I am in the final steps of using a foam roller and rustoleum and learned the following. 1) You must thin the paint. I messed with a bunch of ratios and found 3 parts paint to 2 parts acetone worked best. 2) Use the best foam rollers you can. Spare no expense with these. I was using a 3" foam roller and went with a different 6" for the final coat and used cheaper 6" foam rollers and it looked really splotchy. 3) Do a coat, wait 4-5 hours and do another coat. Let it sit overnight and wet sand with 800-1200 and do two more coats. You will likely need 6 coats and you'll be fine.
Rolls-Royce used to hand paint cars using enamel coach paint (which is quite viscous) until the 1970s because cost-no-object it was better than spraying if you have to have a perfect finish (this was before filler primers.) Initially they would apply coach paint thickly and then "lay it off" almost immediately which meant using a very soft , fine brush to smooth the finish in a verticle pattern and consequently remove excess paint. When dry for a few days they would then sand this with very fine wet and dry before cleaning the vehicle. This would be repeated several times. The final coat of enamel would be thinned when applied (same process of laying off to smooyh) and, when dry, they would polish it with very fine cutting compound. Then, when cleaned with a tack cloth, a clear lacquer would be brushed on, allowed to dry and then cut back for the final perfect finish. One other trick is that with finishing you can prevent orange peel by heating the paint before applying which prevents orange peel. As any body shop guy will tell you though 99% of the effort is preparing the car, particularly now people favour primer fillers and guide coates instead of multiple paint layers. 🙂
As a professional painter with a brush and spray gun, should have rolled it on the then with a fairly dry brush gently feather the bubbles out before it drys, lightly heat the paint on a really cold car stretches out brush marks aswell. Stretches when warn drys and shrinks the brush marks out.
Also, try heating the paint to around 100 degF in a pot of warm water while you're painting - it really helps the paint flow out. You will be surprised. Some paint chemistries allow additives that will also promote flow out.
Thanks Boost Brothers. I have a 93 Plymouth Voyager Van that runs like new but the body needs a lot of work. I'm going to follow your example and paint it as you described. I'll probably watch your videos several more times to make sure "I got it". Thanks again for being willing to share your experiences!
Put ur compound on a terry cloth pad & rub it in a 4x4 area then buff side to side in a square overlapping the last strip by a quarter of your stripe. Then use terry cloth towels to polish ur work. Depending upon ur temperature & humidity is when you thin. A clear coat would reduce your peel alot. Rust Bullet makes a great product for this type of application & uses 2 coats & has a clear shot 1/2 pint for $17-$19. Use a firmer foam roller: on the hood u tend to lean/press more so your pressing air bubbles out of the foam as the paint dispenses onto a horizontal surface. On the side panel the tendency is to squeeze towards your pinky: this pushes the air out into the open air and not down under the paint. I thought it looked pretty decent. Detailing is an art if you’re good at it. Painting anything takes a learning curve! Good luck! Love that you have those girls out there!!
Before you do this again, look at how the Boat guys do it. They Roll and Tip, tipping is taking a soft brush and lightly going over what has just been rolled, it knocks the Tips off the orange peel.
@@BoostBrothersGarage you definitely want to tip your paint next time, you also want to use a foam roller for epoxy and polyurethane paints. Run your coat with the foam roller and immediately tip with a foam brush. Dry foam brush over the fresh paint, no weight on the brush (the weight of the brush on the surface of the paint) will take out all bubbles and leave a super nice sprayed on look. No Orange pero or súper minimal easy to sand and buff. If you use polyurethane paint you sand between coats with 320 grit sandpaper and roll it on and tip it. It will look like you sprayed it and will not even need to sand and buff, plus it’s super tough and very easy to patch and repair.
My brother used cans or spray lacquer on all his motorcycle builds and that stuff is MADE to wet sand. He would buff until the mirror reflection looked about an inch deep. He did one that held up beautifully for ten years. Do they even sell lacquer anymore? Pro tip: soak spray paint in pot of hot (not boiling) water to fully dissolve the solids and pigments. Sprays in a gorgeous fine mist after.
Golf balls have dimples for air flow. So more orange peel = faster car right? I am a huge fan of spending money on tools, rather then paying someone else.
Agreed! Your aero logic is sound, so i can only wonder how slow the car would have been without the dimples, cause it was slow as shit even with them haha.
That’s great... it’s a race car so I wouldn’t worry about the orange peel texture because it’s going to get dings while racing and you’re going to constantly paint and repair hit spots and you can improve a you repair or repaint... great video... great video!!!
Aren't you meant to roller it then lay it off with a brush? look into coach painting here in the UK they paint canal boats in this manner and it comes out a high gloss shine with no orange peel.
good job lads i think your need to use a more softer roller one with no small holes in it,i did a car bonnet with one and it was like a spray job ,but i did have to use that compound afterwards to make it smooth and shiney also light compound. thanks for sharing again
It might seem like foam rollers are a good idea, but the bubbles will kill you. "Professional" coach painters use short nap mohair rollers, then "tip off" the paint with a fine tipping brush.
This is why you use rustoleum, tractor and implement paint is good paint but it is hard and much tougher to cut with compound. It will be a good rough duty paint job though.
i would say if you really can't use a regular spray gun this is a good option... but if you are decent with a gun and can use this or rustelum or tractor paint it will save you hours of work and results will be top notch... even if you get orange peel it won't be nearly as bad... then just hit with 1500-2000 wetsand paper and buff with wool using a good medium grit polish...then keep going finer until you get results you are happy with... time taping is almost the same... time painting that car 3 -4 coats would be less than 20 mins actual painting and around 10 mins between coats...
If i wouldn’t have messed up the first coat, and done more coats in general, I could have wet sanded all the orange peel out and had a shockingly good end result
The buffer of death! Damn thing tried to eat your air hose. I must say I laughed so hard I had tears, of course this is because we who have used similar tools have all done this or something close to it, of course we would never actually admit it! What did you use to paint the black? I think it looks WUNDERBAR! Es ist sehr Schönes Great work guys! Thanks for sharing.
@@BoostBrothersGarage you should paint a Titleist emblem on it. I plan on using this same technique on my '03 Honda Odyssey which has suffered the same fate as every dark blue second gen Odyssey ever made. It peels like a grape. I just hope that everything that is gonna peel, has peeled.
$300 with $100 marginal cost per full repaint is far better than $600 for a Maaco job, and needing to spend every penny of that again when you run through a gravel trap.
I did 3 coats. If I did it again I would do 6-8 so there was more depth for sanding. With that many coats and lots of sanding I think it would have turned out REALLY nice. A gallon of paint should easily allow you to do 8 coats.
Got it thanks.. I am using 10W60 liqui moly but think 10W may be a bit thick for the winter, not that it gets very cold in CA.. In the past I have always used 0W that porsche recommends. I may need to go down to 5W During the winter. 20 W didn't know that was made..
very honest video and enjoyable to watch. From research with coach painting you lay of the roller paint with a brush which removes the chance of the orange peel you experienced.
It definitely would have been interesting. The overspray would have been pretty bad though, based off using that thing to paint my porch last weekend haha
I was going to do a cheap paint job on my 84 na I have eight cans of Rust-Oleum chrome paint which is actually like a bright silver and if you if you do the good prep work and masking job and actually wet sand between coats and then wet sand after plus hit it with some clear coat out of a can you could actually fool some people into thinking it was not out of a can
Ya know...it looks fine for its intended purpose. Especially since it cost you like only $400. Just don't really look at it closely until after a few beers and all will be good.
Seems like your buddy is on the lazy side next time use 3M tape masteen or fogger masking tape and don't let your buddy call you a liar about the tape lifting up maybe he should have been there and he could of did a perfect job I see how he basically got away without putting on the other two coats also in between coats if you do a light sanding dry come back with tack rag that would help you a lot remember the more hardener you use you shine here it's going to be you did a great job it said your partner did not do nothing but criticize I think he is on the lazy side oh so in
seems like a miserable experiance, ugh. I need to paint my truck badly but this looks so miserable Id rather just drive it looking like crap. $400 is a nice cheap economy paint job but how many hours did you spend on it and how much is your time worth? id prob rather just save up and pay a few grand for a so so pro paint job.
If I had to guess, 12 hours? Maybe 16. It wasn’t THAT bad. But, the results from a cheap Maaco job with us prepping would have been better and probably similar cost by the time we bought a DA, buffer etc
Boost Brothers Garage oh that’s not that bad then I guess I just imagined that it was more of an ordeal than it was I was picturing a week of solid screwing around with it. I do like the idea of just doing all the prep and having a pro spray it though had not thought of that option . I think yours came it fine for what it is though nice experiment .
I am in the final steps of using a foam roller and rustoleum and learned the following. 1) You must thin the paint. I messed with a bunch of ratios and found 3 parts paint to 2 parts acetone worked best. 2) Use the best foam rollers you can. Spare no expense with these. I was using a 3" foam roller and went with a different 6" for the final coat and used cheaper 6" foam rollers and it looked really splotchy. 3) Do a coat, wait 4-5 hours and do another coat. Let it sit overnight and wet sand with 800-1200 and do two more coats. You will likely need 6 coats and you'll be fine.
You definitely went into the project with a good attitude and realistic expectations. That alone made the project a success. Thank you
Thanks!!! All in all it was well worth it. And if I did it again I think I could make it way nicer than it has any business being!
Rolls-Royce used to hand paint cars using enamel coach paint (which is quite viscous) until the 1970s because cost-no-object it was better than spraying if you have to have a perfect finish (this was before filler primers.)
Initially they would apply coach paint thickly and then "lay it off" almost immediately which meant using a very soft , fine brush to smooth the finish in a verticle pattern and consequently remove excess paint. When dry for a few days they would then sand this with very fine wet and dry before cleaning the vehicle. This would be repeated several times.
The final coat of enamel would be thinned when applied (same process of laying off to smooyh) and, when dry, they would polish it with very fine cutting compound.
Then, when cleaned with a tack cloth, a clear lacquer would be brushed on, allowed to dry and then cut back for the final perfect finish.
One other trick is that with finishing you can prevent orange peel by heating the paint before applying which prevents orange peel. As any body shop guy will tell you though 99% of the effort is preparing the car, particularly now people favour primer fillers and guide coates instead of multiple paint layers. 🙂
As a professional painter with a brush and spray gun, should have rolled it on the then with a fairly dry brush gently feather the bubbles out before it drys, lightly heat the paint on a really cold car stretches out brush marks aswell. Stretches when warn drys and shrinks the brush marks out.
Also, try heating the paint to around 100 degF in a pot of warm water while you're painting - it really helps the paint flow out. You will be surprised. Some paint chemistries allow additives that will also promote flow out.
You dudes are crazy but it looks like y'all are having fun
Haha, that’s what it’s all about!
Thanks Boost Brothers. I have a 93 Plymouth Voyager Van that runs like new but the body needs a lot of work. I'm going to follow your example and paint it as you described. I'll probably watch your videos several more times to make sure "I got it". Thanks again for being willing to share your experiences!
Good luck Thomas!
Hey @thomasdunn8214 did u ever paint your car?
Put ur compound on a terry cloth pad & rub it in a 4x4 area then buff side to side in a square overlapping the last strip by a quarter of your stripe. Then use terry cloth towels to polish ur work.
Depending upon ur temperature & humidity is when you thin. A clear coat would reduce your peel alot. Rust Bullet makes a great product for this type of application & uses 2 coats & has a clear shot 1/2 pint for $17-$19. Use a firmer foam roller: on the hood u tend to lean/press more so your pressing air bubbles out of the foam as the paint dispenses onto a horizontal surface. On the side panel the tendency is to squeeze towards your pinky: this pushes the air out into the open air and not down under the paint. I thought it looked pretty decent. Detailing is an art if you’re good at it. Painting anything takes a learning curve! Good luck! Love that you have those girls out there!!
Before you do this again, look at how the Boat guys do it. They Roll and Tip, tipping is taking a soft brush and lightly going over what has just been rolled, it knocks the Tips off the orange peel.
I’ll check it out, thanks!
@@BoostBrothersGarage you definitely want to tip your paint next time, you also want to use a foam roller for epoxy and polyurethane paints. Run your coat with the foam roller and immediately tip with a foam brush. Dry foam brush over the fresh paint, no weight on the brush (the weight of the brush on the surface of the paint) will take out all bubbles and leave a super nice sprayed on look. No Orange pero or súper minimal easy to sand and buff. If you use polyurethane paint you sand between coats with 320 grit sandpaper and roll it on and tip it. It will look like you sprayed it and will not even need to sand and buff, plus it’s super tough and very easy to patch and repair.
The buddy seemed mad about a few runs! But the rest of the turd looked damn good bro!
This was really interesting 🧐 impressive for what it is!
My brother used cans or spray lacquer on all his motorcycle builds and that stuff is MADE to wet sand. He would buff until the mirror reflection looked about an inch deep. He did one that held up beautifully for ten years. Do they even sell lacquer anymore? Pro tip: soak spray paint in pot of hot (not boiling) water to fully dissolve the solids and pigments. Sprays in a gorgeous fine mist after.
I've heard that before too. Lay it on thick and sand it all down!
Golf balls have dimples for air flow. So more orange peel = faster car right?
I am a huge fan of spending money on tools, rather then paying someone else.
Agreed! Your aero logic is sound, so i can only wonder how slow the car would have been without the dimples, cause it was slow as shit even with them haha.
Well kids dig it
4 x the time and effort. 3 - the time.
not good at maths these guys.
you dont do abortions at home for a reason. get a pro on it
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@@CA-qr6kz ur mexican. lol poor
That’s great... it’s a race car so I wouldn’t worry about the orange peel texture because it’s going to get dings while racing and you’re going to constantly paint and repair hit spots and you can improve a you repair or repaint... great video... great video!!!
My thoughts exactly. Thanks!!!
You guys did great. Good luck and stay safe at the track.
Thanks Jose, much appreciated!
Congratulations! Must feel pretty awesome to have a race car.
Thanks! It has been a long time coming, we are super pumped!
Aren't you meant to roller it then lay it off with a brush? look into coach painting here in the UK they paint canal boats in this manner and it comes out a high gloss shine with no orange peel.
id think waiting longer between coats..perhaps? painting onto tacky paint - different than fully dried. perhaps heat gun?
Great job! Really like the black accents. Looking forward to hearing about your racing exploits.
Thanks Glen! It’s day 2 today, and there have already been some interesting developments lol
Nicely done guys!
Thanks!!!
good job lads i think your need to use a more softer roller one with no small holes in it,i did a car bonnet with one and it was like a spray job ,but i did have to use that compound afterwards to make it smooth and shiney also light compound. thanks for sharing again
We’ll give that a shot next time!
Good job see it now looks even better then it did before keep it up ;) 🙂😆😁😎
Thanks Aubs!!!
The finish looks so good. What did you guys do the black paint? Not the stickers.
Just Rustoleum spray can!
It might seem like foam rollers are a good idea, but the bubbles will kill you. "Professional" coach painters use short nap mohair rollers, then "tip off" the paint with a fine tipping brush.
Thanks for the input!
Looks like a real race car.
Thanks Joe! Looks WAY faster than it is haha
Hell looks good to me bros! Seriously gonna do this to my project truck
Do it! Just follow the few tips we gave and i think you’ll be pleased!
If it’s you’re first time buffing a car use a little water in a spray bottle to stop you burning through the paint work while practicing
Thanks for the tip!
This is why you use rustoleum, tractor and implement paint is good paint but it is hard and much tougher to cut with compound. It will be a good rough duty paint job though.
I didn’t thank about that but it makes sense, it was tough as hell to cut. Wet sanding was easy enough though!
good learning and teaching method here!
Well done gents :-)
Thanks!!!
i would say if you really can't use a regular spray gun this is a good option... but if you are decent with a gun and can use this or rustelum or tractor paint it will save you hours of work and results will be top notch... even if you get orange peel it won't be nearly as bad... then just hit with 1500-2000 wetsand paper and buff with wool using a good medium grit polish...then keep going finer until you get results you are happy with... time taping is almost the same... time painting that car 3 -4 coats would be less than 20 mins actual painting and around 10 mins between coats...
If i wouldn’t have messed up the first coat, and done more coats in general, I could have wet sanded all the orange peel out and had a shockingly good end result
The Rustoleum paint said by most seems to level out
The buffer of death! Damn thing tried to eat your air hose. I must say I laughed so hard I had tears, of course this is because we who have used similar tools have all done this or something close to it, of course we would never actually admit it! What did you use to paint the black? I think it looks WUNDERBAR! Es ist sehr Schönes Great work guys! Thanks for sharing.
Hahaha, screw that buffer! It happened so fast lol. The spray paint is Rustoleum Universal gloss black Paint and Primer, it did great!
Oh okay cool! Thanks.
Sure thing
All said and done looks great with the decals but the black accents and wheels made it
Yeah, those really helped a lot. Thanks!
Amazing video
Thanks!!!
Cool looking car!
A case of good looking from afar but far from good looking ;) But who cares, it's a track car! Good luck with it! :)
Haha, well said and very true! Thanks!
That's a really good buffer I have the same one
Just need to learn how to use it now haha
Have you heard anything about card painting?
I have not. Work for this application?
@@BoostBrothersGarage its a way of applying paint with putty knife or a plastic card. Specially for touch ups
I can remember when UK built Ford vans left the factory with orange peel - as standard.
Add flood penetrol to the paint and the paint will self level
Don’t you think it would have made more sense testing this on a small test piece? Go grab some sheet metal and give it a few coats
Sure! But it’s a track car and it really wasn’t a big deal.
Orange peel surface is actually aerodynamically superior to smooth. Well done. This should get you a slight improvement in top speed.
Just like a golf ball!
@@BoostBrothersGarage you should paint a Titleist emblem on it.
I plan on using this same technique on my '03 Honda Odyssey which has suffered the same fate as every dark blue second gen Odyssey ever made. It peels like a grape. I just hope that everything that is gonna peel, has peeled.
Haha, sponsored by Titleist!
Just do lots of coats and you’ll have plenty of material to wet sand it down to make a really nice finish.
$300 with $100 marginal cost per full repaint is far better than $600 for a Maaco job, and needing to spend every penny of that again when you run through a gravel trap.
Agreed! Still think it’s an ideal choice for a cheap track car
Can't believe you left that grinder running with that hose wrapped around it.
Tractor paint is a lot harder than plan ole rustoleum.
Yeah it’s held up really well
In case you see the comment, how many coats did you apply in the end and how much paint did you use?
I did 3 coats. If I did it again I would do 6-8 so there was more depth for sanding. With that many coats and lots of sanding I think it would have turned out REALLY nice. A gallon of paint should easily allow you to do 8 coats.
@@BoostBrothersGarage Thank you for the quick reply.
Nice, well well done..What type of Oil are you running? Liqui moly 10W60?
Brad Penn 20w-50, based on reading way too many internet threads lol
Got it thanks.. I am using 10W60 liqui moly but think 10W may be a bit thick for the winter, not that it gets very cold in CA.. In the past I have always used 0W that porsche recommends. I may need to go down to 5W During the winter. 20 W didn't know that was made..
That weight seemed to be the standard answer for track cars, along with a slight overfill. Not sure ok road cars though!
very honest video and enjoyable to watch.
From research with coach painting you lay of the roller paint with a brush which removes the chance of the orange peel you experienced.
Definitely trying that next time!
What are the rim & Tire spec? its a 5 x 130?
5x130, 16x8. Unfortunately I don’t know the offset... Tires are Bridgestone RE71R, 225/50/16 square.
Thanks a lot!
Honestly for a person who might just have a car and doesnt care much if the paint is not the best I thing the rooler did a good job idk
I think it would have turned out a little better if you use the Harbor Freight spray gun
It definitely would have been interesting. The overspray would have been pretty bad though, based off using that thing to paint my porch last weekend haha
I was going to do a cheap paint job on my 84 na I have eight cans of Rust-Oleum chrome paint which is actually like a bright silver and if you if you do the good prep work and masking job and actually wet sand between coats and then wet sand after plus hit it with some clear coat out of a can you could actually fool some people into thinking it was not out of a can
Absolutely. If you wet sand between coats, and have enough thickness to color sand after, the results can turn out really solid
Nothing wrong with that!!!
Ya know...it looks fine for its intended purpose. Especially since it cost you like only $400. Just don't really look at it closely until after a few beers and all will be good.
Haha, from track side it looks great, and that’s all that matters! If we did it again we could make it pretty nice, but this will work for now
You can get a nice Macco job for that much. And not have to do any work
Not bad !!
Thanks Frank!
Seems like your buddy is on the lazy side next time use 3M tape masteen or fogger masking tape and don't let your buddy call you a liar about the tape lifting up maybe he should have been there and he could of did a perfect job I see how he basically got away without putting on the other two coats also in between coats if you do a light sanding dry come back with tack rag that would help you a lot remember the more hardener you use you shine here it's going to be you did a great job it said your partner did not do nothing but criticize I think he is on the lazy side oh so in
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Litterally should have painted the car orange. :D
Lol, I think the dimples improve aero
should have gone to maco
At lea it's one color brothers.
Preach
Should have just went to Macco
It's not the paint . It's the person doing it that doesn't know very much about 1. Painting . 2 detailing. Not bad for a complete noob.
Much respect for the effort.but it came out terrible. 5 stars for effort
seems like a miserable experiance, ugh. I need to paint my truck badly but this looks so miserable Id rather just drive it looking like crap. $400 is a nice cheap economy paint job but how many hours did you spend on it and how much is your time worth? id prob rather just save up and pay a few grand for a so so pro paint job.
If I had to guess, 12 hours? Maybe 16. It wasn’t THAT bad. But, the results from a cheap Maaco job with us prepping would have been better and probably similar cost by the time we bought a DA, buffer etc
Boost Brothers Garage oh that’s not that bad then I guess I just imagined that it was more of an ordeal than it was I was picturing a week of solid screwing around with it. I do like the idea of just doing all the prep and having a pro spray it though had not thought of that option . I think yours came it fine for what it is though nice experiment .
Definitely a fun experiment and a no brainer for a track rat
Need to flip that flag on the passenger side.. It's backwards for a vehicle..
I know, decal shop screwed up and we ran out of time before the race! Still need to get it fixed lol
What are the dimensions? I've got a vinyl cutter. LOL
3x5 ish? If you could print a L and a R I’d be happy to Venmo / PayPal you some money!
Boost Brothers Garage Is it matte or gloss?
BellyUpFish gloss, but doesn’t matter either way
We don't have any Meeeeers.
Where we’re going we don’t need any meeeeers! Actually, we did, lol
You wouldnt have so much orange peep, if you have stuck to useing the thinner on all the coats.
Owners a jerk 😂
Fail
Боже как же много болтовни!
put two or three Moron......yer your a Moron right...
Horrible job
Thanks!