BLACK people NEED to SEPARATE . . . A BIT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- BLACK people need to separate . . . a bit.
This week, writer and social commentator Ada Akpala and I continue where we left off, this time with Ada suggesting that the time has come to "separate blackness." She has some pretty solid arguments as to why there needs to be a separation. I seriously encourage you to watch all the way to the end.
To learn more about Ada, be sure to watch her channel, @adaakpala
To learn more about Patience Xina, check her out @PatienceXina She and Ada had an incredible conversation as well. They are both amazing women to follow.
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i think black people outside africa forget africa is not a country. it is a continent just like europe. with multiple nations, ethnic groups. and cultures begin a colour does not make you a group. there is not a white community or a black one. just people.
Well said. There are black and white populations but not communities (except very tiny ones).
Or Latinos.
So well said! And not different races but just the HUMAN RACE.
All white people have come together to maintain white supremacy.
@@bushwacka5187All white people come together to maintain white supremacy.
I agree with Ada. Honestly, the moment i separated myself from the"black community" I was happier because my values don't align with the toxic values within it. That doesn't mean I haven't found black, brown, and white role models that hold my values that have existed throughout history, but those were my choice and had nothing to do with their color. I am not part of any group because of shared struggle, especially since that struggle happened to our ancestors, not us.
You talk like there is no current black struggle.
@@Rosannasfriend as I said I have found black role models that have my values. They just happened to not associate with the “black community” of today. That doesn’t mean they aren’t alive.
Same.
@@RosannasfriendThe Black struggle is within.
This will go over many many heads lol 🤷🏾♂️
I agree. My mother (Jamaican) was a director RN for 30 years and the African nurses gave her the most trouble. They disliked following her orders, but when a white woman told them to do something they hoped to it. My Mother was a person who was given the worst nursing homes in the Bay Area and turned them into successful care facilities. She had a track record of success.
I noticed it in school, yes there were black kids, but you had the hood black kids, the African black kids, the Caribbean black kids, and the upper class black kids. But we all got grouped together and meant to relate to one another and a one dimensional story of the hustle and grind.
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. I had a similar experience. While it was just one guy. I think its telling given the overall narrative that exists between Black and African relations.
When i was in Germany and excelling in German class. The other European nationals were given me compliments and were kind and had no problem asking me for help.
But this African man was filled with so much spite. And he became so disgusted with me. Even when I tried to help him or offer advice for his work. It’s like he didn’t see me as a fellow brother but as someone he had to compete and beat.
Of course I don’t believe in that belief that we are brothers simply because of our skin tone. So I wasn’t surprised in the slightest. But it is disappointing to witness.
My working experiences with African people especially Nigerians are they do seem to believe they are better than foundational black Americans but they see white people as Gods
@@mysterybox9250hm. It seems Africans need to do better, then.
Wow
Delineation is the only separation we need to do. Every black ethnicity has their own stories! The term “Black” is too VAGUE and does not help! It’s time for all melanated people to fight for themselves!
All of us people are "melanated" as you say. The only ones who aren't are albinos who are, by the way, present in every race in the human family.
Am Jamaican and married to a Nigerian 'tiger mum', we take pride and n doing the hard things and succeeding! My mother inlaw in her younger days of the British empire was a whirlwind!
*i am
So the global scammers take pride n doing the hard things? 🤣
Hi, im a new subscriber. I'm a political migrant from Russia, just want to say that I love USA exactly because of honest, brave, smart and kind people like you. Thank you for your work, can't wait to become a part of your great nation.
As an American born black man the most liberating thing for me was seeing other Black people on TH-cam who were free thinkers and encouraged other blacks to be free thinkers and leave behind the hive mind mentality. Growing up in a fatherless household and in New York City which is a very liberal city you get conditioned to think that because your skin is dark you are at a disadvantage in life. I used to walk around with a lot of self hate, and I used to think white people were racist despite never having a racist encounter with anyone. Are there racist people in the world sure, but in my 26 years of life, I’ve gotten treated poorly by other black folks more than I’ve gotten treated bad by whites.
What I hope to see in the future is more black boys growing up to be responsible black men and black girls growing up to be proper responsible black women. We need to stop thinking the world is against us, and enough with the excuses. The only reason why a majority of black folks are in the conditions they are in is because they put themselves there and even when we know better we don’t do better. I want to see more good fathers present and raising their kids because that is one of the main causes of the dysfunction we see. Broken families only equal broken communities. Fix the family structure and the value system and the community will improve. Great video as always and I look forward to the next conversation.
White people don’t need anything from black people PERIOD
👏👏👏 Facts!!
AMEN 🙏🏾 😊
The flip side of that is as a white person I'm tired of being told that because of my SKIN COLOR I am responsible for all the problems of a group of people with different skin color than me. It's ridiculous. I am not responsible for it, my parents are not responsible for it, my grandparents are not responsible for it, my great grandparents are not responsible for it, enough! Time for all Americans to drop all this BS we are *clearly* being divided one purpose and it is making everyone miserable and hateful. Thank you for seeing the truth
We are the most obese race. Our children are the least literate. We score the lowest in school. Black males are less likely to remain in the household. None of these things can be excused by socioeconomics. It’s all baked into our culture. Once you look at this objectively, you realize there’s no excuse and we are the weakest link in our country. Yes, slavery happened, but Asians didn’t get a head start. Hispanics didn’t get a head start. Jewish people didn’t get a head start. The ‘60s was for all of us. Finally, minority groups had careers and laws protecting our prosperity. And we’re still behind! Today, there is racism, but there is no real oppression. If races were teams, we’re at the bottom of our division EVERY SINGLE year! And it’s embarrassing… some of us are pulling our weight, just as many are dead weight. Best not to identify with the community as a whole and focus on your family and friends.
I agree we are not a monolith like people believe we are.
We should've seperated a while ago, not all of us are hooligans.
@@applefarm6126 💯
There are several facts that can be cited, here. At the end of the day, every other group form alliances against blk folk based on color.
Agreed. Even "black" Americans are not all the same. There is a class difference. There are regional differences. The list goes on.
As a visually Black American (Asian mixed) I studied abroad in Germany to study the German language and complete my degree. In German class there was a guy from Eritrea. At first, we had good relations.. however when he realized I was excelling and was the top of the class amongst everyone else he started to become spiteful.
He then began to ignore me when I said hello. And when I was speaking German in class (which was a must) and he didn’t understand he would look at me angrily and say “stop trying to show off”.
And lastly towards the end for our final, the professor said bringing headphones was NOT necessary. Yet i was only one who didnt bring one. So when the instructor played the audio guess who gave me a problem?
This is where I put my footdown. No more kindness. Basically told him to shut his bleeping mouth. So of course, we are not a monolith. Jusy because we have the same or similar skin tone doesn’t mean we are the same. I think its telling me that other European nationals would give me praise and treat me with kindness when I didnt even ask for it while the man from Eritrea was filled with spite.
The lord revealed to me that a lot of “black” men are jealous of “black woke” it’s completely demonic
They think men are better than women lol.
@@nikicarrie4071 also MANY WANT to be pets to wytes 🙄🤮
I loved both videos! Within the recent years I just came out of that trap of a defeatist mindset within this country. It can cause you to live in a victim mindset which seems to be nurtured here in the U.S., and now I’m starting to think it’s designed that way on purpose to keep people dependent and entitled. I can’t stay in a place of negativity or “woe is me” (not making light of struggle) for a long time and thought that operating differently, growth mindset more so, would cause others to make me feel bad because as a black person, I’m supposed to be angry all of the time and blame people for things. It has been the most liberating feeling ever and I’m now unapologetic about how I operate and also unapologetic about not wanting to deal with the degenerate behavior within our communities and being held accountable. I hope we can keep the conversation going!
Being a first generation Nigerian-American myself, I can attest to what Ada says. I was always instilled with the idea that I can do anything despite my skin color. My dad is an engineer and my mom's a nurse. They actually came to America with just high school diplomas. If they didn't instill the idea of work ethic and overcoming adversity, I wouldn't have the level of success I do (working in a tech and being able to live in a one-bedroom apartment in a major city). Funnily enough, most people can't pronounce my government name on the first try, and these white-collar spaces still let me in because of my qualifications.
Keep shining and making yourself and your folks proud. You are doing well. I am so proud of the exploits of many Nigerian-Americans such as yourself.
And this is why people from the continent are kicking our behinds. We should be embarrassed that people who are just arriving here are doing better than us.
Why are folks in your country bleaching their skin and allowing others (indians, asians, and etc) run your country. Why are you not trying to help Nigeria?
@@robertlunderwood Yeah, unfortunately a lot of Black Americans have that victim mentality
@@robertlunderwoodWe should be out raged.
Just had to support my fellow 🇧🇸sister!!
Wowwwwwww!!!! Thank you so much, babes. Man, I appreciate that so much. God bless you. I pray it comes back to you tenfold. I mean dat!!! 🇧🇸 🇧🇸 🇧🇸
This what it’s all about,supporting each other! All about being each other’s backbone! Blessings!
“There are more disparities within Ethnic minorities than between” LITERALLY!!! I’m Caribbean American, and I’ve tried to telling many people who come from ADOS that I wasn’t raised with the same perception of the police or looping presence of racism many ADOS ppl were raised with as my parents saw things differently due to their cultural history and being born and raised in the Caribbean. I’m not saying we ignore racism or overt discrimination however we just don’t see it the exact same but rather based on cultural experience and perceptions. This isn’t to say ADOS are crazy or wrong but ppl need to acknowledge there are differences.
Many ppl will say Black ppl are not a monolith but expect us to move in tandem (often politically) as if we are a monolith. I know first generations Black Africans who everyone in their family were upper middle class/ rich or highly privileged and know nothing about Caribbean or ADOS experience. That line really hit home for me.
We can have shared solidarity but gaslighting us into believe we are the same to demand support against other groups isn’t helpful…
You were colonolized and still are.
So then who are you in community with? Y'all are literally here in a TH-cam channel that aggregates all of you "black" people to discuss things pertaining to "black" people, while saying "huh there's a black community?? what are you nuts?" LOL
ADOS is a failed 15 minutes of fame. do not put them with foundational black americans.
And that's the root of the "diaspora wars". Black Americans want all of us to assimilate and become a monolith and refuse to take no for an answer.
I'm Caribbean American as well but I never lived in America until recently and that was the biggest culture shock, that I have nothing really in common culturally with BAs and I must assimilate to them..I refuse.
Caribbean till I die.
What does ADOS mean? I love reading comments and learning from everyone about these different things, but for the most part I usually keep my mouth shut.. I have never heard this term before and would love to know more if you can point me in the right direction 🤗.
In school* I always had more in common (socially and culturally speaking) with non-black Americans, Europeans and SE Asians. Black cousins and schoolmates called me "white girl."
We could be the same X from the same X and have the same X, but we experience very different issues. I definitely don't face the same issues as the majority of Black American women, even though I am one.
We, plain and simple, need more voices.
Eventually, they will coalesce into micro-diasporas wherein the real work can be done.
Smh
Keep on being a beautiful and positive force in this sad and lost world. ❤
This is why I tell people at the end of the day sing for yourself. Decide for yourself, how you want to live. That's all?
Thanks so much Rogan for bringing this brilliant British Nigerian woman to this conversation. As a Nigerian Canadian parent bringing up two beautiful children with my husband, Ada aptly describes a lot of our beliefs. Although we understand the struggles Black people in America say they experience, we however cannot bring ourselves into that head space because our issues are indeed different. What a black American will describe as discrimination, a Nigerian will see as a challenge that has to be surmounted. Hence instead of going on the streets to protest, a true Nigerian will get that degree, that certificate, work to get that credit score or strive extra to surmount that challenge. We believe the Black American already owns the land and we immigrants are simply working to be a part of the land, so we do not have the luxury of seeing discrimination in that sense, we see these things as challenges that need us to put in extra hard work so we finally become part of the system and succeed. For example, in a massive healthcare facility full of more experienced professionals born and raised in Canada, with nationals from across the world as employees, I was that Nigerian who within a year of working shot straight up to management, not because I was the most intelligent but because I did not think of my skin colour or discrimination, but worked hard and that hard work was recognized. Our issues are different so that I don’t even understand or identify with a “black community”. As a Nigerian I even feel at one with a Caribbean than a black American. We are not naive and know racism exists, but we don’t even dwell on these things and work to utilize the benefits of the systems we find ourselves in. The only time I really remember my skin colour is when I want to buy lotion.
This is extremely well said!!! I wish more Black Americans had that mindset. We are so brainwashed. It would really benefit ourselves to get out of our own heads/ headspace and see how others tackle problems
Look up colonization. tell me our struggles are different. neo colonization means we suffer the same things. Many affluent black africans think themselves in another boat because they are often lacking in any real political education and raised, like most of us in the states, to believe very terrible lies fed to us by white faces and colonial powers who gain from our mutual resentment. Its naive to think racism/white surpremacist action will not affect you if you don't dwell on them or that the larger issue isn't the resources both tangible and intangible that these actions and systems keep our of our hands. Its even more naive to think anyone will really be able to tell you from me or other black americans when in the american streets. Your fate is tied to those who arrived on americas shores first because our treatment is an extension of the land that colonized and still holds power in africa.
@@KamauMshale doesn’t matter if they see us all as black Americans, my values and beliefs are different from yours, my experiences are different from yours and how I choose to approach discrimination or racism is different from your own way. My Nigerian way has helped me successfully navigate the world and excel wherever I find myself. My ways are proven and work for me so yes, I may sound naive to you but I am a success and that’s all that matters…not my skin color, not the racist next door, not my blackness; whatever that is. Inspite of all this…Nigerians say “WE MOVE.”
@@KamauMshale PS, my fate is not tied to anybody but the God I serve. My fate and destiny is mine and mine alone.
@@tegaomisore8400 but these issues still impact successful blacks my sister is at senior management level & has experienced glass ceilings, tokenism and disparities in pay with white counterparts.
Yes we can be black and industrious however these issues still affect all of us.
YESSSSS SHARED IDEAS AND MORALS what a blessing to share a message like this.
She said the truth, in England you can see the clear difference (in my opinion) between Black Africans and Black Caribbean’s. Especially in schools.
Is that the reason in the Nineties why Nigerians were appropiating british Jamacians IDENTIY by denying there own.
@@caggib in the 90s there weren’t nearly as much Nigerians then there were Jamaicans. Young people just wanted to conform. But this does not negate from my point at all. Africans are more successful in the UK than Jamaicans.
@@caggib Jamaicans started coming into the UK in the 50s aka the windrush generation, Nigerians came to the uk in larger drones in the 80s. Your comment just sounds butthurt or something.
@@caggibcause Nigerians were newer to the country especially the young people? This still doesn’t negate the fact Africans are more successful than Caribbeans in England.
Overexaggeration. The second lowest group with minimum 3 As at a level are caribbeans and third lowest are africans. THe lowest are Roma.
Pakistanis, bangladeshis, indians, chinese, english, eastern european all have higher percetnage of three As at a level.
Africans kids do better but not better than anyone else outside of Roma or Caribbeans.
I agree with the lovely lady from Britain. There are no “commumities” 🤦🏿♀️ Idk other people that have the same color as me, nor do we live in segregated communities. Collective mindsets are the issue.
The only true discrimination in this game is money related. Sadly, blacks were treated as property instead of property-owners and that caused a lot of damage and generational trauma. Yes, we share that together. The struggle. It is quite unique to black folks and that's what started the community. So of course, now that Black people are starting to become successful and rich, they part ways with the trauma and they don't relate to the community anymore. Makes sense.
Great discussion!!!!!! So much to unpack and analyze
I’m listening just to support you, Rogan. Such a nuanced, intelligent voice of reason. 💜
I am here and I am LISTENING! Thank you for this! I will not give up because of people like you! If we understand ourselves we understand how to move forward. Please don't stop believing!
I’m very excited to have this to listen to whilst I do housework. Thank you *Rogan*
You are vwry welcome. Please enjoy!
I'm Nigerian (SS/SE), and my Nigerian-Brit-Igbo sister Ada has some ideas but has absolutely lost the plot. Where I agree: yes, we can't solve sub-group issues by ONLY using a broad "black" lens.
However, she goes on to say (i) while the Italian and Irish (Americans) don't declare a "white" community. They don't need to - they're the default in many ways. They tacitly align on cultural values and norms without having to declare them "white" things. (ii) Black Caribbean boys being excluded is both a black AND Caribbean if it uniquely impacts a segment of the black community. (iii) the idea that there are more disparities between minority ethnic groups is simply nuts. What is this based on? A mere economic difference (e.g., middle class Nigerian-Brit vs low income Black American) is not proof. Any more than a middle-class Nigerian vs a low-income Nigerian makes them disparate people.
She needs to understand that her experience is also potentially very limited to speak on how others understand the "black" experience. If she hasn't been to the United States for example, she may simply not have the context. Of course, she has the right to exclude herself from any community, but I think she lacks the insight to speak on whether "black" is a useful community for others.
As a Nigerian raised in Nigeria, we sometimes treat folks like her raised mostly in the UK or US as not "fully" Nigerian. Her argument could be used to suggest that she herself does not share that much in common with born/raised Nigerians and is instead part of a separate subgroup. But I'm sure she would push back on that. Finally, if she's not "black" (because ya know, a black community is not a thing) then she should find other things to discuss other than whether there is a black community or not.
Fantastic discussion. Definitely sharing
Tuning in while on my lunch break!
Ready to reason with realistic rationality! 😁🎧
Enjoy! Haha.. Thank you so much.
Ada is amazing! Thank you for having her on.
Love the conversation ladies!
I always comment on your videos, but this time it isn't for the video content itself. I just have to say watching you and Ada having this speak conversation it an absolute joy! Of course I love and agree with the discussion, but to have 2 brilliant-minded women of color pointing out and uncovering the "truth" is fantastic!
Thank you. I really enjoyed talking with her. I learned so much and just enjoyed hearing her perspective. She is brilliant. I plan to have more discussions in the future with other folks. Stay tuned.
I love this!
I’m listening to this and I feel very inspired! Thank u 🙏🏽
Bravo bravo , great show. I love to listen to intelligent people speak honestly about things.
Out of context, but that top is so cute I love the sleeves so much
Also, my neighbors are my community as well. I have Vietnamese/Guatemala neighbors & we all have each others back.
And I also support interracial dating as well. There are some toxic online dating groups who are trying to segregate us.
Respect the dialogue; passionately love your stitched blossoms!
AMAZING JOB!!! This was a GREAT interview
Thank you so much! Be sure to watch part 1....this was thw continuation. Ada is incredible. By the way. Thank you for your donation! That was very kind of you! 🥰🥰🥰
I LOVE these conversations with you ladies.❤
I think you ladies are amazing. Great show.
I completely agree, at some point these conversations need more nuance beyond just history. We should be striving to handle things economically, politically, and creating actionable plans.
I enjoyed this conversation very much. Interesting points touched. Much appreciated 🙏🏾
Blackness is put on me. There it is
QUESTION: WHO'S in charge of giving out black cards anyway???🙄 I'm tired of ppl trying to stick us in a box... the sad part is that we now voluntarily do it to ourselves!!! 🤦🏾♀️
I'm a black woman born in the US. My college advisor was Nigerian born and I visited St Kitts. There is definitely cultural differences once you travel a bit and interact with different cultural groups.
So if our traditions and cultures are different, then our lived experiences and priorities will be different too. I'm not saying that we don't have similarities and that we can't come together, but we must acknowledge the differences first.
Honestly there are differences between US born blacks that have lived in the North and those that have lived in the South. Blacks born in the US vs. those born in Canada.
I do have a little bit of push back because we can build a strong voice by coming together but agree that our strength can't come from just struggles.
I agree with so much of what you've said. I would also say that we can only come together if there is mutual respect. If there is an underlying disdain for Black Americans, then that has to be addressed before any real broad based lasting cooperative working unity can take place.
@@MyTruth1771why do you think Africans and AA don't like each other? I'd appreciate an honest reply.
@theoneeternal9046 its not "Africans." it's more typically West African (mostly Nigerian) immigrants to the West who think that the prominence of Black American cultural forms is underserved.
With the shrinking of the global community, it has become more clear that Black Americans are the most prominent Black people on the global stage. It's been that way for decades now, but modern media makes our culture and our icons ever present in the social consciousness. We are resented for that. So, effectively, to what I call the Tribal-Rivalist rivalist perspective, we are simply a rival tribe with which to jockey for the top position. And even worse, since we are not African, to them, we don't deserve our prominent position. We are prodigal but didn't even return home. This Tribal-Rivalist perspective is antithetical to Black American culture and views because our historical circumstance groomed us to have respect for some level the we all Black collectivist approach to the world. But that approach is not the worldview of the Tribal-Rivalist view of the world, which is a string force in West Africa. The idea is to try to peacefully degrade and displace the tribes equal to and above you in the pecking order by taking them down a peg and asserting ones own tribe's superiority over them. In Black American parlance, this is the old crabs in a barrel but played as a team (tribal) sport.
@@MyTruth1771Intriguing. I'm Nigerian and never had this perspective. Granted, I've never been to America, but you might be right? Speaking for myself as an outsider, I recently got into hip-hop and the culture that sorrounds it. I've seen its impact throughout the world and it is truly immense. But as much as I see its positives, I've also seen the effects of the negative messages it pushes on African Americans. The g*n vi*lence and so on. I worry that it will spread and influence other black youth around the world in the same way. I don't say this to cast aspersion. This is my honest opinion.
Love it!!!
The first point made by Ada is so salient! This is the heart of the matter.
Conversations like this should be on TV. Stuff you say are a million times more important than the nonsense they say on The View, for example....
I'm a white senior citizen from Baltimore. I graduated from Baltimore City College High School in 1964, but I've lived outside the USA for the last18 years & live on SS with savings.
I have a theory about discrimination and how to beat it
I think discrimination is real, systemic, & and it can really hold one back.
I say, "put blinders on, and go full steam ahead toward your goals."
Try to block out the outside noise, and live your life.
Great comment! However, the blk American is in a unique position.
@@nsudatta-roy8154 We can’t get out of a position we insist on staying in.
Did you just say put your head down and keep your eye on the prize, and hope and wish for the best 😂😂😂 What type of strategy is that for systematic oppression of Black Americans? How is pretending there is not a problem the Solution?
@@dnporter5506 I think they’re saying that the way out is to focus on your own individual journey rather than worrying about the things that are against you. When you’re over consumed with the negative things that you cannot control it’s difficult to push forward with a clear mind.
Ok,I get it. I’m 61 yrs old and I see and experience the things that people like these women tell me don’t matter. Although,I say again I get it but there are real issues that do deter many. Everyone isn’t quick or strong. I am just tired of non black Americans beating us up and judging us. You don’t live here and you don’t know what it is about if you don’t experience what many do everyday. Im saddened by this whole dialogue being had. It’s indirect jabs at black Americans. So unnecessary.
I am beyond impressed with you and your guest. It made me nostalgic for past values. Thank you
Interesting perspectives
Skin color isn't a foundation for a community. Shared values is.
She is sooo right! So called "Latinos" are not a real community either. Puerto Ricans, Cubans and Dominicans really don't have anything in common with Central Americans, for example. They live in very different parts of the world and thus their cultures are quite different. They may have some things in common but that's not enough to call it a community. I believe they have been lumped together for political reasons.
😂😂😂 yall need to read. People identify as Latinos, are people from Spanish Colonize countries, who Identify with their european Ancestry, who also mark that they're white on government forms in the US... Example Is people like marco rubio 😂😂😂
As a mixed raced Dominican, you hit the nail on the head. Hispanics are not a monolith.
@@dnporter5506ew no, I don’t check the white mark and I HATE that there isn’t a box to check for everyone. I do not identify with the colonizers that raped and pillaged Taino land but to keep things brief I’m often forced to identify Latina, try not speaking on things you don’t have knowledge on
@@SweetDemoness "ew"? What's that supposed to mean?
@@dnporter5506 You're clearly NOT LATINO. If you were, you would know that Latinos come from the mix of two or three races; white, black and Indian/indigenous with varying degrees of each. And who cares if they were colonized or not?
I’m glad we’re finally starting to have these conversations. I’m a Black Hispanic and I never had much in common with “african american”. I never even had a reason to associate or assimilate to their culture/community.
I appreciate you two.
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Thanks!
🥰🥰🥰 Thank youuuuuu!
Great conversation as always! I really love your channel. I've had friends from Ethiopia, Cameroon, Ghana, South Africa. It is always weird how Americans (of all races) don't realize the continent is way, way more diverse than even the US is, considering the number of languages alone, let alone the very different cultures. I'll be watching more from your recommendations!
Thank you so much, Elizabeth! That means a lot. Africa is incredibly diverse with different cultures and mores. Yes, please watch my other content. Thank you again.
We know how diverse the continent is, and we know African people are disproportionately poor everywhere in the world.
@@ThisBahamianGyalvous avez raison car la réalité africaine est la libération de chacun et laisser vivre, parce empêcher les autres parler leurs langues et tuer leur culture est contre nature et l'Afrique à vécu pendant la colonisation contre nature, malgré il'ya beaucoup de choses cachées qui les n'ont pas encore eux le de résoudre, car la guerre froide et le néocolonialisme à fréné ou ralenti la recherche historique et culturelle d'Afrique et le monde noir, parce le fond les africains savent qu'ils partagent la même langue et avec des accords et accents différents, la même culture malgré détruite en partie du les interférences extérieures, mais en recomposition , est triste en parlant comme ça. N'ZAMBI yaame ( angolais = luanda) félicitations. TRADUCTION en anglais ( Google)
Why should Americans care about how "diverse" Africa is when africans flee to America for a better life?
Well black Americans said this and we were called divisive.
Facts !
Exactly. They were never that locked in to us to begin with unless they were trying to benefit.
@@mistylanoire773 this is best. They’re slow when it come to understanding what’s really going on around them. Once we get rid of our own kind who sold us out and this dead weight black America will be fine. I wish them the best but I’m here for delineation.
Love the conversation..native Black American viewer here ..yes we think like this too..yes we exist!
Thank you so much for watching, babes.
Black Americans. Africans. UK blacks. Caribbeans. Biracials (such as Bob Marley, Barack Obama, Megan Markle, Kamala Harris, Doja Cat, etc.). We are all completely different types of black. It's true.
no maam. foundational black americans FIGHT with foot to bottoms aganist white supramacee all day everyday.
nah. thats wierd. bob marely, barack obama and many other mixed people did not think that. UK Caribbean American all stops on a boat from africa
@@KamauMshale that's your opinion, and that's fine. Now go away. A biracial and a full black person have completely different opportunities in life. They experience their blackness differently. They have free will to cater to either side of their DNA, full blacks however do not. We know this and we refuse to tell the truth about it. Now leave me alone ma'am or sir.
Ppl literally from Africa from ADJACENT TRIBES will even tell you they aren’t the same….. Bob Marley and Obama can feel how they feel but they don’t speak for all of us and thus that doesn’t qualify your position because it gaslights the millions of Black ppl who don’t see it like that…
Black americans are the ONLY group that fight aganist injustice all day every day.
I really like black people that I have met here in the US who have come from Africa or the Caribbean - especially Jamaica. I have had issues with black americans however including racism. I love the Jamaican people! BTW I am asian!
Maybe u need to look in the mirror 😅
@@bottomuptv9836I see that you understand what she's doing. Smmfh
@@waltporter7707 fo sho!that’s what teathers do
@@bottomuptv9836You are all beginning to sound like cry babies.
We don't care.
About social media, even Facebook was awesome from about 2008-2012. Loved using it and had great conversations at that time. After that it just got weird as the floodgates opened and everyone figured out it existed. Had to get out.
Black Americans have many things that hold them back from being where they want in life. A big issue is honesty from us holding ourselves back. But that being said, we can't pretend that systematic racism isn't another issue that has not gone away in the United States. It's far from the main problem, but it is a valid problem that is dangerous to ignore. I'm lucky enough to have grown up in a very diverse area. My neighbors were black, Italian, Native American, Hispanic, etc. People i consider family growing up were white. So at an early age I've learned all types of people come from all backgrounds and to not live life as a stereotype. Unfortunately, a lot of America does not have that way of thinking. If a black person shows up in specific areas, they will be looked at funny or approached with hostility based purely on their skin color. I've seen videos of this happening to black UPS drivers or DoorDashers delivering to rich white areas. It's dangerous to ignore these things. So sometimes it's not black folks doing the self separation, but others doing it to us. It's almost like saying they don't feel we belong in nicer neighborhoods. Like we don't deserve those nicer things. A lot of people develop a hard skin because of dealing with those things. It's a very nuanced conversation but I can see the points of both sides of it.
Amen, ladies.
This is not to put any Black person or group down, but I've always found it difficult to understand why non-American Black people have this belief they're somehow more driven or culturally intact than Black Americans while ignoring how truly colonized they are. Most don't even recognize their own indigenous languages as the official language in their countries. None have an education system created by their own, and all have adopted the culture of their colonizers as their own. What is truly sad is unlike Black Americans, they are the majority in those countries, and it should have been far easier for them to assert themselves just based on their numbers. I'm constantly questioning why such large groups of people have been so ineffective as it pertains to controlling their own countries and pushing their own agendas. Nigeria, for instance, has a population of over 210 million indigenous Black Africans, yet they're constantly to immigrate to other places and spaces rather than staying and fighting to make the necessary changes in their country. I'm impressed with what I'm seeing from leaders like Malema and Ibrahim Tratore, but the vast majority of Africans would rather leave.
The overwhelming majority of Nigerians are in Nigeria. Not many of us migrate to be honest. And no, things are not getting any easier over here.
@@theoneeternal9046 Of course the majority are still in Nigeria and that's for two reasons. 1 - This country would never allow a mass exodus of Nigerians to come here and 2 - Most would come if the thought America would allow it. That's not to take a shot a Nigerians because that is the truth for Black people globally.
@@TheGuest954Pretty much. There's only so much people can endure. It is what it is. We keep pushing.
I agree we need to separate even amongst the those in the general area of us. We should come together passed on shared values and not struggle. Too often I find myself being seen as an outsider by other black people because I carry myself differently. I am not my struggle but my achievement and the values I hold dear. I do not want to be lumped in with hoodlums when I know nothing but what horrors I see on TV about the hood. I want there to be a distinction because I refused to be a part of that community due to its lack of accountability and victimhood.
I'm mixed race black and Polynesian and I do not see being black as a monolith. Blackness definitely need to be separated because other black people love lumping us all together. Making it seem like we all struggle, etc. We don't. Every struggle I've endured was either self-induced or out of my control. It wasn't yt folks fault or an ism. I don't support or like anyone based on race. I like and support based on character and quality.
I like this guest. I agree with her! Thanks
Oh wow, this is actually a difficult conversation to have. Especially for African Americans. Every other race has a “base of operations” to hold on to. With African Americans often times they feel like their opposition comes from their own home base. Where as an African can always be an African and have pride in that, someone Chinese even if they are born in America will always have that Chinese culture to draw from. African Americans are often drawn to pan Africanism because it gives us a large base and makes of feel apart of a larger network. African Americans are 13% of the American Population. It’s not that many African Americans in general in relation to most other major ethnic groups.
Remember that these groups arrived at where they are after centuries of struggle. The Chinese were picked apart by the West and East for four hundred years - the British took Hong Kong, the British enslaved China through Opium, the Japanese took Manchuria, the Portuguese took Macau, the overseas Chinese left for Malaysia and America and then the Caribbean, the Taiwanese left, the Chinese had to fight America to defend themselves in Vietnam and then in Korea……just now is the entire Chinese might be finally reunited. Guess who doesn’t want that to happen.
Africa and her children have experienced the same thing but worse. This century is just the beginning of a longer process, now that we can actually meet each other. The Chinese just got a worthy home base, the Jews are fighting like hell to get back theirs. You will live long enough to see Africas rise. Currently 1.5 Billion people are Black Africans. Economies are growing and will be a force to be reckoned with.
As a Black American I couldn't agree more. That's why there's groups like ADOS, B1 and others that are trying to argue this point. I am glad you understand and I hope more POC would take the same stand.❤
Hi. Thanks for being there and all that you do. Much appreciated.
Here's the thing. Italians don't see themselves as separate from the culture. They see themselves as part of the culture. But occasionally come together once in a while to celebrate their heritage. But very few live apart from the culture. All of these little groups happily came together as Americans and fought and died for America. Not for Italy. When push comes to shove, we're Americans and proudly so. Black culture in 2024 not so much and that's the difference. All of this tribalism is going to destroy not just our culture but also destroy these tribes too.
This conversation is very necessary. As someone who is considered "black" by other races, but not "black" enough by other Americans of African descent, I believe finding like-minded people with similar values to my own more important. My challenge to everyone is this. What/who would you be if you didn't/couldn't talk about race?
I agree with Ada also.
Our struggles do not define who we are, but as black people, they help us to understand our position in the world and what we need to do.
Even if what we face is nuanced in many ways.
I focus more on my African identity more than being black.
But I know I am black.
Try explaining that to a racist white person.
This woman speaks truth. For example most blacks in ivy leagues are African then Caribbean.
As black American who applied for Ivy League schools and made it all they way to being interviewed and waitlisting for a few, there are reasons for this beyond black Americans not valuing education.
The socio economic class among African immigrants in the U.S. are not the same. Most African’s who come to the United States (who are here legally) tend to skew of the wealthier side. Most black Americans aren’t even considered middle class. I’m not even going to talk about how this effects academic results, because that is not the only thing the Ivies care about. More money leads to more access to the things that makes applicants “interesting ”. Things traveling outside of the United States, playing one or more instruments, or speaking several languages.
There’s also the fact that Ivy League schools have ways to look into black American applicants and their families, in a much more intimate way than they can the children of African and Caribbean immigrants. There’s a reason they ask you both of your parents full names, their highest level of education, the schools they went to, the year they graduated, and even their exact major on the common application. It’s so they can dig for information about you.
My father was a somewhat prominent lawyer where I’m from. He had a few colleagues who were Ivy League alumni. The man who interview me for Princeton was a judge who knew my dad. Long Story short, my dad got disbarred back in 2008. In 2013 he was arrested for something unrelated, and the charges were dismissed with prejudice (meaning they can be brought back if the courts saw fit). He also never donated to his alma maters, despite getting a full scholarship to both undergrad and law school. Because people love to talk, this inevitably makes it back to someone on the admissions board. These things reflected poorly upon me as an applicant, though these things were no fault of my own. This was explained to me by some people that knew my dad, and still talk to my mother and I.
All this to say, we’re working under somewhat different circumstances here. Whether it is due to the fact we are of different socioeconomic classes; or due to our public and private lives being more accessible.
I mentioned in your last video that balkanization will occur and here it is happening.
My theory is being proven right and its very interesting watching it unfold.
I just loved hearing this Guest speak. She needs to be on TV, a major network so everyone can hear what I consider truths. I loved her last comment: the meaning of being black to one person, doesn't mean the same to another person. I think once a wide audience hears that their "words" will no longer mean anything in the sense of placing people in perceived little black boxes, some of us can move on to more important issues.
She really is. She is incredible. I believe she has been featured on the BBC. She is awesome.
She does understand white supremacy.@@ThisBahamianGyal
Two beautifully smart woman speaking truth. Blessings
I agree.
"There are disparities within families..." Definitely. And on (parental) sides of families also. I have about 22 to 24 1st and 2nd cousins (old enough to go to jail) on both my mother's and father's sides of the family. On my mom's side, about 8 or 9 of those cousins have been to jail. On my dad's side, the number is 0. And about 75-80% of these cousins on both sides live in the same North Alabama communities. So it's not like one side has been policed differently. And my mom's side had all the opportunities that my dad's side had. But unfortunately, many on my mom's side chose to live and think a certain way.
Very interesting conversation. As a Black Boomer, I have seen the separation within the Black community already occur organically. However, it's never acknowledged. Somehow we still want to say that being Black is just skin color (as was the case in the past) and therefore we should all have the same views and must react to issues the same. In the past, we were united by issues such as, "Colored to the rear" in terms of riding busses, and redlining when buying homes. Now that these type of issues have been addressed, one must ask, what is it that unites ALL Blacks in America?? The answer is NOTHING. Though the skin tone might be in play, we are now grouped by those who listen to the boule race baiters, or conservative social values, or income that determines where you live, just to name a few. Skin color is no longer a main factor. Being accepted by the American culture was a goal in the past. Now that it seems we are moving in that direction, there is the push back to be seen as a Black monolith again as opposed to an individual who is in dark skin.
I am with you. I think the separation has already naturally occurred. I, for one, would love for us to work together, live together, celebrate each other and love one another. There is a way to respect each others' cultures, yet still maintain our identities.
You are very right about how we are now grouped. Spot on. Thanks for watching and weighing in.
I agree with this 100%. You nailed it with this assessment of what's going on today.
1. We alienate the people who gave us Garvey, Malcolm, Stokely, Marley and who supported MLK, Rap, Fred, Huey and all Black revolutionaries and advocates. 2. We deprive ourselves of the music, fashion, arts, science etc derived from our unity, like funk and hip hop, lined up dreadlocks, street styles, and inventions. 3. See first two.😊
the thing is, if its made specific the number for a specific group aint gonna be there. there is just more strength in numbers.
This type Pass l of commentary is what i decided to follow you. Not the bbl, the view or other shallow topics.
I get her point when it comes to separation especially since here in Afrika we may be Afrikans to the world but we use our tribe names as identity because that's a specific way to identify us since it includes traditions & culture.
You raised valid points about the success of Nigerians oversees but...
°Who is employing them in those spaces of their success? Are they employing ?
°All these doctors, nurses, engineers etc where are they building, who are they healing?
° What is the state of Nigeria the country, what is affecting their economy and why, who r they trading with?
° If Africa is safe and productive every black community globally benefits
°Currently you are living in a community that isn't predominantly black. Why? Is it because u couldn't find a safe affordable decent place within black communities that allows you to thrive.
°Yes we are different with different issues but somethings are basic.
Good schools, safe healthy products (food, clothes, skin care, hair care etc) factories, affordable safe healthcare
°Fostering education of trade jobs
°The responsibility should fall on us not other communities if not, we do not thrive as a whole.
Black community just means working together more and better.
I LIKE HER !
Edit: i also want to add that even when I was on the top of my class and everyone looked to me for help and advice the other person who gave me a problem was the man from Africa. Even when he was struggling and when I tried to help him he would say “No that’s not right. You are wrong.” When I’m the one with the 100 average in class.
I really tried. But He wanted to drown, so I let him.
And in the context of this video I wholeheartedly agree. We are not the same and we are made up of different ethnicities and unique experiences and cultures.
Sounds like a f00l. Was Nigerian per chance?
Unfortunately the world views us through our blackness. No matter where you are or are from
The world's population is 92% black/ brown,so the world that views you through your blackness are folks who are melanated,whites are only around 8%.
And also, this comment of yours so a lot like paranoia. I know you've been programmed by your society to believe your skin color is of supreme importance, but it's really not. Does discrimination exist? Yes. But the world is not as nearly a scary of a place as you think it is.
@@theoneeternal9046 look at any non black country the dark people are at the bottom of the system or are not displayed publicly like the lighter people of the country.
@@theoneeternal9046It's not about the world is not as scary as you think, becayse you're right. But everyone sees color and their's no denying that. Unfortunately because of the past(the past plays a part in this), race is a common thing to think or be aware about here in America.
And no that doesn't mean every black american thinks about their skin-color 24/7 but it just means we're reminded of it and we're not denying what color we are and how we can be percieved by others.
Should've asked her about The 1965 Race Relations Act in the UK. It was the first anti-discrimination law in the UK and it was inspired by the US civil rights movement. In other words, without FBAs putting in work she'd still be in Nigeria doing who knows what. FBAs really made a way for all of you and we don't get nearly enough respect for it, just finger waving.
I’ve found in my that people who think that the most important thing is the color of your skin are pretty shallow and ignorant. That’s on both sides of the color spectrum.
This is why when I say my community, I really mean my family and friends I grew up with because we share the same history and values. Culture even. It's different from my neighbors' and other black people I know
I think many people will discuss on X things that can not discuss in real life. If I was to repeat your debate with any one in real life it would end in me shouted out!
Some topics we have banned our household, so I can see not express those ideas on Twitter.
Just speak your mind my sister don't be afraid you going to have some people that hate what you say and you hate people who knows you're telling the truth and that's what people afraid of the truth
Wow, it sounds like this young woman is a proponent of MERIT. How refreshing.
💯MLK literally been turning in his grave🤦♂but yall finally waking up👏👏👏Progress
Its not race etcetera thats the issue. The issue is Community. A community for example is not race based, it is the people in that community. Chicago shouldn't be refered to as black community, but as chicago community. This way people will focus more on building up and setting societal standards. This is my community we will address the issues in our community and the communities will address the state for the entire issues.
It's true. The constant racism narrative is the original Pokémon Go. As long as your digital device is in front of your face, racists are everywhere. As soon as you put it down, it's rarely encountered.
What an excellent comment ❤
smmfh
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Yes
Excellent Interview .
Thank you so much!!! Thanks for watching.
Message to my Bahamian sister, you ask Nigeria sister why they do well in America I will give you the answer first most of Nigerian come to USA are fr Middle class family with degree that give head start than average blk America, in UK I agree with Nigerian sister that there children less likely to drop out of school than afro carribbean children, but she did not tell you that second generation of Nigerian children born uk are getting in crime and gangs culture and adapt blk America culture that facts, ps Literacy in Nigeria is 77.62 which is still low compared to first world country.
true.
I think sometimes, their ego blinds them for the obvious issues that also affect africans too. Crime. poverty, mentla health issues are endemic in african communties too in the UK.
How when they in UK?
Theres a heirarchy to it that was taken away or given away.