Science Vs. Religion "Where do morals come from" || Aron Ra
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Aron Ra & MythVision Podcast talk about the bible & science. Are our morals based off God?
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Ya’ll are like therapy for me. Thank you.
Thank you Aron!! Circumcision without consent is evil.
im glad i got mine as a baby
I wish I’d never had it done!
Damaged and scared me for life!
@@Xarai I'm glad i still have mine intact.
@@Xaraijust because it was forced on you doesn't mean it should be forced on everyone.
@@apokalypthoapokalypsys9573 you know its a lot worse as an adult right? and babies have no memory of it either
Wonderful Aron...Your honesty is always refreshing..
ayo we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested
@@spider-man9118Like evidence for people walking on water and coming back from the dead? Bread being multiplied? Evidence for people living till 900 years old? Evidence for 2 pairs of each animal fitting on a boat made by an old guy and repopulating the entire planet, to as far away as Canada or New Zealand, while not tearing each other apart in a the first few hours? You'd have better luck gambling on the existence of cheddar goblins.
No Christian apologist would take on AronRa ... they would not survive against that mind.
I did and he ran away with a bad 'refutation'.
@@martylawrence5532 Sure you did. Tell us, what other things have you imagined that never happened?
They do and have.
@@Rastilin13 you’re right they do survive. I’ve watched Matt Dillahunty completely own practically all of them he’s went up against and they just kept coming and coming and coming. So yeah, you’re correct. They aren’t in any way stymied by multiple defeats
@@SPL0869 Exactly
At Lascaux in France, is probably the most famous of the caves with beautiful paintings of wildlife on the walls inside. What's not often talked about is just how many similar caves with neolithic paintings inside them can only be accessed using diving gear. There are many of these caves, predating modern humans, that were flooded at the end of the last ice age.
Aron's dogs listen better than any one he has ever debated.
You're a wonderful person Derek. I love to accompany your journey by listening to your vids. Thanks for sharing!
You both are amazing! It's such an honor and joy to be listening to you.
This was absolutely superb, Gentlemen. A wonderful conversation with outstanding interaction. Two of my faves working together.
My reading of the Bible was always that there’s no forgiveness without repentance by the party that committed the sin.
Aron Ra is legendary. But ya religion takes credit for others people's work. Back in the day taking credit for laws going back to Hannurabi at least. More recently taking credit for civil rights. 30 years from now will take credit for gay marriage. It's the same way religion waits for science to make discovery and take credit for that too.
NICK Muslims doing it quit a time now, they saying scientists are first reading the Koran then making the infentions😂
You should take your idol off the pedestal and watch videos refuting his claims. Especially the one where he espouses a definition of faith that doesn’t exist anywhere except in the atheist dictionary.
Hammurabi wasn't an atheist. Wanna try again?
@@Tartersauce101 he wasn't a god either. And nor were the people who fought for that early legislation and every advancement since.
@@youtubezcy Didn't say they were gods.
They were religious.
The reference to "C*nt" Hovind was so funny. I loved the debate where Hovind would not refer to Aron by that name so Aron referred to him throughout by his convict number.
Keep these coming guys.
The rules on whether scripture is literal or metaphorical are simple. If I can defend it, it is literal. If it is nonsensical and indefensible it is metaphorical.
The “end times” have lasted 2000 years. What’s to say they won’t last another 1000?
And what counts as signs of the end times also preceded the prophecy, but of course believers don't realise that
@@sladechimera2837 for the sake of argument what are the preceded prophecies?
@@bobbyallen7977 things like "wars and rumours of wars" stuff our ancestors have always experienced. Also the stuff in the bible that some Christians today believe were end time prophecies were actually political commentary of the times it was written in like the book of revelation for example
@@sladechimera2837 I won't disagree with you on this because we already know that the followers of the Way were being tortured and executed as they still are today and those are His Saints! They will be the ones throwing their crowns to the Throne of Yeshu!.
@@bobbyallen7977 there wasn't much torture or killing happening to Christians in history or today, certainly not nearly as much as they inflicted to propagate their religion everywhere they conquered
The debate Godless Engineer had with Kent Hovind was one of the saddest things I've ever seen. John seems like a decent guy, and he makes some good content from what I've seen, but debate is not one of his strengths. It was painful to watch that con-man Hovind walk all over him. It's a shame to lose a debate when all the facts are on your side, especially to a snake-oil salesman who hasn't come up with any new material in 20 years.
The one to check out is Aron's debate with Kent. Aron didn't let him pull any of his shit and held his feet to the fire for actual answers. Kent was beaten so bad he decided he wouldn't debate him in person again even after saying he would at the end of the debate. After that they agreed to a back and forth video debate, and that was absolute gold. I highly recommend checking out at least Aron's reply videos as he replays Kent's comments anyway. Godless Engineer should have taken notes.
Gravity Waves Bill Ludlow’s debate with Kenty was also good
I loved his morality section.
appreciate your enthusiasm and your candid discussion of your personal personality. aron ra totally rocks!
The Adam & Eve story is really the story of the creation of the Jewish people.
This explains why other people just show up later in the story with no explanation of where they came from.
Christians later, altered & adopted it's interpretation, to become the story of "humanities" creation.
None of the stories in the OT were meant to be taken literally. It's stupid to interpret them as anything but allegorical. Many stories are blatant plagiarisms. And in the NT Jesus is an obvious plagiarism of Horus.
@@69eddieD Yeah, obviously I know that they are not real.
But hundreds of millions of people believe this shit.
Therefore the more people that logically push back on this the better.
*Curious;*
Show me where & how you surveyed the writers of the OT. to come to this absolute certainty about them knowing that the stories were not actually true.
And _the fact that you are convinced,_ of the NT's plagiarism, is irrelevant to all of the devout believers that accept it.
There is no single Christian view to attack, _that will apply to them all,_ as they believe all kinds of contradictory stuff.
*Without some kind of logical argument to back it up, they will simply dismiss you, as you have dismissed them.*
_Sometimes you gotta make the case with more than just disbelief & incredulity._
@@moodyrick8503 I agree with you. I hate to stoop to apologetics but here it is.
(I'm guessing you're playing Devil's advocate) My position is not one of certainly but parsimony. Rabbis have always spoken in parables. OT stories like Noah's Ark are obvious plagiarisms (Gilamesh). So why after the Council of Nicea (and even more so after the Protestant Reformation) did we all of a sudden start taking these obvious allegories as literal, in the face of all logic and reason? The obvious reason is that Christianity is bogus. It is an instrument of control, and it was designed to be an instrument of control.
@@69eddieD Certainly all of the super natural claims of the bible are fantasy.
And parts may be made up from local legends or past legends & perhaps mixed in with some actual events like tsunami's and meteors and a mix of some real people and places, ect,...ect,...
I don't claim to be an expert on how the versions that we have today were stitched together.
I was just pushing back on your claim of knowing that *"none of the OT was meant to be taken literally".*
There is no way to know what they actually believed was literal truth or fable.
_No way to confirm that assumption._
And _I'm not saying that you are claiming this,_ but I don't believe that Christianity was created to gain power & control over people.
Creation myths & stories are humanities attempt to explain their world before science existed.
Some were genuinely sincere, wishful & hopeful and some delusional or desperate, and of course some were simple scoundrels.
Con men looking to victimise those that exercise _"blind faith for God",_
I do suspect there are more religious con men today on average then in the past, just because there are far more non believers than ever.
And of course the Catholic church's criminal facilitation & protection of pedophiles is an obvious example of religious hypocrisy.
_Protecting the image above all else._
Fear of change, fear of doubt, fear of God & fear of the devil is the real glue & rope that ties Christianity together.
If you made it this far "thanks for reading all my long winded, pontificating". lol
Have a great "New Year" Eddie.
@@moodyrick8503 "There is no way to know what they actually believed was literal truth or fable.
No way to confirm that assumption."
Agreed, but parsimony points towards allegory.
"And I'm not saying that you are claiming this, but I don't believe that Christianity was created to gain power & control over people." Before the Council of Nicea, people had different beliefs about Jesus. The Council of Nicea (you know the Nicean Creed right?) standardized doctrine and the early Church enforced it. That is control.
And it's not even controversial that the "King James Bible" was edited to support the power of King James.
"Con men looking to victimise those that exercise "blind faith for God"" That's all religion, but especially the Catholic Church.
"And of course the Catholic church's criminal facilitation & protection of pedophiles is an obvious example of religious hypocrisy.
Protecting the image above all else." I was raised Catholic and without a doubt it is the creepiest institution on the face of the earth. Absolutely shocking and repulsive. Plus when the priest tries to diddle you there's no one you can go to, because no one will believe you. Yes this happened to me but I knew better than to tell anyone. THAT is the mindfuck called Catholicism.
"Fear of change, fear of doubt, fear of God & fear of the devil is the real glue & rope that ties Christianity together." Absolutely.
Happy New Year
I was too young to even understand religion when I discovered that it was a deception of some kind. I could tell something wasn't kosher by the way adults talked about it. But I still didn't understand what it was - only that everyone was lying to me, and they were all in on it together. I neither believed in god nor disbelieved, nor even thought about the question at that age.
I remember losing trust in my parents and other adults because of that. All I knew was that they were all lying to me. If I had a shrink, I'm pretty sure we'd spend the first 20 sessions on that.
Religion's bad, mkay? Stop scaring children. Stop lying to people.
Bo Zo
I’m sorry for your experience. It really breaks my heart that you didn’t have walking Christians around you to show you why we believe and why we follow Christ.
The questions you must ask are:
1.) Are the claims Jesus made about himself true?
2.) Is God real?
3.) What is the meaning of life?
Christianity is unique in that we are not ‘forced’ to do good to be saved for our sins. As it says in Ephesians:
“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.”
Ephesians 2:8-10 NIV
www.bible.com/111/eph.2.8-10.niv
Walking Christians try to be more like Jesus as a way to say ‘thank you’, to give as he gave, to love as he loved, because he paid the debt of our sins by taking the punishment onto himself.
It’s a blessed thing too, for if the truth was like other religions and works-based, then no-one would be good enough to achieve salvation themselves. It’s a blessed thing that we are given it freely. We need only to let Jesus stand and testify for us...and believe that he has taken our sin from us.
I’m sorry you had such bad experiences growing up with those who professed Christianity. Love, prayer, and hope to you
@@ngif1736 No, they were nice people and "good Christians." The problem was it isn't true, and on some level you know it too, and that leads to pretzel logic and deception, and I could feel it when I was too young to spell the words.
Bo Zo
I’m glad they were nice people, but I say earnestly to you that it IS true, brother.
I have come to know God myself and believe in his real-ness more than anything.
Through his grace I was saved. A sinner like me who did not deserve it. I couldn’t possibly tell you all he has done for me.
But I promise you, it is not a lie. God is real and he wants to know you too. He wants a personal relationship with you.
“When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.””
John 8:12 NIV
I know you may not listen much to me, a random person on TH-cam, and that’s ok for I am just passing the message, but I urge you. If ever you question yourself, if ever you’re not sure that this material world is all there is, if you feel that yearning that there has to be more, take that moment to humble yourself and ask God into your life. Ask Jesus to take your sins upon himself and make you free. He will change your life in ways you couldn’t imagine.
(May be slowly, May be all at once. But if you seek him earnestly, you will find him).
No works required, no nothing. Just by believing in Jesus Christ you will be saved forever.
“Then you will call on me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.”
Jeremiah 29:12-13 NIV
www.bible.com/111/jer.29.12-13.niv
Thank you SO much for dialoguing with me. I pray for you wonderful things.
@@ngif1736 No
@@mysthra9406 no?
You were a contractor in the ME and afghan. No way man I did 25 years of the same. Worked with some great kids in Kabul. Terrifying what religious fundamentalists will do when they are in charge.
When were you there in Kabul?
Killin' it Derek! Great guests and interesting topics. My new fav channel!
I have an aunt and uncle who used to have the following policy on TV: you can watch at most only one hour per day (longer if it's a movie); unsurprisingly, my cousins did just that. Then, their parents changed the policy (you can watch as much or little as you like; just make sure that you get all your homework and chores done); as a result, my cousins actually watched LESS TV than before.
I will say Mr.. Aron thoughts are absoluterlly true, we've seen the religous people behave like this (pretty bad) in all societes and countries. No need to walk into any religous school or university to verify what he express. Thanks so much for sharing.
I only bred one other human. It makes me feel good that I am not contributing to population growth. And the human I bred doesn't even want kids. She would prefer to just have a cat.
Every time he yelled "Shut up!!!" at his dogs it cracked me up lol! I have 3 inside and I feel your pain. 😝
3 mins in n IM HOOKED thanks Derek :D
Excellent episode, Derek and Aron. Thanks!!
I love listening to Aron Ra.
If you need a god to get you through life it is a sign of weakness.religous people need to learn to trust themselves and stand on their own two feetand know they can survive without a deity.It is people that help each other no god ever helped anyone.
I agree 100 percent , there's no God helping anyone with Covid , or helping Ukraine, no God curing cancer . And that's the worst . When I see little children at the Shriners hospital suffering with cancer . They never sinned to deserve that . It makes me sick that they pray at car races , baseball ,games all sports . It's just sick there's no God . At least not a good one anyway
Love listening to Aron Ra. Thanks for having him on Derek.
Thank you so much for asking Aron about YDB! I've been dying to hear his take.
I really loved watching this episode!
To me, morals actually come from trial and error in human life.
Great Interview Derek, Aron Ra is a perfect match for this channel.
Watched all of it, great discussion
I had a friend who lived in Dubai, and he said they had a deragatory phrase towards the " servants" who were all foreigners. I couldn't even visit the concept was so gross
Great show!
Imagine if our court systems went off faith and not evidence!!??..
What a mess this would be!!!
cool to be first to say u LEGEND Derek hehehe ARRRON RAAAAAAAAAA, I knew an Amun Ra once, sunny guy, burned bright in the mornin faded away at night tho
39:30 I always found to story of Jacob & Esau to be a bit incredulous. Can one really believe that Isaac thought Jacob was actually Esau, because he dressed in an animal skin?
*Prosperity & Christianity;*
For centuries the propaganda of Christianity was one that asserted that _success in life was proof of Gods approval._
And that if you were on the bottom of society, then you were being punished by God.
Hence the belief that highly *successful people are being guided by the hand of God.* (Ex. Trump followers)
This is cool , just finished watching a video with Jen Fishburne now this is my first time listening to Aron Ra . Keep it going Myth vision
Aron is one of the most interesting people I’ve ever heard.👍🤓
Aron is a giant truth bomb!
😅good one
Well done !!! 💥💥💥
This just in;Church's are giving mass on line for all of those shut in for this virus!So we can all be confident that they will pray the bugs away by next sunday!I pray they click on vids like this instead!🍌😉
Gary Hundsrucker “pray the bugs away by next Sunday” that would be a bumper sticker and/or a T-shirt.
@Matt Dursse I'm sure they get it all for a reasonable price too right?
❤❤❤ Aron Ra, please have him back more often ❤
Next show with Aron Ra suggestion. Trusting those that believe in God; trust regarding those that believe in God. And/or respecting others beliefs.
OR David Wilcock!
Aron - I knew Ken 'the Hamster' Ham was afraid to debate you, if I held the same beliefs as Hammy has and I had to defend them I would be afraid to debate you as well.
In the world of cartooning, a common name for an abstract work of art, a painting or sculpture, is called 'Man's Inhumanity to Man'.
Epic!
I heard the Mediterranean was mostly dry and when the shoul broke at the pillars of Hercules and the Atlantic flooded that area.
Some great nuggets here. My religion is still Judaism. There's a documentary that came out in 2017 called First Man that explains how a combination of Empathy and Self Preservation led to Evolution.
You are great guys, congrats.
I love this 💛😃
When you have a great relationship with yourself and your mate, you're not jealous about being human.
This is a really good video.
13:55 what pagan poet does Paul quote?
The Hurrian Version of the Flood-Myth has the Flood reaching the stars...
Jimmy Carter was never shy about his devout Christianity.
But, while campaigning, he was interviewed by PLAYBOY.
They asked if he ever lusted in his heart. He said yes because he wouldn't tell a lie. The public admission caused a kerfuffle of controversy.
He won the election.
Another similarity between Noah and Lot is the homosexuality angle. Because there is a legend that the Noah curse came from Ham raping his old man. And then of course the whole raping angel thing with Lot.
Speculation
According to some Rabbi sages, the "uncover" of Noah was the raping of Noah's wife. Nevertheless, it was a degenerate act regardless if it was on Noah or his wife.
It would be great if you could mention the books or ancient texts that contain the myths that have parallels to things like Genesis. Where is the story of Enki? Where is the story of the daughter to heal the side? Innana’s garden?
Wow .....Beer .....thate'd be amazing , We could just start drinkin Snap !
1:08:16 the greatest form of religious extremism is being told you're part of the chosen people since birth, and then everyone outside of your group is considered chattel and slaves to do your bidding.
How much, if any, of Bruce Greyson's book "After" do you find challenging to your way of looking at everything?
@53:00 Aron Ra’s dog 😂
I do agree that Kuwaiti citizen don't work (at least most of them).. I live here and all the ones who work are foreigners like indian, philippines, Egyptian...
WOman are actually allowed to drive..... Maybe you did not see woman driving because most of those who drive are men, but women can drive. There is no law against driving car
Good show. Derrick is so optimistic - read Straw Dogs by Gray. I realized at an early age I would not want to create new people. If you think about it from a moral perspective, it becomes much more complicated. I think David Benatar does a good job laying out the antinatalist position in his book Better Never To Have Been. The argument is basically that the best way to protect people from causing and experiencing suffering is to not create them in the first place.
And that's a more GODLY position to take.
I mean what was one thing that God thought might go wrong (and why) when creating humans? What could go wrong? Well God knew! So he delighted in his work KNOWING where it might well lead. And if his flawed creation that he did not get right saw him delight in drowning them all (well almost) then his delay in bringing SALVATION also only makes sense if he delights in his DIVINE HIDDENNESS and the build up of souls to PUNCH. He AM a MADMAN!
OK you two.. I am Australian. I have always admired people who can find a bottleshop in a desert and "magically" pay for enough wine to keep the party rolling..
Doctors make it clear that you SHOULD NOT assume that a vasectomy will be reversable.
Aron Ra is bomb!!
How come nobody considers the fact that the letter j didn't enter the alphabet till the 1200s 1300s so how can he possibly exist in ancient times and come on everybody knows or should know the other theory that the picture of Jesus is a painting of Leonardo da Vinci and it gets deeper than that
If this sounds negative, it is not intended to be: Americans seem to blend religion and politics to a degree which I have not encountered in any other modern country.
IDK why, or what that predicts for future. Any thoughts?
Mr. Raw is wrong also about where the population is headed everybody out there who tracks population says most countries are going to start declining rapidly in populations within the next 10 to 20 years
Dogs whine when it's someone they're glad to see.
I live with my parents right now; i live off of 280 dollars a month(minus a trucking school fifty dollars for the rest of my life, unless I start making money). I support a Russian blues/rock singer girl;, and there's a few more starving artists like that I'd like to support. When I start making money, you'll know it.
I hope things have gotten better for you and your parents, I almost started to cry when I read your story . I hope something has helped by now . It sucks that I just saw this now, it's been 2 years since you wrote it . Somethings gotta give for you . Just saying.
I wouldn't want to debate a Motorhead fan either. Looks can be deceiving.
Interesting convo, so disappointed that the discussion decayed into a political discussion, 1/2 way into the vid. Lost me at that point. I'm not a registered Democrat, Independent or Republican. I despise the Republican & Democrat (UNI-Party) completely!
What is the driving force behind moral? Fear of death? Is that not the same thing? Everyone that I know has a different opinion on what is moral. usually it comes down to "Do no harm" but some thing that having sex with dead people is doing no harm. Who decides who's morality we follow for the "good of society" ?
"TRUTH."
If people imagine morals come from the bible, they haven't read the bible.
If they are good because of Christianity's childish 'carrot or stick', well they lack a moral compass and are indeed childish.
Oh, even if they read it, they will twist the words to mean whatever they want them to mean. You can't argue with a wall, even if it's made out of flesh, bones, and muscles.
sorry derek its pronounced..... pay-tree-on. just figgered id help u out. lol. jk. love the channel. keep it up. love dr bob too. keep him comin. lol
Dammit! I always slip up somehow!
@@MythVisionPodcast hey Derek, unlike the Christians at least you admit when you're wrong! 🤘
Loved this so much. AronRa is one of my faves.
It was pronounced Pay Tron in the original copies of the Septoolajint
And it's spelt Figured not Figgered....I hope...lol
@@MythVisionPodcast Pop in Challenging Atheists On Evolution at The Muslim Lantern channel
Oh slavery still exists today ! The "modern" slave has to fend for him/herself, where it comes to food, education, housing etc. It's called wage slavery.
Oh no. Slavery today is not wage slavery. It is forced work. It is prevalent in cities where people are smuggled in usually but not always from other countries. These people work for good and board to keep them alive. Not to keep them happy. They are in nail bars, cannabis farms, regular farms and domestic service (Most often. And of course not all these types of places) In some areas of the world slaves are worked to death. Slave labour built some of the finest cities in he Middle East. These people do not earn a wage. Or money of any sort. Sex slavs are often controlled by drugs and die under the influence.
@@toforgetisagem8145 I think you actually made my point ! The modern slave isn't actually whipped into submission, just forced by economic conditions to work for someone else.
@@tonydarcy1606 that is not all what modern slavery us. Modern slavery is absolutely not about wage slavery . Modern slaves are in most part worse off than many earlier slaves in that they are hidden from view.. many are not enslaved because of their poverty. They maybe sold by their families or given to pay debt in the family or tricked by fake contracts. They are beaten. Domestic slaves are frequently beaten. These are not low paid workers. There are even slave markets in parts of North Africa. There have been cases of slavery in Britain. There are car washes exploiting refugees. These workers are not paid. They get at best a bed in an over crowed unsafe slum and enough food to keep the alive to work. They don't even get adequate clothing. There are people licked into houses to grow cannabis they are only discovered if the police said the place. Most are terrified. And yes they do get beaten. Slavery in the true sense of the word is very much alive even in supposed reputable parts of the world.
@@toforgetisagem8145 Dude he is not denying that no oldschool slavery practices are happening out of sight- he is simply pointing out a newer and universal kind of slavery under Global Capitalism, referred to "wage slavery."
@@Tartersauce101 either way you state it one becomes a slave to survival
"PLEASE CONSIDER READING THE CHRIST-EDGE."(5)(MASTER ROOK)(THE PUZZLE OF GOD)
Bigfoot appears in the Epic of Gilgamesh. His name is Humbaba
9:00 "If you're a selfish bastard'
- you can become President of the USA (2016)
Fixed that for you.
Science wins all ways
47:03 I'm a right-wing Christian/Buddhist/Witch, a "card-carrying" Libertarian, who has a bit of a Fascist streak.
Hmm. Got me there 🤔 . . .
9:00 yes but only if you apply it to an in-group as you do here - a society that totally embraces such materialist morality will have no qualms whatsoever about any level of abuse or exploitation upon an out-group. Freeing slaves only makes sense under a Christian universal egalitarianism. It's no accident that Christians were the ones that ended that practice as old as Civilization itself.
14:00 why do you excluse structures of faith in this evolution of man? Is Christianity more evolved Judaism? Why not? Is Buddhism more evolved Hinduism? Why not? Treating religious views as somehow totally separate from other societal aspects makes your whole case fall apart.
good point at the end. those old and new testaments were not meant for us. it was meant for the people in their time. its got nothing to do with us
And thus the sf stories about the distribution of man.
A force that is not labeled a person.
Christians know very well that as a criminal who converted and believe,that criminal still has to pay for his crime
Weather jail time or other
Agnostic means don't know. We all don't know things.
I personally believe in a God. In One true God. But I believe i have a valid argument against God. How can WE as human beings be much more compassionate then God to save a little child if we had the power to, rather then watch it get burned alive while trapped in a burning house? How can I be more willing then God to cure a kid from cancer if i had that power?
The Gulf in difference may be so vast that it is akin to humanity versus an ant colony. A 5 year old child kills a few ants for fun, the child's mother scolds the child for playing in the dirt, and nobody thinks for the welfare of the ant's life. Perhaps.
News flash: Your "one true God" is a real a hole.
@@tychocollapse You know what they always say. "God works in mysterious ways." After hearing that a few hundred times as a child I wasn't too fond of "God."
Whatever the creature was, the tale teller called it a fish because it was in the sea. And there used to be huge fishes. Still are.
my guy, why are you spamming the comments section lol
Also, we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if you're interested
Pretty sure the Netherlands has among the highest population densities in the world yet I wouldn't mind living there. It's not the worst thing if you manage it right. Hell despite their population density they are the worlds 2 largest food exporter.
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May I suggest some topics that might be interesting..?
How about a strong argument for an afterlife.. ?
Or everything that exists.. particles.. waves.. even universes.. ( multiverse is logical) .. including consciousness.. is simply field activity taking place in an Infinite Field of Energy.. that I call - THE PRIMARY FIELD.. The evidence in physics is over-whelming.. when we add together everything they are saying.. FIELDS ARE THE WAY FORWARD..
Also.. I created a large document the takes a close look at what the word GOD means to different people.. it was intended to be a debating tool.. so I could quickly find the arguments that best suit my purpose.. but it also served as a good teaching aid.. Lifting quotes from many diverse sources and comparing them.. looking for patterns..
I made the discovery.. that many atheists can not tell the difference between the definition of God.. and Nature..
I didn't like the dictionary definition of GOD so I created my own.. it's rather long.. but I love detail... This definition was inspired by Richard Feyman quotes.. of how wonderful nature was.. and he sounded like he was taking about GOD.. I found that interesting..
This is what emerged.. God.. (or NATURE).. is the Sum of ALL Natural Processes - The Ground of ALL Being - Omnipresence, the Supreme.. or Ultimate.. Reality. The Creative and Controlling Force in the Universe - The Life Force - The Force regarded as causing and regulating the Phenomena of the World by the Universal Natural Laws - God is both Outside.. and Inside.. Space-Time. Not subject to the cycle of Birth and Death - The Ultimate, the Absolute, Infinite and Eternal….. ENERGY and FORCE…
The word - GOD or NATURE - functions as a SYMBOL.. representing.. the underlying Unity.. and.. or.. as a METAPHOR.. representing a personification of a Motivating Power.. of a Value System.. that functions in Human Life.. and in the Universe. The Force.. and Energy.. that supports the World - A personification of the Energy.. or Force.. that seems to regulate the Physical Universe - An anthropomorphic idea whose dynamism.. and symbolism.. are filtered through the medium of the psyche..
COULD ANY ONE PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THIS FORCE DOES NOT EXIST?
I did not see anything on philosophical idealism among your up-loads.. but I could be wrong.. it is an interesting topic.. that has strong support in physics.. and will soon be more widely accepted...
I am getting very old.. and my brain is crumbling into dust... so my words are rushing to get out as fast as they can.. like the crew of a sinking ship.. so my spirit lives on.. and remains in the world.. when I am gone.. in my writings..
The body may die but the mind can live on.. as long as it remains interesting.. and may even be reincarnated.. by merging with other living minds (see attached video link). Reincarnation would make an interesting topic.. Many misunderstand it.. so I created a document of Buddha's teaching to clear the matter up.. it is not what most people think it is..
Words are like genes that carry information forward in time.. so it is preserved.. the MIND of Socrates.. the MIND of CHRIST.. they live on in their words.. This is what Buddha meant..
To quote Buddha's.. thoughts on reincarnation.. and.. I think his words clarify a lot..
“There is no evidence of the existence of an immutable ego-being, of a self which remains the same and migrates from body to body. There is rebirth but no transmigration.
The ideas which I think, came to me partly from others who thought them, and partly they rise from combinations of the ideas in my mind.
Those who have used the same sense-organs, and have thought the same ideas before I was composed into this individuality of mine ARE MY PREVIOUS EXISTENCES; they are my ancestors.
"Is all teaching in vain?
Do you not understand that those others.. are you yourself ?
“The combination of thy sankharas is thy self. Wheresoever they are impressed upon.. there your self migrates.”
"The self to which you cling to is a constant change.”
"There is rebirth of character, but no transmigration of a self. Thy thought-forms reappear, but there is no ego-entity transferred. Only through ignorance and delusion do men indulge in the dream that their souls are separate and self-existent entities.”
"There is rebirth without the transmigration of a self. For this atman, this self, this ego in the 'I say' and in the 'I will' is an illusion.”
"Our thinking is gone, but our thoughts continue.
Reasoning ceases, but knowledge remains."
“It is as if the writing has been finished and the light has been put out..
But the letter is still there.”
"Verily, I say unto thee, thy mind is spiritual.”
The Acceleration of Knowledge and the Rebirth of Ideas - Roger Bacon
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My girl can knit a bad ass shirt. Does that mean she was blessed by the God of sewing? Man has believed in hundreds of "gods".
It's not about whether or not you need religion to be a good person. You don't. Atheists can be good people. In that aspect, the Secular Humanists are correct. However, when it comes self-sacrifice - like going to prison for the sake of justice, I think you do need religion for that - or at least faith in a higher power. I can run off a whole bunch of names like Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Dorothy Day, Fr. Dan Barrigan, Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, Thich Nhat Hanh....(and my list could go on) - all of whom have been to prison for justice. I can't think of one self-proclaimed athiest who has done likewise. Peace activist, Fr. Stephen Kelly has spent nearly 35 years of his life in prison fighting for justice, how many atheists can make the same claim?
I believe all human beings are primarily born as good people. People have an innate sense of morality. However, being a good person isn't good enough to fix the world, is it? if it were the world would be a wonderful peaceful place with no poverty, cruelty, and murder. We need something to push us to become better than our innate goodness which is so easily compromised and rationalized away. That is what religious/spiritual paths are for - to help us become better than who we are naturally.
Some will rightly claim that religion has also been the cause for much suffering. And that is true. However, every religion has a positive path and a negative path. The path of the fundamentalist is the negative path that leads to suffering. The path of the mystic is the positive path that leads people to become better people.
This is a correlation rather than relation. Those people care about what they fight for and happen to be religious (mainly because being religious is the norm and still the norm). The fact of the matter is human are altruistic to groups and people they care about and, honestly, anyone that finds themselves in a place where they need to defend their in group will do it. Besides you are wrong about atheists not standing for freedom. Look up Philip Randolph, who is an counterexample to your claim
@@adeyemi120 Philip Randolph, despite being called an atheist by his detractors, was a member of the African Methodist Church and was not, in fact, an atheist. Therefore, I put it to you again - name one atheist who has been to prison for justice
Fr. Stephen Kelly has sacrificed nearly 30 years of his life in prison for non-violently fighting for justice - and not for people in his "in-group" - but for strangers. How many atheists can claim the same?
@@jflaugher my point still stands as atheists are still a minority. Until recently (and I mean 80s) atheism was still seen as evil and heretical. Hell, agnostic was a term made up so people avoided being called an atheist. Literally, claiming to be an atheist is a death sentence in many many countries still. Ok, if you don’t accept Philip Randolph, then look up Madalyn Murray O'Hair
You also have to realize that as a whole, religion is actively harming people and used to harm people. Your claim is also like saying that religion is needed to actively be evil in this world as Genghis Khan, hitler (not an atheist despite what Christians say), and saddam Hussain are some of the most evil in the world and they were religious. However, this is a correlation and actively not true. Religion isn’t needed to be altruistic, you just have to care a lot about a cause.