Dear BLACK people: STOP hiding behind HISTORY
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- Dear BLACK people: stop hiding behind history.
At some point, we're going to have to take serious accountability for our actions today and stop hiding behind history and slavery. This week, I sit down and talk to Ada Akpala. She's a writer, commentator and Head of Content for the Equiano Project, which is a debate discussion and ideas forum.
In this no-holds-barred TWO-PART interview we talk about everything going on today in the black community.
It was such a rich conversation and Ada had a lot to say. I encourage you to watch until the very end. Also, be sure to subscribe and turn on your notification bell 🛎 so that you know when the second part of this interview is published.
To learn more about Ada, follow her on Instagram at @ada_akpala and right here on TH-cam at @adaakpala
Chatpers:
00:00 Teaser
00:21 Welcome and introduction
02:20 Groupthink
04:57 Who speaks for the Black community?
11:11 Addressing issues
13:07 The Black community in the UK
14:36 London becoming a war zone
16:30 Claims about crime and poverty
18:00 Tired of the excuses
19:43 Poverty doesn't cause violence
21:22 Culture of excuses
22:58 Obama: no time for excuses
24:00 Taking comfort in excuses
27:42 Danger of demonising other groups
36:30 The power is within you
Videos featured:
Anthony O'Neal on excuses
Barack Obama's address to Morehouse graduates
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I'm glad to see the quiet majority of blacks speaking out more. Thank you
We've been here. Just catching hell from both sides
@elizekelly Right, my first two blacks! You're a bit simple, don't you think?
@elizekelly you’re funny. I do the same thing (i.e. assume that three instances of something equal a million). I’m shocked to see that there are several commentators with channels on TH-cam dedicated exclusively to this topic. Is there something happening we are not aware of? This conversation is starting to take place here in Detroit so that is why I ask.
@elizekelly stay stuck in that bs mindset, y'all getting rocked daily by every African Immigrant that steps foot in this country
@elizekelly Candace Owens is a whole different topic
As Vernon Brundage said”Excuses are tools of incompetence used to build bridges to nowhere and monuments of nothingness, and those who use them seldom specialize in anything else”
I am an immigrant from the Caribbean who have worked hard through school with English as second language, joined the military and retired after 29 years, earned 2 advanced degrees to stay relevant and never committed any crimes.
Thank you for shedding lights on these issues.
And so Sharpton, Jackson & the rest never had to go find another line of work because they were too busy strong arming white companies for $$$.
Thank you for this post!
❤
Oh no.. you never committed any crimes? Didn't smoke weed and shytt?... That's wikid! Why is that?🙂
Don't mind me.. I'm just clowning. I salute you sir. Thank you for your service! On a serious note.. what does it take to stay away from crime really? Poverty or racism are never good excuses at all. It all starts from home training which many simply don't have. Sometimes, I see "daddy" and "son"... and I just shake my head. Their appearance alone speaks volumes.
My comments must be hurting someone's fragile self because I can't find what I wrote earlier in response to your beautiful statement. I salute you sir for being a good role model worthy of emulation in every community. Unfortunately, times have changed. I still wonder how hard it is for some people to stay away from crime. Poverty or racism are still no good excuses. It's all about proper home training, which many don't have. Sometimes I see a "daddy" and his "grown" son.... and I shake my head. Their appearance alone can already give you a fairly accurate picture of their eventual trajectory within a few years.
I work at a financial institution and one girl called my teller a racist because the money she brought in to deposit was short $5. Money counted in front of her through the machine and by hand and still … we’re racist because SHE counted the money wrong at home . SMH
As a black man. Unfortunately the new black generation seem to be the new racist creating an unnecessary problem. As it there isn’t enough problems in this world
This is just your side of the story. I would love the hear the other “girl” side of the story too.
Yeah you're oppressing her with math and reality 😂
Brandy. are you the girl?
@@brandyandcream2 If the money was short 5 dollars, it was short 5 dollars. What difference would her story make? If she accidentally left the 5 dollars at home or something, that's fine, but unless the teller actually said something racist, she had no right to say that of them.
I love our people but damn ive never seen one group of people make so many excuses, i pray for some of us to move forward and do better ,for the sake of our future generations , because its feeling bleak for them right now.
I don't know why you love them they don't love you believe me my parents used to tell me that bulshit when I was a kid in the seventies oh love your people man f*** these people all the show is hate hate after hate !!!!!!!;👎💯💯💯
Thank you. Someone actually with sense is saying this. I’ve been saying we black ppl have been playing the victims card for so long.
@@jujub9480i mean i get it we have had a very bad past and background (slavery), but we cant allow that to hold us back, many of our people are thriving but what is celebrated is some of the worst our people and some of us call it out, we are the problem, and poor behaviour and debauchery is defended . We say black lives matter but support artists that glorify violence against…. black lives 🤦♂️ the logic is not logic-ing
But even here there's a hesitancy to state the obvious, to push back against the majority. At 21:17 Ms. Akpala refers to migrants even worse of than US blacks who come here & absolutely _excel_ but instead of pushing the envelope as to _why_ that is (as they are both wishing more actually _would_ ) she then goes on to say, "Why aren't we asking these questions?...you know why."...and the convo then veers off in to their frustrations with others....and those "questions"...are never even addressed.
NONSENSE!!!
70% of us are above the poverty line! Stop buying into nonsense.
No other culture puts ignorance and bad behavior on a pedestal.
Lie but ok.
@@kaizatengoku3893 George Floyd, Lizzo, gangster rap, drill rap. I could go on.
@@kaizatengoku3893 pew pew violence, single parent households , dropping out of school , pimping ,BLM corruption ,trash influencers like charlamain , there's a long list so let's not act like you don't have a clue
@familyabroad962 Well then go on...
@familyabroad962 Lizzo isn't help that much but ok
As a 45 year old black American woman who has grown up in America and whose ancestors were enslaved here, I agree with everything you two are saying.
In my opinion our culture changed somewhere in the ‘60s and ‘70s during the civil rights movement, and at the height of modern discrimination in this country (not to include the period of slavery and Reconstruction). My grandparents and great grandparents used to work the same blue collar and service-oriented jobs that I now see immigrants work. And people my age and younger refuse to do that type of work because we/they feel it’s demoralizing. Yet, many will sit on welfare and scoff at those of us who are willing to grind, work hard, go to school and do whatever else we need to do to make an honorable living in this country. I went to school being ridiculed because I paid attention in school and spoke well or as they’d say, “sounded white.” But being outcasted in this way has paid off because I’m able to see the dysfunctions in our community and not fall victim to that group think.
So I say all this to say, while we do still have issues of racism that plague our community, in many ways, we have become our own worse enemy. If we continue to refuse to call ourselves out on our own BS, things will not change.
Cukture changed, after 6/6/66
It’s plain to see what changed in the 60s/70s sexual revolution, deindustrialization, title 7&9 of the civil rights act, women’s liberation (the toxic part)… all these things help to destabilize the family. Without a stable family , you can not produce stable young adults. Now the unstable adults procreate and produce more unstable people. On top of that the education system is trash, teaching the citizens to be drones. We aren’t producing critical thinkers
I was saying this just yesterday: Black American culture changed sometime in the 60s, and the change wasn't for good in the most critical aspects that affect the outcome for any social group.
When young Black children are repeatedly taught about the historical injustices and atrocities inflicted upon their ancestors, without a balanced narrative that also highlights their resilience, achievements, and triumphs, it can inadvertently instill a sense of perpetual victimhood. This narrow focus on oppression can lead them to internalize a narrative that emphasizes their powerlessness and marginalization, rather than empowering them with stories of resistance, creativity, and excellence. As a result, they may develop a mindset that fixates on the injustices of the past, perpetuating a cycle of helplessness and disempowerment. By incorporating a more comprehensive and nuanced approach to teaching history, we can help young Black children develop a stronger sense of self-worth, agency, and purpose, and inspire them to become active participants in shaping a brighter futur
Red lining , Deindustrialization, welfare policies, title 7&9, Women’s Lib, the War on drugs, 94 Crime Bill
It's not single Moms, it's the QUALITY of the Mom. A lot of us were raised by intelligent, loving Moms and did very well in life.
Cap 🧢. Intelligent?? Lol
@@NeroLucife666 People make mistakes. My mom currently owns a house in California and is sending me off the medical school soon. It’s the quality of the mom. A 2 parent household is the ideal, and the goal- but it doesn’t always end up that way. Instead of victimizing oneself, persevere despite the challenges. So yes, intelligent. More intelligent than the fathers that leave.
Agreed. And just because there's a man in the house doesn't mean he's going to act like a father. I grew up in a two parent home with a father who wanted NOTHING to do with me. I played sports for 5 years and he came to a grand total of TWO games--both times because he HAD to. Played in marching band, he never came to any concerts we did. Now I compete in martial arts on the international level, and all he does is belittle it. I'd have been better off with no dad at all
I definitely was
@@ptvflThank you!
Rogan, I cannot speak on the American life of black people, but I can speak on behalf of America's latino population. And I can say there are many of the same ideologies, the being held back by white society. My mother work as a maid for most of my childhood. She cleaned around 5 houses a day. All these homes were that of white people. But she never came home speaking negative about how she was treated, she just told me if I stayed in school I could be anything. I never heard her say how belittling it was to clean a white families toilets. She just showed us that if you have a job you do it to the best your abilities. I'm close to 60 so in Texas when I was a child there were still segregated water fountains and it was understood that we were not to use the white areas. But my grandfather opened his own restaurant and opened the doors to any nonwhites who wanted to eat. His English was broken to say the least, but to be a citizen of the US he served in WW2 and worked on a war ship in the bowls of the ship cooking for his fellow soldiers. He left the navy and worked 3 jobs and saved to open his restaurant. He showed us that America was for anyone who was willing to work.
Had he been black his restaurant would have been bombed and closed....
I love the story of your mum cleaning homes, but still not disrespecting the people she worked for. They provided an opportunity for her to provide for her family. My mum used to tell me to do every job with pride. My mother said if she ever had to scrape gum off the floor, she would do it with pride until she could do better. Lovely story. Thank you so much for sharing, Jerry!!!
@@ThisBahamianGyal Sadly, I think that the younger generations are refusing to see the path that their elders cleared for them. Is there still systemic racism? Yes, absolutely, but segregation is a path they've ever walked down. I tell my nieces and nephews that powerful people, Dr. rev. Martin Luther King, Cesar Chavez and countless others that faced racism when in the south it was just hidden or m=never investigated. And this goes out to the LGBT youth that are completely undoing all that my generations and generations of yesteryear did to be seen as equal...by the law that is!
What you missed is, your grandad gets support from the Latin community and was allowed by the white community to open his restaurant, a lot of white people when they see him and you they think you are white. Blacks get turned down for license and loans from banks, etc
@jerryesquibe143, I noticed the parallels in the Latin community, too. Want to start a channel similar to this one so our abuelas, tias, and hermanas can have very expressive silences with us during the holidays when we go back home?
Y’all are talking my language here, I’ve gone to bat with my own mother about the victim mentality in the BC. The problem is the BC doesn’t want to improve. When u try and give a critique on the issues and present solutions, they get very defensive and prideful. It’s like they dig their toes in their right to be wrong. U cannot improve that which doesn’t want to change. Those who do want to change will.
And when people try to help the community, they still complain about the dumbest things
I’m a white guy and the only thing I “hate” is when humans sell themselves short. Here are my two cents. If a black man says “I couldn’t do xyz because of racism” a ton of people that will nod their head and just say what a shame, without any further action, but if anyone, particularly a guy that looks like me, said to a black child “you cannot do xyz because you’re black” their would be much more fire in the bellies of the people hearing about it.
Eric Thomas says “I live in America, there’s something called racism, so what, I’m still going to be successful.”
Right now we’re in a time when it’s easier that it has ever been in human history to be successful, but right now we have too many people across many colors that are not standing up and getting after it. All of us can do it.
Any children, especially those of color, please know that you can absolutely achieve anything you want. Please don’t ever let anyone tell you that you cannot. Success may be the hardest thing you do, but you can always find a way to work harder and I promise it’s worth it.
What makes this so much worse is you can legit give them a step by step guide on how to be successful and they'll straight up won't take any of the advice and would rather complain. I've seen this play out so many times that I just stopped trying to help others when it comes to this topic
💯agree! I’m from the Bahamas. The amount of opportunities and tools to find success in the U.S,there should be no excuse! They say the forefathers paved the way,how is that “way” that was paved being used. Accountability and Mindset is important!
Respectfully...You have NO CLUE what it's like to be black in amerikka, never have and never will. So until you have walked a mile in the shoes of a black person your opinion means absolutely nothing.
If you really want something in life, you will find a way to get it
I agree with you in a way but also, on the same coin, there are too many single parents now more than ever.
And it is straight up IMPOSSIBLE to be a full time parent for your child and also have a full time career.
You cannot be there all the time for that child that really needs that care and have that full time career. It is not possible. I mean in any race.
There was an hour or so video on this topic. Children unfortunately just can't get that full time care with their parent.. and trying to do both isn't healthy for anyone involved.
Unifying as a group and blaming all problems on another race or a "system" is a BRILLIANT way to avoid any personal responsibility to make change or progress.
Yeah but when the G3’s do it you’re okay with it hush
@@trentphillips8484 yall are hilarious using dog whistles, why can’t you speak plainly?
So what was Black Wall St., Rosewood etc.
I was born here in America, my grandparents and great grandparents were also born here in America. I support your message and share your view point 100%. Needless to say I don’t feel oppressed and don’t care about being called a sellout. I like to say I bought in, into the American dream, and living as such.
It’s definitely not poverty but it’s blatant entitlement. These people believe they are owed everything and they think it’s their right to steal what they want and take no responsibility for their own lives.
People aren't stealing because of poverty?
@jeromepowell1873 Plenty of people are poor and don't steal.
I was homeless for eight years and I never stole from people
Can you also agree that that western countries on a grander level think the same way when they deplete other nations national resources such as key components needed for i phones and computers found in great quantities in Africa ir western nation dragging their feet on curbing their practices which are driving global warming where now certain small island nations are now at peril of disappearing. There is a level of entitlement from them as well on a larger level
Lmfao these people the peope ceeing over here for the Caribbean’s and Africa?
You know, even despite obstacles we still have prominent black figures that fought against the odds. What's our excuse?
My fellow Bahamian sister,you’re back with another one! Love the topics! “Accountability” is a serious thing!!!
Yes!!! Even back home. When I was there, I often spoke about these things on my platforms. I am all for personal responsibility. Thanks for watching, babes!
I warned people about the dangers of people crying wolf about racism (and other forms of bigotry). Ada brought up a tangible example of its ramifications. If you unjustifiably accuse people of being bigots, people will start critically example the specific situation and reach the falsely conclusion that the said bigotry doesn't exit. Racism still exists, but people have a tough time distinguishing between real racism and false accusations due to all of these people crying wolf.
Poverty is no excuse for crime! My childhood friend was impoverished for all her childhood and most of her teens; both her parents could not care for her. She had nothing for many years! After twenty-plus years of hard work, perseverance, determination, education, combined with her fortitude, is now working at Oxford University, living in her first home she bought a few years ago. Most people engage in crime because being a criminal is somehow a badge of honour, nowadays.
As a person who grew up in the hood it’s good to see that another person gets it, but there’s people who like to say that poor people are somehow justified because they are poor and poverty causes crime… supposedly. I’ve cleaned toilets, being a criminal is a choice no matter what and even if you are starving you can still ask someone to give you some food in exchange for cleaning their yard or something… people will give you food for free even…. You just have to ask
There are plenty of people who grow up poor who don't commit crimes, but that doesn't mean poverty isn't a major contributor to crime.
Well, first of all, this country was founded on crime and violence. That's how America got it's wealth. Not every poor person is going to commit crimes, but crime will always be higher in poverty stricken areas.@eheheh3263
Poverty isn’t an excuse for engaging in crime. However poverty does breed crime.
Can you do a video about black culture and bad attitudes. Im black myself but a lot of time I go shopping and deal with workers who are black, many (mostly the women) have really bad attitudes and just have very poor customer service skills. Why is this such a phenomenon in our communities?
It's BAD with the women. When I go to the grocery store I purposely avoid lines with black cashiers. What's really hurtful is that those same cashiers are nice as heck to the white guy, but will snarl at other black people, black men especially. I had a black male cashier at TX MAXX who was so mean to be you would have thought I killed his mamma. And all I did was put the things I was buying on the counter! And said hello to dude! All I got back was being ignored and a nasty, eye-rolling vibe. Like you, I don't get it.
I have noticed too a black female coworker who I worked at with at a convenience store who has two kids probably by different men had no patience with me and was rude and nasty I noticed to that a lot of the black coworkers are rude and nasty.
Inefficient management is also what it says. Speaks volumes about managers vs leaders in any business.
Thank you so much for stating the facts. As a Latino, I get second hand embarrassment from seeing the mental gymnastics some black people do to avoid accountability and blame everyone but themselves.
Also, let’s talk about the internalized racism in your community. Latinos ( wanna be white passing) have been more racist to me than WASP whites. There are plenty of successful and hardworking blacks and it’s funny that you find yourself on this black lady’s forum. Latinos love to pretend to be white or black depending on which race is convenient or in fashion at the moment . Your raza utilities many of those same excuses that you accuse “some” of us of. Stop the hypocrisy and B.S. and work on your own communities issues.
You meant to say, "As a Caucasian who so happens to be from Latin descent".
The difference between our ID, Birth Certificates, and every single form B Folks fill out we have to say that we are B (didn't spell it out as YT deletes).
I was talking to a Latin dude yesterday. He had no clue, either! Not making excuses for BP, but it's more of a challenge, and some people can't handle the pressure. Includes ALL "races"...✌🏽
I can't stand when people "correct" things that don't need to be. 🤦
@@goodbye_account_abandoned - Oh, I disagree!
There is a difference between being Bck, and being Caucasian on paper. Every J O B you go to, school you attend, or State/Governmental form you have to fill out.
Most "people of color" are only that when they want something from Bck people. Or, IF they have a narrative. 😉✌🏽
You guys are getting the baton in the next 10 years, hope your ready to fix the country.
Jamaican here. Commented on your channel a few times. I looked up the statistics and here they are. Black immigrants from the Caribbean and African diasporas make close to $20k more that our AA counterparts. If you’re going to say America is a systematically racist country against black Americans, and that proof of such racism is the income disparity, then Black immigrants should be experiencing the same thing. The statistics show otherwise. I refuse to accept that narrative. A who unnu a try fool??
Um no
The breakdown of the Black family. NO FATHERS IN HOUSEHOLD.
Jamaica is a shithole if your so good build that place up.
@@Vertex-xy8tsthe men choose to abandon their kids
@@libfuzzy4629 Tjey don't abandon there kids fool the mothers are compensated for not having a man around and the women push the men out there lives thus children are less likely to be as productive as a regular family.ignorance breeds your arrogance!
I worked with a black guy. We both worked two jobs. We worked side by side on both jobs. We made over 6 figures a year. He actually said to me “ l’m oppressed. I said we both work the same jobs, I know what you make. How are you oppressed? He said you just don’t understand.
As a black woman, I would’ve told him to shut up. I would be grateful to have 2 jobs that got me 6 figures a year.
😂🎉😂🎉 You don't understand 😂🎉😂
@@ericwilson2632 Basically, you have no facts to support your argument 🤷🏽♀️ Good luck in life with your nonstop excuses 👍🏽
@@IzzySalamisome work environment makes workers feel like slaves..
@@yoboybigj875Excuses. If your work environment is toxic, you have a right to quit BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT A SLAVE.
I'm so happy I subscribed to this channel. You have voiced literally everything I have thought of about "Black" people. I'm not saying every Black person makes excuses but the majority do. I have always been driven to be successful and because I am "black" people think I'm too white. I've never seen such a lost group of people in my life.
Race Hustlers and Victimhood mentality is a lucrative business.
FACTS
Yep, because the Jews are the GOAT when it comes to Race hustling and Victimhood mentality
Yep. It's classic "divide and conquer" too
Yep !
Old white woman here. Thanks for this conversation. I've watched my black neighbors, remember I'm old, first rise socially here in the south then fracture. it's been terribly sad to watch. I've genuinely tried to understand black culture and embrace it but it's grown impossible to do
Don't then
We don't need you to understand us.
@@jeromepowell1873 FINALLY! So glad to hear the black community is ready to carry their own poor and pay to keep their criminals in prison. WHEW! I thought the day would never come! 🤣😅😄🤣😂
@@jeromepowell1873 We just want you to go away!
@@jeromepowell1873 so why complain in the first place? You not making sense
I loved this conversation. The ideas sound like such common sense to sensible people, yet so foreign in these times. Thank you both.
Im a white American. Ive definitely noticed how the black community likes to drag their own down. Ive akso now lived in europe for a while and have met many Africans who have lived in both Europe and America. So far most have said they have had more race issues in Europe then America (especially France).
And that's why it's silly to call people dragging each other down a community. Also exactly why this term sprang up suddenly, to mask the fact. Notice you didn't introduce yourself part of 'the white community'.
@@cruiser6260 It's so weird how everyone talks about 'White' as some homogeneous mass or community while, as you rightly pointed out, there is no such thing.
It's also bizarre how most don't register that they habitually act and speak prejudicially and antagonistically against this non-existing white community solely on the basis of it being 'white'. By definition - racism.
And then another mental flip - Aha! But black people can't be racist!
Mind-boggling.
When young Black children are repeatedly taught about the historical injustices and atrocities inflicted upon their ancestors, without a balanced narrative that also highlights their resilience, achievements, and triumphs, it can inadvertently instill a sense of perpetual victimhood. This narrow focus on oppression can lead them to internalize a narrative that emphasizes their powerlessness and marginalization, rather than empowering them with stories of resistance, creativity, and excellence. As a result, they may develop a mindset that fixates on the injustices of the past, perpetuating a cycle of helplessness and disempowerment. By incorporating a more comprehensive and nuanced approach to teaching history, we can help young Black children develop a stronger sense of self-worth, agency, and purpose, and inspire them to become active participants in shaping a brighter futur
Yea so what?
@@yoboybigj875 and this is exactly why I homeschool.
I grew up and have lived around black people my whole life. I have black people inmy family. I'm 67 years old now. Never before had I felt uncomfortable with black people. However, in recent years, I must admit that I've developed a sense of apprehension based on the lawless behavior being displayed in the black community I'm 5' 5" tall, 140 lbs. and have been mugged twice in the past year. by young black men. Luckily, my dog protected me so things didn't go as badly as they could have. Now my dog displays a certain excitability every time a black man approaches me.I haven't trained him to be this way. Can a dog be racist?
Nope 😂
Dogs can't be r@sist. They are smart enough to recognize a pattern especially if its tied to d@nger. My little Papillion mix does the same but with certain dog breeds since we both were attacked by (frenchies & another time by a pittie) Thankfully we came out unharmed with the pit incident but he NEVER FORGOT)
A dog can actually have a racist spirit. Demonic spirits can inhabit humans and animals. But i just think that your dog wants you safe
The dog is not racist it's looking out for its owner as they recognised who were the threat before
You feel apprehension? Imagine how Black people felt for the first 350 years that we've lived together on this continent.
I'm disappointed with alot of the younger Blacks generation in America. I talk to alot of Black youth in high school. None are taking chemistry, calculus, geometry, trigonometry, and physics. Black youth today know more about rap music than any of these major courses. Young people need to realize you can't rap at 50 yrs and over. But they can still work as a scientist, doctor, politician lawyer until they are well past 50 yrs. old. I'm a Black woman.
I think we get confused about what being "pro-black" or black and proud is. Being pro-black is not covering up our ills/wounds that will cause diseases to develop. Being pro-black is as you say..."calling OUT the negative conducts/behaviors that depict our blackness in a negative light as if we are a hopeless people settling for less and only able to live up to the standard or ceiling that society has placed on our race. We like to play blind and play deaf when we see something wrong..."nunmybusiness" is our mindset. But in years to come, the negativity that we find is cute and praise or repulsive and are silent about will become your business because sooner than later it will come at your doorstep. Correct your children if you see them being a certian way not saying spank but sit them down and teach them self-respect, respect, and self love...teach them the BIBLE because that is the only teaching that has the Positive Holy teacings and principles for people to live by.
and the bible teaches kindness among other things helps us and even science tells us that kindness can actually help people to heal and increases self-esteem and helps people to feel good so if we want society to heal then kindness helps.
With Black "leaders" like Al Sharpton, the Black community doesn't need enemies.
I am a white woman, and an independent voter. I grew up in extreme poverty in Idaho. We lived in a broken down house with holes in the floors, walls, and ceiling. We had no running water, no electricity, and no heating. The winteres were brutal. With 8 kids in the family we never had enough food and were often hungry. We didn't go to school. By the grace of God I taught myself to read, and educated myself and my younger siblings. Poverty is colorblind, and does not discriminate. I worked several jobs as a teenager to pull myself out of that poverty. All of my siblings worked to become successful adults, it was not easy but America gaves the hope to overcome. Its ignorant to assume that all white people are wealthy and have privilege. These young men give me hope that the propaganda machine of the democratic party is finally being seen for what it is. GOD BLESS AMERICA! "LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE BRAVE"
@MagpieAnnie73 Thank you for sharing. It's a huge problem that nobody talks about. There is so much poverty in Appalachia, and other parts of our nation. It's beyond frustrating to me that so much free aid is being given to illegal immigrants, and untold amounts of American tax money is being sent to other countries around the world, when we have so much need, and poverty in our own country. It is also frustrating when the suffering of white people isn't considered because the woke movement has convinced the black community that their poverty is the only poverty that matters, and that all white people have "privilege".
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@catwrangler7907 No, haha... but I have been to Italy, and I see your point.
Look up Amanda Gorman
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There is a certain radiance that accompanies a self-actualized life. Both of you have that radiance. Treasure that! May God bless and keep both of you.
I love Maslow!
Thank you for acknowledging something I could not yet verbalize. 🌹🌹
As soon as someone says "The government should ..." or "They [gov] need programs for ..." those people have already lost and have embraced the notion that they are no different than a dependent child. Children simply want what they see but rarely want to be responsible for their actions.
As a very curly headed white girl, I had a very difficult time finding anyone to help me understand how to care for it, no one in my family has curly hair, little black sheep over here. I was so self conscious I kept going to my best friend, a black man, to basically ask permission to even buy and use African hair care products, ask if it was okay to wear a bonnet to sleep, ask if I would even be accepted into a black salon. Eventually he sat me down and had a very similar conversation as this video. And girl, the first black salon I went to, I was NERVOUS and scared and beyond uncomfortable because I felt they would judge me or be mean to me because the texture of my hair isn’t one of natural African hair. That was the furthest thing from what actually happened. They treated me with so much kindness, they taught me everything on how to care for my hair and how to get the best curl for my hair type. They taught me what products to use and when, how to even brush my hair in a way to get the best curl. They were so sweet and kind and I never felt like I wasn’t welcomed at any point. I’ve seen so many white girls with braids get so much shit I was scared to even just shop from the African hair products at the store, which is so silly looking back. Now, I feel empowered and confident, I do feel silly for the big misconceptions I had, the loudest don’t speak for the whole. ❤️I appreciate your insights and how open minded you are as a creator and a woman ❤️
I’m glad that was your experience especially as a woman. I find women to be the most hateful and judgmental and critical of other women who are not melanated
Lack of accountability is one of America's biggest issues. Victim mentality is exhausting. These days, I listen to some people and just think, "Arent you tired?"
The most productive aspect of this conversation is the fact that your guest is a Black European, still living there, and discussing issues from that perspective.
I am a Black American who has achieved a better life in the US, despite the consistent cloud of "white supremacy". And Blacks like me get a little tired of Black immigrant expertise on the problems of Black Americans, usually led by "we have the same Black experience, yet...". Not actually true when said immigrant takes every opportunity to distinguish themselves from Americans, ASAP. Or the same immigrants limit their knowledge and contact to a single class of Black American (usually the same ones they've seen on TV 🙄).
This is a difficult, yet important conversation, that is better had when participants' own vulnerabilities are being examined as well. Well done, this time.
When are we going to heal from the past? What does it benefit? This is exactly what we are talking about. And american blacks do the same thing when it comes to anyone else's experience.
Hi. Thanks for watching and weighing in. I can tell you that there are Black Americans who also also go out of their way to distinguish themselves from other people. I am not the least bit offended by it. You have your own identity and you are American. I would FULLY expect you to boast of that.
The reason Black immigrants are so quick to offer their opinions is because many of them come here with nothing...no money, no network, no family and they end up doing really well. Then, they hear an AA saying that they are being held back because they are black, they say, "well, I'm bBack. That has not been my experience." If we are going solely off of being Black, then that cannot be true because why would one succeed and not the other. There has to be some other distinguishing factor.
Your opinion is somewhat biased though.. immigrants limit their knowledge and contact to a single class of black americans? Really?. So you don't think black americans also limit their own knowledge when they generalize and stereotype other black immigrants into one huge monolithic basket? That sport is at a pandemic level all over the internet.
@@ThisBahamianGyal Black Americans are the wealthiest Black people in the US. Every black billionaire in the US is black American. The wealthiest Black athletes and Celebreties are largely Black American. Black immigrants are so used to poverty and when they finally get some crumbs, then think there's no racism. Black immigrants only think about themselves Whereas black Americans think holistic and they think about the entirely of the black race and not just themselves. There's not activity of that Black immigrants are doing better than black Americans. That often misquoted household income of black immigrants earning more than black Americans is a form of lying with stats. Because it doesn't take into account that most black immigrants are concentrated in the Northeast or DC and theres Black immigrants have extended families living in their homes.
Really I'm sick of "diáspora war mindset" black people who have popped up in the last few years. I took a black American girl on a date, later that night we went to an african club (Because it's where the vibes were) and she shut down and felt like she was being judged without even interacting with anyone. I asked whats wrong she told me "they're gonna hate me Because I'm American" and she didn't even know the two people sitting next to her we're "black American." I told her she needs to get off the internet Because look how your mind Is poisoned. You dont even have african friends and you're already rejecting yourself from potentially making new connections. Leave those idiotic internet posts alone.
These old women and men on the internet push this stupidness when they run out of talking points.
This Is a new level of toxicity as If black people dont have enough internal struggle.
Accountability...
That's all our community needs, just an ounce of accountability, just a little bit could take us to the moon, planets and stars. While we can't change the past, we as humans can change our own future, especially now where we have more than enough opportunities to make anything happen but if you have the mindset of defeat 24/7, you'll never get within sniffing distance of peace and paradise
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It's incentivised in America, but a non issue for the Africa 'community'
@@cruiser6260 exactly, people have legit became millionaires over being a "victim" then turn around and make sure no one else can profit off the grift, its disgusting
Anytime I hear somebody say "We need to come together as a people/community". I cannot help but think "you first need to get your houses/families in order. Communities are MADE UP of families. No family...no community!". Now I grew up in a heavily populated Carribbean part of London (Mozart, Ladbroke Grove) UK in the 80's and 90's. I'd say 90% of my friends were black (I'm Filipino/Irish) and so I was exposed to Carribbean culture from a young age, which I'm pleased about tbh. I eventually married a girl who is half West Indian.
There is definitely something to be said about the black community and broken families here in the UK. Many (modern people) would blame feminism, but I saw lots of this stuff as a boy. Only ONE of my black friends (from St.Lucia) had a dad in the home. The rest of them came from a single parent home. And why? I'm not sure, but what I do know is that the Carribbean boys developed (sexually) earlier than the others. They noticed a girl's body parts at 9 years old and openly spoke about what they'd do the girls...and they often were the one's to grope these girls. The rest of us were concerned with pretty faces. The "body thing" didn't happen until later when puberty hit.
I wondered if it was something they saw in the environment. What were the men like with women? Their uncles? Their older cousins? Their DAD'S? Maybe even the music? I say this because 'being a gyalist' or if we call it for what it is...'cheating' was kind of encouraged amongst my black friends. A man that was devoted was regarded as weak and impotent. The REAL man was one that left a litter of kids with several different women.
The REAL man was the one that was irresponsible. Bizarre I know...but those were the facts.
It seems to me that many of the black men want (even demand) stability, but they don't want the very ingredient that creates stability... responsibility. They want their "freedom", but because of this, they never actually grow up and their kids end up hating them hence fractured families hence fractured communities. It's a vicious cycle, sadly.
I don't know. Perhaps "feelings" are more important to them than values.
A friend and I got into a conversation about "being faithful to your partner" and I said that I thought it was incredibly important. He responded with "Yeah, but why should I have to suppress dat?", referring to his sexual impulses. It then occured to me that he had a FUNDAMENTAL problem with 'good impulse control' and considered it wrong and 'unnatural'. Which is of course not true. A man's habits shape his character, and his character will form his destiny/life. So, self control is PARAMOUNT in living A Good Life. He felt that it was his right to fulfill which ever pleasurable whim passed through his body. Of course he wouldn't be so happy if he knew that his gf was complaining about "having to be faithful". Double standard much?
And then there's the badman/roadman aspiration which (if we're honest) is (subtly) enmeshed with the idea of "blackness", where the black boys are always willing (and many times wanting) to act aggressively and violently...at least that's how it was where I grew up. But that's for another conversation.
As a black Caribbean woman who grew up in the Caribbean, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
I recently had a conversation with a 52 y.o. Black man who almost identically said the SAME thing about how I shouldn’t consider him a bad person because he wants what he wants sexually and I shouldn’t be mad at his philandering ways. I told him this: “My job is not to change who you are at your big age as that is a parents job to influence their children hopefully in a positive empowering way. Besides, I’m just your friend I’m not screwing you.” I never even called him a bad person or judged him I just told him that I wanted no parts of that and he got mad because I actually have boundaries and discipline over things of that nature. Like dude you are 52… when are you gonna commit? They never grow up (in regards to a sound steady relationship) many of them hence why you’ll see a plethora of nice, attractive older SINGLE black women like this is what I must choose from? I know that I can date out but right now at 50 and peri menopause I’m taking a breather on these unpredictable interactions. Work and the gym gives me predictable results.
Yes it’s the males !!! The women need to leave these dudes alone!!
Why you speaking on blackness?
@@kaizatengoku3893 what do you mean by "blackness"?
My God im so happy some one finally said it. Loved this conversation. Its constant in Chicago and Its frustrating af talking to some black ppl. I mean we are really fighting for our limitations and it makes no sense in 2024. I
I am a prove that history won't hold you back if you work hard.
I came to the US from Africa 24 years ago. I work hard to get BS in Mechanical Engineering, have worked as an engineer for the last 15 years, bought properties, and put all my kids in private school.
One thing I did when I came to the US was that I moved far away from black community and moved the whitest of the whitest state in the union because I saw how many African American promote poor culture.
You came to the U.S. from Africa? Well, am I shocked you could get more than natural-born Americans. After All, that's why immigrants come to America! 🙄
And the flip side, when US blacks go to Africa, over there they have absolutely no use for the Americans.
Why did that not happen in Africa? No excuse of racism there.
@@Bklyn112 - I bet that your comment gets taken down 😉✌🏽
@@Bklyn112 - BTW, it was an appropriate comment. However, he came to America because South Africa didn't get "Free" until the 90s. And, he couldn't thrive there... Most likely... ✌🏽
Just reading her name I know she’s a Nigerian sister, love Nigerians ❤️❤️
She is absolutely amazing. No nonsense. Be sure to stay tuned for Part 2. She says a whole lot more.
Finally... someone said it. This was excellent.
Well done ladies, so proud of you both. So proud of Ada my Naija Sista!. In addition, the blacks in America need to understand that they are "not African" and this is because, Africans are culturally conservative, Africans are not Woke and Africans are communal. There is a strong sense of accountability and respect to norms within the community such that you are raised and accountable to not only your parents but the community around you. TOU HAVE NO EXCUSE AND CERTAINLY NO REASON TO FAIL
great points
There are still communities of educated, and quietly thriving Black Americans. Seems you haven't had the pleasure of meeting any of them.
Phew... You're looking for trouble with these seriously true facts! 😊
Lmfao then why are all your countries failures? We don’t have to be African becuse your conservative values leads to feed the children commercials.. seriously tell me something Greta about African culture that we would want to be apart of 🤦🏾♂️😭😭
If you don’t like living in America 🇺🇸 why stay. In my experience with non American blacks, they all the same story of dreaming about living in America 🇺🇸. As Americans we NEVER want to live anywhere else but our home country. Please speak about why you left to live with people you don’t agree with their way of living 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
The monolithic people I think frustrates me the most. Whether black or white. We need to put responsibility on *individuals* for their poor actions, not blame an entire group or community
Yea it's getting ridiculous, are black people going to be doing this until the end of time? It's crazy
Yes those born and raised in western countries. I do not see Africans, Caribbean born etc black people having this kind of mindset when they move to western countries
@@simba8665lmfao they are moving to western countries that’s the problem and not developing the shitty ones they have
There’s a “mixed race community?” Where’s the location? I hate when people use community for everything. Sounds like a gang stronghold.
I’m AA, and I agree. I’ve been frustrated my whole life.
My personal opinion is that anyone who is living in a developed country is living in a society that has a massive safety net. Which means you are living better than a lot of other people in this world even if you're poor by your country's standards. You're(we are) so privileged that hearing anyone complain about anything is almost nauseating
Facts
I think I feel the same way - I always mention how I think it’s such a privilege every time I turn on my tap and am able to drink a glass of water. We have infrastructure, we have social services, we have the ability to walk outside and breathe the air (I’m using extremes and I know there are some exceptions etc but in general) I consider those things to be privileges even though I pay into them. It’s almost like the more some people have the more they complain or maybe there’s a lack of gratitude for where we live (I’m Canadian but I still think it applies)
Very ignorant comment. I bet you complained about your job before, but others in the world work harder, longer, with far less pay. WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING? Excepting the status quo will lead to our society never evolving. I always find it amazing that the ones that have the most priviledge always trying to tell the lesser priviledge that they should not complain.
@@user-th5rs4zv4c complaint isn't the way to fix the ills of society. It's action. The reason that all they do is complain is because there in actuality, isn't an action to take. This is nuanced.
@@user-th5rs4zv4cYou believe you're 'less privileged ' even tho you're in the greatest nation on earth. There's your problem right there.
Amazing conversation ladies. Please can you have more of these. The constant excuse-making is draining now. People dont want to look inwards, its easy to blame others and "the system".
I'm convinced that there's nothing you can do for a huge majority of the black community...I have absolutely zero faith in them
That's true. Too many are hell bent on being the worst they can be. No compunction or soul.
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And I am not convinced that those who go to school, work have thriving families are the problem. The dysfunction in the black neighborhood are those who live in a fantasy world that they have created for themselves. Women dancing on poles to get through college because they needed fast big money. And it was ok’d by the black community. Those that spend all their time in a room or basement because they do raps and beats since high school and still are there 12 years later. And down the line that was ok’d by the black community. Then of course you have the drug dealers who would rather destroy the neighborhood. The decent people are the ones at home that have to hide from the dysfunction all around them. They are not the news stories on tv. But the 3 year olds twerking and using profanity are laughed at because it’s cute. At least part of the dysfunctional say their cute. Good people in the black community are never notice unless something unforeseen happens to them. Like a father getting pizza for his family and is shot and killed by the dysfunctional ones in the neighborhood. The black community was destroyed when we started being disrespectful to one another. When the ones out there in the streets started calling the shots.
I think that's harsh, but I see where your frustration is coming from. My fear is society goes too far and strips opportunities from people of all colors who want to better themselves. WE don't get to choose what we're born into. We don't choose single Mom's and the need for welfare and food stamps. But we can help people who want to help themselves. Coming out of poverty myself Pell Grants and Tuition Assistance made all the difference in the world.
I understand your frustration. As a black woman looking at my people on the internet, at times, I am disgusted, upset, annoyed, every negative emotion ALMOST to the point of 8tred. But, my Pops reminded me, there's ignorant people in every culture. Just bcus ours is always on front street don't make them who we all are. Some of them are lost, they only know what they've been around and what they've been told. It's not the majority it's the minority it's just that the minority are always the ones shown and considered to be what black is and how most of us probably think.
I am a black man in America and I will agree with both of you two women 💯% of the way!!!
Your channel is the best TH-cam channel where black and white people can go and have civil discussions about serious topics affecting America & the West. It’s one of the few.
Why white people? They need to worry about their own issues
This is a black channel
While we should always acknowledge history and learn from it no one shouldn’t use it as a shield from personal accountability just use the sword of the present
When young Black children are repeatedly taught about the historical injustices and atrocities inflicted upon their ancestors, without a balanced narrative that also highlights their resilience, achievements, and triumphs, it can inadvertently instill a sense of perpetual victimhood. This narrow focus on oppression can lead them to internalize a narrative that emphasizes their powerlessness and marginalization, rather than empowering them with stories of resistance, creativity, and excellence. As a result, they may develop a mindset that fixates on the injustices of the past, perpetuating a cycle of helplessness and disempowerment. By incorporating a more comprehensive and nuanced approach to teaching history, we can help young Black children develop a stronger sense of self-worth, agency, and purpose, and inspire them to become active participants in shaping a brighter futur
Ive reached the conclusion that integration is the worst thing to happen to blacks in America. Today we blame everything on racism and poverty. Why is it we were more successful, owned businesses and property when we were segregated. We had real communities. Not just black areas where the only businesses are take out, liquor store and hair salons. (Not even owned by us). Where are our banks, insurance companies, hospitals, grocery. How is it we had all that at a time when we were poorer, had less freedoms, and had so little rights. Yet we far wealthier then compared to now. We sold out folks. Thought if only we could be next to whyte folks, like would be grand. So we gave up EVERYTHING, all our self reliance, pride, autonomy BUSINESSES!!! Just to be next to them. Certainly wasn't worth it.
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I really wish more black Americans had this view on the matter. This conversation hit all the right notes.
Thank you so much for saying that. I really appreciate it. Be sure to share the video with your family and friends.
I like Rogan's story about picking up the trash; a practical solution that doesn't involve an argument.
Yup. I did this back in The Bahamas, too. I have to give credit to a coworker of mine who also hates litter and would do this when folks threw trash out of their car. Had I said something to that lady, it could have gotten nasty. I'm not about to argue. I like my surroundings clean. America is my home now. I want her clean.
The excuse for bad behaviour and corruption in Africa is always blamed on colonisation, and in the Western countries, it's because of slavery. Excuse after excuse, it's tiring
the slavery in africa was active and thriving before whites got there, the black african sold other black african for profit. only the british royal navy fought hard to abolish slave trade to americas. sadly, the black american use the colonisation for their own laziness or even incompetence. india was colonized but they dont hide behind excuses, china was so cut of from the global word altogether and thrived later.
south africans were handed from the whites a functioning government, functioning industry, functioning infrastructure, endless resources, a great global standing to cooperate and deal globally and yet, they destroyed the infrastructure, destroyed communities, exploit people, gangs and mobs took over and they are all blacks from south africa. they have electric power cuts all the time and businesses are dying, people steal and threaten others but people are scared to defend themselves or you are not black enough or you dont support your black brothers, meaning the black gang.
Good intv, but pls lose saying "the black community". That's something which has suddenly sprang up and other races are laughing at. 2 billion Indians worldwide, 3 billion Asians worldwide, and a billion Europeans worldwide don't pretend to belong to a big single community. They will only talk of an indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Nepali, Chinese, Vietnamese, Croatian, french, German community within a city. If you live in wallyville, a town of a thousand people made up of various races, you belong to the wallyville community because you have connection to each other. In Kenya Masai, Kikuyu and Swahili don't think they're all a black community. There needs to be some level of connection between people for them to belong to the same community.
Great conversation. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion on a fact, but having an opinion doesn't make it a fact.
Precisely!
Dear Miss Rogan.... I just wanted to tell you that you are a refreshing voice in the wilderness of the issues that face society as a whole, not just Black society. I truly believe that change HAS to come from within. One can tell an alcoholic, for example, that they need to seek help, but they will not seek that help unless they themselves decide to do so. Now, I am not Black (unless you count my surname which is German for Black Forest, but I am a firm believer that to change this situation, it will take more Black people to stand up and say "NO MORE"
BTW, I think you are sooo beautiful in your spirit, your intellect, and of course, your countenance.
Thank you so much, Bob. What a cool last name! I love it. (Sorry, I couldn't resist). Thank you so much for your kind words. You are absolutely spot on. The change has to come from within. The person has to help himself. I am very big on accountability and I am introspective. When things go wrong in my life, my first response is to question the part I played and consider how I could have operated differently. My family members are the same. Tons of self-exploration. Maybe that's why I have a low tolerance for excuses. But, thank you so much for weighing in on the conversation.
Haven't watched the video yet (I'm about to!) but my mentor told me "Excuses only satisfy he who makes them."
My family was extremely poor. We grew up in a trailer park in rural Georgia . All me and my sisters did was pay attention in school and work hard at whichever jobs we had. Now we all make six figures per year.
Never felt sorry for ourselves. Never made excuses. Excuses and blaming does not put food on the table. My philosophy has always been "Nobody is strong enough to hold me down."
Congratulations to you and your siblings. I am very proud of you all. I love success stories like this. Way to go!
Were you and your siblings ever taken advantage of due to your willingness to work? If so, how did you deal with it? I have struggled in recent years to gain steady employment, and it seems to be a vanishingly rare thing to be employed steadily at a good employer. Talking with other people, including a former coworker, I've seen that even getting the interview is harder and harder. Are we seeing things that aren't there?
I absolutely agree! I'm sick of the excuses. Self sufficiency, accepting responsibility for ourselves and calling folks out, when necessary, are key components of getting it together.
I love when your guest touched on monolithic thoughts of blackness. I hear so many intelligent ppl on podcasts who spend a whole “deconstructing” someone else’s podcast who they don’t agree with. We all have opinions on how to get to the Promised Land. One person’s thoughts on how to get there are just as valid as the next.
I do believe racism exists but I don’t believe in settling for victim hood.
Thank you. I absolutely agree. You said it best. There is more than one way to get to the promised land.
I am just a white girl man, but lemme tell you: this was so educational and even changed a lot of views I’ve have about poverty and within my damn self- without being in the black community. Thank you both!!! This is why I love this channel ❤️
Yay, so happy to see Ada on your channel. ❤️
Watched till the end n i loved it. These women were so beautiful n so smart. As ah black man born in Washington dc i loved the solutions. I just think these women fail to realize that these things have been done. When u have so many systemic ways to plow over these things, including to get you, our own brethren to discredit blk Americans its no competition. We will never flee tho
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What we can do is treat Everyone - no matter what their race, religion, nationality or gender, with a smile and respect. Listen to them and avoid "Gremlins" that try to disrupt the peace
I am not black but was thinking about this situation. I come from a white working class family. I have done ok in life. I remember people in my family almost holding me back with their perception of what their identity should be, and where and who I should socialising with. My father was a good man and my mothers father said he was not a real man because he didn’t want to go to the pub on Sunday, while the women were making Sunday lunch and looking after the children.
I can’t help seeing the same problems if you replace the upper class with white people in this arguments. The struggle seems strangely similar. It’s like the group wants to blame someone else and when someone tries to change their situation the group put them down and doesn’t want them to be successful, i think maybe because it reflects on their own lack of ambition and the pain of their own failure.
Don’t be your own worst enemy, your future is in your hands. Blaming someone else for your failures, take responsibility for your own successes.
I am so hyped for part 2! This video flew by it was sooooo good, Ro and Ada, Y'all did that! love your content!
Thank you so much!! I can't wait to put it out.
What a wonderfully intellectual and truthful conversation this was!!! Much enjoyed! Looking forward to part2. Greetings from the Netherlands ❤
I agree with everything you said...I am Black and I can't stand this culture of excuses! My Dad grew up in a poor house in teh Great Depression, Back in the day he had real Discrimination to overcome...He worked his way through school while him Mom literally scrubbed floors! He became a Doctor ..and I grew up with privelages only money can buy....I have made stupid mistakes in my life but I was always able to build my life up again. NOw I live in Germany and work at a German company, Learned German fluently at 40 and no one can tell me that you can't just because of your skin color! It is 100% the culture of the American getto that has made people believe they can't make ot or white people are opressing them...Back in my fathers day, maybe but he still made it! In out modern world it is solely on your shoulders to change your life...and getto culture is not going to help you! Love to talk more to you about it. Hit me up!
Real discrimination?
Excellent, simple and straight to the point.
I work at a big fancy liquor and wine store. One time i was the closing cashier and these two black men came in like 3 minutes before we closed. Now, in my state, you cannot sell alcohol after 9pm (in a store, bars are different), and these men literally walked in at 8:57 about. They wanted some really expensive champagne, but unfortunately, we couldn't do the transaction in time. My manager told them that we couldn't make the sale and these men threw a tantrum and swore at me and my manager. Before they left, they made sure to call or store racist because we wouldn't let them buy it. Mind you, I AM BLACK. It was so ridiculous.
As a person who grew up in The Bronx I’d love to join this conversation
Well, this was a good conversation. Thank you!
I see all the comments about how you immigrants work hard in other ppls countries but don't work hard to make your places of birth a better place to live. How is it that you come to the US and UK and complain about what other ppl do in their country but don't have an issue with the crime and corruption that happens in your homeland? Why is that? If you are not willing to risk all you have for the betterment of your Caribbean/African homes then what right do you have to criticize black people here in the state who have sacrificed for their children's children future? You both sound ridiculous talking nonsince on land you didn't spill blood for or have any invested interest. I assume you are a religious person from the cross around your neck so take some advice from the beautiful word Matthew 7:3 and I hope that helps you both.
You do know there are millions of people across the Caribbean and on the continent of Africa working hard to make their country successful, right? My country isn't a failure. My not being there didn't make it crumble. When I lived there I made a contribution. Now that I am here in the US, I am determined to make a contribution here, too. Why is it that anytime an immigrant makes any type of critique the first thing they are met with is either "go back to your country" or "why didn't you stay there to fix your problems?" All you're saying is, "shut up and stop holding a mirror to my face." Unless you are a US soldier or in combat, you didn't spill blood for this land either. Your ancestors did.
@@ThisBahamianGyalrespectfully. I think he’s saying if you’re going to call yourself “contributing” that doesn’t give you the right to disparage others.
@@ThisBahamianGyal girl this like your 5th video on black people in America. I been to the Bahamas when I was a teen. Some of the women there were so rude to me, I know it was because I was an American girl.
Omg thank you so much for mentioning mixed people and how hard it can be for them. I tease my close mixed friends (no malevolence) and tell them they are crazy because of the push and pull they have to deal with.
You two are spot on with this issue,it’s all about accountability and responsibility, it doesn’t matter what’s your race, thank you for this video
You are so welcome! Thank you for watching!
Great conversation ladies. Looking forward to part 2.
It just doesn’t make sense to group all black people into one big blackness and say “the black community” we are too ethnically diverse and have different ways of thinking.. I think that’s the problem we all need our own representation whether it’s Black Americans, Jamaicans, Haitians etc… I just don’t get why we keep having this “Black community” discussion when clearly we all don’t view each other as a community which is ok… community’s can build but why do we keep trynna force it?
Yup. I don't rock with that idea of allying myself with someone just because we share the skin color that's been designated 'black'.
I'd much rather partner with someone who 'thinks' like me.
Most black people group whites as one.
B A. Have to stand alone because we the only ones fighting for better treatment for our communities while other blk groups think we complaining no appreciation for the history or the fight of Blk American ancestors.
@@Geez8ball378 Say it louder for the people in the back buddy… That’s my problem with a lot of these “black community” convos seems like a chance for the rest of the diaspora to say how and wat they really feel bout BA.. I rarely hear them denigrate their homelands only talk about the problems with BA
100% agree with you both, bahamian girl you keep coming with the wisdom each time. Black people in both America and Uk need to start taking accountability. How can you say violence occuring between black youth because there are no more youth clubs. Only coming togethet when its time to accuse the white man of Atrocities. But then we tear down each other time and time again.
people treat the world like its their personal garbage can. i love this conversation, thank you
i am tired of the false accusations of racism, but i would NEVER turn a blind eye to actual racism. i really do still care and always will. because i've seen a lot of racism towards white people lately and it would be hypocritical and frankly horrible of me to care about that but not racism towards anyone else. i have always cared about that towards anyone and i call it out when i see it. we shouldn't stop caring bc some crazy people ONLINE, not even in real life, call white people derogatory terms or accuse us of horrible things. that isn't every black person and i'm not about to act like it is. if you do, think again or go outside and talk to a black person face to face. the internet is so sketchy and vitriolic, most people online are weird and have extreme views, and a lot of the posts you read are manufactured rage bait and has been for a while, especially a few years ago. but it still happens. love everyone and treat people how you wanna be treated despite what some people may do to you.
So much I want to say, but to keep it short, I'll agree that I'm also glad these conversations are coming up more.
I am, too. We need more constructive conversations. Thanks for watching.
This is a great conversation, and I definitely think these conversations should be held more often and more openly. I'm glad to see more Black people speaking up on the perpetual excuses and nonsense permeating the minds of so many people in our community. Regardless of where you come from, or the difficulties you've faced, you still have a choice.
You are a refreshing voice on these issues. So glad I came across your channel.
Truth is there is colorism, racism, despaired treatment in every aspect of the black experience. We do the best we can to overcome some of us will do better than others but we must keep trying!
I wish black people would remember that in the immediate decade after slavery was abolished in the usa, black people were wealthy and enjoying the good life. racism weren't stopping them then. why now?
That is an EXCELLENT observation. They were thriving. So, why not now?
Very true
There is a bit of a history gap there... Reconstruction accounts for the first decade... the federal government literally kept troops in the South for 12 years to protect Black people. But when that was withdrawn in 1877, civil rights were in essence taken away until 1965 in many parts of the country. It is also important to realize: as it is now, there are rich Black people, but that has never been a majority, nor can it be. My ancestors contributed between $14-20 TRILLION in free labor before 1865, and before then received none of that. I consider it my calling to get what I can on the interest of that, but just understand: if your family came later than 1865, you too stand on the foundation my ancestors laid. At least learn the relevant history.
@@ThisBahamianGyal Church attendance was higher then .....the government pushed feminism ,and pushed women into the job force to compete with men for jobs .....often black women were still at home raising children ..and then getting federal social money as aid {making them dependent on the government and not men}
Lmfao where is your proof of this history because after slavery immediately was the share cropping era then there was the civil rights movement so where in history where all these rich black families
Nobody wants to admit it so I will. On average, we have a higher propensity for violence and
criminal behavior. And i don't believe its due to one parent homes either. One person with the right love and values can do it.
Lack of self-awareness and accountability.
Bravo that's a beautiful conversation. Two articulate and brilliant sisters. We need such conversation. Thank you
Thanks for listening/watching.
You're rolling with the UK Candace Owen - good to truly see you ma'am
I know I can’t really speak to this topic. But I’m really happy to hear the discussions being held. ❤ What I do know from personal experience is, I saw lots of alcoholism and abuse in my rural southern US trailer park growing up. And it cycled through generation after generation. People just accepted it was the way it was. And I’m so glad I broke the cycle for my own marriage and our children moving forward. It’s not easy breaking generational curses. But worth the work. ❤
The culture needs healing , It is spiritual.
If that’s the case, it should have been healed a long time ago. All the BC seem to do is pray pray pray and have nothing to show for it. The issue is behavioral. It’s a lack of good moral character and the fact that we lack a culture to support it. For example, why do we allow our young boys to literally walk around looking like criminals in ski masks, hoodies, sagging pants. I see young black men on the DC metro all the time with their electronic monitoring bracelets on and they have ZERO shame about it. 🤷🏾♂️
In my classes on Black psychology, I point out some of these issues and it is so difficult to change the victim narrative the students come in with. This conversation is good, but we need to also make the distinction between the pathology of the men and the pathology of the women. They are drastically different.
I love it. The first comment I see is I'm a white guy. You are not the first to look black but identify as another race. What did black people do to have you talking about us. Excuses? Millions and millions of black people go to work every day. Despite all that's against us. Basically, you're saying when something is racist, we should ignore it. My black people is the one's that made it so you can be free to live your life. You're basically saying you agree with the racist. In the black culture we have a name for that.
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I agree with you 100% things may not be perfect, but what I love about this country is you can be successful once you put in the work. You can not sit on the corner and expect everything to fall in your lap.
Thank you. Great things come to those who hustle. They're not gonna just fall in your lap.
I love your video today and it really needed to be Brought to light. I am a captain in the boating industry. I'm back-and-forth from the US to the Bahamas. I myself as a black captain, Experience the same amount of hostility and racism between my black and white s Associates..
Maybe you're just not a nice person who always goes around looking to be offended.
You could be experiencing jealousy
You both are beautiful and powerful voices of reason!
Ada really was incredible. You should see her on other platforms. The girl is fire.