I drive an '09 Corolla. Wifey bought it new in October 2008. She's moved on to Honda. I tell you, the dealership have their noses in the air. They're quite smug about being a Toyota dealership. It's that smugness that makes me weary of them AND Toyota.. but, that's merely my experience and opinion. However, when it comes to doing business, perception is everything, yeah?
However, that is entirely your responsibility. Are you going to demand that Toyota fix your car if you spin up and crash too lol? Read the warranty; it states that Toyota is not responsible for any abuse or misuse of the car. It blows my mind that people expect Toyota to replace their engines just so they can take it to the track again and repeat for free. Yes, it is advertised and designed for the track, but if you take it there, you are solely responsible.
Mazda sent letters to their dealers, saying that they were not to deny warranty repairs to Miata's that had been used at time trial, autocross and open track day driving, as that was part of the reason the Miata was built. The only exception was full sanctioned racing as there would be too many modifications and potential damage due to fender to fender racing.
Not to mention their inline 4 is significantly more reliable to begin with than the Toyobaru boxer motor. You know Toyota ain't what it used to be when their most reliable sports car is a bimmer. The B58/ZF 8spd combo is rock solid.
Blaming customers for their broken Toyotas is an American phenomenon; Toyota wouldn't dare do the same in Japan. My thought is the only new Toyota I'd have is a good used one.
@miketype1each The GR Corollas are made in motomachi japan. There is nothing to do with america. They are a japan owned company. They have rules and ethics. America, isn't you're scapegoat when you're favorite brands screw up
@WindyCity1992 yes it is, because american dealers are a bunch of weenies. Cheap asses, scrouges who squeak when they walk. Money money money money money.
@ windycity1992 OP isn’t blaming America for the manufacturer but rather stating the different stances manufacturers take within different countries to make things right when issues are presented. And he’s right
@@WindyCity1992with all due respect ask any person in Dubai/Middle East whether they’d choose a Japan Toyota or a Kentucky/USA built Toyota. Shit I sat in a Japan built Camry same 03 as my Kentucky built one. The quality is different and the Japan one the better of the two. Weird experience. Comes down to creeks n rattles in the plastics over the years
I daily a 1996 Camry LE - has some lovely modern features, like cruise control, power mirrors/windows/locks, and a bangin' stereo set. It's also survived 5 crashes, 1 mudpit incident, and years of me learning to drive. Its only breakdowns are user-caused (left the headlights on & killed the battery, stuff like that). Absolutely bulletproof, and I got it for $2800.
As you had mentioned, I think that the biggest problem is not the reliability issues that Toyota is having, but how they are failing to support those who have had issues
For sure. Issues are bound to happen in these newer cars, and it's fine as long as Toyota backs their products. Finding ways to skirt around recalls never looks good, no matter the company.
idk have you ever owned fords? they do NOTHING ever. They are even responsible for a mother running over her own kid via the ford 3.0 throttle stick issue from the early 2000s, they did nothing.
toyota screwed me on a hybrid battery replacement that should have been replaced under warranty and got clogged as a faulty design when my huskies hair was passing through the screen and clogging the cooling ducts. they said they would give me the money off my next toyota, but i doubt they will stand by their word
People buy Toyotas because of their reputation for reliability. That should remain their focus, whether they are trying to make more fun and sportier cars or not. If they stop being reliable, there is no reason to buy a Toyota.
I agree. I prefer reliability over sporty any day of the week. Otherwise I would’ve purchase a muscle car by now if I wanted something that makes my skin crawl in a good way when I hit the gas pedal.
Toyota is great for commuting reliability. For sporty driving or track use, European brands like Porsche or BMW are much more durable. This is why the Supra has few or no issues on the track (it has a BMW engine).
Toyota did exactly what they wanted to learn from those million miles cars. They learned what made them reliable, deliberately engineered down the new engine, and put them out for sale. But it backfired too early, as they wanted them to go out around 100K miles mark, not immediately.
I don't believe this to be the case at all. I think that every auto manufacturer is struggling because they have to design vehicles that meet our ridiculous CAFE restrictions. Most manufacturers have been reducing the amount of displacement their engines have and trying to make up for it by putting turbos on them which has caused lots of issues with lots of vehicles.
@@fgjewbjlvwgl What he’s saying is that Manufacturers are being forced to replace simple, reliable engines with smaller, more complex, less reliable engines because the government has imposed more stringent requirements for efficiency. It’s not that they’re being directly recalled because of emissions issues, rather, they’re being recalled because the changes they had to make in order to meet those emissions standards compromised the reliability of their processes and designs.
Gonna give you guys some insider info, as someone who's done contract work for the Toyota Motor Corporation on and off for the last 10 years... It's a customer service issue. Now, I'm not saying manufacturing has *nothing* to do with it (it definitively does), but there's something to be said about the shift in culture in Toyota in the last decade. When I started working with them, if their CS department got a complaint, they were on it like HAWKS. There was this understanding that their reputation for reliability was one of their biggest assets as a brand, so it was in their best interest to quiet down those complaints and make sure they didn't gain traction in the media (especially as social media started to grow). With time though, and increasing demand from shareholders for exponentially larger profits, sacrifices had to be made. Where do you go once you've cost cut in materials, engineering, R&D and stretched your manufacturing to a breaking point? You chop heads off at corporate! The CS teams I used to work with nearly all got "streamlined", and the talent that survived slowly phased out over the following couple years, I suspect due to low salaries / untenable work conditions. Nowadays, work's overwhelmingly outsourced and what little support infrastructure still exists in the US gets worked to the bone. It's gone from a prestigious, specialist position to something they churn fresh graduates through. It's sad, but since you can't calculate the return of good brand perception, it's mathetmatically better for them to sell shitty cars at high prices and do their best to squirm their way out of warranties. What are you gonna do?
i agree. my 2014 prius c has been a great car, but my huskies undercoat went through the screen and clogged the air passageway past the hybrid battery resulting in needing a new battery. and altho the warranty was supposed to be 100k miles and i took it to the dealer at 96k miles and altho imo it was due to a poor design the dealer and toyota refused to warranty the battery because the dealer reset the codes and told me to drive it and the battery only completely failed at 101k miles. they teach you to not obstruct the cooling fan and keep the filter clean of debris, but never mention needing to disassemble the interior because their screen isnt sufficient. the dealer then tried to overcharge me for the cost of the parts and i had to threaten to call better business bureau before they reimbursed me the thousand they overcharged. of course they said i had to pay upfront to release my car and they would sent a refund a couple weeks later. i also had a fuel pump go out which was prob my fault because i would regularly run it very close to empty which is not a good idea esp in the summer as the gas is cooling the pump. i dont do this anymore. anyways the dealer again tried to overcharge me on parts. i would go to the part dept and ask how much the part is and they would say x. then i would go to the service dept and they would say the part cost 1.25x. bunch of criminals. i asked to speak to the service manager and basically tell him hes a thief and he acts like hes doing me a favor by not overcharging. that being said, ive always had toyotas and while they were reliable in the sense they would continue running while damaged which the new ones wont do. the new ones just shut off and demand to be towed to a dealer. the old ones needed a lot of parts thrown at them to continue running. brakes, suspension, steering, timing belts, cv shafts, bearings, electrical. my prius c hasnt needed anything else 10 years and 230k miles and its had 1 set of brake pads, no suspension, no steering, no timing chain, no shafts, no bearings altho ones making noise now, no electrical. it should go to 300-350k+ without much drama then ill get a corolla cross hybrid or something once it makes sense because toyota has no real competition when it comes to cost of ownership (including reliability) and practicality
No one looks to Toyota for innovation. Their refusal to break new technological ground is a huge part of what made them so reliable. That's why the Prius was so surprising, since it worked so well right out of the box.
I remember being a Toyota technician in the late 90s and being amazed at what was covered under warranty. This was when engine sludge was an issue with Camrys. They were giving away engines even though we(techs) were saying it was the owners' fault. Different times back then.😊
Toyota and Lexus have experienced a decline in their quality control and reliability. Notably, even my 2024 LC500 exhibits a deterioration in quality compared to its predecessor, the LC500 before the facelift, which has left me deeply disappointed. Incidentally, Lexus’s official stance is that customer satisfaction is not a priority.
@chadhinkley7532 money is. If social media didn't exist and we relied on newspapers, the news, etc still, these companies would put explosives in everything sold if they could turn a dime on it
Toyota Technician here. In the past couple months Toyota has become natzis with warranty. Every warranty claim must have photo or video evidence of the issue. If not than claims get kicked back or the vehicle doesn't get fixed. If we diagnoses a warranty complaint but cant fault the issue the customer is 100% liable to cover the cost.
That’s exactly what’s happening here. Back in the early 90s Toyotas were high quality (like Mercedes-quality) and expensive. Quality doesn’t come cheap. Toyota was losing market share to the Koreans, who claimed to offer equivalent quality at a lower price as they were buying their way into the American market. Toyota made the strategic decision to cheapen their product to remain competitive, moving their former quality and content to the Lexus brand in the US. The first offspring of this decision was the ‘97 Camry, which felt and drove and lasted like a Hyundai of the time. This whole saga was described in an article in Barron’s in 1996 or so.
@ These are recent issues. The original strategy in the 90s was for premium-quality materials used in carpets, headliners, upholstery, and door seals to be moved up to the Lexus brand. Engines and transmissions were assumed good in either brand-Toyota wouldn’t chintz on anything basic and important. But cost-cutting is like an addiction…
Toyota has been cutting corners in the last few years. Parts are made to lower price points that Toyota is demanding from suppliers. Cheaper parts equal worse quality.
There’s a highway in Texas that has a posted speed limit of 85MPH. To not void the warranty, you would either have to 1) stay in the right lane with your cruise control set at 85, and hope you don’t go down any hills, 2) stay in the right lane with your cruise control set 5-10 mph BELOW the limit with your hazards on, or 3) never drive on such highways.
@@bradhaines3142Have you ever driven in Texas? There’s one stretch of road where I live that if you are driving 15 over, you either have your doors blown off by people zipping past you, or tailgated because for some reason they can’t change lanes and pass. I don’t put my hazards on BECAUSE I am driving 15 over in the SLOW lane, but I am essentially a mobile road hazard. I have never seen a cop there, but it ticks me off that my life is in DANGER because people drive so fast. At the same time, I don’t think the limit should be that low begin with, which is why I don’t report this issue to the local police department. Besides, they’d just start enforcing it and I’d be the one caught driving 15 over.
@UmmYeahOk i literally live in texas, have for a few years now. i just dont care. im in the slow lane like a reasonable asshole, but i do in fact drive 5-10 under regularly. except in cities when i want to get the hell out, there i drive like everyone else.
Since the original CEOs, engineers, and their top teams businessman have retired, the new CEO and his inexperienced team lack the skills of their predecessors, leading to these outcomes. Same thing with the Nissans , Mitsubishi and so on. Old teams were legendary.
I was a bmw technician for 12 years, I only have old cheap cars and just fix them up and maintain the heck out of them. I have 3 right now. They are worth way more than I got them for. Owe no money on them and so nice having backup vehicles. Insurance and registration is dirt cheap. The thought of buying a new in this day and age scares me and I have no desire to.
Yes, you can. We are Building a 67' firebird at our shop, and the local Advance and Nappa have everything for it. Only a fool that can't turn a rachet goes and buys a new car every five years @@bb5242
@@bb5242Not really, you can still find parts for really old cars from the 70s for example. You may not get brand new OEM parts but if you know what you're doing, stuff that gets destroyed with age like hoses, wires, etc can generically be replaced
thats great if you know how to do all the work yourself, but its still expensive esp when the old cars get 20mpg and a new prius gets 50mpg. not to mention the anxiety of wondering when your car will strand you and having to get it towed home so you dont drive out of the county
yes of course if you are an automotive technician there is no reason to buy a new car. same with someone in trades, he better of buying an old house for less and do the job himself. same with a computer guy that can get old computer parts together and build powerfull PCs for cheap... Better use your skills than your money !
I always thought when I got into my '50s I would buy a Toyota or Honda because I would need a car that lasts until retirement. I don't even know what to do anymore and I'm getting really close to needing to buy that final commuting car. Not that I can afford to retire in 10 or 15 years but my body is not going to let me keep working anyway.
You forgot one big one. I work for a Toyota supplier and the line I work on has been shut down for the past 4 months or so due to a seatbelt failure on the brand new Grand Highlander. The government shut them down until they come up with a fix for this. Correction, NOT seatbelt but rather airbag*.
At least they shut down the production line. When the 24 Rangers and facelifted f150s came out, they knew they had quality issues. But they kept pumping them out and just added an enhanced pre-delivery inspection recall once they hit dealers.
@@boxoffisa I am extremely loyal to MY company thank you. This isn't a trade secret, it's all well documented and the information is out there if you look... Would you really rather me or anyone else actually try and hide this information?
The "85 mph warranty void" really pisses me off! If I were the government, I would make them put it as a sign in front of EVERY SINGLE dealership, and make it mandatory as a warning in EVERY SINGLE COMMERCIAL they make. Then I'd like to see if they would still insist on it
BMW's reliability has improved massively recently. Them and the Korean manufacturers (good warranties, cheap MSRPs) are probably the most rational carmakers out there rn.
So they're BMW, because that's what happens to all luxury vehicles. Then again I've had my E46 330d AC Schnitzer for 20 years and it's still going strong, my RunX RSI is a long time dead and gone, after 3 gearboxes and 3 engines, not to mention the rust, just took it to get crushed, wasn't selling that piece of crap to anyone.
They really haven't been high maintenance though. If you look at the maintenance schedule of a Tacoma, it's very little outside of oil changes and tire rotations 100,000 miles. After that you get into some other items, but nothing major. Many cars have $5k+ maintenance items before you even hit the 100k mark.
We bought a new hybrid Camry and were denied repairs to faulty ABS unit leaking under warranty .NHTSA issued a fine but we'd sold the car by then. Never again.
My 2011 Tundra only has 113,000 miles on it. I started working from home a few years back and no longer commute. If I have another 885,000 miles to go I’m going to have this truck forever.
I have a 2008 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Limited. It had a few small issues, the hood latch had an alarm sensor that was unprotected and therefore got corroded from road spray and the alarm would go off at random times. That just required a super easy mod to bypass the sensor. The moonroof gutter system drained into these cavities in the body and was supposed to drain out of pinch welds in the bottom, but those quickly became clogged and rain flooded the cab floor with gallons of water. That required a much more complex mod splicing in new drain hoses and rerouting them behind the dash and out drain plugs in the floor. Besides those couple issues, it has been a solid car, around 130k right now, and not a hint of issues. My mom bought a 2021 Highlander brand new. It recently hit 100k, very regular service, and mostly runs fine, but it has major issues with something that no mechanic or dealer can ever figure out. It will randomly buck and stutter while driving. Like dangerous jolting like the transmission is shot or the engine is stalling or something. It has gone into the dealer multiple times and they have tried to figure out what is wrong but come up short every time. Also sometimes it randomly stalls, which is weird because it has that stupid auto-shutoff feature, so you would think it would just restart itself, but sometimes it won't and you have to turn it off and back on again. All and all it has been a much worse car than my 2008 or her previous 2002 Highlander, which crossed the states, the Al-Can, the Cassiar, and all over Alaska and is still running great with probably well over 200k by now.
I think they should be hyper vigilant dealing with the warranty issues, especially when selling a "sports" car or "hot" hatch. Failed engines and the lack of accepting responsibility in low mileage cars is costing them a ton of good will. Losing $2-3k on an engine replacement is a drop in the bucket for Toyota and the negative PR has cost them way more than that in the long run.
That's the problem though. The people calling the shots only really see the numbers and short term costs can look intimidating versus a theoretical long term profit.
Toyota denied warranty for that engine fire in the GR Carolla because...... the owner had exceeded 85 mph at some point in the car's life. Going 85 voids your warranty.
@@surfside75 there's more to the story, if you really believe edited videos like that with a hidden agenda, I have a earth 2.0 to sell you. EDIT: Meant for blurglie
The fact that many of these were sold as track cars makes it worse. I heard of companies like Mitsubishi, back 15-20 years ago, coming out to various tracks to record vehicles being pushed to their limits just so they could void their warranty if they ever needed a claim. You can’t advertise a car by showing an ad of a sports car on a closed course tackling corners if doing the exact same thing will void the warranty. Besides, if true, how much money did they spend on having such spies? More than it saves them voiding warranty claims?
The problem with the tundra is the v6 is literally the worst, most unbalanced setup. Imagine how different the perception would be if it was a twin turbo inline 6.
V6's are unorganized packaging hell too. Looks like a flying spaghetti monster in the damn engine bay. With I6's, you have a hot side and a cold side, making hose routing and working on it a lot better and easier too. Plus they give you _ample_ space to work on either side. Only downsides are that they are pretty long, and can't be mounted transversally, which won't work for the other cars/suv's that need a 6cyl.
@@ihavenoideas5844 Which is exactly why I think they _should_ develop an I6. The only cars that are going to have 6cyls now are going to be the ones with a big engine bay, like the trucks/suv's or the big luxury sedans. No longer cars like the Rav4 or Highlander are gonna need a horizontally mounted V6, which is good imo. Hell, Mazda did it for the CX-90, and I think it turned out pretty good.
Or. . they keep the same V8 ...works fine in the old tundras and will work fine in the new ones. My dad had a 06 tundra and I borrowed it for a summer. Loved that truck.
@@SpeedySpartan My favorite manufacturer marketing garbage is that it has to be a 4cyl to be fuel efficient. An I6 engine can be impressively efficient, see the ford panther body v8.
15 years ago, buying a Toyota or a Lexus meant that you pay a lot, but fpr a good product with a good service. Today, buying an Audi or BMW offers as much as buying a Toyota. All these companies dont care about the customer.
Don't forget Ford coming out with the new 7.3 and also GM basically saying "nah fuck going smaller and all that EV bullshit we're going to build a whole new generation of V8s and I6's"
Yea they are just lazy and would rather just slap a engine from 2 decades ago just bcs if it works it works and also the fact they're fixated on money and want to keep up with trend they would rather just keep the old engine rather than spend the time to make a new one 🤷
@Kabbage0824 are you referring to GM? Because if you are i fail to see the issue. Everyone is complaining about Chrysler dropping their v8s, Toyota dropping their v8s, and even all of the 4 cylinder options in the midsized truck segment. Turbos fail eventually. It's just a matter of when.
It's directly in line with the rampant totalitarian government regulations being rapidly forced on them for no real gain. The EPA openly says their goal is to force people into EV's one way or another. That's why engines get smaller and way more complicated with nonsense extended oil changes of oil that is ridiculously thin and turbos get slapped on while the rest of the vehicle gets cheaper parts to offset those costs. The EPA already destroyed diesel trucks. The manufacturers just hope you trade them in every few years so you don't notice.
I have a buddy who works at a Toyota dealer and for months now hes said he fights the Toyota warranty department on literally everything, its the biggest part of his day. Toyota Warranty is making US insurance companies look ethical these days
The two first things I thought after seeing your video is 1) At least my Prius isn't affected and 2) I wonder if my next car should be another brand, maybe Honda? Who is staying high quality these days? I'll note that this is my third Prius (with two Celicas before that) and this 2024 is WAY more complicated than any of my previous ones. And it's the first time there is no nav system without a subscription (except for CarPlay which is great when it works, but it's unstable). I'm in my late 60s so I might not have another car in me after this one but if I do I'm not sure I'll buy another Toyota.
I've been a fan of Toyotas since around 2000, when my dad replaced his GMC pickup with a first gen Tundra. I've had a Camry a Rav4 and currently drive a '09 Tacoma. The Tacoma will outlive me, which is good because I'm disappointed with the direction Toyota has gone lately; apps to remote start vehicles, overcomplicated engines, degrading fit and finish and skyrocketing sticker prices. I may buy another Toyota or two in the future, but they will likely be models that were made before 2020.
There was an article in Automotive News about 4-5 years ago in which a top Japanese executive was quoted saying that Toyota was going to eliminate “Excess Quality “.
It's not an unreasonable statement in the right context. If your engineers are designing parts to last 50 years on a car that is scrapped in 20 (typically) then the customer is paying for 30 years of lifespan that is never used. The trick is getting the design lifespan long enough that it actually lasts but not so long it's wasteful.
@@mrblack888 I disagree, because cars are not one-owner things. Most of my family only buys used cars, come to think of it, I can only think of one instance where a new car was bought, and it sucked.
If Honda can sell a new V6 so can Toyota. The Japanese management in Japan forced engineer Mike Sweers to not use a V8 or a diesel on the new Tundra. They basically forced him to use a hybrid V6 twin turbo that is complicated. He also stated that the Japanese did not understand why Americans like full size pickup trucks so much. I personally believe that there is a disconnect between the management of Japan and the USA.
The wild part is that no one's talking about the date collection onboard. Dude getting their denied claim saying the GR recorded their top speed is creepy.
Remember when Toyota vehicles caused more than 21 deaths and 200+ serious injuries due to a stuck accelerator pedal and they kept blaming the floormats even though those cars came with factory floormats?
I had a stuck accelerator on my 71 scamp Plymouth when I was a 16 year old scary but I ended up putting the car in neutral and pumping the brakes car was running away with me got up to 80 mph
Toyota’s golden years were from the 1987 Camry to the 2006 Lexus LS430. All vehicles they built in that era were high quality and durable. Even a Tercel with zero options was a well built car. What has changed is the upper level management then was all born before WW2. Their mentality was to build the highest quality product for the customer and find a way to make a profit. Now there are high level gen Y managers at Toyota. The mentality is to maximize profits and build it good enough to honor warranty claims at a level that is tolerable for the desired profit. These vehicles are simply not engineered to theoretically run forever with maintenance. You are better off buying a BMW if you do not keep a car after the warranty expires. More prestige, same prices, and not much less in terms of reliability.
Yes and the perception that they're durable above all other makes continue's from that. People's perception of vehicle reliability is stuck 20-30 yrs ago lol
@@CrimsonRequiem1 I hope this will be a good one. The panel fit and finish are as good as I’ve seen. Mileage has been excellent and above epa for a limited awd
The Tundra engine problems have nothing to do with downsizing or turbocharging. It was manufacturing cost cutting attempting to to skip a cleaning step before assembly. Tacoma problems likely have nothing to do with being assembled in Mexico because it is sub-assemblies that are made elsewhere that are failing. 2/3 of Tacomas were already assembled in Mexico in the previous generation. They have likely moved a lot of suppliers from Japan and China to Mexico. The new factories will take years to get the same standard, maybe will never get the same culture of quality.
Toyota saved money by sending the work to Mexico, but now they have to fix all the screw ups. Where I worked , same thing. Management outsourced work due to costs, and we paid for it through the nose.
sending cars to mexico does nothing but hurt you in the long run. look at every car manufacturer that has work being done in mexico. the cars just don’t last.
Toyota/Lexus fanboy here…… both of these companies have gone to shit. I think the Rav 4 (and similar platforms) are the only thing carrying Toyota/Lexus right now.
They are all just taking consumers for granted now, across the board. They have the mentality that consumers will buy anything they push out. They cut corners and stopped innovating. Not just auto manufacturers by the way. All they wanna sell is extended warranty cos they know their products are crap.
That's pretty nonsensical. If they decided to make crap cars only to sell more extended warranties, they'd only be shooting themselves in the foot. They only make money on the warranty if nothing breaks...
Can confirm - ran my mazda3 with the wrong sized sparkplug for a couple of years without knowing (same part number, 2 different sizes, dont know why). Due to these sparkplugs being too big, they lost their tip (I assume as a result of hitting the piston directly) YET it ran for a couple of years without any devastating problems, eventually changed the sparkplugs again and realised what had happened. Replaced them, continued to work well lol
@@niesy I had something similar happen on my Miata. Suddenly started misfiring, so I limped it home and checked the spark plugs to find the tip of one broke off into the piston. Replaced the spark plugs, and it ran perfectly fine for 2 years before I eventually sold the car. Those things can take a beating.
as someone who owns the manual gr86. id say its really important for those to properly break in their car initially and then get a new oil change to begin a new fresh cycle. I picked up an oil baffle and oil cooler as well to mitigate against the oil starvation issue with the engine.
At 4:32; Toyota didn't abandon the V8 because of 'the march of time'. They, and all other manufacturers, are downsizing their engines to meet federal government fuel economy standards which keep getting more and more strict to the point where everything is going to end up having a pitiful turbo four cylinder.
I work at a Toyota Dealership, the biggest one yet was the Grand Highlander recall, they have been out of production for the past couple of months and will remain to do so until Toyota figures out a remedy.
I called it when I bought one of the last V8 tundras the new v6 turbo wasn’t a reliable choice for the tundra. It’s obvious a twin turbo engine isn’t going to last very long.
@@alpha7ization that’s all fine and well but it wasn’t up to par with the competition so eventually Toyota has to evolve and that’s when the reliability problems started
I don't think the GR86 failures can be blamed on Subaru. The FA24 is used in the WRX, Ascent, Outback and Legacy in turbo forms (so under much more stress) and we haven't seen any engine failures like the ones in the GR86. Not to mention the Subaru variants are built in much higher numbers than the GR.
I want Toyota to know that it was their handling of the warranty issues with gr86 and corollas that made me decide to get a FL5 type R instead of a Gr corolla premium plus. Good work
Lol, a giant company thinking “this press release of using the old million mile engine as an example for our new engine will look great, and the people that designed the new engine never met, ever
Sounds to me like Toyota is too focused on the exterior design (sporty/futuristic looks). Toyota should be investing more time in designing greater ideas for reliability and a strong drive train for the best performance to offer.
I would like to clarify that part about TSBs. They are not like recalls. They are not to be performed just because they are issued. TSBs are guidance for the tech and the dealership about how to handle certain owner concerns or issues with the vehicle. Manufacturers do have campaigns that are to be performed if they are open but aren’t government issued like recalls. Different manufacturers call them different things. The reason I wanted to point this out is because I can’t even count how many times an owner has come in with a TSB that they found online, wanting it to be performed without their vehicle even having the concern in the TSB, thinking that it’s something that needs to be done.
Yeah! I've been noticing constant complaints of Toyota owners about oil-burning engines, failing trannies, etc. So!!!...I got my wife a 2023 Sportage: two-and-a-half years later, the experience has been s-w-e-e-t!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BYE, TOYOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The company I worked for, back in 2008, bought the first 10 newly designed Mack Long Distance trucks. To say they had issues is very mild. One truck, on the way to Florida from Ontario Canada, it needed 13 alternators, but the biggest issue, was they did not get rid of all the sand from the moulding of the engines and all of them needed a new engine
Same. 05 here with 225k. Just redid all the front/rear suspension and replaced some sheet metal that rusted on the rocker panels. I'd been seriously considering a new van or taco, but with all this crap....just gonna keep throwing parts a the van and 2004 Rav4. Ford or Dodge might actually get my money instead :x PS, if your stuff shakes like shuttle Columbia on re-entry, defo replace all the bushings up front. Smooth to 100mph now lmao.
This is the reason I traded my 17 Tacoma limited in for a 23 off road instead of a 24. No way I’d trust that truck. Plus the price hike. I paid 44k for mine loaded. Same price I’m only getting an sr5 in a 24.
@@thehitman8663 power versus time. When people talk about reliability as a consumer, we are talking about how long things last, not how much the parts can handle for a few years.
Its actually a pretty solid engine. You can bump it to 400+ hp with stock internals. The cylinder walls are also very stupid thick. Though, that may also pose a problem in heat transfer. I think most of these fires happen due to ruptured/damaged fuel or oil lines causing fluid to drip into the exhaust causing a fire. That's why most race engines use steel braided lines
The fandom around toyota has reached a point where it really doesn't matter what they slap a badge on. People will gobble it up regardless. I'm happy they're keeping the brand exciting but there is such a thing as "getting too big for your britches" as my grandpa would have said.
As far as I know in Australia you can race Hyundai Ns and you have a 5 years warranty. And some decades ago Hyundai was bashed at the Fast and Furious movies. Times change.
I had a Lotus Elise and the only problems I had with it were the engine and the transmission, both Toyota products. I assumed that I had problems getting the engine warranted (broken rocker arm that happened on probably twenty other 2005 cars) was because of Lotus. Guess it went up to the supplier. Amazingly, soon after I took a bath on it and had to get rid of my favorite car, the problem "disappeared." Reality is there was so much noise that they finally started repairing them.
Toyota is a B+ student that’s changed into a C+ student. Their plastic crap build quality interiors have always had them less than an A-. Now with all these recalls and negative publicity I hope they get their act together and seek an A for all of us 😆
Plastic crap build quality interiors? You the interiors that look exactly the same 200,000 miles later? I’ve had mercs and bmw and vw and their interiors all turn to crap after a few years.
@@zunk916I’m not comparing it to anything, I’m speaking from ownership experience and from ownership experience of other cars. Automakers need to do better for the consumer. Specially now in an automotive environment that’s asking for more money from the consumer for less quality products.
What's with this new trend of people acting like Toyotas have never had problems before? The '07 Camry leaked oil, the 3rd gen Prius had issues with head gaskets.
they’re just Toyota glazers. every car brand has their faults and problems but they just act like Toyota is bulletproof and will go on forever without a single issue which rly annoys me
My 2000 Toyota Celica had piston ring problems. Many started burning oil just after the warranty expired. The problem was not corrected until 2003. The Corolla had the same problem. My car still went 250,000 miles. It burned oil from 150k. The dealer charged me almost $2000 to fix the oil burning problem. Nothing helped. Then in 2013 I purchased a Subaru BRZ. ( Toyota 86). The valve spring broke one morning on start up. It was still under factory warranty. Subaru refused to cover the engine. Sold the car to Carmax. 2 years later the motor was recalled for valve spring problems. I have been driving a completely trouble free 2018 Tesla 3 for the past 5 years.
My gr86 is being rebuilt by Toyota right now. Oil pump failed going 70 with cruise control on going down a straight freeway. The cause was RTV gumming it up, verified by borescope. I have seen people say there is only an oil pan problem, but there was no turn for oil starvation. I only had 2700 miles.
@@TeslaRoadtripsissues about EV cars like Tesla. If you run through big rain puddles. Chance of your battery being fked is high. Battery repair cost 30k 😂
@@TeslaRoadtrips Tesla has had one of the worst quality control reputations or any main name brand so not sure that's who you want to guage Toyota against. Historically, Toyota has had a very good track record so that is why their recent fumbles are more obvious w.r.t. others. Tesla has no such record in their tenure. Btw, I still daily a '98 Landcruiser with 335k miles on a completely orginal drivetrain. It just did a 4k mile cross country trip (while towing) with 0 issues about 2 weeks ago.
I work in the warranty dpt in One of Europe's headquarters and yeah... Nowadays Toyotas are not even close as good as old Toyotas from the nineties. Cars today are done to break down.
As far as I'm aware, the GR86 issue is more about the engine featuring a non-priority oil feed design, so under certain G loads the oil doesnt reach critical areas. There is excessive RTV usage, yes, but it doesnt seem to be the source of the issue. People have reapplied RTV, used baffled oil pans, etc and the issue still persists
Even some domestic JP models are guilty of this. Daihatsu (owned by Toyota and manufactured K cars under Toyota's badge) was found to be manipulating crash test and QC data for decades. It was said that such processes accelerate car development and reduce costs, especially after the '08 global crisis. So the management tier actively promoted it.
My 2006 Toyota Corolla Verso 2.2 D-4D with 177hp has reached 750,000 km, and the engine has still not been opened. No turbo replacements and no big expenses-just regular maintenance and minor parts that wear out over time.
RTV isn't really an issue. For oil pressure drops, Subaru has a fix that they apply in wrx endurance race car. They add a small vertical baffle to the timing chain cover to help oil return back to the pan when car transit from left turn to right turn.
Or do what Porsche did to fix that issue, and implement a dry sump pump system to keep oil flowing. Should have a factory baffle tho, that's a well known design issue for the boxer layout
@@DragonKnightX12 dry sump would be way too complicated and expensive compared to baffle. The baffle Subaru built seems to be different than aftermarket baffles that are available.
Toyota is now overtaken by crooked lawyers and finance tightwads looking to maximize profit. Since the former CEO departure, gone are the glory days that made them who they were.
@@n7narcosis I have sat in a new Toyota, especially the land cruiser this past month and that overpriced vehicle has way thinner plastic material than my old Ford escape and I cannot believe how thin the rear pop-up window is too. Anything from this new generation im gonna look elsewhere. I just did myself a favor and bought another 5th gen 4runner. Talk about a night and day difference with the quality
I have a Toyota Highlander and everything is working flawlessly but the radio which sometimes has no audio I think Toyota just needs to kind of simplify and go back to basics on some of the technology and electronics don't try to do too many new things electronically at one time
Great video, and I’ve experienced some surprising issues with new Toyotas as well. 2024 RX500h had multiple problems, the most concerning of which was an unpredictable 6 speed transmission; it would lurch, fail to downshift when pulling into traffic (dangerous), the dashboard was coming apart and the drivers side seat ventilation did not work - all from the factory.
You have got a new subscriber! I loved the fact that you covered the Toyota failure and forced Toyota to fix the customers car! 💯 Keep up the good work
Biggest issue I have is being a Lexus F owner and the fact that they initiated a recall for Carbon Fiber interior trims becoming delaminated due to air pockets causing the CF and laminate to break away from one another. It’s more severe to vehicles that have suffered from high heat being outdoors or similar. Issue with this recall? Supposed to be free but every Lexus dealer will turn you away and refuse to honor the recall unless you are smug with the dealership and have always gotten your service and maintenance from a Lexus dealer….even then that’s a 50/50 chance they’ll still replace them all for free. Keep in mind this is $2000+ worth of carbon fiber parts. It’s fucking annoying and makes me dislike Toyota/lexus as a brand.
my trunk on my Highlander has been having issues with the power opening that i didn't want, and even after bringing it to the dealer twice they say 'theres no codes its fine' and my warranty is almost gone
I think this problem sadly wont go away, the interior bits will delaminate due to UV and Sun's heat. I do not know if the Texalium based silver fiber in RC F cars will also do this or not. Also Porsche and BMW cars worse issues, the car hood, roof they get delaminated badly unlike Lexus.
It's hard to blame Toyota for the GR86 per season because it's a Subaru engine. The main problem with those is a lack of adequate baffling in the oil pan which leads to starvation during hard cornering.
Knock on wood, my Mazda3 awd hatch is 5 years old and I only had to change the battery, pads, and tires. Normal wear stuff. Mechanically perfect. With all the complicated hybrids and turbos, I'm planning on keeping this car for at least 10 more years.
Imagine selling a sports car and telling customers their warranty is voided if they drive over 85mph. IT'S A SPORTS CAR TOYOTA!
Even porche says you cannot pass certain rpm on the first miles something like that
@@boxfabioit’s not talking about break in, it means exceeding 85mph EVER voids the warranty
@@rasundesilva6088 exactly
I drive an '09 Corolla. Wifey bought it new in October 2008. She's moved on to Honda. I tell you, the dealership have their noses in the air. They're quite smug about being a Toyota dealership. It's that smugness that makes me weary of them AND Toyota.. but, that's merely my experience and opinion. However, when it comes to doing business, perception is everything, yeah?
However, that is entirely your responsibility. Are you going to demand that Toyota fix your car if you spin up and crash too lol? Read the warranty; it states that Toyota is not responsible for any abuse or misuse of the car. It blows my mind that people expect Toyota to replace their engines just so they can take it to the track again and repeat for free. Yes, it is advertised and designed for the track, but if you take it there, you are solely responsible.
Mazda sent letters to their dealers, saying that they were not to deny warranty repairs to Miata's that had been used at time trial, autocross and open track day driving, as that was part of the reason the Miata was built. The only exception was full sanctioned racing as there would be too many modifications and potential damage due to fender to fender racing.
mazda stays winning
Mazda is the best
One of the reasons I'm starting to like Mazda. I own a ford and chevy and they lost me after 2010.
Not to mention their inline 4 is significantly more reliable to begin with than the Toyobaru boxer motor. You know Toyota ain't what it used to be when their most reliable sports car is a bimmer. The B58/ZF 8spd combo is rock solid.
And they are the only Japanese company not to use a CVT.
Blaming customers for their broken Toyotas is an American phenomenon; Toyota wouldn't dare do the same in Japan. My thought is the only new Toyota I'd have is a good used one.
@miketype1each
The GR Corollas are made in motomachi japan. There is nothing to do with america. They are a japan owned company. They have rules and ethics.
America, isn't you're scapegoat when you're favorite brands screw up
@WindyCity1992 yes it is, because american dealers are a bunch of weenies. Cheap asses, scrouges who squeak when they walk. Money money money money money.
@ windycity1992 OP isn’t blaming America for the manufacturer but rather stating the different stances manufacturers take within different countries to make things right when issues are presented. And he’s right
@@WindyCity1992with all due respect ask any person in Dubai/Middle East whether they’d choose a Japan Toyota or a Kentucky/USA built Toyota. Shit I sat in a Japan built Camry same 03 as my Kentucky built one. The quality is different and the Japan one the better of the two. Weird experience. Comes down to creeks n rattles in the plastics over the years
Probably wont have the same problems as the government rules are different.
Never buy the first year of a new car or engine! Even if it’s a Toyota! You don’t wanna be the guinea pig!
And same applies to motorcycles!
@@NudaMandoesnt matter in case of GR86. Still same issues even after 3 years.
I waited two years before buying a new Camry. My 2020 Camry was just as bad as the 2018, if not worse. The only fix for my 2020 was a crusher.
@@OnlyMeee-ie3dwcan you laborate pls? I'd like know which generations to avoid in the future
Na you can’t tell yota fan boys this. “It’ll never break, it’s a Toyota !”
I daily a 1996 Camry LE - has some lovely modern features, like cruise control, power mirrors/windows/locks, and a bangin' stereo set. It's also survived 5 crashes, 1 mudpit incident, and years of me learning to drive. Its only breakdowns are user-caused (left the headlights on & killed the battery, stuff like that). Absolutely bulletproof, and I got it for $2800.
As you had mentioned, I think that the biggest problem is not the reliability issues that Toyota is having, but how they are failing to support those who have had issues
For sure. Issues are bound to happen in these newer cars, and it's fine as long as Toyota backs their products. Finding ways to skirt around recalls never looks good, no matter the company.
So….. reliability???
That department has been out of work for decades and don't want to do any work now😂
idk have you ever owned fords? they do NOTHING ever. They are even responsible for a mother running over her own kid via the ford 3.0 throttle stick issue from the early 2000s, they did nothing.
toyota screwed me on a hybrid battery replacement that should have been replaced under warranty and got clogged as a faulty design when my huskies hair was passing through the screen and clogging the cooling ducts. they said they would give me the money off my next toyota, but i doubt they will stand by their word
People buy Toyotas because of their reputation for reliability. That should remain their focus, whether they are trying to make more fun and sportier cars or not. If they stop being reliable, there is no reason to buy a Toyota.
now the prices for used toyotas are rising
I agree. I prefer reliability over sporty any day of the week. Otherwise I would’ve purchase a muscle car by now if I wanted something that makes my skin crawl in a good way when I hit the gas pedal.
Toyota is great for commuting reliability. For sporty driving or track use, European brands like Porsche or BMW are much more durable. This is why the Supra has few or no issues on the track (it has a BMW engine).
@@SlayerOfTheDamnedA 70' Plymouth Duster 340 is more reliable than anything today
@@RealEstateClub- The Supra comes off the same factory line of BMWs, it's not even a Toyota at that point.
The more American Toyota is becoming, more unreliable they are
New Toyota CEO is a disgrace to the family business. Same thing happened to Sony.
New engine and new tranny is why they fail. New tech = new problems
Well said.
Exactly. Camrys in Japan have bulletproof build quality and reliability. The only complaint I’ve ever heard are about American built ones 😂
Evidence? What exactly are you trying to say?
Toyota did exactly what they wanted to learn from those million miles cars. They learned what made them reliable, deliberately engineered down the new engine, and put them out for sale.
But it backfired too early, as they wanted them to go out around 100K miles mark, not immediately.
Exactly
If cars last that long they dont sell cars
iPhone planned obsolescence method
I don't believe this to be the case at all. I think that every auto manufacturer is struggling because they have to design vehicles that meet our ridiculous CAFE restrictions. Most manufacturers have been reducing the amount of displacement their engines have and trying to make up for it by putting turbos on them which has caused lots of issues with lots of vehicles.
@@lucasward9506 Incorrect. Look at most recent Toyota Tundra recalls. It was due to manufacturing issue and not emissions related.
@@fgjewbjlvwgl What he’s saying is that Manufacturers are being forced to replace simple, reliable engines with smaller, more complex, less reliable engines because the government has imposed more stringent requirements for efficiency. It’s not that they’re being directly recalled because of emissions issues, rather, they’re being recalled because the changes they had to make in order to meet those emissions standards compromised the reliability of their processes and designs.
Gonna give you guys some insider info, as someone who's done contract work for the Toyota Motor Corporation on and off for the last 10 years... It's a customer service issue.
Now, I'm not saying manufacturing has *nothing* to do with it (it definitively does), but there's something to be said about the shift in culture in Toyota in the last decade. When I started working with them, if their CS department got a complaint, they were on it like HAWKS. There was this understanding that their reputation for reliability was one of their biggest assets as a brand, so it was in their best interest to quiet down those complaints and make sure they didn't gain traction in the media (especially as social media started to grow).
With time though, and increasing demand from shareholders for exponentially larger profits, sacrifices had to be made. Where do you go once you've cost cut in materials, engineering, R&D and stretched your manufacturing to a breaking point? You chop heads off at corporate! The CS teams I used to work with nearly all got "streamlined", and the talent that survived slowly phased out over the following couple years, I suspect due to low salaries / untenable work conditions.
Nowadays, work's overwhelmingly outsourced and what little support infrastructure still exists in the US gets worked to the bone. It's gone from a prestigious, specialist position to something they churn fresh graduates through.
It's sad, but since you can't calculate the return of good brand perception, it's mathetmatically better for them to sell shitty cars at high prices and do their best to squirm their way out of warranties. What are you gonna do?
Outsourcing to the turdworld is the root of most quality issues
@@samsonsoturian6013 By turdworld you mean USA, with the most inferior engineering talent.
@@samsonsoturian6013 Blame the TOYOTA USA BRANCH. USA always has the "blame everyone else" mentality for the problems they created.
I guess bankruptcy is in there near future
i agree. my 2014 prius c has been a great car, but my huskies undercoat went through the screen and clogged the air passageway past the hybrid battery resulting in needing a new battery. and altho the warranty was supposed to be 100k miles and i took it to the dealer at 96k miles and altho imo it was due to a poor design the dealer and toyota refused to warranty the battery because the dealer reset the codes and told me to drive it and the battery only completely failed at 101k miles. they teach you to not obstruct the cooling fan and keep the filter clean of debris, but never mention needing to disassemble the interior because their screen isnt sufficient.
the dealer then tried to overcharge me for the cost of the parts and i had to threaten to call better business bureau before they reimbursed me the thousand they overcharged. of course they said i had to pay upfront to release my car and they would sent a refund a couple weeks later.
i also had a fuel pump go out which was prob my fault because i would regularly run it very close to empty which is not a good idea esp in the summer as the gas is cooling the pump. i dont do this anymore. anyways the dealer again tried to overcharge me on parts. i would go to the part dept and ask how much the part is and they would say x. then i would go to the service dept and they would say the part cost 1.25x. bunch of criminals. i asked to speak to the service manager and basically tell him hes a thief and he acts like hes doing me a favor by not overcharging.
that being said, ive always had toyotas and while they were reliable in the sense they would continue running while damaged which the new ones wont do. the new ones just shut off and demand to be towed to a dealer. the old ones needed a lot of parts thrown at them to continue running. brakes, suspension, steering, timing belts, cv shafts, bearings, electrical. my prius c hasnt needed anything else 10 years and 230k miles and its had 1 set of brake pads, no suspension, no steering, no timing chain, no shafts, no bearings altho ones making noise now, no electrical. it should go to 300-350k+ without much drama then ill get a corolla cross hybrid or something once it makes sense because toyota has no real competition when it comes to cost of ownership (including reliability) and practicality
Thing is, if your F-150 blows up, its normal, when your Tundra goes with next to zero miles, people are gonna talk.
Ya cuz Ford is absolute garbage, what’s your point
Yea bcs Toyota is know for reliability, Ford is not so the F-150 blowing up is normal 🤷
@@Kabbage0824reliability? Not too much anymore for yota. At least Ford will honor a warranty 🤣
@anthonyscott5484 valid point 😂😂😂
I'm glad we can all get together and agree that all cars are shit 😭
No one looks to Toyota for innovation. Their refusal to break new technological ground is a huge part of what made them so reliable. That's why the Prius was so surprising, since it worked so well right out of the box.
@Mika-ph6kuthat’s how products works. The first gen always are not the best.
Toyota does innovate every now and then. The created the first dual injected motors, with both port and direct fuel injection
mirai?
Don't ask for innovation, then complain about reliability. Those two concepts bump, dumb video.
@@MinusMedleylmao facts people complain about lack of features then also complain about too many features. Theres no winning
I remember being a Toyota technician in the late 90s and being amazed at what was covered under warranty. This was when engine sludge was an issue with Camrys. They were giving away engines even though we(techs) were saying it was the owners' fault. Different times back then.😊
Toyota and Lexus have experienced a decline in their quality control and reliability. Notably, even my 2024 LC500 exhibits a deterioration in quality compared to its predecessor, the LC500 before the facelift, which has left me deeply disappointed. Incidentally, Lexus’s official stance is that customer satisfaction is not a priority.
“Customer satisfaction is not a priority”
Is that not the priority of every company to ever exist in a capitalist society?
@chadhinkley7532 money is. If social media didn't exist and we relied on newspapers, the news, etc still, these companies would put explosives in everything sold if they could turn a dime on it
@@chadhinkley7532 If it were, no one would be having this conversation. It's only about money and data with cars now.
Then which car brands keeps quality now a days from your point of view ?
@@aravindb9736 None of them do. They have all gone downhill
Toyota Technician here. In the past couple months Toyota has become natzis with warranty. Every warranty claim must have photo or video evidence of the issue. If not than claims get kicked back or the vehicle doesn't get fixed. If we diagnoses a warranty complaint but cant fault the issue the customer is 100% liable to cover the cost.
Appreciate the heads up.
If your comment is true, customers really need to go talk about the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act with a lawyer.
All the way up to the 90s it was “how can we make it even better” after the 90s its “how can we make it even cheaper”.
Welcome to the Monopoly endgame
@@RepriseYTnah it’s shareholder profit endgame. Shareholders have ruined almost everything we consume these days.
That’s exactly what’s happening here. Back in the early 90s Toyotas were high quality (like Mercedes-quality) and expensive. Quality doesn’t come cheap. Toyota was losing market share to the Koreans, who claimed to offer equivalent quality at a lower price as they were buying their way into the American market. Toyota made the strategic decision to cheapen their product to remain competitive, moving their former quality and content to the Lexus brand in the US. The first offspring of this decision was the ‘97 Camry, which felt and drove and lasted like a Hyundai of the time. This whole saga was described in an article in Barron’s in 1996 or so.
@@BillLaBriebut the Lexus LX suv had the same engine problem as the tundra seems to me maybe they use the same critical parts in the same factory
@ These are recent issues. The original strategy in the 90s was for premium-quality materials used in carpets, headliners, upholstery, and door seals to be moved up to the Lexus brand. Engines and transmissions were assumed good in either brand-Toyota wouldn’t chintz on anything basic and important. But cost-cutting is like an addiction…
Toyota has been cutting corners in the last few years. Parts are made to lower price points that Toyota is demanding from suppliers. Cheaper parts equal worse quality.
Correct.
The VW group philosophy that is leading them to bankruptcy!
A good comparison is the video on the suspension components of the BRZ vs the GR86....they were cheapened on the 86
Does this issue concern america only? What do you think?
@@alexmoscatelli149no, I believe that Toyota’s initiative to reduce costs in order to improve margins is a worldwide decision.
There’s a highway in Texas that has a posted speed limit of 85MPH. To not void the warranty, you would either have to 1) stay in the right lane with your cruise control set at 85, and hope you don’t go down any hills, 2) stay in the right lane with your cruise control set 5-10 mph BELOW the limit with your hazards on, or 3) never drive on such highways.
Passed thru texas about a month ago and was amazed at the high speed limits.
Good luck in Germany where the average cruising speed is somewhere at around 160kmh or 100mph
the speed limit is the MAX youre allowed to drive. going 10 under doesn't mean you need your hazards on.
@@bradhaines3142Have you ever driven in Texas? There’s one stretch of road where I live that if you are driving 15 over, you either have your doors blown off by people zipping past you, or tailgated because for some reason they can’t change lanes and pass. I don’t put my hazards on BECAUSE I am driving 15 over in the SLOW lane, but I am essentially a mobile road hazard. I have never seen a cop there, but it ticks me off that my life is in DANGER because people drive so fast. At the same time, I don’t think the limit should be that low begin with, which is why I don’t report this issue to the local police department. Besides, they’d just start enforcing it and I’d be the one caught driving 15 over.
@UmmYeahOk i literally live in texas, have for a few years now. i just dont care. im in the slow lane like a reasonable asshole, but i do in fact drive 5-10 under regularly. except in cities when i want to get the hell out, there i drive like everyone else.
Since the original CEOs, engineers, and their top teams businessman have retired, the new CEO and his inexperienced team lack the skills of their predecessors, leading to these outcomes. Same thing with the Nissans , Mitsubishi and so on. Old teams were legendary.
I was a bmw technician for 12 years, I only have old cheap cars and just fix them up and maintain the heck out of them. I have 3 right now. They are worth way more than I got them for. Owe no money on them and so nice having backup vehicles. Insurance and registration is dirt cheap. The thought of buying a new in this day and age scares me and I have no desire to.
But you can't do it forever because parts availability eventually goes away.
Yes, you can. We are Building a 67' firebird at our shop, and the local Advance and Nappa have everything for it. Only a fool that can't turn a rachet goes and buys a new car every five years @@bb5242
@@bb5242Not really, you can still find parts for really old cars from the 70s for example. You may not get brand new OEM parts but if you know what you're doing, stuff that gets destroyed with age like hoses, wires, etc can generically be replaced
thats great if you know how to do all the work yourself, but its still expensive esp when the old cars get 20mpg and a new prius gets 50mpg. not to mention the anxiety of wondering when your car will strand you and having to get it towed home so you dont drive out of the county
yes of course if you are an automotive technician there is no reason to buy a new car. same with someone in trades, he better of buying an old house for less and do the job himself. same with a computer guy that can get old computer parts together and build powerfull PCs for cheap... Better use your skills than your money !
psst, the million mile Tundra wasn't the 5.7, it was the older 4.7.
The guy that did the million mile did it twice. Once in the 4.7 in 2007 and once in 2023. Victor Sheppard.
I believe both the 4.7 and 5.7 engines have done it.
Someone recently did it with a 5.7
@@Trussme96daaaaamn
There have been so many tundras with both V8 engine pass a million miles Toyota stopped buying them back for research.
Toyota and Honda are straight into their "enshittifcation" phase now. They have their blindly loyal fanboys, now they'll just rip em off.
Ah yes, the Whirlpool business model.
What does Honda even make for people to fanboy over these days?
Just buy Mazda from 2015 and onward
I always thought when I got into my '50s I would buy a Toyota or Honda because I would need a car that lasts until retirement. I don't even know what to do anymore and I'm getting really close to needing to buy that final commuting car. Not that I can afford to retire in 10 or 15 years but my body is not going to let me keep working anyway.
The pursuit of infinite growth ruins another product.
You forgot one big one. I work for a Toyota supplier and the line I work on has been shut down for the past 4 months or so due to a seatbelt failure on the brand new Grand Highlander. The government shut them down until they come up with a fix for this.
Correction, NOT seatbelt but rather airbag*.
At least they shut down the production line. When the 24 Rangers and facelifted f150s came out, they knew they had quality issues. But they kept pumping them out and just added an enhanced pre-delivery inspection recall once they hit dealers.
Are you still getting paid?
You are very loyal and helpful to your company. I am sure Toyota is proud of you delivering us this info. Thanks very much.
@@jeffkeeney1257 So, after decades since their introduction, the making of proper seatbelts remains a mystery, eh?
@@boxoffisa I am extremely loyal to MY company thank you. This isn't a trade secret, it's all well documented and the information is out there if you look... Would you really rather me or anyone else actually try and hide this information?
The "85 mph warranty void" really pisses me off! If I were the government, I would make them put it as a sign in front of EVERY SINGLE dealership, and make it mandatory as a warning in EVERY SINGLE COMMERCIAL they make. Then I'd like to see if they would still insist on it
Put a fafo sticker on the car so idiots stop thinking they can drive at redline for 10 minutes straight.
that paperwork didnt say anything about a warranty. it only said if you drive 85 they recommend good tires
Recalls are WAYYYYYYYY to common now. We NEED to stop allowing companies to make recalls like this.
It's pretty funny that Toyota outsourcing the supra to BMW was actually a good thing. 😂
Probably their most reliable car currently
BMW's reliability has improved massively recently. Them and the Korean manufacturers (good warranties, cheap MSRPs) are probably the most rational carmakers out there rn.
Bmw with a Toyota body kit
NONE of this bothers me. What does bother me is Why does NASCAR allow Toyotas to be in a AMERICAN RACE?
@@stevenweiss2148 Toyota makes more of it's parts in the USA than any other brand.
One Toyota mechanic pointed that they have always been high maintenance cars, just that they've become less tolerant to being neglected.
TCCN for the win. He’s the main reason I bought a 2024 4Runner and didn’t wait for the new 2025
@litesaber54yi3 exactly. Probably why I still run my 04 Highlander.
So they're BMW, because that's what happens to all luxury vehicles. Then again I've had my E46 330d AC Schnitzer for 20 years and it's still going strong, my RunX RSI is a long time dead and gone, after 3 gearboxes and 3 engines, not to mention the rust, just took it to get crushed, wasn't selling that piece of crap to anyone.
That makes no sense. That’s another way of saying it’s less reliable.
They really haven't been high maintenance though. If you look at the maintenance schedule of a Tacoma, it's very little outside of oil changes and tire rotations 100,000 miles. After that you get into some other items, but nothing major. Many cars have $5k+ maintenance items before you even hit the 100k mark.
We bought a new hybrid Camry and were denied repairs to faulty ABS unit leaking under warranty .NHTSA issued a fine but we'd sold the car by then. Never again.
That makes no sense. What was their reasoning
Reason ?
My 2011 Tundra only has 113,000 miles on it. I started working from home a few years back and no longer commute. If I have another 885,000 miles to go I’m going to have this truck forever.
I have a 2008 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Limited. It had a few small issues, the hood latch had an alarm sensor that was unprotected and therefore got corroded from road spray and the alarm would go off at random times. That just required a super easy mod to bypass the sensor. The moonroof gutter system drained into these cavities in the body and was supposed to drain out of pinch welds in the bottom, but those quickly became clogged and rain flooded the cab floor with gallons of water. That required a much more complex mod splicing in new drain hoses and rerouting them behind the dash and out drain plugs in the floor. Besides those couple issues, it has been a solid car, around 130k right now, and not a hint of issues.
My mom bought a 2021 Highlander brand new. It recently hit 100k, very regular service, and mostly runs fine, but it has major issues with something that no mechanic or dealer can ever figure out. It will randomly buck and stutter while driving. Like dangerous jolting like the transmission is shot or the engine is stalling or something. It has gone into the dealer multiple times and they have tried to figure out what is wrong but come up short every time. Also sometimes it randomly stalls, which is weird because it has that stupid auto-shutoff feature, so you would think it would just restart itself, but sometimes it won't and you have to turn it off and back on again. All and all it has been a much worse car than my 2008 or her previous 2002 Highlander, which crossed the states, the Al-Can, the Cassiar, and all over Alaska and is still running great with probably well over 200k by now.
I think they should be hyper vigilant dealing with the warranty issues, especially when selling a "sports" car or "hot" hatch. Failed engines and the lack of accepting responsibility in low mileage cars is costing them a ton of good will. Losing $2-3k on an engine replacement is a drop in the bucket for Toyota and the negative PR has cost them way more than that in the long run.
Agree 100%! 👍
Those warranty claims can‘t be more expensive then loosing your good reputation no matter how many there are.
That's the problem though. The people calling the shots only really see the numbers and short term costs can look intimidating versus a theoretical long term profit.
Very true, I used to be a toyota fan but right now the only new toyota i would buy is the supra.
They don't care. Normies will keep lapping up the DEI slop.
Toyota has started to Americanize
Toyota denied warranty for that engine fire in the GR Carolla because...... the owner had exceeded 85 mph at some point in the car's life. Going 85 voids your warranty.
Me daily driving my Sienna 100+😂
@@surfside75 there's more to the story, if you really believe edited videos like that with a hidden agenda, I have a earth 2.0 to sell you.
EDIT: Meant for blurglie
And there was tracking devices installed. 🤨
The fact that many of these were sold as track cars makes it worse. I heard of companies like Mitsubishi, back 15-20 years ago, coming out to various tracks to record vehicles being pushed to their limits just so they could void their warranty if they ever needed a claim. You can’t advertise a car by showing an ad of a sports car on a closed course tackling corners if doing the exact same thing will void the warranty. Besides, if true, how much money did they spend on having such spies? More than it saves them voiding warranty claims?
It's an american thinggie, not Toyota hahahahaha
The problem with the tundra is the v6 is literally the worst, most unbalanced setup. Imagine how different the perception would be if it was a twin turbo inline 6.
V6's are unorganized packaging hell too. Looks like a flying spaghetti monster in the damn engine bay. With I6's, you have a hot side and a cold side, making hose routing and working on it a lot better and easier too. Plus they give you _ample_ space to work on either side. Only downsides are that they are pretty long, and can't be mounted transversally, which won't work for the other cars/suv's that need a 6cyl.
@@SpeedySpartan Doesn't really matter since all of their vehicles with NA V6s are now switching to turbo 4s
@@ihavenoideas5844 Which is exactly why I think they _should_ develop an I6. The only cars that are going to have 6cyls now are going to be the ones with a big engine bay, like the trucks/suv's or the big luxury sedans. No longer cars like the Rav4 or Highlander are gonna need a horizontally mounted V6, which is good imo. Hell, Mazda did it for the CX-90, and I think it turned out pretty good.
Or. . they keep the same V8 ...works fine in the old tundras and will work fine in the new ones. My dad had a 06 tundra and I borrowed it for a summer. Loved that truck.
@@SpeedySpartan My favorite manufacturer marketing garbage is that it has to be a 4cyl to be fuel efficient. An I6 engine can be impressively efficient, see the ford panther body v8.
15 years ago, buying a Toyota or a Lexus meant that you pay a lot, but fpr a good product with a good service. Today, buying an Audi or BMW offers as much as buying a Toyota. All these companies dont care about the customer.
4:37 “forced” Umm, Ford still offers the 5.0 V8 F150, so I think Toyota could have made a new V8 for the new Tundra if they wanted.
Not to mention GM exclusively offers their v8 on their large SUVs/ Trucks.
Regulations in America are specifically written to favor the big 3. Just saying
Don't forget Ford coming out with the new 7.3 and also GM basically saying "nah fuck going smaller and all that EV bullshit we're going to build a whole new generation of V8s and I6's"
Yea they are just lazy and would rather just slap a engine from 2 decades ago just bcs if it works it works and also the fact they're fixated on money and want to keep up with trend they would rather just keep the old engine rather than spend the time to make a new one 🤷
@Kabbage0824 are you referring to GM? Because if you are i fail to see the issue. Everyone is complaining about Chrysler dropping their v8s, Toyota dropping their v8s, and even all of the 4 cylinder options in the midsized truck segment. Turbos fail eventually. It's just a matter of when.
my parents bought a new lexus rx500 and its already had a few problems. Toyota quality just seems to ring a bit hollow these days.
I own a 2015 RX350, what are some problems you guys face? I was at the dealer getting service and they had a new RX on display and I really liked it.
Almost every car from every brand has gotten less reliable these past few years.
Hyundai is getting better every year
It's directly in line with the rampant totalitarian government regulations being rapidly forced on them for no real gain. The EPA openly says their goal is to force people into EV's one way or another. That's why engines get smaller and way more complicated with nonsense extended oil changes of oil that is ridiculously thin and turbos get slapped on while the rest of the vehicle gets cheaper parts to offset those costs. The EPA already destroyed diesel trucks. The manufacturers just hope you trade them in every few years so you don't notice.
@@gianbueno6984it’s bc non of their line up has test of time yet lol. But I will give them hope
@@30hours51 we dont need many years to see that the new toyotas are crap
Bmw is getting better
I have a buddy who works at a Toyota dealer and for months now hes said he fights the Toyota warranty department on literally everything, its the biggest part of his day. Toyota Warranty is making US insurance companies look ethical these days
The two first things I thought after seeing your video is 1) At least my Prius isn't affected and 2) I wonder if my next car should be another brand, maybe Honda? Who is staying high quality these days? I'll note that this is my third Prius (with two Celicas before that) and this 2024 is WAY more complicated than any of my previous ones. And it's the first time there is no nav system without a subscription (except for CarPlay which is great when it works, but it's unstable). I'm in my late 60s so I might not have another car in me after this one but if I do I'm not sure I'll buy another Toyota.
So you're saying my 2019 Mazda3 awd hatchback is faster than a GR Corolla since it won't blow up going past 85mph.
DUDE, the mazda 3 is a hot hatch, dont let people tell you otherwise
@flashthefalcon948 kinda sorta, the lack of a manual trans option on the turbo models kinda work against the hot hatch title tho imo.
@@damienlee1165 true, but the AMG A45 also lacks a stick shift
@@flashthefalcon948slushbox 6 speed auto vs 8 speed dct. Completely different.
My 2013 bone stock 2.5 jetta is faster than the gr corrolla
I've been a fan of Toyotas since around 2000, when my dad replaced his GMC pickup with a first gen Tundra. I've had a Camry a Rav4 and currently drive a '09 Tacoma. The Tacoma will outlive me, which is good because I'm disappointed with the direction Toyota has gone lately; apps to remote start vehicles, overcomplicated engines, degrading fit and finish and skyrocketing sticker prices. I may buy another Toyota or two in the future, but they will likely be models that were made before 2020.
There was an article in Automotive News about 4-5 years ago in which a top Japanese executive was quoted saying that Toyota was going to eliminate
“Excess Quality “.
I've only found excess waste mentioned
It's not an unreasonable statement in the right context. If your engineers are designing parts to last 50 years on a car that is scrapped in 20 (typically) then the customer is paying for 30 years of lifespan that is never used. The trick is getting the design lifespan long enough that it actually lasts but not so long it's wasteful.
@@mrblack888 No such thing as lasting so long it's wasteful, only such a thing as lasting so long it hurts my profit margins.
@@mrblack888 I disagree, because cars are not one-owner things. Most of my family only buys used cars, come to think of it, I can only think of one instance where a new car was bought, and it sucked.
These new EPA engine requirements are intense.
If Honda can sell a new V6 so can Toyota. The Japanese management in Japan forced engineer Mike Sweers to not use a V8 or a diesel on the new Tundra. They basically forced him to use a hybrid V6 twin turbo that is complicated.
He also stated that the Japanese did not understand why Americans like full size pickup trucks so much. I personally believe that there is a disconnect between the management of Japan and the USA.
The wild part is that no one's talking about the date collection onboard. Dude getting their denied claim saying the GR recorded their top speed is creepy.
Remember when Toyota vehicles caused more than 21 deaths and 200+ serious injuries due to a stuck accelerator pedal and they kept blaming the floormats even though those cars came with factory floormats?
You just use the brake pedal. Countries where you can get the driving license for almost free and without training suffered ofc.
Japanese DO NOT want to accept criticism. Not for every case, but it shows here....
@@kisohinoki2704 brakes cook pretty quick when the gas is stuck to the floor th-cam.com/video/WPSFVsj0PpQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZytrZFcoah9Kx32A
@@kisohinoki2704 or put it in neutral
I had a stuck accelerator on my 71 scamp Plymouth when I was a 16 year old scary but I ended up putting the car in neutral and pumping the brakes car was running away with me got up to 80 mph
Toyota’s golden years were from the 1987 Camry to the 2006 Lexus LS430. All vehicles they built in that era were high quality and durable. Even a Tercel with zero options was a well built car. What has changed is the upper level management then was all born before WW2. Their mentality was to build the highest quality product for the customer and find a way to make a profit. Now there are high level gen Y managers at Toyota. The mentality is to maximize profits and build it good enough to honor warranty claims at a level that is tolerable for the desired profit. These vehicles are simply not engineered to theoretically run forever with maintenance. You are better off buying a BMW if you do not keep a car after the warranty expires. More prestige, same prices, and not much less in terms of reliability.
Yes and the perception that they're durable above all other makes continue's from that. People's perception of vehicle reliability is stuck 20-30 yrs ago lol
The problem is they took the "J" out of the VIN.
Interesting comment. Not sure if that’s correct but I hope so since my 24 Prius is still all Japanese. One year in, so far so good
@@stellingfanPrius is actually a solid car I thought about getting one a few times and still am thinking about it
VINs with J in it are not any better anymore
@@CrimsonRequiem1 I hope this will be a good one. The panel fit and finish are as good as I’ve seen. Mileage has been excellent and above epa for a limited awd
The last camry I had was made in the US and it lasted over 240k miles. So I'm not sure origin of manufacture is the main issue here.
The Tundra engine problems have nothing to do with downsizing or turbocharging. It was manufacturing cost cutting attempting to to skip a cleaning step before assembly.
Tacoma problems likely have nothing to do with being assembled in Mexico because it is sub-assemblies that are made elsewhere that are failing. 2/3 of Tacomas were already assembled in Mexico in the previous generation. They have likely moved a lot of suppliers from Japan and China to Mexico. The new factories will take years to get the same standard, maybe will never get the same culture of quality.
Well good. Glad you guys covered the track stories and their fear of bad PR made em take action.
Toyota saved money by sending the work to Mexico, but now they have to fix all the screw ups.
Where I worked , same thing. Management outsourced work due to costs, and we paid for it through the nose.
I heard it’s the same problem at Boeing for wiring harnesses.
sending cars to mexico does nothing but hurt you in the long run. look at every car manufacturer that has work being done in mexico. the cars just don’t last.
agreed, stop the outsourcing ESPECIALLY to unskilled nations like mexico. cheap labor = unreliable products.
Toyota/Lexus fanboy here…… both of these companies have gone to shit. I think the Rav 4 (and similar platforms) are the only thing carrying Toyota/Lexus right now.
They are all just taking consumers for granted now, across the board. They have the mentality that consumers will buy anything they push out. They cut corners and stopped innovating. Not just auto manufacturers by the way. All they wanna sell is extended warranty cos they know their products are crap.
Landcruisers and hiluxes are still very popular outside the US but losing ground quickly
Are you not aware of the Prius?
That's pretty nonsensical. If they decided to make crap cars only to sell more extended warranties, they'd only be shooting themselves in the foot. They only make money on the warranty if nothing breaks...
@@michalsvihla1403what fantasy land do you live in where dealers honor all warranty claims?
Mazda is the new Toyota
Can confirm - ran my mazda3 with the wrong sized sparkplug for a couple of years without knowing (same part number, 2 different sizes, dont know why). Due to these sparkplugs being too big, they lost their tip (I assume as a result of hitting the piston directly) YET it ran for a couple of years without any devastating problems, eventually changed the sparkplugs again and realised what had happened. Replaced them, continued to work well lol
@@niesy I had something similar happen on my Miata. Suddenly started misfiring, so I limped it home and checked the spark plugs to find the tip of one broke off into the piston. Replaced the spark plugs, and it ran perfectly fine for 2 years before I eventually sold the car. Those things can take a beating.
As a Mazda owner… you better hope and pray yours never breaks. Their parts and repairs are not cheap
That’s why I got a Mazdaspeed3 and a speed6 easy to work on and reliable too !
Exactly.@@aygwm
as someone who owns the manual gr86.
id say its really important for those to properly break in their car initially and then get a new oil change to begin a new fresh cycle. I picked up an oil baffle and oil cooler as well to mitigate against the oil starvation issue with the engine.
At 4:32; Toyota didn't abandon the V8 because of 'the march of time'. They, and all other manufacturers, are downsizing their engines to meet federal government fuel economy standards which keep getting more and more strict to the point where everything is going to end up having a pitiful turbo four cylinder.
I work at a Toyota Dealership, the biggest one yet was the Grand Highlander recall, they have been out of production for the past couple of months and will remain to do so until Toyota figures out a remedy.
What are you talking about? They already announced a fix for that airbag issue.
How many supra have you sold?
I called it when I bought one of the last V8 tundras the new v6 turbo wasn’t a reliable choice for the tundra. It’s obvious a twin turbo engine isn’t going to last very long.
Add a transmission cooler. You will thank yourself from not being stranded in a haunted road at midnight.....
Toyota kept old reliable stuff for years.... New regulations, new efficiency demands ...all leading new tech with all its problems
Yea like a 4 speed auto in my gfs 2011 rav4 . Honda had a 5 speed in the 2007 CRV. Toyota is like GM , slow to evolve.
@@jeedwards1981 those 4 spd autos lasted a very very long time
@@alpha7ization that’s all fine and well but it wasn’t up to par with the competition so eventually Toyota has to evolve and that’s when the reliability problems started
Are you blaming Toyota's negligent manufacturing standards on environmental regulation? Get a grip.
@@RepriseYTEnvironmental regulations haven’t been doing anything to actually help the environment
I don't think the GR86 failures can be blamed on Subaru. The FA24 is used in the WRX, Ascent, Outback and Legacy in turbo forms (so under much more stress) and we haven't seen any engine failures like the ones in the GR86. Not to mention the Subaru variants are built in much higher numbers than the GR.
I want Toyota to know that it was their handling of the warranty issues with gr86 and corollas that made me decide to get a FL5 type R instead of a Gr corolla premium plus. Good work
Lol, a giant company thinking “this press release of using the old million mile engine as an example for our new engine will look great, and the people that designed the new engine never met, ever
Sounds to me like Toyota is too focused on the exterior design (sporty/futuristic looks). Toyota should be investing more time in designing greater ideas for reliability and a strong drive train for the best performance to offer.
I would like to clarify that part about TSBs. They are not like recalls. They are not to be performed just because they are issued.
TSBs are guidance for the tech and the dealership about how to handle certain owner concerns or issues with the vehicle.
Manufacturers do have campaigns that are to be performed if they are open but aren’t government issued like recalls. Different manufacturers call them different things.
The reason I wanted to point this out is because I can’t even count how many times an owner has come in with a TSB that they found online, wanting it to be performed without their vehicle even having the concern in the TSB, thinking that it’s something that needs to be done.
Yeah! I've been noticing constant complaints of Toyota owners about oil-burning engines, failing trannies, etc. So!!!...I got my wife a 2023 Sportage: two-and-a-half years later, the experience has been s-w-e-e-t!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BYE, TOYOTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The company I worked for, back in 2008, bought the first 10 newly designed Mack Long Distance trucks. To say they had issues is very mild. One truck, on the way to Florida from Ontario Canada, it needed 13 alternators, but the biggest issue, was they did not get rid of all the sand from the moulding of the engines and all of them needed a new engine
My guess is that cost-reductions are to blamed.
Shoulda used the ZF 8 speed. Bulletproof transmissions.
My Jeep has one. I have never owned a vehicle with such a refined transmission.
@@VoodooCrab My JGC had a bad lurch when shifting into the 3rd gear.
Toyota partially owns Aisin, they ain’t gonna use a ZF trans unless they have to (as with the Supra)
Happy to be driving into the future in my 2005 Sienna Limited with nearly 250k miles.
Toyota Sienna❤
Same. 05 here with 225k. Just redid all the front/rear suspension and replaced some sheet metal that rusted on the rocker panels. I'd been seriously considering a new van or taco, but with all this crap....just gonna keep throwing parts a the van and 2004 Rav4. Ford or Dodge might actually get my money instead :x
PS, if your stuff shakes like shuttle Columbia on re-entry, defo replace all the bushings up front. Smooth to 100mph now lmao.
I want a GR Corolla but the possible engine fire and the AWD system overheating has deter me.
This is the reason I traded my 17 Tacoma limited in for a 23 off road instead of a 24. No way I’d trust that truck. Plus the price hike. I paid 44k for mine loaded. Same price I’m only getting an sr5 in a 24.
When you push a tiny 3-cylinder to above its limit, bad things are bound to happen.
Huh? The same motor in the GR yaris for years has been a monster reliable engine. It's overbuilt for 300hp
@@thehitman8663 power versus time. When people talk about reliability as a consumer, we are talking about how long things last, not how much the parts can handle for a few years.
"Buts it's tOyOtA!!"
Its actually a pretty solid engine. You can bump it to 400+ hp with stock internals. The cylinder walls are also very stupid thick.
Though, that may also pose a problem in heat transfer.
I think most of these fires happen due to ruptured/damaged fuel or oil lines causing fluid to drip into the exhaust causing a fire.
That's why most race engines use steel braided lines
@@doodskie999One of them was previously in an accident, and had a hole in the engine right by the turbo. Probably oil igniting.
The fandom around toyota has reached a point where it really doesn't matter what they slap a badge on. People will gobble it up regardless. I'm happy they're keeping the brand exciting but there is such a thing as "getting too big for your britches" as my grandpa would have said.
You can literally find people siding with toyota on these issues, that's the sad part
They might go the way of GM
What about the recall for the electric BZ4X due to wheels FALLING OFF THE VEHICLE?!???
I have a 22 corolla and dealer has "fixed" the clockspring 4 times for a click noise and it comes back every time
As far as I know in Australia you can race Hyundai Ns and you have a 5 years warranty. And some decades ago Hyundai was bashed at the Fast and Furious movies. Times change.
I had a Lotus Elise and the only problems I had with it were the engine and the transmission, both Toyota products. I assumed that I had problems getting the engine warranted (broken rocker arm that happened on probably twenty other 2005 cars) was because of Lotus. Guess it went up to the supplier. Amazingly, soon after I took a bath on it and had to get rid of my favorite car, the problem "disappeared." Reality is there was so much noise that they finally started repairing them.
Toyota is a B+ student that’s changed into a C+ student. Their plastic crap build quality interiors have always had them less than an A-. Now with all these recalls and negative publicity I hope they get their act together and seek an A for all of us 😆
Plastic crap build quality interiors? You the interiors that look exactly the same 200,000 miles later? I’ve had mercs and bmw and vw and their interiors all turn to crap after a few years.
@Mika-ph6ku Read and understand my previous replies you bot. Automakers need to do better for the consumer, period.
What are you comparing it to?
@@zunk916I’m not comparing it to anything, I’m speaking from ownership experience and from ownership experience of other cars. Automakers need to do better for the consumer. Specially now in an automotive environment that’s asking for more money from the consumer for less quality products.
Toyota has always had trash interiors.
What's with this new trend of people acting like Toyotas have never had problems before? The '07 Camry leaked oil, the 3rd gen Prius had issues with head gaskets.
New engines are being blown up for like 4 years in a row on the new models this is slightly more than a few teething issues
They have to believe that Toyota's don't break down to maintain their resale value otherwise it's just another Japanese manufacturer
they’re just Toyota glazers. every car brand has their faults and problems but they just act like Toyota is bulletproof and will go on forever without a single issue which rly annoys me
there’s this one tiktoker i forgot his name he GLAAAAAAAZES toyota. like idek if glaze is a strong and good enough word to describe it
UZ v8 timing issues, truck frame issues, cvt issues. Can keep listing
My 2000 Toyota Celica had piston ring problems. Many started burning oil just after the warranty expired. The problem was not corrected until 2003. The Corolla had the same problem. My car still went 250,000 miles. It burned oil from 150k. The dealer charged me almost $2000 to fix the oil burning problem. Nothing helped. Then in 2013 I purchased a Subaru BRZ. ( Toyota 86). The valve spring broke one morning on start up. It was still under factory warranty. Subaru refused to cover the engine. Sold the car to Carmax. 2 years later the motor was recalled for valve spring problems.
I have been driving a completely trouble free 2018 Tesla 3 for the past 5 years.
My 3.SLOW 3VZ-E doesn't seem to be having many issues apart from a new valve cover gasket and a timing belt I did last year.
If it ain't from the past, it ain't gonna last
My gr86 is being rebuilt by Toyota right now. Oil pump failed going 70 with cruise control on going down a straight freeway. The cause was RTV gumming it up, verified by borescope.
I have seen people say there is only an oil pan problem, but there was no turn for oil starvation. I only had 2700 miles.
Aftermaket sump
glad my Tesla goes 162 mph with no probs lol. might as well get a model 3 performance
@@TeslaRoadtripsissues about EV cars like Tesla. If you run through big rain puddles. Chance of your battery being fked is high. Battery repair cost 30k 😂
@@user-kh1ro6wv3t lol completely false. theres all kinds of videos of people floating through floods
@@TeslaRoadtrips Tesla has had one of the worst quality control reputations or any main name brand so not sure that's who you want to guage Toyota against. Historically, Toyota has had a very good track record so that is why their recent fumbles are more obvious w.r.t. others. Tesla has no such record in their tenure.
Btw, I still daily a '98 Landcruiser with 335k miles on a completely orginal drivetrain. It just did a 4k mile cross country trip (while towing) with 0 issues about 2 weeks ago.
I work in the warranty dpt in One of Europe's headquarters and yeah... Nowadays Toyotas are not even close as good as old Toyotas from the nineties.
Cars today are done to break down.
As far as I'm aware, the GR86 issue is more about the engine featuring a non-priority oil feed design, so under certain G loads the oil doesnt reach critical areas.
There is excessive RTV usage, yes, but it doesnt seem to be the source of the issue. People have reapplied RTV, used baffled oil pans, etc and the issue still persists
They been coasting on their reputation for decades while everyone else was trying to come out with better products, and this is the result
The writing, editing and presentation of this video were superb. I found it quite enjoyable to watch.
thanks for watching!
Even some domestic JP models are guilty of this. Daihatsu (owned by Toyota and manufactured K cars under Toyota's badge) was found to be manipulating crash test and QC data for decades. It was said that such processes accelerate car development and reduce costs, especially after the '08 global crisis. So the management tier actively promoted it.
5:04 the sign reads "over 1000"
My 2006 Toyota Corolla Verso 2.2 D-4D with 177hp has reached 750,000 km, and the engine has still not been opened. No turbo replacements and no big expenses-just regular maintenance and minor parts that wear out over time.
Corporate greed. That's what's happening. And that goes to almost every other manufacture as well.
RTV isn't really an issue. For oil pressure drops, Subaru has a fix that they apply in wrx endurance race car. They add a small vertical baffle to the timing chain cover to help oil return back to the pan when car transit from left turn to right turn.
Or do what Porsche did to fix that issue, and implement a dry sump pump system to keep oil flowing.
Should have a factory baffle tho, that's a well known design issue for the boxer layout
@@DragonKnightX12 dry sump would be way too complicated and expensive compared to baffle. The baffle Subaru built seems to be different than aftermarket baffles that are available.
Toyota is no longer Toyota, got it?
Toyota is now overtaken by crooked lawyers and finance tightwads looking to maximize profit.
Since the former CEO departure, gone are the glory days that made them who they were.
@@n7narcosis I have sat in a new Toyota, especially the land cruiser this past month and that overpriced vehicle has way thinner plastic material than my old Ford escape and I cannot believe how thin the rear pop-up window is too. Anything from this new generation im gonna look elsewhere. I just did myself a favor and bought another 5th gen 4runner. Talk about a night and day difference with the quality
@Anomize23 I, mistakingly, thought Toyota was like the rising sun. It's a crazy world we live in.
Ok, so what should I buy that is more reliable than a Toyota?
@@steak5599 bmw 😅...toyota has fallen far, and bmw has regained some reputation with their 2016+ b58 engine vehicles
I have a Toyota Highlander and everything is working flawlessly but the radio which sometimes has no audio I think Toyota just needs to kind of simplify and go back to basics on some of the technology and electronics don't try to do too many new things electronically at one time
also a Highlander and my power trunk is giving out right at the end of the warranty but dealer just blows me off
Great video, and I’ve experienced some surprising issues with new Toyotas as well. 2024 RX500h had multiple problems, the most concerning of which was an unpredictable 6 speed transmission; it would lurch, fail to downshift when pulling into traffic (dangerous), the dashboard was coming apart and the drivers side seat ventilation did not work - all from the factory.
You have got a new subscriber! I loved the fact that you covered the Toyota failure and forced Toyota to fix the customers car! 💯 Keep up the good work
Biggest issue I have is being a Lexus F owner and the fact that they initiated a recall for Carbon Fiber interior trims becoming delaminated due to air pockets causing the CF and laminate to break away from one another. It’s more severe to vehicles that have suffered from high heat being outdoors or similar. Issue with this recall? Supposed to be free but every Lexus dealer will turn you away and refuse to honor the recall unless you are smug with the dealership and have always gotten your service and maintenance from a Lexus dealer….even then that’s a 50/50 chance they’ll still replace them all for free.
Keep in mind this is $2000+ worth of carbon fiber parts.
It’s fucking annoying and makes me dislike Toyota/lexus as a brand.
my trunk on my Highlander has been having issues with the power opening that i didn't want, and even after bringing it to the dealer twice they say 'theres no codes its fine' and my warranty is almost gone
I think this problem sadly wont go away, the interior bits will delaminate due to UV and Sun's heat. I do not know if the Texalium based silver fiber in RC F cars will also do this or not. Also Porsche and BMW cars worse issues, the car hood, roof they get delaminated badly unlike Lexus.
It's hard to blame Toyota for the GR86 per season because it's a Subaru engine. The main problem with those is a lack of adequate baffling in the oil pan which leads to starvation during hard cornering.
they are the ones putting their name on it, they own all responsibilities.
It's not hard at all, Toyota is responsible for any engine that it put in the car.
Then why doesn't it fail in Subarus? Plenty of other cars have that engine, but it only fails in the 86.
We are well past the golden age of car reliability and no car is safe
We are also past the time of people actually taking care of there cars
Knock on wood, my Mazda3 awd hatch is 5 years old and I only had to change the battery, pads, and tires. Normal wear stuff. Mechanically perfect. With all the complicated hybrids and turbos, I'm planning on keeping this car for at least 10 more years.
Partly because people think they shouldn't have to take care of their cars.
I remember back then you could buy an oil pan with baffles for the 2zzge cause it wouldn’t handle track use.
Thought about trading my GTI for a GR86... thanks for warning me! I'm going to hold off until I hear something that inspires more confidence