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Re Gospel anti-semitism, there are subtle instances that might not be obvious. Jesus is seen apparently at odds with the Pharisees. Yet, Jesus uses Pharisee arguments and positions against their supposed positions. In all these passages, read "Sadducee" for the written "Pharisee" and suddenly these passages make sense. Why distance Jesus from the Pharisees? Perhaps because Rabbinic Judaism is the surviving branch of Pharisaic Judaism.
@RedTiger Although I agree with Jews copying elements from older religions, I disagree with your view that is was the Christians who invented the concept of of "savior" (soter in Greek). This title was given to many gods in other much older religions and to the goddess Isis herself. Jesus was a latecomer to that title.
So u need to know a secret before you can experience Jesus healing energy. So I had a bounty on my head put on me from the devil himself. So I obtained the Elijah spirit from heaven. But I was a lost sheep. That means once I believed an then I didn't. So it didn't work for me as well. The devil sent a tin can full of fallen angels. An f in big foots I destroyed all of them. But they could turn back time then an they brought all back but couldn't bring back the big foots. An left me the same. 167 stitches broken back. Paralyze left hand an a carbon fiber right shine bone. So the devil seen I could pull energy from other energy an wanted me to heal an get stronger an then take my power. So he had me train in hell fighting I got so strong when I go to train my training partners would be hiding an wouldn't show there self they would rather hide from me knowing D was going to torture them. Anyhow I ended up after fighting through the ranks ripping the soul out the devil after he went dragon just to make it a fair fight. So now u can experience Jesus healing energy All old aches and pains will be washed away takes 30 minutes Best to relax and shut yr eyes😮
Ressurection The ressurection is one thing, but the living church in Jesus will be together change for the Rapture or taking from one place to the next So called Gnostic gospel is not found in the New Testament Apocryphal or secret gospel or some secrets book seen to be someone else notebook that wasn't meant to be any kind of gospel, but was translated to be something important to make monetary profits The New Testament is clear about Jesus and his purpose...
I read Pagels’ book on gnostic texts around the time that The DaVinci Code blew up and I was an undergrad in biblical history at a fundamentalist Christian college. Her book blew my mind and was another stop in my escape from that world and into the rich world of comparative mythology.
@@boliusabol822 Yeah it’s a pulp alternate history/conspiracy theory thriller. I don’t know why it was such a sensation but it’s popularity coincided with my time at a fundamentalist Bible college, and all of the professors were anxious to debunk its claims. It sparked my interest in alternate Christian/Gnostic texts and actual scholarship in those areas, not just the evangelical song and dance.
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Dr. Pagels is one of my favorite scholars. I love her works. I read her "The Gnostic Gospels" when I was at an important crossroads in my late 20's. All I have to say, it helped me.
When I was young, 8 decades ago, I was a devout christian, family went to church every Sunday. On the occasional winter day when it snowed, I would organize a church service for my younger brother and sister. I read the Bible cover-cover with a flashlight, under my covers to allow me to read, whereas my parents demanded I turn off the lights and sleep. As an adolescent, I began to meditate while driving tractor, or stop for a while to wander down to the creek and lie in the tall grass and drift with the clouds. As a young adult I attended a Christian college where some doubt was cast about Jesus that created a desire to know the original teachings of Jesus. One day while I was writing an assignment on the blackboard for my students, poetry began to flow as I wrote. My students asked if they were supposed to copy the poem. I told them they could if they wished, but I was going to. That happened again and again. Half a century later I discovered in writing a memoir, my poetry was a Gnostic Christianity that echoed early Christian writers of the 1st & 2nd century. They seemed to be similar to the original teachings of Jesus--an answer to my prayer
The Origin of Satan was one of the best text books from all my religious studies classes. We had a “biography of Satan” class. Big fan. Thank you Dr. Pagels.
Yes! It's one of the best things about the internet. I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on trainings over my many decades; and it is such a gift to be able to see my favorite teachers any time I want, without having to spend all that money and travel......although it's always more fun to 'be there' in person, it's fabulous that alll this great information can now get out to millions of more people than ever before, hopefully, acccelerating our evolution out of ego!
@@Fuzzywuzzywasawoman She has a education that not just anyone can casually achieve. She is the Harrington Spear Paine Professor at Princeton University and an Aspen Institute Trustee. What year were you born? Because I believe she's been writing about the subject since 1979. I literally remember fur carpet rugs and curtain beads back then while my dad smoked in the house playing poker with my grandpa. My sister was preoccupied with her boyfriend who was a member of the Hell's Angels who my parents invited for dinner which was probably uncomfortable. Completely different world back then. I was like 3yrs old blowing fart bubbles in the bathroom playing with my toys while Elaine Pagels was kicking ass in academia. I'd say she's an expert. lol
I grew up in a Roman Catholic family with Jewish friends, Mormon and charismatic Christian business associates, and I went to a Methodist high school that accepted students of all faiths, provided we agreed to attend weekly chapel services and take at least one religion class per semester. I've concluded that God (however you choose to call that entity) is less concerned with our nomenclature than with the fact that we understand what we're doing and how we're doing it. The details honestly seem to vary from one person to the next, as is appropriate since each person is unique. You have oodles of information and a stellar presentation-- thank you!
As LDS, we talk about the unrighteous seed of Cain, which we turned into being the negros. We've never apologized for this. Blamed it on God, and that it wasn't until 1978 that God was ok with them holding the priesthood and make it to heaven. Sad
I read this book over 18 years ago, and I have to say it was one of the things that pulled the threads of my faith. I'm so glad to have read it. Elaine Pagels is a BOSS!
@@aristotlesfourcauses6323 Well, like I said, it was ONE of the things that pulled the threads. Y'know what the the big one was; the Bible itself. I was fervently studying specifically in order to "write the word of the Lord on my heart" so I could be a knowledgeable soul-winner for Christ. But I'm sure you know something more than I do about the level of faith and commitment I might have had 20 years ago.
@@DJ5780 it's been so long, I don't even know where to begin. Historical inconsistencies, archeological inconsistencies, moral inconsistencies, internal literary inconsistencies all piled up to the point I had to ask myself just how much longer I could continue to play fast and loose with word "perfect" and still remain intellectually honest.
@@DJ5780 I don't know what to say. Losing my faith was emotionally excruciating and I don't wish that on anyone. I'm glad to be where I am today, but I wish there had been a different way to get there.
FOUND OUT THIS CHANEL YESTERDAY! SO EXITED AND HAPPY! I WAS IN SCIENTOLOGY CULT FOR 5 YEARS IN Kazakhstan 🇰🇿, was in Islamic cult, was in sufizm cult. These videos helps me to make sure myself that I made a right decision by leaving all kinds of religion. Thanks for your channel 👍
You likely endured a lot of unhealthy trauma, and brainwashing. I hope you get some counselling or therapy from a professional. Congratulations on your courage and strength to leave religion
I read Dr. Pagel’s book “Why Religion” and it truly is beautiful. Dr. Pagels has been through so much and yet continues her extremely important work and is so generous with her time. Her book meant so much to me and opened up possibilities that I did not know existed. Thanks for her volunteering her time and for you, Derrick, for making it happen!
This is absolutely one of the most epic interviews I’ve ever watched being a Christian for 40+ years. Please do another as your styles fit each other wonderfully and great insights abound. Thank you both! 🙏🏼
It sounds like she went through a naughty hippy chick phase. Maximum respect 🙏 She comes across as a lovely intelligent lady. I'm looking forward to reading her books especially about the Gnostics and origins of Satan.
By far the best insight and explanation of the mystical theosophy of the spiritual path Jesus taught. This insight is to be experienced rather than learned, the experience validates the teacher rather than the teacher validating the experience. Thank you Elaine Pagels, great interview Derek.
Derek, take pride in all you've accomplished. I didn't care about any of this, back in the day, now your videos are my favorite things to look forward to. U bet I am not the only 1 who can say this. You have helped people know new things. What could be better?
And here the big joke running around the quadrant is that the advanced apes in the Terran System believe that God created them in his own image. That's what the advanced ungulates of Gliesse 22B believe.
God didn’t lie. Something died in me when I learned the truth. My trust in humanity, my government, my family, my coworkers died. The childlike mind died but my childlike spirit stayed with me (Thank God). It has taken me damn near 10 years to rise from all the confusion. Love your show! Stay passionate.
@@vegeta8169 I would have to write a book to answer your two word question. That's why we are urgently advised to seek it out for ourselves. Best wishes to you.
Satan was originally a guardian cherub in the garden of Eden who in his pride and envy of man became a deceiver and tempter of man and our accuser before the throne of the Most High. As it is written: "You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you."
Não, satanás não existe! É uma invenção da religião. A bíblia hebraica não menciona esse ser angelico, antes do exílio babilônico, em lugar nenhum, isso é criação do pós exílio babilônico, depois que os judeus beberam da religião Persa, aí, surgiu "satã " como um ser espiritual.
I was going to multitask, and listen to this in the background. I got nothing done. This took my full attention. And I’ve heard Dr. Pagels give numerous talks. This was the most enlightening to me.
I seriously just put MythVision up on my TH-cam Chromecast and que up your videos, and watch as much as I can. Derek you've done an awesome job on your channel. I consider you one of the hardest working people in this area of questioning religion, and bringing the experts to the masses.
Dr. Pagels is such a fantastic, brilliant scholar. How do you get all these amazing guests, you need like a million more subscribers, your content is so rich and thought-provoking!
As an American African, I really enjoyed this question-and-answering period with renowned scholar Elaine Pagel. Strange that I used to work in a library and I would see her books. But never had the heart to read them. Then I retired and a friend showed me a wall full of books and there was Elaine Pagel's book: Beyond Belief. I just started reading it and I must say it has a lot of answers to questions I held onto for years. I must say thank you, Derek. I listen to many of your TH-cam interviews, especially Bart Ehrman and James Tabor. Wonderful interview.
What does your ethnic background have to do with anything you said? Why did you need to mention that you're Black? If you left that out, would it change any of the rest of your comment? Then why mention it? Maybe I should begin my comments with, "As an Anglo-Nordic descendent of settlers who came to the New World 400 years ago..." and then follow that with stuff that has nothing to do with my ethnicity. That wouldn't be obnoxious or anything, would it? That wouldn't cause people to think I was obsessed with ethnicity, right?
@@OJ_Pimpson Not an ounce of anger then or now. Was not and am not angry at him, just perplexed by what I think is an unnecessary and maybe a bit of a "race card' comment. It's unfortunate that written words can't convey tone. But if you think questioning him over it was uncalled for, imagine the exact same comment but starting with, "As a White American...".
Absolutely mesmerizing woman! This goes down as one of my fave interviews. So knowledgeable, personable and speaks in plain language - you HAVE to interview her again! I saw she wrote about the Apocalypse. Would love to hear her on that topic. Thanks, Derek!
You must don't know what mesmerize means. Hypnotized, being under a spell. Truly she is mesmerizing. With her deep head knowledge, The Bible is a spiritual book, she said Jesus is the serpent in the garden. Wow!!
@@IndecentAngels My pleasure... I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. I must say that, for a 'believer', Elaine Pagels is as near to an 'agostic' or even an 'atheist' as it is possible to get! (One suspects that she is really just a 'cultural Christian' in the same sense that Richard Dawkins admitted to being a 'cultural Christian'! And, I suppose that I must also admit to being a similar, agnostic, atheistic, 'cultural Christian'!)
In the book On the Origins of the World, the serpent is Eve and Eve is the Spirit of Life itself and not just a scorned woman. Infact, she brought Life and the Truth to Adam, whom the rulers (Yaldaboath) tried to deceive because they were terrified of Adam realizing he is divine, and they were jealous of Eve's powerful divine spirit. If you are surprised by the idea that Jesus was the serpent, you must not be very educated. He is thought to be Lucifer as well.
An interesting exploration of Christianity and helps understanding of religion without demanding literal belief and deepens my own understanding of Jewish and Buddhist teachings. Thank you. I will have to start getting her books.
Absolutely brilliant!! I feel so sorry for her. She lost a child. I feel so sorry that people would call her Elaine Pagan!! Absolutely love her!!! Thanks for all you do!!!
Loved this interview, very powerful. People searching like myself get stuck in cults and when we leave are lost not realising that we all have this information in us all as we are all are connected and God. Now with the internet you find gems of information like this that unlocks your conciseness. It’s a brave and courageous thing to search for and accept truth. I know now why I went into the cult I and my children were protected while learning. Now I’m free Thankyou for such a GREAT intiview🙏🏼🌞💙✨🌻
Literally listening to Dr. Pagels' new book "Why Religion" on Audible. Only 3 chapters in and I am convinced that this is the BEST book she has ever written!!! PLEASE get her book if you're reading this!
All of you guys are a bunch of blind followers not a single one following his own mind. Why should you buy someones idea and just run with it? The same intelligence you have she has it too..for some reason you decide to drop yours and embrace hers. This is amazing
@@jared2244 She's like any scholar, whose time has been invested in painstakingly analyzing tedious ancient material to arrive at an overview she can share with others. that's what scholars are FOR.
I find this interview to be the most inspiring of all of your videos that I have watched up to this point; what makes it inspiring is that Prof. Pagels is passionate about the teachings of esoteric wisdom that have no name, no source, no beginning, and no end.
"Following an ion trail of polyester fibers will invariably cause glass ceilings to cancel the systemic apologism of pulse-wave dimensional injectors choosing penguins over wave travelling quantum fissures in the spacetime continuum. Underlying deodorants will verify electroplasma photon locks that reject yoga goal posts oppressing student loans for air conditioning school." ---Albert Einstein
Just discovered this channel and of course I have to binge watch everything and then I must read professor Elaine pagel work this is why I love youtube, because of channels like this and facinating guests
This was pretty eye opening. I'll be blatantly honest. Before I started digging into religion, I took a lot of LSD. It showed me a lot of this stuff. I went through the phase of "are we god" for about a month, then after a significant trip I realized this is our capability of what we could become. The light, the dark, it's all part of us. The path to know god is the path to know one's self. I need to read her books, never heard of her so could be a rehashing of thoughts I've had for years. Great interview mate. (Omg so I was looking through her books and someone handed me her Gnostic Gospels book in 2004 because of the things I had said to her in a Convo. Guess I had heard of her.☺️)
Thank you for this interview! I am today years old when I first heard of Elaine Pagles and I now want to read all of her books ASAP. I identify strongly with her story of personal religious experiences throughout adolescence. My household was perhaps less religious in some ways and the "nondenominational" homechurch based - Christian cult I encountered as a teen may have been somewhat different than her experience, but my reason for leaving that "church" is very similar to Elaines reasoning. I genuinely have the same interest in the subject as she did when she chose to go to college for it. TMI: I'm at a bit of a crossroads in my life and I'm now starting to think I need to write down "non-seminary" school as a possible path to take
Omg. Thank you so much for this interview. I’ve never heard of Elaine Pagels before this. I must have been living under a rock. She seems to be so prolific. I am a big fan of Bart Erhman so I’m glad to see another source of information. You are so impressive. Your questions are insightful and your enthusiasm is infectious. Thank you again!
This woman is appears to be spiritually dry without a relationship with Christ. Several people comment how after her teachings they left their faith. This is the fruit of her teaching for those people. I pray that those people and Elaine spiritual eyes and ears are opened by the Holy Spirit and they receive the revelation of who Christ is as described in the John chapter one.
Quit judging other people. John was written way latter. By who fucking knows, contradicts the other gospels and Paul's letters. We don't even know what original manuscripts said, who are you to come out and judge people spiritually?
As a gnostic, who conversated with God when I experienced gnosis, I appreciate such discussions as well. I was on my way to being lost, till God smacked me from inside my own head, saying, stop looking everywhere for me. I am right here! I never would have thought to look inside myself, if it hadn't happened directly. Now I have been closer to God and Jesus ever since. These discussions are very important to many people and the discussions must be had to find what we seek. Open your mind and other books: th-cam.com/video/v5b9WqpQ-A0/w-d-xo.html Godspeed!
@@scottgoulette8900 Honestly, looking at things in a more realistic way. Trying to understand what likely happened, and how it all fits together. Learn how the Apostles were thinking and how things morph over time.
@@spc1689 It's refreshing to see that you are open-minded, I'm a cultural catholic and for me it's plain as day how the politics of the day influenced church doctrine and practices.
I love this - Elaine Pagels is amazing in and of herself, but add the interaction and wonderful questions from Derrick? Best ever. I may be a teacher, but I will find a way to contribute to this effort.
Dr. Pagels is brilliant! I've read many of her books. They're amazing scholarship and fascinating, too. So glad to see her on TH-cam! I wonder why she hasn't come up on my feed before. She's an absolute #win!
Sat and watched this great interview this afternoon on a cold winter's afternoon. Really enjoyed hearing Professor Pagel's answers and hearing her interact with you. Although I have known of her for decades I have never read any of her books. I now plan to correct that mistake! Thank you!
I had no idea the concept of "Divide and Conquer" was so ancient! Sad thing is, it's still a powerful tool for those who wish to use it. One would think more people would have seen through this concept and denounced it after all of these centuries. Thank you Dr. Pagels and MythVision for bringing this to light!
It’s incredible interview. Thank you. As a Jew raised in Catholic country in Christianity, discovering Judaism and my family roots later in life, and going right now through a lot of spiritual stuff, I am amazed that I ended up with the same conclusions as this amazing scholar. It really reaffirms my path and gives me faith. Thank you!!
Jesus expressly said that he came to destroy the works of the devil, and at the end, destroy Satan. Satan is not a myth or a metaphor, he is a literal created being who rebelled against God, was physically kicked out of Heaven, and has waged war against God and mankind since that day.
Derek looks like a little kid listening to their favorite person telling a story. It’s so adorable. A great talk I learned so much! Thank you guys for all you do!
I actually found it quite annoying, by far his worst performance as an interviewer. I'm 20 minutes in and already am embarrassed for the lad. This adoration isn't helping his guest either. She's treating us all like children because she's not been fully tested. For example the crucifixion, like we didn't know the Romans crucified people and no mention of the argument that it was the jews that prompted the verdict.
Imo, The gospel of Thomas's message that we have a direct connection with God and God is within each an everyone of us, is a great threat to an organized church that wants to control everything. That is why it was not accepted and had to be destroyed.
I’ve never clicked so fast on a video before! Elaine Pagels has been my favorite religious author since I discovered her book, “The Gnostic Gospels” 20 years ago. Great interview so far and I’m so down to hear more from you both!💜
She's such a fascinating author. Like you, she is one of my favourite religious authors. I have read her gnostic gospels book several times over the years.
Great interview! I read her book on the Gnostic Gospels. I am a Christian and her research not only challenges me, but makes me look further into Christianity, including the Gnostic branches
There was a time where I was "just wondering" about the world, content to read about it and "learn more". Then I realized, I needed to use that time better. So I went to school to learn it more directly, get the research skills, befriend the scholars myself. It's the best decision I made for my own spiritual life. I'm not going to tell you where I am with it, nor will I tell you where to go with it. You do you, but I see you out there on that Kierkeggardian ledge. Jump.
I have a response for the interviewer, regarding his question about whether the Nephilim and/or Rephaim represent Cain's bloodline. In Genesis, the ones who bred with the daughters of men are called Beni HaElohim, or the Sons of the Elohim. The Elohim are the kind of people who created Adam, and are often referred to as "the gods" in the KJV Old Testament. Some scholars say that these "daughters of men" were of the line of Cain. Other scholars disagree, citing the fact that the term translated as "men" is adam. Thus inferring that "daughters of Adam" means actual siblings of Cain & Seth, and therefore not descendants of Cain. HOWEVER, a lot of Rabbis don't even think Cain was fathered by Adam at all, as they consider Cain's father to have been Nachash of the Elohim -- the one called "Serpent" in most English translations. So, therefore it would make sense as you say, to take "of your father the devil" to refer simply to the line of Cain, regardless of fallen angels or giants. That is, it would make sense to those who have conflated Nachash with Satan.
After reading and listening to these occasions of books and taps on God, religion, spirituality, Jesus Christ, churches. I must be honest with you people. I resorted to depend on the Holy Spirit to teach me and direct me because Holy Spirit is real and practical. I refused to be deceived. There are lots of Deception everywhere even with people you least expect. God forgive and have mercy on those who have taken it upon themselves to deceive others. Thanks for your work.
They did get off topic here. While the host is great at asking questions, it is also the host's responsibility to direct the interview to not drift away from the subject at hand.
Hi Derek. This was a very interesting and insightful discussion. Enjoyed it. I've never heard of her until now.. But I like the way Elaine Pagels speaks.
Funny how things get together. I was raised in a Christian home, my father was a sceptical theologist, a lutheran vicar, he twice did a doctorate. I became a Buddhist and suddenly after a few years of meditating and following Jewish influences, and when I read Prof. Elaine Pagels' book about the Nag Hamadi gospels, it all fell into place. I tried hard to learn her book by heart. At least I managed with the quotes about Miryam, the consort of Jesus.
So wonderful. Reminds me of reading "Liberating the Gospels" by Bishop Spong. Elaine Pagels is my new hero. I left (dis)organized religion years ago because as I said it: I read enough to read between lines or "by the spirit" instead of the "letter of the law".
The Professor failed to mention that tradition seems to be strong in the theory that Thomas was a missionary voice of the gospel in the Indus Valley. Maybe that’s why Thomas’ so called “secret teachings” seem to have a more Hindu religious emphasis. Possibly, Thomas attempted to merge a Christian gospel message with a spiritual message more traditional to the Hindi community? To me, kinda an important historical consideration. And maybe that’s why it was not included in the final canon of the NT.
How does a religious accademic teach about the devil ..when the devil does not exist and even if the devil exists i need to know why cant god who made the angel who became the devil seems to have trouble destroying the devil..
@@CarlosSanchez-dv1ew I see you fell asleep in class or just commented without watching. She explains quite clearly the answer to your question, and directly addresses the presumptions in the basis of your question. There ARE stupid questions, and they are the ones answered in the content.
@@morganseppy5180there are no stupid questions. Carlos may have not understood what was explained. It seems from your answer you assume he did. Also, putting someone else down to elevate one’s self is frowned upon. Unless you feel it necessary because nothing else gives joy.
Stunning interview. Would absolutely love to hear Dr Pagels expound more on both the Garden of Eden and the Rod of Aesclepius/Moses. Great to see this quirky channel that scratched a niche itch for me expand into some of the best scholarship available.
Wide ranging variety of scholars interviewed on MythVison. This was a really great interview thanks Derek and Elaine !!! Perhaps the first interview with coverage of the "Gnostic Gospels" from Nag Hammadi and all the other "weird" Jesus stories, other Acts of the Apostles, etc. Will be interested in any future interviews with Elaine Pagels because she has covered the ground for many decades in regard to the "Gnostics". She was a fair and independent reporter on the Gospel of Judas when it suddenly and unexpectedly appeared in 2005. The story of Satan by Elaine Pagels on MV is well worth checking.
The Bible says even if an angel of light comes preaching another gospel let him be accursed. The Mormons are a great example. Joseph Smith said an angel came and told all these things that do not go along with God's word and the gospel Jesus gave to the apostles and his disciples.
I read Pagel's text on the Gospel of Thomas some years ago. Reading the Gospel of Thomas, it was immediately obvious why it was not included in the canon of scripture. The tone, texture and message were so wildly different from the 4 gospels, there is no way it could be taken as a serious account of the life of Christ, or actually a serious account of anything. As a Christian who is fairly well acquainted with Christian doctrine, I can easily say Pagel's book on Thomas is a good resource if you're looking to walk away from Christianity, or looking to relegate the Old & New Testaments to the status of interesting and/or useful myth. To examine the other side of the argument, maybe something like Mere Christianty/CS Lewis would be a good counterbalance. Cheers!
On Palm Sunday, the Jews welcomed Jesus into Jerusalem with shouts of "Hosannah to the son of David." Then, not even a week later they are crying to Pilate, "Crucify him!" It's just not believable.
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Re Gospel anti-semitism, there are subtle instances that might not be obvious. Jesus is seen apparently at odds with the Pharisees. Yet, Jesus uses Pharisee arguments and positions against their supposed positions. In all these passages, read "Sadducee" for the written "Pharisee" and suddenly these passages make sense. Why distance Jesus from the Pharisees? Perhaps because Rabbinic Judaism is the surviving branch of Pharisaic Judaism.
@RedTiger Although I agree with Jews copying elements from older religions, I disagree with your view that is was the Christians who invented the concept of of "savior" (soter in Greek). This title was given to many gods in other much older religions and to the goddess Isis herself. Jesus was a latecomer to that title.
Good stuff think your great.
So u need to know a secret before you can experience Jesus healing energy. So I had a bounty on my head put on me from the devil himself. So I obtained the Elijah spirit from heaven. But I was a lost sheep. That means once I believed an then I didn't.
So it didn't work for me as well.
The devil sent a tin can full of fallen angels. An f in big foots
I destroyed all of them. But they could turn back time then an they brought all back but couldn't bring back the big foots.
An left me the same. 167 stitches broken back. Paralyze left hand an a carbon fiber right shine bone. So the devil seen I could pull energy from other energy an wanted me to heal an get stronger an then take my power.
So he had me train in hell fighting
I got so strong when I go to train my training partners would be hiding an wouldn't show there self they would rather hide from me knowing D was going to torture them. Anyhow I ended up after fighting through the ranks ripping the soul out the devil after he went dragon just to make it a fair fight. So now u can experience Jesus healing energy
All old aches and pains will be washed away takes 30 minutes
Best to relax and shut yr eyes😮
Ressurection
The ressurection is one thing, but the living church in Jesus will be together change for the Rapture or taking from one place to the next
So called Gnostic gospel is not found in the New Testament
Apocryphal or secret gospel or some secrets book seen to be someone else notebook that wasn't meant to be any kind of gospel, but was translated to be something important to make monetary profits
The New Testament is clear about Jesus and his purpose...
I read Pagels’ book on gnostic texts around the time that The DaVinci Code blew up and I was an undergrad in biblical history at a fundamentalist Christian college. Her book blew my mind and was another stop in my escape from that world and into the rich world of comparative mythology.
Love how you've ended comment , i don't 'believe' but i can thoroughly enjoy the myth stories of religious scripture
Why was the davinci code a thing that'd ever have blown up? isn't it just some fiction book?
@@boliusabol822 Yeah it’s a pulp alternate history/conspiracy theory thriller. I don’t know why it was such a sensation but it’s popularity coincided with my time at a fundamentalist Bible college, and all of the professors were anxious to debunk its claims.
It sparked my interest in alternate Christian/Gnostic texts and actual scholarship in those areas, not just the evangelical song and dance.
FYI Bart Erhman has a video where he details that most everything in that book is false
RE: The Davinci book
The interviewer is very respectful and pleasant and lets his guests talk unlike other interviewers who do more talking than their guests.
Elaine Pagels needs no introduction! She is an absolute LEGEND in the field of Biblical Scholarship over the past 40 years!
A legend like the bible itself as in fiction.
@@aristotlesfourcauses6323 Why do you ask stupid questions?
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If this lady is such a biblical Legend then what is Gospel and why is she wasting time talking about a withering branch coming to nothing?
@@stevenjames1951 Your post has already amounted to nothing.
I was hooked on Pagels with The Gnostic Gospels. Opened my eyes and mind. The Gospel of Thomas is gold.
Dr. Pagels is one of my favorite scholars. I love her works. I read her "The Gnostic Gospels" when I was at an important crossroads in my late 20's. All I have to say, it helped me.
She is really not a scholar of any type. She is a media person, an invention of the media, not of scholarship
When I was young, 8 decades ago, I was a devout christian, family went to church every Sunday. On the occasional winter day when it snowed, I would organize a church service for my younger brother and sister. I read the Bible cover-cover with a flashlight, under my covers to allow me to read, whereas my parents demanded I turn off the lights and sleep. As an adolescent, I began to meditate while driving tractor, or stop for a while to wander down to the creek and lie in the tall grass and drift with the clouds. As a young adult I attended a Christian college where some doubt was cast about Jesus that created a desire to know the original teachings of Jesus. One day while I was writing an assignment on the blackboard for my students, poetry began to flow as I wrote. My students asked if they were supposed to copy the poem. I told them they could if they wished, but I was going to. That happened again and again. Half a century later I discovered in writing a memoir, my poetry was a Gnostic Christianity that echoed early Christian writers of the 1st & 2nd century. They seemed to be similar to the original teachings of Jesus--an answer to my prayer
The Origin of Satan was one of the best text books from all my religious studies classes. We had a “biography of Satan” class.
Big fan. Thank you Dr. Pagels.
That makes sense
Being able to hear experts talk about what they're experts in is a profound experience.
Yes! It's one of the best things about the internet. I have spent tens of thousands of dollars on trainings over my many decades; and it is such a gift to be able to see my favorite teachers any time I want, without having to spend all that money and travel......although it's always more fun to 'be there' in person, it's fabulous that alll this great information can now get out to millions of more people than ever before, hopefully, acccelerating our evolution out of ego!
What makes her an expert?
@@susansmiles2630 Great response! 👍
@@Fuzzywuzzywasawoman She has a education that not just anyone can casually achieve. She is the Harrington Spear Paine Professor at Princeton University and an Aspen Institute Trustee. What year were you born? Because I believe she's been writing about the subject since 1979. I literally remember fur carpet rugs and curtain beads back then while my dad smoked in the house playing poker with my grandpa. My sister was preoccupied with her boyfriend who was a member of the Hell's Angels who my parents invited for dinner which was probably uncomfortable. Completely different world back then. I was like 3yrs old blowing fart bubbles in the bathroom playing with my toys while Elaine Pagels was kicking ass in academia. I'd say she's an expert. lol
@@Fuzzywuzzywasawoman Oh I am sure you will find a way to cloud your mind and claim she knows nothing
I grew up in a Roman Catholic family with Jewish friends, Mormon and charismatic Christian business associates, and I went to a Methodist high school that accepted students of all faiths, provided we agreed to attend weekly chapel services and take at least one religion class per semester. I've concluded that God (however you choose to call that entity) is less concerned with our nomenclature than with the fact that we understand what we're doing and how we're doing it. The details honestly seem to vary from one person to the next, as is appropriate since each person is unique. You have oodles of information and a stellar presentation-- thank you!
As LDS, we talk about the unrighteous seed of Cain, which we turned into being the negros. We've never apologized for this. Blamed it on God, and that it wasn't until 1978 that God was ok with them holding the priesthood and make it to heaven. Sad
I read this book over 18 years ago, and I have to say it was one of the things that pulled the threads of my faith. I'm so glad to have read it. Elaine Pagels is a BOSS!
@@aristotlesfourcauses6323 Well, like I said, it was ONE of the things that pulled the threads. Y'know what the the big one was; the Bible itself. I was fervently studying specifically in order to "write the word of the Lord on my heart" so I could be a knowledgeable soul-winner for Christ. But I'm sure you know something more than I do about the level of faith and commitment I might have had 20 years ago.
@@911jdc What were some of the first things about the Bible that pulled apart your faith while you were sincerely trying to be transformed by it?
@@DJ5780 it's been so long, I don't even know where to begin. Historical inconsistencies, archeological inconsistencies, moral inconsistencies, internal literary inconsistencies all piled up to the point I had to ask myself just how much longer I could continue to play fast and loose with word "perfect" and still remain intellectually honest.
@@911jdc gotcha, I can totally relate to that. I'm a christian but grappling with those same things now.
@@DJ5780 I don't know what to say. Losing my faith was emotionally excruciating and I don't wish that on anyone. I'm glad to be where I am today, but I wish there had been a different way to get there.
FOUND OUT THIS CHANEL YESTERDAY! SO EXITED AND HAPPY! I WAS IN SCIENTOLOGY CULT FOR 5 YEARS IN Kazakhstan 🇰🇿, was in Islamic cult, was in sufizm cult. These videos helps me to make sure myself that I made a right decision by leaving all kinds of religion. Thanks for your channel 👍
Interesting life info Mr.Xcults 😅
Didn't u try QuraniCults ?
Have joyful lifes 🤲💜🙏
Raised christian fascist escaped and was able to over come the prorgamming . And I am reclaiming my power . Not today Jesus!
It looks like you were born to be in some cult. Do you want to join another one? Культ Баурсаков.
You likely endured a lot of unhealthy trauma, and brainwashing. I hope you get some counselling or therapy from a professional. Congratulations on your courage and strength to leave religion
Welcome back to reality my friend. Of course We are finding out Aliens are Real!! Haha. Cheers and Respect from Texas USA 🙏🕉️❤️👽
I read Dr. Pagel’s book “Why Religion” and it truly is beautiful. Dr. Pagels has been through so much and yet continues her extremely important work and is so generous with her time. Her book meant so much to me and opened up possibilities that I did not know existed. Thanks for her volunteering her time and for you, Derrick, for making it happen!
This is absolutely one of the most epic interviews I’ve ever watched being a Christian for 40+ years. Please do another as your styles fit each other wonderfully and great insights abound. Thank you both! 🙏🏼
Dont ya just LOVE Free Will!
Elaine is such a delight! Thank you for having her as a guest!!
It sounds like she went through a naughty hippy chick phase. Maximum respect 🙏
She comes across as a lovely intelligent lady. I'm looking forward to reading her books especially about the Gnostics and origins of Satan.
She's a nice lady
she is a goofball
By far the best insight and explanation of the mystical theosophy of the spiritual path Jesus taught. This insight is to be experienced rather than learned, the experience validates the teacher rather than the teacher validating the experience. Thank you Elaine Pagels, great interview Derek.
Derek, take pride in all you've accomplished. I didn't care about any of this, back in the day, now your videos are my favorite things to look forward to. U bet I am not the only 1 who can say this. You have helped people know new things. What could be better?
I agree wholeheartedly.
@@jamiehudson3661 🤣🤣🤣 like religions
And here the big joke running around the quadrant is that the advanced apes in the Terran System believe that God created them in his own image. That's what the advanced ungulates of Gliesse 22B believe.
@@jamiehudson3661 care to give an example?
God didn’t lie. Something died in me when I learned the truth. My trust in humanity, my government, my family, my coworkers died. The childlike mind died but my childlike spirit stayed with me (Thank God).
It has taken me damn near 10 years to rise from all the confusion.
Love your show! Stay passionate.
What truth???
@@vegeta8169 I would have to write a book to answer your two word question. That's why we are urgently advised to seek it out for ourselves. Best wishes to you.
@@straightwithnochaser I am seeking and I found out a lot. Please just one or two words and I might know what you mean.
@vegeta8169 God is real.
@@straightwithnochaser Yes, I forgot this was an atheist channel. God is real, Thank you and God bless you.
Satan was originally a guardian cherub in the garden of Eden who in his pride and envy of man became a deceiver and tempter of man and our accuser before the throne of the Most High.
As it is written:
"You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, Till iniquity was found in you."
Não, satanás não existe!
É uma invenção da religião.
A bíblia hebraica não menciona esse ser angelico, antes do exílio babilônico, em lugar nenhum, isso é criação do pós exílio babilônico, depois que os judeus beberam da religião Persa, aí, surgiu "satã " como um ser espiritual.
can i please ask you where you found this?
@johnfrancis4090 Ezekiel 28.
It says this is a prophecy against the "prince of Tyre" but if you read it you'll see it's about Satan.
I was going to multitask, and listen to this in the background. I got nothing done. This took my full attention. And I’ve heard Dr. Pagels give numerous talks. This was the most enlightening to me.
I seriously just put MythVision up on my TH-cam Chromecast and que up your videos, and watch as much as I can. Derek you've done an awesome job on your channel. I consider you one of the hardest working people in this area of questioning religion, and bringing the experts to the masses.
does satan have sex
You didn't know he was in a relationship with Saddam Hussein?
@@Sportliveonline no,there's no sex in the spiritual realm
@@luismangiaterra1031 I think you misheard. It's there's no sex in the Champagne room. Not quite the same thing as the spiritual realm.
Dr. Pagels is such a fantastic, brilliant scholar. How do you get all these amazing guests, you need like a million more subscribers, your content is so rich and thought-provoking!
As an American African, I really enjoyed this question-and-answering period with renowned scholar Elaine Pagel. Strange that I used to work in a library and I would see her books. But never had the heart to read them. Then I retired and a friend showed me a wall full of books and there was Elaine Pagel's book: Beyond Belief. I just started reading it and I must say it has a lot of answers to questions I held onto for years. I must say thank you, Derek. I listen to many of your TH-cam interviews, especially Bart Ehrman and James Tabor. Wonderful interview.
What does your ethnic background have to do with anything you said? Why did you need to mention that you're Black? If you left that out, would it change any of the rest of your comment? Then why mention it? Maybe I should begin my comments with, "As an Anglo-Nordic descendent of settlers who came to the New World 400 years ago..." and then follow that with stuff that has nothing to do with my ethnicity. That wouldn't be obnoxious or anything, would it? That wouldn't cause people to think I was obsessed with ethnicity, right?
@@juliancate7089as a right handed Homo Sapien with 3% Neanderthal DNA and hazel eyes, I appreciate your comment.
@@chrismathis4162 As a cis-gendered, hetero-normative, trans-phobic, White male oppressor, I thank you.
@@juliancate7089I agree the mention of his race seemed out of place however I’d also say your incredibly long and angry response was as well.
@@OJ_Pimpson Not an ounce of anger then or now. Was not and am not angry at him, just perplexed by what I think is an unnecessary and maybe a bit of a "race card' comment. It's unfortunate that written words can't convey tone. But if you think questioning him over it was uncalled for, imagine the exact same comment but starting with, "As a White American...".
When I read the gospel of Thomas, everything came together and finally made sense to me.
(I'm a Catholic school survivor.)
Absolutely mesmerizing woman! This goes down as one of my fave interviews. So knowledgeable, personable and speaks in plain language - you HAVE to interview her again! I saw she wrote about the Apocalypse. Would love to hear her on that topic. Thanks, Derek!
One of her lectures on the Apocalypse (Revelation) is available on YT... well worth listening to! :)
You must don't know what mesmerize means. Hypnotized, being under a spell. Truly she is mesmerizing. With her deep head knowledge, The Bible is a spiritual book, she said Jesus is the serpent in the garden. Wow!!
@@theseustoo Cool I'm going to check that out. 🎉 Thank you.
@@IndecentAngels My pleasure... I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. I must say that, for a 'believer', Elaine Pagels is as near to an 'agostic' or even an 'atheist' as it is possible to get! (One suspects that she is really just a 'cultural Christian' in the same sense that Richard Dawkins admitted to being a 'cultural Christian'! And, I suppose that I must also admit to being a similar, agnostic, atheistic, 'cultural Christian'!)
In the book On the Origins of the World, the serpent is Eve and Eve is the Spirit of Life itself and not just a scorned woman. Infact, she brought Life and the Truth to Adam, whom the rulers (Yaldaboath) tried to deceive because they were terrified of Adam realizing he is divine, and they were jealous of Eve's powerful divine spirit. If you are surprised by the idea that Jesus was the serpent, you must not be very educated. He is thought to be Lucifer as well.
Omg was so happy to hear her say she’d be happy to do more interviews! So happy!
Derek you rule! Thanks Dr. Pagels!
Would she have said THAT if Derek wasn't so unbelievably charming??? ... and such an astute interviewer (OF COURSE!!)?
I think not.
@@pheresy1367 leave the thinking to the horses they have the bigger head
Man you have come such a long way. You are killing it Derek 👏 you have become one of the best theology and history Channel on youtube. Big fan brother
An interesting exploration of Christianity and helps understanding of religion without demanding literal belief and deepens my own understanding of Jewish and Buddhist teachings. Thank you. I will have to start getting her books.
Thank you so much, for having Professor Pagels to the programme.Her talk about the Gnostics Gospels was absolutely wonderfully explained.. ♥️
Professor Pagels has a an approach to this subject that I don't think I've seen anywhere else. Its absolutely liberating and I love it.
Check out Joseph Campbell.
As with ALL religious myths, 'Satan' is right out of
'The Goat-Herder's Guide to the Universe'.
Absolutely brilliant!! I feel so sorry for her. She lost a child. I feel so sorry that people would call her Elaine Pagan!! Absolutely love her!!! Thanks for all you do!!!
One of the most significant books I have ever read. Phenomenal. Brilliant.
Loved this interview, very powerful. People searching like myself get stuck in cults and when we leave are lost not realising that we all have this information in us all as we are all are connected and God. Now with the internet you find gems of information like this that unlocks your conciseness. It’s a brave and courageous thing to search for and accept truth. I know now why I went into the cult I and my children were protected while learning. Now I’m free Thankyou for such a GREAT intiview🙏🏼🌞💙✨🌻
Love the growth of the channel. This was excellent
Dr. Pagels is awesome! I read one of her books years ago and have been a fan since.
Literally listening to Dr. Pagels' new book "Why Religion" on Audible. Only 3 chapters in and I am convinced that this is the BEST book she has ever written!!! PLEASE get her book if you're reading this!
All of you guys are a bunch of blind followers not a single one following his own mind. Why should you buy someones idea and just run with it?
The same intelligence you have she has it too..for some reason you decide to drop yours and embrace hers. This is amazing
@@jared2244 She's like any scholar, whose time has been invested in painstakingly analyzing tedious ancient material to arrive at an overview she can share with others. that's what scholars are FOR.
@@watcherwlc53 I do not dispute that..
@@jared2244 You’re absolutely right. You should believe in the Bible and Jesus because there is so much independent corroboration, oh wait……
She just gets cooler and cooler as the years go by. What a delightful person and a brilliant scholar!
I find this interview to be the most inspiring of all of your videos that I have watched up to this point; what makes it inspiring is that Prof. Pagels is passionate about the teachings of esoteric wisdom that have no name, no source, no beginning, and no end.
I have her book “The Gnostic Gospels” and attended one of her lectures on the origin of Satan. This was a great interview👍👍👍👍
"Following an ion trail of polyester fibers will invariably cause glass ceilings to cancel the systemic apologism of pulse-wave dimensional injectors choosing penguins over wave travelling quantum fissures in the spacetime continuum. Underlying deodorants will verify electroplasma photon locks that reject yoga goal posts oppressing student loans for air conditioning school."
---Albert Einstein
Fact checkers say..."Correct!"
"Fact checks can be checked because they're checkable by checkers."
---Albert Einstein
"It is the Will of Landru."
---Albert Einstein
"It's hard to see what you can't see but you'll soon see."
---Albert Einstein
Just discovered this channel and of course I have to binge watch everything and then I must read professor Elaine pagel work this is why I love youtube, because of channels like this and facinating guests
This was pretty eye opening. I'll be blatantly honest. Before I started digging into religion, I took a lot of LSD. It showed me a lot of this stuff. I went through the phase of "are we god" for about a month, then after a significant trip I realized this is our capability of what we could become. The light, the dark, it's all part of us. The path to know god is the path to know one's self. I need to read her books, never heard of her so could be a rehashing of thoughts I've had for years. Great interview mate. (Omg so I was looking through her books and someone handed me her Gnostic Gospels book in 2004 because of the things I had said to her in a Convo. Guess I had heard of her.☺️)
This is the first of your programs I have watched. If they are all so well produced, researched, and civil, count me in as a new fan. OUTSTANDING!
elaine is a national treasure
Thank you for this interview!
I am today years old when I first heard of Elaine Pagles and I now want to read all of her books ASAP.
I identify strongly with her story of personal religious experiences throughout adolescence. My household was perhaps less religious in some ways and the "nondenominational" homechurch based - Christian cult I encountered as a teen may have been somewhat different than her experience, but my reason for leaving that "church" is very similar to Elaines reasoning. I genuinely have the same interest in the subject as she did when she chose to go to college for it.
TMI: I'm at a bit of a crossroads in my life and I'm now starting to think I need to write down "non-seminary" school as a possible path to take
Omg. Thank you so much for this interview. I’ve never heard of Elaine Pagels before this. I must have been living under a rock. She seems to be so prolific. I am a big fan of Bart Erhman so I’m glad to see another source of information. You are so impressive. Your questions are insightful and your enthusiasm is infectious. Thank you again!
So many great guests on this channel.
Dr Pagels is a legend! I have followed her since the early 1980’s.
This woman is appears to be spiritually dry without a relationship with Christ. Several people comment how after her teachings they left their faith. This is the fruit of her teaching for those people. I pray that those people and Elaine spiritual eyes and ears are opened by the Holy Spirit and they receive the revelation of who Christ is as described in the John chapter one.
Quit judging other people. John was written way latter. By who fucking knows, contradicts the other gospels and Paul's letters. We don't even know what original manuscripts said, who are you to come out and judge people spiritually?
MythVision, I love your channel! You ROCK! Thanks for giving agnostics and atheists everywhere a voice.
As a Catholic, I really do appreciate these discussions/interviews.
As an atheist, and 'escaped' (i.e. EX-) catholic, so do I! ;)
As a gnostic, who conversated with God when I experienced gnosis, I appreciate such discussions as well. I was on my way to being lost, till God smacked me from inside my own head, saying, stop looking everywhere for me. I am right here!
I never would have thought to look inside myself, if it hadn't happened directly.
Now I have been closer to God and Jesus ever since.
These discussions are very important to many people and the discussions must be had to find what we seek.
Open your mind and other books:
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Godspeed!
May I ask in what way do these discussions bolster your catholic faith/teachings?
@@scottgoulette8900 Honestly, looking at things in a more realistic way. Trying to understand what likely happened, and how it all fits together. Learn how the Apostles were thinking and how things morph over time.
@@spc1689 It's refreshing to see that you are open-minded, I'm a cultural catholic and for me it's plain as day how the politics of the day influenced church doctrine and practices.
I love this - Elaine Pagels is amazing in and of herself, but add the interaction and wonderful questions from Derrick? Best ever. I may be a teacher, but I will find a way to contribute to this effort.
Dr. Pagels is brilliant! I've read many of her books. They're amazing scholarship and fascinating, too. So glad to see her on TH-cam! I wonder why she hasn't come up on my feed before. She's an absolute #win!
Bring us Elaine Pagels, all she has to offer. Thank you!
Thanks!
Thank you so much my friend!
Kudos on getting Pagels on your podcast! Those of us who got our information from books, long before podcasts, are very familiar with Elaine Pagels.
To Elaine Pagels: thank you for your courage and Love.
Back in the 80s, Elaine Pagels' books taught me many things. So appreciate all her works.
Sat and watched this great interview this afternoon on a cold winter's afternoon. Really enjoyed hearing Professor Pagel's answers and hearing her interact with you. Although I have known of her for decades I have never read any of her books. I now plan to correct that mistake! Thank you!
I had no idea the concept of "Divide and Conquer" was so ancient! Sad thing is, it's still a powerful tool for those who wish to use it. One would think more people would have seen through this concept and denounced it after all of these centuries. Thank you Dr. Pagels and MythVision for bringing this to light!
Elaine Pagels is the first person I read that got me interested in this whole topic, everything this channel is about. That was the 1980s, I think.
It’s incredible interview. Thank you.
As a Jew raised in Catholic country in Christianity, discovering Judaism and my family roots later in life, and going right now through a lot of spiritual stuff, I am amazed that I ended up with the same conclusions as this amazing scholar. It really reaffirms my path and gives me faith. Thank you!!
You realize this channel is anti religion, right?
Jesus expressly said that he came to destroy the works of the devil, and at the end, destroy Satan.
Satan is not a myth or a metaphor, he is a literal created being who rebelled against God, was physically kicked out of Heaven, and has waged war against God and mankind since that day.
This was an incredible conversation. Thank you both.
Derek looks like a little kid listening to their favorite person telling a story. It’s so adorable.
A great talk I learned so much! Thank you guys for all you do!
I actually found it quite annoying, by far his worst performance as an interviewer.
I'm 20 minutes in and already am embarrassed for the lad.
This adoration isn't helping his guest either.
She's treating us all like children because she's not been fully tested.
For example the crucifixion, like we didn't know the Romans crucified people and no mention of the argument that it was the jews that prompted the verdict.
It is not adorable when you want him to ask more probing questions and be less in awe of who he interviewing. Adoration makes for weak interviews.
Imo, The gospel of Thomas's message that we have a direct connection with God and God is within each an everyone of us, is a great threat to an organized church that wants to control everything. That is why it was not accepted and had to be destroyed.
I’ve never clicked so fast on a video before! Elaine Pagels has been my favorite religious author since I discovered her book, “The Gnostic Gospels” 20 years ago. Great interview so far and I’m so down to hear more from you both!💜
She's such a fascinating author. Like you, she is one of my favourite religious authors. I have read her gnostic gospels book several times over the years.
Great interview! I read her book on the Gnostic Gospels. I am a Christian and her research not only challenges me, but makes me look further into Christianity, including the Gnostic branches
There was a time where I was "just wondering" about the world, content to read about it and "learn more".
Then I realized, I needed to use that time better. So I went to school to learn it more directly, get the research skills, befriend the scholars myself. It's the best decision I made for my own spiritual life.
I'm not going to tell you where I am with it, nor will I tell you where to go with it. You do you, but I see you out there on that Kierkeggardian ledge.
Jump.
I have a response for the interviewer, regarding his question about whether the Nephilim and/or Rephaim represent Cain's bloodline. In Genesis, the ones who bred with the daughters of men are called Beni HaElohim, or the Sons of the Elohim. The Elohim are the kind of people who created Adam, and are often referred to as "the gods" in the KJV Old Testament. Some scholars say that these "daughters of men" were of the line of Cain. Other scholars disagree, citing the fact that the term translated as "men" is adam. Thus inferring that "daughters of Adam" means actual siblings of Cain & Seth, and therefore not descendants of Cain.
HOWEVER, a lot of Rabbis don't even think Cain was fathered by Adam at all, as they consider Cain's father to have been Nachash of the Elohim -- the one called "Serpent" in most English translations.
So, therefore it would make sense as you say, to take "of your father the devil" to refer simply to the line of Cain, regardless of fallen angels or giants. That is, it would make sense to those who have conflated Nachash with Satan.
After reading and listening to these occasions of books and taps on God, religion, spirituality, Jesus Christ, churches. I must be honest with you people. I resorted to depend on the Holy Spirit to teach me and direct me because Holy Spirit is real and practical. I refused to be deceived. There are lots of Deception everywhere even with people you least expect. God forgive and have mercy on those who have taken it upon themselves to deceive others. Thanks for your work.
What an awesome interview! Seen a few of yours before but this one got you a sub!
That was a good discussion but based on the title I was expecting a larger portion of the talk to be about Satan.
They did get off topic here. While the host is great at asking questions, it is also the host's responsibility to direct the interview to not drift away from the subject at hand.
Hi Derek. This was a very interesting and insightful discussion. Enjoyed it. I've never heard of her until now.. But I like the way Elaine Pagels speaks.
Funny how things get together. I was raised in a Christian home, my father was a sceptical theologist, a lutheran vicar, he twice did a doctorate. I became a Buddhist and suddenly after a few years of meditating and following Jewish influences, and when I read Prof. Elaine Pagels' book about the Nag Hamadi gospels, it all fell into place. I tried hard to learn her book by heart. At least I managed with the quotes about Miryam, the consort of Jesus.
Elaine Pagels is my new favorite!
fuck man, stop with all these amazing guests, I once again have spent all my pocket money on books.
Money well spent.
I know how that goes...
So wonderful. Reminds me of reading "Liberating the Gospels" by Bishop Spong. Elaine Pagels is my new hero. I left (dis)organized religion years ago because as I said it: I read enough to read between lines or "by the spirit" instead of the "letter of the law".
Merge the letter of law with the spirit of the law you get Islam!
Another amazing show. He has the best Dr's. on his channel. They really put a nail on every topic they cover.
The serpent was Satan appearing as a serpent. Satan was a fallen angel and a supernatural being with powers. But God's power is greater.
Have loved your work for years, Ms. Pagels.
Great guests, but Derek you’re knowledge and questions really add something to the podcast. It’s not just your guests that are great.
Seriously thank you!
I read so many of her books years ago. I didn't realize it, but her writings have influenced so much of my thinking over the years.
Fabulous interview with much content. Very wide ranging. Really engaging.
Ich liebe Elaine's Bücher und Ausführungen. Sie haben mir geholfen mein Bild in eine gesunde Richtung zu erweitern... Vielen Dank
@MythVisionPodcast Thank you for having her on! I discovered her on another podcast in my search for Truth. Just subscribed!
I love this channel. I have become aware of so many experts in the history of Christian/Jewish faith , history, politics etc.
Excellent content👍💪👏❤Dr. Pagels thank you for taking time to do this interview💛
Great talk! Dr. Pagels is just lovely 😇 Can't wait for more of you two 😃
The Professor failed to mention that tradition seems to be strong in the theory that Thomas was a missionary voice of the gospel in the Indus Valley. Maybe that’s why Thomas’ so called “secret teachings” seem to have a more Hindu religious emphasis. Possibly, Thomas attempted to merge a Christian gospel message with a spiritual message more traditional to the Hindi community? To me, kinda an important historical consideration. And maybe that’s why it was not included in the final canon of the NT.
Thank you. Watching from Alaska.
I've been watching the professor alot and I love how she makes you think for yourself and how neutral she is I would love to see more of her 😁
How does a religious accademic teach about the devil ..when the devil does not exist and even if the devil exists i need to know why cant god who made the angel who became the devil seems to have trouble destroying the devil..
@@CarlosSanchez-dv1ew I see you fell asleep in class or just commented without watching.
She explains quite clearly the answer to your question, and directly addresses the presumptions in the basis of your question.
There ARE stupid questions, and they are the ones answered in the content.
@@morganseppy5180there are no stupid questions. Carlos may have not understood what was explained. It seems from your answer you assume he did. Also, putting someone else down to elevate one’s self is frowned upon. Unless you feel it necessary because nothing else gives joy.
Stunning interview. Would absolutely love to hear Dr Pagels expound more on both the Garden of Eden and the Rod of Aesclepius/Moses. Great to see this quirky channel that scratched a niche itch for me expand into some of the best scholarship available.
Wide ranging variety of scholars interviewed on MythVison. This was a really great interview thanks Derek and Elaine !!! Perhaps the first interview with coverage of the "Gnostic Gospels" from Nag Hammadi and all the other "weird" Jesus stories, other Acts of the Apostles, etc. Will be interested in any future interviews with Elaine Pagels because she has covered the ground for many decades in regard to the "Gnostics". She was a fair and independent reporter on the Gospel of Judas when it suddenly and unexpectedly appeared in 2005. The story of Satan by Elaine Pagels on MV is well worth checking.
The Bible says even if an angel of light comes preaching another gospel let him be accursed. The Mormons are a great example. Joseph Smith said an angel came and told all these things that do not go along with God's word and the gospel Jesus gave to the apostles and his disciples.
I read Pagel's text on the Gospel of Thomas some years ago. Reading the Gospel of Thomas, it was immediately obvious why it was not included in the canon of scripture. The tone, texture and message were so wildly different from the 4 gospels, there is no way it could be taken as a serious account of the life of Christ, or actually a serious account of anything. As a Christian who is fairly well acquainted with Christian doctrine, I can easily say Pagel's book on Thomas is a good resource if you're looking to walk away from Christianity, or looking to relegate the Old & New Testaments to the status of interesting and/or useful myth. To examine the other side of the argument, maybe something like Mere Christianty/CS Lewis would be a good counterbalance. Cheers!
I just received Elaine Pagel’s book THE ORIGIN OF SATAN in the mail today. A great read. I can’t put it down
I too will purchase, thx for including the title.
I just obtained the Dr.'s book The Origin os Satan. Can't wait to read it!
That is a fantastic book....firs one of hers that I read over 20 years ago.
On Palm Sunday, the Jews welcomed Jesus into Jerusalem with shouts of "Hosannah to the son of David." Then, not even a week later they are crying to Pilate, "Crucify him!" It's just not believable.
How is that different than "Hang Mike Pence"?
Thanks, Elain for ALL scholarly work on the Gospels. Dave P
Evil is as evil does. It's not just your enemies, it's God's enemies. Those who do not obey God.