Hello Mr. Rimfire. Great channel, great content. I just wanted to mention, we shoot 30 matches a year. Ten shots at 100 yds. and 10 shots at 150 yds. When we tested the cci Standard Velocity, the flyers at 50 yds. turned into shots at 150 yds that were out of the scoring circle. 0 points. One zero at 150 yds. and you pack up and go home. But to give them credit, we also shoot 30 to 40 red dot pistol, steel challenge matches per year and the cci"s work out just fine. 7 yds to 25 yds, they shoot very well. We shoot so much, we try to keep the cost down. Thank you for your channel.
I hear ya on the cost. I have some Norma Match that doesn’t shoot in the rifles but does very well in the handguns. Other than that the CCI Blazers work well in the Handguns also.
I’m just a recreational target shooter and have not shot any ammo more expensive than Eley Force, so my experience is limited. Both out of a modified 10/22 and a stock Ruger RPR CCI SV has shot really well. .35-.5 out of the 10/22 & .24 - .4 out of the RPR with ok consistency for $5 a box ammo. It’s all been from the same lot. So far CCI has been worth shooting, it’s cheap & consistent enough that I don’t feel like I’m wasting my time using it. Love your channel!
Thanks and I’ve had some lots of Standard Velocity that have done well, it’s just not consistent lot to lot in most of my rifles. It’s decent practice ammunition though.
Great Video! My results with CCI have been simlar, as such I've don't consider any CCI ammo to be "match" ammo. That said, I shoot CCI Standard Velocity all the time as a step above "bulk" ammo, and I do most of my pistol shooting with it, as well as "offhand" rifle shooting. I have not noticed the amount of "audible" inconsistency you did in the video, but my most accurate guns hover around .5"-.6" with Standard Velocity at 50 yards, the same guns that will do .2s and .3s with Midas +. Every box of Green Tag and Pistol Match I have ever bought didn't shoot much better than plain old standard velocity.
My MTR shoots cci sv bout the same as yours... if i want to have tighter groups with cci sv i break out the Mark II FVSR! that thing LOVES cci sv! doesn't care for much else though. great vid and thx for saving me money on the other cci variants ;) cheers
Late to this party but I bought a box of CCI Standard Velocity for the first time to take my daughter to the range (her first time with my CZ457). She hit a 4" gong at 100yds 22 times in a row.. For plinking I was impressed, especially considering it's price. It was as good as rws in my rifle
Very good vid. I agree with you that the CCI is not the 'bee's knees' I assume your groups were at 50yds. I too have a CZ mtr and it shoots well with SK LR but I still have the errant 'wtf' I have been using Lapua Long Range and it is 'slightly' better at the longer ranges. We shoot out to 250yds and sub moa. I have managed almost moa at 250 but it is ALWAYS dependent on the wind. I shoot a CZ mtr with a Harrel tuner, Bravo stock, Jard trigger, Vortex gen iii RZR, and the ammo has been sorted by weight and rim thickness. The biggest improvement I have found is using the 'Kroil and JB bore brite" to polish the barrel. Also between relays at matches I will 'plug the chamber and 'tape' the muzzle. My cold bore shots are not as 'wild'. Thanks again for your vids.
My family think I am crazy as I weigh my PCP and rimfire ammo. I didn’t load it myself and inconsistency does make a difference in competition. Even top quality ammo is not 100% consistent. If you are going to shoot a competition with 3 or 5 round groups, use the ammo that is the same length, weighs the same and has the same neck width. It helps to get ammo that is likely to perform the same in the same group. With rimfire I use slightly wider tolerances, but with PCP the slugs/pellets are sorted in ranges of within 5/1000 of a gram of each other. When I shoot I will use only what comes from one weighed packet. In that way I know that I am likely to get the same/similar results. It may seem stupid, but half a gram makes a difference at distance. The same with rimfire. If they weigh the same, same length, same neck size, it means it is likely to have the same amount of propellent and bullet weight. Not a science, as I didn’t load them myself. But better than taking them out the box and hoping for the best in a competition.
CCI standard velocity is always hit and miss in my rifles. The one rifle that loved it, I recently traded for a CZ 457 American. That was a Savage MKII FVT target rifle. It would shoot the SV into tight clusters. Even with it's factory iron sights. It was not uncommon to shoot 10 into the x ring, with a measurement of .5-.7". With a scope, it was more like .3-.5" for 10 shots. My other rifles, not so much.. Most times, I'd rather shoot Federal Automatch, especially through my 10/22's. The Kidd barreled 10/22 doesn't care what you feed it. The only real nice thing about CCI SV ammo, is you can always find it at Wally world. The same can be said for Federal Automatch though. I often wonder why CCI SV has such a huge following, because it only shoots good in one of my rifles. I don't blame you for shooting SK and Lapua ammo. That stuff is so much better and more consistent. Even the Eley target and club has been more consistent shooting in all of my rifles. Good video. Thanks for sharing!!
8 to 10 years ago CCI was my go to. But honestly in the last five or so years most of the lots I’ve shot might as well have been bulk. It’s just too inconsistent shots of shot. You can hear the difference in velocity.
I have a 457 and tried many ammo options. Longer range the CCI SV Target is a bit unpredictable. Above 50 yards. However, on short range competition shooting I have been impressed with them for the price point. At 30 yards Eley Tenex is not that much better and the price point is double. For competition use the expensive match ammo, but practice and short range, the CCI SV Target from my 457 has outperformed some of the Eley ammo consistently. Time behind the scope is also important for good shooting. CCI allows for a lot more time behind the scope due to the price point.
great video. I tried all that ammo and the first time I shot Lapua, the very first time I had 10 shots at 50 yards in a perfectly round hole half the size of a dime. I live on an island in southeast alaska and ammo is hard to get. When I seen what Lapua long range did I ordered a 5000 round case. I just visited a friend on Whidbey island who has a gun like yours I tried the lapua and it did a similar group but not as tight. You may want to try some, yes it's spendy but can you say lights out. keep up the good work
Lapua Long Range is my GOTO ammunition when I need my rifle to perform, SK long range has been consistent in most of my rifles also. As a matter of fact, SK and Lapua has been the most consistent ammunition available IMHO. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I really wish CCI would attempt a real match product. I realize the market in the US for rimfire match ammo might not be as large as other parts of the world (here in the Northeast, I struggle to find ANY rimfire benchrest matches or clubs). It just doesn't seem like they're willing to do the retooling required to improve consistency and in how the rounds sit in match-grade chambers. I'd imagine just changing up the lubricant would be easy enough though - might be worth a shot. CCI is my go-to for plinking, hunting, and any off-hand shooting. I hope they'll someday make a competitive option for us benchrest nerds.
I was going to do a Why is American made 22lr not very accurate video. Hell Federal Gold metal match used to be shot in the Olympics but that ammo has changed and is now crap. I agree CCI could make better more accurate rounds, and they should. I’d rather buy anything in America if I can and it performs.
@@RimfireSS, I think it's definitely worth a deep dive. I'm sure the reasons are economic. I'd find it hard to believe that American manufacturing skills and innovation are completely dead 😉
@@upStomp idk… our ammunition companies are getting bought up by foreigners. Pretty sure CCI just joined that club here recently. Maybe they will do something to improve it who knows.
Don, give another run through with the CCI offerings in your Kidd 10/22 and Lilja CZ. After trying Green Tag out myself it’s way over priced. I’ll skip the pistol match too. The CCI AR shoots ragged holes around .250 @50yrds with my old CZ 452 for some reason. The Federal gold metal match I have doesn’t do anything special either.
I just got done installing a cheek riser to the 597. I had an idea it would be different, but i didnt expect the comfort level i got. Lazy Boy comfort! Hopefully I dont fall asleep at the bench!😅 Great shooting sir!
Thanks another good video. My 2 457s produce the same results you have with yours. Oddly enough one of my 10/22s does really well with the CCI SV. I don't have any luck with the Norma Match ammo either.
I’ve had a few lots of Norma Match that were absolutely terrific, best I’ve ever shot. And I’ve also had some that I’ll only shoot out of my handguns there that bad. Luck if the draw I guess. And that sucks, the only brand I have had good results with on a consistent basis is SK and Lapua.
By odd coincidence I took out my CZ 457 Varmint MTR along with 100 rounds of CCI Green Tag this morning. I never get 1070 fps out of it -- the last few times I've averaged 1054 fps (60-ish spread, 10 SD). That said, for all the crap that Green Tag gets from people as gussied up CCI SV, my rifle absolutely loves it. That said, it doesn't shoot *that* much better than something like SK Standard Plus when price is factored into it.
@rimfireSS - I am using CCI-SV and TAC22 and I weigh them ALL out in 1 gram increments and my groups improved SIGNIFIGANTLY ! - this gets rid of all the inconsistent rounds IE - HIGH and LOW - Just a suggestion !!!!
I’ve done all that and haven’t noticed a difference that was worth the time invested. Funny how everyone has a different experience with weighing, and sorting.
@@RimfireSS - I weigh everything and for my rifle - GMM barrel - it made a HUGE difference in my groups especially with CCI SV and the TAC - what it did most for me was weed out the flyers, provides consistent groups, BUT that is for me personally. GREAT VIDEO and Thanks for all you DO !!!!! Keep up the GREAT WORK !!!!!
Very good video, results don’t surprise me, I have some Eley match and SK standard plus put back to test, but for the most part I shoot SK rifle match and CenterX
Awesome video!! Now I’m curious, 457 &cci green tag vs my airgun & slugs. Bet it would be a pretty close match up at 50 yards. But any further I’m guessing airgun would take over.
I bought a few boxes of Green Tag and was totally disappointed. It was no better than good old inexpensive MiniMags. At least in my gun. I pretty much just shoot Eley and I have very good results with some, not all, of it. You have to just keep trying until you find THE ONE. I have a 10/22 with a KSA barrel that shoots Eley Force like it was in the Olympics. Trying different ammo is half of the fun!
For hunting the CCI is perfect and that is what I use it for. For you doing precision shooting it will not be good. But, with a barrel tuner I saw some rifles doing damn good with CCI.
Yeah, I realize that. The point of the video was to show how most subsonic CCI shoots in my rifle. I’m definitely not hating on CCI. I’ve used this ammunition forever. And the quality used to be much better but all in all it really isn’t bad. Can I shoot .2s with it? No, but it constantly shot half inch groups which to your point is hunting accuracy. I had a guy asking me why I don’t ever shoot CCI and this video was to show him why as a precision shooter I don’t use it in my videos.
The newer ammo seems to be less consistent that before the plandemic but even then CCI SV would go form a beautiful group to a massive flyer that could really ruin your day. Have you noticed CCI’s insanity on the bulk Blazer pricing? It is 3-7 cents a round MORE than the boxed Blazer. At 13-17 cents a round much better ammo is available.
When I tested the CCI Blazer a couple videos ago I tried the 40 grain off camera and it actually shot worse than the 38 grain. But with .22 it’s not very consistent lot to lot on the inexpensive ammunition. Just the nature of the beast unfortunately.
Its funny how the same gun models can have different results. I have an MTR with the same base; different rings and scope though. Mine doesn't like Green tag either. It still gets in the .6 range, so not bad, just not what I would expect for a $30 box of 100. I can get better results with CCI SV. SV usually shoots around .3 and that is close to the same that I get with Eley brands and Lapua 10X. 10X has given me the best results of all the different ammo's I've tested. I have never tested the CCI Pistol Match or the subsonic, so I couldn't tell you what I would get with those.
The ammunition these days is pretty inconsistent. Not just the CCI either.RWS special match has been a super good shooting ammunition for me but that last 2 lots I bought were not great. It’s the luck of the draw I guess.
I just hand an odd happening with my 10/22 with a custom barreled benz chambered .920 low cost bull barrel From shaw Customs. Everything I read said do not shoot Stingers in it buy when testing, I thought, what the hell. Try them and see just how bad they are. Well. one thing listed was true. It will not extract an unfired round and it put rifling marks on the driving band. Not deep, barely there. I learned long ago that touching the lands in bench rest center fire contributes to more accurate shooting. I figured why this would not be the same in rimfire? How did they shoot? Unreal. 50 Yard's was mostly under .3 inch with last group going .127". I use this gun for varminting on the property and being able t use the stopping power of the stingers in the gun is a Win-Win!!! KnifeMaker/Retired after over 47+ years in the Craft.
My CZ 457 Varmint doesn't like CCI Standard Velocity either. My Ruger 10/22 Takedown shoots the CCI Standard Velocity much better than the CZ does. But the CZ does very well with SK Semi Auto and SK Standard Plus.
WIth my Tikka T1X CCI Standard Velocity always gives me 1 or 2 fliers per 5-round group. Without the fliers the groups would be sub-MOA. I have actually gotten 1 MOA or smaller groups from a 325 round box of Federal Auto Match. I got more 1 MOA groups with that ammo than > 1 MOA groups. It was good enough to make practice interesting. I don't recall geting any sub-MOA groups at 100 yards with CCI SV. I am the process of testing SK, Wolf, and Eley ammo.
@@RimfireSS I agree some are good but I already learned that some of the less expensive SKU's like Eley Target and SK Semi-Auto Rifle are not even worth the small premium since my Tikka T1X does not like them.
@@RimfireSS I already like some but my T1X does not like SK Semi-Auto Rifle or Eley Target. I have finally found additional SKU's of both so need to make time to test them. The few groups of SK Std Plus and Eley Force looked good.
@@RimfireSS I searched for Eley SABR and at DuckDuckGo and you videos show up for top videos. I watched one from a year ago. I already have one or two boxes of Eley SABR that I want to test along with some other Eley and other recommended ammo. I basically ordered all recommended ammo that I could find in stock at a few online sellers below 40 CPR--not sure what I set my limit at. I am have had the ammo for months but have not had the time to test yet and when I thought about going out the wind has been too strong--I live in the same state. I also was busy with new 6.5 CM rifle now that my club's longer rifle range has been extended 500 yards.
Thank you for your Great videos ! Your spot on with the CCI SV not sure why but I've shot better groups with the 50 round boxes then the 100 round plastic boxes using different lot numbers. Quick question for you, What brand is the rear shooting bag your using in this video and is it your ' Go To ' bag for the MTR ?
Oddly enough on one of my past 10/22 builds. Remington Golden Bullets shot better groups than anything else I could find back then. I am now working up a Talo edition light varmint and waiting on my Q El Camino to come in so it can go into suppressor jail. Hoping this works out to be a good combo. I almost put an order in for the MTR but nobody could say when one was available and now I cannot afford to get one. I want a good bolt gun under $500 if you have suggestions.
Awesome. Thanks for your dedication. A rather remotely related question s.v.p., just because I trust your expertise so much: do you by chance own and/or have some experience with the Browning Buck Mark Field Target (.22LR pistol)? If so, which ammunition works best for that one?
@@RimfireSS though my answer is just as limited as my knowledge of what the Dutch shops offer, what I usually come across are: CCI, Aguila, RWS, SK, Norma, Lapua, Eley, Magtech and Sellier & Bellot. Enough to choose from though, but for those of us starting out, getting some advice/pointers is never a bad idea.
Wish other ammo that is around that same price point, and higher quality than CCI standard velocity had the same availability. Eley Contact is basically the same price and is much better, at least out of our Tikka T1x's.
All depends on the lot of ammunition and the rifle is being shot out of. After reading all the comments some people have good results and some people not so much. Lol
Very good and informative video. I find your results for CCI ammunition typical of what CCI is producing today. I have what is left of a case of 30+ year old CCI Mini-Mag and out of My Remington 541-S and two Brno's, a 456 LUX and a Model 1 the groups will stay inside of a 1/2" most of the time. Many times I can shoot groups into the high 2's and the 3's. (The ground squirrels don't like me.) I had some bulk CCI standard velocity that would stay inside of a 3/4" red sticker. That was about 35 years ago. What did CCI do? Thanks JD
Yeah, everything was way better 35 years ago. I’m sure they got cheap looking at the bottom line and are not taking care of the machines like they should or used too. Who knows. But there definitely is a difference. I noticed it mainly change when they started making the AR Tactical line. So, whenever that was.
Agreed. 30 beans for 50 rounds is too much money for that type of consistency. At that price you shouldnt see vertical stringing. At that price even if a a group is 1/2'' or slightly more the group should be round and not show fliers as that the entire reason for match ammo
I feel your pain !,in my cz pro varmint and my cz royal it sucks ! But in my cz jaguar cci shoots lights out ! I'm wondering if it's because of its longer barrel length ???
I had never heard that the 50 round boxes of CCI Standard Velocity shoots better than the 100 round boxes, and I cannot imagine why they would. I don't think I have ever shot any from the 100 round boxes. I have shot lots of them from the 50 round boxes, and I have found them to vary considerably from lot to lot. I've had some lots that shot pretty well, and some that shot poorly in my rifles. The CCI Pistol Match performed pretty well in my CZ 457 American. Not great. But good. The CCI Green Tag has not performed well in any of my rifles. I've tried different lots, and I think I've only shot two groups that went under half an inch at 50 yards.
Makes me snigger when I hear guys at the gun shop saying how well their rifles shoot CCI std. I guess it depends on expectations. Where is your accent from ? Canada, MN, WI?
The "green tag" consistancy was much better when it was ~$17/100 15yrs back. Got some when it was ~$21/100 that was a whole different beast- bad enough to not want ta git more of it !! Consistancy of quality in all types of products has dropped so much since covid, it's hard ta justify purchases !!
It’s not your rifle, it’s all that inconsistent for me as well. However some of my match pistol’s love the quiet semi auto & pistol match. I found ELEY contact, Benchrest outlaw & competition pistol are best at the best prices & most importantly availability. SK Standard when I can find it available affordable is great also. RWS R50 groups best in those that are of significant quality of mine. Lapua Pistol king & Midis + are right there also.
Like I said in the video, different rifles shoot different ammunition better than others. Also, that last lot of Standard I shot had potential, it was grouping pretty good but each one had a flier that killed the group average.
I’ve tried several different brands of ammo (haven’t had any Tenex or Lapua) (CCI standard , Wolf match , Norma Tac-22 black box, Fiocchi ) and they are all generally tighter than you were getting. So that rifle don’t like it 🤷♂️😂 my Ruger Precision isn’t finicky like that I guess. I have about 3500 rounds thru it so far
@@RimfireSS I too had one or two fliers per group with CCI Standard Velocity out of my Tikka T1X. I actually had one lot of Federal Auto Champion that I bought in January of 2022 from Walmart that gave me consistent sub-MOA groups in my Tikka T1X. Unfortunately they only had three-50 round boxes and none of the new lots I bought in 2023 were worth shooting in my T1X. I did not expect they would and assumed that somehow Federal had a really good lot they put in Champion boxes rather than in their Gold Medal ammo boxes.
Nope, I’ve tried it and so have many others, there’s too much inconsistency in the weight of the other components to be able to tell if your powder charge is different.
Nope, even with the best scales you can buy. There's lots of data out there that proves it. The brass it's self isn't perfect so are you seeing a weight difference in powder, primer, brass? But I had fun trying lol
CCI primers are reliable. For cheap bulk I use mostly Federal Auto Match but I have 0 to 3 failures to fire per box of 325 rounds. The other issue is I may get an occasional stove pipe or other feed issue with Federal Auto Match such as one or two every 50 rounds so cannot use for a pistol match. CCI SV should reliably cycle most semi-auto pistols but some may need higher rated muzzle velocity. CCI Mini Mag has more velocity and is reliable but the groups at 50 yards were so bad I did not bother trying at 100 yards. CCI Minit Mag grouped more like cheap bulk ammo. Federal Auto Match could give me more 1 MOA groups than not while CCI Mini Mag was more like 3 or 4 inche groups at 50 yards.
CCi is only going to get worse. Nobody here wants to work, and the ones who do work, save a few dedicated people, are just slouchy doing the 10hr days to get the check. Sloppy and don't care. CCi thinks their 💩 don't stink while all day eating onions on tuna 😮 Their prices are insane for a product not up to par. It gets a smidge better if you sort it, but still have the off the wall fliers 😢 I really hope CZ improves the company and tightens down on the sloppy production quality! 🙏 P.S. Sent you some emails, did you receive them? Thanks for sharing!
@@raykettel1837Federal Auto is the best bulk ammo and the cheapest I have ever found. It's owned by CCi also but is manufactured in another plant in Minnesota. I use it in my S&W 10-22 it runs flawlessly. I just got ahold of some SK stuff and am super pleased with it in my target rifle 😊
CCI, the Crackerjack of 22 "Matchish" ammo. There's surprises in every box.
🤣 there sure is. It’s not a bad handgun option though.
Hello Mr. Rimfire. Great channel, great content. I just wanted to mention, we shoot 30 matches a year. Ten shots at 100 yds. and 10 shots at 150 yds. When we tested the cci Standard Velocity, the flyers at 50 yds. turned into shots at 150 yds that were out of the scoring circle. 0 points. One zero at 150 yds. and you pack up and go home. But to give them credit, we also shoot 30 to 40 red dot pistol, steel challenge matches per year and the cci"s work out just fine. 7 yds to 25 yds, they shoot very well. We shoot so much, we try to keep the cost down. Thank you for your channel.
I hear ya on the cost. I have some Norma Match that doesn’t shoot in the rifles but does very well in the handguns. Other than that the CCI Blazers work well in the Handguns also.
I’m just a recreational target shooter and have not shot any ammo more expensive than Eley Force, so my experience is limited. Both out of a modified 10/22 and a stock Ruger RPR CCI SV has shot really well. .35-.5 out of the 10/22 & .24 - .4 out of the RPR with ok consistency for $5 a box ammo. It’s all been from the same lot. So far CCI has been worth shooting, it’s cheap & consistent enough that I don’t feel like I’m wasting my time using it. Love your channel!
Thanks and I’ve had some lots of Standard Velocity that have done well, it’s just not consistent lot to lot in most of my rifles. It’s decent practice ammunition though.
Excellent review. Camera work very nice . Thanks..
Thank you
Great Video! My results with CCI have been simlar, as such I've don't consider any CCI ammo to be "match" ammo. That said, I shoot CCI Standard Velocity all the time as a step above "bulk" ammo, and I do most of my pistol shooting with it, as well as "offhand" rifle shooting. I have not noticed the amount of "audible" inconsistency you did in the video, but my most accurate guns hover around .5"-.6" with Standard Velocity at 50 yards, the same guns that will do .2s and .3s with Midas +. Every box of Green Tag and Pistol Match I have ever bought didn't shoot much better than plain old standard velocity.
My MTR shoots cci sv bout the same as yours... if i want to have tighter groups with cci sv i break out the Mark II FVSR! that thing LOVES cci sv! doesn't care for much else though. great vid and thx for saving me money on the other cci variants ;) cheers
CCI standard velocity was great up until they changed from dark blue to light blue box.
Late to this party but I bought a box of CCI Standard Velocity for the first time to take my daughter to the range (her first time with my CZ457). She hit a 4" gong at 100yds 22 times in a row.. For plinking I was impressed, especially considering it's price. It was as good as rws in my rifle
Very good vid. I agree with you that the CCI is not the 'bee's knees' I assume your groups were at 50yds. I too have a CZ mtr and it shoots well with SK LR but I still have the errant 'wtf' I have been using Lapua Long Range and it is 'slightly' better at the longer ranges. We shoot out to 250yds and sub moa. I have managed almost moa at 250 but it is ALWAYS dependent on the wind. I shoot a CZ mtr with a Harrel tuner, Bravo stock, Jard trigger, Vortex gen iii RZR, and the ammo has been sorted by weight and rim thickness. The biggest improvement I have found is using the 'Kroil and JB bore brite" to polish the barrel. Also between relays at matches I will 'plug the chamber and 'tape' the muzzle. My cold bore shots are not as 'wild'. Thanks again for your vids.
No problem, thanks for watching
My family think I am crazy as I weigh my PCP and rimfire ammo. I didn’t load it myself and inconsistency does make a difference in competition. Even top quality ammo is not 100% consistent. If you are going to shoot a competition with 3 or 5 round groups, use the ammo that is the same length, weighs the same and has the same neck width. It helps to get ammo that is likely to perform the same in the same group. With rimfire I use slightly wider tolerances, but with PCP the slugs/pellets are sorted in ranges of within 5/1000 of a gram of each other. When I shoot I will use only what comes from one weighed packet. In that way I know that I am likely to get the same/similar results. It may seem stupid, but half a gram makes a difference at distance. The same with rimfire. If they weigh the same, same length, same neck size, it means it is likely to have the same amount of propellent and bullet weight. Not a science, as I didn’t load them myself. But better than taking them out the box and hoping for the best in a competition.
Good stuff! Kind of mirrors what I’ve seen. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I enjoy your method, and I think its incredibly detailed, "subscribed"
Thank you
CCI standard velocity is always hit and miss in my rifles. The one rifle that loved it, I recently traded for a CZ 457 American. That was a Savage MKII FVT target rifle. It would shoot the SV into tight clusters. Even with it's factory iron sights. It was not uncommon to shoot 10 into the x ring, with a measurement of .5-.7". With a scope, it was more like .3-.5" for 10 shots. My other rifles, not so much.. Most times, I'd rather shoot Federal Automatch, especially through my 10/22's. The Kidd barreled 10/22 doesn't care what you feed it. The only real nice thing about CCI SV ammo, is you can always find it at Wally world. The same can be said for Federal Automatch though. I often wonder why CCI SV has such a huge following, because it only shoots good in one of my rifles. I don't blame you for shooting SK and Lapua ammo. That stuff is so much better and more consistent. Even the Eley target and club has been more consistent shooting in all of my rifles. Good video. Thanks for sharing!!
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CCI standard shoots very well out of my old Glenfield Model 20. Consistently have .3 averages at 50 yards
Thank you for the test video. I shoot a lot of the SV ammo. It does well in my firearms. I also like the SK standard plus. 👍👍
8 to 10 years ago CCI was my go to. But honestly in the last five or so years most of the lots I’ve shot might as well have been bulk. It’s just too inconsistent shots of shot. You can hear the difference in velocity.
I agree totally. Whenever they started making the AR Tactical I noticed a difference in the consistency.
Couldn't agree more
I agree I noticed the same
I have a 457 and tried many ammo options. Longer range the CCI SV Target is a bit unpredictable. Above 50 yards. However, on short range competition shooting I have been impressed with them for the price point. At 30 yards Eley Tenex is not that much better and the price point is double. For competition use the expensive match ammo, but practice and short range, the CCI SV Target from my 457 has outperformed some of the Eley ammo consistently. Time behind the scope is also important for good shooting. CCI allows for a lot more time behind the scope due to the price point.
great video. I tried all that ammo and the first time I shot Lapua, the very first time I had 10 shots at 50 yards in a perfectly round hole half the size of a dime. I live on an island in southeast alaska and ammo is hard to get. When I seen what Lapua long range did I ordered a 5000 round case. I just visited a friend on Whidbey island who has a gun like yours I tried the lapua and it did a similar group but not as tight. You may want to try some, yes it's spendy but can you say lights out. keep up the good work
Lapua Long Range is my GOTO ammunition when I need my rifle to perform, SK long range has been consistent in most of my rifles also. As a matter of fact, SK and Lapua has been the most consistent ammunition available IMHO. Thanks for watching and commenting!
DIP stuff is awesome! I have several of their products on a few rifles.
It is good stuff, sure beats the stock crap that breaks.
I really wish CCI would attempt a real match product. I realize the market in the US for rimfire match ammo might not be as large as other parts of the world (here in the Northeast, I struggle to find ANY rimfire benchrest matches or clubs). It just doesn't seem like they're willing to do the retooling required to improve consistency and in how the rounds sit in match-grade chambers. I'd imagine just changing up the lubricant would be easy enough though - might be worth a shot.
CCI is my go-to for plinking, hunting, and any off-hand shooting. I hope they'll someday make a competitive option for us benchrest nerds.
I was going to do a Why is American made 22lr not very accurate video. Hell Federal Gold metal match used to be shot in the Olympics but that ammo has changed and is now crap. I agree CCI could make better more accurate rounds, and they should. I’d rather buy anything in America if I can and it performs.
@@RimfireSS, I think it's definitely worth a deep dive. I'm sure the reasons are economic. I'd find it hard to believe that American manufacturing skills and innovation are completely dead 😉
@@upStomp idk… our ammunition companies are getting bought up by foreigners. Pretty sure CCI just joined that club here recently. Maybe they will do something to improve it who knows.
@RimfireSS yes, CZ bought them for 1.91 billion 😮. I hope they do something with it also, as CCi has been on the downhill for quite awhile 😢
@@nunya1328 they really have.
Great video as always. I also had the same results with my MTR.
That seems to be the consensus.
Don, give another run through with the CCI offerings in your Kidd 10/22 and Lilja CZ. After trying Green Tag out myself it’s way over priced. I’ll skip the pistol match too. The CCI AR shoots ragged holes around .250 @50yrds with my old CZ 452 for some reason. The Federal gold metal match I have doesn’t do anything special either.
I just got done installing a cheek riser to the 597. I had an idea it would be different, but i didnt expect the comfort level i got. Lazy Boy comfort! Hopefully I dont fall asleep at the bench!😅 Great shooting sir!
lol, if you’re falling asleep shooting your not doing it right! 😂
@@RimfireSS 😮😅
Sk long range is certainly the best bang for the buck when you can find it.
Weight sorted some cci sub hp made no difference for me 😅
Great video 👍
Thanks another good video. My 2 457s produce the same results you have with yours. Oddly enough one of my 10/22s does really well with the CCI SV. I don't have any luck with the Norma Match ammo either.
I’ve had a few lots of Norma Match that were absolutely terrific, best I’ve ever shot. And I’ve also had some that I’ll only shoot out of my handguns there that bad. Luck if the draw I guess. And that sucks, the only brand I have had good results with on a consistent basis is SK and Lapua.
My cz457 varmint 20” likes the federal 40gr champion stuff, cci sv, Norma tac black box, and a few higher end ones
By odd coincidence I took out my CZ 457 Varmint MTR along with 100 rounds of CCI Green Tag this morning. I never get 1070 fps out of it -- the last few times I've averaged 1054 fps (60-ish spread, 10 SD). That said, for all the crap that Green Tag gets from people as gussied up CCI SV, my rifle absolutely loves it.
That said, it doesn't shoot *that* much better than something like SK Standard Plus when price is factored into it.
After reading all the comments I think you are the only one that said the Green Tag shot for you. Lol, you never know.
Try this with your Kidd 10-22aswell. Mine likes SV and also CCI Ar tactical
@rimfireSS - I am using CCI-SV and TAC22 and I weigh them ALL out in 1 gram increments and my groups improved SIGNIFIGANTLY ! - this gets rid of all the inconsistent rounds IE - HIGH and LOW - Just a suggestion !!!!
I’ve done all that and haven’t noticed a difference that was worth the time invested. Funny how everyone has a different experience with weighing, and sorting.
@@RimfireSS - I weigh everything and for my rifle - GMM barrel - it made a HUGE difference in my groups especially with CCI SV and the TAC - what it did most for me was weed out the flyers, provides consistent groups, BUT that is for me personally. GREAT VIDEO and Thanks for all you DO !!!!! Keep up the GREAT WORK !!!!!
Very good video, results don’t surprise me, I have some Eley match and SK standard plus put back to test, but for the most part I shoot SK rifle match and CenterX
Hard to beat the SK and Lapua.
Awesome video!! Now I’m curious, 457 &cci green tag vs my airgun & slugs. Bet it would be a pretty close match up at 50 yards. But any further I’m guessing airgun would take over.
I bought a few boxes of Green Tag and was totally disappointed. It was no better than good old inexpensive MiniMags. At least in my gun. I pretty much just shoot Eley and I have very good results with some, not all, of it. You have to just keep trying until you find THE ONE. I have a 10/22 with a KSA barrel that shoots Eley Force like it was in the Olympics. Trying different ammo is half of the fun!
It sure is, theses results are pretty typical through most of my rifles. But I do have a 10/22 that shoots the SV pretty good.
For hunting the CCI is perfect and that is what I use it for. For you doing precision shooting it will not be good. But, with a barrel tuner I saw some rifles doing damn good with CCI.
Yeah, I realize that. The point of the video was to show how most subsonic CCI shoots in my rifle. I’m definitely not hating on CCI. I’ve used this ammunition forever. And the quality used to be much better but all in all it really isn’t bad. Can I shoot .2s with it? No, but it constantly shot half inch groups which to your point is hunting accuracy. I had a guy asking me why I don’t ever shoot CCI and this video was to show him why as a precision shooter I don’t use it in my videos.
@@RimfireSS I once shot a .23 with CCI sv but never again.
@@L.V-Rider yeah me too, but only once! Lol
The newer ammo seems to be less consistent that before the plandemic but even then CCI SV would go form a beautiful group to a massive flyer that could really ruin your day.
Have you noticed CCI’s insanity on the bulk Blazer pricing? It is 3-7 cents a round MORE than the boxed Blazer. At 13-17 cents a round much better ammo is available.
In my country is one of the few descent 22LR that we can get, great review next time try 22LR Blazer 40grains for some guy's in our group works great.
When I tested the CCI Blazer a couple videos ago I tried the 40 grain off camera and it actually shot worse than the 38 grain. But with .22 it’s not very consistent lot to lot on the inexpensive ammunition. Just the nature of the beast unfortunately.
Green tag has always let me down.
Same.
Its funny how the same gun models can have different results. I have an MTR with the same base; different rings and scope though. Mine doesn't like Green tag either. It still gets in the .6 range, so not bad, just not what I would expect for a $30 box of 100. I can get better results with CCI SV. SV usually shoots around .3 and that is close to the same that I get with Eley brands and Lapua 10X. 10X has given me the best results of all the different ammo's I've tested. I have never tested the CCI Pistol Match or the subsonic, so I couldn't tell you what I would get with those.
The ammunition these days is pretty inconsistent. Not just the CCI either.RWS special match has been a super good shooting ammunition for me but that last 2 lots I bought were not great. It’s the luck of the draw I guess.
My CZ457 hates CCI standard and shoots it all over the place. Now my Bergara B14R shoots CCI Standard very well.
My B14R is the least ammo fussy rifle I have. Shoots everything well!
Yes mine also@@RimfireSS
I bought a case of the CCI standard in 50 Rd boxes. My Bergara b14 likes it Luckily.
That’s great, and very lucky. Not sure if I’ve tried the SV in my Bergara. I’ll give it a shot.
CCI makes plinking ammo. Period. You can get SK LRM for about the same price as Green tag and there's really no comparison between the two.
Absolutely Correct!! Lol, no comparison. No reason they should be charging the amount they do on that Green Tag.
I just hand an odd happening with my 10/22 with a custom barreled benz chambered .920 low cost bull barrel From shaw Customs.
Everything I read said do not shoot Stingers in it buy when testing, I thought, what the hell. Try them and see just how bad they are.
Well. one thing listed was true. It will not extract an unfired round and it put rifling marks on the driving band. Not deep, barely there. I learned long ago that touching the lands in bench rest center fire contributes to more accurate shooting. I figured why this would not be the same in rimfire?
How did they shoot? Unreal. 50 Yard's was mostly under .3 inch with last group going .127".
I use this gun for varminting on the property and being able t use the stopping power of the stingers in the gun is a Win-Win!!!
KnifeMaker/Retired after over 47+ years in the Craft.
Interesting. I’ll give them a try.
Green tag patterns like a shotgun from my cz’s. But the cci sv always shoots under1/2” groups at 50y
I'd be curious to see you test out some Aguila ammo. Maybe 10 years ago I was shooting sunflower stalks at 70 yards or so with my Savage MKII
I’ve shot some Aguila Standard velocity on my budget ammo video I did about 6 months ago. I think it did ok.
My CZ 457 Varmint doesn't like CCI Standard Velocity either. My Ruger 10/22 Takedown shoots the CCI Standard Velocity much better than the CZ does. But the CZ does very well with SK Semi Auto and SK Standard Plus.
WIth my Tikka T1X CCI Standard Velocity always gives me 1 or 2 fliers per 5-round group. Without the fliers the groups would be sub-MOA. I have actually gotten 1 MOA or smaller groups from a 325 round box of Federal Auto Match. I got more 1 MOA groups with that ammo than > 1 MOA groups. It was good enough to make practice interesting. I don't recall geting any sub-MOA groups at 100 yards with CCI SV. I am the process of testing SK, Wolf, and Eley ammo.
You will like the SK and Eley.
@@RimfireSS I agree some are good but I already learned that some of the less expensive SKU's like Eley Target and SK Semi-Auto Rifle are not even worth the small premium since my Tikka T1X does not like them.
@@RimfireSS I already like some but my T1X does not like SK Semi-Auto Rifle or Eley Target. I have finally found additional SKU's of both so need to make time to test them. The few groups of SK Std Plus and Eley Force looked good.
@@raykettel1837 the Eley SABR outlaw is decent also.
@@RimfireSS I searched for Eley SABR and at DuckDuckGo and you videos show up for top videos. I watched one from a year ago. I already have one or two boxes of Eley SABR that I want to test along with some other Eley and other recommended ammo. I basically ordered all recommended ammo that I could find in stock at a few online sellers below 40 CPR--not sure what I set my limit at. I am have had the ammo for months but have not had the time to test yet and when I thought about going out the wind has been too strong--I live in the same state. I also was busy with new 6.5 CM rifle now that my club's longer rifle range has been extended 500 yards.
Thank you for your Great videos ! Your spot on with the CCI SV not sure why but I've shot better groups with the 50 round boxes then the 100 round plastic boxes using different lot numbers. Quick question for you, What brand is the rear shooting bag your using in this video and is it your ' Go To ' bag for the MTR ?
I use this bag, and the full size game changer. Here is a link.
armageddongear.com/product/game-changer/
Oddly enough on one of my past 10/22 builds. Remington Golden Bullets shot better groups than anything else I could find back then. I am now working up a Talo edition light varmint and waiting on my Q El Camino to come in so it can go into suppressor jail. Hoping this works out to be a good combo. I almost put an order in for the MTR but nobody could say when one was available and now I cannot afford to get one. I want a good bolt gun under $500 if you have suggestions.
The regular CZ457 Varmint is a good option, not the match chamber but they still drive tacks.
Awesome. Thanks for your dedication.
A rather remotely related question s.v.p., just because I trust your expertise so much: do you by chance own and/or have some experience with the Browning Buck Mark Field Target (.22LR pistol)? If so, which ammunition works best for that one?
I used to have one, long time ago. I always shot Federal Auto Match in that handgun.
@@RimfireSS Alright, thank you there. Unfortunately, that brand is very scarce in the Netherlands. I'll look further then... I may give Aguila a try.
@@nicepojos8766 what brands are available there? I had no clue you were in the Netherlands.
@@RimfireSS though my answer is just as limited as my knowledge of what the Dutch shops offer, what I usually come across are: CCI, Aguila, RWS, SK, Norma, Lapua, Eley, Magtech and Sellier & Bellot. Enough to choose from though, but for those of us starting out, getting some advice/pointers is never a bad idea.
@@nicepojos8766 out of all the ones listed SK, Lapua and Eley are probably your best bet.
Wish other ammo that is around that same price point, and higher quality than CCI standard velocity had the same availability. Eley Contact is basically the same price and is much better, at least out of our Tikka T1x's.
Absolutely correct
To add to last comment. The cci sv outshoots eley match in my 457’s
All depends on the lot of ammunition and the rifle is being shot out of. After reading all the comments some people have good results and some people not so much. Lol
Bought a box of 100 CCI Green Tag...tried it in my CZ, Tikka & Vudoo...awful...starting to feel the same for Federal Gold Medal Match
Yeah that Federal is not the Federal of years past. It has changed and no longer is any good.
Very good and informative video. I find your results for CCI ammunition typical of what CCI is producing today. I have what is left of a case of 30+ year old CCI Mini-Mag and out of My Remington 541-S and two Brno's, a 456 LUX and a Model 1 the groups will stay inside of a 1/2" most of the time. Many times I can shoot groups into the high 2's and the 3's. (The ground squirrels don't like me.) I had some bulk CCI standard velocity that would stay inside of a 3/4" red sticker. That was about 35 years ago. What did CCI do? Thanks JD
Yeah, everything was way better 35 years ago. I’m sure they got cheap looking at the bottom line and are not taking care of the machines like they should or used too. Who knows. But there definitely is a difference. I noticed it mainly change when they started making the AR Tactical line. So, whenever that was.
Agreed. 30 beans for 50 rounds is too much money for that type of consistency. At that price you shouldnt see vertical stringing. At that price even if a a group is 1/2'' or slightly more the group should be round and not show fliers as that the entire reason for match ammo
It’s actually 30 for 100 rounds but that’s still too much.
@@RimfireSS I see. Yeah, still too expensive considering the fliers
For the price it’s still great practice ammo.
Absolutely
I feel your pain !,in my cz pro varmint and my cz royal it sucks ! But in my cz jaguar cci shoots lights out ! I'm wondering if it's because of its longer barrel length ???
It could be. I’ve heard the longer barrels stabilize ammunition better.
This is why I only shoot SK ammo. You can't even use CCI for training. For some reason quality control has gone downhill.
SK isn’t any better.
I had never heard that the 50 round boxes of CCI Standard Velocity shoots better than the 100 round boxes, and I cannot imagine why they would. I don't think I have ever shot any from the 100 round boxes. I have shot lots of them from the 50 round boxes, and I have found them to vary considerably from lot to lot. I've had some lots that shot pretty well, and some that shot poorly in my rifles. The CCI Pistol Match performed pretty well in my CZ 457 American. Not great. But good. The CCI Green Tag has not performed well in any of my rifles. I've tried different lots, and I think I've only shot two groups that went under half an inch at 50 yards.
Yeah, I’m not very impressed with that Green Tag.
Makes me snigger when I hear guys at the gun shop saying how well their rifles shoot CCI std. I guess it depends on expectations. Where is your accent from ? Canada, MN, WI?
That’s the first time anyone has said I have a accent, your close though. I’m in Michigan.
Every thing looks great all very good then you use that trash in it?
Cci has never performed well in my 457 mtr.
The "green tag" consistancy was much better when it was ~$17/100 15yrs back. Got some when it was ~$21/100 that was a whole different beast- bad enough to not want ta git more of it !! Consistancy of quality in all types of products has dropped so much since covid, it's hard ta justify purchases !!
It’s not your rifle, it’s all that inconsistent for me as well. However some of my match pistol’s love the quiet semi auto & pistol match. I found ELEY contact, Benchrest outlaw & competition pistol are best at the best prices & most importantly availability. SK Standard when I can find it available affordable is great also. RWS R50 groups best in those that are of significant quality of mine. Lapua Pistol king & Midis + are right there also.
This man knows his ammo.
I’ve had no luck with cci, eley is better, sk is even better and the further you go out it gets betterer 😂
CCI standard is great for trigger time, not so much for real competition............................
I hear often of good things about cci sv but It shoots horrible in all of my rifles.
Same here
I’m not sure why BUT I shoot CCI standard out of my ruger precision and have way more consistency and tighter groups than you 🤷♂️
Like I said in the video, different rifles shoot different ammunition better than others. Also, that last lot of Standard I shot had potential, it was grouping pretty good but each one had a flier that killed the group average.
I’ve tried several different brands of ammo (haven’t had any Tenex or Lapua) (CCI standard , Wolf match , Norma Tac-22 black box, Fiocchi ) and they are all generally tighter than you were getting. So that rifle don’t like it 🤷♂️😂 my Ruger Precision isn’t finicky like that I guess. I have about 3500 rounds thru it so far
@@keithbacker5112 this rifle is a Bougie little bitch, likes the expensive stuff. But it absolutely hammers it.
@@RimfireSS I too had one or two fliers per group with CCI Standard Velocity out of my Tikka T1X. I actually had one lot of Federal Auto Champion that I bought in January of 2022 from Walmart that gave me consistent sub-MOA groups in my Tikka T1X. Unfortunately they only had three-50 round boxes and none of the new lots I bought in 2023 were worth shooting in my T1X. I did not expect they would and assumed that somehow Federal had a really good lot they put in Champion boxes rather than in their Gold Medal ammo boxes.
I wonder if you could find the hot ones by weighing each round?
Nope, I’ve tried it and so have many others, there’s too much inconsistency in the weight of the other components to be able to tell if your powder charge is different.
@@RimfireSS Yeah my thought also .
Nope, even with the best scales you can buy.
There's lots of data out there that proves it.
The brass it's self isn't perfect so are you seeing a weight difference in powder, primer, brass?
But I had fun trying lol
Accuracy aside, if I’m looking for 22lr pistol ammo that never has a failure to fire. Does such a brand exists? Cost is no object
Actually CCI has a very good record of going boom. Probably one of the best. Any of there offerings.
CCI primers are reliable. For cheap bulk I use mostly Federal Auto Match but I have 0 to 3 failures to fire per box of 325 rounds. The other issue is I may get an occasional stove pipe or other feed issue with Federal Auto Match such as one or two every 50 rounds so cannot use for a pistol match. CCI SV should reliably cycle most semi-auto pistols but some may need higher rated muzzle velocity. CCI Mini Mag has more velocity and is reliable but the groups at 50 yards were so bad I did not bother trying at 100 yards. CCI Minit Mag grouped more like cheap bulk ammo. Federal Auto Match could give me more 1 MOA groups than not while CCI Mini Mag was more like 3 or 4 inche groups at 50 yards.
@@RimfireSS I still get the occasional FTF with CCI. How about SK, Lapua, or ELEY match type ammo?
@@donh1572 maybe try Punch or Uppercut?
@@donh1572 I rarely get light strikes with SK, I’ve had some with Eley. Honestly for the price SK Semi Auto works great. Accurate too.
What distance are these groups at?
50 yards. It's written on the target at the end.
50 yards, forgot to mention that.
CCi is only going to get worse. Nobody here wants to work, and the ones who do work, save a few dedicated people, are just slouchy doing the 10hr days to get the check. Sloppy and don't care. CCi thinks their 💩 don't stink while all day eating onions on tuna 😮 Their prices are insane for a product not up to par. It gets a smidge better if you sort it, but still have the off the wall fliers 😢
I really hope CZ improves the company and tightens down on the sloppy production quality! 🙏
P.S. Sent you some emails, did you receive them?
Thanks for sharing!
I get better groups with Federal Auto Match in my Tikka T1X than I do CCI SV. For cheaper ammo the lowest I may be able to go is SK Standard Plus.
@@raykettel1837Federal Auto is the best bulk ammo and the cheapest I have ever found. It's owned by CCi also but is manufactured in another plant in Minnesota. I use it in my S&W 10-22 it runs flawlessly.
I just got ahold of some SK stuff and am super pleased with it in my target rifle 😊
If I didn’t respond then I didn’t get them. I respond to all my emails. Sometimes only on Sundays though. Shop has been super busy.
Same results here. Not great, too many flyers
Not just me finds CCI green tag to be rubbish. SK standard plus shoots much better.