Subscription-based paywalls for features the car has standard are insanity and people should absolutely not put up with it. They're trying to see if they can get away with it.
They will get away with it because manufacturers are targeting a 3 year lease/trade cycle and that's what a lot of new car buyers expect now. 3 years gives the original buyer the feature for "free" and then the subscription will hit the used car buyer, providing revenue on the second purchase that would never have come to the manufacturer before.
Its a trend that goes far beyond just cars. I think TV studios and channels are the worst. Selective programming where you're forced to get a subscription to watch their shows. You can quickly go bankrupt collecting subscription to every new network show you want to watch. I'll just wait 5 years for it to come out on Netflix, and keep the one.
@@StealthyAviator tbh a lot of these “cheaper” vehicles are only worth it in its mid to lower trims. Once u reach the highest trim it’s just too much $ to be paying for this
Subscription services on a car that is as inspiring as cinder block is a kick in the nuts . Good on you for calling Toyota out of this ridiculous practice .
I appreciate all the subscription jokes because it’s insane. I would understand the subscription for starting your car with your phone or your smart watch. Your key fob though! That’s insane and I hope Toyota watches this and can make a change. I’ve loved Toyota for years I’ve owned 5 and currently own 2 if this continue I would look at other brands for my next new car. I don’t want basic services put behind a paywall.
heads up man, their all gonna start doing this. because modern civilization is so addicted to their phones the smart elites who seldom touch a smartphone or social media are gonna try to push this until it becomes the norm. it makes me appreciate my 97 tacoma even more than i already do
Ford seems to be the only company doing this stuff right. Apparently there has been such massive backlash about this subscription they are 'reevaluating' ' it
Toyota responded if you have the advanced radio then it's a free 10 year sub.... And basically they programmed it like it was coming from an app on the key fob instead of just starting the car. Which they now realize is dumb
Thank you for keeping it real and putting Toyota on blast. I was seriously considering buying this for my 14 year old now to pass off as a hand me down but y’all helped me make my decision… I think the Mazda CX-30 will be better for us. THANKS TSP!!!
you’re going to be very impressed with the CX-30 if you haven’t had the opportunity to spend some time in one yet. they are leagues nicer than any of the competition.
It’s not a car I would buy for myself, but when the hybrid model comes out that will be the one to buy. Unless Toyota makes the battery a subscription.
I just today did an oil change on my daughter’s Prius c. There was ZERO rust under that car-I was stunned. The sound dampening “caulk” was applied with absolute precision-I’ve never seen it done so well. This is in a ~10YO cheapie car with >100k miles!! Longevity is the point of a Toyota, not cutting edge features. This Corolla Cross should have the Prius awd drivetrain as standard.
I live in Ohio. My 2009 Toyota Yaris, which I've owned since new, is also in superb condition. There's some minor surface rusting on mechanical components if you crouch down and look underneath the car. But the body of the car itself, including all painted area, have zero rust. Zero! Not even a trace of it in areas that you'd expect to see rust, like the bottoms of doors or on the rockers. Oh, I've only needed to take this car to the mechanic once ever, and it was for brake work. I can't see myself owning anything but Toyotas.
Meanwhile, I’ve been forced into using a 2019 rav 4, and with just 8000km on the dial everything electronic related to the brakes has failed. I’m now in a ‘21 Camry and the front bumper cladding is already separating, and the seat occupant sensors have failed. I love older Toyotas because they really are tanks, but their newer crap is exactly that: crap
@@hamsterama idk man... my 09 rusted terribly. If yours is in good shape then I suggest fluid filming it. Look up yaris world and rust. You'll see the spots where rust is common. In my case the rust on the pass side rocker panel did it
@@chrisE815 I've never seen a Yaris here with rust. Not saying there aren't any, but I've personally never seen it. I wonder if your state uses that nasty brine stuff or some other type of de-icing chemical. Those can be worse on cars than salt. Anyway, thanks for the tips about fluid filming, rust, and the Yaris World forum! My car is in great shape, and I plan to have it for many more years.
Thank you for standing up for consumers' rights. Subscriptions for stuff that is already built into the car itself shouldn't be a thing. That subscription model is a plague that became popular in gaming and is spreading out to everything. Also, nice edit at 11:21.
As much as I like Toyota and have owned several, the “subscription to the key fob” is a deal breaker for me. I’m so sorry they have made this decision, while they have a great product, they lost my $$$’s with that deal. What are they thinking? Toyota, you turned GM greedy on us!
Greetings from Australia the home of the venerable Holden Commodores and Ford Falcons that are sadly no longer made. My 2013 VF Sv6 Sportswagon in dark Green Regal Peacock had remote start direct from key fob as a standard feature 9 years ago. It works from up to 100 metres away and transponder even works in concrete basements in shopping centres! Also other things standard like blind spot warning lights in mirrors self park and reverse traffic alert. To this day still have this car with 140k on the clock and still runs and drives like brand new car. Best thing no subscriptions or hack able internet connectivity! Will preserve this car as a piece of Australian Automotive history.
In all seriousness, after watching this I can see cars starting to come out in one trim with all the tech already available on the car. You just have to subscribe to different packages to get the features you want. That’s gonna suck.
Shop competitors. Unless they ALL do this method (which is possible, big companies scheme together), someone will be pulling in the competition by not trying to squeeze long term money out BS subscription services for basic features.
Dodge is good about that. You can get all the same tech options in the base model as you would in a hellcat. But dodge doesn't really have much tech outside the power train
@@sumSOTY Look at the software world. It used to be that things were either free or for a one time payment you got a perpetual license. Now, almost productivity applications like Office or the Adobe stuff is subscription only. The beancounters are winning.
It’s a COROLLA. Of course it’s going to be slow. (If it was anymore powerful, it would be a RAV4.)The Subaru Crosstrek has the some engine and horsepower. I’m happy with my decision to upgrade from the Corolla sedan to the Cross. I wanted a little more trunk space, and to sit higher. I’m not towing anything. I never have passengers in my car. The FWD model seems like a great option with snow tires for the winter.
Good to hear you like it. I will be interested to test drive one when it arrives in the U.K. where it will only come as a Hybrid. I'm looking for a replacement for my Golf and was interested in the Corolla until I sat in one. Too low for my liking. Of course in the U.K. this will be close to top of their range. I doubt whether you get cars like the Aygo Cross which are already in our Toyota showrooms.
In the first and second generations, yes, it kinda was. But since the second gen ended production in 2005 it has grown considerably. It's now about the size of the second/third gen 4runner.
I have an XLE with AWD, and it felt slow for a while. It took driving it more than 500 miles, to get it to stop feeling sluggish. It gets up to speed no issue now. It zoomsss
Joining with every comment here on commending you on blasting Toyota for this. Good on you guys. This could be a slippery slope of every manufacturer wanted to milk the everloving s*it out of their cars, even an econobox like this one.
It's worth noting the Corolla Cross has both direct AND port injection, meaning it will probably have no troubles with carbon buildup unlike the Crosstrek and many others.
It has a garbag/budget belt/chain design CVT though. Better drive it like a grandmother & change that transmission fluid every 30K if you expect it to last more than 100-120K miles. Also, some 100% GDI engine designs are designed to prevent carbon buildup even without port injection - Thus, it depends on specific brand/design. It's also worth nothing that the Toyota combo direct & port injection engines have some other issues associated with them, as TNGA (latest-gen) Corolla hatch/sedan owners are already discovering now. My personal (2020 model year) experience is that Toyota these days doesn't design/build them like they used to.
Mazda CX 30 for the interior and power as it has a bigger engine. But Toyota cross for reliability (tested through time), price, and if you want to save fuel. Both cars are safe and great. At the end of the day, always choose what suits your NEED.
when i see people complaining about how slow/sluggish/not performance orientated a car is that isnt trying to be a performance car i immediately click off the video. they clearly have no desire to be in the car so why do i care what they have to say about it?
You are INCORRECT about the remote start. After the subscription ends you can't use the app to start the car but the remote start on the keyfob will work forever.
Realistically, most buyers will rarely accelerate to the max. Yes, more power can be good, but I have mostly had low powered cars in my 53 years of driving and have been able to learn how to deal with this. It's not that hard !
Thank you addressing the Remote start subscription! More and more companies are trying to make us "rent" everything and we as consumers need to take a stand against it.
You're beginning to sound like all car reviewer who spend too much time in expensive and fast cars; all of them! I wished i had 169hp in my car! Both my wife and i have a "slow" car according to reviewers but in real life, it's more than enough, except in a red light drag race!!! About them sunvisors: it's great to have them extend but i had those and still have and we've use them once or twice in 15 years, so not a deal breaker. I switch to a Toyota years ago and after more than 700000km with this brand, i wouldn't change; low maintenance cost after 300000k, went once to a dealer for a recall and that's it. Love your reviews anyway...keep it up!
I think you may be misinformed. I’m buying one of these and the dealer assured me the remote start is not a subscription on LE premium trim. The app however is subscription. May want to check out…
Cheap crossover that won’t crap the bed after 50K like the equivalent GM/Jeep products. I.E. This is a much better choice than an Equinox. Not mad at it. Would never be caught dead in one.
$26300 + freight and tax for AWD, heated seats, AndoidAuto/AppleCarplay, cloth, AC, Power windows, Cruise, hubcaps, 15+ year lifespan, and a physical key with power locks. Dude. That's perfect. Financing over 7 years is 3.5%. That's the everymoms/everymans car we all need. Disclaimer: I daily an FRS.
Instead of the Corolla Wagon, we're getting this. 😧 People complain about the lack of power in the 2L engine, why doesn't Toyota make the 2.4L an option?
They'll wait until people buy these, and then give it a power upgrade in about two years so people will "need" the new one. Your subscriptions will be ending soon too so might as well right? This is crass consumerism.
You guys didn't clarify this properly, the subscription is for the app services on the phone. The key fob 3x lock feature that starts the car is free for life. Do your homework guys. This is common knowledge.
They did. I owned one, model year 1990, for 14 years until it finally wore out. One of my best cars ever. The new Cross looks an awful like the Toyota Corolla Matrix (aka Pontiac Vibe), with some updated trim.
@@rogerdeschner5242 I loved that wagon too! If Toyota made a wagon for the US market, it would probably be successful and then maybe Subaru might have to innovate since Toyota would produce a reliable cheap wagon which Subaru basically dominates
"That's a nice remote start ya got there. Be a shame if something happened to it. Tony the Fish here can keep it safe for a monthly fee. We'll also get to surveille you 24/7."
@@alwaysiyi272 this. Like how many crossovers do you need to f*cking sell? There’s practically no difference between this and a RAv 4? So I’m curious what’s going to go in the cutting block for no reason..
@@1Raunchy well this is a lot smaller than the RAV4, less premium, less features, not as plush, it doesn’t have many engines and so on, I’m guessing it’s for people who want a Corolla, but that’s hatch and sedan are too small. It’s just the same way the CX-30 Is to the Mazda 3 hatch and sedan
Toyota says triple clicking the fob to remote start is just an unofficial hack you can use as a workaround or for troubleshooting if you have cellular service issues. Toyota says proper way to use remote start is through the app. The key fob still connects to the same internal module that gets disabled when the subscription is inactive. That’s why remote start stops working without a subscription regardless of using the app or the fob.
I think you’re wrong on the “remote “ start issue. It depends On the stereo that you have. I don’t pay for any services and I still have remote start on my car! Push “lock” 3x and hold the 3rd time for about 3-4 seconds.
I pay $110/year for Subaru's Starlink Safety & Security Plus but that allows me to do a lot of stuff with a phone app, like start the car, adjust the climate, set off the alarm, locate the car, get vehicle fluid level updates, vehicle status information, maintenance updates, tire pressures, set service appointments, etc. It's a nice, modern feature that I'll gladly pay for. Paying for a subscription just to have your ugly, cheap key fob function as a remote starter is a different story. Talk about a robbery!!!!
toyota's already reviewing the key fob scenario. but how it came to be, is... dubious. supposedly, they've got a remote start via mobile app function, which is subscription based. But the computer that handles remote start in the car, was programmed to always check if the owner is subscribed, regardless of whether the signal to start comes via the internet from the mobile app, or directly from the key fob. which toyota's playing off as an oversight.
It was definitely planned from the start rather than an oversight. 100% they were gonna try to see the public's reaction to see if they could get away with it
As a former Toyota sales consultant, I fully support lambasting them over poor choices on the subscription services. However I can offer some perspective on why they might be doing this - the standard tech in all Toyotas (TSS) now includes "safety connect" (Toyota OnStar) which became standard in most 2019+ models. They are starting to get a lot of data from their first buyers on those models on whether or not they renew after the trial period. By keeping a more "top of mind" feature like remote start locked behind a paywall they can bring more attention to the "background", potentially life-saving subscription service when people go to renew. If they really wanted to make customers for life though they'd just make safety connect and remote start from your phone standard and non subscription-based. Do it, Toyota! We dare you!
IMO there needs to be a new international Bill Of Rights that protects people from the default surveillance and privacy intrusion that every manufacturer seems to be building into their products. Surveillance as a service should be a default "NO".
@@staceys1870 I haven't driven a Cross yet - I owned a 2020 Corolla Sedan and the highway noise was about the same as other cars in its class - I'd imagine the Cross will follow the same pattern. It's styled with Toyota's newer, boxier front end so I expect it to be noisier than the CH-R or other small crossovers like the Subaru Crosstrek. If highway driving is a significant part of your commute and you can afford it I'd recommend the RAV4 XLE Premium or Hybrid XLE instead!
I bought a Hyundai Sonata most recently as a silent form of protest against Toyota's boring designs and the remote connect. Also have 5 years of experience in the car industry, how about you? :) @@kelliebartlett9522
The best part with slow cars: you stick your right foot hard on the accelerator and you leave it there. Then you drive your car on the edge of its performance but you only go 50 kph. SAFE and FUN!!
That’s an obvious opinion coming from a Nissan owner. Jenko CVTs that Nissan use are horrendous. Luckily Toyota doesn’t have issues with their CVTS, Outside of the fact that it still drives like a CVT.
@@andrewward4246 most folks that bash the Subaru CVT have never driven one, let alone owned one. I recently bought a Crosstrek Limited with the 2.5 liter Boxer motor. Drove it 550 miles each way on a small vacation trip without ever remotely questioning my purchase and got 34 mpg running 75 - 80 mph. I've owned a boatload of automatics in the last 35+ years. If I want speed I'll hop in the 6-speed GS Corvette. 🤣
Who does Toyota think they are? The only reason to buy a Carolla or Camry is the low cost of ownership which is gone once they start nickel-and-diming their buyers for hanging onto their vehicles long term. They’re hoping to exploit the loyalty of their fanatic customers and I’m hoping Toyota gets the finger instead.
I recently rented a normal Corolla for a trip of 3400kms in total. It's 1.8 was sufficient and the CVT not the worst in the business. It does what it is supposed to do. The fundamental are right. The seats are some of the best because after all those hours my back was not even sore which it usually is in most German luxury cars. Although, I must say that Mazda proves that reliability does not have to be so simple and boring.
Thank you for calling out Toyota for nickel and diming their customers with these aggravating feature subscriptions. Such practices should be met with the scorn that they deserve.
Boys, There is no way Alabama will ever build a better Matrix than Ontario. With mediocre fuel efficiency, performance and pricing this Cross makes the made in Canada RAV4 look like a deal.
This thing seems comparable with a Crosstrek or other Subaru wagon. The Crosstrek is usually a 2.slo/CVT. It makes less power than the Toyota. MPG can be excellent.
I had an FX35 and loved that car to death but I don’t miss the gas mileage. And btw, it wasn’t called the skyline crossover in Japan, it was still the FX. However, the Infiniti EX was called the Nissan Skyline Crossover in Japan.
I'm super disappointed by this! I was super excited to get this but given the terrible acceleration I might pass. They have the gall to charge for remote start??? Wild!!
I was excited for this car to come out as a cheap commuter but can't consider it since it uses the high security CAN bus and locks out OpenPilot. No go.
@@jeaninepena9559 you can buy a kit that will make many cars drive for you on highways. Search TH-cam for it, and you'll be amazed by how this kit lets you ride along for hours without needing to touch the wheel or pedals. Toyota is changing the way their safety systems work to prevent you from doing that, though. This is their fourth vehicle that only lets you use the Toyota system (which is not very good, comparatively speaking). Eventually, all of their cars will likely prevent aftermarket solutions, so this is just the beginning.
Remote installation is about $700 that is about 10 years of subscription - that also gives you other features. Not to mention messing up with wires. ALSO, those remotes off brand ask for, wait for it, subscription (if you want to use your phobe/smartwatch).
Do you guys know that this corolla has foot parking break here in Brazil? And the worst part is that it's very expensive here due to the economy of the country. So imagine that the corolla here is not a entry level car.
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Whats the song in the start of the video?
Isn’t the civic cross just the new integra ?
Guys. You are Canadians & Truecar is U.S only!!!! Why not get them to serve us Canucks or recommend a service for us???
What this suv needs is either to be a hybrid or even EV. Enough of these weak fuel-efficient engines that take the fun out of highway driving!
1985: "We're going to have flying cars!"
2021: "I had to jailbreak my Corolla so I could start it in the winter."
Well done.
Flying cars would be so stupid in reality
😂😂 😂
Underrated comment
Flying car did and does exist...
Régulations are preventing masd marketing of that product
Subscription-based paywalls for features the car has standard are insanity and people should absolutely not put up with it. They're trying to see if they can get away with it.
They will get away with it because manufacturers are targeting a 3 year lease/trade cycle and that's what a lot of new car buyers expect now. 3 years gives the original buyer the feature for "free" and then the subscription will hit the used car buyer, providing revenue on the second purchase that would never have come to the manufacturer before.
@@AlvinBrinson so if you always buy new you won’t have to pay a subscription right?
@@RamBroGom you don’t have to in general lol IMO remote start is just a first world necessity
Its a trend that goes far beyond just cars. I think TV studios and channels are the worst. Selective programming where you're forced to get a subscription to watch their shows. You can quickly go bankrupt collecting subscription to every new network show you want to watch. I'll just wait 5 years for it to come out on Netflix, and keep the one.
According to my dealer Toyota has rescinded the subscription requirement. ??
One of the rare cases where manufacturer gave a mid-trim for car review.
It's fair though, the majority will most likely purchase the trim around the mid trim, so this was more representative of the majority's reality.
@@StealthyAviator tbh a lot of these “cheaper” vehicles are only worth it in its mid to lower trims. Once u reach the highest trim it’s just too much $ to be paying for this
@@Carfan678 overlapped pricing, you could say that with just about every vehicles
I got a midrange yaris too when i filmed it for my TH-cam channel :)
It’s like they know it sucks hahaha
Subscription services on a car that is as inspiring as cinder block is a kick in the nuts . Good on you for calling Toyota out of this ridiculous practice .
Last I heard Toyota backed out
I appreciate all the subscription jokes because it’s insane. I would understand the subscription for starting your car with your phone or your smart watch. Your key fob though! That’s insane and I hope Toyota watches this and can make a change. I’ve loved Toyota for years I’ve owned 5 and currently own 2 if this continue I would look at other brands for my next new car. I don’t want basic services put behind a paywall.
heads up man, their all gonna start doing this. because modern civilization is so addicted to their phones the smart elites who seldom touch a smartphone or social media are gonna try to push this until it becomes the norm. it makes me appreciate my 97 tacoma even more than i already do
@@nastystew6942 I pointed out all the ridiculous app stuff in my long term e63 review
Ford seems to be the only company doing this stuff right. Apparently there has been such massive backlash about this subscription they are 'reevaluating' ' it
When you pay over 40k (plus any dealer markup) then you gotta sub to it. Absolute garbage practice from just a same looking car. Wtf
Toyota responded if you have the advanced radio then it's a free 10 year sub.... And basically they programmed it like it was coming from an app on the key fob instead of just starting the car. Which they now realize is dumb
I love these guys - a straight up honest review, and not some salesman trying to make mediocre features seem absolutely amazing
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Thank you for keeping it real and putting Toyota on blast. I was seriously considering buying this for my 14 year old now to pass off as a hand me down but y’all helped me make my decision… I think the Mazda CX-30 will be better for us. THANKS TSP!!!
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@@TheStraightPipes will do, thanks 🙏
you’re going to be very impressed with the CX-30 if you haven’t had the opportunity to spend some time in one yet. they are leagues nicer than any of the competition.
@@heliumhunterr there’s a reason Toyota is the number car maker
Plz go with the Mazda, they’re honestly so beautiful
It’s not a car I would buy for myself, but when the hybrid model comes out that will be the one to buy. Unless Toyota makes the battery a subscription.
Dmsmsmsksksksjfjdj the battery a subscription plssss🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I would have bought this model but in my country they only got the hybrid. For a car this cheap I want a naturally aspirated engine
@@exia41gundam
Toyota hybrids are naturally aspirated. There's no turbos.
The hybrid batteries already are subscription-based. Every 10 years or so you have to make another payment of $2500 to replace it.
@@nodak81
Mine's 13 years old and has 394,000 miles on it.
Age does play a bigger role than miles
I love your "real" car reviews, cars that normal people drive.
I just today did an oil change on my daughter’s Prius c. There was ZERO rust under that car-I was stunned. The sound dampening “caulk” was applied with absolute precision-I’ve never seen it done so well. This is in a ~10YO cheapie car with >100k miles!!
Longevity is the point of a Toyota, not cutting edge features.
This Corolla Cross should have the Prius awd drivetrain as standard.
I live in Ohio. My 2009 Toyota Yaris, which I've owned since new, is also in superb condition. There's some minor surface rusting on mechanical components if you crouch down and look underneath the car. But the body of the car itself, including all painted area, have zero rust. Zero! Not even a trace of it in areas that you'd expect to see rust, like the bottoms of doors or on the rockers. Oh, I've only needed to take this car to the mechanic once ever, and it was for brake work. I can't see myself owning anything but Toyotas.
Meanwhile, I’ve been forced into using a 2019 rav 4, and with just 8000km on the dial everything electronic related to the brakes has failed. I’m now in a ‘21 Camry and the front bumper cladding is already separating, and the seat occupant sensors have failed. I love older Toyotas because they really are tanks, but their newer crap is exactly that: crap
Bro Toyota aint as good as it use to be
@@hamsterama idk man... my 09 rusted terribly. If yours is in good shape then I suggest fluid filming it. Look up yaris world and rust. You'll see the spots where rust is common. In my case the rust on the pass side rocker panel did it
@@chrisE815 I've never seen a Yaris here with rust. Not saying there aren't any, but I've personally never seen it. I wonder if your state uses that nasty brine stuff or some other type of de-icing chemical. Those can be worse on cars than salt. Anyway, thanks for the tips about fluid filming, rust, and the Yaris World forum! My car is in great shape, and I plan to have it for many more years.
As a guy from southeast asia, I'm stoked to watch a straight pipes video about a car I can actually relate to
What up southeast Asia!
@@TheStraightPipes you guys got subscription i think we don't have one in asia also do you guys got the hybrid?
Yes we have hybrid Corolla cross in Indonesia
They call it Toyota Vehicle Telematics System aka VTS in Malaysia. Only FoC for the first 3 years.
Thank you for standing up for consumers' rights. Subscriptions for stuff that is already built into the car itself shouldn't be a thing. That subscription model is a plague that became popular in gaming and is spreading out to everything. Also, nice edit at 11:21.
Rightfully clowning on Toyota's attempt to move into the subscription service model. 😀
As much as I like Toyota and have owned several, the “subscription to the key fob” is a deal breaker for me. I’m so sorry they have made this decision, while they have a great product, they lost my $$$’s with that deal. What are they thinking? Toyota, you turned GM greedy on us!
Boo hoo
They are reconsidering it now
Bro you don’t need remote start lol
It's been rescinded.
All you have to do is not pay for the subscription lolz.
They are backtracking in the remote start subscription thing lol
Let’s hope!
They should , it’s a complete joke . Toyota does a lot of great things but subscription is dumb
They wanted to see if they could get away with it
Greetings from Australia the home of the venerable Holden Commodores and Ford Falcons that are sadly no longer made. My 2013 VF Sv6 Sportswagon in dark Green Regal Peacock had remote start direct from key fob as a standard feature 9 years ago. It works from up to 100 metres away and transponder even works in concrete basements in shopping centres! Also other things standard like blind spot warning lights in mirrors self park and reverse traffic alert. To this day still have this car with 140k on the clock and still runs and drives like brand new car. Best thing no subscriptions or hack able internet connectivity! Will preserve this car as a piece of Australian Automotive history.
In all seriousness, after watching this I can see cars starting to come out in one trim with all the tech already available on the car. You just have to subscribe to different packages to get the features you want. That’s gonna suck.
@Smdn Snnd you’ll also lose your warranty then
Shop competitors. Unless they ALL do this method (which is possible, big companies scheme together), someone will be pulling in the competition by not trying to squeeze long term money out BS subscription services for basic features.
Car companies will start communicating with EA to make sure they're doing it right.
Dodge is good about that. You can get all the same tech options in the base model as you would in a hellcat. But dodge doesn't really have much tech outside the power train
@@sumSOTY Look at the software world. It used to be that things were either free or for a one time payment you got a perpetual license. Now, almost productivity applications like Office or the Adobe stuff is subscription only. The beancounters are winning.
It’s a COROLLA. Of course it’s going to be slow. (If it was anymore powerful, it would be a RAV4.)The Subaru Crosstrek has the some engine and horsepower. I’m happy with my decision to upgrade from the Corolla sedan to the Cross. I wanted a little more trunk space, and to sit higher. I’m not towing anything. I never have passengers in my car. The FWD model seems like a great option with snow tires for the winter.
Good to hear you like it. I will be interested to test drive one when it arrives in the U.K. where it will only come as a Hybrid. I'm looking for a replacement for my Golf and was interested in the Corolla until I sat in one. Too low for my liking. Of course in the U.K. this will be close to top of their range. I doubt whether you get cars like the Aygo Cross which are already in our Toyota showrooms.
So does that mean my subscription to straight pipes is only good for 3 years
Yes but it auto renews for 3 years
Corolla driver moments before a crash: "Oh boy, I hope I remembered to pay the air bag subscription."
Lol 😂
I always thought of the RAV4 as the Corolla Cross to begin with.
Isn't the CHR already the cross.....
Dont know why toyota even make this
@@MonicaHolly143 Other manufacturers proved that slicing the SUV pie as thin as possible works because people buy them.
There is a subscription you have to pay before you can bring up the RAV4 is built on the same Corolla platform.
In the first and second generations, yes, it kinda was. But since the second gen ended production in 2005 it has grown considerably. It's now about the size of the second/third gen 4runner.
@Raphael he’s right the new rav4 is pretty big now obviously not 4 runner big but still bigger than the Corolla
I have an XLE with AWD, and it felt slow for a while. It took driving it more than 500 miles, to get it to stop feeling sluggish. It gets up to speed no issue now. It zoomsss
great. Mine is coming a couple of weeks. These guys who complain about speed have no clue about what this car is about.
Can’t wait for the upcoming Sequoia sedan!
I heard it was gonna be a coupe 🤣
RWD, V8
if people start paying for that remote start subscription, next is "subscribe to have access to your reverse camera"
Came from Yuri’s live
@yuritereshyn
Whoever thought it up and every person up the food chain that approved the subscription key fob should be fired.
Joining with every comment here on commending you on blasting Toyota for this. Good on you guys. This could be a slippery slope of every manufacturer wanted to milk the everloving s*it out of their cars, even an econobox like this one.
Could we say that the first “Cross” was the Isuzu Vehi-Cross? That wasn’t exactly a crossover but instead a small SUV.
There was the Taurus X also.
Kids came from Yuri's live stream, legends obviously had their notifications on...
Notification gang
It's worth noting the Corolla Cross has both direct AND port injection, meaning it will probably have no troubles with carbon buildup unlike the Crosstrek and many others.
It has a garbag/budget belt/chain design CVT though. Better drive it like a grandmother & change that transmission fluid every 30K if you expect it to last more than 100-120K miles. Also, some 100% GDI engine designs are designed to prevent carbon buildup even without port injection - Thus, it depends on specific brand/design. It's also worth nothing that the Toyota combo direct & port injection engines have some other issues associated with them, as TNGA (latest-gen) Corolla hatch/sedan owners are already discovering now. My personal (2020 model year) experience is that Toyota these days doesn't design/build them like they used to.
I'm a little disappointed they didn't take the regular corolla hatch, plump it up and give it a mild lift and call it a Matrix.
Looking at this video just increase my love for the simplicity of my old FJ 🔑
i wish you guys keep box test for normal car like this
Mazda CX 30 for the interior and power as it has a bigger engine. But Toyota cross for reliability (tested through time), price, and if you want to save fuel. Both cars are safe and great. At the end of the day, always choose what suits your NEED.
when i see people complaining about how slow/sluggish/not performance orientated a car is that isnt trying to be a performance car i immediately click off the video. they clearly have no desire to be in the car so why do i care what they have to say about it?
We're assessing every part of the car. It's clearly not a deal breaker
A slow ass car is dangerous, I sure as heck don't want to be in one. These guys helped save me the hassle, keep up the good work.
Coz you toyota fanboi
@@thespeakersreview99 why on earth would i be a fanboy of toyota that literally makes no sense at all.
Great review, as always. I would type more but I am only subscribed for so many lette
Way to bust Toyota's chops about subscriptions! This info is exactly what I am looking for. Thank you!
You are INCORRECT about the remote start. After the subscription ends you can't use the app to start the car but the remote start on the keyfob will work forever.
That’s not what the people in charge of Toyota Canada told us
This car sounds like an April fools joke
Realistically, most buyers will rarely accelerate to the max. Yes, more power can be good, but I have mostly had low powered cars in my 53 years of driving and have been able to learn how to deal with this. It's not that hard !
Thank you addressing the Remote start subscription! More and more companies are trying to make us "rent" everything and we as consumers need to take a stand against it.
I wish we could but our society loves renting everything from apartments to cars to cable and even software. It's only going to get worse not better.
I just figured out I had remote start thanks to you guys! It’s been 2 years
You probably only have 1 year left 😂 jk but maybe
@@TheStraightPipes no deadass I probably do sadly have one year left😂😂 damn
Totally agree the subscription service for remote start is ridiculous. Not a fan of CVT either.
Here in canada thats why I got the LE trim for corolla and just put aftermarket remote starter just like every other car.
I stopped the video at CVT. jk
Toyota has a 10 year trial for remote start for all models and trims!!
Not for all models. Only selected models and specific years.
They could've made a Corolla Wagon instead. The Corolla Touring Sports with a bit of cladding would do well in Canada at least.
You see golf wagons every street in Montreal, another offering from a non luxury brand would obviously work !
…and no one would buy it.
They make a Corolla wagon in Japan, and it looks insane. So much want!
A jacked up AWD wagon with the 6 speed manual would be a hoot! Like a mini-Outback.
@@GHinWI exactly, there's a reason why they're not offering it
Every time I see this car I just think: why is this not the Matrix?
You're beginning to sound like all car reviewer who spend too much time in expensive and fast cars; all of them! I wished i had 169hp in my car! Both my wife and i have a "slow" car according to reviewers but in real life, it's more than enough, except in a red light drag race!!! About them sunvisors: it's great to have them extend but i had those and still have and we've use them once or twice in 15 years, so not a deal breaker. I switch to a Toyota years ago and after more than 700000km with this brand, i wouldn't change; low maintenance cost after 300000k, went once to a dealer for a recall and that's it. Love your reviews anyway...keep it up!
This! Just came here from ""everyday driver"" and they were testing an SRT Durango and a GLS63 🤦🏼♂️
I love the cup holders in my 2022 honda hrv sport lol
Toyota is not built for speed... it's built for reliability that why they're still number one in selling cars...
True, but my RAV4 can speed up a little bit when i hit the sports mode. 😂
I think you may be misinformed. I’m buying one of these and the dealer assured me the remote start is not a subscription on LE premium trim. The app however is subscription. May want to check out…
no more box test boys? Haven't seen it on the past few SUV videos.
Aside from the actual content. I love the beat selection 💯
Thanks for making the case for the Honda Civic hatchback.
this car is basically a 2nd gen Honda CR-V in 2022. same power, similar torque, AWD.
I think the CVT is what kills the fun.
Every time they mention toyota's subscription stuff, I will literally exhale.
Me: 💀
Cheap crossover that won’t crap the bed after 50K like the equivalent GM/Jeep products. I.E. This is a much better choice than an Equinox. Not mad at it. Would never be caught dead in one.
I'm not a super huge fan of this car, but the hybrid version of this coming in 2023 should fix alot of the issues with the powertrain
$26300 + freight and tax for AWD, heated seats, AndoidAuto/AppleCarplay, cloth, AC, Power windows, Cruise, hubcaps, 15+ year lifespan, and a physical key with power locks. Dude. That's perfect. Financing over 7 years is 3.5%. That's the everymoms/everymans car we all need.
Disclaimer: I daily an FRS.
Instead of the Corolla Wagon, we're getting this. 😧 People complain about the lack of power in the 2L engine, why doesn't Toyota make the 2.4L an option?
They'll wait until people buy these, and then give it a power upgrade in about two years so people will "need" the new one. Your subscriptions will be ending soon too so might as well right? This is crass consumerism.
You guys didn't clarify this properly, the subscription is for the app services on the phone. The key fob 3x lock feature that starts the car is free for life. Do your homework guys. This is common knowledge.
One of the best reviews in recent times, love the roast of a live service model! 🤣🤣
I just wish Toyota would make a Corolla wagon. A reliable and somewhat inexpensive wagon would be great!
@@daniel-ino it has a fuckin cvt tho
They did. I owned one, model year 1990, for 14 years until it finally wore out. One of my best cars ever. The new Cross looks an awful like the Toyota Corolla Matrix (aka Pontiac Vibe), with some updated trim.
@@rogerdeschner5242 I loved that wagon too! If Toyota made a wagon for the US market, it would probably be successful and then maybe Subaru might have to innovate since Toyota would produce a reliable cheap wagon which Subaru basically dominates
"That's a nice remote start ya got there. Be a shame if something happened to it. Tony the Fish here can keep it safe for a monthly fee. We'll also get to surveille you 24/7."
This car to me feels like the eclipse cross it’s changing something we’ve been used to it’s not changing much but it’s still a big change
Well you see the eclipse is the only one that exits, the Corolla hatchback and sedan would still continue to exist
@@alwaysiyi272 this. Like how many crossovers do you need to f*cking sell? There’s practically no difference between this and a RAv 4? So I’m curious what’s going to go in the cutting block for no reason..
@@1Raunchy well this is a lot smaller than the RAV4, less premium, less features, not as plush, it doesn’t have many engines and so on, I’m guessing it’s for people who want a Corolla, but that’s hatch and sedan are too small. It’s just the same way the CX-30 Is to the Mazda 3 hatch and sedan
@@alwaysiyi272 yeh that’s the big difference but it still feels inorganic
Eclipse Cross is actually is a great vehicle compared to this POS
Toyota says triple clicking the fob to remote start is just an unofficial hack you can use as a workaround or for troubleshooting if you have cellular service issues.
Toyota says proper way to use remote start is through the app. The key fob still connects to the same internal module that gets disabled when the subscription is inactive. That’s why remote start stops working without a subscription regardless of using the app or the fob.
I think you’re wrong on the “remote “ start issue. It depends On the stereo that you have. I don’t pay for any services and I still have remote start on my car! Push “lock” 3x and hold the 3rd time for about 3-4 seconds.
i subscribe to your sense of humor... your canadian accent... and tommy hortons.
0:54 Jakub, if you want I can let you drive my 86 hp Opel Corsa 😂
I owned an 88hp car
@@TheStraightPipes oh well 😂
I pay $110/year for Subaru's Starlink Safety & Security Plus but that allows me to do a lot of stuff with a phone app, like start the car, adjust the climate, set off the alarm, locate the car, get vehicle fluid level updates, vehicle status information, maintenance updates, tire pressures, set service appointments, etc. It's a nice, modern feature that I'll gladly pay for. Paying for a subscription just to have your ugly, cheap key fob function as a remote starter is a different story. Talk about a robbery!!!!
When Toyota expands their EV offerings you'll need to pay the subscription for Fast Charging and to unlock 50% of the total battery capacity.
No you will need to subscribe to have it charged
Good on you guys for being against the subscription crap!
toyota's already reviewing the key fob scenario. but how it came to be, is... dubious. supposedly, they've got a remote start via mobile app function, which is subscription based. But the computer that handles remote start in the car, was programmed to always check if the owner is subscribed, regardless of whether the signal to start comes via the internet from the mobile app, or directly from the key fob. which toyota's playing off as an oversight.
It was definitely planned from the start rather than an oversight. 100% they were gonna try to see the public's reaction to see if they could get away with it
13:14 Ngl that civic cross looks awesome
That music in the start was soothing
As a former Toyota sales consultant, I fully support lambasting them over poor choices on the subscription services. However I can offer some perspective on why they might be doing this - the standard tech in all Toyotas (TSS) now includes "safety connect" (Toyota OnStar) which became standard in most 2019+ models. They are starting to get a lot of data from their first buyers on those models on whether or not they renew after the trial period. By keeping a more "top of mind" feature like remote start locked behind a paywall they can bring more attention to the "background", potentially life-saving subscription service when people go to renew. If they really wanted to make customers for life though they'd just make safety connect and remote start from your phone standard and non subscription-based. Do it, Toyota! We dare you!
IMO there needs to be a new international Bill Of Rights that protects people from the default surveillance and privacy intrusion that every manufacturer seems to be building into their products.
Surveillance as a service should be a default "NO".
Thomas, I am going from a Taco to to a Cross. Will the loudness be the same at highway speeds?
@@staceys1870 I haven't driven a Cross yet - I owned a 2020 Corolla Sedan and the highway noise was about the same as other cars in its class - I'd imagine the Cross will follow the same pattern. It's styled with Toyota's newer, boxier front end so I expect it to be noisier than the CH-R or other small crossovers like the Subaru Crosstrek. If highway driving is a significant part of your commute and you can afford it I'd recommend the RAV4 XLE Premium or Hybrid XLE instead!
This guy is the exact reason why TH-cam has a thumbs down button. What BS..
I bought a Hyundai Sonata most recently as a silent form of protest against Toyota's boring designs and the remote connect. Also have 5 years of experience in the car industry, how about you? :) @@kelliebartlett9522
If Toyota is reading this, this subscription thing just shows us you care more about money then creating good products
The best part with slow cars: you stick your right foot hard on the accelerator and you leave it there. Then you drive your car on the edge of its performance but you only go 50 kph. SAFE and FUN!!
The backend of this thing looks like my 99 sienna minivan.
came from the live,knew it would be this car
Yay
Thr Subaru Crosstrek has the same subscription service for the remote start.
I can never imagine buying one of these. I lived with Nissan Rogue CVT for over 4 years and I'm done with CVTs.
That’s an obvious opinion coming from a Nissan owner. Jenko CVTs that Nissan use are horrendous. Luckily Toyota doesn’t have issues with their CVTS, Outside of the fact that it still drives like a CVT.
Agree I’ll never buy a cvt. Subaru even rebranded their cvt to try and make more people buy the auto. Lol
@@pt93music not to mention.., they borrow their transmissions from Renault
@@jonlosito2004 well, yeah… Renault owns Nissan.
@@andrewward4246 most folks that bash the Subaru CVT have never driven one, let alone owned one. I recently bought a Crosstrek Limited with the 2.5 liter Boxer motor. Drove it 550 miles each way on a small vacation trip without ever remotely questioning my purchase and got 34 mpg running 75 - 80 mph. I've owned a boatload of automatics in the last 35+ years. If I want speed I'll hop in the 6-speed GS Corvette. 🤣
Loved the sarcasm about the subscription! Thank you for calling the bs!! 😂😂😂😅
It would be great if you could announce the fuel economy performance as well as the horse power and torque numbers.
You like it or not, it's up to you. No pressure.
as a matrix owner this looks like it feels the exact same
Oh no no no. The Matrix is a station wagon type thing based on the Corolla, while this is a ….
Who does Toyota think they are? The only reason to buy a Carolla or Camry is the low cost of ownership which is gone once they start nickel-and-diming their buyers for hanging onto their vehicles long term. They’re hoping to exploit the loyalty of their fanatic customers and I’m hoping Toyota gets the finger instead.
I recently rented a normal Corolla for a trip of 3400kms in total. It's 1.8 was sufficient and the CVT not the worst in the business. It does what it is supposed to do. The fundamental are right. The seats are some of the best because after all those hours my back was not even sore which it usually is in most German luxury cars. Although, I must say that Mazda proves that reliability does not have to be so simple and boring.
The subscription jokes never got old because you were clearly having fun with it.
Thank you for calling out Toyota for nickel and diming their customers with these aggravating feature subscriptions. Such practices should be met with the scorn that they deserve.
Boys, There is no way Alabama will ever build a better Matrix than Ontario. With mediocre fuel efficiency, performance and pricing this Cross makes the made in Canada RAV4 look like a deal.
This thing seems comparable with a Crosstrek or other Subaru wagon. The Crosstrek is usually a 2.slo/CVT. It makes less power than the Toyota. MPG can be excellent.
Was staring at your in-focus mitts on the steering wheel the entire video. Didn't even mind.
8:16 I believe the first car to ever do this was the Infiniti EX, as in Japan it was called the Nissan Skyline Crossover
I had an FX35 and loved that car to death but I don’t miss the gas mileage. And btw, it wasn’t called the skyline crossover in Japan, it was still the FX. However, the Infiniti EX was called the Nissan Skyline Crossover in Japan.
@@Eldomibori ah, ok, I always mix those two up, I’ll have to fix my comment
That exhaust killed me what the hell
I'm super disappointed by this! I was super excited to get this but given the terrible acceleration I might pass. They have the gall to charge for remote start??? Wild!!
Given the terrible acceleration you actually WON'T be able to pass ;)
Apart from the CX-30 turbo this has one of the more powerful engines in its class
@@alwaysiyi272 there’s also the Bronco Sport with the 4 cylinder turbo
Nobody cares what you think about the remote start, Karen. And it’s a Corolla, not a race car.
And a dated looking entertainment system that looks like it was designed in Linux from 1994.
Actually i love the analog buttons over the all touchscreen, safety hazard, nonsense... And heated steeringwheel is a VERY nice feature to have!
I was excited for this car to come out as a cheap commuter but can't consider it since it uses the high security CAN bus and locks out OpenPilot. No go.
What does that mean?? 😳 I like this car but I’m debating now lol
@@jeaninepena9559 you can buy a kit that will make many cars drive for you on highways. Search TH-cam for it, and you'll be amazed by how this kit lets you ride along for hours without needing to touch the wheel or pedals. Toyota is changing the way their safety systems work to prevent you from doing that, though. This is their fourth vehicle that only lets you use the Toyota system (which is not very good, comparatively speaking). Eventually, all of their cars will likely prevent aftermarket solutions, so this is just the beginning.
Remote installation is about $700 that is about 10 years of subscription - that also gives you other features. Not to mention messing up with wires. ALSO, those remotes off brand ask for, wait for it, subscription (if you want to use your phobe/smartwatch).
Do you guys know that this corolla has foot parking break here in Brazil? And the worst part is that it's very expensive here due to the economy of the country. So imagine that the corolla here is not a entry level car.