John VS Dutch Conversations / Hidden Dialogue /Red Dead Redemption 2
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- John Marston and Dutch's conversations through out Red Dead Redemption 2.
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John: "You've lost it Dutch, tell him Arthur"
Arthur: "😳"
BeJay 😂😂
@@kylerichardson402 the ghost in rdr1 is one of the victim in blackwater train.
BeJay 😂
Brugolo Sparefre I thought that was a riverboat.
@@CrungleFunk ...how many girls Dutch shot in the head ?
Dutch in Chapter 2: "you need to be a better father to Jack, John"
Also Dutch in Chapter 4: "Remember John, the gang comes first"
OMG 😮 I never noticed that!
I mean, Dutch is getting crazier and crazier as the story progresses, so it's either good writing or lazy writing.
He says that in Chapter 1. And he probably was losing his mind from The Blackwater Massacre. Chapters 4, 5, and 6 were his breaking point.
Dutch is literally one of those people who’s ego is so massive he can never admit when he’s wrong, thinks he’s a prophet
@@carlmencia2919 Neither. It's LEGENDARY writing! Dutch is an amazing character.
"Blackwater was about surviving John"
"Not for that girl it wasn't"
Hot damn John, bars
Funny enough, If you do the mysterious stranger quest in RDR 1, he'll comment about this girl that Dutch killed. That's great character foreshadowing and for people who played the first game
Destroyer2150 I noticed that too. Really cool detail.
Destroyer2150 and then he forgot about her
And when we first see Dutch in red dead redemption, he kills a woman he had taken hostage, if I remember right.
I guess it became an habit...
@@herrwelke1353 John didn't forget, The Strange Man mentioned her by name and John didn't know her name.
The fact that John is actually smart. And crazy fearless, it's admirable
I think what terrified Dutch the most is this trait - he can't be tamed, withdrawn and passive, so unpredictable like disappearing for a year with no sign offs or something neither too afraid of repercussions from Dutch or the code.
I relate with John because my dad hates me too with not being a puppet in his own image and without named me Gerald jr. Thank god for my mom though
@@John-fs7oh what
@@hyperpotato1197 John Marston
It's John Marston, mans is the wild west.
Dutch and John have heated confrontation frought with tension
Bill: I wish I had a scar 4:11
Lmaooo
He's thinking about the scar better than the real problem 😂
I mean, he eventually got one in rdr1. A gunshot to the head.
His wish became true
Bill mentions Dutch saying John was am arrogant SoaB, that's the part when he said it
You havent seen passive aggressive until you've seen dutch interact with john
See him interact with Uncle and Lenny
@@solitary2 seems like when Dutch is proven wrong he starts to get aggressive
Thats how narcists work..amd dutch is a massive narcist from the start...and was going downhill from the start of rd2... it was obvious more and more that be was only working for himself ans manipulating and using everyone for his own benefit. Another typical narcist thing: acusing others of things you are doing to them.
AND it's so obvious that Micah was a Mule....from the start he worked with the pinkertons and tried to hide behind accusing john and arthur being traitors.
😂😂😂
"This is Micah's doing. I know it."
*Silence*
He has no response because Arthur's right.
He knows, he just don't wonna admit it
Good that lead gut got fucked by john and dutch
This is a perfect example why you don't surround yourself with only yes men. But also people who are not afraid to say their two cents.
Pride comes before a downfall. A haughty spirit will come to a fall.
@@BronzeFelix His ego won't let him admit it, even when Arthur was dying at his feet. Even if Dutch regrouped with the others after Butcher Creek (aside from Micah), I guarantee his paranoia led to him eventually become hostile with Bill and Javier as well, which also likely led them to abandon Dutch at some point.
Dutch: “you just let me do the thinking ..”
John: “…And I just do the hanging?”
Johns clap backs are top tier 😭😭😭
This is why arthur is the favorite child
@@The_officer_of_videos Nah, Micah's your favourite child
Based af
He's always been savage as hell
Yup💀
1:04 *John notice before us all, he warned us. But we didnt listen...*
Uncle was the same way, he definitely noticed it before John
They all noticed but they couldn't just leave the gang
That’s why it’s silly whenever I hear someone say that Arthur is the reason John woke up. Arthur helped John and gave him the means to leave the gang but he definitely did not cause John to question Dutch. John was waking up to Dutch’s poor decisions before Arthur was. Take the conversation between them as he and Arthur are riding to Shady Belle to scout it out for the first time. John clearly expresses doubts about Dutch and his plans and Arthur is still defending him and telling John to keep faith in him and not overthink it.
@@erronmorgan993 Uncle seen through his ass. Some of the sly remarks he'd make made you think he may have been in that mans head the way he read him like a book
@@Dagger_323 👍🏻
I really like how John is doubting Dutch the whole game because of what happens at black water. Yes Arthur has his doubts a little but trusts him mainly because Hosea trusts him and according to his journal he admits to loving Hosea more than Dutch. After Hosea was killed and Arthur got really sick was he finally able to see that John is right. It's a well crafted story.
I think the main reason why is that John saw Dutch and Micah on the ferry. Arthur wasn't present for it and had no idea how far Dutch had gone. If Arthur and Hosea SAW Dutch kill the girl then they would immediately begin to question what sort of man Dutch was.
@@sohflipz4439 what girl?
Mohammed Muhi Uddin in blackwater Dutch shot a girl for no reason, either in the heat of the moment or on purpose.
Arthur liked Hosea like a father. He even say he is "his dead father". Dutch is something else. But he still sticks to him until the very end in a way. John was always more of a rebelling type.
Liking not loving Arthur ain't gay
riding through the swamps my horse: 11:30
Or dickhead gators...
I dont know why but I heard this 100 time and one of this time i heard that Dutch said GODDAMN STAKES))
"Eeeeeasy boy, easy!"
for me its *MOTHA FUCKIN GATORS!!!*
*G O D D A M N S N A K E S*
I have to admit, the reason John was starting to see through all of Dutch's talk and loyalty was because he was in Blackwater. Neither Hosea or Arthur were there to see it, and some part of me thinks that was on purpose. John was first of the gang to realize what Ducth did was just wrong and it worse from there
Arthur simps literally coming up with excuses why John could NOT be smarter than their favourite videogame character now LOL
dude go back to f'n reddit already, holy sh*t man
I also like to think him running away for a year kinda helped change his view on the world
John got to see how much the world was changing in that time, so when he came back he saw how much Dutch was trying to live in the past.
@@rodrigoalbano354 it makes sense. Since all the members through out their lives were fed by dutchs beliefs and ideologys, and while things weren't as strict as we see in rdr2 for for camp (Arthur says that things were looser back then) obviously John leaving the gang and seeing the world changing without Dutch and the others on his back helped him realise that the West was dying and that the idea of outlaws wasn't going to last longer.
1:44 tells us why he doubts like you said.
This is why this is a setup for rdr3.
Dutch: I aint never gonna leave you son
Also Dutch: *leaves John for dead like 3 times*
Good catch
He left Arthur also
@@chief5604 and Abigail
John got left by Dutch in saint denis, and then he got left by the gang during the train robbery, and then John and Arthur got left for dead at beaver hollow.
@@lumbagoboi1649 and got left at the bank heist and at siska
6:33
Bill: "Good cup of coffee always gets the guts going."
Hosea: "The perfect image to start my day..."
I love that.
Awe man I miss Hosea.
Hosea was a wise man
Goddamn that's great. Haha.
Rockstar humor at it’s finest haha.
Dutch : Tahi-
John : *Angry outlaw noises*
Im sure your Arthur was shot in the head at the end
@@kermitthefrog5450 lmao 😂💀
“What is your goddamn plan Dutch! Tahiti? Timbuktu?”
@@kermitthefrog5450 why you only played the only low honor virson if you had high honor the last thing he see is the sunrise
@@kermitthefrog5450 bro I’m on my 37 play through and I haven’t had bad honor
On a mission in rdr1 Abigail said that Jhonn was the first one to see that the whole gang was falling apart, i tought she was wrong by the first one being Arthur but by seeing these conversations I realize that Jhonn really did see it before anyone else did.
I personally think John knew it right after the blackwater heist, and Hosea knew it from early on as well. I would say Arthur kept trusting dutch throughout the entire game, he only realized it when he was left for dead by him.
I still think Arthur saw it first because of the conversation he has with john in valentine during the sheep rustling mission on the way to the gun store. He tells john that the times of gangs and the wild west was basically over. John caught on during that conversation in my eyes
@@axelayalajimenez5324 all the camp conversations of this video prove that John doubted Dutch before the beginning of the game, when the Blackwater heist happened. He was the very first member of the camp that knew Micah and Dutch committed many mistakes and terrible actions.
@@rafogameplays3321 i respecfully disagree
Actually, this is arguably true. Arthur tells Hosia in the hunting mission, really early on, that John left the gang for a year and wasn't punished not that leaving your son is one thing, but the 'code' and he literally valued staying in above family and so on. John had his conflicts, passively tells everyone he's in, keeps to himself, then tells Dutch constantly that he is losing it. Arthur tells him the lifestyle is going to be over. There is a difference, when someone saying cowboy lifestyle is ending and civilization is creeping in, and someone saying you're 'ending' and your decline is near. Also, most of the views about John are really from the people we can say inside the cult! Arthur's journal isn't a factual info, and so many of other character's statements. It's understandable when in a cult you see someone slipping or doubting, the ones together will call that person 'defiant' or 'fool' for not seeing their 'truth'. The faith Dutch asks of them. But once out they really start to see what that person was seeing behind the clouds there's new skies. I think they depicted him depressed during the comeback to the gang, and once the Beecher Hope run starts, you see him develop free. Arthur was awakened by TB and a crawling death bed that made him realize the fallacies with their cult and Dutch's shortsightedness.
“We all get caught eventually, John. I guess the trick is to decide by who.”
Such an interesting line considering who finally catches Dutch in the end.
Gravity?
@@Gabriel-mr5kr Well, Damn.
@@Gabriel-mr5kr lol
@@Gabriel-mr5kr fax
the ground?
Dutch has such a complex character, that it's very hard to say weather he genuinely cared for the gang before he started going insane, or was he always like that and just ended up showing his true colours in the end. There is one thing that's obvious though, and that's Dutch's massive ego; he always wants people to blindly obey him, he always thinks he's right, he never ever admits his mistakes, and always immediately comes up with a new reckless plan after the old one fails. If you're a good boot licker, then you can be Dutch's favorite. Micah capitalized on this perfectly by filling Dutch's ears with lies whilst constantly feeding his ego and telling him what he wants to hear. Arthur and John on the other hand genuinely cared for Dutch. They were loyal, but honest, and they'd tell Dutch what he needs to hear as opposed to what he wants to hear, hence why Dutch, who was essentially a narcissist, took Micah's side.
People often jokingly call John dumb, but he was always the smartest in the gang, he was the first one to pick up on Dutch's insanity, he was the first one to doubt, and he was the first one to admit that Dutch had lost his head. John was smart, but immature in 1899, and in RDR1 he was both smart and wise.
Ikr Dutch is an awesome character
100% agree
The great thing about the game is that you could try to interpret it by how you played the game. Like how if you play as Arthur. If he was all good for the whole game, you could see him as a good man who only did bad things because that’s all he ever knew how to do. It would fit with what Rains Fall said about how a person can never really change but rather become more of who they truly are. If he’s bad for half of it, then you could say that he did change. Now with Dutch, either he’s a good man who went crazy or was always a bad man who arguably used to do good things. You could see that John had the mindset of him just becoming more of who he truly was but then his opinion on him seem to have changed in RDR1 where he thinks he was a good man who went crazy. Dutch loved the Wild West where everyone could live free and didn’t want to give up on those days coming to a close. It’s like when a kid doesn’t want to admit that their childhood days are over or when an old man doesn’t want to admit that their glory days are over. Dutch was afraid of that change and knew it was coming. He also knew that his actions aren’t going to be forgiven either and that he was going to die for it.
@@Deathpool_04
Dutch was probably a good man to begin with. He just had a huge ego, and he had this huge desire to bring the old West back like you've mentioned; he had the pressure of the entire gang on him, he may have wished good for everyone, but his ego and extreme desire to be right and flawless all the time got the better of him, so much so, that instead of planning on what's best for each gang member and acknowledging the truth about the new world, he just kept lying to himself, he kept living in denial, he kept on living in these fantasies and dreamland, which led to the downfall of the gang, all because of his huge ego, and unwillingness to admit his mistakes.
In his final encounter with John, he at last comes at peace with everything, at last he sees the truth, and realizes that all the bloodshed he did over the years, all the bad things he did that ruined the gang, all of that was pointless. After realizing how wrong he was, he warns John about the corrupt government and commits suicide by jumping of a cliff, finally dying in peace.
Aziz Quadri I don’t know. Like I said, it depends on how you interpret the story. To me, I think he was a “good enough” person and may have used his nature for good in the glory days of the Wild West. In those days, he was seemingly more honorable and was apparently a “better person” I guess. According to what John said in RDR1, the gang was like a Robin Hood type gang where they took from people who didn’t need things and gave it to people who needed it more. This wasn’t seen as much in RDR2 since the story was about its downfall than how they were worked in the Wild West days. It apparently started to change on whatever happened at Blackwater. Before that, there didn’t seem to be any problems. He didn’t do anything about John leaving for like a year. Anyway, he also hated Colm, his gang, and the gangs that were like them who weren’t as honorable. Colm not really caring about who was in his gang but rather the numbers. It’s just unfortunate that Dutch eventually turned out the way they did. He became the very thing he supposedly hated. He may have thought that John was the rat too and another thing that didn’t help was that John eventually had to hunt him down in RDR1 which John was forced to do so. On the subject of John, his approach to fight change was from a different perspective. John wanted to adapt to the new civilized world while Dutch knew that it was pointless to fight his own nature. Still, I don’t think he really planned on going to Tahiti. Dutch may have wanted to keep the others as long as he could because he still cared about them. It’s just weird how he does that yet tries to leave people to die when he could’ve. I do think that in the end, he did care about Arthur and Arthur was able to get through to him one last time when he got Dutch to leave Micah. Then later on, we see him try to kill Micah himself and he was actually there to kill him. After time to process everything and got the news of Micah being in the mountains like Sadie did, he went there to kill him. He didn’t kill John or take the money either when he could’ve.
I think you are right that he did end up making peace with himself. He didn’t get his redemption or anything but yeah, I think he did make peace with himself. Jack avenged Dutch when he killed Ross too.
Dutch: ungrateful bastard!
Arthur *does all the hunting, supplies the food, medicine, ammo, contributes to the box, upgrades camp, does literally everything in the story and side missions while Dutch reads books in his tent*
cheese toastie Maybe he was also trying to figure out what a plan is?
All in the camp make his part, giving the box money, skins, every shit with valour, but dutch don't make anything
Wymmm Dutch bangs molly all day all night too
but who set up the camp?
and dont forget smoke cigars, and arthur sees that that aint right so he offers to get dutch a pipe since thats what dutch prefers more.
Interesting how John puts himself down and stays humble in both games, when he's quite well learned and socially intelligent. Not ignorant, hateful, or dishonest in the slightest. Even Arthur had a tinge of cynicism and the baggage he carried. John really was the best of them in the end.
i think he got that from Arthur too, Arthur always degrade himself calling himself ugly, nasty and dumb.
Maybe a little bit but that's just who John is
@@wasabi5338sure, everything about John is from Arthur one way or another.
John was the smartest out of all of them. He just wasn’t wise until rdr1
@@wasabi5338No, John was written before Arthur. Theres also a difference between self deprecation and humility.
I'd like to think Arthurs standing there, mouth agape breathing loudly, drool dripping down his chin and onto his shirt, just staring at the people having the conversation. His body completely still almost to the point were you'd think he was dead if it weren't for the breathing.
There's an image
bruh
The art of staying so incredibly still... And you know the rest.
The perfect image to start my day
Arthur The Destroyer: I've mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still, that I become invisible to the eye. Watch.
The Gang: You're eating a stew.
Arthur The Destroyer: But my movement... Is so slow... That it's imperceptible.
"I ain't ever gonna leave you, son."
LEAVES HIM LIKE 4 TIMES.
"DoN't YoU eVeR lEaVe Me"
I think he was hoping both John and Arthur would die, because he didn't have it in him to kill them himself. Hence him intentionally sending them out on dangerous/suicide missions.
Then he could be rid of his paranoia, but not blame himself for 'killing' them.
Bill: “I wish I had a scar” that is such a “bill” thing to say😂😂😂
He meant someone who loved him.
at that point all they had to say is "You got scars bro, its ya past." wouldve gave him the correct boost for motivation.
I would give him scars
I know I couldn’t stop laughing he was like a big child 😂😂
Fun fact: He’s Gae
The amount of dialogue that these guys had to record is absolutely insane. I've literally never heard any of this and I've done three playthroughs on both PS4 and PC.
The voice actors worked on the game for about 5-6 years, so they really did a shitload of dialogue
@@lordomani9451 mo cap
@@ReaIly yeah. They did mocap. Everybody knows that. They also recorded a good portion if not most of their dialogue in a booth.
You’ve beat this game 6 times dude? That’s too much lol.
@@Alexandrius_Caesar That does not mean three each...
Dutch: You want to be the general? You don't have the grit!
John: Grit? That what you call this?!
Micah: Black Lung 11:13
György Lukúcks that was so random yet funny
😁
Micah trying to make this kinda shouting be the norm lol
B L A C K L U N G
Lmaooo
Makes me laugh how John gets uncomfortable or upset when Dutch gets closer to him. It's like he's thinking : Uugh He's coming again
Yup, the body language on him speaks volumes. He like...cringes away from him.
Out of all of the members in the camp, it's quite obvious that John is getting sickened by Dutch since the beginning and he's prettt much the one that doubts Dutch the most
he's coming again..context bro
The part that made me notice it was when John closes what he's reading and doesn't open it again until Dutch walks off. Doesn't want him to get close to any part of his life that he *can* keep him out of.
" B not now"
Wow that's crazy. John knew it from the very beginning. He saw it before everyone else. Masterful foreshadowing, it really fits his character too.
It really does thats definitely my 3rd favorite trait about him
the realism he carries with him is just amazing
well Hosea as well
He knew the truth and everyone hated him for it
No wonder he wasn't around much
Well he did witness all of that shit firsthand. Arthur realised it only after their trip to Guarma. Arthur and Hosea wasnt present during the ferry job
One thing that’s really important to notice is how the language changes in the camp dialogue. In the last camp, Dutch talks to everyone like they’re his soldiers, not his family like in the earlier chapters. Javier calls Dutch “boss” and plays the dutiful lapdog along with bill and Micah. Just another testament to how spectacular the writing in this game is.
I didn't think it was that great, but that's me.
@@father3dollarbill playing devils advocate over here nobody cares
@@angryanakin hilarious how all you fanboys will attack any opinion different to yours. Exactly like a cult and/or brainwashing.
@@father3dollarbill everybody likes RDR2 and if you say you don’t you’re lying
@@angryanakin see, you didn't get it. The game's great and I enjoy it a lot, still.
I'm just the guy that points out the flaws, so who knows, they can fix it. Make the next one better, even.
Sad how the gang deteriorates overtime... from a good trusting gang, to liars and double crossers.
W0LF B3AT5 it weren't us who changed...it were him
All it took was Hosea's and Lenny's death
Micah was the issue..
@@phillipwalling7470 Yup.
The Man With No Name Micah was the one giving Dutch all these crazy ideas, like the ferry in black water, the parley with Colm O’driscoll, robbing both the grays and the braithwaits. So in my own opinion, I blame Micah...
11:09 OMG I almost died laughing. Dutch and John are having a serious conversation and Micah's casually like: ''black lung''
Same. Had me rolling.
I laughed so much
Yeah, he just slipped that in there, didn't he? 😂
I encountered the first one yesterday
Uncle? Lumbago
Micah? Black Lung
Hotel? Trivago
Bill Williamson: "I wish I had a scar.. :("
Awwwh, Billy-boy. :(
Don't worry, John'll put a few scars in you, depending how many bullets he fires in Mexico.
Aw 268th like :(
@@eddiecowen2624 269 😎
Or reyes. If john fails to shoot bill, reyes does it
@@johnLennon255 or if he shoots allende
It funny seeing Bill in RDR2 the way he is. He's not as intelligent as John or Dutch, and the way he is in RDR1 is kind of tragic as he's manipulated by Dutch. Same goes for Javier.
John had abandonment issues that’s why he questions everything and everyone it’s a defense technique he’s one of the only ones who thinks before and after blindly following orders that’s why Dutch left him for dead twice
This is so true even in body language, like if you walk behind him for a second, he'd tilt and ask are you following or something or looks back suspiciously unlike others. It's like he was never at peace or felt safe even in the camp.
@@TOT777SOS he’s always nervous and unsure of everything that’s why they say he’s “smart” or “Dutch’s favorite “ because he questions everything and talks back
😂
@@KYLE1654-v7m I was confused I thought the trans flag in your name was your comment until I clicked the notification 😂
Second was the train , what was the first one ?
4:37 "if we stick together" gives Arthur the death stare😂
😂😂
🤣
Sometimes in game i wanted to say what i had to say to dutch. I would've made him see 2 feet in fucking front of him
Nasbuscus 14 what?
@@devilous_4374 He would've hit him in the face.
You can really see Dutch getting worried about John leaving him for his family. Arthur was mad about that too, but he wasn't paranoid about it.
Arthur actually wants John to leave with his family, not John leave his family. Dutch on the other hand doesn’t want John and his family or even the gang members to leave since it will ruin his ego of inspiring people. He desires obedience, not loyalty.
@@enriquepowers I think he was refering to earlier in the game, where arthur had a grudge against john for leaving the group for a year. He only wants john to leave with his family until dutch and micah start losing it
@@caligulamaximus6186 He worded it incorrectly though. He said Arthur was also mad that John was gonna leave them for his family when that wasn't the case as you just stated
Real life is filled with Micahs 😑
The Thoro Network in the real world Arthurs (high honor) and Johns are either never known or ridiculed. Micahs are praised and the rest are just Bills
11:10
John: “Grit? That what you call this!”
Micah: “Black lung”
I dont know why but that made me laugh
@@halolasomaster3900 fax
@@halolasomaster3900 I like youre name haha
Shit had me dying
I laugh at that moment
“You realized the truth first John and they hated you for it”-Abigail 1911. He saw Dutch murder Heidi McCourt on the Blackwater ferry. He knew just how far Dutch was falling apart. He saw the man who raised him like a son shoot an innocent woman in the face. Arthur didn’t see that so he didn’t see it first hand. As by this video you can see all the hidden dialogue that goes back to the rdr1 quote above. And people want to call John dumb. I love Arthur and John practically the same but it just pisses me off that ever since Arthur was created everyone acts like John is just this dumb. Arthur wannabe.
John came first.
He is the first protagonist.
I believe the epilogue didn’t help with the “arthur wannabe” allegations.
Mans doesn’t even have his own original model. Its just Arthur with johns face.
Nobody thinks that, okay Dutch lmao
Hosea was the first
John isn't dumb, nor is he portrayed as dumb. He's just portrayed as a guy with no manhood.
I love how sassy John is to people who piss him off.
“next time, let me do the thinking”
“and I just do the hanging?”
He carries that over into the first game too.
one thrust bust Would’ve been better if he said
“Ok and I’ll just Hang around”
7:41
@@ferristrap7053 you're a saint
Ugh, the sass just like a teenage girl 🤣 Johnny boy is one of a kind
“We run, they’ll pick us off, one weak, desperate fool after the other. Ain’t that so John?”
Holy shit chills.
oTOYOTo Rockstar is amazing at story telling. Foreshadowing the future because that’s what John exactly does in RDR1.
"I guess we'll find out then"
6:05 Nice walking i thought it was a cutscene for a second
North
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Aryan S the fuck does That means
North
7:42 The way John gets up like he’s been thinking and he can’t put it to rest, so he snaps and he goes over to Dutch, but the approach reminds me of a teenage boy who feels wronged by his father begging for answers. He’s angry, accusatory, but more than that he’s confused and hurt. He almost has a tone in his voice that comes across as pleading, asking “Why?”.He’d held onto his doubts for months at this point, but the entire Sisika ordeal was the last straw for John, rightly so.
Yeah, John has been faithful and loyal to Dutch for enough time . Unfortunately , Arthur was too far into it unlike John 😢
Respect to John for always calling Dutch out on his bs. He knew and everyone else knew John was a smart one even back then. That’s why they call him arrogant and “Golden Boy”. John could’ve fared well by himself. John was the only mind and soul in the camp Dutch couldn’t manipulate and shape into what he wanted and it ate at him and bothered him so bad that John was such an individual which is why you see all these cutscenes of Dutch trying to “reassure” himself and “test” him.
This is exactly why I hate it when people say John is stupid. Maybe he’s not some Einstein but John is very wise.
Hosea isn't brainwashed either, on multiple accounts he says hes losing faith and that dutch is losing it.
@@marsman676 He's street smart. Something I think Arthur and Hosea had rubbed off on him. He's just gotten himself in rather stupid situations. And needs saving every now and again
"Insist" -Dutch, Chapter 6
@@vodago he just stays with the gang because he has no where else to go and he also knows his road is coming to an end. So there's no point in running
Dutch: "I ain't ever gonna leave you, son."
How untrue that statement was.
I don't think he was lying there
We all know he got crazy
When you meet the guy who was bitten by a snake for 50th time in 1 hour 11:30
That guy is so annoying.
Also, no matter how many times you suck the poison out, he will say that "you saved him 2 times", and then Arthur will say "never again"... I saved him 11 freaking times!
Nearly pissed my self lol
He just wants that arthur succ
CroatiaMati _ after awhile I just shot him to hell with honor I ain’t suckin off another man
I thought you fell off a cliff dutch.
Dutch and John screaming at each other
Micah: “black lung”
Cowpoke
Scarface
"Heellfiree!!"
Lol
Rat
Dutch: I ain’t ever gonna leave you son
John: Ok
Dutch like 12 hours later: *leaves John not once but twice*
What do you mean that was like 3 chapters later
He said He Had a plan
@@tracyrae4854 well 12 hours for us
@@jonalex9002 I do have a PLAN
@@dutchvanderlinde2271 i know man, Arthur did you wrong, he was always on your back , questioning your methods, he didn't trust you enough and micha use that like a weapon to turn you against other
8:30 Dutch: Clear off Arthur, you’re starting to annoy me just as much as him.
Also Dutch: aRThuR.
@@blacksecondmissionstillcan1027 stop saying bruh this isn't a bruh moment bruh
Bruh
Bruh
Bruhh
Bruh
5:48
I love how you can clearly see how Dutch slowly changes throughout the game. Earlier in the vid, Dutch was telling John to start caring about Jack and Abigail when he was doubting himself. Yet here when John is starting to become a family man, Dutch tries telling him that the gang comes first- no, HE comes first.
I think its because Dutch was getting paranoid around this time and maybe felt John might prioritize his family over the gang, as in dont you dare betray ME to save yourself and your family. I feel like by this point Micah was starting to get to Dutch on top of his growing paranoia, turning him against a close a friend with a shaky relationship to start weakening Dutch.
Thats my take
Dutch didn’t change at all. He was always this way.
Anybody notice John said "I didn't get these scars falling over in church" to Dutch and in rdr1 he says the exact same thing to Jack
It's a callback to the original game
I knew that quote was familiar
You can really see the gradual buildup of hostility between John and Dutch as the story goes on.
Kinda sucks they have hostility at the first camp tho, I wish they saved it for the last few chapters. You don’t really get to see much of a bond so it doesn’t add much to the RDR1 story in terms of his loss of Dutch
John was not only smart but he was pretty blunt with his words too, he struck Dutch's ego pretty hard by snapping him into reality too many times while others like Arthur and Hosea were less blunt and more pleading when trying to see Dutch to make sense.
This explains why Dutch slowly started to hate John reaching its peak by Chapter 4’s end, he was too smart to be manipulated and that’s why Dutch decided to leave him behind on two occasions when he could have easily saved him.
" I didnt get these scars falling over in church" that the same line john sad to jack on rdr1
I know. When he rescued Jack from that bear.
Mrbossftw
An who are you?
@@pinkertonagentmilton9074 That's Rip Van Winkle
@@MrMonkeMan141 mbftw sucks ass
I think the Heidi McCourt and Blackwater situation is what really drove John away from Dutch. At the campfire during the Clemens Point chapter of the game, John talks about how the death of the girl really disturbed him. I think he realized Dutch didn’t know what he was doing once black water turns to shit, and that’s why his attitude towards him is bad even at the beginning during chapter 1.
He should've left him then.
@@father3dollarbillhe did for a whole year
I think Dutch shot her the same way he killed the girl in the bank in the first game, a brutal distraction tactic to buy them a few seconds to escape the ferry heist
@@drewten Even the way John reacts implies that. He tries to tell him to go easy as Dutch talks and gets more desperate, almost like he's seen it before
@@Gecko_Zen yeah but i think that was before blackwater. they immediately left blackwater into the grizzlies and that's when the story for rdr2 starts.
*Anyone in camp having a private conversation*
Arthur: 👁 👃 👁
How the hell did I get 12k likes? 🤣
Lol totally. Arthur is a complete snoop but he bankrolls them all so they tolerate his weird ass.
Arthur has mastered the art of standing still he must have learned it from Drax
@@titanictimmyhistorian6140 "watch" *slowly raises stew spoon into mouth*
I just like to think Arthur just stands there, wide eyed, mouth slightly agape, drooling.
He has the cloak and dagger from tf2
“i ain’t ever gonna leave you” okay dutch
Eli Andrade I had too
Dutch Van Der Linde funny how back before the gang left Valentine, you said ‘we’d never leave a man behind no matter what.’
It makes me so happy to see that I'm not the only person who still plays red dead
I do I completed undead nightmare
Yes I hate when gta addicts try to shit on the game
i still play metal gear solid 5. i want to play the old one's but i cant since i have a xbox x
I still play too!
@@deadchanneldontwatch7347 I play it on xbox one
John Marston will always be one of my favorite video game characters of all time. Maybe it's his voice, or he's the og RDR protagonist or maybe just I find him badass, I also love to see him acting wise from time to time (namely in rdr 1)
Because we are all Johns in a way, confused, alone 😂
You can tell Dutch has rotten because in the beginning he was encouraging John to be loyal to his family, but midway thru he tells him that the gang is more important, then he doesn’t want John to be with his family because it makes him not want to be Dutch’s puppet, Dutch has always been a piece of shit, but he wasn’t desperate before, and when he is, he shows his true colors
@Arthur Morgan Uh oh! Watch out! We got a Dutch stan over here y’all 🤣
@Arthur Morgan 😂 Then laugh, Arthur, and this time do it without coughing.
@@masemboross4996 Damn you didn’t have to do the boah like that
@@MrWongWey Why not? 😂
What the hell happened here?
*"T H E G O L D E N B O A H"*
It's amazing how they portrayed Dutch's narcissistic personality in this game. It's clear from the beginning for everyone that has ever dealt with narcissists that Dutch has all of the traits.
Indeed.
It’s such an incredibly realistic depiction of a manipulative narcissist, he actually shows great moments of leadership and relatability that make it so understandable why people are willing to follow him.
He’s willing to seemingly risk his life for others, but only when his own pride is on the line. He genuinely cared for everyone in the gang, but only so long as they saw him as he saw himself.
The most realistic thing about him is that he doesn’t even realise how much he’s manipulating even himself,
He was never charming to me. His false bravado and delusional arrogance was off putting.
@@jacobthomas7322 Same, I hated Dutch's attitude from the very beginning lmao
Yuuuup. Irked me from the very first speech at the very very beginning of the game.
10:02 It’s funny because John literally does that to the gang in RDR1
He also said "Ain't that so John?" Meaning John was involved on whatever he's saying
rdr2 is full of foreshadowing but not in a too much obvious way.
John also says “I guess one of these days we’ll find out” 😎😎😎
@@chief5604 it was more because in Dutch's perspective he suspects John the rat because he always get caught and he might tell on them. But its true in a sense in rdr1 John did go after them.
"You don't think we should... scatter?"
Wow, to think even Javier who ended up siding with Dutch in the standoff was doubting him. No wonder him and Bill abandoned Dutch after the gang split.
I think they both were afraid of dutch and micha so when they had a chance to get away they took it
I wish we got a mission with Javier in chapter 6 so we can really get some insight into what is going through his mind. Bill got one, yet Javier didn't. He just sits in camp the whole chapter.
@@MrFusion notice how Javier holds his gun gun up ( into the air) when people were picking sides between Dutch and Arthur? He was conflicted somewhat but chose Dutch in the end. When he realized that things were more downhill he bounced from Dutch.
@@susanw1863 they were outnumbered, John was hurt and Arthur was Dying. Javier didn’t have much of a choice but his gun being up in the air kind of leaves the situation up in the air. He could’ve stay on their side literally for tactical advantage, had the law not arrived who knows what his true intentions to do were once the bullets started flying. I love that scene though because it subtly says so much about how dangerous Arthur is, alone, sick, and outnumbered they all still hesitate to go at him even before John arrives.
He does talk about it around the campfire. Javier like Arthur was a victim of his own loyalty, Dutch saved his life so he felt obligated to stay with him since he had nowhere else to go and Dutch offered protection and acceptance and even hope.
He thought Dutch would get better and it was just the stress getting to him and everyone else doubting him that was causing all their issues. Once Arthur died and John and the others escaped he probably realised that Dutch had just lost it and wasn't himself anymore and hed never get the gang back so he went his own way
"Men don't change, they just become more of who they really are."
People*
- Rain Falls
I feel like he went crazy because of Micah
Have faith
@@tracyrae4854 Men = mankind stop getting upset when a masculine term is used
Fun to see how bill tries to mock John for “being tough” with his scars in the first place and then ends up saying that he wants them too, like a child telling that ”aw I wanna be a fireman too when I grow up”😭
7:14 John literally steps back from Dutch.... he really knows something is off about him.
Btw I don't see it here, but I swear I had a scene in Beaver Hollow when John and Dutch again argue, and Dutch goes away angrly, and yells "and that is why I told them to let you hang." .....
Same i though I was the only one
wait what
Got any video clip of that fam? Otherwise it's the Mandela effect that made people think lawmen recognize you by your weapon customization.
what the hell
What wtf when did Dutch say that?
"Perfect image to start the day." Ha,Hosea and that wit.
I feel ya Hosea
11:55 the fact dutch gone silence when Arthur say "This is Micah doing", make me realize that Dutch actually knew Micah is using him and won't admit it
Yeah I think Dutch knew but like didn't want it to be shown that he's not as smart as everyone else in the camp, after all his whole thing was being smarter than the other members and that was how he was able to control them for so long
It makes sense, considering how conflicted Dutch was when Arthur and Micah fought on that mountainside. And he is again unable to come to grips when John reminds him how Micah ratted them out to the U.S. agents that got many of their crew killed during the final standoff at the shack with all the heist money hidden.
Micah was everything that Dutch wanted in his crew to be loyal and follow his word without question. Still, he couldn't accept that he wasn't the most competent man in the room when people reminded him of how bad he got played by Micah, which led to his group's downfall and his own downfall later on.
11:12 *Dutch and John having an intense argument*
Micah out of nowhere: "Black lung!"
XxSSJWarriorxX 307 have you seen gavin
@@micahbell7530 ROT IN HELL MICAH BELL!
@@micahbell7530 gaviiiiiin?
I never realized how tall and lanky John was until I saw him standing by Dutch and Arthur. I swear in my play through he was taller than both of them
The way Dutch says "I know you." at 6:36 really sent shivers down my spine...
Especially when you consider that the Stranger missions in RDR are called "I Know You."
@@lucasmartinez5703 I know, it's some creepy foreshadowing.
"The perfect image to start a day" - Hosea
I’m glad somebody pointed it out
For added creepiness, listen extra close. About ten seconds after he says that, you can hear a blood curdling scream from the swamp. That is in fact Kieran, having his head removed from his body.
The character of John is genious. Arthur always thought, that Dutch slowly started to lose his mind, like everyone else in the camp, but John... Right from Blackwater, he realised who Dutch is. He realised, that Dutch always was manipulating them. That's why Dutch couldn't get in his head, because John was the only one who knew the truth.
Dutch actually believes his own bullshit though, that’s why he’s such a good character. John can see through Dutch in ways he can’t even see himself.
Genius* the irony shouldn't be lost on you
Yep, that sounds about right. John saw right through Dutch, yet in Rdr1 he still says Dutch went crazy. It's because he doesn't want to admit that all those years he was simply manipulated by his father figure.
4:51 fun little realization that I have recently come to: Dutch kept talking about paradise on and on and on like it was something to be obtained but they all already had it. They just needed to stop poking bears all over the place. Hosea was right once they robbed Cornwall's train they should've made an effort to head back out west
yep
This is all micahs doing. Anyone has details about how Micah joined the gang. I wanted to shoot that bastard right after getting him out of jail in strawberry.
@@rutso175 Dtuch met him at a bar and saved his life from pissed off dealers.
That's why if Dutch had listened to Hosea this whole problem would never have happened.
@@DogHouseEntertainmentINCit's impossible for them to go back west Hosea Dutch Arthur maybe others are wanted dead immediately touch one step in new Austin. Only way I see it is if they didn't do the Blackwater job
4:52 This conversation really gives more meaning to their confrontation towards the end of the game, where John comes back and yells “You left me!!” Johns heartbroken about his father figure leaving him to die, when that’s what he was raised to never do.
Yeah
9:51 In the first Red Dead Redemption, after John helps out with one of the random overworld events, he will occasionally respond to the strangers' thanks with "We've all got problems, and we need to solve them together or we die alone." It's really interesting to hear Dutch say the same thing.
Dutch raised/indoctrinated him so it makes sense that Dutch's sayings would be left imprinted in John's brain long after their relationship soured.
The "I didn't get these scars falling over in a church." is also a RDR line
John was the earliest, most outspoken doubter and at times Dutch seemed barely able to disguise his dislike towards his rebellious attitude. When John was captured at St. Denis I think a part of Dutch was secretly glad to be rid of him which is why he didn't show an urgency in getting him back.
"I didn't get these scars falling over in church" - John Marston, 1899/1911
It’s scary watching Dutch continue trying to manipulate John - especially when John saw that he was becoming imposing and angry about it and started trying to back away - both John and Arthur began to see it as creepy and controlling towards the end
11:05 playing RDR1 made me realize john was the general in that game,dutch just didnt have faith in john
Black lung
Dutch wants to stay in control of all of them. He thinks if they abandon him they’ll die off and so he makes them believe that. It’s only when the gang disbands and the survivors go their own ways where you see they all have more potential on their own than they did with Dutch. Bill becoming an infamous gang leader for instance even though he was just the dumb guy with a gun when he was with Dutch and John becoming a legendary gunslinger who’s famous all over New Austin, Mexico, and West Elizabeth
John had abandoned the gang before so Dutch knows that John can be independent. So I really think that Dutch has his reasons to think that John is a rat. Also, Micah probably badmouthed about John too.
@@htsaul1569 True. Even in chapter one, John was the free thinker in camp. It took until chapter 5 for Arthur to see things the same way.
Black lung
As good as these conversations are, I have to call attention to Javier. He’s such an amazing character, especially when you examine his role in the gang and his stance when it starts to split up. He’s sensible, he wants to do the right thing. But he can’t just go against the gang that took him in. In the big final confrontation, Javier is the only one to never point his gun at Arthur.
Even if he didn’t point it at them he would still fire at them
@@JohnCunningham-jf9iv he doesn't even fire at them, him and Bill run off when the pinkertons show up and don't chase John or Arthur.
People keep repeating that. But he point his gun at them. And even if he didn’t he sides with the people who do.
I mean sure he didn’t aim his gun at them, But he’s still chose his side and basically sealed his fate
I hate when people bring up this point, because he did actually aim him gun at Arthur at the last second right before the Pinkertons showed up. Pay attention people
6:36 the way Dutch says "I know you" is chilling. Such great acting by Benjamin Byron Davis!
The perfect image to start my day
11:55 Dutch.exe has stopped working.
Joking aside, that was really strange of him. Like totally spaced out, looks almost confused for a moment.
🤣🤣🤣☺️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well now, that conversation make sense!! After this conversation dutch lets john took in saint denis then when he falls off train dutch tells arthur he going back to get john , but him and micah leave john behind to be captured... seems like dutch holding grudge against john after this hidden conversation....
That's Dutch's "I HAVE A PLAN" face
Sad thing is Dutch knows hes wrong he just wont admit it, his ego wont let him.
@Leonardo Vargas Exactly. They both have an excuse for what their doing but in reality they’re only in it for the money and will do almost anything to stay ahead. Even if what they’re doing is tearing their family apart
In rdr1 when John went up to Bill in fort mercer bill told him “Dutch always thought you were in arrogant son of a bitch I guess he was about right” 3:48
It wasn't in fort mercer, it was at that farm heist, i guess
@@umpoucodetudo3740 It was in Fort Mercer
@@H.Cat725 No it wasn't th-cam.com/video/I-RWNf1Cc_Q/w-d-xo.html
@@umpoucodetudo3740 Oh ... this is embarrassing ... well you have a better memory than me so, congratulations
@@H.Cat725 to be fair Bill only appeared like thrice in RDR1.
I think I figured something out. Dutch realized the Pinkertons wanted him, so he tried to keep the gang together to because he would be doomed alone. He needed his gang to protect him and eventually make enough money to escape. The gang would have survived even if they didn’t stick together because the government didn’t want them, so he enforced the idea that they would be safe if they stayed togather.
@@marlinchen6315i mean your right but also wrong you can see in rdr1 that it was never gonna end they just would ahve found another monster what the line from joesy wales “ doing right aint got no end “ they will keep coming until the kill everything that even vaguely opposes them good or bad
The fuck he would most certainly NOT be doomed alone lmfao the man survived 12 years after the gang collapsed doing the exact same shit and the ONLY reason he was caught was because he was hunted down by john who dutch genuinely didn’t want to kill hence why he didn’t kill john when he shot the binoculars…which btw was an impossible shot irl and he did it with barely any time to aim so dutch is hands down one of the most lethal characters to ever live and could prosper just fine
Now while he would of survived in his own, the first two times the pinkertons came they chose peace due to women and children in the area, without the women and without the children it can easily become a war on camp, which happened at the last chapter when it was only men present.
this is a really good display of the motion capture... dutch putting that log into the fire place and kicking the door shut was really good attention to detail from the dev team, makes the conversations feel even more real, not as staged
Dutch: How did the Pinkertons know about us in Saint Denis John?
Me: Oh I dunno, you shooting up the town, crashing a tram, killing their biggest local mob boss and then sending Hosea set off an explosive in the middle of the city probably tipped them off.
Stannis The Mannis it mostly because he killed bronte, because they appear so quickly
Or maybe Micah told them?
@@jasonvolkanov3123 Micah was caught by Pnkrtns after Guarma, brother
@@jasonvolkanov3123 Doubtful. The fallout of that mission was bad for Micah, too, plus he shit at them and got shot at in return. That usually doesn't happen to/with snitches. Plus Micah got on the boat and got shipwrecked. I think that particular bad business was simply a case of the gang making way too much noise in Saint Denis, and the Pinkertons figuring out that Dutch and co. will always go after banks. Milton probably told the agents and police to immediately check on the bank if something major happened in town.
@@DoctorPorkenfries true
It's amazing how John was right all along and Dutch resented him because he knew the truth
7:29 Dutch: “Don’t forget who you are John.”
Me: “But that’s exactly what you did Dutch!”
Dutch was always the man he is at the end of the game and red dead 1, he needs people to follow him and believe in his "plan"
11:12 John and Dutch: arguing
Micah casually passing by: "Black lung. :)"
@@ZyberX *N o i c e*
Dutch definitely reminds me of like a cult leader sometimes. All his grand speeches, the way he carries himself above the rest of the gang, talking about "keeping faith".
And this is why John disliked Abraham Reyes: He saw too much of Dutch in the man.
Because he’s exactly that.
@@jorgebersabe293 cool dindt think of that, but in retrospect yes absolutely. John has seen enough of empty talk and big bravado
@@jorgebersabe293 ooooh I never even thought of that “. That’s on point. He thought Reyes was a mayor phony from the get go due to his experience w Dutch.
These convos are probably why Dutch left John behind in chapter 4. John was very open about questioning Dutch, and Dutch was just trying to rid of a possible mutiny. Course that didn't work, and John survived. When John came back alive, it showed to everyone that Dutch can't keep the rules and that he left a member behind, adding another reason for Dutch to go off the deep end. Fantastic story telling.
0:30 I imagine that was the main reason John didn't want Jack to be his, why he was reluctant to be a father to his son. John lived a hard, brutal childhood and so did Abigail. John knew being in a gang was no life for a child, but he wasn't ready to walk away from that life yet. Maybe he was already thinking about what kind of person Jack would grow into. John always loved his son, but he was afraid.
Saddest part is Jack would grow up to be a Gunslinger anyway
Arthur at the very beginning, “Revenge is a luxury we can’t afford”
And yet the entire red dead redemption story ends with revenge when jack kills Ross
Joseph Stalin Provided his body language upon killing Ross, Jack nevertheless felt unsatisfied. Empty, if you will.
Micheal Jackson's Aborted Son he grew up to be an author, you can see his books in the gta. He was close to becoming an outlaw, so he put away his gun and walked away
That or if there are other possible fathers he didn't want to get stuck with someone else's kid
5:11
“John aren’t you forgettin’ something?”
“What?”
“YES. DADDY.”
YESS
Ferghal Icious
“Don’t disappoint all those fanficers out there, John!”
that’s EXACTLY what I thought
"I know it's hard"
I think it's even worse that the next words out of Dutch's mouth are "I know it's hard... I know it's hard"
1:28 I remember that girl being mentioned by The Strange Man.
@@aniqatahsin308 i think he is talking about heidi mccourt
@@aniqatahsin308 No, Heidi McCourt was in Blackwater. Annabelle was either Dutch's wife or girlfriend that was killed by Colm o'Driscoll.
@@bigladsubaru3523 John was referring to heidi
Hans Adolphus Gabriel Leon Jeremy Pascal Justus oh yeah
@@aniqatahsin308 Annabelle died long before that. The girl killed was Heidi McCourt
Some of these earlier camp interactions show off Dutchs real pertsonality far earlier than the main story does. Outside of this mistake with killing that woman on the boat he seems to be a good leader with just a run of bad luck. Then around Saint Denis you really, really start to see Dutch crack. But these earlier interactions, like when Uncle calls him out as a King and them being his loyal subjects, his interactions between Molly and Mary beth, and other various random dialogues. It shows his true personality. Subtly manipulating everyone, empty promises, grand standing to keep people hopeful and in line, a rage beneath his seemingly calm and cool exterior and a liar avoiding hard questions with pretty words and basic answers.
John doubts through out the game, but he generally keeps it to himself in missions until later. He doubts because he was there, he saw Dutch truly come out for a moment, Arthur didn't. He might get stories from others, others saying he killed a woman in a bad way. But he didn't see it and experience it first hand. It takes so much for Arthur to begin to see it, most specifically when they see him kill the italian guy and feed him to gators and the woman on Guarma. Those two events I think really removed the rose tinted glasses for Dutch. Sure he'd seen Dutch beginning to show signs, but those two moments truly opened his eyes to what Dutch was and was capable of.
But these scenes really show how Dutchs paranoia.... even early on is present. Seemingly noticing John has a sort of family within the family. And then the 'doubt, yes dutch' scene. He is trying so hard to beat John down and make him compliant, to compel blind loyalty. That scene is out on the dock, theoretically away from everyone else so Dutchs rage very briefly comes out scolding John for having a doubt at all. And he continues to pressure John to stop thinking, just listen to his words, nod and agree. And as time goes on and John doesn't do that Dutch begins to see him as the traitor, or a doubter, or corruptor of others. When in reality his own actions, every step of the way have worsened the situation. Aggressively robbing Cornwall too much, trying to play both families, trying to manipulate Bronte. Every step of the way Dutch thought he was smarter than everyone else and it made him not realize they were about to be tricked again and again. But he can't admit that to himself so blames someone else for their problems. The lucky one, the one who didn't die in the bank robbery. The one who doubted, the one with an open mind supposedly corrupting others.
And the one with Javier. I don't think he's ever called Javier 'son'. He purposely trying to make a jab at John, to show he's not favoured and in the family anymore. A cruel and final attempt to make John realize his 'mistakes'
Very good!
I didn't have a problem with Bronte dying tbf
D: "Next time let me do the thinking."
J: "And I just do the hanging?"
Lmaoo 😂
Just lyk, this happens every so often. Your comment happened to be the one.
Scrolling through, reading comments and as I’m reading yours it’s at the exact same time as John says it. Literally the same time. The same pace.
The fact that this has happened multiple times blows my mind.
11:55 boss music kicks in
Dutch: don’t you dare bad mouth my boy like that
it pains me so much to think how hurt arthur must’ve felt hearing those words from the person who literally raised him.
all i can think about is how this resembles real manipulative parents, acting like their sons owe something to them just because they’re the parents. this dynamic is well studied on rdr2 and its so crazy to even have the chance to get this kinda inside on what the interactions with dutch were like after he drops the motivational preacher curtain.
he treats the whole gang like they own everything to him just because he helped them. and ofc he always reached for those who NEEDED that help. nobody would say no to his generous hands, thus feeding his god complex. he can brag about how good he is to everyone all he want without fear, because he knows how easily he can take everything away from the gang (remember how he literally keeps the gang saves to himself and no one knows what the hell he does with that money).
it bugged him seeing john having an actual family and that he had the strength to be independent and free from him, so he needed to humble him every time reminding him how he raised him and all that crap while at the same time doubting his loyalty.
i dont think dutch was honest a single time in this entire storyline. he was always two faced with everybody and mostly, to himself. he was so insecure that he needed to question and remind everyone his position as their savior any chance he had.
if he was ever a good person, we will never see that.
I started losing faith in Dutch after he killed Angelo Bronte in cold blood. I bet if it was chapter 5 or 6 he wouldn't even go after Jack.
Well I actually did when he killed the lady in Guarma, Angelo Bronte was killed brutally but he wasn't a good man
@@arod0405 you know im all for revenge but he fed the guy to a fuckin gator.
@@thedreamcapture2681 a LOT worse ways to die... you ever seen a cartel killing?
@@thedreamcapture2681 good , come on bronte was a piece of shit , and well i suppose he was allready dead by the time the gators got him anyway
I never had faith in him. Could see it going downhill a mile away.
*Dutch:* “YOU WANNA BE THE GENERAL? YOU DON’T HAVE THE GRIT!”
*John:* “Grit? That what you call this?”
*Micah:* *_”BlAcK lUnG”_*
I so wished letting Micah hang was an option in Strawberry. Then again, a significant part of the story would have disappeared. When it feels THAT good to shoot someone at the end of the epilogue, that means they nailed it on creating a great villain!
Never laughed about this in my gameplay.
But i've to admit that in this video i did, was so out of nowhere lol
😂😂😂😂
@@JedForge i wish they went through with the hanging process but we have to shoot the rope moments before he's dropped. failing the mission is letting Micah swing, but, failing it would be worth watching every second he struggles for air. (i'm not psychotic i swear 😂)
@@JedForge it wouldve been a lot better if it wasnt in deadeye i wanna hip fire until he falls
That 6:36 “I know you”
Is like Dutch saying;
“I know you can see through me”
Exactly!
Dutch's fall from sanity always makes me cry. You know he was a good guy for at least twenty years of raising john and arthur and the gang, and then his life crumbled in front of his eyes and he didn't want to believe that it was his fault. I genuinely believe he used to be good or the gang wouldn't have lasted as long as it did.
I'm pretty sure that The Van der Linde gang is meant to have been honourable.
@@Prix-cp5qc Even Dutch’s saying that he says to Kieran in Colter reflects that; We shoot fellers as need shooting, save fellers as need saving, and feed them as need feeding.
They definitely were a Robin Hood-esque gang (you can see on a newspaper clipping in camp that Dutch, Hosea and Arthur gave all the money from a score to the poor once) but the pressures of increasing civilisation and the prices on their heads made them more brutal and selfish than they originally were.
That head injury during the trolley crash did quite a number on him.
When Bill says “I wish I had a scar” John should have said “That could be arranged...”
That does sound like something he’d say
That fade at the end with the ( go for the money) music as Dutch ignores Arthur’s warning about Micah was badass. Bravo
I know that music is supposed to play towards the end for a Low Honor Arthur, but it fits Micah or Dutch more. It feels so cold and bitter.
@@ingasparrow Doesn't it play if you go back for the money, regardless of your honor?
@@kartikayysola I didn't make that choice, so I don't know. I only heard it played if you had Low Honor.
@@kartikayysola Yes