It's incredibly expensive, but it looks like a decent kit. For that price however, I really would like to have flap controls and gear leaver somewhere. If I'm spending that amount of money on a HOTAS, I don't want to have to make any compromises. Not having flaps and a gear leaver means that some compromises will have to be made. Not that I have the money for this toy in the foreseeable future, but perhaps a second or third iteration of it could be a possibility.
Winwing have a combat and takeoff panel that has a full size gesr lever and flap switch, I have both of them and have just ordered the super taurus throttle
Made in China under the supervision and Control of the CCP, same people that didn't say anything about that un-named thing. Oh and let's not forget, same people that harvest organs from people they kill to sell in the black market. Falong Gong.
Using the extension is really recommended if you can make it work / fit. I use an extension on my Warthog, and it made such an enormous difference in flying. The extra leverage lets you be so very precise; which really helps with helicopter flying where you are constantly making tiny but precise movements. Looks really impressive! If I was building a home cockpit sort of thing, I'd be very interested in this kit.
It's pretty good, I should have also mentioned construction but I can go back over that in the review. It's all metal and hard plastics for the most part. Internals are all metal as well with the gambol being almost a block of aluminium.
@@MagzGTV Comes really close to (or even is) Virpil's quality level then. I have had a look at the site and it is quite expensive. Don't think they sell the throttle and joystick separately, at least only found the full HOTAS kit.
step 1 : work overtime to buy that thing step 2: buy a good wood table or build one step 3 : mesure,drill,cut and mount everything like you want step 4: ? step 5: profits thats what I would do
Oh it's not done with yet, But it's usually sitting on it's mount right where the Winwing throttle is. Cant have two mounted at the same time. . . well not until I get a bigger desk that is.
Right before you made the comments about the mount I thought, boy those mounts are so small, that will rip the top off my desk. A trip to Home Depot (or your equivalent home improvement/hardware store) will get some pieces of sheet metal to make some pads to distribute the load a bit.
That's unsurprising, the Thrustmaster TWCS throttle grip is a copy of the F/A-18 Throttle grip just designed for a single engine axis. This is a replica of the F/A-18 throttle grip in it's full twin axis setup, Both units are based on the same aircraft.
The Warthog throttle toggle switch is weaker because it was modified for less resistance so you can flip it with your pinky finger more easily. It's the same quality switch as the others on the throttle base
If you haven't already, please do a review of how well this stick works with DCS helicopters. The DCS rotary wing community would appreciate it. A lot!
Just thinking about your desk and the mounts, have you thought of placing a spacer (Wood or Metal) between the mount clamps to make the attachment to the desk more stable, just an idea.
That’s a really fantastic HOTAS system you’ve got. I have X45+ Logitech Pro Pedals. I was looking at the HOTAS WARTHOG and the VIRPIL HOTAS Constellation Alpha R I might be safest going with the X-56 Rhino, but it’s cheaply made. I wish Logitech would come out with a better version of it.
One day when the USAF is done with their F-16s there going to be a good market in second hand cockpits. Half a mill a piece, but imagine that in your bedroom..... erm house!
Not sold on the stick/gimbal at all, really unfortunate that Winwing is vehemently opposed to selling the throttle standalone. Would have already preordered, and I don't think I am alone in this sentement.
It's about $1,000 for this HOTAS, yet except for a cool looking switch panel and a few more toggle/on-off switches, it has less functionality, no Mode switch, only 2 rotaries (vs 4 on X56 + the 2-axis rotating switch on the end of the left throttle lever), and less capability than my X56 that cost $289. The Virpil HOTAS is $3-400 less, has the same basic mechanics, better functionality on the Throttle and more hat switches on both throttle and stick. Sorry Winwing, I'm going with Virpil.
does the throttle have Neutral detents? If I'm not clear with this question; does it make a click or some sort of tactile feedback when you enter the throttle neutral position? I'm looking to get a throttle / stick system for Elite Dangerous, however, this detents feedback is something I'm looking for, especially for $900+! Thank you!
Now its kind of missing only right side of the F/A 18 panel switches (battery switches) to complete a proper launching and rudder pedals which reach us nearly up to 2000 USD to enjoy a flight. Im just wondering how much its effect if you playing in VR, maybe its only enough of basic Hotas.
Thrustmaster? Thrustmaster who? I don't care about the price, finally we're getting products that match our sims! Anyone know if we'll see a Viper stick and throttle? That would be MINT
Throttle looks awesome but why are the battery panels there? I totally would buy this throttle... But now it wouldn't fit in my pit cause of the panel extension in the front.... The stick looks like less quality of the TM fa 18 hotas
hello.I am thinking of taking it too.are you satisfied.I like the joystick to be hard.what are your thoughts on this subject..with extension rod is it getting soft.
Holy fuck Batman! It costs about a grand! I know I've spent a good bit on flight SIM kit but damn. This is either foolish or the greatest thing ever though.
I was going to say the same thing but then I did some calc's. If you count up everything that this comes with and by 1 for 1 equivalent of the Virpil site so Base, Stick, Throttle, mounts and spares it was going to cost me €150+ more than this hotas if I could actually get the parts in stock which I haven't been able to for months. I'm going to wait for the tear down so I can see the internals but I'm considering it.
It's tension annoys me badly.. it's a great stick but dayum it has way too much tension it flicks back super hard if you release it.. you actually have to constantly fight the tension...
If this is 500usd and assembled then I will consider it. Otherwise I would rather buy 2 warthog setups. My first one is fine after 2 years of heavy use.
Hardly the worst, 5 years and still going strong. My CH products pedals failed in half that time, the only logitechs Ive ever used stopped working even faster than that and while I did test a set of MFG Crosswinds they sadly don't fit in my simpit even on the narrowest setting. Also. . . this $900 on this set is nothing compared to what I have spent on flight sim gear over the years, my current joystick is 600 alone without a throttle.
As is your phone, the screen youre staring at, the cpu and gpu the phone/pc youre writing this comment with is working with, and just about everything else electronic. What a non-argument.
@@Spicysauced Don't forget the Thrustmaster warthog, T16k, TWCS throttle and the rest of the TM range, The Logitech X56, VKB Gladiator (and possibly the gunfighter as well) are also made in China. :)
@@Nephilium83 Exactly. Also, your monitor, your PC, your keyboard, mouse, phone, chair, light bulbs, pen, cat litter box, ad infinitum. The Chinese will make things to the quality the vendor will specify. If they specify "as inexpensive as possible" they will do that. If you say "durable enough for extended commercial use" or "must meet FAA TSO standard XXX.XXX" they will do that as well, but don't expect what are essentially toys to be in that league unless you wish to pay for it.
Please keep politics out of gaming mate. Winwing is a company, that have made a product for the simulation market and as a simulation channel I am taking a look at that product. I have no interest in involving this channel in the politics of china any more than I would want to involve myself in the politics of Russia and there actions by playing DCS world (yes, remember Eagle dynamics home offices are in Moscow).
![WinWing Hotas First Impressions: Super Libra, Super Taurus and F/a-18c [Discontinued]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Sodp4K3BOQs/mqdefault.jpg)
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It's incredibly expensive, but it looks like a decent kit.
For that price however, I really would like to have flap controls and gear leaver somewhere. If I'm spending that amount of money on a HOTAS, I don't want to have to make any compromises. Not having flaps and a gear leaver means that some compromises will have to be made.
Not that I have the money for this toy in the foreseeable future, but perhaps a second or third iteration of it could be a possibility.
Winwing have a combat and takeoff panel that has a full size gesr lever and flap switch, I have both of them and have just ordered the super taurus throttle
Oh hey that looks nice! Let's see how I can get on with buying on- oh it's a thousand dollars american. Oh.
yeah I was actually looking for the cost, and then came across your message. I guess I will stay with my x56 hotas.
*cries*
@@Mallchad My 21 year old Cyborg 3-D is laughing, or maybe it's crying that I won't let it retire...
Ima stick with my TCS T.16000M tyvm...
Made in China under the supervision and Control of the CCP, same people that didn't say anything about that un-named thing. Oh and let's not forget, same people that harvest organs from people they kill to sell in the black market. Falong Gong.
the Dude has a 83k subscriber youtube channel from the desk in the spare bedroom. Respect.
Using the extension is really recommended if you can make it work / fit. I use an extension on my Warthog, and it made such an enormous difference in flying. The extra leverage lets you be so very precise; which really helps with helicopter flying where you are constantly making tiny but precise movements.
Looks really impressive! If I was building a home cockpit sort of thing, I'd be very interested in this kit.
That looks pretty nice and high quality, would definitely want to pick that throttle up.
It's pretty good, I should have also mentioned construction but I can go back over that in the review. It's all metal and hard plastics for the most part. Internals are all metal as well with the gambol being almost a block of aluminium.
@@MagzGTV Comes really close to (or even is) Virpil's quality level then. I have had a look at the site and it is quite expensive. Don't think they sell the throttle and joystick separately, at least only found the full HOTAS kit.
@@Toucat Throttler can't be bought alone. They thought no one would want it so they only sell the whole HOTAS.
they now sell everything separately but it's sold out ...
Looked cool, looked it up, saw the price....you know...my 3 year old X-55 is working pretty good.
Seems to me, you could cut a piece of wood to length, and put underneath the throttle quadrant for support.
Jesus, that thing's a beast. Honestly, looks like a sim-bin only bit of kit, forget desk use.
step 1 : work overtime to buy that thing
step 2: buy a good wood table or build one
step 3 : mesure,drill,cut and mount everything like you want
step 4: ?
step 5: profits
thats what I would do
@@MrLuckyluke187 guess what, I did it. Worked close to 60 hours of overtime for it :)
Every fighter pilots nightmare ... a 4 year old.
Great review. This will HOTAS will definitely satisfy my button needs!
I like how Warthog throttle is on the bed, make way for the shiny new toy !
Oh it's not done with yet, But it's usually sitting on it's mount right where the Winwing throttle is. Cant have two mounted at the same time. . . well not until I get a bigger desk that is.
@@MagzGTV You should invest in a better , more solid desk IMO
Looks like a good system! Sorry about the kids, hope they get better soon! Thanks Magz!
Right before you made the comments about the mount I thought, boy those mounts are so small, that will rip the top off my desk. A trip to Home Depot (or your equivalent home improvement/hardware store) will get some pieces of sheet metal to make some pads to distribute the load a bit.
18:10 This whole part looks like Thrustmaster TWCS throttle.
That's unsurprising, the Thrustmaster TWCS throttle grip is a copy of the F/A-18 Throttle grip just designed for a single engine axis. This is a replica of the F/A-18 throttle grip in it's full twin axis setup, Both units are based on the same aircraft.
The Warthog throttle toggle switch is weaker because it was modified for less resistance so you can flip it with your pinky finger more easily. It's the same quality switch as the others on the throttle base
If you haven't already, please do a review of how well this stick works with DCS helicopters. The DCS rotary wing community would appreciate it. A lot!
Damn, there's some pretty serious engineering going on there. Looking forward to seeing how you get on with it mate
You should checkout their "Lessons Learned" video during the design and engineering phase. Very interesting.
'Just a bit of friction from the box'
Channelling a bit of Laobi there Mags!
Just thinking about your desk and the mounts, have you thought of placing a spacer (Wood or Metal) between the mount clamps to make the attachment to the desk more stable, just an idea.
I bet the price on this thing will be absolutely terrifying.
That’s a really fantastic HOTAS system you’ve got.
I have X45+ Logitech Pro Pedals.
I was looking at the HOTAS WARTHOG and the VIRPIL HOTAS Constellation Alpha R
I might be safest going with the X-56 Rhino, but it’s cheaply made.
I wish Logitech would come out with a better version of it.
Super Libra...lol. For those heavy flow days lmao.
Side note, best wishes for a quick recovery for your kids.
One day when the USAF is done with their F-16s there going to be a good market in second hand cockpits. Half a mill a piece, but imagine that in your bedroom..... erm house!
Looks very nice. I have to think about getting one of these.
Looks really good. Looking forward to your review.
Not sold on the stick/gimbal at all, really unfortunate that Winwing is vehemently opposed to selling the throttle standalone. Would have already preordered, and I don't think I am alone in this sentement.
I waiting mine, I'm so excited!
It's about $1,000 for this HOTAS, yet except for a cool looking switch panel and a few more toggle/on-off switches, it has less functionality, no Mode switch, only 2 rotaries (vs 4 on X56 + the 2-axis rotating switch on the end of the left throttle lever), and less capability than my X56 that cost $289. The Virpil HOTAS is $3-400 less, has the same basic mechanics, better functionality on the Throttle and more hat switches on both throttle and stick. Sorry Winwing, I'm going with Virpil.
does the throttle have Neutral detents? If I'm not clear with this question; does it make a click or some sort of tactile feedback when you enter the throttle neutral position? I'm looking to get a throttle / stick system for Elite Dangerous, however, this detents feedback is something I'm looking for, especially for $900+! Thank you!
Well I know where my income tax check is going lol
Now its kind of missing only right side of the F/A 18 panel switches (battery switches) to complete a proper launching and rudder pedals which reach us nearly up to 2000 USD to enjoy a flight. Im just wondering how much its effect if you playing in VR, maybe its only enough of basic Hotas.
What a little cute stick
Once Winwing sells you the product, you never hear back from them. I complained about several issues and NEVER heard back. Stay clear...
Cant wait to see you use it.
Will there be a 2.0 version coming out anytime in the foreseeable future?
Now you can do more dive bombing with the F-18 in a heavily defended airspace at 180kts
Thrustmaster? Thrustmaster who? I don't care about the price, finally we're getting products that match our sims!
Anyone know if we'll see a Viper stick and throttle? That would be MINT
the a10 stick is quite similar to the f16 stick
SkakaMJ0lk
Have you looked for a used Cougar!
TM did that in 2002: Cougar HOTAS
Im not sure but from what ive heard , its a work in progress
You know a Tripod might come in handy. Least you could use both hands. Just a thought like.
Throttle looks awesome but why are the battery panels there?
I totally would buy this throttle... But now it wouldn't fit in my pit cause of the panel extension in the front....
The stick looks like less quality of the TM fa 18 hotas
hello.I am thinking of taking it too.are you satisfied.I like the joystick to be hard.what are your thoughts on this subject..with extension rod is it getting soft.
You should do any mechanical unboxing without using any manuals. 👌
worth it for that antenna elev wheel alone
godDAM have i been waiting for a proper implementation of that..........
Jezz this is even better, do you know if they accept my kidney as a down payment and the rest financed to 10 years?
Holy fuck Batman! It costs about a grand! I know I've spent a good bit on flight SIM kit but damn. This is either foolish or the greatest thing ever though.
Any idea on price for the UK Market? I can't/don't want to believe the £1k.
would you recommend this one over the thrustmaster Horta's
Hello 👋, Where do I buy?
I hope the kids get better soon bud. It's never fun when kids get sick.
Helicopters, eh? Does anybody make a sim version of a collective control?
Yep, there are a couple. Virpil is working on one at the moment I think.
Is there anywhere to buy it I found sight but not in us and it’s shutdown
Looks awesome!
$900+ yikes....
Quality = more money , there are plenty of cheap options already
For some reason, can't even get to the WinWing website. are they having issues?
Does it work with Elite without a fuss?
is the stick 1:1 realistic size??
How much for all that?
i wonder how you program it
does it come with its own software?
Yes it comes with it's own software.
You should review a vacuum cleaner next
it's called dating show
For that money I would go with Virpil or VKB.
I was going to say the same thing but then I did some calc's. If you count up everything that this comes with and by 1 for 1 equivalent of the Virpil site so Base, Stick, Throttle, mounts and spares it was going to cost me €150+ more than this hotas if I could actually get the parts in stock which I haven't been able to for months.
I'm going to wait for the tear down so I can see the internals but I'm considering it.
@@Nephilium83 yeah I just trust the folks hand making them up in the Baltic states a lot of then the Chinese for that sort of money.
@@emknight84 I thought VKB manufacturer was in China
@@bretharv0213 Yeah they are unfortunately
family reveal?
Wow a joystick with an actual smooth tension. I really don't like the stiffness of the T16000.
It's tension annoys me badly.. it's a great stick but dayum it has way too much tension it flicks back super hard if you release it.. you actually have to constantly fight the tension...
guessing that's a bit of overkill for War Thunder
Yeah just a little
Second damn Haha. Magz love your content, enjoyed it for several years. Hope you enjoy that new Hotas.
Imagine buying a $1000 hotas and not buying rudder pedals. Jesus christ.
If this is 500usd and assembled then I will consider it. Otherwise I would rather buy 2 warthog setups. My first one is fine after 2 years of heavy use.
899$+
I need this
An American flight stick and throttle made in China... that's comedically fitting.
U hope your loin fruits feel better soon.
"zed axis"
lol
Zed's dead, Baby.
@@W4lkerWings - HA! yessssss : )
all that and you cant afford a decent monitor?
Meh ? I'd prefer a boulton Paul Defiant turret setup. Cocking 4 X 303s would be cool. And using the first joy-stick would be unique.
wow
$1000? Peace out
Why don't you invest in a tripod 👎
zeeeee not zed for fucks sake
China you say?
Get a proper desk instead? :P
Spends $900 plus on this but used the worse rudder pedals ever.
Hardly the worst, 5 years and still going strong. My CH products pedals failed in half that time, the only logitechs Ive ever used stopped working even faster than that and while I did test a set of MFG Crosswinds they sadly don't fit in my simpit even on the narrowest setting. Also. . . this $900 on this set is nothing compared to what I have spent on flight sim gear over the years, my current joystick is 600 alone without a throttle.
That's one sexy toy. Give away? :3
first?
It's made in China. Therefore the best you can hope for is that it lasts the warranty period before breaking.
As is your phone, the screen youre staring at, the cpu and gpu the phone/pc youre writing this comment with is working with, and just about everything else electronic.
What a non-argument.
@@Spicysauced Don't forget the Thrustmaster warthog, T16k, TWCS throttle and the rest of the TM range, The Logitech X56, VKB Gladiator (and possibly the gunfighter as well) are also made in China. :)
@@colderwar Thanks for the kind words, random internet bitch.
@@Nephilium83 Exactly. Also, your monitor, your PC, your keyboard, mouse, phone, chair, light bulbs, pen, cat litter box, ad infinitum. The Chinese will make things to the quality the vendor will specify. If they specify "as inexpensive as possible" they will do that. If you say "durable enough for extended commercial use" or "must meet FAA TSO standard XXX.XXX" they will do that as well, but don't expect what are essentially toys to be in that league unless you wish to pay for it.
@@colderwar And who cares what you think? I'm betting your poor and jealous?
oh god plz dont sellout to china too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please keep politics out of gaming mate.
Winwing is a company, that have made a product for the simulation market and as a simulation channel I am taking a look at that product.
I have no interest in involving this channel in the politics of china any more than I would want to involve myself in the politics of Russia and there actions by playing DCS world (yes, remember Eagle dynamics home offices are in Moscow).