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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ม.ค. 2020
- Tinyhawk 2 vs the Mobula 6 with actual data! My times were captured with the Delta5 FPV race timer created by Scott Chin. My results are comping both quads tuned the way i like them to fly. This is about as apples to apples of a completion i could come up with and your results may vary.
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Here is a link to my Betaflight dump. Be sure you are on the correct version of betaflight. This was setup for also using the JESC 48khz PWM ESC firmware as well. Also your modes should be on a 3 position switch so rate profile 1 is using pid profile 1 rate profile 2 with pid 2 and rate 3 with pid 3. drive.google.com/open?id=1IWK...
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Subbed. Good point on the camera distortion creating a sense of greater speed!
Subscribed! Love to see you play more about TH2 :)
I just bought a mobula 6, it's my first whoop and started looking stuff up and found your channel. You got a new subscriber!! I've been flying 3" mostly because it's perfect for where I fly, but I recently moved and just needed something to tool around the house and the yard. Kind of sad I didn't get the tinyhawk after watching this video, but am glad I found your channel anyway!!
The mob6 has been a great little Quad. Just get a betafpv meteor65 frame for it when it breaks.
Man i really like all these e max whoops!!!! Can't wait to get my hands on one!!!! Woke up to snow and rain.......makes me sad that i cant fly and haven't been in the air in weeks!!!! But i have the kid this weekend so wouldn't be flying anyways. Great post brother!!! I like stuff like this so we can tell what one is best!!!!! Have a good day!!
What a fantastic review. I was so impressed with this quad I bought two of them. It is so precise in its flying you can go through the smallest gaps with laser guided precision. I have other quads and have not flown any of them since it has arrived. Yes it's heavier but WOW does it fly well!!! Been flying mine on the GNB 520 packs. Cruising time with a full hv charge is nearly 5 minutes. Love the channel. I will join as a patreon soon!
Can't tell which drone you're talking about 😭
Tinyhawk
just got one for my bday today dude cant wait to maiden it....thanks for the advice buddy
Happy birthday!
I have TH II that I flashed JazzMaveric 48khz, RPM Filtering and was completely amazed, getting.45 sec to min more flytime than stock on 520mah 1s and 300mah 2s. Much quieter and smoother...I am really happy and kind of impressed! Thanks for sharing.
Whoop on buddy!
THANKS FOR THE REAL TIME TRIAL!!!! It makes sense with a smaller camera it would seem faster to the eye but I just couldn't figure EMAX would make a slower drone with less performance than its predecessor. But all the other reviews say it is slow and lacks quick response. THANKS I SUBSCRIBED because you really timed it and gave TRUE performance. YOU ROCK!!
I'm still running this setup in 2022. Handles great on 2s and is a real rocket.
Great content, made sure to subscribe because your Etsy page has great reviews. Definitely going to be getting some grips for my x9 lite.
Awesome, thank you!
Thank you sir I appreciate your time and effort
Thank you
Thanks for the numbers. They don’t lie.
thanks for watching!
Thanks for the review, thumps up.
No problem 👍
Awesome man, I can’t believe how good my THS2 flies now, Thank you sir!!! You got a setup for the TH freestyle??
The th freestyle I flew as it came. It really didn't need any tuning.
Awesome flying, dude! 😃
Great review and comparison!
good review. subscribed.
Thanks for the sub!
Great Video Thanks :)
Great video! I'm a beginner, Would it be better to buy the Rtf version of the Tinyhawk II or a bnf mobula 6 flysky version? I have a FS-i6x transmitter. And I'm considering buying the Eachine EV800 Dm to go along with the mobula 6 and my transmitter. Hope to hear your thoughts!
Great video
Thanks!
Awesome test. I like your methodology. And would you mind to share your tuning profile? I feel the mockingbird setting is too twitchy as well as consuming battery.
A link to my tune is in the video description.
Do you still have it? I want to buy the tinyhawk 2 for indoor usage as we can't fly outside lol. Let me know!
That quad name in the CLI dump, well played!
😂
I can't wait to get mine in the air again. I was just learning acro mode when this thing died on me. Now I'm getting decent at acro and really look forward to flying this in acro. AIO board should be here tomorrow.
Awesome! This hobby is so darn addictive I have to make sure I have backup quads.
@@TweetFPV Oh man, I know it. My TH2 is down, my TH Freestyle is down. I only have one 3" build to fly right now and I'm terrified of breaking it because I won't have anything to fly until parts come in and I fly every day. It is very addictive.
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TweetFPV I've noticed a lot of folks say the TinyHawk is unflyable on 2s... Try this. On you transmitter, set on of the pots up so it divides the throttle position by a certain percentage. I've done this, and when I swap to 2s, I simply twist the knob all the way and 100% stick is not the equivalent of the old 50% stick. Makes it SO much more fun.
That is a great idea!
Thank you this helps me out. 1 year into FPV. I'm buying a Tinyhawk 2. I have the tinyhawk 1 and love it.
I totally agree with the build quality of the Mobula 6! Mine is about to be the most expensive mobula 6. I literally got it yesterday. On the 3rd flight, I hit the wall in my house and the freakin camera popped off and now i can't get it to focus for anything....And the so called durable frame is not so durable. I broke 2 of the front struts. So I already have a $21 runcam nano 3 coming in (actually ordered 2 because they are so fragile) so $42 and I bought a set of Betafpv 65mm frames on Amazon for $9. They actually seem much more durable than the mobula 6.
My conclusion. 1) I'm not a great indoor drone flyer if I can break this so called durable drone in 3 flights. 2) Some Reviewers are not being 100 percent up front with the quality control issues of this drone. Thank you for your honest review! looks like I will be picking up the Tinyhawk 2 as well.
Can you do a setup vid for Tiny Hawk 2? Just got mine and it doesn't work worth a crap.
Awesome...what kind of flight time for the Tinyhawk 2 if you're just chill flying?
Hard to say 4-5 minutes when flashed with 48khz esc fw. 3 min with the stock esc fw on 1s
To bad they didn’t use the nano 3 for weight savings. That way you’d get similar performance to the s. Wow I commented before I finished the video. I’m surprised the 2 was faster. Maybe the 2 with a nano 3 to get that fast feel. I mean I get 4:20 of racing on my s, and I thought the 2 only gets like 2:30 to 3 min. What type of flight times are u getting in the 2? I did the 48khz and pmb on my s and it’s so locked in its amazing.
I just got the TinyHawk 2. It is a great drone! Very stable, smooth, quiet and has good power. I used your Mockingbird settings and they are great! Super responsive and locked in. I also installed the JESC 48khz firmware. I am getting 4 minutes flight time on the 1S 450mAH battery and over 5 minutes with a 1S 525 mAH battery. I haven't tries 2S yet.
Thanks for posting your custom Mockingbird settings. The stock settings are good, especially for beginners, but the Mockingbird settings turned it into a super responsive drone!
One thing I want to point out. Emax has gone back to the motor plugs, the motors are no longer direct soldered to the FC board. Even the Emax video now shows motor plugs.
Mine has motor plugs. I see your video and other reviewers has soldered motor connections. They must be from the first batches of the TH2, then later on in the year sometime they changed to motor plugs in the newer batches.
HII and thank you for share your experience. ASK you how strong is, how strong are the props. HOW fly outside.
For me the most important is to be strong.
The mobula 6 with the 25,000kv Motors would be my choice for flying outside. The frame will break easily. Replace it with the Meteor 6 frame from betafpv. Neither of these small Quad will work well outside it there is any wind, they are too small, light, and low power to handle much wind.
@@stelic9515 Hi, the TinyHawk 2 is very durable. Check out the reviews here on TH-cam and on the forums like Rcgroups. I don't know how strong the props are yet but I hit my fence pretty hard and no frame or prop damage, not even a scratch or scuff mark on the frame! I was flying outside in strong wind and got blown into the fence flying FPV with my googles.
TweetFPV is correct, These small quads get blown around in wind, too small and light.
I had the Mobula7 for years. I did not like it and threw it out and got the TinyHawk 2 which I like much better in every way.
One issue with the Mobula7 new out of the box was the motors rattled which made them sound like cheap junk motors. This was irritating every time I flew it...
I took them all apart and oiled them but they still rattled. The drone also would shake in a hover which a lot of people were having and mentioned in the forums and here on TH-cam, but I completely got rid of that in the PID adjustment. It was then super smooth!
I had a mobula 7 and is was also not a good Quad. For flying acro outside the mob6 was more able to do the acro type flying I like to do. Mainly to the traditional prop layout and lower weight.
@@TweetFPV The Mobula6 is getting good reviews from what I have seen. I thought about getting it but decided to get the TinyHawk 2 instead. And with your settings it turned it from mild to a very responsive and locked in super drone! It also helps with outdoor flying in the wind as I can get the nose way down to help pull it through light wind.
Can i use the radio and goggles I got with the EZ pilot kit for the TH2 or do I need a different one, thanks.
The goggles are universal and can be used with just about any 5.8ghz transmitter that can be found on most fpv quads. Unfortunately the controller is a proprietary communication standard that is only going to work with the ez pilot. So you would need to get a new radio. A great entry option is the betafpv literadio2. betafpv.com/collections/tx/products/literadio-2-radio-transmitter?sca_ref=360201.IdW7j0Cv8A
Hi Tweet, hey I’ve just now started reading about the 48kHz tune and the steps to take to use the JESC download. I’m just wondering, if after I do the JESC 48kHz tune, then use your dump, will the dump already be set to a 3 pos. switch, or do I need to setup a switch first that activates the first, second, and third pid and profile rates. I hope I asked this correctly without being too confusing. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much.
It should be set to use the bf adjustments on a 3 position switch but you'll jus thave to make sure you assign the correct one as my radio layout might be different than yours.
@@TweetFPV o.k. I understand that, thanks very much.👍
Good luck. If you have any questions hit me up on discord.
@@TweetFPV Thanks, will do.
Why u fly stabilized indoor?
Thanks for the vid, can you please do a vid. on the JESC 48khz PWM ESC firmware upgrade for the tiny hawk s,2.
It's in the works.
@@TweetFPV Great, thanks
Yes please where can we find it ?
Hi there, I'm pretty now to FPV and would like you clarify what you mean by: "your modes should be on a 3 position switch so rate profile 1 is using pid profile 1 rate profile 2 with pid 2 and rate 3 with pid 3."
I'm currently flying 1s and use pid profile 1 for that and I change my by switching between rate profiles(just to try different ones). Pid profile 2 is for 2S if I remember correctly. Why are you saying we need to put it on a switch and use 1-3 pid profiles?
Because using a 3 position switch is how the people at emax designed it to work. If you know what you are doing with betaflight you can change this to work however you want.
@@TweetFPV Okay, I thought we wanted to stick to a pid profile for 1s and a pid profile for 2s. Then be able to switch between angle, horizon and air mode with the switch.
I can't remember exactly but I think this setup from emax used cell count to change pid profile automatically for 1s ans 2s.
@@TweetFPV Thanks for the quick response! yeah you are correct, they do switch. I've just checked your CLI and was wondering if I should use pid profile 2 or 3 when flying 1s batteries. You mentioned that it should be set up on a switch to switch pid profile and rate profile... I was wondering if you meant that our modes should be on a switch for stab, horizon, and acro. So I'm still not 100% what you meant. Sorry if I'm being retarded and just being dumb.
I'm assuming that I was saying to put your flight modes on a 3 position switch because that was how emax had set the Quad up from the factory. And I think the rate profile changed with your flight modes automatically if you were using the correct aux switch that emax intended you to use. All these things can be changed to your liking. The pid profile should be automatic, from what I remember pid profile 1 was for 1s and 2 was for 2s. I don't think they used pid profile 3 for anything and I would guess that it is just bf stock pids.
Hey man, would you say its worthwile to flash different settings for absolute beginners?
You can but most beginners can't flash without ruining things.
I use the. Racerstar 1535 props no prop issues at all they do not come off as of yet gets rid of the prop problem
You are using the 1535 on the tinyhawk2?
Can NewBeeDrone Nitro Nectar 1s lipo batteries work on a tiny hawk 2?
Sure but they night be a little low on capasity.
U cant put em same whoop bucket. Would u compare 4" vs 5" quads on speed wise? But rekon Emax of course over Happymoo😉
They are marketed against each other. Based off solely prop size yea I agree with you but there are other factors that make these two very competitive against each other.
Do you suggest mobula six over tinyhawk s for a begginer?
Does 25kv last less time over 19kv?
Thanks a lot
The tinyhawks is certainly easier to fly and Lear how to fly on. For a more advanced pilot the mobula 6 is probably the way to go. The 25,000kv varrient will get slightly lower flight time than the 19000kv version but imo If you were an advanced pilot the 25,000kv would be better in the long run. Flight times can be made better by installing jesc and changing the pwm frequency to 48k.
thank you a lot
I would like to add your modified settings to my RC website if okay.
I also have PID's for a few different drones and some Betaflight tuning tips.
Absolutely! What's your website?
@@TweetFPV Okay thanks. I posted your settings with a link to the download file and your video.
I made my web site which I can edit fast.
I also have Pid's for the Mobula6 if you want to check them out.
(www.) RcProReviews (dot com).
On the home screen look for "Betaflight Pid's". In the drop down menu select " Emax Tiny Hawk 2 PID’s:
Awesome, just what I needed to know
Do you have the STL for the camera for the TH S. I love your videos and appreciate your help getting me started in the right direction. I now have a Tinyhawk S and a Jumper T16. I've been flying Velocidrone using the tinyhawk s and I'm doing way better, but in the real world, I'm have problems controlling the throttle. I'm trying to find out how to tame it down either on the radio or in Betaflight, but I'm not sure how to do it.
In betaflight you can scale the throttle down but in all reality it will just come with more stick time.
@@TweetFPV Also seeJoshua Bardwell's vid on presetting throttle to a slider/knob ( I use "S1" on the T16) for just that reason.
What about the flight time? Which one gives you more flight time per battery?
The tinyhawk 2 is a little longer.
I'm new to fpv I started with a e010 with fpv camera and it was awesome I just recieved a tinyhawk 2 rtf kit as a gift and I put the jesc 48khz thing but not the license version so would I just have to purchase the licences and copy your cli to work my tinyhawk is on 4.1.0 betaflight thanks in advance
yup
@@TweetFPV it flys awesome man thanks again feels like a whole new quad
Great video Tweet, I own both and as far as I’m concerned the TinyHawk blows the Mobula out of the water. Too me the TH flies so much smoother and as a beginner my throttle control isn’t the best, but the TH seems to be the easiest micro quad to control.
Totally agree
How is it compare to Happymodel Mobula 7?
WAAAAAY better in almost every way compared to the mob7
My Trashcan order was cancelled and now Im whoopless...is it possible to order TinyHawk2 for FreeSky?
Im loosing my mind here and TH2 seems like a good substitute.
Thx man
Banggood tried 3 times to send me a trashcan for review. Eveytime it hit hk customs it was confiscated. I guess exporting drones out of China is considered contraband (according to my bg rep). The th2 or mob6 are honestly better options than the trashcan.
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@@TweetFPV Im more than stunned by your swift and detailed answer.
Bless you. BUT since it's 2am here, Im tired and I made a mistake. I dont have Frysky but FlySky AFHDS 2A tx.
It is FS-i6S.
If TH2 can bind I would buy it instantly.
I hope -_-
Unfortunately the tinyhawk 2 is frsky only. You can solder in a flysky rx if you really wanted to but the mobula6 does have a flysky option
Built-in Rx are crap, you're almost always going to be better off with an external nano Rx in whatever protocol you prefer.
Happymodel makes Flysky BNF kits, but a Flysky FS-iA8x is less than $20 and has about 4x the range. Once you snip the plug, it only weighs about .6 grams with the antenna!
I get the ‘something went wrong’ error message trying to play the vid. :-(
No, the video should be fine. TH-cam must be having some issues.
Same problem here, the ads play ok then the error
Can this be bound to a Taranis x9d?
It can be bound to the Pre 2019 x9d
Is your mobula 6 the standard or race edition?
Standard. But I do have a race one now as well
What is your opinion on both?
If you were going to get a mobula 6 get the race version.
Of course the mobula isn´t fast if you fly in stability mode. But I think everyone flies what he likes. Nice vid.
I haven’t broken a prop yet I’m starting to wonder why I bought two extra sets.
You will!
Th2 has nano2 vs best cam of size nano3 on mobula. But rest of it of course better on Emax.
dude I have both and the tinyhawk 2 has so much more control and I cant figure out why.
I'm finding the th2 is better in angle mode but the mob6 is better in acro mode.
You are dealing with 2 separate classes. I don't think it's fair to compare the two.... And you have a custom tune on the TinyHawk, you need to be fair with your comparisons. I normally love your videos, but I'm shaking my head at this one. Compare the beebrain with the Mobula6. They are the same class.
You are right. They are in two different classes. The mobula is a tinywhoop class and the tinyhawk is a micro class. But it is fair to compair them because they are marketed against each other. Most multigp indoor races are a open class and the mobula6 and the tinyhawk 2 will be raced against each other. in that case the tinyhawk 2 would, based on my testing be the better choice. In either case it's up to the purchaser to decide where to put thier cash.
@@TweetFPV But that wouldn't be a fair race between the 2, because the tinyhawk has bigger props! Bigger props, more air being pushed. I'm not accounting for the weight differences though.
Well it's a give and take. Bigger props heavier Quad. We also race with tinywhoop gates and not the micro gates. I honestly think that mutigp needs to update thier class specifications.
Can you update the Mobula 6 with Proj. Mockingbird specs. ? I would like to see that?
I am getting 4-4.5 minutes flight times right out of the box.
It turtle modes great on 2s, even with the original 3 blade props.
Yea 2s is good but most people racing indoors will be on 1s and turtle mode works but isn't great.
Second that... My THii gets almost exactly 4:50-5:00 flight times on 1s.
2s gets 3:00. I added a Flysky nano Rx, and removed the LED strips and stock antenna, so very close to stock weight.
I found my OG Tinyhawk and Tinyhawk S both hard to crash-flip, but my V2 flips well, come see it in my video!
It's a little better but still not good compared to all those other brushless offerings.
@@TweetFPV its because all the motors spin. On my S I changed in betaflight to only spin 2 motors on crash flip and works every time now
Great review, thanks, I disagree about one thing though, it is worth the upgrade to the V2!
Yes. The camera alone is worth the upgrade, if you are just flying for fun then fly what you already have.
All the electronics of the tinyhawk s except the camera fit into the tinyhawk 2 frame. Any 14mm nano fpv camera will fit inside the TH2's pod. I did this 'upgrade', also fitting a caddx eos2 after breaking my tinyhawk S frame and not being able to find a like for like replacement :D
They won't let me race in the TH2 spec race with my THs, I think they're scared. Only kidding but Project MockingBird is no joke!
If beginners want to try it in angle mode only, just use the configuration, rate and the filter settings, don't touch the PIDs . It feels like my kwad is on rails now!
Heavy quads are faster, it complicated but heavy quads need less angle to achieve faster speeds.
Yep. When I went from whoops to 3", I was amazed at how fast they were. Then I went to a slightly heavier 3", and it was even faster. Got me to thinking,... oh,... right,... When you set the same camera angle on them, the heavier one requires more thrust to stay aloft, and so more thrust is also pointing rearward. As you go up in weight on quads, and use the same camera angle, you find yourself hanging on for dear life! For a professional outdoor racer who is full throttle in the straights, lighter is faster. But for the rest of us, weight and camera angle forces you out of your comfort zone. Today, I lowered my camera angle because I was having a hard time getting in close and tight to objects. But I kinda missed the automatic ripping that the higher camera angle gave.
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Blimey man you could talk a glass eye to sleep. Some good info in there, but really hard work.
Haha yea not one of my best videos. I had to keep it low key. Wife and kid were trying to sleep. Either way thanks for the input!
Faster? I think Tankhawk 2 fly time is shit in freestyle compared to the mobula6
3:50 *mobula 6
HAHA good catch!
TweetFPV lol
I don’t believe you man. I feel the Mob6 is soo much better than both the THs and 2 on 1s. But saying that I appreciate the video. I’d love a video on how you put the rhcp antenna on the THs. Thanks!
Yea I hear ya but feelings don't count.
TweetFPV I know. I would want to see more aspects if I were to believe you. Hang on to the quad awhile and retest them in another scenario side by side. On a course on the first flights rather speaks of preference. “It flies closer to what you are used to”. I’d like a scene were you test them and compare racing, freestyle, range, cam in different lighting, video quality, bang for buck etc also did you test the mob6 on bf4.1 on jesc fw?
@@danman7665 do you have the mobula 6 and the tinyhawk 2?
I my testing I was comparing racing, camera quality, build quality. Anyone can zoom around a room and would probably thing the mob6 is better but it lacks the precision control that the th2 has. Between the cameras hands down the th2 is the clear winner in my testing, specs. Both quads don't fly very well out of the box and require tuning. Both were setup with jesc 48khz esc fw and bf 4.1.x. I had probably 50 packs through the mob6 before I did the laps on it and the same goes for the th2. Beleave me (I know you don't) the th2 is the better Quad and will outlast the mob6.
@@danman7665 If you don't believe TweetFPV, do the test yourself record your results.
Love your channel and content but not the 40 second intro.
I was just trying something different. Thanks for the input.
@@TweetFPV No worries, subbed and liked 👍
@@stevenkelby2169 thank you!
Sure, happymodel was crap in the past, so all of their current stuff must be as well... 🤪 No issues whatsoever here.
Anyways, put this mob6 on the mob7 v2 frame and do a fair comparison. It will blow the TH out of the water...
Well thier current aio smoked on first arming and my replacement board's Vtx has already died. I know this is a sample size of two but it certainly doesn't look good.
TweetFPV hmm ok, then it makes sense. I’ve seen people simply assume it’s shit, based on history. I guess that’s not you 😊
But still, 65mm vs 75mm is a bit unfair 😋
you are right, It isn't a fair comparison but unfortunately they are being marketed against each other. I have been flying the crap out of both of the quads. I am finding areas where the mob6 is better than the TH2 and vise-versa. In the build quality comparison i still stand behind the TH2 being a clear winner in that area.
Mobula 6 is better more stable & power
DO NOT BUY IT The Tinyhawk II !!! unlike the first models it cannot be disassembled (unless you want to unsolder 20 cables and reweld them). I broke the RX antenna and had to throw it away. It is made on purpose to buy it back
Had to throw it away? Emax started soldering the connectors because of performance issues derived from using motor connectors. Yes it does make this quad MUCH more difficult to work on in the end.
@@TweetFPV .Great review, I'm sorry to bother you and your channel. Just want to let everybody know what they are buying. I did not have any performance issues with my previous tinyhawk, the tinyhawk S. Those little racing guys need to be fixed quite often, but with the Tiny II will be very easy to damage it while trying to fix it, Anyway i really love how this whoop flyes(very stable and much more enjoyable than the Mobula 6)
tiny hawk terrible my mob 6 is best