Elegoo Water Washable Resin REVIEW - Washable vs Standard - Elegoo Mars Printer settings by VOGMAN
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A review of the Elegoo Water Washable Photopolymer Resin with my Elegoo Mars 3D printer. How does the Washable Resin stand up against the Standard Resin? Does it print as well? And what about other important qualities to the 3D printing enthusiast?
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not needing so much ventilation during the washing/curing process is a plus for me as well.
this is the best side by side review i've seen of these two products. i'm new to the printing world and really needed this. thank you!
dude, your voice sounds as calming as the ones in documentaries
awesome video as well :)
Congratulations on this thorough, well-thought-out test.
Thanks Del : )
Thanks for the awesome reviews. Got me lots of this stuff to try.
Thanks for the video, you do a great job of making them informative and I always learn something from them!!
That's very kind, thanks : )
I'm about to make the switch from standard to water-washable resin for my 3d printing and found this review really insightfull, thanks Vegoilguy.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the review. I picked up some of the WW resin, going to try it out.
Thanks for the comparison. Well done.
Thanks for watching!
thanks for the video! really awesome video, first time I hear of this product :)
Thanks George : )
Something you didn't mention that I think is important is that the water washable wastewater needs to have the resin cured out of it before disposing of it.
So I'm hearing...
Cure the heck out of it, then strain well and ...why not reuse?
A thorough review M8!
I have nowhere near the budget to afford a setup like that.
If I did, I would be right on that washable polymer! :D
Thanx Geoff!
I know what you mean. I was lucky enough to be given one. But I'm thrilled with it : D
Hi my friend. I've been using an ender 3 but I took the plunge partly because of your videos and bought a mars and some water washable resin, they have just arrived. what are your favoured exposure settings and will black resin need to be exposed differently to other colours as it is dark?
Thank you very much :-) I just pre ordered the Mars 3 4K and looking for what Resin to get it seems the water washable one seems to be just as good and overall need less extra stuff and in turn less cost :) thank you bud :)
I think I may have caught a random video from you hear, or there. But I subbed after watching this one, today. Thanks for the comparison!
Thanks for subbing
Just bought some of the stuff, using prusa slicer because I like the autosupports better, can you give any suggestions for settings?
It will be nice to see how you dispose of the water used to wash the models!
Can it be binder for some material like sands or ceramic ?
Thanks for the review - I’m just finally getting into 3D printing. Where did you get the Marine and Ork STL files from?
I think those models WERE on Thingiverse at the time but have since been removed, which is a shame. But there's plenty of other exciting prints there 😁😁😁
Hi VOG, I will be buying an electric furnace soon (if “her in doors” let’s me 🙏😊) Which one do you use and do you recommend it ? TIA Pete
Very impressive work by the maker of those models! Will you cast these figures in metal or are they usable just as resin?
Well lets just say I have asked for the makers consent, and he was happy for me to cast somethings : )
Great video. I am thinking in changing to water washable resin and say goodbye to IPA. But I recently bought a Anycubic Wash and Cure station and wonder if it works fine with water.
You can, but the impeller in the base of the wash container has two magnets and a bearing, all made of mild/ferrous steel so they WILL rust in time. You could replace the bearing and the screws holding the magnets with stainless steel. versions.
Great review, on a side note.. how did you orient the big fisty marine so well? That's such a full plate and it looks like you had no detail loss! Epic!
It's just about picking the best angle and spots for supports. I've had a few requests to do a video on this subject so I might well do one : )
Hey bud, I am very new to all this. Do you happen to have a screenshot of the settings you use with the Saturn for the washable resin? I am using Lychee as a slicer. I did look at the settings there but it was all dutch to me :)
If the settings are all "dutch" to you, then I would recommend taking the time to learn what they mean, and how they effect your printer. It's not difficult, it just requires you to invest some time. I tried to copy settings and ultimately I just ended up with more failed prints than successes. Now I have everything calibrated I print perfect 90% of time
You're really making me want an Elegoo Mars, man. The prints are so clean! The resolution is amazing! The price ain't half bad either. Can it handle off-brand resin?
It is an amazing printer but I can't tell you it's any better or worse than others because this is the only one I've tried. They might all be this good - or maybe this is the best, I really don't know for sure. But I do know it can handle off-brand resins. Every "castable" resin I've tried is off-brand. Here's an excellent resource showing various resins and settings for the Elegoo Mars -
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dV-mvE8IojXSNiUHf8fHf_eHJGAQzbeFEalcP4bdnsg/edit#gid=0
@@vogman How strong is the smell? Like if I set this up in my basement, will the rest of my house stink like chemicals?
Not the Elegoo... it has a smell and with a good sense of smell you might smell it in a large room, but not through the house. I keep my printer in just one room... I smell it when I walk in (it's not a bad smell either) but nowhere else in the home. However, I've heard that some resins have a stronger odour... bad I couldn't say which.
WILL YOUR SETTING ORK FOR THE CREALITY HALOT ONE PRO i am having problem with the water washable not sticking to the bed using prima silver anyone can help
That's pretty interesting. I hope others will see the video
Many thanks : )
All of the different options are preventing me from printing, i have a printer and literally have no idea which resin to add to my cart. And no i cant buy all of them. Im limited to 2. I need a standard for regular printing and i need a castable resin for making jewlrey. I need to work. I dont need it to be the best of the best. I just need to k ow if i get it that it will do what its supposed to. Any advice is appreciated. I have the elegoo pro2
Does the increased cost of the water washable resin counteract the savings of not having to purchase IPA?
For me it comes close price wise in Canada, but the trade off of the hassles make water base worth it.
As always a really good review Geoff!
But... this is not helping to suppress my desire to buy a resin printer! Every time you make a video I want one even more!
There's things I just can't help you with Dan, and one of those is a desire for nice toys. I could tell you these resin printers aren't worth the money, that they won't give you detailed prints or help you to cast intricate metal objects...
But I'd have to lie : )
what settings did you use?
I think I will attempt this resin and use soppy water in my Anycubic wash + cure station instead of IPA! Any suggestions on how to properly dispose of the water post wash? thanks for your wonderful videos!
That will work fine Fernando, just go easy on the soap or you'll be bathing in bubbles 😁
As for the water, I use the same approach as I do with IPA, which you can see here th-cam.com/video/5U1IshPqmak/w-d-xo.html
When I'm convinced there's no more resin in the water, I pour this on to a paved area to let the sun and wind evaporate what's left.
Very informative, thank you. When my ship comes in again, I am tempted to get the same printer. However, here in South Africa, we have to make do with what is in the market here. Buying overseas may be cheaper in sales price, but shipping is sometimes more than half the total cost and that excludes import taxes. So we do not really score.
I hear you Louw... sorry for the video that's about to appear : )
Heh heh heh! No probs. We have access to other stuff freely which some youtubers battle to find in their countries.
What are you doing with the water after the resin has been washed? i.e. How to dispose of it safely?
Hi, thanks for this video. One Question: Can i clean the tank and other printer parts with water or must i use iso?
You can use water : )
Just be careful with the waste water. Ideally collect it and let in stand in the daylight. This will separate the resin from the water, rather than throwing it down the drain : )
@@vogman thank you for your fast answer, sir 😎 I ordered 1 hour ago perhaps one of the last Mars in Europe for a long time.
Loved your video - do you have links to any resin printing suppliers? Its so annoying trying to find UK suppliers for products recommended by US contributors (such as lint free non woven microfibre clothes for cleaning fep etc, spring plates for build plates and feps. It appears that the UK choice is Amazon or Amazon.
It's true... it's fast becoming Amazon or nothing...
amazing prints. howe u get your minitures so good. my prints dont work so well
Many thanks. The printer does most of the work. Other than that it's just about good support placement on your prints : )
@@vogman i got a mars to and my prints arent so good. can u do a video about better printing.
I'm not an expert but I'd be happy to show folks what I do if they are interested : )
@@vogman Yes please
hi, good video. a question. can you share the Jimsbeanz dessings you have? his best designs have been deleted (i think he got smacked HARD with the GW C&D stick, xd)i am loking like crazy his Smash Captain, Chaos terminator, Chaos Lord Disco, Undying Saint with wings, his Warboss Orktober and his Alternate Lord Discordant. Can you share what you have of these?
A greeting and thanks in advance.
Unfortunately I can't share Jimsbeanz files with anyone else... they're not mine to share. If he has decided to remove them, then we all need to respect his wishes. However, I'm not sure that's the case at all. When I spoke with him last week he was happy with the idea of my sharing his excellent miniatures with my viewers. I was surprised yesterday when I noticed they were no longer listed. I have written to ask him what's happening but one way or the other, we must all respect the wishes of the maker : )
Would like to see a review of the 8k ww version
Same here. VERY interesten in how brittle it is? I really would like to NOT use alcohol / IPA for washing. Searching for a WW resin that's NOT brittle
Would this Resin also work for the Anycubic Photon Mono X and with the same settings?
print settings are on the bottle, really LONG exposure, 60s bottom 8s layers.
How do you have your printer set up for ventilation? The only thing keeping me from buying a resin printer right now is that I feel like I don't have anywhere to put it.
I don't have any ventilation, but I do use a side room. There is a smell from the resins but for me it's not too bad. The alcohol used for cleaning is what really smells. I don't think I'd want a printer in a main living space, but any spare room with a window would be fine. Without that option, you will get the smells. If you want to know if you could live with it, get some isopropyl alcohol or Methylated spirits, position it safely and leave the lid off. That's as bad as it will get: )
what glue did you use for the elegoo washable resin for joining the minis...I find that super glue isn't really sticking for my minis.
Try using PVA (wood glue). I’m using canopy glue at present and it’s great.
I might have missed it in the video, did you say anything about how the prices compare?
It's not on sale here yet, so I really don't know. I'd guess it will be a little more expensive that the Standard Resin, but the savings will come with reduced alcohol use. But that really is just my guess : )
Price is cheaper than anycubic standard and same as elegoo standard it is 22.99 for 500ml
They have equal printability and post processing but how do they mold? Do the water soluble hold up to the hydrostatic pressures? How are they at burn out?
This isn't a castable resin so it not for burning out : )
has the price changed since this video then or something because a litre of the water washable resin is more expensive than the regular by the price of a litre of alcohol.
Would you mind doing a video (Tutorial) on Blender and how you properly add sprues and resize STLs through Cura to be able to upload it for modifications in Blender. Thank you.
Thanks for the suggestion 😁
The grey resin seemed to highlight the tiny details a little better. What's the price difference between the two?
I'm not certain yet John. Time will tell : )
Hello I'm new a resin printing. When I've tried printing washable resin it doesn't what am I doing wrong.
Thanks mike.
Hi Mike. Three important points for you. 1, make sure the plate is properly levelled. 2, use the correct settings for your printer with the chosen resin. 3, get your supports right.
This video I made may help th-cam.com/video/MU0Cq_bjhy4/w-d-xo.html 😁😁😁
@@vogman 😁after sending message to you I did the bed and double checking it. Did a very small print worked couldn't be leaving it🤔 thank
Mike👍💯
Nice resin printer,if it is washable resin or the standard resin how do you get rid the contaminated water or Isopropanol Alcohol ect Thanks
There are a few solutions below, but I think I favour the simplest idea which in my mind should work well. Store the water in a clear glass or plastic bottle outside where it can get plenty of daylight. The resin should settle and set, separating itself from the water. As a double safety feature, the lid could be removed and the water could be allowed to naturally evaporate.
@@vogman Thanks for the reply.
I just got my first resin Printer and was using SainSmart Rapid UV resin and it had a strong smell of Rust/Dirt that it started to give my mom an asthma attack. I cleaned everything up and purd it back into its bottle. The air clear and everything was ok. I didn't want to spend the night in the ER. Is there a real strong smell to this resin or is there none since I'm looking into getting water-based resins?
My wife responds badly to strong odours. She gets nasty migraines. The Elegoo resins haven't bothered her at all. It's hard to say whether it would be the same for your mother, but I do know different resins have different odours. However, the washable and the standard resins both smelt the same to me... neither seem that strong with the Elegoo brand.
Hi VOG, I have nothing but failure with water wash. It comes off buid plate nearly every time. I've been printing w ABS like with excellent result. The water based fails 100% on Elwgoo Mars. I heat room, shake bottle, use a tad of Rainex on FEP, use recommend settings, even scrub build plate w baking soda- nothing works. Alcohol, and Acetone wiping build plate doesn't seem to help. I'm at a loss. The ABS like is a pain to clean w alcohol, but it prints perfectly.
The first response is the make sure the plate is properly levelled. It's also a good idea to check if the plate is completely flat. Sometimes a little sanding is needed (as I covered in last weeks video - th-cam.com/video/zfNATNOfojA/w-d-xo.html ). Now if your settings are good, it should stick.
I never heat, but I do shake well, and the Elegoo resins have never given me trouble. Some speciality resins are hard to stick, but Elegoo is generally fine.
Here's a thought... watch the video I've mentioned and download the prime coat file from Thingiverse (it's free). Double your bottom layer count and print JUST the prime coat. It's so thin, it only takes a few minutes. These really do stick well but they can be hard to see, so make sure yours is there.
If it works, try the technique I suggest in this video about combining the print and the prime coat. If this fails, and everything else I've said is good, get another bottle of resin and try again. I've never heard of resins going-off, but maybe they do...
Although what you save on alcohol you pay in additional cost of water washable resin. Also try curing the prints in water. Im about to give this a go myself but oxygen is supposedly inhibiting proper curing of the outside layer of the models causing the sheen and tackiness
Great comparison just not sure it's worth almost double the price. Currently for a 1000G bottle it is $29.99 for the regular and $52.99 for the washable.
where do you get it? i dont see it on their website or on amazon
I believe it's due for release in a few days : )
Hi, It still needing UV light after wash with water ? Thanks
Yes, the print still needs to be UV cured as normal 😁
@@vogmanusing this water washable resina, is possible use the Elegoo Mercury to cure with water and later the UV light?
Good job Elegoo,. Next step, please develop a water-washable castable resin. ;)
Oh yes... that would be great : )
I just got a 2k bottle. I think it was a good buy.
where can i buy elegoo water washable resin? I don´t find it...Thanks.
I believe it's due for release in a few days : )
After researching it seems unfortunate that the only available option to purchase in Canada is eSUN washable resin - (seen on Amazon.ca.) Did anyone try the eSUN product? Is it any good?
It's not one I've used yet. Which printer are you using?
@@vogman Original Photon.
I've just had a look at the Photon Resins list and a few guys have submitted eSun but not the water washable by the look of it...
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1crvzMnt_8NJXAsABinoIhcOjE8l3h7s0L82Zlh1vkL8/htmlview?usp=sharing&sle=true
A little out of my field topic, but another good video all the same. 🙂
Thanks Ron : )
Hi! Compliments for yours videos!
So, i have a problem: i have elegoo mars and the new chitubox 1.6.3 (with new settings) and i ve used this resin, but my elegoo now doesn t print, the resin remains attacked on the fep like a sheet. How i can fix this big problem? Thanks
This happens quite often with resin printing so don't be concerned. The prints didn't stick properly to the build plate. Instead they then built up on the FEP like flat blobs.
Empty out all your resin and filter it well to remove any lumps with filters like these amzn.to/2vX26ed . Clean everything well with alcohol, especially the FEP and build plate.
Then take your time and make sure your build plate is properly levelled (I cover that in my review video th-cam.com/video/Z-qC9KtOOzk/w-d-xo.html ). Most printing problems come from this stage, so take your time and you'll get there 😊
If this doesn't work, then you need to make sure your first few layers stick well.
To begin, use a raft as this has a large surface area which helps to adhere. Then adjust the Bottom Layer time. Some resins take longer than others, but if you're using the Elegoo standard or washable grey, try adding 4 seconds. You can increase or decrease this at any time.
If this still doesn't work, let me know.
@@vogman ok! I'm trying know, i hope it works. and many thanks
@@vogman it works!!! i try with others models and i tell you
Glad to hear it : D
@@vogman sorry but the second attempt failled. It prints only che fha base of the raft ..then nothing
Fully agree with you. May I add that the washable resin smells far less. Finally I can print without that toxic stench in the house.
Can't find it anywhere in the US, is it just sold out?
Elegoo tell me they sell through Amazon in the US : )
@@vogman I searched and couldn't find it. It might be out of stock
How do you dispose of the water used to wash the prints?
Ideally it should NOT be poured down the drain. If you've seen my Recycle IPA video th-cam.com/video/5U1IshPqmak/w-d-xo.html the same principle can be applied to water, essentially UV curing out the resin. With this done, the rest can be poured on a patch of concrete on a warm or windy day to let the elements evaporate the water, leaving at most a miniscule trace of resin behind 😁
@@vogman Massively helpful. Thank you.
How does the smell compare between the two resins ?
There's a slight odour to the Standard Elegoo resin, nothing overpowering in my opinion. The Waterbased honestly smelt exactly the same... I couldn't tell the difference : )
That's great news, Seems like the resin to use to me if the cost ends up being about the same. Thank you for sharing the information with us all.
No problem : )
I want a SLR 3d printer. The only thing stopping me at this point is that they are kind of expensive and tend to have a small print volume.
I hear you. They're not cheap. Luckily the price is dropping as a whole : )
@@vogman True. I think once they're a little more affordable I will get one. I will be watching your videos for a review when I'm ready to buy.
Yea now if it could be found for sale anywhere we would be in good shape!
Coming very soon Kevin : D
@@vogman Thanks, cant wait. Been charging up for a resupply and think I will hold out and hope this hits the market before I have to spring for something else.
Where did the Ork Warboss come from?
I did place a Thingiverse link in the description : )
@@vogman There's only 19 designs and none of them are Orks. Or the new Imperial Fist Captain.
Is there any difference in odor?
To me the odours between the standard and the washable are the same : )
Try to "lost resin cast" it please :-)
What Washable resin in the best
I'm sorry, I haven't tried enough to be able to say.
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What about cost comparison?
As it's not on sale here yet, I couldn't compare : )
@@vogman Oh. Looking forward to seeing its release then, thanks!
I use nothing but water washable resin because after clean up, I am not afraid to pour the excess down the sink.
Still prefering Water Washable Resin?
Please tell me you didn't just pour the wash water down the drain! That's my big worry with the water washable. it's still toxic as heck, But you have people just putting it down the drain.
I have to say I did... it never occurred to me not to.
Leave it in a shallow pan in the sun to evaporate, then dispose of the solids as you would plastics.
Excellent idea : )
@@vogman sorry I'm probably being melodramatic. D's sergerstion is a good one, I would cure and filter as I do with my isopropyl. Just we are at the wild West stage of 3d printers, we best not giving people reasons to start complaining :)
what about the smell?
The same as the standard resin which to me isn't too bad : )
im still waiting for elegoo to make a castable resin.... smh. btw i always enjoy your vids
They told me they have no current plans to develop a castable resin. Shame.
Some people have used household cleaners on the standard resin.
th-cam.com/video/tnGasVwkgMk/w-d-xo.html
This video from Uncle Jessy shows what I mean.
I don't know if you can get any of these cleaners in the uk but would be interested to find out.
Great video. Keep up the good work.
IPA isn't expensive
Just buy a few gallons instead of small bottles
I am new on “resin” printer and bought washable because of the promise of “less odor” but disappointed!!!!
Unfortunately this is one of those subjective things. What smells nice to one guy smells horrible to another, etc. Personally I don't find the odours from resins very offensive, but I have to add the odour from this resin was less pungent than many I've used. I hope that helps a little 😁
I would always advise working with doors and windows opens. Plenty of ventilation is key.
it shatters like glass... so for miniatures it's great.
not that anyone uses resin printers for practical printing, this stuff is weak by comparison to standard PLA prints with low infill.