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- Dutch van der Linde is a central character and one of the primary antagonists of Red Dead Redemption, and a central character in Red Dead Redemption II.
Dutch van der Linde was the leader of the infamous Van der Linde Gang, which once operated in West Elizabeth. Notable gang members included Arthur Morgan, Micah Bell, John Marston, Abigail Marston, Bill Williamson, and Javier Escuella.
At the time, Dutch was an altruistic and idealistic rogue, believing the gang could make a difference in the world. He fashioned himself into a Robin Hood figure, taking money from those who had more than they could ever need, and giving it to those who had very little, and truly needed it. He saw himself as a symbol of the romanticized Wild West, and a humanitarian champion of the people, opposing government control, supporting individual liberty and punishing general human cruelty and selfishness. His romantic image and charisma inspired his gang to believe in his vision of a "Savage Utopia", and it was in the name of Dutch and his cause that they committed crimes such as murder and robbery.
As the years rolled by, though, Dutch slowly began to realize the futility of his cause. With new technology making it easier for the government to exert control over the people, liberty had given way to bureaucracy. The violence and greed of humanity had not stopped, and no one had been inspired by his example. His work had ultimately changed nothing. Worse still, the truth of his own hypocrisy crept deeper and deeper into Dutch's thoughts. He and his gang had attempted to change the world for the better, yet in doing so, they had become the worst humanity had to offer. His idealism turned into extreme anger, and Dutch gradually descended into madness, masking his pain with meaningless violence and an unfocused hatred of everything and everyone around him. In the end, Dutch himself caused the disillusionment of the other gang members.
Van der Linde had not been seen nor heard from in several years, and despite claims of sightings was thought to have perished in a fire following a botched robbery in 1906. During one of the cutscenes in "The Gates of El Presidio", it is rumored that Dutch is in Colombia and not likely to be seen ever again. This is proven to be false and Dutch goes on to play a central role in the remainder of the game. - เกม
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Very much
Drink one shot for every time Dutch says John
@@matiaspereyra9375 take a shot everytime bill says you always were, and when Javier says brotha
To be fair, Ross needed a whole platoon worth of people to kill John. Speaks alot to how dangerous he really was
"Hey John, remember when we were in higher definition"
matthew forbes Hahahaha
Fredster who cares Fred are you the police
I allow someone to get this 1k like
Lmfaoo
Mhm.
*Dutch died below a mountain and Arthur died on Top of One....*
Arthur dies on the bottom of a mountain if you go after the money.
Ryan James McInnis (RMatic Design) I believe the canon ending is the bad rep one where Micah hands Arthur the L to the forehead with his .44 Cal. Still dies on top of the mountain tho
Nub Scrublet Nah I’m pretty sure the canon ending is the high honor one where Dutch just sorta walks away and Micah “Mehs” away.
@videogamedunkey official I'd agree to, but it just seems that Micah would kill him being Micah and all
Yeah well pointed out. Thanks I missed that :D
It’s a shame Dutch’s fashion left with his brain cells.
Lumbago Man I just subbed to ya. Big laugh
Aren’t you supposed to be dead is this time line
Careful not to work yourself to death there uncle...
Uncle YOU PARASITE
He never had any.
11 year old me when Dutch dies: *haha yes... die trash*
Present me: *damn*
so true
Stfu
@Travis Livengood I was when rdr was around
@@tobivon2074 so how old are you now?
@@jacobkubax3488 tf you care. 17. I was 11 when I played rdr
It's nice to have a Red Dead Redemption 2 as a backstory, when John says things like, "You left me to die" we now know what he's talking about
(Except they retconned the original bank story to the train. But the principle still holds
@@StephenMckeighen Dutch did leave John to hang after the Bank job in Saint Denis
True, but it doesn't really help that there's multiple times Dutch just decided "Nah" in the story, though I will admit I was wrong in this sense
@@StephenMckeighen I'm more concerned over this line from the first game
"Ms. MacFarlane, I'm married. I have a wife and a son, I had a daughter but she died..."
Where's John's daughter
@@henrichvonruben9114 I mean, they could've had one up in the Yukon, or before Ross stuck his nose in John's business. But I'm just speculating here.
"I've got a plan John"
"You always got a plan Dutch"
Goddammit this exchange after the second game
Guilherme Brasil I caught that too
AND IT ALWAYS INVOLVES A TRAIN :\
I just need some tiiiime... And money... Money to get us out of here FOR GOOD!
*spoiler ahead*
*_proceeds to pick on the army_*
HAVE... A LITTLE FAITH.
Tahiti :B
"Hello John. We gotta stop meeting like this." Could it be referred to the meeting they had on the mountain with Micah and Sadie?
I think he was more referring to the hostage scene in the bank, but yes that works too.
No because it hadn’t been written yet
@@shaunogden9706 obviously, but rdr2 is a prequel and at the end, John and Dutch meet on top of a snowy mountain while pointing guns at each other. This shows us that Dutch is obviously talking about the meeting with Micah and Sadie.
Rockstar didnt have Johns entire backstory written down, but they had an idea of what they wanted it to be like. Lines like when Dutch says "we gotta stop meeting like this" prove this because its almost the exact same situation as rdr2's epilogue.
Basically, rdr1 set the groundwork for Marstons background and rdr2 is rockstar taking that groundwork and expanding on it
no that just makes no sense at all
@@blax140 it makes alot of sense wym ?
After all these years, Dutch finally learned how to set up a fort instead of a camp so he won't get raided so easily.
thats because he was staying in one place for a long time. Whereas back in the day they would move all the time
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Don't you mean after all "them" years?
"I got a plan john" "you always got a plan dutch"
this has so much weight to it after rdr2
Spartan jaws and it always involves a goddamn train
Quickscop3r4u that’s my line!
“I HAD A GOD DAMN PLAN!”
TAHITIIIII
Spartan jaws I bet dutchs image of heaven for him is him and the camp farming bananas in tahiti
“Our time is passed, John.” Dutch finally realises what Arthur has been telling him all along. The days of outlaws were over.
Were thieves in a world that don't want us no more. I'm glad someone gets it.
The wild west began in 1865 and was slowly ending by 1895. By the time of RDR2 the wild west outlaws we're diminishing and by RDR1 it's almost over and you gotta make the last of it.
Jacob Pace that’s the way it is....
@@greaterhalo0659 than world war 1 begon that was the end of everything in the wild west
I've also noticed Edgar Ross seems to be hunting down the rest of the gang for revenge for agent Miltons death.
7:56 I never realised it at the time, but when Dutch shoots her, it must have been the same type of stunt he pulled on the riverboat, allowing himself and others to escape by killing the other woman on the ferry job.
Good analysis 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Yep. Seems like John knew it was about to happen too. “Easy Dutch..”
Sean also mentions Dutch was the main reason they escaped the boat.
@@magiccookies420when and where does Sean say this ?
@@bodesea8586 Arthur asked him about the ferry job and Sean mentions how people are too hard on Dutch. It's during one of their rides, might have been a robbery? Or Pouring Out Oil. You only have like 5 missions with the guy in the whole game.
@@yourgoodfriend276 are you sure it is Sean and not Javier ? I recall Javier saying this when we go fishing with him, but not Sean
1:05 in Red Dead you rarely hear the F word. So when you do It's a special thing.
You forgot Shaky you "F-F-F-Fuckin F-F-F-F-Fuck"
Just like the walking dead
The only crime Dutch committed was wearing a skin tone shirt
Fair enough
Cody Bowers swear i thought he was topless for a fat minute
I think this is an interesting point. In rdr2 he's always "well dressed". In rdr1 it looks he doesn't give a fuck because he knows his end is coming
The Liberal Destroyer I swear, I thought he was in pajamas in every encounter
And I thought he was half naked
Dutch: Our time is passed, John (1911)
Arthur: Our time has pretty much passed (1899)
After 12 years, Dutch finally accepts it.
Dutch probably remembers Arthur there. So sad to see
Funny, Dutch didn't say: I have a plannnnn.
TAHITI
@@laukevin3648 he said it
@@Cannonata12 Yeah I found that lol
At 15:00, Dutch looked up and saw a silhouette, somehow recognized it as John, aimed a *pistol with one hand*, and would have gotten a head shot had it not been for the binoculars.
Call this man crazy, but he has charisma, style, and aim. Truely a man to fear.
Yeah Dutch was one of the most looked for guys in the wild west and he survived through all of RDR2, probably some of his skill that saved him along with his charisma
I don't think he wanted kill John, just scary him. Maybe.
when you think of it, Dutch is also a protagonist so it's more than likely he also has deadeye. just like John, Arthur and Micah as well. of course time doesn't slow down for them, but they're really skilled marksmen
@@calebesagaz5226he shot him in the head..he wanted to kill him.
@@lukabrasi001dead eye is not a superpower..
Its a gameplay mechanic to represent these guys' gun skills
It's sad to see a gang like this shriveled, Arthur was right, time has passed.
Fuck you pig!! Jk.
All of this hits so much harder and cuts so much deeper after RDR2
Tizona76 do you speak English or nah?
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Somehow Dutch’s statement “I got a plan” has a lot more meaning somehow.
@shane emersen their*
BLACK BULL Maybe on some parts. I don’t think anybody in the entire fucking game ever said the name “Arthur Morgan” in RDR1 but they probably had ideas of making a prequel
21:32 antagonize
21:35 Defuse
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33:10 Antagonize
33:15 Defuse
Yep
Funny asf😂😂
YES! Arthur= (Antagonize) "You ain't so tough"
NCP= "WHAT'D YOU SAY?"
Arthur= (defuse) "Nah I'm just joking"
Repeat until fight or gun fight ensues
It's sad how when Dutch says "you can't erase the past killing me won't make it go away" he's completely right as John believes that by killing his old friends he is cleansing himself of his sins in the past but Dutch is proven right by how the world and government doesn't simply forget about him and in fact hunt him down and kill him just like the others
John turned into Micah in rdr1. He was "ruthless" and working for government, just like how micah did
@@Random10027 except he wasn’t. Marston gave Dutch, Escuella and Williamson a chance to come with him alive and all of them fought him to their ends. Even if he didn’t offer them a chance to surrender it would’ve still been justifiable considering the circumstances and the fact that all three of them were kinda trash people
@@Random10027 Micah's family wasn't at threat. John did what he had to do to keep his family safe, and in the end it was his son that avenged his death.
Like Dutch says “when Im gone, they’ll just find another monster”
And they did.
I think Dutch is partly messing with his head and also projecting. John was doing that mostly because his family was being threatened, and Dutch was, in fact, acting like a monster.
Dutch’s final speech about how “we can’t fight gravity” before he jumps, is almost identical to the speech he gives to the Army before jumping off the cliff into the river in RDR2.
When I heard that in rdr 2 I got flashbacks of Dutch in rdr 1 backing off the cliff.
@@namedoesntmatter9330 As someone who played the 1st game first, I knew it the minute I heard it in 2 💯
That what he thought of when he had his back against the wall for the last time, Arthur.
Something tells me he'll reiterate it again in some form in RDR3
Noticed that as well. Truly the best games ever made
1:05 when someone spoils RDR2 in the comment section
😂
Jarry W does he say fuck often?
@@aqibkhan2491 No he doesnt, but god damn that word has so much weight when he says it lmao. Especially since no form of media uses the word "fuck".
Lmao
@@aqibkhan2491 I believe that's the one and only time John says fuck in RDR1. I think he says it a couple times in 2.
I honestly will pay 60 dollars if rockstar released a dlc remake of red dead 1 using all the red dead 2 hd mechanics and gameplay. So crazy how the story of two video games intertwine one another so well
so like remastered?
Yeah. Except John will be able to swim in both of them. Red Dead 2 with the update, Red Dead 1 with the remaster.
I'd pay over 60 for a remake of rdr
And add dialogue with characters mentioning Arthur.
rumor says they will work on it since its impossible to remaster rdr1 due to fucked up code and since rdr1's whole map is in the game (mexico is there just not fully made but all the terrain is there) its easier.
I love the contrast of Dutch and John’s end - Dutch gives up the fight selfishly when himself is all he has left, while John gives up the fight nobly so his family can live free. Just poetic and great.
And Dutch had that same opportunity when Milton walked into camp and said he’d let the rest of the gang run off if he handed himself over. Dutch could’ve done that for his family but was indeed selfish
@@BPK5 I don't doubt that deep down Dutch is selfish, but Milton would've never kept his word on that and would've had the rest of the gang killed as well, just as Ross did later on with John.
@@suleymanbabak1973 I think if he encountered them again he would’ve. He probably knew that the gunmen like Arthur, John, Micah, bill, Charles, Javier, etc wouldn’t be able to live normally and continue to be outlaws so he’d get to hunt them down regardless. And when he catches them say well I gave you a chance and you didn’t take it. I still think Milton would’ve kept his word as long as they disappeared and didn’t cause problems
@@suleymanbabak1973 he also called Dutch a “messiah who led them horribly astray.” So really he’s under the impression that Dutch pretty much possessed them to act the way they do, and with him gone and not being able to follow his leadership they’d be forced to live normally. That’s why he only wanted Dutch cuz they really viewed him as evil and his followers as nothing more than possessed and needing to be broken free
@@BPK5 he wanted Dutch of course, as leader and infamous, dangerous outlaw.
But there's no way he would've kept his word and let go of Hosea, Arthur, Micah and most of the rest of the muscle.
People like Milton and Ross blackmail you and don't keep their word, the story of the game says that.
At most, I can concede that they would've let go the women and some non combatants members like the Reverend and Pearson.
The guy who played Edgar Ross did a great job in this game. He's played so perfectly smug and hypocritical yet somehow seems to sound reasonable at times. He likes to talk philosophy and go on classic Rockstar Game monologues. He's really a lot like Dutch. He just has a salary.
I do like that he also represents the opposite of Dutch, being a technophile, using the latest innovations in a fight when they aren't strictly necessary and even giving Marston the best pistol in the game as a gift.
its crazy how Ross says "in the end you didn't have the guts to shoot him" but Ross never put himself under fire...he always just showed up at the end of everything
Tira Diaz a year late I know, but In the end of red dead 2 you can hear Younger Ross shouting out orders, but never actually see him.
@@sharpdagger7473 canonically he actually did take part in a ton of shootouts wot the van der linde gang it’s just in RDR2 they don’t let u see him for obvious reasons
Well, with the entire death of Dutch, he was injured during that. Remember the car crash? Lol
I think one of the subtle takeaways from that scene is that Ross says that quite passively, shoots Dutch with John's gun, says "it looks better on the report that way", then they frame John for being a murderer despite being sent out to kill Dutch to begin with
Because Ross was scared to go after Dutch alone lmao. Dutch could've killed the entire pinkerton army if ross never found john
"I'm gonna hand you over to him and watch him tear you limb from limb"
"What"
"Just kidding"
Does anyone else think mcdougal isn’t even a real professor and just a junkie poising as a professor?
@@mitchellneuhoff9946 Nah, he has a book in the Saint Denis fence in RDR2, it's part of one of the "secret businesses" some shops have
@Gordon Ramsay "Abigail, teach the boy right from wrong."
@@corruptgunslinger "Stop biting chunks outta people."
Antagonize and Defuse
Arthur Morgan is such a REAL and memorable character that I can literally feel his presence in all the scenes with John and Dutch.
Uh, ok. Weirdo. Lol.
He’s not a weirdo, we all feel mr Morgan in our hearts that’s how memorable he is we remember him in this game, even before he was created
@@sarumike-bb5ip lol LMAO
John? Insist?
For real, the character design in these games are something to behold
When dutch says "redemption is now John"
and John replies "you better stay red dead!"
Truly one gaming moment of All Time!
This shouldn’t be funny but it still is.
Oh I get it!! because the name is red dead redemption! lolol 😂
this is gaming 🚬
Time stamp plz
@@themandalorian6999 yea I need that stamo
When I'm gone they just gonna find another monster to hunt.
And that was marston
Hanchock Elias except John wasn’t a monster he was a good man
No it was jack
The monster was Ross
______ What? No.
luke I’m just saying Ross was worse than an outlaw
When I'm gone, they'll just find another monster. They have to, because they have to justify their wages.
-Dutch Van Der Linde 1911
Yep, and then they killed John Marston.
The sad part is in reality its still like that
Meanwhile in the middle east...
How am I meant to take you seriously when you have a name like that
NYPD yearly budget is more than 6 billion. If new york was a nation. Nypd budget would place it as the 33rd best funded military. LAPD is 5 billion. HPD is 5 billion.
I rolled my eyes when I learned rdr2 was a prequel. But after playing it a revisiting this game It's beautiful how well they connect. Like the writers were itching to tell an even bigger story when writing the first game.
sort of like how the star wars also started in the middle of the story, then followed it up with the prequels
@@lukabrasi001and just like the first guy said, because of the prequels there have literally been so many other shows, stories and books that show just how big the starwars universe is now, with all the video games, TV shows, comics, and lore
No one speaks of arthur in rdr 1 because he was added later to the story which makes the story bad
@@Alpharabius99If a mention of a character that died 12 years prior is such a big deal then I don't think it matters lol
@@evilk5271 have you played the first game sir?
“They’ll find another monster.” Damn after seeing what happens to John, Dutch was right
I implore u to play the second game lol
"We're gonna kill the both of ya"
"Why do ya wanna do a thing like that?"
"I don't know... sport? I guess"
"Fair enough!"
God I love them two
Is that you Jern?(John)
nOw WhO hErE iS bEtRaYiNg Me
One small fact that I really love about Dutch in this game is that he’s using a semi automatic pistol a modern weapons that does not have anything to do with the wild west it really shows how he’s completely disillusioned himself so I’m trying to keep himself free from the modern world
and in rdr2 he dress very fine, to the point he would fit in with the upper class folks dutch says he hates, he stands out alot, and he seems to have the best horse (it's a elite), even his gun seems to be pretty well made, even back then he was disillusional
sure arthur and john can get those things too, but it's not something they get doing the story and seems to be more gameplay than story
@@goldietheswagbear8288 Not really, many criminals dressed like that back in the day, i think its simply meant to signify that he is the leader.
Clothing and technology didn’t have much to do with Dutch’s philosophy anyway, he only really ever cared about aboloshing law and making America anarchist.
semi auto pistol is in RDR2 also tbf
Dutch also used to have a phonograph in his tent, which was still a high tech and expensive innovation in the year 1899, and certainly not something from the old wild west.
The Semi Auto Pistol used by Dutch Vanderlinde is actually obsolete, especially in 1911, it's an Old Borschart designed in the 1890's and was ultimately replaced almost immediately by the C96 and eventually the Luger
I feel like there’s still a piece of John that loves Dutch as a father and there’s the internal struggle.
John may not have followed Dutch anymore, but there was a small shred of him in there that still admired Dutch. It’s like watching a parent grow old and develop dementia. Little by little they become less and less recognizable. John even says “Dutch was a good man once before he went crazy.” Dutch slowly lost his mind as the pressure came down on him. Arthur was his last straw. Only reason he didn’t kill John in RDR2’s epilogue is because he only went after Micah to avenge Arthur. Dutch still loved John, but even he knew that by this time it was too late to make things right. Though Dutch does try and warn John that even if John is successful that the government won’t forget his involvement with the gang. It’s quite deep
@@silentsangheili4895 "like watching a parent grow old and develop dementia"
Great analysis.
A parents betrayal hurts but I believe you’ll always love them, even if only a little.
John puts his gun away immediately after Dutch throws his away. John seems relieved
@@waxerwaer9700yeah it’s the exact same analysis drmick gave in his play through of of rdr2. Idk if commenter took it from there but highly recommend it
"You are nothing. You do nothing. You mean nothing. You stand for nothing. And when the law catches up to you, you will die like nothing."- Angelo Bronte to Dutch.
Yet he still died like a legend of the Wild west
@@theclown2664 He died like a sad, pathetic, piece of garbage murderer of innocent people.
For once, Bronte spoke the truth. Self-righteous, hypocritical killers of the innocent.
After the ending of RDR2 every scene with Dutch in this game makes so much more sense; after witnessing John work with the government and kill off his old gang members Dutch must have believed John was the rat all along, and the anger stems from him thinking he was tricked for years.
You may be into something my friend. Thinking from a different persons view
This has to be the greatest take on it yet, damn I miss this game
Foxtrot I definitely think they are trying to highlight the hypocrisy though. Dutch says he wants to make a better world by killing people who don’t fit that agenda. The government wanna kill dutch to make a better world and he doesn’t fit that agenda.
Spoilers* (not really but look at your own risk)
About the time after guarma Dutch tells Arthur how everything going wrong may be going right for someone else and makes it clear he’s talking about John bc he talks about how Abigail escapes and John doesn’t do or get hanged yet
@@thecircusfreak5364 Of course, but maybe he thought he knew. Seeing John chasing after Bill and Javier maybe made him think he killed Micah for the wrong reasons when it should've been John all along. Don't know if Rockstar would have thought that through though.
Watching Dutch die feels far more significant after completing RDR2.
I just wish he looked like he does in rdr 2 it like i wish they remade this game with rdr2 graphics
Ebbtide42 his voice in this isn’t anywhere near as good as RDR2 as well lol
@@ebbtide4233 or simply release an ps4 remaster version or something
Thordan the hell are you talking about it’s the same voice actor
@@JJ_Adventures its literally the same voice actor, Benjamin Byron Davis. The hell you talking about boah hahahaha
After playing the second game, I didn't kill any of the old gang members this time around.
I captured Escuella and let Williamson speak his piece before Reyes shot him instead.
Makes the last scene with Dutch all the more poignant when you know John never had it in him to kill any of the gang.
kinda wish John didn’t distrust Dutch from the beginning tho, doesn’t really give a chance to see any of the bond they had prior to the first game. In the first camp there’s multiple dialogues of John and Dutch arguing they should’ve left most of that for the last 2 chapters
I dont care what anybody said johns death was the saddest death scene in a video game, I remembered when I played...I cried for real
Arthur’s death was more, especially if u had the high honour one
@@jeep_singh1614
Once you realize what Arthur had to do to make sure John and his family was out of that life, so they can live a better one. It still makes johns death super sad.
@@TheScenes618 Arthur told him to “run and not look back”. Unfortunately John went after Micah and ross and archer picked up his trail and found him. In the end it was John’s inability to let go of the past that caught up with him
Lee from the walking dead
@@helsmar2762 Yes, absolutely. Tore me up.
So the whole thing with Dutch inducing Eagle Flies and the other natives to attack the army in RDR2 was foreshadowing how he would use them for his advantage during the events of RDR1 as well, years later.
Not really "advantage" he has kinda realized his time has passed, so better piss off the governaments with others that have nothing to lose
He did in fact say that they already lost their families
@@bruschetta7711 that makes it even worse. He’s basically sentencing angry and young orphaned natives to their deaths for something he knows is pointless. That’s what vile scummy cult leaders do
@sandmankreuzritter8217 rdr2 is a prequel dumbass
@Sandman Kreuzritter Naw, really?
@Sandman Kreuzritter It’s a prequel so it is chronologically speaking. Is it hard to believe they planned it?
18:40 "Damn you Dutch" I was wondering why he said that back then. I thought the natives had enough reasons to be angry.
But after playing RDR2 (SPOILER ALERT!) you can see how Dutch tried to manipulate peoples anger and hate and turn it into mindless rage to suit his own agenda. He did this with the natives back then too, and with most of his own gang members as well. Only a few people like Arthur, John, Charles, and Hosea were able to notice it all eventually.
P
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whyt about sadie and grimmshaw
just like democrats
@@tmp123451000 juts everyvare do
I love the touch at 18:42 where John tries to pull the hammer back on his semi-auto pistol.
Dutch is one of the most interesting characters in the history of video games.
Fact. Dutch is also one of my favorite video game characters.
Dutch really brings such a tragic story. Truly red dead redemption as a whole is a tragic story, more sadder than any other video game.
Seriously man. A gang destined for happiness and yet everyone goes psychotic leaving the gang in a wreck. Such a sad story, no1 in the van der linde gang survives apart from Jack.
GTR Rohit actually they never say that Charles is dead. Or Sadie. Pearson and tilly.
@@poketz100 yeah true
@@poketz100 or mary beth
@@poketz100 or swanson or trelawny
“I’ve got a plan John”
“We just need more money”
Sam Davies and go to Tahiti
Just one more score
Just one more score and we will farm mangos on tahiti
I've never played Red Dead 1 myself, but holy fuck is Dutch's death scene so good. His insanity is still pushing him, yet he sounds exhausted. As opposed to Chapter 6, when Dutch was more like a loose cannon, just waiting to go off. Here, he sounds frail and tired. Really hope Rockstar remasters this game at some point. Would love to play it.
Damn, people (myself included) don't give enough credit to Edgar Ross. He embodies the "ever duller world of facts" that Dutch talks about with the perfect amount of sliminess. What a great character.
I truly feel sorry for anyone that couldn’t play this when it came out.
Must’ve played through Red Dead 1 5+ times over the years just for the story.
If anyone hasn’t played it, get an Xbox One or PlayStation. It’s worth every penny.
An Xbox one? You mean a 360 or is it backwards compatible now?
Lucif it’s backwards Compatible on Xbox One.
Plus, you can play it on PS4 with PS Now.
Lucif it’s been backwards compatible for like 5 months maybe longer
Percival Sargon yup I ain’t got the new xbox so rdr2 isn’t possible now but i got this game instead
@@shaun7389 ps4??? Rdr1? You sure?
Am I the only one who noticed that Dutch and Nastas are voiced by the same dude?
Oh good I thought i was the only one
Me too🙈😂
flangoo22 and John and Nastas killer
Nope, I noticed it immediately and I haven't even played the game XD
I noticed that too
Archer was such a cool character. He was genuinely a good guy trying to do the right thing. He never tried to get under John's skin like Ross, he never thretened him, never was dishonest about what he was expecting from John. If you watch at the end he's not there, implying he didn't agree to it since John held up his part of the deal.
yeah he was rly cool ;_;,
Lol did you miss the part about him shouting about the whole gang banging Abigail, but Marston married her? Even if it is to question if marrying makes him better, that seems like trying to dig under skin
@@wizardwaluigi8623 he’s talking about agent Archer I think , not Dutch
@@0.experience yeah my bad I missed Archer. Archer was cool lol
One of the most tragic “antagonists” in a video game. The corruption and the fall of Dutch Van Der Linde is truly one of the most fascinating yet heartbreaking stories to come from a video game. Just beautifully done. I could go on and on, and I’ll always be a Devil’s advocate when it comes to him, but regardless of how you feel about him, he’s truly an amazing character.
Nah, he’s too “woke” for my liking.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465what is "woke" and how is dutch "woke"?
@@Levinsbun
I don’t have time to waste explaining something to someone who clearly has been living under a rock for the last 5 years. The internet is at your disposal, clearly. Use it to educate yourself, like us intelligent people do.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 I feel like you think of yourself as more intelligent than you actually are. Kinda like Dutch lol. Is "woke" in the room with you right now?
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 I know you think you're smart, but calling anything you don't like woke won't impress anyone.
Now i can understand after finishing red dead redemption 2
Makes it all more tragic tbh. Deep down dutch is a good man, a visionary with flaws but he is a good person. Micah screws with dutch's mind though which causes his fall.
@@LGinux Dutch's biggest downfall was his ego and his inability to listen to others because he always believed he was the smartest man in the room. A common mistake is that everyone believes that Dutch's fall is all due to Micah's doing. I believed that too, until Milton said that Micah only squealed when he came back from Guarma. Dutch was already losing it by then. So while I believe he had a hand in speeding things up, Dutch's fall wasn't Micah's doing. Most of it was Dutch himself and Micah got out cause he saw how unhinged Dutch was becoming.
Kaozman thats true
Arthur could have killed all those guys pointing at john with one clip
Burak Öztürk evet sonu çok üzücü hem de her şeyi birleştiren bir sondu arthur zaten ölüyordu ama yinede dutch büyük ayıp etti
"Our time has passed, John" everytime i hear that line i cry inside.
It makes miss the night when they got Jack back and they were all singing happily around the campfire, Dutch with his cigar in hand.
I like how so many years have passed but John still greets Dutch as if he was real like a father to him. I mean i like how John says "Hello Dutch"' its sounds like really in the past Dutch was a very close person to John
the voice actor of the proffessor is so talented
All the actors in this wonderful game are very talented.
reminds me of that voice from gex 3 enter the gecko
BALLOOONY
@@Azathorth *cough* jack *cough*
Why does everybody hate Jack so much? He’s still just a teenager, damn.
All these scenes have so much more meaning to me now that there’s a prequel
Littlefizzz that’s what a good prequel does it makes the one that came before it better than it ever was before
The prequel means so much more after playing the first game
Dutch was so easy to hate in RD1 because he was basically ust a common outlaw and murderer.
Dutch's story is definitely a tragedy! Yes he was always a stone cold killer but he only did so in RD2 when he felt like it would be for the best interests of all those he love and cared for.
Dutch's issue was he was obsessed with "One last heist" in order to start a new life. I guess you could say this was his addiction. In the end that mentality began to cost him his sanity and led him down a path that ultimately led to his death.
30:47 reminds me of the mountain in that moment when Arthur faces the sun for the last time
Now that I think about it, Dutch knew they were gonna go after John and his family. “They’ll find another monster”, “our time has passed”, he was pretty much saying that John was destined to die by them.
And John failed to get the message
Well john was never known for his smarts, but for his skills with a gun.. Its true he was destined to die like them. For even if he kept his "jim milton" name while getting the bank loan he wouldn't pass up the opportunity to kill micah, which is what got him caught in the first place.
@@luizmarinho6138 Nah, he just couldn't risk his family's safety
The life of the Van Der Linde Gang is truly a sad tale, yet filled with morals of love and loyalty. Truly a story of Humanity pushed to survive. A Gang turned Family. From rdr2 to this one, watching each gang member meet their fate hits home
Honor among thieves
I also just love how….completely unhinged he sounds. And John sounds almost terrified of him in a way. He knows how manipulative he is, and what he’s capable of. Rather unsettling honestly.
7:17 "But equally, i never took you for an errand boy"
I know Arthur hasn't written yet during the time of Red Dead Redemption, but i can't help to feel this line is for him considering at one point of the story in the second game, Arthur complaining that he's becoming an errand boy for Dutch and there's also that prize pony line too
Hello again, John
We gotta stop meeting like this.
I gotta plan John
You've always got a plan, dutch
This is a good one.
Does it involve a train
Is it just me or does Blackwater just seem so unfinished?
Kriskazam I basically exploded the entire black water (and everything south of it) and found a copy good things other than that it’s just empty
Couple not copy
I have fond memories of playing poker there in the gentlemen's attire. Good times......
Back in the time RDR was new, we all though Blackwater was the height of technological development. It had cars, a functional* pier, people wearing modern 20th century attire and whole lot. But we compare 1911 Blackwater to 1899 St. Denise that damn city WAS WAY more advanced. A larger pier with ships dotting it, a active train station, the entire city was so alive it was like it real. And that was 1899 alone. The 1899 Blackwater was on the verge of developing and just beginning
Articus Ramos it’s interesting to see how the world has developed in less than 50 years. Just compare 1899 to 1949 (just stay out of Germany during 1933-1945)
“You group has been, shall we say, disbanded.”
That’s a jab towards what happened from the Saint Denis bank all the way to when Arthur died if I’d ever heard one. They’re lucky John wanted to put his life together or else he would’ve shot them both.
I always make sure that Jack used this gun 3:15 to kill Ross at the end.
That's some good shit
@@elekm2891 i used to think it was a 1911 but its actually a mixture of a browning and another pistol
It looks better in the report that way
@@lumaseed6490 It's an FN 1903.
@@chriss3208 It's an FN Model 1903.
Dutch doesn't sound the same in RDR. He doesn't have that same charisma when he talks, he doesn't talk with such conviction anymore. He resorts to petty insults in RDR and just sounds completely broken. He isn't the same Dutch he was in RDR2
Mr. Black that’s the lore. As rd2 progressed he slowly turned into the Dutch you’re pointing out, but I get it. Dutch lost it too much.
And his voice cracks a lot more, which reflects his insanity.
It makes sense considering how emotionally drained he was
The one game that connects immeasurably well with its prequel. Right in the feels.
The Rdr1 story would make an anticlimatic sequel if it was released after rdr2 but seeing the story in the reverse order just makes it so good
While playing rdr 1 we never knew that a second legend character would bring us to tears...
14:00 sounds like John got a habit of abandoning injured natives on a snowy mountain
Grey Soul What do u mean, the native american himself said go on. If this is a joke don’t whoosh me please.
@@keknov5555 I think he was referring John leaving Charles at the start of the mountain in the mission " American venom" in red dead 2,and leaving the man in red dead 1.
ronan the lone wanderer oh I thought he was saying that John left the native there just because.
28:22
8 years later it’s still hilarious 😂
It’s just crazy how a RDR2 was able to put all the dialogue between John and Dutch on another level. It’s as if the voice actors themselves already knew the entire story of red dead 2 and how to voice these scenes perfectly.
31:05 couldn’t be more perfect unless Dutch mentioned the Mangos in tahiti
Dutch's fashion sense went with his sanity
Anyone else notice at 31:05 when Dutch says “this is a good one" regarding his plan is very similar to Morgan’s situation with him
Yeah I noticed the same thing
Both Arthur and John said “you’ve always gotta plan”
Because I do.
Dutch Van Der Linde but do you have FAITH
What I love about watching this now after RDR 2 is that you can see how much John has grown with the help of Arthur and also how far Dutch has fallen and how crazy hes gotten
You mean hosea influence john to get his life together and arthur just gave him a little push at the end of rdr2
I don't know why but Dutch seems to be the most complex character of all time.
Can’t believe how many of you haven’t even played rdr1 who are playing the prequel. Get on it after you beat the second, even if it is a bit dated
I played a little bit of the original but at the time I was like what 8 I didnt understand the story very well and I didnt even finish the game. Now that I'm older I wish I could have played rdr 1 in full understandable mode. Still have my ps3 and rdr but I'm missing a cord
Not to mention some people dont even realise RDR2 is a prequel, its insane.
@@solidsnake6206 you're good just play 2 then play 1 so you can see it in its entirety. You'll understand the characters much more. It's sad to see Dutch like this cuz he's so proud in the prequel*****
Its Okay to play the prequel first because
It Does Not Spoil Anything From The First Game
Besides After That We Could Buy RDR and Play
Cameron Berry now rdr1 is the true rdr2 for people who ain’t playin the first one 😂
Now I'm just surprised that the government has no idea about Charles or Sadie.
I think I remember Charles saying something about Canada but Sadie? She said she was setting up her own company in the U.S.
@@imswanronson3558 she did say something about heading to south america too, so either option is pretty likely
I'm Swan Ronson Sadie only went on one job with the gang at the end so it’s not that hard to believe that they wouldn’t know her. I’m kind of annoyed that Charles lived though because Ross would have definitely sent John after him.
@@EE-md2lr MAJOR RDR2 SPOILERS AHEAD!!!
Yep, the whole ending didn't make much logical sense, but it couldn't deviate from its course because of Red Dead 1. At the mountaintop, John finds Micah's stash of money, giving him 20000 dollars (After presumably splitting it with Charles and Sadie). This would be more than enough to leave the country (with Dutch possibly, after he redeems himself shooting Micah) Marston had no reason to try and hide in plain sight, other than the fact that the storyline was forced into lining up with RDR1. (That and the whole Abigail being tired of running thing.)
IMO Dutch shouldn't have made that final appearance, with some final showdown dialogue stating "Dutch went his own way" The chest full of money should have been a "Indiana Jones Last Crusade" moment, where the chest is lost in an avalanche or rockslide. This would explain why John doesn't show more emotion when confronting Dutch again in RDR1, and why he didn't leave the country.
I'm Swan Ronson she said she would leave the us
33:15 I love that Ross knew John was going to kill him right then and there so he was forced to tell john the truth.
I feel like Dutch knew that once he was dead that they would kill John
I can’t ever see Johns hat the same after finishing rdr2
Why?
@@tml9868 Spoilers: John customized his hat to be more like Arthur Morgans, after Arthur gives john his hat and tells him to run and never look back, for his family, and for himself. And whilst dying of turberculosis he defends John's retreat until the last second having to fend off bounties of government agents and lawmen and fighting the traitor micah before dying of his disease.
I know what happens in the game, a lot of people seem to think they are the same hat for some reason, they a very different and in rdr2 they are 2 separate items, try putting them both on, you'll see the difference.
Arthurs hat has rope around it
@tryhardfo fo it's not the same hat... Go back to RDR 2 and check your hats.
Now it makes more sense why he said “We gotta stop meeting like this” because of what happened in the epilogue of Red Dead 2. Clever, Rockstar...
Nah he said it cause in the dutch story arch of RDR they kept meeting in hostile situations like dutch wanting to kill the professor and John and lawmen catching Dutch robbing a bank. Believe me the developers had no idea WHAT OR IF an RDR 2 would be next so no It had nothing to do with that. I hate to burst you t bubble but it's the truth. Rdr was developed way before rdr 2 if you don't believe me look up some interviews with the cast of Rdr 2 they'll tell you about the production and how the developers made the story of Rdr 2 as they went along. It wasn't all wrote out waiting for years sorry.
@@namedoesntmatter9330 Jesus Christ man no one said they made that line to reference RDR2, however it’s nowhere out of the realm of possibility that they didn’t think this through and add a scene in RDR2 to reference and bring even more clarity to the scene from rdr1
I know that Dutch was no Angel, but his death really hits hard, the way he changed over the years, I played red dead redemption 2 first and never expected Dutch to turn evil at all...
when Dutch said "they'll just find another monster, they have to to justify their wages"
Dutch was saying your up next John.
A wise man once said
"We do not know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realize what you are. That's what death is. Those who turn their hands against their comrades are sure to die a terrible death
aint that itachi's quote?
A wise man once said "Alright, I'll leave you to it then"
**SPOILERS FOR RDR2 AHEAD**
Even though Dutch was a bad guy, I never thought of him as a “bad guy” ya know? Like, yeah, he killed tons of people and betrayed many too but he just wanted to be free so badly that he thought that was the only way he could live his life as a free outlaw. The only reason he left John to die is because he didn’t want to be killed/captured, yeah it’s selfish but can you blame him (also going by what he said afterwards saying, “I didn’t have a choice”).
In RDR2, Arthur kept telling Dutch that outlaws were being taken down and America was being tamed but Dutch didn’t want to believe that he would have to leave this life that he has probably lived his whole life. I can’t really imagine Dutch settling down in a nice farmhouse with friends and family without cause crimes and murders. Also at the end of RDR2 no matter which ending you get, when Arthur is just about to die Dutch doesn’t kill him and join Micah (even though he joins later) he has sympathy towards Arthur, he never wanted him to die. Arthur was “like a son” as Dutch put it, so was John. And at the END of the game when Dutch shot Micah, that was him showing sympathy towards John as well.
The years passed and Dutch final came to his realization that Arthur was right, outlaws were dying and crimes were thinning rapidly. I believe that is why he ended his life, he couldn’t live without the rush of committing murders and robbing banks and trains. It was like, an addiction that was worsening by the year, driving him to want to kill old friends and gang members. One of the main things that I believe really damaged Dutch was when Hosea died, you could hear the grief in Dutch’s voice when Hosea was shot, Hosea was like Yang to the Yin and Yang. Without Hosea’s positive support for the camp and to keep Dutch’s bad tendencies to go out of whack, all went to shit.
*sorry for that long ass comment but thanks for reading. Plz don’t hate if I got anything wrong, I’m not really that in depth with the full stories yet.*
If he didnt want arthur to die why did dutch left him and eagle flies saved him
4999lvl soldier great point!
Thanks for the comment. It was a pleasure to read so dont apologize (make a bigger one lol). I think your view on Dutch is interesting and I agree with a lot you said actually. I hoped that Dutch would have saved Arthur though and he didn't. He actually left him to die twice. That troubles me so much (I fucking love Arthur!!!) because Arthur had served him blindly for so many years and Dutch discarded it while choosing to listen to Micah. I like to think that at Dutch's end he realised the mistake he made and regretted not saving Arthur, a thought that can be argued as he used the same line previously in RDR2 at Arthur's end (cant change etc).
Thanks for the input mate
Dutch is a bad guy from nature. He did so much bad things, what ever was is goal. Robbing bank and killing innocents people. For what ? A kind of "freedom" he wants. He wants an ideal, something utopian. And his interest always pass before everybody, and innocents people. That was a bad boy, what ever nice ideal he was thinking of and he was a leader . Compare to Marston, or Morgan, were just simple buddies. Influenced people. Not bad enough in nature to stay bad whole life. Trying to be influenced by civilization after their thought past and chilhood.
It’s sad how all the people John helped betrayed him even the military that sheriff he helped and even Ross
Seeing Dutch after playing RDR2 is so fascinating
"Errand Boy"
Used for the retrieval trophy in RDR2
I watch this video every Thursday before I go to sleep
Do u still?
rdr2 was the perfect prequel. It makes rdr1 10x more impactful when your attached to the history dutch & John are speaking of. “Our time has passed John” hits me hard
Dutch is a really deep character, after all those replays and videos I still can´t say if he was always evil and twisted or if the circumstances and micah just put him over an edge he didn´t recover from. I guess it is the later since Arthur seems to have quite fond memories of him and Hosea when he was a child.
But on the other hand why would´nt a child idolize his "father", even when he´s as twisted as Dutch.
My impression is that Dutch was always egotistical and deluded, Hosea was what was holding him from going full egomaniac. Without a voice of reason, Micah just sped up the descent into full madness by being a sycophant bastard.
@@IAmCaligvla not just Hosea, the changing times too, that’s one of the main themes of both of these games
I love that the parts of Dutch's final speech before he jumps in RDR1 is in RDR2 when he and Arthur fall backwards into a river to avoid getting killed..
One of my favorite little details about Dutch's death scene is when John says "Then I have to shoot you," and then Dutch smirks and chuckles--since he knows John won't do it because John can't change who he really is either and thus isn't capable of killing Dutch.
The fact that Dutch is completely insane at this point and yet convinces a whole bunch of native americans to follow him in rebel against the white man despite being one himself