CCI Green Tag 22lr Ammo
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- Paul tests if CCI Green Tag ammo performs differently from normal 22lr and CCI Mini Mag ammo.
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At 4:50 I said that the reading of 1016 was probably erroneous. I'm wearing earplugs and I couldn't hear the obvious lack of power. That round was almost certainly defective. It has been suggested that some other type of ammo got mixed up with the mini mags. In this case the types of ammo I was using look very different and it would have been obvious when I was loading the mag so no, that didn't happen. So that shot was taken out of the computation for mean velocity, but it might tell us something about quality control.
@OWEN FLORENCE Most of the sound is the propellant in the cartridge combusting to launch the projectile. The underpowered round had less powder going off.
In my experience shooting Mini Mags, I get one weak round out of every 60 to 70 rounds. So when you mentioned Mini Mags, the first thing that came to mind was "Is he going to get one?"
Having worked at CCI, there is no production difference between Green Tag and Standard Velocity 22lr. The difference is determined by quality control statistics. Samples are taken continuously of all production ammo. The samples are fired under QA department controls. If specifications drift away from quality standards production stops until adjustments are made. Some production lots show exceptional accuracy and those could be designated Green Tag. So it’s the same round, but a statistically superior batch.
Oh, I said above that a superior lot of 22lr “could be” labelled Green Tag. Only if the Sales department has orders for Green Tag. If they don’t, that straight A ammo will be labelled Standard Velocity just like the rest.
@@jvmccracken simple economics.
My experience exactly!! I've even taken CCI SV and weighed each round, separating them out by weight to use in matches. (I achieved a High Master rating doing this) Cheaper than GT that way and the accuracy in my guns was equal to the GT that I tested numerous times. Depending upon the level of accuracy desired, the SV works great in most guns. Each gun is ammo sensitive and may not shoot the same ammo as others in your collection. Best bet is to buy all the different types of 22 ammo available at the time and test in your own gun(s) to determine which is the most accurate for your purposes. Nearly all of it will maintain "minute of squirrel", but for competition shooting, go with the most accurate (if you can find it!)!
Thanks for the information! I was told that part of what makes match grade ammo is that the likely hood of duds, like the minimag that was well slower than the others was much lower which sort of jives with your explanation.
Thanks for the information! I was told that part of what makes match grade ammo is that the likely hood of duds, like the minimag that was well slower than the others was much lower which sort of jives with your explanation.
The way this ammo shortage keeps dragging on, I’m half expecting Paul to have to resort to bayonet drills and archery just to have some reason to destroy meat targets.
Bring back tomahawk throws
And bullet proof log cabins.
And let's not forget the icing on the cake.... tannerite.
I enjoy his Dutch oven holiday specials too.
@Zoomer Waffen You kidding me? We've seen several major sources of unrest in this country and record firearm sales. The reason why everything is so rare is because there are more firearm owners and more reasons to buy as much ammo as you can than ever before!
Dude, even if all of a sudden ammo become plentiful again tomorrow, I still want to see bayonet drills from Paul.
Just when i thought - man, its been ages since the last Paul Harrel video
That’s so funny! It feels like every time I randomly go back and binge his videos he’s suddenly active and uploading again it’s amazing!
I've been worried sick about him
@@bobbylee7801 to be honest i was getting a bit worried myself. Its laughable, ofcourse, that we were worrying about a man who shoots bulls eye from a bed he brought to the range.
It's hard to get ammo, that's probably why
Yep. He posted a bit ago there was an issue.
If you watch this with closed captioning on, every shot he takes is says “Applause” lol
I *think* that's an artifact of auto-transcription.
At least, it only shows up during the target shooting, not the chronograph shooting.
Artificial intelligence
Emphasis on "artificial"
That's amazing
The algorithm knows Paul is a great shot. 😉
I watched it on CC too and almost turned on the volumn to see if Paul Harrell dubbed it in. lol
When Paul Harrell updates his Iphone, Apple accepts his terms and conditions.
Paul gives Chuck Norris pointers how to be assertive and self confident.
@BrdMan Fether so,,,,,,,,,,, don’t read them if they make you mad. That’s logic a 5 year old is capable of.
Thank goodness@BrdMan Fether swooped in to save the day, otherwise I might have taken a tiny bit of enjoyment from an innocent joke rather than spending that time wallowing in bleak, humorless reality, like a real man should.
@@jebediahkerman8245 I almost fell off my stick horse and lost my Burger King paper crown after reading Fether's comment.
@@markh.6687 Don't cry. I'll give you my happy meal toy.
The "boring part with the chronograph" is like ASMR for gun nuts.
This guy wears the same outfit rain, sleet, snow, 120*, now that boys and girls is what you call consistency
@@thatoneguybones8036 That's because you don't shower or wash your clothes.
@@thatoneguybones8036 You're supposed to use reindeer piss.
@@sakelaine2953 rookie mistake
@@thatoneguybones8036 What happened to you van down by the river?
@@thatoneguybones8036 i wear shorts and the same black shirts that come in a value pack from walmart to work and people think Im from the Pen cuz I wear the same shit everyday lol
I’m disappointed he didn’t pull both ammo and the rifles from his jacket pockets. :|
It's ok he has a ar7 in his brest pocket.
And the target stand lol
@@SnazzyZubloids be careful if you encounter him with an Alice pack. I hear he carries a whole titan launch system in it
If the 10-22 was a takedown, he could and possibly would do that.
Paul's had that .22 ammo stashed in his shooting jacket since 1982.
The labels aren't that old
Nope. Paul uses sheer force of will to make his jacket pockets produce ammo out of nothingness. ;)
I must agree - of course they were stashed in his jacket between the .17HMR and the .22mag, followed by 19 numerically sorted calibers .
At today's prices, it only _seems_ like every round should be hand-crafted out of sterling silver by Vestal Virgins.
WHAT? THE REP LIED TO ME? Call the temple I want my lamb back!
Here we go again. What the hell is a Vestal Virgin and where do I find one?
@@sabretom7594 You have to find the Castle ARRGH! Ask for Zoot.
@@markh.6687 : Zoot knows nothing of a “whiter shade of pale”.
Maybe that's why there isn't any ammo on the shelves - they couldn't find any virgins.
WOOHOO A VIDEO!!! I ALMOST DIED OF DEPRIVATION!!!
Same.
Truth!!!
SANITY deprivation! I concur.
Paul stabbing the but of that rifle in the snow without looking had me rolling
Just me- I'd be fairly crippled in that kind of cold. When it snowed here, I
thought I would just have to lay covered up in bed all day and pee
myself
@@maxpinson5002 Layers bruh, layers. And wrap up your extremities real good.
Just don't wrap your feet too tightly. It slows blood flow and allows them to get colder.
Wool socks and my 46 year old Sorel Boots....
Real man shit we just know u know 😎😎😎😎
Anyone else "rejoice" at 2:08 when Paul reached into his pocket to produce more ammo?!
I was hoping it was a .22 handgun lol
Last time I was this early, 1000 rounds of 9mm target ammo cost $180.00
Ah the good ole days, sad
I’m glad I bought a few.
@@Romans6.1-2 mucho texto
@Turk February
Apologies, and you are most likely on target.
I'm just thankful that I've been reloading since the 90s and saved brass as well as stockpiled components (modestly) over the years. It's a strange sensation to watch them go down.
@Turk February the manufacturers will catch up with the hoarders soon enough. It's probably going to be like the opposite of gamestop soon, all the damn hoarders trying be middlemen are gonna be stuck with their warehouse full of ammo and in store prices will drop wayyy down because the manufacturers are all stepping it up.
The King is Back! 3 weeks is a long time for the King to be away.
I just rewatch all his videos haha
Long live The King!
My favorite part is Paul jamming the Marlin in the snow like a boss ..and didn’t even look back
Yay 😁 Paul’s back!!!! Best instructor in the business. Welcome back sir.
I'm grateful Paul wasn't absent because he found "THE BEER!"
He's so badass that 'beer' is more afraid of him than he is of it
I love how the snow affects the audio, deadening the sound.
The difference is subsonic versus supersonic ammo
Actually the sound travels farther in cold weather conditions.
@@Sickofsociety1 But the snow cover dampens reflections, like acoustic foam panels in a recording studio. So a snowy landscape always feel very quiet and almost like a cozy room.
@@maximilianmustermann5763 Agreed
If hickok is our grandpa and then paul harrel is our cool Uncle! Your authentic and professional, great to learn from you!
Paul we missed you! Glad you're back!
That wasn’t a bad reading on the mini mag. It wasn’t loaded correctly . You can tell it doesn’t break the sound barrier like the other mini mag shots did.
Agreed. The sound was quite clearly off.
I was looking for this comment. Noticed that too.
@@goodbyemr.anderson5065 the speed of sound is roughly 1125 FPS. So basically all high velocity 22LR ammo breaks the sound barrier out of a 16” barrel mini mags being one of them.
I noticed it as well, it wasn't nearly as loud as the rest of the mini mag ammo. Paul probably didn't notice because he was wearing hearing protection
I concur, that shot sounded like an under loaded round.
I like the "director's cut" that has extra stuff at the end.
I can't believe Paul loves us enough to spend $7000 on some ammo to entertain us. He's the GunTuber GOAT.
Paul poppin' .22s; a sure cure for the winter blues.
You got the start of a tune there, canoestothemoon
Why do I find Paul’s chronograph tests almost hypnotically relaxing?
I hate them!
I could listen to Paul read chrono numbers all night long...
I've literally fallen asleep during the chrono tests in previous videos... the man has a gift.
Especially when starts counting the numbers and says - now you feel very sleepy..
@@xmrpaintx1 If Paul ever has kids of his own, he'll lull them to sleep by reading chronograph results.
Your videos are a comfort in uncomfortable times. Thank you.
I was just watching Kentucky Ballistics and said to myself 'Huh, Paul hasnt showed up in my feed lately. I'll check on his channel cause youtube prolly hates him and wont notify me.'
Voila, a new video.
Was thinking the same thing. ScrewTube hates gun videos.
Welcome back Paul. I think I speak for everyone when I say that you have been greatly missed.
You bet.
Love Paul's slick move with the 10/22 and sling at 11:58
People, don't exit when you see the credits. There is more!
'Bout to leave, myself, when I noticed all the extra time at the end. 😊
Thanks Man! Bonus Squirt!!!
Guess Paul got a Marvel contract? lol
I was about to leave then I was like why is there another few minutes left LOL
I could definitely hear the difference in that mini mag shot it was way quieter
Yeah i think it was a true reading, the bullet probably didnt break the sound barrier so it was a lot quieter
It definitely didn't surpass the sound barrier, because you can't hear it echo. That makes me think the chronograph might've been right.
You have no idea how much we still appreciate you making videos during the ammo crunch.
I didn't even know there was such a thing as CCI green. I be happy with CCI mini mags.
I'd be happy to find any 22 ammo in stock.
CCI Velocitor. CCI Stinger.
There's even a CCI version that has copper/polymer matrix bullets cruising at 1850 fps.
@@brettanderson6743 you can forget about that. There is NONE! The crazy thing is how long it held,out for when everything else was gone.
@@brettanderson6743 I am finding it daily in East Idaho. Lots of stores per capita seems to help.
@Mr Cevant I meant 22lr in general. Aguila, Federal, and Thundebolt lately. Found some Stingers awhile back, but haven’t seen Mini mags in awhile.
I liked the bonus footage. It reveals how much thought and effort you put into each presentation even if the extra work doesn't change the conclusion.
Those responsible for rolling the credits too hastily have been sacked.
I understood that reference.
Paul, watching you shoot is almost as fun as going to the range myself.
Enjoyable yes, absolutely. But let's not get carried away there pal. lol
I would fly to Oregon twice a year and pay extra for a teeth cleaning if I can to have Paul Harrell do it. All I ask for is a photo.
I wonder what he keeps in his pockets in his work coat.
What a day for me today, a dental cleaning and a Paul Harrell video, and rain outside instead of snow!!
I suspect it would be a very thorough cleaning
That would be a situation where, 'Don't try this at home; I'm a professional.' really means something!
@@gregb6469 it always means something. Generally it just means don't sue me... Wait a second, my dentist always tells me to try brushing my teeth at home!
I've been wondering about these types of 22lr, thank you for the useful presentation and information.
Most informative gun channel out there!
I would be very interested in a Mr. Harrell comparison/breakdown of the controversial 60gr. Aguila Sniper Sub Sonic 22LR ammunition.
Haven’t seen any of that, but I have been stocking up on the non-controversial regular Aguila for 2.99 a box.
What's the controversy?
Probly the word sniper
So...send him some.
@@vidard9863 its super long so in some guns it tumbles or just plain inaccurate. Some people have very good luck with it!
It is highly unlikely you will get "match" accuracy unless your rifle has a tight "match" chamber. Shooting match ammo in a sporting chamber usually only shows modest improvement.
There are too many variables in accuracy to equate match with accuracy in .22 ammunition. Instead, I would like to know how many flyers and duds should I expect per 1000 rounds.
Not gonna lie, your 10-22 *really* liked those mini mags. Four of those went into one hole.
Mr. Paul Harrell and the crew, great to see you back I missing your videos I watch everyone.
Multiple friends/family members of mine are reconsidering their stance on firearms and thinking about arming themselves for their protection. I make sure to point them all in the direction of two people: Massad Ayoob and Paul Harrell. Thank you Mr. Harrell for providing such educational content so that people are less likely to be misled by dangerous/legally dubious advice from people like 'ol Joe Two-Blasts. Keep up the amazing work!
We'll ignore the sound of the plane in the background, that's just a flyer.
Give Paul something with a little better stopping power and he can fix that. lol
Glad to see this video, Paul; thank you. A tangential comment follows:
My first rifle was a Remington Rolling Block in .22. It was a great single shot: utterly safe and reliable, and quite accurate for a kid in his pre-teen years. But, when I was fourteen, I graduated to a Marlin Model 50. It was just superb, I had so much fun plinking with it, shooting cans and pine cones, often appear targets and occasionally vermin around an old farmstead in Vermont. Many years later - upon returning from an 18 month assignment in the Pacific - I learned that my mother (in one of necessary, periodic cleaning binges) had given that Marlin away to our church’s Scout troop. I miss it to today, it was a great lever action pinker. .
Last time I was this early, Walmart still had .22 in stock!
Paul, i just turned 21 and bought my first handgun. Went with the Sig P365, and i plan on concealed carrying it. Thank you for the content and advice! You are doing a true service to the part of the population that wants to be protected
I’ve been shooting green tag CCI out of my model 60 for over 20 years and still like it but I have never stood it up in the snow 😂😂😂
I always thought it was a new type of 22 ammo. Only been buying it for about 6 years.Seems to be as quiet as subsonic 22 ammo when using my suppressor. Very reliable and love when I see it on the store shelves.
That's how you recognize someone who grew up in a climate that has snow. "It's just snowing a little bit, no need for gloves".
Match ammo which tends to just be higher quality ammo like anything cci is so much better with match chamber or at least a bentz chamber. Green tag is just a good batch. So green tag with a match chamber is quite accurate.
Thank you for this video. I saw the Green Tag ammo on CCI's website and the high price compared to my usual Mini Mag and Standard Velocity target ammo I normally order.
appreciate the thoroughness. Also like the new training facility.
Great to have you back. The info was excellent and much appreciate!
I think a more valid comparison would be the ammunition being shot out of more "competitive" or "target" firearms. They will have tighter chambers and better barrels than firearms designed to eat anything and you will get more out of the ammunition
25 years ago I bought an early S&W Model 41 in well used condition. After some stoning of a peened -over bit of metal on the edge of the bolt, the initial case ejection problem and failure to go into battery issues were corrected. At that time I used CCI standard velocity exclusively for a couple years with very good performance in accuracy and with consistent cycling. Then I had kids and a business career and my model 41 sat idle for 25 years. Hoping to have some fun, I joined a bullseye club and bought a fresh brick of CCI standard. At the range I found that the pistol would not shoot five rounds without an ejection “stovepipe”. I tried cleaning & lighter oil, changed to milder ambient temps, adjusted to a tighter grip, tried different mags, installed a new bolt, a new firing pin and spring, a new volquartzen ejector, a new recoil spring, and finally a swanky new barrel. None of those things solved my problem. I assumed the pistol was old and too used but never once doubted my trusty CCI standard ammo. I was dejected. Then I heard that CCI had changed hands and manufacturing locations with less consistent controls on their lower end products. The source recommended CCI Green Tags as the “new” Standard velocity. Sure enough, $500 in parts, and hours of time later, it was the ammo change to Green Tag that solved the problem. It’s likely a problem that would have gone unnoticed in a bolt rifle, but consistency made the difference for cycling in my model 41. I can’t comment on accuracy yet, after fixing the cycling issue, I’m off shooting again due to other responsibilities. Will there ever be enough shooting time? Only if you are Paul Harrell !
Paul Harrell...the savior we didn’t know we needed so bad
4:47 That low reading of 1016fps was probably a correct chrono reading. It clearly sounded more reduced and muffled than the shots before and after it.
1 million subs for 2021, Paul can do it.
Thank-you for wearing the hat. I had a hat just like it in 1965. I wore it everywhere. It was my Gomer hat. I was 13 and got it at an archery store. Glad goofs are still with us.
Another awesome video.
as a guy who loves to shoot .22, I found this fantastic. I found your observations about sight visibility to be very astute (you are the expert, so that's not unexpected). excellent presentation as always. Thank you.
I laughed so hard when he stuck that gun in the snow!!
👍😁👍
Great to see more content! Also, count me as one of the folk who smiled when the Marlin was stuck into the snow as a place to sit for a while. ;-)
Never liked a video faster than a new Paul Harrell video.
11:48 ... It's moments like these that have me convinced. Paul is a true genius.
That is why I stick with the Mini Mags, and they feed in all of my semi autos.
Some of those 22LR bench rest rigs are pretty insane. They pretty much remove the human element entirely. Although I will admit that it is impressive to see Lapua match 22LR ammunition drilling five round groups with one ragged hole at 50 yards.
This is why I love this channel...
"Here's a question!!! I demand answers!!!"
Paul. "It's complicated but here's my assessment based on my results"
The snowfall just reminded me that I had to take my Army M16 certification basically in a blizzard in KY. The furthest pop-up target was 300 Yards (I think - early 1990s) and almost no one could see targets properly. Out of my company only 1 expert cert.; I missed expert by 1 shot. Ugh
When I complained under my breath Drill Sgt. heard me and gave me a few lessons, some wonderful calisthenics in a foot of snow, but then he said weather doesn't matter when you're in combat. True.
But the next company certified the next clear sunny day and had 7 expert qualifications.
Live and learn I guess
Thank you Paul for these videos!
"We're going to start with some tedious chronograph testing."
Oh no, a video of my favorite firearms educator engaging in relaxing slow fire amid wintry forested hilltops. That sounds just awful.
/sarcasm
I liked the bonus footage after you signed off at 12:35 . very nice and shows exactly the info needed. Nice job!
I was missing my tedium caveats and ya-buts.
the 'regular stuff' caught me off guard, but otherwise it's all the same besides QC of the rounds excluding the cci mini mags.
This is Bob, LaDonna's husband. I used to work in a gun store in the 90's and the Green tag was always a lot more expensive to buy. I had some buddies who were experience shooters and they told me the same thing re: the Green Tag it's just standard velocity with supposed better QC. LaDonna and I both shoot mainly CCI standard velocity with great (for us) groups and excellent reliability no matter what we shoot them in, handgun or rifle. Thank you for the review sir. We've missed you....a lot!
4:50 that wasn't a bad chrono reading, that was a dud round, it was also audible.
Not to me when I was wearing earplugs and behind the rifle. See pinned comment.
Good to see you again Paul!
Hey Paul, I think you're missing one thing here...You can probably expect the green tag to always be that good, and you can expect the normal to be that good most of the time. But when there are consistency issues in the manufacturing process, those rounds will not end up in the green tag bucket.
Cool seeing the snow! Great video
Yesterday, I found loads of Mini Mags in a tiny rural hardware store near my house.. I felt like a lottery winner because I haven't found Mini Mags in stock since the "beer" situation. My 10/22 performs best with it compared to the Winchesters and Armscors I was forced to use because of availability.
Those Winchester Super X rounds in the red plastic boxes had the worst percentage of duds I've ever seen when I tried them a year and a half ago. 3 out of 25 according to my records.
@@cconley3315 Winchester 22 hollow points were a letdown. Shot 300 of them and they were not only less accurate but pretty jammy compared to others. Quality control isn't there for me either.
Listening to you explain stuff is cathartic. Stay well.
I was missing my PH education moments. Glad you posted again.
And WHEN ARE YOU GONNA SELL JACKETS AND ACTION FIGURES??
Seconded!
I've pulled a few dozen .22's apart of different manufacturers to examine and weigh the charges and found that most were VERY consistent...powder wise. You're only talking about a small amount of powder (1.5-2.0 grains IIRC) but where I saw a large difference was in the priming compound. Being rimfire they drop in the compound wet then spin the case to distribute it around the rim. One particular batch of Remington's was having a fair number of misfires that would fire on the second try striking a different part of the rim...and sure enough I found a few in the pulled ones where there was a gap in the compound. If you happen to hit the gap in the priming you have a dud that will fire when you reorient the case and actually hit the primer.
Other cases from different lots showed marked differences in the amount and thickness of the priming. One particular 'good' batch that were consistent and seemed full powered had a thick consistent rim loaded with compound, while others that had misfires or 'weak' sounding reports had minimal compound and some with gaps. The 'weak' loads most likely are caused by the lack of priming compound not giving the powder a good lighting more so than the charge being dramatically different IMHO. And this is also the reason if you wanted to make a rimfire gun more reliable you'd think about double firing pins which would greatly increase your chances of hitting some compound.
Ever wonder what a double-charged .22lr will do to a 10/22? I did that once just to see because the charges in that particular batch filled about half the case...so two went into one just to see what happened. It went BANG!! and actually kicked! Also the case head separated and took the extractor out with it and stuck it firmly into the nearby wall. Credit to Ruger...dug out the extractor and reinstalled and that gun was back in service. Don't recommend you doing something like that...really stupid...but it answered a question my young mind had.
I couldn't believe my eyes, Paul standing with a rifle, surrounded by snowflakes!
Nice one !
Best reviewer ever. I don’t even care about 22lr , but watched the whole thing because of how intriguing he makes it.
last time I was this early the assault weapons ban hadn't happened yet
Yeah, life was better before Reagan and the Republicans banned automatics in '86.
@@a.hollins8691 aye
Glad to have you back, Paul
I used to shoot a ton of green tags through one of my rifles.. they were 1/2 the price of eley or fed match and shot way better than any bulk ammo or other cci offerings.. wolf match is another favorite of budget "match" 22 ammo
If I recall, that Wolf match was made in Germany by Dynamit Nobel. That was good stuff.
This one in particular was informative for the majority of plinkers out there who've ever wondered if the price increase made enough of a difference to make a difference. Right now, it's all about what I can find that isn't over a dollar a round.
Would be interesting, if you could pull some projectiles and put them on a good scale, to see if the variations in velocity matches the variations in weight.
Shot from two of the most enjoyable rifles you can get. Thank you.... Another eye opener. Always looking to minimize bruising the meat.
I would think the test of Green Tag vs. others should be through a match rifle......at 100 yds. The results will most certainly be different.
Your wrong!
@@steveholl6094 Care to elaborate on why "I'm wrong?" My 16-year-old daughter shoots summer smallbore matches at 100 yds. with CCI Green Tag. She would not be competitive with the standard CCI Target.
Yeah. Those groups all were bad. Which is ok for those 'plinking grade' rifles. So, we now know that bad grouping rifles will still group badly with potentially nicer ammo. Most might have guessed that before. ^^ Green Tag is relatively cheap compared to stuff like RWS R100, Eley Tenex and other 'real' match ammo. Would be nice to see how it performs in match rifles. But I guess that is a little outside of the scope of the main audience of this channel. ^^
It is kinda cool how you can hear the difference in the mini mags from the others. Especially from a little .22LR.
Due to the ammo shortage Paul may have to start using air guns like I'm currently doing. I will admit it's still fun
Excellent video. As usual, I learned something. I was under the impression that Green Tag was held to closer tolerances and thus the higher price. Looks like it is a better idea to just shoot several brands and see which thw gub likes best instead of buying the green tag assuming the closer tolerance would make it more accurate.
"Don't try this at home." Well, Paul Harrel has spoken, we may no longer test ammo brands ourselves.
Do you test ammo at home?
@@borkwoof696 Not on purpose
@@borkwoof696 I used to. Then some idiot decided to subdivide and build a bunch of houses behind my place.
Hopefully you get a million this year. Your the Most professional Dude I’ve watched. Thorough, detailed, and consistent.
I would be interested in seeing the difference in these rounds out of a match grade rifle.
I love CCI anything. I must say his results match what I get out of my Mdl 60, but through my Mossberg 46 B (A) with aperture rear, it’s just one ragged little hole at 50 off a bench with Green Tags, but it opens up to nearly an inch with anything else. Thanks Paul ! Always a pleasure to watch your presentations.