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9:54 I find this scene so funny because while Cal and Cere have this intricate dialogue Greez just keeps pouring his spice onto his meal. I remember very vividly how I audibly laughed as he wouldn‘t stop 😂
I think it was his salt. He has a salt and pepper shaker and Cal even mentions this in Survivor when you look at the shelf with Fallen Order “call backs”
ultimately I think Fallen Order is the more enjoyable game. Mainly because In my opinion the Story of Survivor is not very interesting. Its not terrible, but I found myself just uninteressted quite a lot of times. I must also say, that I think Fallen Order looks better then Suvivor. Maybe because I played Survivor on low setting and Fallen Order on epic, but the atmosphere was just more intriguing in Fallen Order
The Bode bossfight connects really well with the Bogano vision. Bode asks Cal "When the Empire comes, will you be able to protect my daughter?" And Cal can't answer him. Cal knows he won't be able to resist the Empire if it comes to him with full force. The existence of Bode as a character makes it inevitable: The Empire will come to Tanalorr. That is why Cal destroyed the Holocron
For survivor spoilers… I had bode turning spoiled for me luckily though the thumbnail didn’t give away that he was a former Jedi so when the Band-Aid was ripped off, I still had something to be surprised about. hopefully when the third game comes out we will be able to get through it quickly before spoilers…
3:21 Basically the golden rule for any story. It’s not about what happens. It’s about why it matters. It’s a quote I from my favourite writing TH-camr I very much agree with. The characters make a story worthwhile. Sure, an interesting premise can hook you, but it cannot hold you. It cannot enthral you. Only good characters can.
I also think it’s important to notice gameplay wise, the “bare bones” feeling is important narratively because cal is simply remembering everything he learned as a very young padawan. It makes sense that we don’t use a varied amount of techniques but rather are mastering the basics of the Jedi arts
I didn’t think of it like that. The gameplay was one of my main issues with this game. The block and dodge didn’t work at times due to character animations. But storywise it does make sense.
@@DarthDuck404I really like Cal isn’t some special Jedi he was a regular padawan with no special ties or the secret apprentice of a high ranking master he was just an average one and grew into a hero through the story and sense of duty
Am I one of the few who thinks Fallen Order and Survivor are perfectly equal to each other? Each game has its own strengths but I really don't feel like one is clearly better than the other.
I feel like Survival is the perfect sequel to Fallen order. They are equally good (maybe survivor is a bit better but it’s not far) but you see and feel the progression of every character.
I like them both equally because no matter what they’re both better stories than the cinematic stuff coming out on disney plus and the failed movie trilogy. When the 3rd game finally comes out, the fallen order trilogy will be the REAL sequel trilogy. Its just a shame they’re video games and not movies. But that would also ruin them, because thats what happens to starwars stuff now. Either you’re into the games or the comics, The new watchable stuff doesn’t hold water. But this does. I can happily except Cal being the lead role protagonist that carries on the franchise going forward. Cameron did a great job in the role. We had Luke, and Aniken, But now we’re detaching from that family and getting a new story from a new perspective. We watched luke and aniken face the darkness, and now we’re seeing cal face his own trauma and darkness, through a different story. Shits gonna get real in the next game. Hoping Cal comes out the other side ok, and doesn’t lose everything and fall to the dark side, He could end up a villain, or he can stay on his righteous path. It can go either way. Thats whats so great about these games. There was no way in hell that Rae would have ever fell to the dark side and became a “vader” if some sort herself. Heck, she shouldn’t have even caught the light saber 😂 lol But with Cal, its would make sense and be far more natural.
The moments with Vader in this game are some of the best in the entire SW series. It’s always risky to bring in a legacy character into a prequel, but the devs nailed it. The sheer terror I felt in those moments while running from him had my heart racing and my hands sweating. I absolutely love this team for what they did with this game and Survivor. Some of the best SW we’ve had in decades.
5:14 Let’s not forget Merrin. … Nevermind, you spoke of her too. Personally, I think the way Cal got Merrin on their side is one of the most Jedi-things ever. Or at least, what a Jedi should be. Historically, their two fallen orders don’t really like each other. When they first meet, Cal tried to negotiate, but that’s cut short. Merrin is intent on stopping him, because of the lies Malicos had fed her. When the witches get raised from the dead, they’re both being hostile. But when Cal could really heals his trauma as much as he can, after his trip to Ilum, succeeded by his return to Dathomir (plus, you can hear force echo’s of Merrin), Cal immediately expresses kindness and understanding. He gives her his weapon. Making peace with your enemy and showing you mean no harm, letting her speak her mind and listening with care and understanding… That’s the compassion a Jedi should aspire to have. Although there was only a hint at a love story in FO, the game laid the groundwork for their relationship really well. This is probably my favourite enemies to lovers story arc. They have real chemistry and you can really understand why they would like each other and what makes them so close, even as friends.
33: Abilities were done amazingly well. Usefull in - traversal - puzzle - combat But also for the story: it makes sense why they are unlocked slowly abd it makes sense when you get them.
I can remember the skepticism around this game before its launch. Being an EA product. The first gameplay we got had the lightsaber looking a bit weird. This incomplete trilogy has thus far been some of the best Disney Star Wars.
One of my favorite games of all time. The story is perfect and the atmosphere the game creates is amazing. The planets arent as expansive as survivor's but i liked their design way more.
Imo outside of Koboh I liked the planets in Fallen Order over Survivor. I understand Koboh is basically multiple Fallen Order planets combined in terms of size and areas, but the planets in Fallen Order (Kashykk, Dathomir, Bogano, and Zeffo) is better than Jedda and the moon installation
I love the second game survivor, but truth be told I believe the first game is a bit better, because of how it handled the main villain and the Zeffo. My main issue with survivor is Bode(his reasons for staying “evil” in the end. At the end the empire wouldn’t be able to reach him and his family) and how the the story just drops the Zeffo stuff to the side(giving more attention to the high republic stuff).
I actually like bode staying evil because he infiltrated cals circle so what’s stopping someone else from doing it on a bigger operation (hidden path) and in the end Cal couldn’t promise that nothing would happen to Bodes daughter because he knows that you can’t guarantee safety with the empire.
@@hunternicholson9953 I never said I have a problem with him staying evil. Its his reasons that I have a problem with. Those were bad lines from both Cal & Bode Because he actually can guarantee that the empire won’t find that location without the device that leads to tanalor. Even if the empire tried to, any star cruiser would get blown apart. That’s a fact. Actually, I don’t think even Vader or the Emperor knows about this planet.
@@Steel-101 the problem is Cal was going to open Tanalor up to the hidden path. That means more then one ship would learn the way to Tanalor. The operation would grow bigger leading to more possible points of infiltration for spies. All it would take is the nav data from one of those ships to allow the empire fleet to find its way to Tanalor. Now Cal could take every precaution and maybe he does keep it safe but even he knows that if he gives it to the Hidden Path there is a chance they lose Tanalor. And Bode (like Anakin) can’t accept that chance.
I think there's a reasonable chance of the Empire finding Tanalorr, the Nihill found it after all. The planet is well hidden but eventually either someone gets captured and talks or the Empire starts noticing the amount of unusual activity in the system. An Inquisitor already killed Bode's wife so his fear is somewhat justified.
I think Bode was the embodiment of Anakin Skywalker in the game. Anakin fell out of fear of loosing Padme and his child(ren), none of them died prior to his becoming Darth Vader but it was the FEAR that led him to the path Bode had survived Order 66 AND watched his wife die. That is him seeing his family die 2 times. That's why he fully embraced the Dark Side - the death if Jedi and wife When he crumbled the walkway his daughter stood on to me that was the games way of saying "Bode fell to the Dark to save his family but it has fully taken over who he is, it is no longer to protect his love but for the love of power"
I myself shouted "f-- you" at Vader when I thought he had killed BD1, a rare visceral reaction to narrative moment in a video game, particularly as I love Vader as a character. Nice to see I wasn't alone.
I adore this game. When my brother got this game for Christmas, it was mostly just interesting. I revisited it in 2021, the story was very uplifting and helped me start getting out of complacency and depression. (He was dealing with that at the start of the game). The soundtrack and little spots of comedy, cuteness, and whimsy really break up the tension. Cal's pain, being uprooted, fear of opening up. fear of betrayal, and just general fear was relatable and not despite him being a guy. JFO was truly a pleasant surprise, I didn't know what to think about it when I saw posters in the game store, and now it has a special place in my heart.
Also, I like how Ilum will become Starkiller Base but they down-play it. Merrin asks why Ilum is so important and Cal doesn’t know what the Empire’s planning…
Again I like game reviews that come later. Because by then you don’t let the first time high of the first playthrough make you biased. You can better acknowledge the good AND bad.
This was my intro to Star Wars. For me I never grew up watching Star Wars but I knew about it along with a few memes. I’ve never seen any of the movies aside from Rogue one and I don’t even remember it that much I just know it kinda sucked. But this game was on sale on steam for $4 once and I picked it up. I was hooked from start to finish. I tend to buy games and never finish them (I know bad) but this was one game I could not out down. Cal is my favorite character in the Star Wars series but also the only character he’s just that good to watch play his story. I didn’t catch any references or anything except for the ending with Vader and I remember gasping in excitement and such. Even when getting the double sided saber I actually was shouting out like “oh hell yeah”. Now i have survivor but I haven’t finished it or played it even as I haven’t had the time. But man fallen order was definitely the game that got me into Star Wars and I’ve been wanting to catch up on the movies and all. The gameplay for me was honestly really good as I’ve never really play a souls like game. It was simple but had some nice mechanics
I genuinely thought this channel was one of those big accounts where it’s multiple people & you get different views on gaming. I’m glad I was wrong, I love how inclusive this channel is & how much time they put into making their videos the best it can be. Keep it up!
I remember playing this game twice on different difficulties seriously one of my favorite game ever. Respawn are a great developer of single player games, going to play titanfall 2 for the single player pretty soon.
I remember playing this last January after it was free on PlayStation plus with no real expectations and I was hooked immediately. It was refreshing with a game being this punishing and I really enjoyed how you just had to get good to complete it without lowering the difficulty and it really succeeded with the Star Wars atmosphere
13:20 Id argue you can connect Merrins trauma to Cal, Trilla, and Malicos' trauma tbh. Sure, Greivous purged the Nightsisters about a year before Order 66, but its fundamentally a VERY similar event.
I’m working on the platinum for this game right now, it continues to blow my mind with how good it is. The combat is more simple but still so fun and the planets are way more diverse and unique. Even after getting the platinum for Survivor I still think I’m having more fun with Fallen order
I would love to see a Star Wars: What If where Cal keeps the holocron and rebuilds the Order on Tanalorr. I’d be okay with them swooping in to save the day during Episode IX, too.
Though Im sure the fact that I have only played the second game once would influence my opinion, I didn't realize how much more vividly I remember the story of Fallen Order than Survivor until you mention it.
BD-1 was seriously “undermined” in Survivor. I kept forgetting that he was also a character until Cal would make a comment to him. In FO, BD-1 felt more present and alive. All my opinion, of course.
i agree. in Fallen Order u’d press a button and Cal would immediately check up on him. ofc they had to change that in Survivor for BD-1’s updates but i really missed this feature
As a Star Wars fan who’s disillusioned with 90% of the content we’ve gotten since the acquisition I always take time to sing these two games praises to anyone who will listen. They are truly the best Star Wars stories we’ve gotten since the core 6 films and Clone Wars. Criminally underrated.
I need more great story driven games like this, gow, uncharted, last of us, spiderman. Ive been searching for one of these games recently and im coming up short.
The character development in Fallen Order was truly awesome, we didn’t really get the same treatment in survivor. However, Jedi survivor gameplay was also awesome.
Fallen Order is the better story and yet now with Survivor back I can’t go back and play Order due to there being no fast travel. It’s a weird complaint but man no fast travel in Order really hurts that game
I have a theory that mailicos was the one that killed Merrins sisters not General grievous since he was already dead, hear me out when he landed on dathomir he was younger because order 66 if cal was about 12 and now he’s maybe 18 or 19 in fo malicos was a Jedi and had a blue or green lightsaber and killed merrins bloodline when she was young and malicos Manipulated her to thinking that it was a Jedi since then the darkness took him and became a sith. Now you know 👍
the Vader is brilliant and much more than fan service Vader appears to remind us the real power hierarchy after we conquering the final boss also that means the Empire has begun to take Cal serious and the real hardship is ahead
True about the power hierarchy, Cal likely would’ve been a regular Jedi knight if the purge never happened, one of the 10,000 roaming the republic. The game masterfully reinforces how powerful and skilled regular Jedi are to regular fighters and soldiers outside of the main movie characters and lame Jedi extras that get killed in the background of attack of the clones so it props up the Jedi and reminds of how crazy powerful Vader is, he is the chosen one Cal can’t even come close to competing with
Calling it now, cal dies fighting Vader. He finds tanalor somehow, or something, merrin dies, the only survivors are bd and maybe greez.but Cal's goal is achieved, because more importantly kata is alive too. Securing the Jedi's future, if only, for a little longer.
Ironic, I just finished watching your survivor video when I saw this. This game is the definition of a surprise to be sure but a welcome one although I do think the sequel is better this one still pretty damn good. Every time I look at ashoka tano and cal kestis I just have to wonder was making Rey a good character really so hard?…
@@Robman0908agreed I even hated the force awakens bc it immediately resets the galaxy back to revels v empire. The blew up the new republics government like halfway through the movie and they never come up again. All Luke leia chewie and Han did to defeat the empire was for nothing.
Really enjoyed myself with this game, even though my gaming skills from the teen days are gone and I really sucked at this. Was bummed that Survivor was a PS5/PC only, until making sure just a bit ago and realizing it apparently IS on PS4, goddamit another game to my growing backlog...
I remember the time I used to play that game on XBOX One and now I play it on XBOX Series X and honestly Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order works well with XBOX Series X
One thing I personally really miss about Fallen Order's combat compared to Survivor is the ability to hold force attack and dash towards the enemy - specifically this plus the jump button. It made it feel more organic in gaining an advantage by placing Cal behind an enemy rather than having to employ the strategy of awkwardly waddling around them which in Survivor rarely worked, especially in one-on-one situations. While I did enjoy Survivor's evolution of the single blade and ultimately all of its lightsaber stances, the move which I feel replaces this (being block + attack) did feel far slower in wind up and less effective against enemies overall which caused me to rarely use it - although this is coming from someone who played both games on grandmaster so I am not sure if it is more effective on the lower difficulties.
I'm a bit cautious on the third game as the game director Stig Asmussen and many of the lead devs left Respawn for Stig Asmussen new studio Giant Skull.
Just got done beating it It's a pretty good game overall but has some big problems I give it a 7.5/10 I almost quit a few times when the game became boring/too annoying but i stuck it out I couldn't wait for it to be over honestly
I played this game for the first time this past year, and it was a lot of fun. Pretty much my only issues were… 1) I personally prefer a different saber design than Cal’s, but I regret that I altered it so much on my first playthrough because I didn’t quite catch how linked it was to his master. My first New Game+, I ain’t touching that thing (and reading bios and such in the database more as I go, taking my time). 🤣 2) the final Trilla fight was tense, but as someone still getting the hang of the gameplay to a degree I feel like the lighting of the room made it hard to see the Unblockable signal. It made me adapt, and is ultimately a minor thing, But I struggled for a bit on that..
I know it technically isn’t but in my opinion this is the best souls-LIKE ever as it is a compilation of the best of the genre and truly best experienced on grand master.
I think respawn has really hit a great spot with these games. Fallen order was so fun and engaging with its story and characters. Survivor is fun for its exploration and gameplay. The story is good too, but it’s not as epic all the way through as fallen order was. Although, the ending of survivor is amazing. I love it and play it every six months just to get to that last chapter
Man, I played Fallen Order a few years ago and I did not like it one bit. It's just one of those games that you try out and can tell almost right away if you're gonna like it or not. Last week, I gave it another go, and I am gonna say that I absolutely love this game now lol For me, it's one of those rare games that you don't like at first, but then love once you give it enough time. I am more than half way to Platinum it on PS5 and already bought Survivor, and I am looking forward to the 3rd. Heck yeah 😎
my pals and me brainstormed that the final trilla scene should have been Cal sacrificing himself to save her, and thus we would be have been playling Trilla in Survivor instead, as this may have been a more interesting way of progressing the story, and certainly mor eimpactfull
Overall I love the story of the game it is difficult, I've played it like 6 times on grandmaster difficulty not to mention my other play throughs. I enjoy the 2 shot experience and the satisfying reward of beating a tough enemy. The story is amazing, the planets are all different with difficult exploration and diversity and they have meaning behind each one. I love this game!!!
This game has better levels, villains and story than survivor. Though survivor succeeds in the gameplay side, better traversal, combat and Cal's character development was great. The plot in both games it takes a back seat for the characters and I'm not complaining.
Graphics have been figured out since like 2016 at the latest all games since have that baseline great quality in that aspect at least. RDR2 came out in 2018 and it’s still gorgeous.
It’s been long since I played Fallen Order. Survivor did so many things in improving FO, but I agree the story is waaay better here than in Survivor. The combat is better in Survivor, giving you different stances and perks, but it handles waaay worse than FO, in my opinion. The button input in FO felt quicker for me than Survivor. In FO, pressing double evade does a quick roll and was quick in resetting the character to block incoming attacks. In Survivor, pressing double evade, you do a long dash that feels so slow to reset the character that you can’t block incoming attacks. In Survivor, you also can’t abort attacks other than with the dual/split saber stance. Cal’s hit box is insanely awful too
I started playing this game in 2021, and I immediately put it down because the cut scenes were unskippable and I found that unacceptable. A month ago I picked it up again because I decided I wanted to place Survivor and that I should finish this game first so I decided to just slog through it. Absolutely f****** loved it, fell in love with the characters, the storyline was amazing and by the end of the game I was glad I couldn't skip so that I wouldn't accidentally skip. (still think they should add a skip though) It's been a long time since there's been a game that wasn't plagued by this notion that open world is better. Even after playing Jedi Survivor and being halfway through New Game Plus, I'm starting to think this might have been the better game - it seemed to be a better story, I enjoyed the lightsaber fighting more because it had its top limit and didn't overreach. Survivor was probably forced to go a bit too far in some areas. I don't like the idea that I can zip through the air like I'm actually playing a 3D platformer. I don't like the ball puzzles. cal feels overpowered by the time he gets to the end of the game, and honestly why turn him into someone who can basically fly: jump > dodge in the air > air force move combo is no longer lightsaber fighting it's bonkers. Honestly if they can patch this game and add a skip to the cut scenes I would probably play through it another couple of times.
Also did they fix his jaw? I liked Cal Whack-Jaw He was one of the highlights of the game. I liked how when he stood next to Merrin they look like two awkward nerds wearing cosplay at comicon. Even the last boss fight at the end was some smelly emo girl with greasy hair. Loved it. I didn't even shower for 3 days myself because of the immersion. Cal was the perfect protagonist. Cal in survivor was like a version of Cal who has discovered PUA videos on TH-cam and is trying to be alpha, but still socially unaware enough not to realise that he's just acting like an arrogant twat. Fuck you new Cal, you didn't fumble your lines during the dialogue recording even once. That was my favourite part. No I don't think the cape looks good on you. ARE YOU SLIGHTLY WEARING MASCARA what's going on mate?
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What did you think of Jedi Fallen Order?
I love the game replayed it 3 times and going to replay it again because of the video
great game but after Survivor, its a bit hard to replay Fallen Order again
I love the combat an atmosphere and i hate the puzzles and traversal.
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9:54 I find this scene so funny because while Cal and Cere have this intricate dialogue Greez just keeps pouring his spice onto his meal. I remember very vividly how I audibly laughed as he wouldn‘t stop 😂
I thought it was salt ngl and u was like "How much salt dooo yooouuu neeed!!!"
I think it was his salt. He has a salt and pepper shaker and Cal even mentions this in Survivor when you look at the shelf with Fallen Order “call backs”
In my opinion:
Story: Fallen Order > Survivor
Gameplay: Fallen Order < Survivor
completely agree
ultimately I think Fallen Order is the more enjoyable game. Mainly because In my opinion the Story of Survivor is not very interesting. Its not terrible, but I found myself just uninteressted quite a lot of times.
I must also say, that I think Fallen Order looks better then Suvivor. Maybe because I played Survivor on low setting and Fallen Order on epic, but the atmosphere was just more intriguing in Fallen Order
@@ConStanTCTi liked the survivor story more tbh
Yeah that's fair. As the video says the plot of Fallen Order is smaller but better focused
While Survivor improves the features and combat, the story doesn’t hold a candle to Fallen Order. It’s our best Star Wars game
The Bode bossfight connects really well with the Bogano vision.
Bode asks Cal "When the Empire comes, will you be able to protect my daughter?" And Cal can't answer him. Cal knows he won't be able to resist the Empire if it comes to him with full force.
The existence of Bode as a character makes it inevitable: The Empire will come to Tanalorr. That is why Cal destroyed the Holocron
I remember just before the game came out I was spoiled by Vader's appearance as it was in the thumbnail, I was so pissed
Same man
I'll never forget it. I literally bought the game the day it came out, and that was the first thumbnail in my TH-cam recommended
For survivor spoilers…
I had bode turning spoiled for me luckily though the thumbnail didn’t give away that he was a former Jedi so when the Band-Aid was ripped off, I still had something to be surprised about. hopefully when the third game comes out we will be able to get through it quickly before spoilers…
That's why I don't open social media or unfollow all relevant content creators when new movies or games release
Same
Same!! That happened to me twice!! Btw nice Pattinson Bruce Wayne profile picture. Freaking love The Batman.
Being reminded that the villains in this game are representations of what Cal can become, it makes the ending of Survivor have so much more weight
3:21
Basically the golden rule for any story. It’s not about what happens. It’s about why it matters. It’s a quote I from my favourite writing TH-camr I very much agree with. The characters make a story worthwhile. Sure, an interesting premise can hook you, but it cannot hold you. It cannot enthral you. Only good characters can.
I also think it’s important to notice gameplay wise, the “bare bones” feeling is important narratively because cal is simply remembering everything he learned as a very young padawan. It makes sense that we don’t use a varied amount of techniques but rather are mastering the basics of the Jedi arts
This. The gameplay was perfect for a game about an average Jedi on an inner journey to reconnect himself to the force.
I didn’t think of it like that. The gameplay was one of my main issues with this game. The block and dodge didn’t work at times due to character animations. But storywise it does make sense.
@@DarthDuck404I really like Cal isn’t some special Jedi he was a regular padawan with no special ties or the secret apprentice of a high ranking master he was just an average one and grew into a hero through the story and sense of duty
Am I one of the few who thinks Fallen Order and Survivor are perfectly equal to each other? Each game has its own strengths but I really don't feel like one is clearly better than the other.
I feel like Survival is the perfect sequel to Fallen order. They are equally good (maybe survivor is a bit better but it’s not far) but you see and feel the progression of every character.
Such a great game. I miss using the double saber as a single saber.
I like them both equally because no matter what they’re both better stories than the cinematic stuff coming out on disney plus and the failed movie trilogy.
When the 3rd game finally comes out,
the fallen order trilogy will be the REAL sequel trilogy.
Its just a shame they’re video games and not movies.
But that would also ruin them, because thats what happens to starwars stuff now.
Either you’re into the games or the comics,
The new watchable stuff doesn’t hold water.
But this does.
I can happily except Cal being the lead role protagonist that carries on the franchise going forward.
Cameron did a great job in the role.
We had Luke, and Aniken,
But now we’re detaching from that family and getting a new story from a new perspective.
We watched luke and aniken face the darkness, and now we’re seeing cal face his own trauma and darkness, through a different story.
Shits gonna get real in the next game.
Hoping Cal comes out the other side ok, and doesn’t lose everything and fall to the dark side,
He could end up a villain, or he can stay on his righteous path.
It can go either way.
Thats whats so great about these games.
There was no way in hell that Rae would have ever fell to the dark side and became a “vader” if some sort herself.
Heck, she shouldn’t have even caught the light saber 😂 lol
But with Cal, its would make sense and be far more natural.
@@nicks4802
Dude no wtf that's crazee
The moments with Vader in this game are some of the best in the entire SW series. It’s always risky to bring in a legacy character into a prequel, but the devs nailed it. The sheer terror I felt in those moments while running from him had my heart racing and my hands sweating. I absolutely love this team for what they did with this game and Survivor. Some of the best SW we’ve had in decades.
The game takes massive turn from a soulsborne style game to Alien Isolation. So damn good.
5:14
Let’s not forget Merrin. … Nevermind, you spoke of her too.
Personally, I think the way Cal got Merrin on their side is one of the most Jedi-things ever. Or at least, what a Jedi should be. Historically, their two fallen orders don’t really like each other. When they first meet, Cal tried to negotiate, but that’s cut short. Merrin is intent on stopping him, because of the lies Malicos had fed her. When the witches get raised from the dead, they’re both being hostile. But when Cal could really heals his trauma as much as he can, after his trip to Ilum, succeeded by his return to Dathomir (plus, you can hear force echo’s of Merrin), Cal immediately expresses kindness and understanding. He gives her his weapon. Making peace with your enemy and showing you mean no harm, letting her speak her mind and listening with care and understanding… That’s the compassion a Jedi should aspire to have.
Although there was only a hint at a love story in FO, the game laid the groundwork for their relationship really well. This is probably my favourite enemies to lovers story arc. They have real chemistry and you can really understand why they would like each other and what makes them so close, even as friends.
Completed the game multiple times, even starting from scratch to re-100% it again. 403 hours put in. I LOVE this game.
Dude that's crazee
How on earth could you like THIS game that much?
It has some big problems
@@DREADEYE_KNIGHT403 hours can be played a span of 5 years
33:
Abilities were done amazingly well.
Usefull in
- traversal
- puzzle
- combat
But also for the story: it makes sense why they are unlocked slowly abd it makes sense when you get them.
I can remember the skepticism around this game before its launch. Being an EA product. The first gameplay we got had the lightsaber looking a bit weird. This incomplete trilogy has thus far been some of the best Disney Star Wars.
One of my favorite games of all time. The story is perfect and the atmosphere the game creates is amazing. The planets arent as expansive as survivor's but i liked their design way more.
One of your favorites??
Dude this game has alot of problems lol
You seriously don't think it has big issues??
Imo outside of Koboh I liked the planets in Fallen Order over Survivor. I understand Koboh is basically multiple Fallen Order planets combined in terms of size and areas, but the planets in Fallen Order (Kashykk, Dathomir, Bogano, and Zeffo) is better than Jedda and the moon installation
I love the second game survivor, but truth be told I believe the first game is a bit better, because of how it handled the main villain and the Zeffo. My main issue with survivor is Bode(his reasons for staying “evil” in the end. At the end the empire wouldn’t be able to reach him and his family) and how the the story just drops the Zeffo stuff to the side(giving more attention to the high republic stuff).
I actually like bode staying evil because he infiltrated cals circle
so what’s stopping someone else from doing it on a bigger operation (hidden path) and in the end Cal couldn’t promise that nothing would happen to Bodes daughter because he knows that you can’t guarantee safety with the empire.
@@hunternicholson9953 I never said I have a problem with him staying evil. Its his reasons that I have a problem with. Those were bad lines from both Cal & Bode Because he actually can guarantee that the empire won’t find that location without the device that leads to tanalor. Even if the empire tried to, any star cruiser would get blown apart. That’s a fact. Actually, I don’t think even Vader or the Emperor knows about this planet.
@@Steel-101 the problem is Cal was going to open Tanalor up to the hidden path. That means more then one ship would learn the way to Tanalor. The operation would grow bigger leading to more possible points of infiltration for spies. All it would take is the nav data from one of those ships to allow the empire fleet to find its way to Tanalor. Now Cal could take every precaution and maybe he does keep it safe but even he knows that if he gives it to the Hidden Path there is a chance they lose Tanalor. And Bode (like Anakin) can’t accept that chance.
I think there's a reasonable chance of the Empire finding Tanalorr, the Nihill found it after all.
The planet is well hidden but eventually either someone gets captured and talks or the Empire starts noticing the amount of unusual activity in the system.
An Inquisitor already killed Bode's wife so his fear is somewhat justified.
I think Bode was the embodiment of Anakin Skywalker in the game. Anakin fell out of fear of loosing Padme and his child(ren), none of them died prior to his becoming Darth Vader but it was the FEAR that led him to the path
Bode had survived Order 66 AND watched his wife die. That is him seeing his family die 2 times. That's why he fully embraced the Dark Side - the death if Jedi and wife
When he crumbled the walkway his daughter stood on to me that was the games way of saying "Bode fell to the Dark to save his family but it has fully taken over who he is, it is no longer to protect his love but for the love of power"
I myself shouted "f-- you" at Vader when I thought he had killed BD1, a rare visceral reaction to narrative moment in a video game, particularly as I love Vader as a character. Nice to see I wasn't alone.
17:50 don't forget the cute little guy on bogano
I adore this game. When my brother got this game for Christmas, it was mostly just interesting. I revisited it in 2021, the story was very uplifting and helped me start getting out of complacency and depression. (He was dealing with that at the start of the game). The soundtrack and little spots of comedy, cuteness, and whimsy really break up the tension. Cal's pain, being uprooted, fear of opening up. fear of betrayal, and just general fear was relatable and not despite him being a guy. JFO was truly a pleasant surprise, I didn't know what to think about it when I saw posters in the game store, and now it has a special place in my heart.
Also, I like how Ilum will become Starkiller Base but they down-play it. Merrin asks why Ilum is so important and Cal doesn’t know what the Empire’s planning…
Again I like game reviews that come later. Because by then you don’t let the first time high of the first playthrough make you biased. You can better acknowledge the good AND bad.
This was my intro to Star Wars. For me I never grew up watching Star Wars but I knew about it along with a few memes. I’ve never seen any of the movies aside from Rogue one and I don’t even remember it that much I just know it kinda sucked. But this game was on sale on steam for $4 once and I picked it up. I was hooked from start to finish. I tend to buy games and never finish them (I know bad) but this was one game I could not out down. Cal is my favorite character in the Star Wars series but also the only character he’s just that good to watch play his story. I didn’t catch any references or anything except for the ending with Vader and I remember gasping in excitement and such. Even when getting the double sided saber I actually was shouting out like “oh hell yeah”. Now i have survivor but I haven’t finished it or played it even as I haven’t had the time. But man fallen order was definitely the game that got me into Star Wars and I’ve been wanting to catch up on the movies and all. The gameplay for me was honestly really good as I’ve never really play a souls like game. It was simple but had some nice mechanics
I genuinely thought this channel was one of those big accounts where it’s multiple people & you get different views on gaming. I’m glad I was wrong, I love how inclusive this channel is & how much time they put into making their videos the best it can be. Keep it up!
Lmao your Cal with the mullet and handlebar mustache. I laughed out loud and woke up my wife lmao
bro finally dropped again. pls dont stop
I remember playing this game twice on different difficulties seriously one of my favorite game ever. Respawn are a great developer of single player games, going to play titanfall 2 for the single player pretty soon.
I remember playing this last January after it was free on PlayStation plus with no real expectations and I was hooked immediately. It was refreshing with a game being this punishing and I really enjoyed how you just had to get good to complete it without lowering the difficulty and it really succeeded with the Star Wars atmosphere
Guys Fallen Order had the story, Survivor had the gameplay, now they need to combine them for a masterful Jedi III
13:20 Id argue you can connect Merrins trauma to Cal, Trilla, and Malicos' trauma tbh. Sure, Greivous purged the Nightsisters about a year before Order 66, but its fundamentally a VERY similar event.
I’m working on the platinum for this game right now, it continues to blow my mind with how good it is. The combat is more simple but still so fun and the planets are way more diverse and unique. Even after getting the platinum for Survivor I still think I’m having more fun with Fallen order
I would love to see a Star Wars: What If where Cal keeps the holocron and rebuilds the Order on Tanalorr.
I’d be okay with them swooping in to save the day during Episode IX, too.
This is my favorite star wars game. I've beat it ten times, and it was great every time
Though Im sure the fact that I have only played the second game once would influence my opinion, I didn't realize how much more vividly I remember the story of Fallen Order than Survivor until you mention it.
BD-1 was seriously “undermined” in Survivor. I kept forgetting that he was also a character until Cal would make a comment to him. In FO, BD-1 felt more present and alive. All my opinion, of course.
i agree. in Fallen Order u’d press a button and Cal would immediately check up on him. ofc they had to change that in Survivor for BD-1’s updates but i really missed this feature
Yeah, he definitely got a smaller part in Survivor. Hopefully, he has more to do in the third game
Bd 1 single handedly made fallen order 30% better
Game would suc without him
Yessir! Love this game. The sequel is one of my favorite games of all time though. Keep up the good work dude!
Great great video, loved your thesis, just subscribed and now looking for more vids
Pls don’t stop doing these type of videos
As a Star Wars fan who’s disillusioned with 90% of the content we’ve gotten since the acquisition I always take time to sing these two games praises to anyone who will listen. They are truly the best Star Wars stories we’ve gotten since the core 6 films and Clone Wars. Criminally underrated.
Amazing work and analysis. We as viewers have a responsibility to help this channel grow
I need more great story driven games like this, gow, uncharted, last of us, spiderman. Ive been searching for one of these games recently and im coming up short.
"Take a drink every time he says trauma" challenge: impossible
Fantastic Analysis and Video my dude!
Excellent video, well constructed. Subscribed! 😊
Though it's done in many games now,this was the first game I ever saw the characters being modeled to look like the actors playing them.
The character development in Fallen Order was truly awesome, we didn’t really get the same treatment in survivor. However, Jedi survivor gameplay was also awesome.
Love this! I started playing again about a week ago lol
I did the platinum for this game a few months back and it was even more amazing then when I first played it
Literally just 100% the game yesterday this is great timing
Why does this guy not have more subscribers bro
One of the 2 favorite games of mine from last generations.
Fallen Order is the better story and yet now with Survivor back I can’t go back and play Order due to there being no fast travel. It’s a weird complaint but man no fast travel in Order really hurts that game
Yeah fallen order had some major issues
I couldn't wait to finish it
Never again
I have a theory that mailicos was the one that killed Merrins sisters not General grievous since he was already dead,
hear me out when he landed on dathomir he was younger because order 66 if cal was about 12 and now he’s maybe 18 or 19 in fo malicos was a Jedi and had a blue or green lightsaber and killed merrins bloodline when she was young and malicos
Manipulated her to thinking that it was a Jedi since then the darkness took him and became a sith. Now you know 👍
the Vader is brilliant and much more than fan service
Vader appears to remind us the real power hierarchy after we conquering the final boss
also that means the Empire has begun to take Cal serious and the real hardship is ahead
True about the power hierarchy, Cal likely would’ve been a regular Jedi knight if the purge never happened, one of the 10,000 roaming the republic. The game masterfully reinforces how powerful and skilled regular Jedi are to regular fighters and soldiers outside of the main movie characters and lame Jedi extras that get killed in the background of attack of the clones so it props up the Jedi and reminds of how crazy powerful Vader is, he is the chosen one Cal can’t even come close to competing with
Loved this game but I absolutely hated the transversal system. Getting that platinum was such a pain
Bought it in 2024. Incredible game.
Great watch 🙏🏿
Man, I still haven't played survivor yet, I wanna replay this one though
Malicos gave me Joruus C'baoth vibes at first. It would have been fascinating to see him continue in the series.
I replayed it on the highest difficulty about a year ago, and the most frustrating part was still the puzzles
Calling it now, cal dies fighting Vader. He finds tanalor somehow, or something, merrin dies, the only survivors are bd and maybe greez.but Cal's goal is achieved, because more importantly kata is alive too. Securing the Jedi's future, if only, for a little longer.
Merrin needs to breed first
The inquisitors were great to see in a SW game. Cutscenes were gorgeous and plot top notch.
Ironic, I just finished watching your survivor video when I saw this. This game is the definition of a surprise to be sure but a welcome one although I do think the sequel is better this one still pretty damn good. Every time I look at ashoka tano and cal kestis I just have to wonder was making Rey a good character really so hard?…
One problem with survivor was i didnt really care about the high republic vs fallen order which can be seen as a self contained story
Well it is very sad that Disney pretty much proved Malicos 16:35 right: the Jedi Order had no future as Rey stands as the last Jedi
Frustrating that anything taking place from post episode 3 to episode 6 is all for nothing.
So you're okay with luke rebuilding the order but not rey?
@@mor3gan285 I went with movies only so I did not even know Rey rebuilt the Order
@@Robman0908agreed I even hated the force awakens bc it immediately resets the galaxy back to revels v empire. The blew up the new republics government like halfway through the movie and they never come up again. All Luke leia chewie and Han did to defeat the empire was for nothing.
Really enjoyed myself with this game, even though my gaming skills from the teen days are gone and I really sucked at this. Was bummed that Survivor was a PS5/PC only, until making sure just a bit ago and realizing it apparently IS on PS4, goddamit another game to my growing backlog...
I remember the time I used to play that game on XBOX One and now I play it on XBOX Series X and honestly Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order works well with XBOX Series X
banger as always sir🫡
I accualy played Fallen Order after five years. For the first time. And 28:44 Malicos is easy. Idk what yall smoking, but it's easy.
Next one you should do, the god of war 2018 and even maybe ragnarok
One thing I personally really miss about Fallen Order's combat compared to Survivor is the ability to hold force attack and dash towards the enemy - specifically this plus the jump button. It made it feel more organic in gaining an advantage by placing Cal behind an enemy rather than having to employ the strategy of awkwardly waddling around them which in Survivor rarely worked, especially in one-on-one situations. While I did enjoy Survivor's evolution of the single blade and ultimately all of its lightsaber stances, the move which I feel replaces this (being block + attack) did feel far slower in wind up and less effective against enemies overall which caused me to rarely use it - although this is coming from someone who played both games on grandmaster so I am not sure if it is more effective on the lower difficulties.
Dude this game is no fun at higher difficulties lol
And i rarely say that about ANY game
I’ve seen the sequel trilogy, Cal’s decision to trust in the force to resolve it leads to terrible results. Great game though
I'm a bit cautious on the third game as the game director Stig Asmussen and many of the lead devs left Respawn for Stig Asmussen new studio Giant Skull.
Just got done beating it
It's a pretty good game overall but has some big problems
I give it a 7.5/10
I almost quit a few times when the game became boring/too annoying but i stuck it out
I couldn't wait for it to be over honestly
I really liked Fallen Order
But i grew to love Survivor, it's SUCH a great game
The map on this game was horrific
I played this game for the first time this past year, and it was a lot of fun. Pretty much my only issues were… 1) I personally prefer a different saber design than Cal’s, but I regret that I altered it so much on my first playthrough because I didn’t quite catch how linked it was to his master. My first New Game+, I ain’t touching that thing (and reading bios and such in the database more as I go, taking my time). 🤣 2) the final Trilla fight was tense, but as someone still getting the hang of the gameplay to a degree I feel like the lighting of the room made it hard to see the Unblockable signal. It made me adapt, and is ultimately a minor thing, But I struggled for a bit on that..
Ok you've got to be mad to say malicost or oggdo boggdo is the hardest boss when I got 2 shot by trilla in grandmaster with her wild attack combos
I know it technically isn’t but in my opinion this is the best souls-LIKE ever as it is a compilation of the best of the genre and truly best experienced on grand master.
How on earth could you enjoy this game on GM??
That's crazee talk
The combat/controls are so awkward
I think respawn has really hit a great spot with these games. Fallen order was so fun and engaging with its story and characters. Survivor is fun for its exploration and gameplay. The story is good too, but it’s not as epic all the way through as fallen order was. Although, the ending of survivor is amazing. I love it and play it every six months just to get to that last chapter
I only came back and played this after survivor. This is an excellent game. Hard to believe EA had anything to do with it
BD-1 is my favourite 🥰
Man, I played Fallen Order a few years ago and I did not like it one bit. It's just one of those games that you try out and can tell almost right away if you're gonna like it or not.
Last week, I gave it another go, and I am gonna say that I absolutely love this game now lol
For me, it's one of those rare games that you don't like at first, but then love once you give it enough time. I am more than half way to Platinum it on PS5 and already bought Survivor, and I am looking forward to the 3rd.
Heck yeah 😎
my pals and me brainstormed that the final trilla scene should have been Cal sacrificing himself to save her, and thus we would be have been playling Trilla in Survivor instead, as this may have been a more interesting way of progressing the story, and certainly mor eimpactfull
🤮🤮🤮🤮. That's so bad, glad you had no say...
Ha dude that's ridiculous
You want to play a chic that badly??? Lmfao
Is my opinion, Ogdo Bogdo was not that hard (I fell into a hole and killed him quite quickly) but the other bosses were decently hard
I personally never had any issues with the map
Overall I love the story of the game it is difficult, I've played it like 6 times on grandmaster difficulty not to mention my other play throughs. I enjoy the 2 shot experience and the satisfying reward of beating a tough enemy. The story is amazing, the planets are all different with difficult exploration and diversity and they have meaning behind each one. I love this game!!!
I found Trilla being more difficult to beat than Malicos.
I just downloaded it on xbox gamepass, an updated version would be nice
The best Star Wars anything since Empire, in my humble opinion.
Dude no way lmfao
Malicos is one of the best Star Wars characters to ever come out of a video game.
This game has better levels, villains and story than survivor.
Though survivor succeeds in the gameplay side, better traversal, combat and Cal's character development was great.
The plot in both games it takes a back seat for the characters and I'm not complaining.
The levels suc in FO lmfao
Quickest 5 years of all time
I just played both for the 1st time, was fucking awesome!
I just played this game for the first time and honestly im surprised at how good it looks for a game that came out in 2019
2019 isn't that long ago dude..
@@JesusChrist2000BCI agree with Jesus Christ 2000BC.
2019 was one year before COVID.
Graphics have been figured out since like 2016 at the latest all games since have that baseline great quality in that aspect at least. RDR2 came out in 2018 and it’s still gorgeous.
25:34 🥶
It’s been long since I played Fallen Order. Survivor did so many things in improving FO, but I agree the story is waaay better here than in Survivor. The combat is better in Survivor, giving you different stances and perks, but it handles waaay worse than FO, in my opinion.
The button input in FO felt quicker for me than Survivor. In FO, pressing double evade does a quick roll and was quick in resetting the character to block incoming attacks. In Survivor, pressing double evade, you do a long dash that feels so slow to reset the character that you can’t block incoming attacks.
In Survivor, you also can’t abort attacks other than with the dual/split saber stance. Cal’s hit box is insanely awful too
night sister merrin man.. they cooked with her design.
I started playing this game in 2021, and I immediately put it down because the cut scenes were unskippable and I found that unacceptable.
A month ago I picked it up again because I decided I wanted to place Survivor and that I should finish this game first so I decided to just slog through it.
Absolutely f****** loved it, fell in love with the characters, the storyline was amazing and by the end of the game I was glad I couldn't skip so that I wouldn't accidentally skip. (still think they should add a skip though)
It's been a long time since there's been a game that wasn't plagued by this notion that open world is better.
Even after playing Jedi Survivor and being halfway through New Game Plus, I'm starting to think this might have been the better game - it seemed to be a better story, I enjoyed the lightsaber fighting more because it had its top limit and didn't overreach.
Survivor was probably forced to go a bit too far in some areas. I don't like the idea that I can zip through the air like I'm actually playing a 3D platformer. I don't like the ball puzzles. cal feels overpowered by the time he gets to the end of the game, and honestly why turn him into someone who can basically fly: jump > dodge in the air > air force move combo is no longer lightsaber fighting it's bonkers.
Honestly if they can patch this game and add a skip to the cut scenes I would probably play through it another couple of times.
Also did they fix his jaw? I liked Cal Whack-Jaw He was one of the highlights of the game. I liked how when he stood next to Merrin they look like two awkward nerds wearing cosplay at comicon. Even the last boss fight at the end was some smelly emo girl with greasy hair. Loved it. I didn't even shower for 3 days myself because of the immersion.
Cal was the perfect protagonist.
Cal in survivor was like a version of Cal who has discovered PUA videos on TH-cam and is trying to be alpha, but still socially unaware enough not to realise that he's just acting like an arrogant twat. Fuck you new Cal, you didn't fumble your lines during the dialogue recording even once. That was my favourite part. No I don't think the cape looks good on you. ARE YOU SLIGHTLY WEARING MASCARA what's going on mate?
We need either a tv series or movie of kal I don’t care that it will be a Disney film I think kal deserves one