Tali’s “You are real. Real, and mine” is one of the more underrated romance unique lines from her. Considering Quarian culture and how they can’t afford to be selfish and how they always have to have the needs of the fleet come first, her saying that is huge. It doesn’t get enough recognition.
"You are real, real and mine" After these words, I just broke down. It was so sad and beautiful BioWare did a good job, Tali was made a very good and thoughtful character. And Liara, of course, too)
Kaidan's "You're real. Real enough for me." gets at the loneliness, almost desperation he's felt since he was in BAaT. A great line and line reading. Not every bit of dialogue in the MaleShep/Kaidan romance is great but there's this wonderful melancholy where both of them are just grateful to love each other at long last. Really sweet.
I like this scene because in all of the trilogy this seems like the point where Shepard begins to doubt himself personally about the choices he has made post-collector attack. He wonders if he is real or just an "echo" of his reputation.
@@mattstorm360 nah- that would make him a really petty and weak villian. The fact that there was restraint and not just random killings is what makes him so perfect
Best deception ever. Husks are blue. Let's make the red one so no one could ever guess this is the OP Reaper. Because, eventually THE CYCLE WILL CONTINUE or, this was the plan.
I don't think he'd be indoctrinated by then. I think the Illusive Man genuinely wanted to stop the Reapers but as they realised he was a threat and influential, he got indoctrinated. Probably towards the end of ME2, hence the request to save the base.
thrilla72 I know a little late. I believe he was indoctrinated long before this. He found a reaper device on shanxi during the first contact war when he was a mercenary as jack Ryder. He never fully got blasted like the Turians. However in the codex it states that it can be a slow process. I think they knew the best way to undermine humanity was the slow game. Let him build an organisation and infect the structure of humans. Cerberus has numerous agents in all areas of the alliance. Always wondered how he built it that large. Wonder if the reapers were feeding him how to do this.
thrilla72 could be. When the collectors came for Shepard and destroyed the Normandy. His body was about to be given to the then shadow broker. Liars and the the other drell interrupted this. I think once this was done the reapers instead of pushing the issue thought. Ok Cerberus has him. Let us feed the illusive man the knowledge to bring him back. It took them 2 years to do this. They knew Cerberus was actively running against the alliance and was basically trying to isolate humanity from the other races. Kills two birds with one stone. Another part is. I’m not sure if you read mass effect books. Revelation shows that at the end of the book a mysterious intelligence ( find out to be sovereign) basically indoctrinated a human scientist and when saren tracked it down, the reaper used him. That was set 20 years prior to mass effect 1. So indoctrinated people do not simply loose their minds. It is up to the reaper how slow or quickly they degrade. They thought if I low level influence them I can convince them simply on what our goals are. They move slow and with purpose. Also and this grinded me. At the end of mass effect 2 you have a choice to save or destroy the collector base. In mass effect 3 the human proto reaper is at the Cerberus base whatever you choose. I think they showed him how to discover the remainder of the base if you choose to blow it up.
@@loudman12if the reapers did give the illusive man the idea of resurrecting shephard then it also makes me question why the reapers do that know full well what commander shephard is capable of
@@werty21100 absolutely agree. Maybe the illusive man was not totally being manipulated and maybe he had a lot of freedom and maybe he was trying to save humanity. He went massively downhill after mass effect 2 and was obsessed with indoctrination and that’s when he was fully taken over. Also not sure but there is a soundboard of all of harbingers comments to Shepard. In there he says “Shepard you could have been useful “ maybe also they saw humanity and Shepard totally different to just making a reaper. There is some fiction in the community that the reapers were not going to harvest all of us. They would leave a portion of humanity behind as Shepard’s for the next cycle.
Does anyone else think what the Illusive Man did wasn't so clever after all? Yeah, he got Shepard to work with him, but never more than necessary. And it didn't give Cerberus any long-term advantages against the Alliance. On the contrary, it gave Shepard a foot in the door so he could steal their operatives once he turned on them. And, the crew they gave him didn't make him trust them any more, it only enabled Shepard to steal their ship in the end. On the whole, I never felt particularly betrayed or outsmarted by Cerberus. I knew they weren't saints just because they saved my life and gave me stuff.
Depends really, it was a Batman gambit centered around his profiling on Shepard, it also sort of evolved towards a Xanatos gambit. (*A Xanatos Gambit is a plan for which all foreseeable outcomes ultimately benefit its creator - including ones that superficially appear to be a failure.*) e.g, in Star Wars: this was employed by Darth Sidious. If Vader kills Luke then he destroys the last Jedi, crushes the rebellion. If Luke kills Vader, Luke is susceptible to the dark side thus the Emperor can gain a new apprentice and then crushes the rebellion. Regardless of the victor of the battle it's a win-win (yet he fucked up so badly cause he didn't cover his ass.) For the Illusive Man, it could go one of two ways: *a.* Shepard blew-up the Collector base. TiM loses an opportunity to gather Cerberus super-soldiers, yet he still eliminates his short-term threats which are the collectors and confirms his hypothesis from the beginning. Or... *b.* Shepard gives Cerberus the Collector base, Illusive Man gains valuable Intel. Gains a new facility, on the ashes of his now eliminated short-term threat. TiM gains something either way, and it's played even further in ME3 as regardless of whether Shepard blew up the base, TiM was still be able to indoctrinate and create super-soldiers. Ultimately highlighting that Shepard's choice as a factor was redundant. As TiM already had back-up plans... remember, we were just the Lazarus cell according to EDI. There were many more plans at play to ensure his victory. _He also subtly manipulates everyone...._ *-* Confirming his theory that the Collectors had taken a new-found interest in humanity as a result of Shepard's actions by selecting a colony that Kaidan/Ashley _just happened_ to be stationed in. *_Coincidence?_* *-* Then, removing any chance of Kaidan/Ashley's interference by either getting them abducted by the Collectors, or forcing Shepard to confront them regarding Shepard's newfound allegiance to Cerberus, which very likely looked worse than it actually was. Either Kaidan/Ashley will cut all ties with Shepard, or begrudgingly accept the decision as a necessary one. *All three outcomes works out for the Illusive Man*. (A smaller Xanatos Gambit) *-* He claimed that Liara couldn't be trusted because she was working for the Shadow Broker, when the truth was the exact opposite. However, he later goes back on this and actually provides Shepard with intel that results in the Shadow Broker's downfall, giving him the opening to try to take Liara down once she was no longer useful. There's way more examples, and in retrospect everything YOU did in Mass Effect 2 was either manufactured, calibrated to a specification or manipulated to some extent by the Illusive man. So, I'd say it depends. If he planned all this, he's quite clever.
TiM is a master manipulator with a massive information network which rivals even that of the Shadow Broker. He's pragmatic, Machiavellian, and a ruthless strategist. I fully expect him to have manipulated much of the events of ME2 to his own gain. There's no way he would be stupid enough to resurrect an Alliance soldier known for his strong loyalties to the Alliance and distaste for Cerberus without backup plans. It's also why I really liked Cerberus and the Illusive Man. With the backdrop of the impending Reaper threat, with their sheer military force, I loved the idea of this small group of rogue covert operatives, scientists, analysts, and political manipulators, funded by unseen, powerful interests and led by a shadowy, yet charismatic leader, hiding within the shadows, striking without warning. We saw Sovereign almost decimate the Galactic fleets in a straight up fight. The idea of this shadowy organization, instead confronting the Reapers not on the battlefield, but in the shadows, using precision strikes, espionage, and science rather than fleets and armies, it was like something out of a Tom Clancey novel set in space. And I fucked loved it. Mass Effect 2 really built on that spy movie vibe of ME1 by having Shepherd conducting these rogue, unsanctioned operations to save the galaxy. And on top of that, this whole idea that Cerberus, while opposed to the Reapers, has its own sinister goals? The idea that you can't even trust your own allies? That was some seriously top notched, and nuanced writing. I loved ME2's Cerberus, even ME1's Cerberus for the air of mystery around them. It's also why I hated what ME3 did with Cerberus. Turning them from the collection of spies and covert operators that they were in ME2 and now making them into a full fledged military with fleets and armies, going to war with the Alliance, invading planets, seizing systems. It just went against everything we had seen Cerberus was. The whole point of Cerberus was that they were this small, but influential organization, relying on intelligence gathering, technological acumen, and soft power to achieve their aims. Having them waging full scale war just felt so out of place. I would have preferred it if Cerberus was instead conducting operations which sometimes ran parallel to Shepherd's goals, and sometimes directly against Shepherd's goals. Leaving their true motivations and goals a mystery until the end of the game. Like one mission, having them pass on crucial intel to Shepherd, and then another mission, having them steal even more crucial information from Shepherd.
Tbh I would've loved the idea of Cerberus splitting up just a bit before mass effect three when Tim revealed his true intentions. Shepard would've been able to recruit Cerberus loyalist lead by Miranda and other operatives or leaders who turned their back on the illusive man for Cerberus is suppose to be mankind's shield not a knife in it's back.
"i thought you were just unconscious, that sounds like more" really Ashley? was it the words "clinical brain death" that tipped you off? who says soldiers aren't smart?
@@journey95far49 To be fair, considering the things Cerberus was up to in ME1 which was more in line with their "evil" ME3 counterparts, there's a good reason the Virmire survivor would be distrustful, they were wrong of course but they had the right reason to distrust us. 1
Imagine how confused shepherd must feel, not knowing if he’s real or just an artificial copy meant to emulate the real Shepard. Like how the clone felt in ME3
I can’t blame the illusive man for his actions at that point. He brought Shepard back as he was when they needed him and tried to make him comfortable enough to to make a suicide mission. His true indoctrination seemed to happen after be brought back parts of the reaper to his own base. He was an antagonist for sure but one I can partially understand before his complete indoctrination. Damn shame. Such an amazing character with a deep backstory and motivation.
Let all remember what liara must have felt if you romance her . She probably broke down I mean her legs gave out and she probably didn't even had the strength to move after seeing Shephard body . We know his body need spare part from his clone so therefore he had missing arms and legs that obvious and probably his whole inside needed to be replaced
His helmet was gone too, you find it separately in the Normandy Crash Site so he probably lost his head too, honestly it's amazing he wasn't ash after falling through a planets atmosphere and smashing into the ground at terminal velocity, Jacob said it best "Meat and Tubes"
ME:A does not have Shepard, only minor references to him. You play as either Sara Ryder, or Scott Ryder (twins who's father is the OG Pathfinder of the Human Ark Hyperion).
They were in space for a long period, well below the temperature the body would be frozen solidly and without atmosphere long before they froze, how did they expect the brain to be anything but a completely dead popsicle
First No neither Gender Shepard Never got frozen in Outer Space; they Survived. Second Shepard DID NOT DIE, (Either Gender) Shepard Survived, the Commander Most likely fixed the Suit's Oxygen tanks OFF SCREEN, When entering the Atmosphere getting some Heat Radiation The Kinetic Barrier shields would have protected the Commander and it did, but by the time the Kinetic Barrier shied went down the commander might have gotten a little fire, but not Totally, and Would Have Put out the fire by either landing on the water or landing on the snow. Even if there was no water on that planet, the commander still landed on the snow which made a soft landing, like landing on a pillow, and you're probably thinking no one has ever survived High Falls, But that's where each of you are Wrong, there was a Woman that survived 33,333 feet in the air with no Parachute, So Shepard could have Survived by landing on feet, put out any remaing fire on the snow, and Ended up with broken mangled arms , You broken legs and a broken neck, he was comatosed until shadow broker's minion's picked up the Commander, put the Commander in a Stasis Pod with Life Support, then Cerberus with little help from Mass Effect 2 Traitor Bitch Liara took back the Stasis Pod, She let them take Shepard even though they knew they use the Commander for their Purposes, Miranda said She wanted to Put a Control chip in the Commander to make the Commander a slave, But the Illusive Man ordered her NOT to, They hooked Up Shepard to their Life Support machine spent 2 Years to Rebuilt the Broken Bones, Mangled Skin, and fix some Damaged Organs, so Technically Shepard was Still Alive, Just Barely Alive needed to fix The Brain as well, But still Alive nonetheless,
I wish you had been able to confront Liara about her role in all of this. Not only a spacer Shepard who has a living parent but just in general. Nobody else in the universe of the game has been brought back to life (as anything other than reaper husks), but she gives Shepard's body to a terrorist organization known specifically to Shepard and his original Normandy crew as having done horrific experiments on living and dead creatures, all on the hope that they can do the hitherto impossible, miraculous task of bringing Shepard back to life. There are numerous repercussions for Shepard (forced by game design to work with Cerberus in ME2 but treated in ME2/ME3 as though they had a choice in the matter), but zero for Liara, who created that situation. It would have been so much more sympathetic and believable and in-character for ME1 Liara if she had risked her life to save Shepard from an underhanded deal about Shepard's body between Cerberus/Shadow Broker/Collectors/whomever, and then Cerberus had stolen Shepard from her anyway. As it is, she's just 100% complicit and nothing is ever said of it ever again. Her line here about the Illusive Man being an excellent judge of character feels all kinds of wrong given that Shepard can't turn around and say it right back at her. Just bizarre writing choices for her with the Cerberus stuff.
3:36 "every instinct I had told me not to trust cerberus but I needed them anyway" I mean this line of dialogue doesn't make sense if you played paragon shepard because they make it abundantly clear throughout mass effect 2 that they don't trust them and its why they want people like garrus and tali with them, people they can trust
Really wish miranda could have been in the party herself, she was an interesting character that sorta reminds me of yennefer and would have made a great returning character
That Miranda isn't part of this mission is ridiculous honestly..she is basically as important to the whole Cerberus & Lazarus project arc as Shepard. Her comments here would have been interesting
"I didn't realize it was that bad..." C:\Shephard\Desktop Running Skynet Kernal 3.42.001 Open Reaper.exe "I'm still me. You rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh."
+Rui Rui Brain death is not a coma. In coma brain activity is significantly lower, however it is not zero. You still breathe in coma or in vegetative state, but when you are brain dead there is literally zero activity in your brain. So without ventilation and life support that does stuff for you your body would quickly die. So Shepard was in fact dead, they just use the term "brain death" to highlight the fact that there was no activity in the brain. He was as dead as you can be.
Never saw Cerberus for what it was or distract Shepard with friendly faces people who played and remember ME1 - Yeah, Cerberus is evil and I don't trust them. Glad they brought me back to life and reunited me with my friends and my love Tali, but... Shepard: Tali, where is that bomb? Tali: Right here. (gives Shepard bomb to blow up Cerberus)
No they did not bring (Either Gender) Shepard back to life. LIES! Shepard DID NOT DIE, Shepard Survived, the Commander Most likely fixed the Suit's Oxygen tanks OFF SCREEN, When entering the Atmosphere getting some Heat Radiation The Kinetic Barrier shields would have protected the Commander and it did, but by the time the Kinetic Barrier shied went down the commander might have gotten a little fire, but not Totally, and Would Have Put out the fire by either landing on the water or landing on the snow. Even if there was no water on that planet, the commander still landed on the snow which made a soft landing, like landing on a pillow, and you're probably thinking no one has ever survived High Falls, But that's where each of you are Wrong, there was a Woman that survived 33,333 feet in the air with no Parachute, So Shepard could have Survived by landing on feet, put out any remaing fire on the snow, and Ended up with broken mangled arms , You broken legs and a broken neck, he was comatosed until shadow broker's minion's picked up the Commander, put the Commander in a Stasis Pod with Life Support, then Cerberus with little help from Mass Effect 2 Traitor Bitch Liara took back the Stasis Pod, She let them take Shepard even though they knew they use the Commander for their Purposes, Miranda said She wanted to Put a Control chip in the Commander to make the Commander a slave, But the Illusive Man ordered her NOT to, They hooked Up Shepard to their Life Support machine spent 2 Years to Rebuilt the Broken Bones, Mangled Skin, and fix some Damaged Organs, so Technically Shepard was Still Alive, Just Barely Alive needed to fix The Brain as well, But still Alive nonetheless,
Either Gender Shepard Never died, after the Explosion from the Mark 1 prototype Normandy, Shepard crashed landed on Alchera the barren frozen wasteland planet. After the ship exploded, the Commander fixed the Oxygen tanks off screen, True Shepard might have caught a little fire in the atmosphere or exosphere, but the kinetic barrier shield protected the Commander from getting completely burned, by the time the shields went down, the Commander was already out of the blazing Atmosphere or Exosphere, (Not all planets have Atmospheres, Planet Mercury does not have a Atmosphere instead has a exopshere, getting little closer to the surface, the Commander would have either landed on Water Rivers, Ponds, or Lakes, go through a cloud, or barely slow down crash landing on feet, so land on the Snowy ground surface of the planet that made a soft landing, to soften the landing. But even if there were no Water on the Surface, the Commander still had other ways to extinguish fire, most likely one is passing through a cloud since every clouds are made of Water Vapour. Either way Shepard managed to get the fire destroyed, either in the snow or water vapour, slowed down the free fall by using Biotics, but another Ship Parr explosion happened sending Shrapnel through the armor, slightly damaging Oxygen tanks again, managed to slow down barely then crash landed on feet but lost control due to Shrapnel, was badly Brutalized with broken Arms, Broken legs, one broken Neck bone, few facial scars. Some damaged Breathing Organs, Shepard had a Oxygen tank to stay alive, but wasn't gonna last all day, was slowly leaking then was comatosed. But the Commander's suit transponder was still emiting the emergency distress beacon, by the time the Collectors left to go to hiding for now, they issued a Bounty find the Commander Dead or Alive, brought back to them, then the Shadow Broker henchman S.B for short went to the last known location, found the Beacon on Alchera. Found Shepard's barely alive Comatose Brutalized body, the Oxygen tank held up long enough for Shepard to be found by S.B henchman, they were almost emptied, they Saved Shepard. They hooked up the Commander to their Life Support Stasis pod. The S.B. made Sure Shepard is still alive. Gave Shepard a Neck brace they put the body in a box with life support to make sure the Commander breathes. Eventually Jacob still an Alliance soldier before joining Cerberus, Liara, Miranda Feron Former S.B. Employee got the body back from those IDIOTS. But Feron was captured in the process, what Feron did barely redeems what he's done as a S.B. Employee. Miranda lied to Liara about Shepard dying, showed a Fake Body, told her they they can rebuild the damaged body, she knew they would use Shepard for their Racist alien Purpose. Yet she gave the body to them she pratically betrayed Shepard doing that, FREAKING BLUE IDIOT STUPID TWAT🟦. Also at Ilum When Shepard said You did this to me. Then she says And if I didn't you would be dead. It was them or the Collectors. Indicating Miranda threatened her if she didn't give Shepard to Cerberus she would kill Liara take Shepard to the Collectors Indicating how little respect she had for Shepard. I understand Liara was in a No win situation but not angry at her because of that. Only angry at her for telling The Alliance along with telling Shepard about this at the Wrong late time. She's also not much help as a Stupid Information broker during Mass Effect Two, for these three crimes, she is on House Arrest, she is Suspended from the Normandy for unnecessary force ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY FORCE. For those that value Shepard's great reputation also don't want to waste time nor resources, don't bother helping Liara on hacking stupid terminals, don't help her on the S.B Vendetta mission she can do it by herself with her own team of Mercenaries. She us still worth Romancing but not worth helping. She will redeem herself by getting the S.B Killed, plus saving Feron, but if she can't save Feron, only Kills the S.B. but Feron dies, then so be it, she probably deserves it too.
Shepard Brain isn't only organic, maybe part of his mind is organic but his memories somewhat a virtual copy, like sleeves in Altered Carbon. The real Shepard is dead, this is only another being that was created from Shepard's memories.
Idk, was the Illusive Man really that successfully manipulative? You can play your cards pretty close to your chest as Shepard, and especially if you destroy the Collector Base, you only really did what was necessary to stop the them, and didn‘t really play into the Illusive Man‘s hands. On the contrary, he looses an expensive Ship, a crew, EDI and Miranda, all of which Shepard gets to keep. You might say Shepard practiced some successful entryism with Cerberus, and definitely came out of it in a better position than they.
I really hate what they did with Cerberus. I thought Renegade Shepard will be allowed to go on full tyrant rampage, take over organisation and become Space Stalin. With Illusive Man killed as soon as he will stop being useful.
No, she's finally seeing her assumptions of the situation were completely wrong. On Horizon she was shocked, confused, upset and felt betrayed, she wasn't her most rational or stable and lashed out. Understandable. I don't like her, a tad too bitchy in the wrong ways, but her actions make sense.
timemonkey that's because Ashley discovered the Illusive Man was manipulating us the whole time in ME2. The way I see it: you ALL owe Kaidan and Ashley an apology.
She, and Kaiden both Realize their Assumptions on commander Shepard working with Cerberus were TOTALLY WRONG. For that, they apologive to the Commander
Until she gets to Mass Effect 3, where she literally never starts trusting you. Where she rejects any notion of you not being with Cerberus during the coup, even when she turns a gun on Udina. And proceeds to never question her own prejudices against anyone who is former Cerberus, or alien.
i can't believe i'm saying this...but i have to agree with you. but what i really hate is the Council...seriously...how did these morons get into power?
amitakartok yes because that's worked for them really well hasn't it? a Batarian spy ring almost killing them, Geth attack led by a Reaper and Cerberus almost putting a bullet in their brains.
Ashley: I thought you were unconscious You spent Horizon and the first act of ME3 convinced Shepard was a clone or cerberus agent. He was obviously more than unconscious Ashley. The Same can be said for Kaiden and the Coma comment, but at least a Coma(especially 2 years of Coma) is a little more serious and might actually require medical intervention.
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Tali’s “You are real. Real, and mine” is one of the more underrated romance unique lines from her. Considering Quarian culture and how they can’t afford to be selfish and how they always have to have the needs of the fleet come first, her saying that is huge. It doesn’t get enough recognition.
"What was it like? I mean, if you remember..."
CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE
XD Underrated comment.
@@ThePlatineist this thing's got 200 likes
Remembering that much trauma causes Shepard to reflexively commit suicide
Tali is very straightforward. Everyone else is all "omg he used your friends as a shield!!" and she just says "He needs to die." Love Tali.
+ByNoOneMoreThanMe She (and Garrus) are my favourite characters
She turn dark saying that.
From a caring lover to a cold blooded killer with in 3 seconds
shes boring. Stupid suit-rat
@@ricocintron4456 Wow, new record!
Tali knows the score, she doesn’t need to tell Shepard what they’re already thinking
"You are real, real and mine"
After these words, I just broke down. It was so sad and beautiful
BioWare did a good job, Tali was made a very good and thoughtful character. And Liara, of course, too)
Kaidan's "You're real. Real enough for me." gets at the loneliness, almost desperation he's felt since he was in BAaT. A great line and line reading.
Not every bit of dialogue in the MaleShep/Kaidan romance is great but there's this wonderful melancholy where both of them are just grateful to love each other at long last. Really sweet.
The way tali says it reminds me of jealous maranda how she’s says she wants to make sure everyone knows shepherd is hers
I like this scene because in all of the trilogy this seems like the point where Shepard begins to doubt himself personally about the choices he has made post-collector attack. He wonders if he is real or just an "echo" of his reputation.
"It can't be done. It's not a matter of resources-"
"It's always a matter of resources."
God, I love that line.
Yeah before being indoctrinated and being desperate the illusive man had his moments and made some good choices.
The Illusive Man is one of my favourite ME characters, he has many memorable lines like that. Wish he wasn't indoctrinated though
Should have ended that with "she is now in charge of project lazarus." *Gun shot.*
@@mattstorm360 nah- that would make him a really petty and weak villian.
The fact that there was restraint and not just random killings is what makes him so perfect
Shepard falls from space crashing into a planet and turned to mush
Ashley: I thought you were just unconscious
It's funny how Javik goes from ruthless, cold, and calculating to damn gotta console this dude in the best way I know how.
“Be surprised if it didn’t mess you up a little.” He says to the guy with lava in his veins and death rays in his eyes.
Javik insult: "you're a primitive!"
Javik compliment: "you're still fighting!"
That’s why I like romancing Tali because when she says “ your real and your mine” it sounds so real and I love it
Garrus: "a little crazy, maybe"
no shit, Garrus. What tipped you off? the glowing red eyes and scars?
Illusive man is actually a great writer "no, we need sympathetic faces" Allegory for the writer needing to get the gamer invested.
@7YrsPerHr Hey-yo!
Kaiden's voice actor brought it 150% in ME3
Kaiden. "your human, thats good enough for me." Has fucking cyborg eyes.
Best deception ever.
Husks are blue.
Let's make the red one so no one could ever guess this is the OP Reaper. Because, eventually
THE CYCLE WILL CONTINUE
or, this was the plan.
Anyone else find Javik's line at 1:49 to be really reassuring given the situation?
One of my favorite lines from a character I generally didn’t care for.
I think it’d make me feel better if I was in this situation, yeah.
i love how Garrus and Javik are the badass ones but Talis the only one to say "He needs to die"
Tali is on team Mako after all
"You're human" really? he looks like a Terminator
Give me your cloths boots and your omni tool!
I really like this scene, makes Shepard feel more human since he doubts himself and is shocked
I don't think he'd be indoctrinated by then. I think the Illusive Man genuinely wanted to stop the Reapers but as they realised he was a threat and influential, he got indoctrinated. Probably towards the end of ME2, hence the request to save the base.
thrilla72 I know a little late. I believe he was indoctrinated long before this. He found a reaper device on shanxi during the first contact war when he was a mercenary as jack Ryder. He never fully got blasted like the Turians. However in the codex it states that it can be a slow process. I think they knew the best way to undermine humanity was the slow game. Let him build an organisation and infect the structure of humans. Cerberus has numerous agents in all areas of the alliance. Always wondered how he built it that large. Wonder if the reapers were feeding him how to do this.
@@loudman12 It's scary that you may be right. So was resurrecting Shepard his idea or the Reaper's?
thrilla72 could be. When the collectors came for Shepard and destroyed the Normandy. His body was about to be given to the then shadow broker. Liars and the the other drell interrupted this. I think once this was done the reapers instead of pushing the issue thought. Ok Cerberus has him. Let us feed the illusive man the knowledge to bring him back. It took them 2 years to do this. They knew Cerberus was actively running against the alliance and was basically trying to isolate humanity from the other races. Kills two birds with one stone. Another part is. I’m not sure if you read mass effect books. Revelation shows that at the end of the book a mysterious intelligence ( find out to be sovereign) basically indoctrinated a human scientist and when saren tracked it down, the reaper used him. That was set 20 years prior to mass effect 1. So indoctrinated people do not simply loose their minds. It is up to the reaper how slow or quickly they degrade. They thought if I low level influence them I can convince them simply on what our goals are. They move slow and with purpose. Also and this grinded me. At the end of mass effect 2 you have a choice to save or destroy the collector base. In mass effect 3 the human proto reaper is at the Cerberus base whatever you choose. I think they showed him how to discover the remainder of the base if you choose to blow it up.
@@loudman12if the reapers did give the illusive man the idea of resurrecting shephard then it also makes me question why the reapers do that know full well what commander shephard is capable of
@@werty21100 absolutely agree. Maybe the illusive man was not totally being manipulated and maybe he had a lot of freedom and maybe he was trying to save humanity. He went massively downhill after mass effect 2 and was obsessed with indoctrination and that’s when he was fully taken over. Also not sure but there is a soundboard of all of harbingers comments to Shepard. In there he says “Shepard you could have been useful “ maybe also they saw humanity and Shepard totally different to just making a reaper. There is some fiction in the community that the reapers were not going to harvest all of us. They would leave a portion of humanity behind as Shepard’s for the next cycle.
Does anyone else think what the Illusive Man did wasn't so clever after all? Yeah, he got Shepard to work with him, but never more than necessary. And it didn't give Cerberus any long-term advantages against the Alliance. On the contrary, it gave Shepard a foot in the door so he could steal their operatives once he turned on them. And, the crew they gave him didn't make him trust them any more, it only enabled Shepard to steal their ship in the end.
On the whole, I never felt particularly betrayed or outsmarted by Cerberus. I knew they weren't saints just because they saved my life and gave me stuff.
Depends really, it was a Batman gambit centered around his profiling on Shepard, it also sort of evolved towards a Xanatos gambit. (*A Xanatos Gambit is a plan for which all foreseeable outcomes ultimately benefit its creator - including ones that superficially appear to be a failure.*) e.g, in Star Wars: this was employed by Darth Sidious. If Vader kills Luke then he destroys the last Jedi, crushes the rebellion. If Luke kills Vader, Luke is susceptible to the dark side thus the Emperor can gain a new apprentice and then crushes the rebellion. Regardless of the victor of the battle it's a win-win (yet he fucked up so badly cause he didn't cover his ass.)
For the Illusive Man, it could go one of two ways:
*a.* Shepard blew-up the Collector base. TiM loses an opportunity to gather Cerberus super-soldiers, yet he still eliminates his short-term threats which are the collectors and confirms his hypothesis from the beginning. Or...
*b.* Shepard gives Cerberus the Collector base, Illusive Man gains valuable Intel. Gains a new facility, on the ashes of his now eliminated short-term threat.
TiM gains something either way, and it's played even further in ME3 as regardless of whether Shepard blew up the base, TiM was still be able to indoctrinate and create super-soldiers. Ultimately highlighting that Shepard's choice as a factor was redundant. As TiM already had back-up plans... remember, we were just the Lazarus cell according to EDI. There were many more plans at play to ensure his victory.
_He also subtly manipulates everyone...._
*-* Confirming his theory that the Collectors had taken a new-found interest in humanity as a result of Shepard's actions by selecting a colony that Kaidan/Ashley _just happened_ to be stationed in. *_Coincidence?_*
*-* Then, removing any chance of Kaidan/Ashley's interference by either getting them abducted by the Collectors, or forcing Shepard to confront them regarding Shepard's newfound allegiance to Cerberus, which very likely looked worse than it actually was. Either Kaidan/Ashley will cut all ties with Shepard, or begrudgingly accept the decision as a necessary one. *All three outcomes works out for the Illusive Man*. (A smaller Xanatos Gambit)
*-* He claimed that Liara couldn't be trusted because she was working for the Shadow Broker, when the truth was the exact opposite. However, he later goes back on this and actually provides Shepard with intel that results in the Shadow Broker's downfall, giving him the opening to try to take Liara down once she was no longer useful.
There's way more examples, and in retrospect everything YOU did in Mass Effect 2 was either manufactured, calibrated to a specification or manipulated to some extent by the Illusive man. So, I'd say it depends. If he planned all this, he's quite clever.
TiM is a master manipulator with a massive information network which rivals even that of the Shadow Broker. He's pragmatic, Machiavellian, and a ruthless strategist. I fully expect him to have manipulated much of the events of ME2 to his own gain. There's no way he would be stupid enough to resurrect an Alliance soldier known for his strong loyalties to the Alliance and distaste for Cerberus without backup plans. It's also why I really liked Cerberus and the Illusive Man. With the backdrop of the impending Reaper threat, with their sheer military force, I loved the idea of this small group of rogue covert operatives, scientists, analysts, and political manipulators, funded by unseen, powerful interests and led by a shadowy, yet charismatic leader, hiding within the shadows, striking without warning.
We saw Sovereign almost decimate the Galactic fleets in a straight up fight. The idea of this shadowy organization, instead confronting the Reapers not on the battlefield, but in the shadows, using precision strikes, espionage, and science rather than fleets and armies, it was like something out of a Tom Clancey novel set in space. And I fucked loved it. Mass Effect 2 really built on that spy movie vibe of ME1 by having Shepherd conducting these rogue, unsanctioned operations to save the galaxy. And on top of that, this whole idea that Cerberus, while opposed to the Reapers, has its own sinister goals? The idea that you can't even trust your own allies? That was some seriously top notched, and nuanced writing. I loved ME2's Cerberus, even ME1's Cerberus for the air of mystery around them.
It's also why I hated what ME3 did with Cerberus. Turning them from the collection of spies and covert operators that they were in ME2 and now making them into a full fledged military with fleets and armies, going to war with the Alliance, invading planets, seizing systems. It just went against everything we had seen Cerberus was. The whole point of Cerberus was that they were this small, but influential organization, relying on intelligence gathering, technological acumen, and soft power to achieve their aims. Having them waging full scale war just felt so out of place. I would have preferred it if Cerberus was instead conducting operations which sometimes ran parallel to Shepherd's goals, and sometimes directly against Shepherd's goals. Leaving their true motivations and goals a mystery until the end of the game. Like one mission, having them pass on crucial intel to Shepherd, and then another mission, having them steal even more crucial information from Shepherd.
+al Mamluk, I'd agree, but remember, Cerberus's goal has always been the advancement of humanity AT ANY COST.
Tbh I would've loved the idea of Cerberus splitting up just a bit before mass effect three when Tim revealed his true intentions. Shepard would've been able to recruit Cerberus loyalist lead by Miranda and other operatives or leaders who turned their back on the illusive man for Cerberus is suppose to be mankind's shield not a knife in it's back.
I think Ben Harper tried to do what's right and along the way got outmanipulated by the reapers.
Goddamnit I just can't get over how much I love Tali.
The Mass Effect franchise needs Project Lazarus
"i thought you were just unconscious, that sounds like more" really Ashley? was it the words "clinical brain death" that tipped you off? who says soldiers aren't smart?
Or as Kal'Reegar put it: "Can't really comment on that, ma'am. I just shoot things".
You really had to do it to her my dude
Thats why she was pissed off. She thought we were alive but in coma.
@@tcmugutc01 Ashley becomes really annoying with her distrust of Shep in ME2 and ME3
@@journey95far49 To be fair, considering the things Cerberus was up to in ME1 which was more in line with their "evil" ME3 counterparts, there's a good reason the Virmire survivor would be distrustful, they were wrong of course but they had the right reason to distrust us. 1
Tali: "He needs to die."
Me: "WOAH TALI!" I mean, damn. Wasn't expecting that answer hahaha
I wish the games had more moments like this that delved more into Shep's trauma and allowed us to personalize his response to it
"I wish you told me this, Shepard. I knew it was really you, the moment I touched you again."
OMG LIARA MY HEART
Ashley and Tali 's angry response was interesting after seeing the entry logs.
Imagine how confused shepherd must feel, not knowing if he’s real or just an artificial copy meant to emulate the real Shepard. Like how the clone felt in ME3
You're human. It's enough for me, commander.
Kaidan, why I love you so much
2:07 Oh my god, Tali is always the best!
I can’t blame the illusive man for his actions at that point. He brought Shepard back as he was when they needed him and tried to make him comfortable enough to to make a suicide mission. His true indoctrination seemed to happen after be brought back parts of the reaper to his own base. He was an antagonist for sure but one I can partially understand before his complete indoctrination. Damn shame. Such an amazing character with a deep backstory and motivation.
This really should have been in Mass Effect 2. That would have given this the time it deserves to simmer.
Sure bit it also makes sense here, to finish the Cerberus arc with it and reveal this (where it started basically)
Ironically, I find Javik’s comment to be the most comforting.
funny how everyone at the end was pissed except javik, who appreciates smart planning "impressive manipulation technique"
Let all remember what liara must have felt if you romance her . She probably broke down I mean her legs gave out and she probably didn't even had the strength to move after seeing Shephard body . We know his body need spare part from his clone so therefore he had missing arms and legs that obvious and probably his whole inside needed to be replaced
His helmet was gone too, you find it separately in the Normandy Crash Site so he probably lost his head too, honestly it's amazing he wasn't ash after falling through a planets atmosphere and smashing into the ground at terminal velocity, Jacob said it best "Meat and Tubes"
This should've been for ME 4. Finding out exactly what cereberus done to him. While another person rejuvenates the organization.
ME:A does not have Shepard, only minor references to him. You play as either Sara Ryder, or Scott Ryder (twins who's father is the OG Pathfinder of the Human Ark Hyperion).
@@christopheredwards9904 no I mean instead of ME:A, they should've meade Mass Effect 4. Y'know.
Liara is the best out of them all, because if you romance her on your ME2 save and ME3 she actually confirms it's really you.
Tali learned something from her crazy headbutting uncle Wrex after all 4:57.
This was a great scene of vulnerability for Shepard, important for the story.
Pity, that EDI didn't gave an opinion.
They were in space for a long period, well below the temperature the body would be frozen solidly and without atmosphere long before they froze, how did they expect the brain to be anything but a completely dead popsicle
Future tech my dude
Your forgetting Shepard crashed into the planet, he was pretty much a fucking rock with somewhat a brain inside.
First No neither Gender Shepard Never got frozen in Outer Space; they Survived. Second Shepard DID NOT DIE, (Either Gender) Shepard Survived, the Commander Most likely fixed the Suit's Oxygen tanks OFF SCREEN, When entering the Atmosphere getting some Heat Radiation The Kinetic Barrier shields would have protected the Commander and it did, but by the time the Kinetic Barrier shied went down the commander might have gotten a little fire, but not Totally, and Would Have Put out the fire by either landing on the water or landing on the snow. Even if there was no water on that planet, the commander still landed on the snow which made a soft landing, like landing on a pillow, and you're probably thinking no one has ever survived High Falls, But that's where each of you are Wrong, there was a Woman that survived 33,333 feet in the air with no Parachute, So Shepard could have Survived by landing on feet, put out any remaing fire on the snow, and Ended up with broken mangled arms , You broken legs and a broken neck, he was comatosed until shadow broker's minion's picked up the Commander, put the Commander in a Stasis Pod with Life Support, then Cerberus with little help from Mass Effect 2 Traitor Bitch Liara took back the Stasis Pod, She let them take Shepard even though they knew they use the Commander for their Purposes, Miranda said She wanted to Put a Control chip in the Commander to make the Commander a slave, But the Illusive Man ordered her NOT to, They hooked Up Shepard to their Life Support machine spent 2 Years to Rebuilt the Broken Bones, Mangled Skin, and fix some Damaged Organs, so Technically Shepard was Still Alive, Just Barely Alive needed to fix The Brain as well, But still Alive nonetheless,
Looks like.
Just the PATIENCE to do this video....damn....good work boss!
I wish you had been able to confront Liara about her role in all of this. Not only a spacer Shepard who has a living parent but just in general. Nobody else in the universe of the game has been brought back to life (as anything other than reaper husks), but she gives Shepard's body to a terrorist organization known specifically to Shepard and his original Normandy crew as having done horrific experiments on living and dead creatures, all on the hope that they can do the hitherto impossible, miraculous task of bringing Shepard back to life. There are numerous repercussions for Shepard (forced by game design to work with Cerberus in ME2 but treated in ME2/ME3 as though they had a choice in the matter), but zero for Liara, who created that situation. It would have been so much more sympathetic and believable and in-character for ME1 Liara if she had risked her life to save Shepard from an underhanded deal about Shepard's body between Cerberus/Shadow Broker/Collectors/whomever, and then Cerberus had stolen Shepard from her anyway. As it is, she's just 100% complicit and nothing is ever said of it ever again. Her line here about the Illusive Man being an excellent judge of character feels all kinds of wrong given that Shepard can't turn around and say it right back at her. Just bizarre writing choices for her with the Cerberus stuff.
3:36
"every instinct I had told me not to trust cerberus but I needed them anyway" I mean this line of dialogue doesn't make sense if you played paragon shepard because they make it abundantly clear throughout mass effect 2 that they don't trust them and its why they want people like garrus and tali with them, people they can trust
I do not like Cerberus or the Alliance. I want to live on Illium or Omega and join up with Aria.
At least aria straight forward at least don't piss her off
Or changed her mind. In Poland we have a saying: only a cow doesn't change it's mind.
I need to play through three again, explicitly with Javik and Garrus.
Attack of the battle bros.
He looks like a Terminator
Due to playing the entire renegade options in the entire game
@@karlsmith2570 due to the amount of tech under his skin.
Really wish miranda could have been in the party herself, she was an interesting character that sorta reminds me of yennefer and would have made a great returning character
That Miranda isn't part of this mission is ridiculous honestly..she is basically as important to the whole Cerberus & Lazarus project arc as Shepard. Her comments here would have been interesting
They should have put more stuff like this into the game. Instead of fixing everyone else's mental issues, someone should fix Shepard's.
"I didn't realize it was that bad..."
C:\Shephard\Desktop
Running Skynet Kernal 3.42.001
Open Reaper.exe
"I'm still me. You rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh."
When he said he was a VI.. I almost saw a crack in the armor. And it hurt
Tali has the best responses to this. Best girl in the galaxy
Shepard is clinically brain dead? Shepard was dead! A hunk of meat with no life! Or was Shepard not actually dead? This is a bit confusing.
He was only mostly dead!
TGGeko What does that mean!?
Paige Parrish brain dead means in a coma right?
Reaper tech transcends death
+Rui Rui Brain death is not a coma. In coma brain activity is significantly lower, however it is not zero. You still breathe in coma or in vegetative state, but when you are brain dead there is literally zero activity in your brain. So without ventilation and life support that does stuff for you your body would quickly die. So Shepard was in fact dead, they just use the term "brain death" to highlight the fact that there was no activity in the brain. He was as dead as you can be.
1:48 Oh Javik - such the troll that you are :D.
I don't think outgrowing your mistake is hypocrisy. Or did you want ash to continue accusing Sheppard?
Javik just made the most obvious mass effect comment of all time.
Pretty high. When it's low, you get some hints of scars and a small, red glint in the eyes. Then, it progresses into the badassery that Renegade is.
If you dont mind me asking what is this threshold you speak of?
Or are there more than one
Javik will always keep it real with you
Never saw Cerberus for what it was or distract Shepard with friendly faces
people who played and remember ME1 - Yeah, Cerberus is evil and I don't trust them. Glad they brought me back to life and reunited me with my friends and my love Tali, but...
Shepard: Tali, where is that bomb?
Tali: Right here. (gives Shepard bomb to blow up Cerberus)
No they did not bring (Either Gender) Shepard back to life. LIES! Shepard DID NOT DIE, Shepard Survived, the Commander Most likely fixed the Suit's Oxygen tanks OFF SCREEN, When entering the Atmosphere getting some Heat Radiation The Kinetic Barrier shields would have protected the Commander and it did, but by the time the Kinetic Barrier shied went down the commander might have gotten a little fire, but not Totally, and Would Have Put out the fire by either landing on the water or landing on the snow. Even if there was no water on that planet, the commander still landed on the snow which made a soft landing, like landing on a pillow, and you're probably thinking no one has ever survived High Falls, But that's where each of you are Wrong, there was a Woman that survived 33,333 feet in the air with no Parachute, So Shepard could have Survived by landing on feet, put out any remaing fire on the snow, and Ended up with broken mangled arms , You broken legs and a broken neck, he was comatosed until shadow broker's minion's picked up the Commander, put the Commander in a Stasis Pod with Life Support, then Cerberus with little help from Mass Effect 2 Traitor Bitch Liara took back the Stasis Pod, She let them take Shepard even though they knew they use the Commander for their Purposes, Miranda said She wanted to Put a Control chip in the Commander to make the Commander a slave, But the Illusive Man ordered her NOT to, They hooked Up Shepard to their Life Support machine spent 2 Years to Rebuilt the Broken Bones, Mangled Skin, and fix some Damaged Organs, so Technically Shepard was Still Alive, Just Barely Alive needed to fix The Brain as well, But still Alive nonetheless,
Javik does not care:"You are fighting and other matters put in... bla-bla-bla)
Ashley: you did what you have to to stop collectors
Also Ashley: youre with cerberus i dont trust you.
Sigh, still wife anyways.
Well, dhe changed her mind. That happens.
Did anyone else get a little annoyed when some of them said "You're real enough for me"?
I mean good for you; were you a bloody pile of space mush?
thanks for nice vid
if there were subtitles, it might be better
Either Gender Shepard Never died, after the Explosion from the Mark 1 prototype Normandy, Shepard crashed landed on Alchera the barren frozen wasteland planet. After the ship exploded, the Commander fixed the Oxygen tanks off screen, True Shepard might have caught a little fire in the atmosphere or exosphere, but the kinetic barrier shield protected the Commander from getting completely burned, by the time the shields went down, the Commander was already out of the blazing Atmosphere or Exosphere, (Not all planets have Atmospheres, Planet Mercury does not have a Atmosphere instead has a exopshere, getting little closer to the surface, the Commander would have either landed on Water Rivers, Ponds, or Lakes, go through a cloud, or barely slow down crash landing on feet, so land on the Snowy ground surface of the planet that made a soft landing, to soften the landing. But even if there were no Water on the Surface, the Commander still had other ways to extinguish fire, most likely one is passing through a cloud since every clouds are made of Water Vapour. Either way Shepard managed to get the fire destroyed, either in the snow or water vapour, slowed down the free fall by using Biotics, but another Ship Parr explosion happened sending Shrapnel through the armor, slightly damaging Oxygen tanks again, managed to slow down barely then crash landed on feet but lost control due to Shrapnel, was badly Brutalized with broken Arms, Broken legs, one broken Neck bone, few facial scars. Some damaged Breathing Organs, Shepard had a Oxygen tank to stay alive, but wasn't gonna last all day, was slowly leaking then was comatosed.
But the Commander's suit transponder was still emiting the emergency distress beacon, by the time the Collectors left to go to hiding for now, they issued a Bounty find the Commander Dead or Alive, brought back to them, then the Shadow Broker henchman S.B for short went to the last known location, found the Beacon on Alchera. Found Shepard's barely alive Comatose Brutalized body, the Oxygen tank held up long enough for Shepard to be found by S.B henchman, they were almost emptied, they Saved Shepard. They hooked up the Commander to their Life Support Stasis pod. The S.B. made Sure Shepard is still alive. Gave Shepard a Neck brace they put the body in a box with life support to make sure the Commander breathes.
Eventually Jacob still an Alliance soldier before joining Cerberus, Liara, Miranda Feron Former S.B. Employee got the body back from those IDIOTS. But Feron was captured in the process, what Feron did barely redeems what he's done as a S.B. Employee. Miranda lied to Liara about Shepard dying, showed a Fake Body, told her they they can rebuild the damaged body, she knew they would use Shepard for their Racist alien Purpose. Yet she gave the body to them she pratically betrayed Shepard doing that, FREAKING BLUE IDIOT STUPID TWAT🟦.
Also at Ilum When Shepard said You did this to me. Then she says And if I didn't you would be dead. It was them or the Collectors. Indicating Miranda threatened her if she didn't give Shepard to Cerberus she would kill Liara take Shepard to the Collectors Indicating how little respect she had for Shepard. I understand Liara was in a No win situation but not angry at her because of that. Only angry at her for telling The Alliance along with telling Shepard about this at the Wrong late time. She's also not much help as a Stupid Information broker during Mass Effect Two, for these three crimes, she is on House Arrest, she is Suspended from the Normandy for unnecessary force ABSOLUTELY UNNECESSARY FORCE. For those that value Shepard's great reputation also don't want to waste time nor resources, don't bother helping Liara on hacking stupid terminals, don't help her on the S.B Vendetta mission she can do it by herself with her own team of Mercenaries. She us still worth Romancing but not worth helping. She will redeem herself by getting the S.B Killed, plus saving Feron, but if she can't save Feron, only Kills the S.B. but Feron dies, then so be it, she probably deserves it too.
If Shepard was a VI, we‘d know
Or would we?!
@@talos2384yes we would
Asari sex is a mind connection so he cant be an AI ;)
Shepard Brain isn't only organic, maybe part of his mind is organic but his memories somewhat a virtual copy, like sleeves in Altered Carbon. The real Shepard is dead, this is only another being that was created from Shepard's memories.
No Not TRUE, Real (Male) Shepard is not dead, he's right there Alive
There's no stupid Ass Virtual Intelligence Shepard Computer, only when Shepard controls the Reapers
"How did it feel"
Coyote Shepherd.
well done
Idk, was the Illusive Man really that successfully manipulative? You can play your cards pretty close to your chest as Shepard, and especially if you destroy the Collector Base, you only really did what was necessary to stop the them, and didn‘t really play into the Illusive Man‘s hands. On the contrary, he looses an expensive Ship, a crew, EDI and Miranda, all of which Shepard gets to keep.
You might say Shepard practiced some successful entryism with Cerberus, and definitely came out of it in a better position than they.
maybe not a hypocrite, just realized she was wrong.
Ashley is so hot
why i left her to die on virmire and picked kaidan :)
Javik just keeping it real
Mark Meer's "looks like" sounds like John Wayne to me.
Thank you for putting up this video :)
Er, I dunno guys.... with those glowy red eyes he looks more like the Terminator than he does a human. Or is that just me?
how high does renegade have to be to get the devil eyes
Near or fully maxed.
Looks like
Agreed.
LOOKS LIKE
very nice thanks
5:08 who says I didn‘t?
Liara knew who i am
Do romances for femshep say different lines?
I really hate what they did with Cerberus. I thought Renegade Shepard will be allowed to go on full tyrant rampage, take over organisation and become Space Stalin. With Illusive Man killed as soon as he will stop being useful.
No, she's finally seeing her assumptions of the situation were completely wrong. On Horizon she was shocked, confused, upset and felt betrayed, she wasn't her most rational or stable and lashed out. Understandable. I don't like her, a tad too bitchy in the wrong ways, but her actions make sense.
timemonkey that's because Ashley discovered the Illusive Man was manipulating us the whole time in ME2.
The way I see it: you ALL owe Kaidan and Ashley an apology.
@@tjk117 she didnt believe shepards words until she read the reports about shepard and cerberus was done.
She, and Kaiden both Realize their Assumptions on commander Shepard working with Cerberus were TOTALLY WRONG. For that, they apologive to the Commander
@@gabrielivan2538 Kaidan, There's no 'e' in his name. And Kaidan's assumptions were mostly correct actually.
Until she gets to Mass Effect 3, where she literally never starts trusting you. Where she rejects any notion of you not being with Cerberus during the coup, even when she turns a gun on Udina. And proceeds to never question her own prejudices against anyone who is former Cerberus, or alien.
Still like cerberus (rather than alliance).
i can't believe i'm saying this...but i have to agree with you. but what i really hate is the Council...seriously...how did these morons get into power?
Like all politicians do. Use connections, tell the voters what they want to hear, and most importantly: lie, lie, lie.
amitakartok yes because that's worked for them really well hasn't it? a Batarian spy ring almost killing them, Geth attack led by a Reaper and Cerberus almost putting a bullet in their brains.
And Renegade Shepard killing them off.
I'm a spectre guy
what was it like?
Which mission was this
Ashley: I thought you were unconscious
You spent Horizon and the first act of ME3 convinced Shepard was a clone or cerberus agent. He was obviously more than unconscious Ashley. The Same can be said for Kaiden and the Coma comment, but at least a Coma(especially 2 years of Coma) is a little more serious and might actually require medical intervention.
Lazy writting at it's best if you ask me...
Me: What's that Tali I cant hear your cold corpse. he he
: )
Looks like.