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- A lot of players underrate Cecilia. In this analysis I show why she's better than her stats suggest.
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This is a message from Lord Nergal. "Deploy one of every unit on the Dread Isle."
Lol, lmao even.
*Why Cecilia is good in general*
Why Cecilia is good in valkyrie
Why pent is good in General
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast
Low HP*
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx 33hp seems pretty decent to me. He can survive better than Dorcas at Base somehow.
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast
Err...
yeah about that.
He can't double with Bolting but he is just there just to reward your futile efforts on getting Prepromotes like Harken and him.
I find the “use as many different classes as you can” strategy is extremely wise for a first-time blind playthrough when you have no idea which classes and skills are going to be useful and what things the game will throw at you, so you maximize the variety of tools you have to win. Past that obviously you’ll learn some strategies and skills and classes are better than others and focus on those, but for a first-time player there’s nothing whatsoever dumb about diversifying your army as much as possible.
Cecilia is a good waifu.
Facts
WAIFU with benefits
Next episode on our favorite Leonster Prince, Leif please?
@@cdj17e a lot of people falsly accuse Leif of being bad in fe5 actually
Bet you're happy now
You don't need to heal if you kill the enemy before they kill you
WAIFU-Merlinus
I never got the whole 'one unit of each class' thing. I pride myself on abusing my cavaliers, and I can't imagine ditching one just to drag around someone who'll never see combat
I feel like Saias is pretty undervalued considering the alternative is Ced. Different than Cecilia’s issue, but it makes you realize how much availability affects your perception of units
I was going to suggest a video about Cecilia, but I thought, "Eh, he'll cover her anyway" ;) One of the best examples in the series for "stats aren't everything".
The way I like to put it: Cecilia is the best second staffer (which is not quite the same as "second-best staffer") for a reasonable chunk of the game. Imho, having two healers in FE6 is almost always useful, but if you try to spread out your staff XP, your healers will level up way too slowly. I don't think I've ever promoted two out of the three early healers, and when Cecilia joins, she can just replace whoever you used as your backup healer before. Higher magic, more bulk, more rescue/drop utility, ability to do chip damage. I can't think of a single (reasonable) scenario where she isn't an improvement over an unpromoted healer. She isn't even weak to horseslayers. :D
I suppose she gets less useful when Niime joins, but before that, she's absolutely amazing.
Niime has Low HP and less improvement.
Sophia can at least improve and contribute from the Mage Gaiden Chapter.
Niime has a whole lot of potential improvement - S rank dark magic. Apocalypse makes her the staffer with the highest magic in the game, unless you count silly stuff like Lilina with A staves. At 20/20, Cecilia merely reaches 17-18 magic, which isn't even bad, but still lower than Niime's 21 Mag even without the +5.
As far as pure staff utility goes, Niime is strictly the best unit in the game once she joins, which imo outweighs Cecilia's better bulk and rescue utility.
@@nilsbt3575
Yeah,yeah, I get you.
Good luck with the Falcoknights chasing you.
@@nilsbt3575
Yeah,yeah, I get you.
Good luck with the Falcoknights chasing you.
lol
There are literally zero falcoknights in the entire game after Niime's joining chapter, in which she is forced anyway. So it's not like those three scary, scary falcoknights are influencing your decision whether or not to bring Niime.
And since when do you need "luck" when dealing with the falcoknights in this chapter? Astore with a torch (to keep your squishies safe) and any competent physical unit completely wreck them. Pretty sure Milady one-rounds them with an iron lance.
I mean, one of every class is pretty inconsiderate, I agree on that. However, what I think is more reasonable is one of every weapon type, particularly in the games with an onslaught of Legendary Weapons because that can make the endgame easier, but that still doesn't mean that the existence of Mulangir makes Dorothy a good unit, but it might make Sue or Shin look more appealing. Besides, one of every weapon type also has the benefit that acquired weapons that are not worth much, but have good stats for combat are not wasted by rotting on the Convoy
Cecilia must have the hidden skill miracle lol.
i dont want to bring eliwood and lyn together
I don't really have a problem depolying two similar units, I just like class diversity on my teams, so I generally only use one unit of each class unless I like multiple characters that share a class, like Lugh and Lilina in FE6 and Lowen and Kent in FE7 for example
That said, I will always use Clarine over Cecilia regardless of how similar they are since I like Clarine as a unit and my team will always be filled with the unit's I like, leaving no room for Cecilia. I don't really care about Cecilia as a character anyways, so I wouldn't use her over other units regardless
If there is any game in Fire Emblem where an argument for class variety stands, it's Fire Emblem 6. With only four Guiding Rings in the game, half of which are found after the Sacae/Illia split, using more than two unpromoted magic users long term is unadvisable, more than three unviable, and more than four impossible. This is a category with seven units, six of whom are viable and three of which are really good. If given the choice between using three magic users or two magic users and Bors, I might opt for Bors, simply because a chapter 18 or 20 promotion would be unbearable.
@Quixotes It's not so much an argument for "You shouldn't use Cecilia if you're already using Clarine," so much as an argument for "Using to many of the same class type is not a good idea."
I knew there was no reason to be ashamed for repping the Cecilia alt in Smash 4
Well, I'll not going to deploy both Wendy and Bors on the same map. That's totally not because I wouldn't deploy either of them
I wanna Path of Radiance Ike next. I feel like hes a unit that gets a bit *too* much praise from the community.
Cecilia's Growths might save you from Negative Growths, Mekkkah.
My head-canon is that Cecilia's stats are so low when she joins despite being the Mage General because she survives being crit'd by Zephiel, and then joins you crippled immediately after. She was more powerful before joining, and the version that joins Roy's army is a her with like half her ribs still broken and such.
Either that, or she leads more with wisdom & tactics rather than brute strength.
i mean, she almost died three times because of that attack.
@@benjaminborkowski12
She is maybe another unlucky green unit.
I think that she does have three less defence when she joins you, since I believe Zephiel has 39 might with his sword, so to take 29 damage like she does in the cutscene, you would need 10 defence, but she only had 7
@@josephkilker6154 She stood on a castle,that gave her extra defense
I'm surprised not surprised to see you here
Man, I was sure it was gonna be Isadora.
I’ve always said that if you swapped Cecilia and Igrene’s join-times, both units would be seen in a better light. Cecilia would come into the game on a huge map where her movement shines and there are still some wyverns for her to snipe with her Aircalibur tome. Igrene would contribute much more in the desert chapter helping against the beefy wyvern lords, not to mention she’s the freaking guardian of the desert, it would make sense that she’d join in fighting… in the desert.
Everyone agrees Isadora is good. It's only you who seems to think her con is a big detriment compared to her speed and weapon ranks
Which she is guarding. Because she's the guardian... of the desert. Like her father. Who you meet. In the desert. Which he was guarding. Because he was the guardian.... of the desert.
No, not everyone agrees Isadora is good. She's really not that good. It's more a case of Paladins just being ridiculously op in general during the GBA games.
It's probably true that they'd both be seen as better even though Cecilia would be a worse unit. She'd miss out on 14x where she's pretty good as long as you don't put her in range of the boss or random Mercenary. And even in 14 I don't find her all that bad, she can find Boots t1 due to her starting position, there's a high demand for staff using and Aircalibur, and most of oyur units can't move more than 3 tiles anyway. And when you get to the Oasis she's got good move again.
Yeah sure, but it would make more sense if she actually came out and helped Roy against the Bern invasion forces. I think she could do a whole lot more protecting out there than sitting on her ass inside the water temple.
I like having one of every class, not because it's optimal, but because it makes me feel good, shoot me.
I could say it has something to do with spreading promotion items out, but that would be a lie. I just think it looks pretty to have a diverse army.
I guess you could say #DiversityIsOurStrength, lelelel
#DiversityIsSuboptimal
One Of Every Class here because the game Usually does not give me one of every unit to evaluate.
Looks like we agree on something
Same mangs
@@lisasemarron5413
More class means more pwn.
Wyfus: Why your favorite unit sucks
>Cecilia is my waifu.
Me : What did you say?
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx I Will Marry The Real St Cecilia!I Will See Her Nude!Will We Have Sex In Heaven?!I Hope So!
But the big questions are: why on earth did they give you Cecilia on the (only) map, where she is literally useless? And why does the game try to convince you so hard, that she is supposed to be bad? And why is there music playing in the cutscene battle with Zephiel, even if you turned off the music in the options? (and yes that's not even a joke)
It just feels like the developers were trolling (wouldn't be the first time)
I think the devs want to make the map hard by deploying her on a map where she is useless.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx on a already rigged game. Despite it though, she held down the fort well with Deke/Dieck when the axe bandits arrived.
@@joshuagabrielcatindig7607
Where's Dieck where Cecilia is?
The reason is that they knew Valkyries were stupidly overpowered with 8 move.
@@auraguard0212 that didn’t stop them from making Perceval and Miledy broken though, did they? Nor did it stop them from making Ursula the next game and putting her in a FoW chapter…
I don't have think the issue is that people don't want to deploy two of a class, it's that people only have so many deploy slots. In FE6 I've ended up benching some of my favorite characters like Lugh and Raigh simply because I ran out of room (and, to some degree, because I didn't have a Guiding Ring for them.) It's worth noting that in SoV, this issue doesn't exist; Boey is seldom criticized for being redundant to Mae, Kamui is seldom criticized for being redundant to Saber, and Deen and Sonia are not criticized for being members of the same classes as most of Celica's army. When this is criticized, it's just an issue of available classes. This is because SoV allows you to deploy all units, up until the final map.
I also think that it has to do with visual variety. Watching Paladin Animations over and over is a lot less fun than seeing the large variety of animations that Fire Emblem has to offer, especially in the GBA games.
FE6 is pretty stingy with Guiding Rings huh hahah but even so, I always use and promote my boy Lugh cuz he is my favorite unit in all of Fire Emblem.
You could always try out rotating between different units. You know, just a thought.
J.I A unit can be "redundant" if they bring nothing to the army.
Say I have three deployment slots in a map. I'll need a healer, a front-liner to deal with the army of swordmasters I can see from my deploy menu who all have overlapping attack range (so it'll probably need to be a really beefy general) and a fast unit that can go over terrain quickly to get that village up there before the bandit gets to it on turn 3. So I've got my Wyvern Lord, my General, and my best healer. Redundancy here means "doubling up on a role already filled when some other roles needs filling."
This was a simplification for the purpose of argument, but it underscores why a sub-par member of a class can be "redundant" when you have someone better. If I need a lot of things that a Paladin can't do well (like eat lots of magic damage or one-round an army of Wyvern Lords on enemy phase) then I'm going to have to bring units that do those things. So by the end, you look at your loadout and go "Okay, and I've got space for one more paladin/valkyrie. Because Paladins/valks are useful in general, I'd be stupid not to bring at least one, but because all my other slots are filled by role-players, I'll just bring my best one. Sorry, second-best member of the best class in the game, you get the bench."
@Jett Lucas Hayes No, I'm not. But if, when deploying, you see that you have 1fewer deployment slot than expected and you have to drop someone, make sure you have met all the requirements asked by the map before you fill the other slots with paladins and valkyries
this is very true
Cecelia, she's a good staff bot, but Etruria really downgraded their mage general.
When the previous general was the sole student of the Archsage, there isn't a whole lot of room for improvement.
People forget that Erk was in between...
But hey atleast she has Canto and don't forget that sweet sweet 8 and movement.. oh and the A in Anima that Clarine will never ever get.
@@JM-fh1tv Spending time with Louise, haha.
Atleast their FE 7 supports say so.
@@Tez365
Pent is the Archsage but you never get to meet him but you get Karel instead.
I like having one of each class simply because I like looking at all their GBA animations.
Shoutouts to that dude who really likes Cecilia... even though I can't exactly remember who you are.
I don't know if you are talking about me, but thanks anyway.
I don't know if you are talking about me, but thanks anyway.
There are dozens of you, dozens!
-Jokes aside, I think (emphasis on think) it's Lord Tullus I'm thinking about.-
I liked to use r34 and search up Cecilia. Good stuff, I tell you.
@@ChillstoneBlakeBlast oWo
Ah Cecilia, the best example of a unit being saved by their class as mounted healers may be the in the top three best class types. Cecilia is definitely not helped by her starting chapter but like you said after that it's almost always smooth sailing from there, Staves are ridiculously good so having a unit that requires little to no effort to get access to good staves is very much appreciated, I've seen her and Clarine carry entire playthroughs before thanks to their class.
But their class is part of their character.
I love just using a healer offensively (Nanna, or Clarine)
Not gonna lie, there is nothing better looking than a GBA FE team with 80% of horses
It really is the best. Bonus point on everything being mounted except the lords.
@@eldizo_
Lol Horseslayer*
Thanks for this video Mekkah. I have lost the count of the number of times I had to explain people how Cecilia can be extremly useful on any playthrough, because she have an unmatched amount of utility purposes that nobody can completaly mimic (except Clarine, and even she needs an absurd amount of babying to have all the utility Cecilia has at base).
Just to add more information, let's talk about chapter 24, the second to last chapter in the game. What does this chapter have? Manaketes, lots of them, and also long 1 tile wide corridors, and reinforcements coming from behind, and SEVEN thrones to seize with Roy, and for some reason Fae is forced to be deployed too.
From that we know that this chapter requires the player to constantly move fowards, and that someone will get badly injured on the way. So an unit who have high movement, high Aid, can Canto after rescuing, and who can heal allies is really valuable. And guess what, Cecilia can do all that, at base, and if you decide to do some small investment on her, things can only get better.
I do like Cecilia in that chapter, though it is worth noting that anyone can have 15 move at that point thanks to Shoe Shopping.
Yeah, everyone can have 15 move at this point, but a horse is still pretty valuable though, and that's why Cecilia is one of the best candidates for eating those boots (after your main killers, of course, you still need units capable of killing enemies relliably after all).
JP do Ó I think you might be the guy that really likes Cecilia that someone was talking about in another comment
-Not Quite but he could very well be him in another account-
@@Mekkkah
And you make bad units good because that shoe shop has a lot of trinkets.
I agree, Cecilia is fantastic. 8 move staves is just so versatile and useful, especially with the map design of FE6 being bloated and mount demanding, with tough enemies for her to chip, or chunk with Air-conditioning.
As a suggestion: I'd be interested what you think about BARTRE! (the FE6 incarnation, of course, I know that he suuuuuuucks in FE7)
Jerrot/Zealot might be interesting, too, from a Number of Deployment Slots vs. Number of Longterm Units perspective.
Jerrot/Zealot is just a Tier 2 Jagen.
The Tier 3 was Marcus and the Tier 1 was Perceval.
But, can Cecilia make good units?
*Cough cough* Roy
Yes she can.
But in the Endgame.
Yeah but they only last one chapter.
Finally, a WAIFU episode about an actual waifu
She is.
I always liked using mounted units over any other class but I will admit at one time, I thought Hero's were the best class in fe
Assassin is still my fav fe7 class tbh....man jaffar was so good....but i remember he did like 0 dmg in end game....still my fav he the reason i bother babysiting nino
Well... assassins aren't about doing damage anyways... they are more useful focusing on crit chance to make use of the silencer skill
tbh I'm more happy you defended FE6's gameplay "tedium" than Cecilia.
Also I used both FE6 Valkyries in my first playthrough, two mounted staff users are never a bad thing.
Im actually using cecillia in my iron man playthrough of fe6 saul got magic screwed and clarine..is dead and i ain't using ellen in the midgame.
Literally what happened to me in my ironman lol
@@jm-nf8xf
In my Ironman, everyone died, except for Rutger.
Cecilia is a fantastic unit. Her great staff ranks. Mounted. Joins mid-way into the game. She’s pretty good. I hate her character is all. Chapters 13 and 14 don’t do her any favors tho. Her stats aren’t great but it’s her weapon levels that make her good. As I said, I absolutely can’t stand her character. Great analysis, btw.
Why do you hate her character? It isn't super deep, but I don't see any major flaws with it.
Jotero Kejo exactly. She useless in the story yet plays a major role in her country. She’s so bad, imo.
RPG Dude You realize that 95% of characters in most games don’t play a major role in the story. And Cecilia’s importance to the story is more indirect. Her backstory is what makes her important. She’s Roy’s teacher and mentor. She is responsible for Roy’s tactical knowledge. She is far more important to the story than say, Hinoka from Fates or a less easy target, Tanith from Fe9. She plays a very important role in her country, but had next to no story importance. She has about as much as Cecilia. Story prevalence is not the end all be all of character quality in Fe. If this was the case then 95% of the cast would be considered terrible.
+RPG Dude She's not useless to her country, she's held in high regard and is able to lead a competent counterattack against Narcian, and trains Roy in the art of leading an army, and he eventually succeeds in overcoming all. Those chapters are simply meant to illustrate how strong Zephiel is.
I'd say the opposite, I hate how weak she is in gameplay compared to how she is portrayed in lore, I'd rather it make more sense and keep her strong but unrecruitable.
RPG Dude Joshua doesn’t do shit in sacred stones but he’s a prince.
Cecilia is my favorite character in fe6 love her design!
Calling her mage general and comparing her to pent is still insulting.
I like having one of every class, not because it's optimal but because I like trying out different classes.
Yas, Cecillia was the perfect character for something like this.
Yeah,
WAIFU!
😅😍😍😍😍
I'm actually playing my first Fe6 run, and having 2 horse healeres is a blessing. Cecilia gets bad level ups, but is reliable to kill damaged units, and has support with Lilina
While I dont believe in 1of every class, there are further considerations of such sort. While Hawkeye doesnt immediately invalidate Dartz as a unit, how much do I really want 2 infantry axe units that are tricky to rescue? Even if training fir with endless pirates is easy enough, why would I ever feel the need to have more than 1 rutger when its at times hard to justify 1 rutger as is? GBA emblem is extrabad in this regard because for example using Dorcas will actively make it harder to use Bartre out of sheer increased hero crest demand. While sane is also true between Guy and Raven, the point stands and gets worse with the heavy demands classes like paladin. Yes I would like to use all of lowen sain and kent but one of them is going to get the shaft so to say in late knight crest and fuck me if i also want oswin on the dragon's gate. Another case is edward who might have good promoted offense with lacking bulk, something both sothe and zihark fullfill as is. Why would I put the effort into eddy when I frankly have all the "swordmaster utility" I need as is? Granted clarine vs cecilia or even erk vs pent is completely different but there is real considerations for how many of 1 class or rather type of utility is too many, and often enough the answer IS im solid with my 1 hawkeye thank you very much.
You don't have to promote every unit. Feel free to use multiple units of the same class if it makes a chapter easy though.
Hawkeye's pretty bulky albeit a bit slow and good though. I would recommend you to use him.
The game's beatable even if you use only prepromotes even at HHM( a loads of players did this).
@@Tez365
Hawkeye doubles Ursula while she use the Bolting.
@@xxx_jim_the_reaper_xxx Yeah the bolting has 20 weight tbh most units can double a bolting wielder tbh.
@@Tez365
So everyone is a Good unit?
Rath is great as a Nomad Trooper though.
Don't forget to use him!
@@Tez365 wait lyn can ORKO ursula while she bolting? I imagine hawkeye be able too since i mean killer axe exist and he a beserker
Nice Cecilia is best Grill in FE6
Facts
2 years late but an order is an order. I still have reservations about using more than one of the same class on my team and am a bit of a fanatic about making sure all S rank (or SS for RD) weapons have a user on my team. During my first 2 play through a of RD I never brought the laguz royals into the tower because I wanted all legendary weapons in play. Needlessly to say, I am turning away from my old ways but I do notice them impacting my decision making quite often. Noticing how useful it is to use multiple paladins in FE6 has caused me to open my eyes. Even when I was young and foolish, I did make a single exception to the one of each class rule… Pegasus knights, solely for triangle attack because regardless of how impractical it is, it is so cool that it makes it worth it.
cecilia is the mom of the army
She's mah mom.
and the wife of a 15 years old boy with mom issues
@@rodrigobocchi5213 wait wtf thats canon i thought he bang the shadow dragon or lilina
My name IRL is Cecilia. I’ve been obligated to love her from the start, and finally feel vindicated.
Also, seriously, how did people think a Valkyrie is ever useless?
Mounted staff bot that counterattack’s at 1-2 range to somewhat discourage targeting. That alone makes for a perfect support unit.
@@IceLaic
Awwww...
People used to say that Clarine is better than Cecilia, but tbh I've always preferred Cecilia over her. Not only does she look better (in my opinion), she doesn't need a guiding ring, she starts with amazing weapon ranks, her average magic stat will always be higher than Clarine's of the same level, all kinds of pros overall. I think my only grievance with Cecilia would be her low speed growth, which doesn't make much sense to me, since she represents a naturally fast class, but whatever, can't win it all I guess.
To answer your question on team composition:
Having a diverse army is the most fun and interesting thing to do.
Especially on a first, casual playthrough, you want to upgrade all of the characters and see all of the classes and their animations and learn everything you can.
Secondly, the story itself, especially in Path of Radiance and Radiant Dawn, promote diversity and tend to push you into the thinking that having a hugely diverse group is giving you an advantage over your opponents, who would never be willing to work alongside people with differing opinions/worldviews than them.
Plus it's basically a given that if you're playing FE, you've probably played Pokemon.
@@yousquiddingme Of classes, you doofus.
And thats why kids should nvr believe in diversity bcuz when you so obssessed with diversity you cant look at the item own usefulness and discard it(cecilia at this case) i mean theres a balance between usefulness and diversity but your arguement....i only see diversity
@@michaelmagnimedia3331 Did you just apply a stat based video game's logic to real life as if that lines up at all?
Cecilia is not a waifu. Gareth, though.... *slurp*
gareth would be a husbando
Totally a husbando. Cecilia is a great waifu, though.
(Guys, he's joking.)
@@d3-ll754
I am whooshed but does it really matter?
Interesting Argument, dude.
Haha, the one time I've completed FE6 was when I was still in my "Ewww filthy prepromotes" - phase. Playing FE6 on Hard mode is still on my bucket list and I do have a pretty good feeling that I'm going to put Cecilia to some good use when that time comes.
If there's one Fire Emblem game to completely remove prepromote stigma, it's FE6. Niime, Marcus, and Perceval are eternal top-tier residents, and Zelot, Echidna, Bartre, Cecilia, Klein, Yoder, and Igrene are all pretty good. Meanwhile, most of the unpromoted cast has a really hard time gaining levels (unless you're Rutger or Melady), so a prepromote is something you tend to need just to stay alive. I would say the only one that I would totally advise against using is Juno, because her stats are just that poor and you probably aren't hurting for strong fliers if you recruited her to begin with.
The weird thing about FE6 is that it has Perceval, who with hard mode bonuses completely outpaces Lance and Alan, the two otherwise best paladin candidates in the entire game. Perceval has all of this with zero investments, and he can still grow even stronger, it's just so weird to think about.
Wait i thought this was tomorrow according to discord, oh well time to procastinate.
I like Cecilia a lot. I find a mounted healer that can use Aircalibur with no investment to be a very valuable asset. Also she's super fucking gorgeous.
I'm a strong 1-of-each-class style favoring player.. I started with FE6 on release when I got my hands on a pirated physical copy of the game, so I can say I've been around for a while.
Fire Emblem is generally less challenging but also less pleasing if played strictly for efficiency. Archers tend to be kind of stupid in Fire Emblem. There's no reason not to replace them with mages in your armies, but if you bench all your archers then you'll never get to see your own character's bow animations, you'll never have to work around the weakness of archers, or the excitement of seeing your archer dodge for his life.
1 for every class is a stupid idea, having all of your roster mounted is hilarious, that's why I like cavalier. But I didn't find the need of 2 healers in my FE6 playthrough (I didn't play on hard don't blame me)
The reason class by class comparisons are fine is because it allows people to detail the niches that two units can fill. When I compare Sully and Stahl and say that Sully kills things better while Stahl has better bulk and defensive capabilities, I am not saying to use only one; I am describing what makes them unique. I agree that using only one of each class is a pitfall, but I think your umbrage against comparing two units of similar or the same classes is a little extreme.
If Binding Blade gets a remake, I think I would push her join time a bit back but increase her base stats a bit (respectfully: +3 magic, +2 Speed, +2 Skill, +2 Luck and +1 to defence). Also, increase her staff rank to A or B. I would increase her growth rates in which I would increase by 10 across the board.
She should get a much higher growth in speed, it's bizarre how a typically fast class has only base 10 speed and 25% speed growth, which is even worse than Sophia's growth and almost as bad as Barth's speed growth.
I would never deploy Bors and Barth in the same map because I wouldn't deploy Bors or Barth at all.
Ima deploy them anyway.
I just don’t really enjoy using multiple units of the same class. Call it a self-imposed challenge or something.
I love building Roy's A support with Cecilia so that he can marry his teach
It's not even remotely fair for Cecilia to hold against her the fact that she was decimated by the Bern's KING.
Like, come on guys. XD
I know right? she's a healer,she would stand no chance with the second final boss at lv 1
How GOOD was Cecilia actually?
She is useful and that souds good to me.
@@Artemas_16
Waifu with benefits
She a valkyrie end of story
Definitely a good video! I remember using Cecilia a lot on my first playthrough of FE6 and making the initial assumption that she was terrible based on her stats alone, but she proved me wrong and was a valuable asset.
For the next waifu, I'd love to see another overrated unit. Path of Radiance Nephenee, maybe?
I also think Path of Radiance Mia is pretty cool, so I imagine she might be popular too. Also, Ross might be popular since he joins early and can become a berserker.
To re-cap
-She Is a pre-promoted
-She brings utility over combat
-Has a mount
-Uses 1-2 range
... Seems legit
She can also use the Bolting Tome at her Base Anima and has Canto.
Cecilia is a great example of a unit who suffers from a poor first impression. Not only in the infamous cutscene, but also her join chapter. Conversely, I think Fir is overrated because she joins in a chapter where she can contribute a ton, even if she is overall less useful throughout the game - it'd be curious to gauge the general feedback on a unit from the community and compare that to how they perform in their join chapter as an indicator of overall opinion.
To be honest, I like deploying at least one of most classes just because it can spice the game up a little. It gets kind of dull to have 6 paladins running around everywhere. I don't do it because it's better, just because it's neat to use different types of units.
Isadora next?
Dude I can still remember all the times I've used 2 sages and 5 Paladins in fe7
I think FE6 is different from FE7, and most people played FE7 first. FE7 had much smaller maps, fewer units, and generally higher-stat units, so the staff utility wasn’t nearly as impactful. Going from 7 to 6, warp/rescue, barrier, and recover are far more viable and necessary, horses make the giant maps feel more reasonable, and you actually need high staff ranks to use helpful items. I still love using one unit of each class because i like the different animations, but i have no aversion to using multiple cavaliers, mostly because they’re true only units you get easy multiples for :P
Well Clarine, stay in the bench and don't move!
#StaffBotCecilia #CeciliaXPercival
#ClarineIsBenched #RipRutgerXClarine
boo
>Cecilia is my waifu.
>Prepromotes are great,according to Mekkkah.
>Has great bases.
>Joins in a Bad Map
Cecilia is the *BEST!!!*
+Mekkkah also you say that stats doesn't mean anything... well I guess you were right cause looking at this video is proof th-cam.com/video/-oPt8O3-EhU/w-d-xo.html now if you could beat the demon king with very very bad stats and zero stat growths. I think ameilla or lyn can be very good. also telling me to make a video about it. you guys have to know that I don;t have a camera so I can't make videos except for like star wars force arena cause that one is easy to upload.
but point is that you were right mekkah. my bad and I wanted to say sorry cause I thought stat growths were everything but you were right.
Well... She is a waifu, I'll give her that. And I usually use her.
Nice analysis.
Its a *TRUE* fact that she is a WAIFU.
Roy can tap that.
I have a scoop for "pro" FE gamers out there : Some people don't give a shit about what is optimal. Some people don't want to clear the game with a low turn count. Some people don't want to play with 8 paladins. Some people want to work their ass off to grind Sophia (or Nino, Ewan, Donnel, w/e), just for the pleasure of seeing a weak character turn into a unit that can kick all kind of asses. Some people want to have a unit of each class in their army. Some people just want to have FUN. That's what game are for, you know ? ESPECIALLY since every Fire Emblem is NOWHERE near being a competitive game (except Heroes, but that's another debate).
Or maybe I'm wrong in thinking an RPG isn't supposed to be played the way you like.
I still liked the video, though.
Brother I'm not deploying two troubadours of anything I'm deploying Saul and one troubadour
The first WAIFU about a real waifu.
My last playthrough I made it a point to use characters I wouldn't normally use/have patience for like Zeiss, Niime, Barth and Cecilia. Cecilia was good for the solo healer staff bot. She was ready to go right out the gate 👍
Dang I love how hilarious the subtitles are.
It's a great analysis video tho.
Dropping this comment to say one of Cecilia's selling points imo is that she's a prepromote. If you're the average FE player, you'd probably use your Guiding Rings on Lugh, Raigh or Lilina if you missed the secret shop. So you only have two at most to promote your healers, but do most want to do that when they can compare stats and go "Oh! Insert Mage Here's a much better candidate for this than Insert Healer Here!"
I personally missed the secret shop in the Narcian chapter and had to promote Clarine in the first Ilia chapter. Having a second promoted healer really helps, especially since she can fend for herself if needed.
Rescuing? Staff using?! Chip damage??!! *PFFFT.*
My army has one rule : Everybody fights. No one quits.
Okay, it's Game Theory time:
They weren't being weirdly disrespectful to Cecilia, they were just doing that thing where the big boss is two levels above the heroes. Cecilia is Roy's sensei and owns Narcian, who is the main acting antagonist for a long time in this game. She owns him so hard that he couldn't beat her in what seems like weeks, and then Zephiel beats her with one strike.
And Cecilia survives the attack that killed Hector, so that also qualifies as a badass moment with context.
The common headcanon that Cecilia is fighting while hurt for the rest of the game works with this theory as well.
I kinda do the one of a class thing, but i do the CONTRARY than most players. I never use Clarine because i hate units that can be one shotted and i know i will gain Cecilia later anyway and i like cecilia quite a lot. So my healers until late game are always Ellen and Cecilia. I dislike clarine and cant care less for her. Ellen is different because she joins very early and i can stave abuse
I agree with not hesitating to deploy multiple of the same type of unit, but multiple healers? IDK about that because then that's multiple units who can't actually... do anything to the enemy. Though with her being a troubador she does get offensive magic so that's fine. I just never get two people TO that point, so could only do it in games where I get a prepromote (or in 3 houses where all mages can both heal and attack and there's no real reason to not get them faith magic because, if nothing else, Gremory is sick.)
Cecilia feels like "use me if you want a 2nd Clarine / didn't use Clarine." A staffbot with a good weapon rank with no investment needed whatsoever, but if she weren't a Valkyrie she'd just be a worse Yodel or Niime imo
My goal is not to play fast so I enjoy variety but it won’t stop me from deploying two similar units
Ive no idea whether this is really viable or not, but the tactic that i used in 6,7,8 and kind of 1 was to just dump the starting healers once i get hold of sages or bishops so i can have healers who can be part of the party and not get assfucked
Then again I tend to run a squad of generally defensively capable units, ditching guys like dancers and sole healers in the late game because im shit at dealing with ballistae and long range magic
Probably a pitfall but if theres a shitlord dragging the team down through the combination of not being defensive enough to survive and me being to stupid to keep them alive
This may just be paranoia because my first fe game was 6 blind which meant whatever i did, every so often a wyvern rider would leap from the fog and impale the nearest squishy on their lance
Specifically regarding cecilia she reminds me alot of pent, not in being anywhere close to as strong but in being a unit who had staff rank and enough overall defence to be able to stick around and not die ( the move helps too), that being a serious problem i have with niime where i spent the chapter she joined trying to prevent her from being blindsided by wyvern riders who kill her even with nosferatu
You know, i think i might just have a problem with fe6 wyvern riders in fog of war
And i cant believe you just spent that much time reading what is effectively brain leakage, thanks
I prefer diversity but I not against having more than one of a class (though I might lean more to similar classes instead of identical ones), and I have a soft spot for sword-locked/foot-locked units out of spite for everyone who thinks less of them for it, so I usually have at least a Myrmidon and a Mercenary along with my lord.
I really don't understand some of the fandom at times. Of course you are gonna have problems with Cel, if you take a support tank and try to put it on the front lines. I think the hate comez from the usually place: "I used the unit wrong, so it's bad".
Watching your videos has really helped me become a better player and playing faster has really revitalized my interest in the series. I've been having so much more fun than when I just turtled every map.
Two mounted Healers? What is not to like? I usually play with two healers, mostly female healers, one mounted, and one unmounted, but I would kill to have 2 mounted healers. I would take better utility over combat.
I've never gotten the hate for Cecilia. Seriously one of her main criticisms I see for her is that she has a bad joining chapter, which is not a good point as most of your army is also bad in the desert. Yeah sure Clarine will definitely surpass her, but let's not forget how annoying it is to train a healer, and Cecilia comes ready to use. She also only needs one more staff rank to use physic, which is relatively easy to achieve and makes her incredibly useful.
I don't insist on one of each class becuase that's too many to spread the exp around. But I do like to at least have one person who can get an S in every weapon type, and if you repeat classes that becomes less likely, unless it's like "Sword paladin and Lance Paladin" since most people will only have one weapon trained by the time they promote
Who says one of each class is a pitfall? The eight heroes clearly are! And there are also 2 sword-heroes (durandal and the sealed sword) so who says sword-locked units are bad! They saved Elibe!
Well at least the bow-hero is a nomad, not the worst class in the game.
There's different types of people who play games. Some optimize strategy, some prefer roleplaying and losing themselves in the fantasy. A balanced army is something that plays to the latter. Not that you're wrong in the least bit strategy wise.
Fire Emblem is the game where the highly trained military officer is useless and the random poor guy you get from a backwater village is your best unit.
It's not that people think it's BETTER or more effective to use units of different class or weapons, it's just more entertaining or diverse to do so, y'know?
Shouldnt being pwned by Zephiel a good impression? Either Zephiel sucked at killing or Cecilia so badass that she pretended to die out of pity for him.
I am one of those class by class people
But im aware that this is objectively a worse way to pay
I try to not use multiple of the same class just because I like to have a diverse army when I play. Though I know it’s not the optimal way to play
TIL FE6 AI likes to staff units in reverse deployment order