The Premium Tank: First Edge 5050 Survival Knife
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What a beast of a knife. Looks like a Gold class BK2
Yep!
I think it looks like an esee 5
Both very similar blades.
Wish they actually just made a BK2 or ESEE 5 GOLD CLASS..ya know for $150-175
Being a knife guy, if I were a Navy Seal and the military issued me that knife, I would be stoked, beautiful one tool option, what a tank! As a backpacker , I carry a Lapander, a tomahawk and a bushcraft knife that has 1/8" steel. Excellent review, beautiful forest.
I carry a GSO-3.5 in 3V with green micarta scales. Soon to have an AA Forge custom bushcrafter!
I've wanted to something by Sykco for the handles, they look comfortable.
As an owner of this knife I tell my tale....So I am usually The Camp Leader for my family. The last time I we went out I was stuck in the tent (stomach issue) so my wife took charge. Wife had this knife on her belt. She collected and processed all the firewood and processed small pieces to start the base of our camp fire. She beat this thing like red headed step child (sorry gingers) when she was done this knife was still hair popping sharp. I'm a believer. Worth every penny
Yes have seen a few video about this knife I even contacted Paul from hedgehog leather asking him any plan of making a new model sheath for this knife, love it!
I've owned and used my 5050 and 5150 for awhile now... not a single complaint about either of them.
The 5050 is a reliable tank and I have zero concerns with its ability to do everything a knife should do, plus things only a hammer, axe, or prybar should be expected to do.
I own/owned many Striders, Busses, Beckers, ZT's, Medfords, Bark Rivers, etc... the 5050 and 5150 meets or exceeds all of them, and the elmax is possibly the best all-around steel available today.
Compared to most of the knives mentioned, the 5050 (and 5150) are a bargain.
I modded my 5050 a bit - I ground the glassbreaker down to a ~4mm exposed pommel that is parallel with the g10, looks good and increased its bush capabilities a little (and I have no doubt it'll still break anything breakable).
After some hard use the bead-blast finish wasn't perfect, so it spent a few minutes on the belt sander then some hand work for a nice satin finish and sharp spine.
Its a little on the heavy side for "bushcraft", but if I could have only one knife...
Who's ever gonna use a knife to the point of the elmax offering an outcome of performance LOL ...Its like
"Man I'm sure glad I had that Elmax steel cause that dragon would have kicked my butt, the Becker might have went dull after stabbing through them Dragon scales"😂😂😅😅
No but it would likely have rusted.
One more thing about that sheath...it is reversible. Undo those four screws and swap the webbing to the other side and it is good for left side carry.
Your video helped me pull the trigger on this blade.
Good review yet again Aaron, thanks.
It'd be nice to see a couple Bark River Elmax knives reviewed at some point too.
I know they're mostly intended for a different purpose, other than a tactical-type application, but would still be nice to see them in action and getting the famous Gideon's Tactical, in depth review :-)
Take care.
Have both the 5050 and 5150 and love it!
Man if you ever sell it ill but it from u double what u paid for . I lost mine
In this case I know of what I speak, you get what you pay for. For those who serve and are privileged to own the 5050 or the 5150 they are workhorses and take if need be tremendous abuse. I've know guys that haven't needed to touch the blade for several months during (we're always training) training. Even after a hard mission these blades never fail. That being said these knives are not general civilian survival, bush-craft or camp knives. Bottom Line: they're the toughest knives you'll ever find and they'll never let you down and whatever meets either end of these knives will suffer greatly. Happy 4th of July y'all.
Excellent review you always nail it to be honest. All the important stuff you have already talked about those things. I wondering if you can reccommend a GOOD folding knife? My favourite used to be SOG Visionary I & II but those two knives are discontinued and I want G10 on my scales and at least VG10 steel. I will probarbly buy this knife as well for my dad. Thank you, Martin
Hi gideon,
Could you do a vid of a list of preferred survival gloves? For basic woodwork, etc.
Many thanks.
Nice review. Gonna have to save some serious money... hope you can put it face to face with the esee 5.
Fearsome stainless survival knife!
That blade looks sweet. Nice video Aaron.
Thanks for watching my friend.
Hey Aaron, great review as usual. Even though that is a sweet blade (love the rust resistant properties, but I live in Arizona), the price is just a bit too steep even for Elmax. I seriously appreciate the review though! It's always cool to see different gear, and find out new styles/companies/features that I might otherwise not be aware of. Thanks.
No joke it is a high price, but I contacted a few custom knife makers ask if that price is reasonable for an Elmax blade this thick and they agreed it was a fair price. Costs a lot to buy, heat treat, and eats belts when grinding.
Sorry, I meant the price was too steep for me. For Elmax it's probably in the sweet spot for the reasons you mentioned. (Already have one of those Esee 5's!) Thanks man.
I have a BK2 and i really like the handle. It has a good edge and i really enjoy using it. Now i was interested in to getting the BK2 in to more exotic steel version. Do you think that this knife will be the one ? I do some chopping with my BK2.
Send it to the gauntlet!! We need more gauntlet reviews and final conclusion when you get it back. This knife definitely speaks to me more than the Esee 5. But I'd take the Esee 5 and BK over this simply because of price.
how would you compare it to the Bravo 4 (especially now that the handle is longer) ?
would you plan on reviewing the fiddlebackforge (production) camp knife
thx for the video keep up the good work!
Nicely done, thanks for the info again mate. Cheers
No problem! Thanks for watching!
Hey, have you ever thought of reviewing the peltonen m95 knife? It is a military style knife used by finnish defence forces but also a great camp knife. Carbon steel, flat ground or high sabre, 3 sheath options (leather, kydex, plastic). It's made by fiskars, i think.
off the First Edge website: "FirstEdge™ innovates superior quality, highly functional products that solve real-life problems. Our founders partnered with U.S. Special Forces when their knives and sheaths were failing in the extreme conditions of the field. FirstEdge™ addressed the concerns of the Special Forces and created a superior knife and sheath that withstand the demands encountered in the most extreme conditions of training and deployment." To me all that means is they dealt some members of the U.S. Special Forces,not the special forces as a whole, or even one specific part of the them, which means a BK2 can say the same thing if it was carried by someone in the special forces....
i looked into this and theres no actual info about them co tracting of the navy even useing this knife
I couldn’t find this even through your link. When I looked for the knife they only have a serrated version available now
cool knife, price is a killer though + I really dont want a knife too hard to get a good edge back on. Any thoughts on a good stainless (better than 440) thats comparitve to 1095 in ease of sharpening?
Price a side, would you have the 50/50 or the bravo 4 by J Wolfe, for what you do?
Hey what's up nice video. I am looking at the 5050 but I have the bk2 I think I will stick with. But on the other hand I see that first edge has put out one I like its the 5150 field knife I think this one is more like the steel will dark angel, esee 6 ,and the bk7. I would love to see you comparing the three of them
I just might
But is it stout? Great review. Lmax is perfect for salt water.
This is great reviews
Beautiful knife
Which proves again that beauty is purely in the eye of the beholder.
I'm re-watching this vid now, & it's really striking how good you are in front of the camera man. Well, not the cameraman, the camera, man. I dig & often share your opinions, but it's your professionalism & polish that I'm really noticing right now....& not for the 1st time of course, just saying it's hitting me as I'm re-watching this - even the smoothness of the open; you unsheathe the knife & go into your monologue seamlessly, it's just impressive brother. If I didn't have any idea who you were, & say my oldest boy showed this, or another one of your vids to me, I'd assume you were a famous TV personality. You don't get enough credit for your mix of talent & skill....maybe it's the Friday talking, but you really blow me away A-A-ron, & it's my pleasure & honor to call you a fake Interwebs friend, that I don't know....thanks for all you do for us knife dorks, it is mucho appreciated-o.
Thanks so much my friend! That really means a lot!!!
I am looking to get this!
great, great review
This is nit picking but why do sheath makers leave a short tag on the retaining snap
I love the look of it, but the design is almost a direct copy of a ESEE 5. The material choice makes it nicer though
Same as the Esee 5 and ka-bar bk 2
Hey Gideon, awesome review. Been looking around for a knife that I’d be happy to spend money on and after watching this, this is definitely it! Was wondering if you still had this knife, and if you do, if you’d consider selling it. Can’t find it anywhere! If you happen to see this, let me know! Much appreciated 🤙🏻
You should have compared it with Esee 5 since it's a copy of it.
Please do the recently new TOPS Brakimo next! I'm considering purchasing it next and I would love to hear your thoughts on the knife!
It is in the blade boot camp right now
gideonstacticalAwesome! Thanks. Let me know if you like the knife and think it's worth it. I'm thinking about getting one soon. I love your videos by the way I'm a big fan. You know your stuff.
Does anyone know the grind angle the knife ships with?
for me often when i'm watching video's i;m researching and i don't have much time to waste. as much as i like watching your video's it would be nice if you said the price in the beginning XD thx man
Would you do a video about what your most EDC-ed folder is? Or if you have dedicated one to that subject, could you show it to me?
If neither of those are answerable, could you at least answer it here?
Hello there. I'm somewhat new to the channel, an I really enjoy your videos. May I request you do a short video on the pros and cons of different types of steel please? I've heard you throw terms around like "Stainless Steel" and "High Carbon" with different numbers. I've tried to look online but there's just too much detail. I'd just like to know some of the 'practicalities', if you will, of the different types of steel. Thank you!
theres a lot of short videos on it already. i would recommend learning the basics before watching knife reviews otherwise it co,fuses the heck out of u
Being very brutish, high carbon steel will generally give you great edge retention and ease of sharpening with also good toughness, but will rust extremely fast on you (and rusted steel leads to the dark side, because it causes anger, hate and suffering). Stainless steels got you covered on the rusting issue, but a stainless that goes about for THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY than a high carbon is usually less resistant to the use that Aaron and other youtubers usually puts them through, either they dull in no time, they suffer some deformation (rolling, warping, etc) or they just chip or even worse, snap at a certain point (however snapping is very uncommon and is mostly due to manufacturing issues).
There's another topic that might confuse you, which is the Rockwell Hardness. That means that a knife (or a part of it) has a certain degree of wear resistance (the ability to hold a V shape rather than turn into a U with use), generally the higher the HRC the better it'll hold an edge, but the more prone it'll be to break rather than deform).
Supersteels combine the best of all worlds IF MANUFACTURED RIGHT, which is very costly, thus the very high pricing.
So, the discussion between the FE 5050 and the BK2 comes to the point "Do I wanna triplicate the price for added corrosion resistance and an ability to hold an edge longer, even taking into consideration that I might not be able to resharpen it when most needed?"
Usually most of us mortals don't have the need to go beyond 1095 for a high carbon or 440C for a stainless.
Thanks for another great vid! I do a lot of the same stuff that Navy SEALs do, so I'm wondering if I need to pick up one of these knives....I don't love the grind or the tip, or the scales, but um...again, I do a lot of SEAL stuff all the time, so, I just don't know - it's a toss up for me right now. What do think I should do Aaron??
You do a lot of "SEAL"stuff,do ya?LOL
gideonstactical Thank You so much for the great Channel.
I am wondering Which knife would be best for cutting large quantity of hard wood? Do ESEE Junglas, ESEE 6, BK9, or Tops Silent Hero work? What do you recommend?
Thanks and I am glad you enjoy the channel. When you say cutting, do you mean carving or chopping and batoning, or both?
I meant chopping and batoning
Thanks
Elmax is good stuff, though I like it only for folding knives, not on fixed blade knives.
Aaron, I'm kind of thinking out loud here, but why in the hell would they harden the steel to that Rockwell for use in those conditions? Seems to defy the laws of nature! Make the steel super hard which makes it more brittle and then expose it to temperatures that will cause it to be even more brittle. Logically, it does not add up, at least for me. I know the thickness will overcome some of the brittleness in use, but not completely. I bet you that edge and lower parts of the grind are going to chip in chunks in sub-zero temps under moderately hard use. If I'm way off base, somebody set me straight, please! Hope I am not coming off like a jerk, just trying to wrap my head around this whole high Rockwell/cold weather use thing. Thanks for the review!
No usually I would totally agree. That makes sense, but the teams that contracted them made them wait a year to sell it to the public so they could really use and test it. They were obvious happy with it in those condition. I have no way of testing it to that extreme. For average temps it is very tough with my use. Hope that helps.
I got 2 of these! One has 2 stars on the blade! The other one has no stars on the blade! I have seen 1 star on the blades! Can someone tell me what the difference is? Please let me know! Thanks in advance!
I like Elmax and my TRC knives, model Bushcraft does have elmax. With the 5050 the weight and price are a turn off. And that glass breaker is a bit aggressive for me. I'm not in the military any more, but I can see why soldiers would like a knife like that as a one tool option.
Hi Aaron. My name is Walter. I live in south america. In Argentina. I've been following the channel for some time now. I want your opinión or thoughts on a knife if you can. Of course. I am interested in the first edge 5250 in 440c. What do think of the 440c heat treated in the USA. Thank you and congrats on the channel. I don't miss a video.
What knife do you recommend for chopping and batoning?
more specific plz? these questions are way too general to answer.
damn, solid knife
I wonder why they went with that cheap nylon web single strapping ? seals use a lot of air insertions so I would have at least put two snap straps with Velcro around them.
Issued to NS or any SF means very little at that level you chose your gear... The company's pay the US Govt a hefty price to use the tag.
How easy is it to re-sharpen the Elmax steel?..
I had a BK7 that took me 10 minutes to get back to razor sharp. Now I have this and I can hardly get it shaving sharp after 25 minutes. I like the knife, but it totally sucks dick to put a good edge back on.
Say Heah Aaron, I trust your input, I have another $64,000.00 question, After experiencing the 50/50 how would you stack it up against the Ratmandu, and if it was in the INFI Steel, I Wish you a Safe Summer. Someone told me Elma was great for a folder but not so much a fix blade, But here your praising it. Oh, and how about comparing it to 3V in that size, Thanx, Bud.
It is very good. I don't have my ratmandu in INFI steel. It is SR101. The Elmax is more rust resistant then 3V. Hope that helps my friend.
Yeah, But would I NEED more rust resistance in the bush, or have a stronger edge holding knife, I guess that's what I, 'm asking, What I read into your reply, You think 3 is the way for you. Sure I' very been on trips that it remained for the whole duration, Ok, I have a question, 3V or Elmax, what say you ?
Is it full tang or skeletonized?
Full tang
They dropped the MSRP down to $250, so it is now about $233 on Amazon!
i'm sceptical so i've tested the hell out of the 5150 and asure you theese things ar neareley industructabele.no kidding
Nice video and fine knife, but before you put out 300 for that look at Esee , Kabar and Tops knives
Absolutely
What fixed blade would u guys recommend for 50$ or lower?
I am doing a video on that exact topic, top 4 belt knives for $50. Should be up in late July.
Thanks.
Awesome!
ok bk2 it is then
Totally interested, until I saw the price :0
It is a high price, but I contacted a few custom knife makers ask if that price is reasonable for an Elmax blade this thick and they agreed it was a fair price. Costs a lot to buy, heat treat, and eats belts when grinding.
Makes sense...I just wonder how many people will pay a low gun price for a knife, if you know what I mean :)
This looks like an Esee and BK2 had a baby.
Pretty big baby
We want to see Tactical batton a Sequoia Tree with that knife!
To get rid of that rattle in sheath,, you can screw down the screws tighter,, that's it!!
Nahhhh, $300??
When Ka-bar is going to sell me a nearly identical knife for 85 bucks off of Amazon with different steel. ✌🏽️
Or an Esee 5 for $150. Still expensive but a tank of a knife.
I agree. I understand it has some neat features but they're banking on the whole "tactical" customer. The price is ridiculous!
+Thomas Jackson It is a high price, but I contacted a few custom knife makers and ask if that price is reasonable for an Elmax blade this thick and they agreed it was a fair price. Costs a lot to buy, heat treat, and eats belts when grinding.
+gideonstactical Okay, good to know.
If it eats belts just think how hard it will be to sharpen !!!
Been hearing great reports on this company. HT up to 62 ? What's the theory of use behind that ? Durable, but less flex, right ?...... PAPA DUKES
That would be true
With the mass and relative shortness of that blade , I don't think flex would be an issue. Looks like you could chop your way out of a tank with it.
john rossi
to pry and not snap tip
Finn Green Flex would better imo, so the knife tip wouldn't be so stressed it would snap. You can only take the heat-treat so high and then the toughness makes it brittle. Gotta get the HT just right. That being said, I think some people expect too much from a knife. It's for cutting, not prying. Crow bars are for prying. I have a mini pry bar. They're great. All the best !... PAPA DUKES
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Nice knife but even with Elmax, I think the price is inflated. Probably because they can market the Seals thing.
I own a ZT 0560 in Elmax, granted its less metal but this is a more complex folder with bearing pivot, 3D machined titanium scales and matching G10. Folders cost way more to make have more complex machining and must be precisely built yet it cost significantly less than this.
At this price they are competing with the absolute best in that size.
I have a Scrapyard 711 that was half that price, is over 7" with a steel I would put up ahaonst Elmax in anything but corrosion resistance.
$250 I might understand but this is a bit crazy.
First Edge is Great if you're a collector, but for a "combat knife" the ZT0100 costs less because you actually pay for the knife quality and not the marketing; military,tactical, special forces blah blah blah. if a survival knife you want there so many great ones for a fraction of the cost of a first First Edge knife. RLTW!
It looks just like an esee5
Everyone is trying to copy the bk2, but it seems they can't, or maybe do. But one thing for sure is they can't beat the price of the bk2. Why would anyone buy this knife when the bk2 is way cheaper. I'll stick with the bk2.
Nice but 3 bills is steep
Agreed!
if anyone has a serviceable 5050 theyre willing to part with please let me know
No sharpening choil alone would rule this out for me. I really don't understand the thinking behind not designing a sharpening choil into a knife.
Really cool knife if you had money to burn. I'd buy a bk2 for $60-70 and a set of tires for my car. Lol?
Does anyone know anything about actual SEAL teams choosing to carry this thing?
It's not an actual team. The SEALs have a training complex on Kodiak Island. SEAL candidates (at least the west coast ones) receive cold weather survival training there. I'm guessing candidates are issued this knife during the course. Just to be thorough, by candidates I mean those who have not become full-fledged SEALs but have graduated BUDS. Not diminishing the accomplishment of "only" graduating BUDS. If you can make it through BUDS and it's Hell Week, you are a badass in my book.
+warriorethic nice!
warriorethic
That's the thing... everyone seems to be "guessing" on what the SEALs actual use of this knife is. I haven't seen actual naval representatives speak to its use and success. I did see an actual SEAL talk about the 5150 but it was given to him for review and he really didn't know much about it.
I understand where you are coming from. But finding someone in the know to confirm actual type of use will be hard to come by, especially on youtube. I know that for a long time the Cold Steel SRK was issued during BUDS to candidates. From that information I concluded what I stated above. The fact is SEALs have a lot of leeway and discretion when determining what gear they will use. That means team to team or even by individual, gear carried may vary somewhat. Furthermore, gear carried is often mission specific. Gear carried for a an urban mission may be drastically different from gear carried during a mission in the mountains of Afghanistan, obviously. While some representative may declare something is the official such and such of the Navy SEALs, it may be lip service only or a very broad generalization. For the most part they carry whatever they damn well please, within reason, if they can justify it's usefulness for the current mission. I've read multiple books written by former SEALs and spoken with two personally. (Right place, right time, I'm a nobody) While there were certainly contradictions between what I have read and what I have been told personally, a common thread was how much discretion they were allowed when it came to gear(and mission planning, but that's a whole other can of worms.) In short, the answer you are looking for you will not find, short of being one yourself. Sure, it is a guess. But I would like to think it is an educated one.
I think your "guess" is a good one... thanks!
I thought I was looking at an Esee 5.
Yep
When this vid was made it was 315 now it's 225
Please give us the price earlier in the vids. Wow. No thanks. Not for that much. Plenty of working knives for far less.
No way, can't do that. Lol got to show you want it is before I drop an A-Bomb like that! True plenty of cheaper knives, but few this tough that are stainless with this edge retention.
Expensive tho
Cool hammer (:
Expensive however as is said. You get what u pay for
I was like yeah, yeah, yeah.... (Price $315) OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haha totally understand
I got one! It's a good knife! It is heavy! It's the exact size as the BK-2 and Esee 5! Same thing but tougher steel supposedly! The scales are grippy! The sheath is good! Save your money and just get a BK-2 or Esee 5 unless your dead set on wanting one and paying $300 now! They are hard to find now!
классный нож, спасибо за обзор. Всегда с удовольствием смотрю ролики. с нетерпением жду новых видосов
What?
Save buy a good knife
Get a winkler
make it out of 1095 and make it 120 bucks
🤦♂️ Watch the Video... The Knife is for Cold WEATHER
Over built heavy knifes are useless bulky and I dont see military wanting that kind of baggage.
Way to much money for this knife