WOW Dieseled Pellet Rifle RIVALS Firearm - .30 Caliber Break Barrel OVER 50 Ft Lbs Energy!
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- Testing out my Hatsan Mod 130 QE in .30 caliber, with dieseled pellets! I am using petroleum jelly as a dieseling agent so that I can have a consistent amount per pellet. Testing VS non dieseled pellets and .22 LR into ballistics gel and my bologna/fiberboard pack. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.co...
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I wanted to mention this as many might be wondering if my eyes deceive me. But no, the numbers I list for gel block penetration are spot on. It's a weird thing, as these Gopro cameras I use have to be in some sort of widescreen at all times, so it stretches the block edge and makes the inch markers look a full inch off. That's why I look 210 in center of the screen but 250 on the edge of the screen lol.
hmm.. same Hatsan in .25 and dieseled, "place your bets!"
the .30 pellets weighing 48 grain, typical .22 being 40 grain.
.25 pellet might be better than .22 pellet up against a .22lr
this is super interesting to me, I wonder if you can machine a barrel to perform with dieseling from the ground up? Maybe like a mechanical oiler that only dumps a perfect amount of fuel behind the pellet after the action is closed? I imagine a spring loaded detent that would actuate a valve maybe? I think you are right on making sure your loads are consistent, because all over youtube people are using things like rem oil, and wd 40, and 3 in 1 oils, and they all seem to shoot wildly inconsistent shot to shot.
The United States Department of the Army uses 3/4in plywood board to determine lethality. And then do distancing for lethality at distance.
I blew my piston seal when my nitro piston dieseled.
OK. So first thing you need is replacing cheap hard plastic made seal of the piston with one of higher quality. You can get Hatsan dedicated good seal from Czech Rep or Slovakia. To put it on seal needs to stay a while in water of 90'C and the piston put into the fridge. Clean the barrel and check the muzzle for badly finished edge of rifling. Fix if needed. Use the hollow point pellet with a deep hole. Find and fit thin HSS drill (for metal/steel drilling) so it could go inside easily. Cut the drill into pieces but fond overheat it. You need this drill to stay heat treated. Glue the drill tiny bits inside the hollow point pellet or airgun slug (it looks like a bullet most have hollow points. Put a drop of flamable liquid (like engine oil or WD40 or kerosene) inside the pellet skirt. Airgun slugs sometimes have a shsllow dent on the vottom (end) side. Second drop put inside mouth of air cylinder or inside the cylinder. It will go thru any coconut you want. My tuned Hatsan 125 with my own vortex version gotinto 22.LR areas. Hypersonic speed 25-30 grain pellet slug while dieseling went thth old crapy car doors steel sheet panel and stopped on the door plastic panel inside. My PCP Hatsan airgun (Nova Star in 6,35mm) with 75 joules energy and slug with a drill bit inside goes thru car door and stays in the plastic panel of the second doors.
38 years on this planet and this is the first I have ever heard about "dieseling" a pellet. I can't imagine the trouble I would have got into as a child if i knew this. I wonder what a drop of RemOil would do. Thanks for sharing.
A drop of pretty much any oil works the same. I've found that a single drops worth (vaseline or oil) actually works better than than filling the entire skirt of the pellet. It seems to consistently provide higher velocities. My best guess as to why would be that with a single drop you're getting a better fuel to oxygen mixture so a more complete burn. With engines, fuel heavy mixtures burn less completely and put out less force than with an ideal mixture. Having a good ratio of oxygen to fuel is exactly the reason carburetors were invented and why they work. You use a carburetor to moderate the level of fuel and oxygen to get the most complete burn. I imagine if he used about half the vaseline amount he was using here he would see even higher velocities.
Hahahaha my exact same thought on the subject
I know 40 years old and I heard about it last month, and I keep forgetting to try it out dammit. I picked up my air pistol the other day and was like why did I want to use this again.
@@disturbeddemons1 14 to 1 is what you want
I used bore cleaner on two of my .22 pellet guns . Smoke from both more power too
Sam's refrigerator = 48 one pound packs of bologna, one loaf of Schmeckmann's rye bread, 2 blocks of ballistic gel, and a six pack of Miller High Life. Bon Appetit!
LOL, well I actually only have two packs of bologna at a time, I don't like rye and I don't drink at all. And the gel does not need to be refrigerated.
@@GunSam dang, you totally shat all over dude's comment! 😂
Thanks for your demonstration on dieseling. I've noticed that manufactures of airguns discourage adding lubricants into the mechanism and often wondered why. I have known what dieseling is but it's good to see a practical demo.
I did it a long time ago, and it was hard for me to tell if it negatively effected the gun. The old style springer never lasted too long anyways so who knows. I know that ultimately I dry fired that gun all that time ago and broke it. The main issue is the seal around the pellet chamber can break, making air leak out and be less powerful. But honestly it's just a rubber o-ring, and probably easily replaceable.
@@GunSam Not so sure about springers not lasting - my 1958 Gecado is still going fine with the original leather piston (and, until this year the original leather breech seal) and it has ingested countless tins of 3-in-1 oil in its time. Back in the 50s we didn't even consider the 3-in-1 smoke as dieseling at all as you had to lubricate the leather constantly anyway. Here in the UK, dieseling meant putting model diesel engine fuel (approx 1:1:1 ether, kerosene, oil) into the chamber - that really did something!
I was told that the higher powered piston airguns diesel toa degree anyways. There has to be some lubricant in the cylinder to slow down wear. The action of firing a springer resembles cavitation of a vessel propellor. Also the pistol shrimp uses cavitation to huntits prey. We are talking about significant energy here. The manufacturers concern is about liability, litigation , & safety - the holy trinity I guess for corporations lol.
t is easy to dismiss the process as it is hidden in the gun internals. However the piston - I am pretty sure is going to get launched rearward as part of the firing cycle with dieselling, sometimes with enough power to recock the gun. It is not a gentle event.
The heating of the air in the cylinder happens with every shot. An estimate from a source says it is around 1500F in there, for a gun rated for 12FPE. This is whether the cylinder is dry or has a fuel source in there.
@@ColinMill1 oooh diesel fuel now it’s getting interesting
Wow I am equally astounded at the difference that dieseling does to the performance. Thanks for your efforts and great presentation.
Having the ability to vary the power needed for any particular shot is a great asset. I have noticed a brand new air rifle with factory oil within is a lot more powerful than after a few shots. Keeping the compression cylinder free of debris and the seal's clean is a difficult task, Old guns had leather seals.
Yep I've been shooting Air Rifles since 1980 and I'll tell you this dieseling my Beeman Duel Caliber Piston Air Rifle turns it into a lethal weapon and especially with 22cal non lead Red Flight Rounds it's definitely good for Home Defense shooting up to 1400FPS .
God Bless
Vaseline is the best way to diesel pellets because you can control the amount of dieseling and it doesn't run out if the pelletslike oils do. Try it you'll be very impressed because a half full skirt in pellets is just amazing added strength a full skirt in 22cal can be used for larger game especially head shots with a desieseled round will take down large game !!!!!!!!
The Military used a 1/2" pine board at 100 yards when testing the .22lr , can't remember the year 50's I think, the .22lr has a force to be reckoned with, a very deadly round.
I agree wit the .22 bullet but the .30 hatsan wins the trophy
Some long range expert shooters managed to hit 1/2" thick plywood at about 700 yards with 22LR standard velocity ammo. The 40 grain bullet still had the ability to puncture the board. They calculated it carried aprox 22 ft/lbs to the target. Hatsan with 30+ ft/lbs is deadly since it can puncture 3/4" wood too
That was a considerable increase on performance Sam. I would like to see a similar tests using .22 and 177 pellets.
Yeah I agree, you would think the smaller surface area would yield better penetration. I have that same Hatsan air rifle in .22 and it gets about 28/FPE at the muzzle
Its refreshing to see someone loading a spring rifle safely i.e. holding the barrel firmly in case the sears fail or you nudge the trigger. Better still, just break the barrel but don't cock it, load and THEN cock the rifle a close. Dieseling happens EVERY time you shoot a springer from the lube on the piston and cylinder. It doesn't damage the rifle though. The original users of dieseling used to drop the lube into the cylinder potentially causing more internal damage. I suspect putting it in the pellet skirt may not be so damaging. However its still a very bad idea. Its also likely to totally ruin accuracy as well as the rifle. Its a stooped thing to do. If you want more power just buy the right kit
I never thought of using Vaseline but I've used 3 & 1 oil many times. If it does hurt the gun I've never noticed it. Yep makes it much more advantageous for pests! Excellent video!
kinda opposite for me, I've always kept my pellets wet with WD-40..
over a year ago saw some videos on dieseling, "well no wonder!"
honestly didn't know I'd been doing it all along, for decades.
Crosman field pellets have the cone shape and short straight hollow, surface tension keeps that smaller hollow filled, inner cone surface only just wet, so it ends up being pretty consistent for the "extra charge" all by itself.
What ever you try, run 10 shots through a crony to see if the speed is consistent enough to hit a target more than once. To me, if I am getting more than 2.5% fps change,---it might be OK for 30 yards, but that is not working for longer distances I like to shoot.
I have been using the vale line in pellet skirt for several years with great improvement in power. Your gun will have a different point of impact and probably prefer a different pellet. Main point: With Vaseline in the skirt , the dieseling happens in the barrel. Liquid fuels drain down into the piston camber and ignite there...big difference in seal life?
@@EarthSurferUSA They say if you use slugs and not pellets it improves accuracy because the pellets is unstable at supersonic speeds.
@@a64738 That's correct, if you diesel your air rifle it's better to use slugs to keep the speeds down below supersonic for better accuracy. But then again, I saw a video recently of a guy shooting a Gamo Gen3 magnum .22, using super light alloy pellets that reached nearly 1400fps, well above the speed of sound, but they remained incredibly accurate at 35 yards. His results made me re-think that supersonic reduces accuracy.
Air rifles are no joke, once you get to the .30 pcps, you can tune your rifle to shoot those 48 grains at 1000 FPS if you wanted, those can 100% be lethal.
Shit that 30 cal. Break Barrel at 500+ will kill you Dead as is.
Have you seen the large Winchester air rifles? A bit expensive but the ads claim they are good for any game in North America. ??? A large bear or moose, I want to have a quick option for a second shot but I would love to shoot one just to see. I have a .177 Winchester model 1000 break barrel air rifle that will go super sonic (rounds crack) if you diesel them with light oil. They certainly hit my backstop a lot harder too! It has been a great snake rifle here in Florida for years.
@@donaldvincent there are air rifles that will take down grizzly bears. Starting from .177 all the way up to .50 cal, search online and you’ll find a ton.
@Rooster Cogburns Eyepatch Great info. I have only had experience with smaller/cheaper models. I have a "Winchester" (made in Turkey) 1000 in .177 that kicks like a mule, especially if you diesel it with 3in1 oil. I use it for snakes around the property. Houses close by mean even a .22 would be excessive. I would really like to try one of these Big / high power air rifles at the range. God they look fun. Something different than my regular rifles.
Shhhh...don't let biden know that
Be interesting to see how a few grains of gun powder added first then the vasaline on top would perform
You sir are thinking correctly
@@elijahcollier4547 sure am tho prob need a a remote way to pull the trigger for safety reasons but.lets be realistic air guns wernt built to absorb explosions only compression but I think a few grain of powder and dieseling would be interesting and I have in my younger days fired a wierack hw35 with the extended barrel using 3in one oil added to a tin of pellets have tried adding two drops of petrol(gas) to the air chamber once cooked even diesel fuel.parafin vaseline wd40 etc all seemed to boost the power some reliable others not so reliable or accurate also done same in a Benjamin pump action just by adding a couple drops before closing the bolt.
@@paulbeddows6014 oh with out a doubt air rifles aren't designed for the pressures involved with powder propellant. BUT most engineered consumer products have a safety factor that is usually 2-3 times that of the maximum specified load or pressure limit of said product. So I wonder what the peak pressures are in a normal pellet rifle when fired, then see if there are any manufacturing information on the safety margins.
I feel like most petroleum products with be effective, petrol not so much compared to deisle but I digress. Going back to what I said above, there could be an ideal amount of Vaseline to powder ratio. Assuming it's smokeless powder you are thinking about I'm not sure it would be of any benefit too slow of a burn time 🤔 possibly or not sufficient amount. Possibly fffg black powder would be ideal ignoring fouling
Sorry for the stream of thoughts
I don't think there is a lethality question. My Dad who is a retired ER doc had a dad come in who was shot accidentally by his son with a Sheridan .20cal pumper. The cylindrical pellet went in under his armpit and the pellet/slug stopped literally 1mm from his heart. That was a 15.2gr pellet at around 630fps.
Ultimately dieseling will blow seals sooner and can cause extra wear on the airguns performance. It's fun but the gun was not built with the extra pressure, not to mention the explosion that occurs when dieseling. It will make your gun require more maintenance sooner and can eventually damage it.
@Joshua Greenspan What's that got to do with anything? I didn't say anything about not dieseling in fact I said it fun. Just there are consequences to doing so.
Love my airguns. I have MP Pneumatics, springers, and PCP's. Enjoy them more than my powder burners honestly. Hope you keep doing some air stuff here and there. The market and hobby has exploded in the last 5 years or so.
I must admit that my sub 12ft/lb Diana springer is greatly improved when the pellets are dieseled. I tend to use a 30 grain pellet coated with molybdenum and dieseled with a vaseline/naptha(lighter fluid) mix. When the air temperature is very hot I can get over 1000ft per sec.
@@49mrbassman does your accuracy suffer though? It's claimed in the airgun world that a diabolo shaped pellet just can't handle much more than about 950 fps without destabilizing and negatively affecting accuracy. I personally can't confirm or deny, but I'd love to see an actual test done at say 900, 1100, and 1300 fps. At 20 yards I think you could zing one 1500 fps and you could keep it within a couple inches. I don't think it would work out to 100 yards though. When it falls back into transonic from subsonic is supposedly where the most of the destabilizing occurs.
@@joshuagibson2520 it's more like an airgun bullet rather than a diabolo pellet it's very stable and gives excellent accuracy up to 75 yards. I replaced the original spring with an ox spring accelerator which increased performance and stability.
The pellets are knock out pellets and I stand corrected they are 25.39 grain made by JSB in the Czech Republic. The molybdenum makes them virtually frictionless in the gun barrel and reduces air resistance.
@@49mrbassman oh yes. I'm familiar with JSB knockout slugs. They're quite the little beasts. I'm still not convinced that airguns can't be effective in a supersonic scenario. All the pros I've conversed woth keep telling me that air and supersonic won't work with accuracy. Slugs or pellets. I've yet to see it actually tested and documented anywhere though.
@@joshuagibson2520 I can only relate to the experiences I've had in the field when out rabbiting and I've taken plenty of Rabbits with a head shot at 60yards, I've also had a few woodpidgeons at about the same distance.
Well, I've got some alloy pellets & some vaseline, now I have a plan for this afternoon. Thank you! That is an impressive increase in speed, thanks for sharing.
Thanks! Share your results!
In the U.K. we used to have a pellet called champion ballistic, it was more barrel shaped and had a small ball bearing cast in the pellet it would be perfect for this if they still make them.
Yes, that does sound interesting. I'm curious now, with dieseling, as to just how refined, that simple pellet, could be made to be? In regards to its distance, speed, and accuracy...
Every person that uses a cutting torch should be familiar with the rule to Never put oil on the threads of gas gauges. I have seen the aftermath of an oxygen cylyender and the melted gauges after someone put oil on the threads. The oxygen in the compressed air acts very quickly with oil. That is why dieseling is so effective. I blew the seals and the back end out of my first air rifle as a kid ,when i put a few squirts of 3in one into the compression chamber. i learned about dieseling fast.
Very interesting!! Now if you have the arm and time for it you should do a test to see how much wear and tear does dieseling do to your gun over time. Maybe 30-50 shots per day on a bench to see if accuracy proves or diminishes. Also a daily visual inspection. Thanks for the video!
Fascinating, I mean, I’ve watched several of your other videos but this I’d never heard of.
Being an experienced motor-head I am amazed at the long shot of achieving a stoichiometric or theoretical air to fuel mixture by placement of the fuel.....Any amounts of 'boost' by the dieseling would literally be roulette wheel chance at achieving an optimum max-power mixture
It seemed to be running a bit rich. 😊
WD40 a little drop seems to give the most bang, double the velocity according to chronographs. Vaseline and a lot of it gives low velocity.
I've been air-gunning since the early 70's, known about dieseling with the HW Barracuda...It never occurred to me the fuel could be on the back of the pellet...MIND BLOWN! thanks for posting. ;)... oh I have a mod 130 no doubt I'll blow out the seals now! lol
Many years ago I read a book written by an English firearms expert.
He managed to get his hands on a .75 inch hunting airgun...from the 18th century.
It had a flask that you precharged and then the fitted to the gun.
It fired a round lead ball.
He discharged it in a room with the barrel parallel to the wall (with no lead projectile in the gun)
The blast of air from the muzzle stripped the wallpaper off the wall....
He researched and found that, in the age of gunpowder guns with their smoke discharges, this weapon had been used as a sniper weapon, and fired some 10 killing shots before a new flask had to be fitted...and of course, offered no clue as to where it was being fired.
Anyone found by "the enemy" using one of these was immediately executed..."Not fair, old sport".
Lewis and Clark
Had one .
Impressed the native Americans.
That's Cool . Good info .😊
Supposedly, the Lewis & Clark Expedition had an air rifle used to supply the men with fresh meat.....
Giardoni ;)
Learned all about Dieseling pellet guns here on TH-cam almost a decade ago.
Swear by it, although I have blown a seal or two over the years.
Generally an increase of between 25% to a third more power across the board.
Good times👍😁
" I have blown a seal or two over the years."
In the bay, or at the Circus?
WOW Sam! Put the pellet through the coconut and drink it all up. That was a way bigger difference than I expected. I don't know why this would be harmful to your gun but most rumors and legends have at least some truth in their history. Now we just need to keep the gun grabbers from seeing this, lol.
Harmful or not, oh well lol. Not my S&W's.
You'll eventually blow seals if you do it enough. That's okay. I keep oring kits from harbor freight at hand anyway. Lol.
@@joshuagibson2520 that's a myth. Some airguns will break WITHOUT the use of dieseling. I own a .22 RS 2 Sportsman series magnum- springer air rifle, from Crosman. In the owner's manual, it specifically says, "YOU MUST DIESEL THIS AIRGUN! Failure to do so can damage the air rifle, and void your warranty."
@@guardsmanom134 😂😂😂😂.
I've only done it a handful of times maybe. I haven't had any ill effects. I dont blame Crosman for that advice. Everyone should try it at least once. 😂😂😂
Op, gun grabbers have no power over airguns- they are specifically mentioned as historical weapons and as Military arms, by the Letters of the Federalist Papers. They were specifically instrumental in the Lewis and Clark Expedition, and are a National Heritage item. BATFE has acquiesced that they have ABSOLUTELY NO LEGAL SWAY over the Right to own and operate an airgun.
In other words, they can NEVER LEGALLY OR LAWFULLY legislate any airgun, EVER.
The sectional density of the pellet will be way lower than the .22 and the BC will also be way lower .It just goes to show how much its punching above its weight with this test . Great video.
A good side by side test. I am not surprised to see the dieseled pellet go deeper, you were between 30 and 50 percent faster. Speed kills, literally. It just shows you that the air rifle you use for varmits can be used for defensive needs if your desperate.
Thanks, and that's why I tried to hit home the pellet weight. If we went 40% faster with an 8 gr .177, this is nothing really. But doing it with a 48 gr pellet is like, well the extra is twice as powerful as some pellet rifles not to mention the start power is more than most. I own a typical .22/800 FPS springer that maxes out at 18 ft lbs, so three times the power of typical is not bad.
Any weapon can be used in self defence you wouldn't want to be hit by a pellet it hurts and stops you in your tracks for a few seconds would imagine a head or crotch shot would be insanely painful.
Nearly 40% increase!
That's significant. Good to know.
I enjoy watching other people do this, and I appreciate them sharing it like this. Because I like my guns too much to ruin them.
Yeah this will blow out your piston seal on a piston springer. The only time I've done it is after I've cleaned my barrel and it accidentally happened on my Hatsan 135 because there was enough of the solvent/oil in there to ignite/diesel.
dieseling with lighter fluid is extremely powerful, much more so than vasaline
I have been experimenting with dieseling pellets. I don't think that's what's happening. I think the vasoline or oil creates a seal around the pellet, because the barrel walls are not smooth, they have spiral grooves to spin the pellet. the vasoline is filling the gap, making a better seal, therefore more air pressure behind the pellet as it travels out of the barrel. there is NO diesel action. there is no where near enough compression to cause combustion, especially with vasoline or other high ignition point substance. I've even tried starter fluid, which is designed to ignite and is extremely flammable. ZERO results, because it's so thin, it leaks out around the pellet and doesn't change it's velocity. I've seen a ton of videos, and been doing three weeks of experiments myself. People are fooled into thinking there is combustion happening. That is NOT the case. it's ONLY a better seal around the pellet, and that's why vasoline works better than anything else. it's thick, and makes a perfect seal around the pellet. I'll be posting a video soon to PROVE there is ZERO combustion action pushing the pellet, it's ALL air, just a better seal which makes a HUGE difference in speed and velocity .
It's been 5 months. Still no video proof from you... Huh.
Have lots of extra seals on hand if you do this !
I just did this with my Hatsan 130 with some 30 year old 3 in 1 oil and no joke I got it to break the sound barrier it sounded like a full power rifle cartridge..that pellet was absolutely going 1150+ fps. It scared the shit out of me..
Very cool I seen from wtw think try it in .177 before. Very cool ide. Definitely took that .30 pellet gun up a notch in velocity. Very happy see it rip right tough the coconut 🥥 .
Thanks
I desieled H & N Hornet Rounds in the Hatsan Model 95 25Cal and the power was amazing and in some Ballistic Jell tests it went much further than the Hatsan 30cal !!!!!
Make sure you buy extra piston seals. The dieseling fries the seal.
Impressive for a pellet gun. I know some of the high end ones can really get down and absolutely be lethal. I know the AirForce Texan is a .45 Caliber air rifle capable of taking down medium sized game with ease so I'd have no doubt it could take down a man with a well placed shot. These .30 Caliber pellets would absolutely be something you wouldn't want being shot your way. I do question though how quickly it loses that velocity and how far away you'd need to be before the penetration would be less than lethal. I noticed you were shooting from fairly point blank ranges in the testing, so I wonder at 25 yards or 50 yards how much effect would it have even when dieseled.
As usual, Sam continues to deliver on subscribers’ questions and/or comments. Great job.
Thanks!
My friend put a Titan XS no.5 spring in a B19 .22, he also way over greased it so grease actually was coming out of the air transfer port. To his surprise it made a few 32 ft pound shots on the chrony, once it settled down it was consistently running at around 16 ft pounds, which was still too much for his countries laws so he had to go back to standard mainspring. But its safe to say that Dieseling can potentially double the muzzle energy. And in this video it went from 30 ft pound to 55 ft pound which is almost double.
Thanks a lot for this video, The best material to diesel the pellet is the Gun Oil you use on gun maintenance it would heat up faster produce much greater pressures.
This will not hurt you’re gun at all I shot 2000 rounds through a cheap Walmart Crossman pellet rifle it didn’t do anything at all but make it louder and apparently more powerful the less oil you use the better the results I suggest loading up one pallet filling the entire back of the pallet up with oil shoot it and after that you usually don’t need to add oil to the other pellets there will already be enough in there if it goes quiet or back to its normal sound do the process over again of filling up one pallet with oil
Thank you Sam! Cool video. I’m never too old to learn something new.
That's what I say; WOW. Good video man!
Thanks
I live in Wisconsin and as far as I can make out the law. Anything that fires a metal projectile by chemical propellants is classified a firearm. Now I'm not a lawyer, but thats how I understood it. It's nice to know that they haven't classified PCP powered rifles and hand guns that way. If you wanted to spend the money you can own a PCP machine gun without a license. I watched a review of a 30 cal. one.
One of the most interesting vlogs i have watched, many thanks for taking the time. That Hatsan packs a punch alright.
Funny, I just watched the beginning of this series and I actually mentioned it. I have never seen this channel before today, but it is really cool to get instant results from a suggestion 😀.
After watching this I totally love dieseling.
When I was a kid, I put actual diesel down the barrel of a Daisy red rider. The power increase was from not going through one wall of a tin can to going through that same one wall.
I am currently 74 years old. When I was 7 or 8 years old, I use to watch the "Big Kids" (13 or 14 years old) shoot rats at an old slaughterhouse with BB guns. I often wondered why they had a can of oil with them and were constantly oiling up their guns. All I know is that a head shot was a kill and a body shot usually crippled the rat until it could be put out of its misery. It took me 0ver 60 years to learn that trick. I guess you are never too old to learn. I'm going to see one of those "big kids" at our grandson's baseball games and I will ask him about it. Wonder if he knew it was called dieseling and where he learned to do it?
LOL Wow... had almost forgotten this trick. It's been over 40 years since I've dieseled a pellet gun, and it wasn't something I got to do regularly even back then. Couldn't do it with my own gun, which was a bolt action Crosman, so only tried it a few times with friends' air rifles. Always used to get good results at increasing penetration through cans etc. with our Canadian-detuned airguns (legal max. velocity
Thank you I had this rifle and returned it for lack of power ! But I am going to rebuy it because of your segment
Well, you must keep in mind that dieseling can break an airgun. SO I would not rely on this method.
Lack of power ? It's the most powerful break barrel in the world with it's 33 foot pounds of energy?.... What more could one want? Oh yes the accuracy , that's it , 😂
Eye opening experiment. Never thought of vaseline as a cieseling agent, for one. Seems to me a follow-up experiment might be indicated; namely accuracy. Would be interesting to see some 15 - 20 yard groups compared - dieseled and regular.
I did that in limited quantity in a test I did last week. t's still unreleased but from what I cold tell accuracy was the same.
I had that gun and after about 1000 shots, I used some "chamber lube", (a few drops in the compression chamber through the transfer port), and it went off like a rifle. After about another 100 shots, it lost 35fps. Could not get parts easily from hatsan, gave the gun away, now the cylinder went flat, (probably unrelated).
Cleaned the barrel of my Gamo magnum .22 Gen2 mag. Did not wipe off the breech face of grim because I did not see the grime under the magazine mechanism. Did not measure the power of either shot, (the .30 cal or the .22), but it went off like a .22 as I shot into a snowbank. I found the .22 pellet when the snow was melting, and I have a .22 JSB 18gr. pellet with a "caliper measured" .300" blown up diameter skirt. It is perfect, no other deformation or cracks. Looks like a fat lady is a big old ball room dress. We know the barrel will not allow the skirt to blow up like that, so it had to be the pressure left when the pellet left the muzzle that did it, probably with in about 1" from the muzzle.
Snow is great to shoot in. You can learn things from a pellet (and gun) that is only deformed from the gun.
Snow will deform the bullets... I had lot of fun shooting hollow point 9mm with a Glock at a snowman we made, made huge holes in it and the bullet was fully expended.
Very impressive test. I really want to get an air rifle, so I should thank you. I have a .22 cal pellet pistol so I’m looking to pair that up. It hard to believe even pellet guns are sold out these days.
yup, co2 BB pistols are now double to triple their price vs 1.5 years ago.
glad I got them when they were lots less expensive.
Crosman 1911BB with its 20 shot drop away clip (+480fps) can do some harm, but not fly through walls into a neighbors place. they'll penetrate 3-4" if they don't hit bone, and I keep BB's wet with ghost pepper oil. it'll probably start hurting a LOT in 2-3 seconds, might even put someone into shock, OH WELL! probably hard to run with a leg muscle burning and cramping, of course I want face shots, I'm sure its hard to see when your face is burning.. drop clip pop in 2nd one and 20 more rounds could be 40 hot BB's in the target.. if it doesn't have someone running and gone there's always using the advantage to stuff the muzzle into an eyeball to pull the trigger a bunch, filling a cranium with co2 just might stop someone...
"premeditated"? intruder shouldda thought about that word before coming in!
Many "recreational" items in every recreational industry are sold out and have problems delivering/producing.
Welcome to communism.
@@modelnutty6503 You need help.
@@markrainford1219 he may need help but then again WE ALL need help right about now. He just might have the right train of thought, all things concidered.
@@EarthSurferUSA communism? I'd like you to explain why the Covid supply chain issues are "communism".
wow i did this as a kid , not understanding what was actually happening. i thought i was just lubing the piston and getting a faster bullet. now this makes sense. time to break out the pellet guns and have some fun.
Vaseline is the best. I've been shooting airguns since 1980. Beeman Duel Caliber holds up the bedt for dieseling!
God Bless
Totally surprised by these test results. I never would have thought that adding some grease would increase the speed like that.
Not any grease, it must be something that burns because what gives it that velocity is combustion material exploding due to the high pressure and high temperature, in short "dieseling" explosion's.
It should be noted; the general accepted idea behind pellets of the JSB style dome design, are typically best/most accurate at around 830-850'ish FPS.
Dieseling is terrible for your gun
If you want that kind of energy on an air gun, just get a PCP. There is 22 and 25 caliber AirVenturi Avenger right around 300$, and you can get a high pressure air pump for right around 300$. You could try hand pump, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you plan on lower the pressure. Mine is running right at 53 Ft-lbs of energy, but I've seen a few tuned up towards 65-70ft-lbs. Its also whisper quiet once you put a can on it. There's also big bore stuff 30-357-40-45-50 cal stuff out there.
CCI 22 quiets are also a good option if you have a bolt action. if you try to use them in semi they may not cycle the action, and in revolvers the cylinder gap causes them to have a nice bag, which defeats the purpose.
Your advice probably should be noted to people serious about shooting a lot of rounds in a pellet gun with higher energy, but if we are talking between you and me, well this was just a fun "what if?" test that I wanted to do and would do regardless of whether I had better or not, so other people can see the "what if?". So, I agree that if someone wants that kind of power, they should go to something better, but as a youtuber personally I had not much more intention than to have some fun, knowing I might break the gun.
I see parallels to muzzle loading rifles where using a fabric patch increases velocity (and accuracy) quite substantially as well.
Dieseling is different, the vaseline is acting as propellant. Like a diesel engine that ignites its fuel from pressure instead of a spark, hence the name.
Cool video! I never knew dieseling your pellets was a thing.
Thanks!
I didn't either but found out 15-16 months ago, I'd been doing it all along!
I'd always been keeping my pellets wet with WD-40, the thought being the light oil helping skirt seal and barrel a little lubed too for a little more hit. didn't ever think about pressure actually detonating the oil stuff, just knew it worked better.
used penetrating oil a year ago to get a 177 pellet gun working again. anyway the first shot was loud. even had some smoke come out of the barrel. think the gun was 1000 fps without the oil. suprised me
Wasn't aware that this could be done Pretty impressive!!
Yeah it's a neat little thing, but always a cautious thing as pellet gun barrels are not heat treated rifle steel.
@@GunSam Are they rifled in the same manner as a firearm barrel? I’d be curious as to the comparisons of twist rates etc between them if they are.
@@Bodhi1satva They are rifled but to what extent i really can't say I'd be curious also to know. I've been shooting both air and powder rifles and pistols for well over 25 years and can honestly say I've never diesel anything before.
I'm shocked you said you couldn't get through the bologna. My .22 caliber break barrel can blast straight through a pack as thick as you had with no issue's. But regardless good info and good shooting.
@@jamesleary1405 your 22 probably has similar power with 30% less surface area leading to more penetration.
I've been shooting the same late fifties pellet pistol, 22 caliber, since my teens, and have frequently found it "dieseling" starting, having oiled the piston and cleaned it. I've never been able to show any reliable means such as was displayed here, I'm going to try the vaseline in mine, I use it to pack roller bearings in rebuilds, so I've got some in my shop, and see if it works for me as well. Thanks for sharing this, first time in a long time, I've seen or heard anything about it.
I dont think Vaseline will ignite under compression ..i might be wrong but my understanding of dieseling an air gun means to put diesel fuel in the chamber. That would be more sensible to me. putting oil or grease just ensures a tighter seal around the projectile as it is blown forward thru the rifle.
I have the same model hatsan and I really love it. I've also heard that this would ruin your gun so I never would. It is however interesting to see what it would do in a
.30 cal. So I really like shooting slugs through it and those would hold alot of Vaseline.
Those that have teste it say you get much better velocities with less Vaseline, it needs to be a good air fuel mixture to give good bang... So the right amount and not to much is better.
@@a64738 cool
Used to put a drop of gun oil in the back of the pellet when I was a kid. Get a nice crack , smoke and a smell. :P
Very cool test. Interesting. Not to be underestimated.
Thanks!
Try this with hopps gun oil. It’s the best of everything I’ve tried it can be a bit more than you want so try this on an older rifle with no scope attached because it will break things. What you wanna do is directly pour the oil in the tin with the pellets. Give it a good shake for about a minute. There will be a shockwave!! Also be careful!!
The best oil to use for dieseling is automatic transmission fluid I use it in my gamo shadow that normally shoots at 900 fps with lead pellets and 1200 with pba alloy pellets and with automatic transmission fluid it cracks like super sonic speed and will pop a rabbits eyeballs out of its head shot just under the ear canal
I dieseled pellets as a kid all the time and my uncle would tell me it just making more noise but depending on the air rifle used and the pellet you get some pretty interesting results
The oil on the pellet is causing an explosion due to the air pressure which gives more velocity but at the risk of destroying the air cylinder. Just be carefully you diesel a precharged pneumatic a lot more air pressure.
Learn something new every day. Up till now "dieseling" was just my car still running after I shut it off and remove the key. (You don't see that much anymore with the newer designed engines lol)
Yeah, and the old guys letting their car warm up to be safe, when they been safe to start and drive instantly for decades.
I had a .177 air rifle diesel on me a couple times. It was brand new and apparently had some residual oil in the chamber. Either way it was loud as heck indoors. Unfortunately .177 pellets lose all accuracy going supersonic. (never put your pellet trap on top of a cooler)
They say you get much better accuracy using slugs as they are much more stable at supersonic speeds then the pellets.
You could also experiment with packing the bases of the pellets with priming compound....really get into the "firearm" range of power.
Just to let you Know I used MMO oil on my carnivore .30 cal QE and the port where you stick your pellets can't handle but maybe 10 dieseled rounds before the barrel cracks and spits open. Yeah, If only they used better steal in these carnivores I think the seal would be fine it's the cheap steal they used. However, I am going to pump up my Gas RAm inside to 155 bar or maybe 160 and used those poly mags and let her ride. I already returned one gun cause I dieseled the heck out of it like 100 times and the port was screwed up badly. You'll get 700fps or more but the barrel can only handle around 650fps I think. I am just wanting the true 600 fps like it said it does with the poly mag. However, I only get 520fps and lower if I used other pellets. Poly mag gives you 50fps and with the extra bars in the gas ram piston I think I'll get another 50 or 100fps so getting pass that 600fps would be sweet. 750fps dieseling it just a little more then that barrel can take. This is making me go to PCP quicker now. lol
I suggest a drop of paraffin in the pellets, it will harden and stay. It's rocket fuel and the ignition is in the pellet.
Cor blimey. The power increase is Amazing.. I have couple of pump up american crossman air pistols.. Would it work in them. Might mess them up a..... Maybe you could do a demo on pump up air guns and differences in velocity with them... That would be cool... Greetings from the UK
Dieseling with diesel fuel gives good results, it would be interesting to see how it compares with wd40 or Vaporub.
You guys get some pretty cool airguns..I'm jelly. I have tried this with my .22..definitely works.
Used to play around with this back in the 1960's.
As a kid,put model airplane engine fuel,ether and oil in a .177 BSA break barrel. It would kick back the spring and auto load
If you use hard cast .22 bullets you will get more penetration because of smaller diameter, if the shape changed and became wider you get less penetration like hollow point bullet.
Smaller diameter = more penetration
Marvel Mystery Oil. Two drops in the tube, one behind the skirt. Have an oil Beeman .177 made in Spain probably shot a couple thousand rounds and still going. Seems to me greater quantity of oil increases velocity at expense of accuracy.
Im going to try stp grease in myne when I recieve hahaha so cool man thanks for the teaching. Tried on .22 while out and about but waitin on 30
7 inches is definitely lethal. Because I see some 380 acp hollow go 7 inches sometimes and I would definitely consider a 380 acp to be lethal
All you have to do is is rub some Remington oil on your fingertip, as you put the pallet in. It will do the same thing. This will break your trigger with that gun shooting with any type of dieseling. I have done it over, and over again. Hatsan will fix it, good luck getting them on the phone!
if it broke i'd throw it away lol. I bought it for $240 and made over 2k in ad revenue just by having people watch these videos.
Good show l love your test stands. I’ve seen this technique before it is as you say amazing.
Remember the old saying-If you can see the target, the target can see you!
Thanks for your hard work and time for these videos.
Thanks for watching!
When I do this with my .177 break barrel it breaks the sound barrier and cracks like a .22LR. I discovered it by mistake when I first got a break barrel. I didn't know not to use petroleum-based lubes.
I did this also many years ago, and I also discovered that it's too much for a .177 gr. I say this as I used to stand atop my river bank and shoot about 100 yards away into the stream, and while the non dieseled pellets made a splash, often times nothing hit the water with the dieseled. Almost like it vaporized the pellets, or at least broke off the skirts.
@@GunSam 😂😂😂
indeed. It makes them fly very wildly. Diabolo shaped pellets don't fly very true past about 950 fps. They destabilize horribly when coming back through transonic. Most of the EBR airgun shooters typically tune for 870-930 fps.
@@GunSam you're right though I could see it disintegrating the skirts. I've never recovered one to know for sure. May just have to try that today. Lol. Take care man...
@@GunSam
It also can expand the skirt violently, smearing the soft lead up the barrel...so use a cleaning rod after every few shots...otherwise the barrel "leading" continues and the bore squeezes down more and more...this also affects accuracy...maybe why you didn't see splashes???
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk heyyyyy. Is this the same John from the Origin owners group?
When we were kids we noticed that if we put a drop of 3in1 oil in the pellet gun it was special. lol.
So you're in Michigan eh?. That is some seriously prime looking white tail habitat you got there, assuming you're shooting on your own place. Nice. Regarding dieseling damage, though I've shot my air rifles for some sixty years now, I've never lost a seal do to dieseling, or an air rifle mechanism for that matter. I've had a couple(seals that is) die do to 'old age' but that's it. Course my guns range from the old Benjamin and Sheridan pumps to the Diana, the RWS Diana 52 side cocker (still the most accurate air rifle I've ever been around, shot it against the competition Feinwerkbau (sp?) 300 waaaay back in the day (1960's I believe) and the 52 more than held its own :), I've even got a very good ('tuned) Crossman Storm XT i think its called which has held up just fine and with the light colored wooden stock is a rather striking looking airgun itself. Got a few Ruger's, a Benji Nitro 'gas piston gun, a winchester magnum .22 break barrel primarily used for rough and tumble field pest control, and then my Benji 'big boy', a 'warmed over' very physically imposing break barrel with a truly magnificent scope, sculptured walnut thumb hole stock, and some serious 'down' range power; I've killed coyote's with that thing, but you need to be either a naturally, fairly 'stout' fellow or a chest/arm related athlete to shoot it more than a few times in a session. I don't shoot the std Crossman .22's in this thing but the big, nasty euro 'heavy' stuff to keep the velocity below sound barrier. Throw in a few pistols, mostly pumps, and that about rounds out my air gun battery. But again, except for the aged seal issue, never had a problem with the intermittent dieseling breaking anything (knock on walnut:).
I’m thinking the pellets aren’t dieseling. If they were you’d hear a louder “crack” when fired. I’m thinking the Vaseline is causing the rear of the pellet to expand more and seal inside the barrel better. It’s possible the added weight is helping also. I could be wrong but my pellet gun has a way different reaction when it diesels.
Hi I guess Yt's infamous algorithmdoing its thing & putting you at the bottom of my to watch list. I am of the opinion .25 is the most efficient airgun calibre for general/small game use. I never owned any airgun bigger than .22 though. I would like to see you do this test with a .25 calibre version. I also think dieselling is more efficient when using the heavier (for bore) pellets. I am going by reckoning so I could be wrong. I wish you a belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year also to your friends, family, & loved ones.
You should try Vix Vaporub. It is a petroleum base with menthol. I was getting supersonic speeds with a .22 break barrel air rifle. The rifle was rated at 700fps with stock 20 grain pellets.
Thank you for the effort.
I suppose technically a dieseling air rifle is a hybrid between an air gun and a firearm as you are actually using, partly,an explosion to propel the pellet?I had a .177 air rifle years ago,a Gecado 27, and I use to put Vaseline in the chamber.the first shot was weak as it spread the Vaseline up the chamber but the next 3 used to make a supersonic crack as they came out of it!if I recall WD-40 use to go off with a bang too but some oils didn't produce the desired result.the nearest parallel to to this concept in a way is the Daisy VL rifle.i'd guess dieseling doubles the velocity based on my Gecado 27 but does it damage the gun and is there a chance of an explosion obviously unknowns until it happens!
Hey same that was a very informative video. After I bought my fist 22 at age 12 I totally lost interest in air guns. I had never heard of diesel your pellets before and the results were very significant. It has peaked my interest into using air guns for small game especially seeing that coconut knowing how soft pellets are and how hard coconuts are that really was impressive. Like I said I lost interest in air guns long ago and almost skipped this one glad I didn't. Thanks again and as always you make learning fun seriously.
I'm sure you are aware that using chains would make your gong from flipping and that they make a t post hanger so it doesn't move at all but does ring really loud. Not sure if that would be good for a video but might make your shooting a lot more fun. The hanger has a spring on it so the bullets don't come strait back but are deflected down.
I just used straps as they are cheap and I wasn't sure what distance I was setting my posts. Of course the one bullet that hit a strap was a .44 wadcutter straight on, the last one you want to hit a strap. Replaced it, no big deal.
This was a great video.
Very impressive. If I used vasoline on my 16 grain H&N hornet pellets that I shoot from my Diana model 34 classic .22 air rifle I could probably increase the velocity from about 650 feet per second to about 850 feet per second and go up from about 15 foot pounds of energy to over 25 foot pounds of energy or more. Maybe close to 30 foot pounds of energy. I was looking at the hatsan.30 caliber break barrel on pyramyd air and it was available recently but the .30 caliber pellets aren’t. I used to.have a Diana 350 magnum .22 and my main issue with it that caused me to sell it and get the model 34 classic was the difficult cocking effort which this .30 caliber also has. It makes me so plumb tuckered out after a few shots and throws off my accuracy. I do better with a lighter 35 pound cocking effort. Plus the light 3 pound T06 trigger on my gun is so great too and for me accuracy is more important than power because I’m more of a plinker as can be seen on my shooting videos on my channel
Dang..that is definitely lethal! Now if you could just find some .30 cal pellets with extra long skirts on them to put even more Vaseline inside of.. Wow the possibilities!
Bet this guy could do a great impression of Jeff Goldblum. Sounds like him a bit.
You have a radio voice. Good video thanks man