MT Neptune & I can’t thank you guys enough for all the information that helped to inform my decision. I’m having a blast driving this baby… I’m dying to get past that 1000 mile break-in.
Thrilled to hear we were helpful in you getting one and we hope you enjoy it for a long time! Congrats and thanks for watching!
Daily drive my Mazda Miata ND RF in the winter. And with 50% of the weight on snow tires with a limited slip differential, it has plenty of traction to get going. And all cars have 4 wheel brakes.
Do you recommend the Miata over this? Minnesota is 8 to 9 months out of the year.
This is my absolute dream car, it is just so lovely, if this driving experience was offered for $100k it would probably be normal, but offering all of this for $30k? Amazing. When I get to afford one of these I don't think I'll ever need another fun car. (But keep in mind, I have a special conection with the 86 since it is the first car I truly loved.)
@Paul Brieck If you buy at over MSRP you're crazy man 😶 But I've seen on the GR86 subreddit that even with Mark-up they are less than $40k 🤔
@Paul Brieck I paid MSRP with 3% interest. Already paid off half the car. Definitely not going to be over 40k into it lol.
@Paul Brieck I bought it cause it's what I wanted, and I bought it back in December of 21. Mines number 86 oddly enough, first shipment to the US. I found a dealer willing to work with me for the price I wanted. You are allowed to haggle. Also, USAA pre approved gets me the 3%.
@Paul Brieck and seeing them sell used for more than I paid new has tempted me to sell but I'm going to hold onto it for now.
@Paul Brieck I never planned to sell it for a profit. Practically nobody does when buying a new car cause rarely will it even be an option. The moment you drive a new car off the lot it's lost a couple thousand in value. At least pre covid. I'll keep it for now, but I've had my eye on other things that would be far more impractical of me to buy if I were to sell.
Another great video! I always love the scenery. I'm less exuberant driving my MX-5 in slippery weather than y'all but cold weather driving with the top down and the heat cranked up is wonderful.
I’m unlikely to ever buy one of these, but I love that they exist. All cars are getting bigger, heavier and more complex (and/or electric). This is a pure driver’s car at a great price.
I grew up in Mtl in the 60's and 70's and like thousands of people I learned to drive big American RWD barges with snow tires only on the back so I won't be afraid to pass a Québec winter in this Toyobaru equip with the mandatory ( here ) 4 snow tires.
As a brand new owner of a '23 Toyota GR86 premium, i can vouch for this. You have to get behind the wheel of one to fully embrace it in all levels. Looks and feels 1,000% better in person which made the whole thing that much better to own. Do yourselves a favor and hunt one down and test drive the GR86. It's a fun, great handling, stylish coupe for the money. I'd compare it to a high octane go-kart, moves when you want it and looks good while doing so. Thanks for listening to my TED talk 😂
Do you run Studless Snow Tires in Utah? I live in Alaska, where road salts are used 6 months a year, and Studs are a must for most people, but on my FWD HONDER's, I run Studs up front, summers in back, and the opposite for my Chevy pickup. When I drive my truck in winter, I want the front and to grip for steering, and the ass end to slide. 4WD is only used if I'm in more than 6" of snow
We don't. Studs are really only necessary if you deal with a lot of ice, which isn't something we get very much of here despite the amount of snow we get.
got mine last month! absolutely love it
I love driving mine!! And I'm still driving it in winter too. Except in heavy snowy days. Even with winter tires. Didn't want to go in the ditch again.
I drove a Genesis Coupe year-around for over ten years. It was fun in the snow and I often passed SUVs plodding along. For the record, I have lived in a number of heavy-snow regions so I am pretty skilled with winter driving. In 2020 I wanted one of the Toybaru twins and could not find a manual within a days drive for weeks / months. Eventually, I test drove a Veloster N. I know, it is driving the wrong wheels, but that car made me a convert. What fun!
The biggest problem with this car (and the BRZ) is that they are near impossible to get. Have talked to both Toyota and Subaru dealers near me and both have said that even larger dealerships are only seeing less than 10 cars a year for each model (base/premium). I ended up going with BRZ because supposedly they were slightly “easier” to get and have had a deposit with them since beginning of September 22’ and still don’t have a car or even know when I will have one. I ordered a Premium 6-Spd and they told me that Subaru just recently actually stopped producing base models altogether so even with just one model they can’t deliver cars
I just got the BRZ limited 6mt and it has surprisingly mature feeling with very satisfying performance. I went with the better local dealership and whoever got the car first at msrp on Subaru vs. Toyota!
@@CCWorld2010 congrats! Glad you were able to get one, what color did you get?
I'm surprised you guys are getting rid of the 86
I've had a 2014 Fiesta ST from new. I can't recall how many times I've told people that this is the most fun winter car I've "EVER" driven (a/w studded ice tires - of course-:)
It is not a RWD car but the manual emergency brake helps with that. (not ideal but good fun NTL) I drive my 911 in summer...
So I agree - a light - less expensive - powerful enough car makes for a great winter car. BTW - I get 24 mpg & I don't ever hold back.
BTW2 - I've got a GR Corolla on order....
Sad to see the GR86 go but excited to see what comes next. Great video! 🤝🏻
Wish I didn't see this comment before I watched the video.
@@CarStory apologies! 😭 At least now we can mourn together.
Thanks for your videos comparing the Miata and GR86. Ended up going with the GR86 after having a Saturn Sky for a long time and thinking that the Miata was just an upgraded more expensive/modernized Sky. As a daily driver its really nice for practicality and did really well in winter in Albany with a set of winter tires on it.
Seeing all this snow reminds me of why I moved to Arizona.
Man, I'm so tempted to get one of these.. I have a few cars on my list but everything I watch or read about this one keeps putting it to the top of my list.
Man oh man I'm loving this glowing recap review and totally agree on everything, including that stupid turn signal. 😀 I have back issues, so I bought the BRZ for a slightly softer ride. This car is my favorite car OF ALL TIME and I've owned a bunch. I also love the thickness of the steering wheel, for me it's perfect, I can't stand those super thick steering wheels that feel like you're gripping a GD pool noodle.
I drive my mustang Gt in northeast winters and love it.
I delivered pizzas for years in a '72 Skylark, on all-season tires, in Wisconsin. You don't need FWD or AWD.
I ordered a 2024 BRZ and this is one of the videos that influenced my decision.
Glad this was helpful to you. Thanks for watching!
Ummming and aaahhhing ended on Saturday. I’ve been to the dealer twice in the past four months for a look and had a look at a few GR’s in dealer yards. Anyway, I took a BRZ for a test.
After two kilometres of driving I pulled up at a set of lights and thought … this is so nice. Drove for another 20 minutes, retuned to he dealership and put down a deposit. Sharp and supple and just fun. Now … what colour?
Such a positive review, thank for confirming my thoughts about these cars.
Glad you drove one and we hope yours comes soon. Thanks for watching!
Wow, surprised you're selling it so soon seeing how much you both rave about this car.
The original plan was to only keep it for a year. It's now been just over a year which is crazy to think about!
I finally was able to get one of the twins! Love it so far and though I didnt get a cherry red or neptune blue GR86, the cement gray BRZ looks way better in person then in pictures.
I put 18K miles on my 6 speed manual, 2022 BRZ in one year. I live on a small island. Only car I've owned that's more fun is an Evora. And not by as nuch as you'd think. Instant classic.
I'm buying this solely from your opinion of winter driving, awesome video guys
Glad you enjoyed. Thanks for watching!
I want one of these so bad, but the Toyota tax in Puerto Rico is between 35-40% which puts this over $42k down here, but despite that, I'm almost certainly going to take the plunge and set myself up for 72 monthly payments in another year or so. Only problem now is choosing either red or blue(like the video).
Thanks for sharing guys!
Light blue and only light blue! Light blue is less common than red. Subaru doesn't have light blue so red it is.
I had 2023 GR86 for a week, needed a work vehicle, traded it back in for an suv. but now ready to buy another , on a wait list for a Lotus Emira (I know four times the price) figure that's a real dream car, tempted to cancel my order and get another GR86 ?? a few negatives about the GR86, you have to turn quite a bit to: use the cup holder, or buckle up seat belt. also can't see well looking out to right side traffic. GR86 was fun, have driven FRS and BRZs, smaller motor, most seemed raced , buy new if you can
I have a 2022 BRZ. Don,t get rid of it. You will miss it.
I have the twin, 22BRZ. It is definitely an all year drivable car. Coming from many years of driving V8s and turbo hot hatches, the BRZ definitely felt slow at first. As mentioned the acceleration is nothing to write home about, but on the right roads it was still plenty of fun. I have since added a full exhaust including a UEL header and the car is soooo much better. That header gave the car so much more low end torque its crazy..!! I plan on adding a tune very soon as well, but I am waiting for flex fuel availability. After just those few things, it should be a gain of about 35 HP to the wheels. That is a 15% increase into a very light car.
How are headers giving you any real difference when it's untuned.. this might just be placebo.
@@shinn43 It is absolutely not placebo. Unequal length headers make more power down low. Along with making the best sounding exhaust on the planet it is a design feature. My car can now light up the tires from a roll, which it NEVER did before the header. Contrary to what people like to think you absolutely do gain power with just bolting on a header. When air flows out faster it also flows in faster and burns more fuel making more power. Modern car ECUs handle this process all by themselves thanks to all the sensors. However a tune will make it much better just like any car. But the whole "you must tune for a header" is pure BS on modern cars.
@@boost331 Seeing dyno graphs with UEL from 1st gen and 2nd gen BRZ it's not substantial without a tune. Also not entirely BS when your ECU is tuned to have a certain air/fuel mixture.
@@shinn43 That is EXACTLY why its not BS. The car will target the same AFR but have more air flowing through it which requires more fuel to keep that ratio in range. More fuel with the same ratio means more power is being made. 2nd gen cars with just a UEL have made over 20hp and 30tq gains with zero tuning. Its not as much up top but in the 2500-5500 range. The header alone moakes more power than a tune alone. Combined is even better snd I will do it. Just waiting for a flex fuel kit. They do not exist for 2nd gen yet.
I have averaged 26mpg in my Supra 3.0 in my first six months of ownership, that includes a track day!
Being able to feel what’s under the car saved me from wrecking mine on ice(and the snow mode),
I live in Alabama and just happened to be out getting dinner the one night the roads iced, if I was smarter I would’ve listened to the weather but nothing usually gets bad here other than tornadoes, I got my self stuck going up an iced hill on the way home, even though I was slipping and sliding sideways the car never slid backwards and the snow mode helped me ease the throttle to make an eventual slow climb up the hill, then made it home going about 20mph all the way😂
13.000 miles in one year? Grinnn, i did 16.000 in my rental in 2,5 month back in 2019. Great country you have there for driving, btw. (ok,ok,ok. if it were your only verhicle for driving though the year it would definately be more than 13000 miles) ;) Loving the review! Keep up the good work!
As someone that lives in a place where winter is not a thing, I think this is perfect.
as a 2023 brz 6mt red owner.... If you read the manual the turn signals work as they state in the manual. A slight bump gets you 2 seconds of turn signal for lane change and if you push it harder it stays on for 90 degree turns etc.... Its not that big of a deal that people make it out to be.
The mpg so far for mine is 28ish going 75-80mph 90% highway....Im sure if you drive 60mph a long distance you will see above 30...Yes my numbers are hand calculated.
Rtv who cares I have the 100k 7 year extended powertrain warranty
If your on the fence about this car you just need to drive one and you will want it. For the price point its perfect. I cant fit in the miata and I didnt care to pay 40k+ for a used sports car with 20-50k miles already on it or 50k+ for a new car.
Only subpar feature in stock form is the factory brake pads...they are not confidence inspiring for backroad/canyon/mountain driving....swap them out and your set.
Recommended for all ages this car in 20 years will be equivalent to the honda s2000 in a loved chassis combo. If your about horsepower the aftermarket is coming on strong but that is not what this car is about.