New Update Gives ONWARD New Life, But is it Enough?
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The classic story of studios being acquired by Meta and only going downhill from there, at least Onward didn't suffer the fate of Echo Arena, doesn't seem like Meta is capable of managing game studios and it is sad to see how little has been achieved by them software wise despite the amazing capabilities of VR.
Yup.
You never know :/ still could
Meta buys studios and half the crew leaves and the rest of the crew gets absorbed into the metaverse project to make small gamelettes on Horizon. There's a reason all the studios Meta bought were never heard from again.
This update is actually a good counter to the story. I had doubt after 1.11 when they said they fixed a bunch of things but went silent for a while, but they just released this update, have a bunch of stuff on the horizons, and also had the quest 1 dropped, so they have a lot more headroom here on forward.
Game studios that get acquired by large companies only go downhill. I can't think of an exclusion.
A single player campaign would be a great addition. Having a story to the game and start building on the lore of onward would be something id love to see.
Or have missions like doorkickers 2 where you go in and clear out places either buy yourself or with friends. Quick fast tactical assaults really use the game to the fullest
Agreed! Unfortunately we're not likely to ever see it. TAVR and Geronimo will have to fill that niche.
Lore? Kill bad guys. There's your lore. Wtf
Lore is crazy 💀 it’s a Milsim pvp vr shooter not cod mw3 bro
Would be great to have a "state of tactical VR 2023" with a recap of various games and relative pros and cons if you think that would be the sort of thing you'd be interested in doing.
Good call. I'll do something like that after we get hands on Geronimo.
I would watch that video !
@@ControlledPairsGamingcan't fucking wait man!
@@ControlledPairsGaming Please do. I just got a headset and the last time I looked at tactical shooters was back when Onward was just released.
i dont want to be too much of a downer but meta probably acquired the onward dev team for their vr tracking and animation ip and experience for the metaverse project and just let them work on onward as a concession
Certainly seems possible.
Onward never had very good animations, don't know if anyone on the team is any good at that.
I was a huge fan of Onward and remember being hyped for the 1.8 update because the dev descriptions in the leadup did not make it sound like it would be a downgrade at all. At this point even though it feels smooth to play, I just feel like it's very far behind other VR shooters in so many details that should be better by now. Contractors and Ghosts of Tabor have full body IK, weapons that collide with the environment, hand poses that mean your in-game hands actually grab charging handles etc. etc. I could go on. At this point I'm putting most of my eggs in the Geronimo basket even though it's a very small dev team.
Same. Can’t wait when they be ready to release their game :)
RIP 1.7
Tavr my dude, best we have for now.
Excellent commentary that really nailed it on the head. Its almost a tradgedy that Meta killed a game with so much potential. The optimisations alone that make this such a large scall crossplay experience thats smooth for quest users alone is so impressive. Could you imagine that in GoT?
Yooo he still plays
Nope. Waiting for Geronimo lol.
Ayyy ditch, and yes Geronimo will always be 1
@@monsterb2164🫡
Do I need a pcvr setup if I have a Quest 2?
The New Update is fantastic. Every match of Firefight feels different, good video Pairs!
I just played onward VR and I love the realism and the fact that you get to work with your teammates well yes there are little kids in this game I have found some pretty chill people in this lobby and they gave me some advice on how the game works I love this game and I hope we still get more content or even a single player campaign mode heck maybe even a sequel which will be really cool with more improvements this game is so much fun and I can't stop playing it
10:20 "Giant 12 player lobbies" kinda sad cause before they got bought out by meta they were aiming for 16 player lobbies on all gamemodes
Everyone says it got bad because they ported to quest, but that's not true. It's because of how they ported to quest. There are plenty of other pc vr games that also ported to quest and didn't compromise their pc vr versions in the process. Bad decisions by a developer that wanted to take the easy way out.
Yea it makes no sense, all the other games are separated and have no issue with allowing differing client-side graphical options, even in ones with cross play. Imagine that, what a waste.
I would love to say an engine change is cool but it is not a noticeable graphical difference (imo) and I think they could have made actual improvements instead like addition of extended magazines, more optics for every weapon, a setting that lets you change your night vision color, or laser colors. But honestly none of those happened along with messing with every workshop map (they’re mostly broken rn). I remain a large fan of the game just some honest points of criticism.
Don't worry man, were working on fixing them! (The maps). Most/All custom maps that have a unknown creator are maps that haven't been claimed and updated once Onward updated to 1.8. They're most likely broken right now because of the Unity update. You can expect most : Unknown creator map to get removed from the workshop as there is no one to update them. Although broken maps with a known creator will be fixed very soon by their creators. My maps were luckily perfectly fine when Onward was updated to 1.12 :)
I love this update because it just forces you to use small unit tactics and coordinating with your other fireteam. Most of the players are often children, but there's just a small portion of good team guys that I could choose in this game to slay bodies with. Just five minutes ago, just had a few random dudes together and all three of us won 4 maps in a row by using small unit tactics and just communication. Keep it up dude, learned it from you.
I'm loving it too I was made to actually work with both teams and despite having a younger player on our team as our corpsman he did well and we even got an ambush that wiped out all the enemy team it was a great time
Despite everything, I still enjoy Onward, though I admittedly came to it late on Quest. It’s tactical enough to be fun, but forgiving enough to appeal to my civilian level of experience. That said, I spend a good 5-10 minutes trying to find a PVE game without “squeakers” and even the adults generally have no idea what they’re doing. Some of the only people I can reliably work with are, ironically, active or former military, because I speak their language-in large part thanks to this channel. People have constantly asked if I’m a veteran simply because I know a thing or two. What I believe Onward needs, possibly above all else, is a bit of gatekeeping within the community.
I've been making suggestions in the onward discord for years in relation to the co-op experience.
Most frustrating to me with THIS UPDATE, is that I've made a suggestion multiple times about making an objective based co-op mode, where you find and upload the uplink, and then have to extract via the helicopter from the evac mode. In effect, combining elements from the uplink PvP mode and evac from the co-op mode. So what did they do? They took my idea for a co-op mode, changed it a little bit by adding the drive, and turned it into a PVP mode.
The fact they couldn't even manage to just add this gameplay element to co-op, even with all the assets and systems in place to do so, just feels like a big middle finger to all the players that hop on onward for the PvE gameplay. Guess I'll be sticking to TAVR and eventually Geronimo when it comes out.
I think the limiting factor is the AI. AI development is difficult, and the AI in Onward is underwhelming.
@@ControlledPairsGaming I agree that the AI is one of the issues, but it's not exclusive to Onward. It's a symptom of a lot of these shooters being developed by smaller studios with less resources. However, you are able to look past it in something like TAVR, because you have a defined objective. The enemy AI is there to impede you. They aren't the objective in themselves like they are in the Hunt mode in Onward. When the only objective is to shoot the AI, and that AI is a dumb aimbot, you either kill them in droves as they funnel through your kill zone, or you get killed and it feels cheap because the AI spawned behind you, or they hit you from across the map with a single burst from an AK.
Having an objective to work towards, switches your thinking. It's not just you against the AI, but you getting to the objective in a tactically sound manner. Even if you didn't encounter a single enemy, or you didn't engage and end up not firing a single shot, it would still be a fun experience, because you used solid tactics to get the mission done. Without an objective, it's just a shooting gallery. Running around the map aimlessly looking for bots that either stand around after spawning, or patrol randomly.
The update is cool but like every time when I first log on the game is like 1 frame every 10 seconds and then I have to restart the game and then I’m good.
I experienced performance issues with this update as well. Had to dial down graphics to medium/high.
@@ControlledPairsGaming can you do that on quest?
I like the feel of Contractors VR. It feels like Call of Duty but in VR, while onward feels more tacsim I don't like the combination of long time between action and VR, because I can't stay in VR for long, so it's the faster time to action that I like in Contractors and I can't stand the bullet sponge in Pavlov. Contractors feels great too.
because vr too heavy now， if very light in future just like ar glasses，I think battlefield become vr also a good way.😂
@@xiaoteng666 true true
I just go dmr with suppressor in Pavlov, one shot one kill with headshots
I still love Onward, whether you wanna say it is the best hard core milsim or not I dont know, but I still have the most fun playing Onward over any other VR shooter...
8:40 my man was struggling
Ive not played onward in so long and it was one if the first few games i ever played in vr, on q2. I only started wanting to check it out again because i saw this mercenaries teaser, which sounds badass, and im hoping the updatell be good enough to make me want to play it on quest. But this video and seeing the sneak peak has made me want to buy it on pc, since i got a good one for gaming, it seems like itd be alot better on there
Hopefully next step is full body but maybe a setting for it
VR is perfect for such tactical games. In our modern crazy world some skills may be even useful. So i personally don't take seriously any other shooters games style.
i think they also need to add quality to life things like mag folding or full body
Full body in my opinion is a MUST HAVE for every VR game. It adds immersion, and it lets you know what parts of your body arent in cover.
My right controller stopped allowing me to 360° rotate while I’m holding my gun or rifle since 1.12. 1.11 worked fine. The rotation 360 degrees works fine in all other games, but onward has stopped.
3 months later: New update slaps lol
That intro, Jesus, it was awesome.
"this is russian CQB!" lol
Can confirm, it is not enough.
New update feels amazing, and the future looks super bright!
One problem I have about the new game mode are the very odd spawns where yo can basically spawn peak an enemy fireteam
As a child that doesn't even have the game this sucks cause if other kids don't care about the tactical then there's gonna be no tactical vr gun games.
As an early content tester and somebody who was heavily involved with beta map testing, I have noticed that the engergy that Dante Buckley brought to this project is gone. The love is gone. This latest Fire Fight mode is fantastic. This is the kind of thing we needed years ago.
If they keep up this pace, Onward's time is limited. Even the lizard man himself said he would love to see Onward 2 on Quest 3.
Onward definitely is not what it could have been. But given what it is you can gain quite a bit of experience and have some fun at it as well.
I played this regularily until quest port downgrade, i had given up on updates after a few disapointments, from your video it still doesnt look great and not tempted to come back. It wasnt just the graphical downgrade the change in player base dragged it down too. Very sad
If Meta don't care about PCVR then why did they develop Quest Link? Also, the 7th Nov upgrade is excellent.
Because they don’t make a percentage of the sale for PCVR games.
Main 2 things I see that need to be fixed in this game is hand moving to charging handle on gun and not just floating and the graphics going back to what they were before quest. Idk why they didn’t just do what Pavlov did and make 2 separate versions.
That M240 is hot. Might redownload the game literally just to use that
They were so close too!
Let’s hope those that have been laid off jump on board with Geronimo and we get the true Milsim we want and deserve and that they deserve to create
If Tom segura is reading this, you should try Squad
Your defense of the downgrade doesn't consider the fact that the Quest 2 version is still a different version from the PC release. There is *literally zero* reason for the PC version to have reduced textures and lighting. Both versions can have completely different visuals without breaking cross play
Dude I miss this game I haven’t played it in like a year
Honestly I'll never trust the studio again. This game made me want VR in the first place, only for it to get lobotomized when i finally could get VR
I believe Meta, and their quest to conquer VR is ruining VR as a whole. PCVR should be growing not dwindling. That has to do with the games. Even Sony has a part in killing it. Resident Evil in VR is only available to PSVR, and so many exclusive titles. While PC is stuck with indie devs, which wouldn't be a bad thing if indie studios could make games fast. Unfortunately that's impossible due to team sizes and budgets. And rare acceptations like H3VR and Blade & Sorcery stand on top. People get tired of playing unfinished games, and that's unfortunately a result of a lack of AAA games coming to PCVR.
This game has so much potential, it’s a shame that it’s not being developed more.
Its being heavily developed man
Literally took 8 minutes to get into the update.
Are the graphics on Quest 2 and quest 3, and pcvr in this game exactly the same?
The dev announced new graphics for Quest 3. Do you know what's in that graphics updates? Is it still same ones on quest 2?
Is Onward still playable on Quest 1 ?
They should at least fix the god damn gun stock calibration, so that it doesn't brake every time you do it.
Way to spray and pray, dude.
Never....EVER....shoot at Doc
I play vrml and vrel for onward and I wish this game was as good as I see it. Thanks for the video, can’t wait for the next game like this.
Love it or hate it, honestly Meta and in turn the Quest headsets, have propelled VR into the public and (as you mentioned) made it far more accessible. If you look at these games and compare the PCVR lobbies/player base to the Quest lobbies/player base, literally Quest players are keeping many of these titles alive as a majority of the player base are from the Quest.
So while I understand the sentiment PCVR exclusive players have towards the mobile VR gamers, at the end of the day VR would still be were we seen it in 2017-2018 as this super niche thing that only the people with power house PC's could enjoy. Mobile VR is the future of VR, PCVR wont be going anywhere, but mobile VR (quest) will be keeping VR alive and evolving going forward long into the future.
I suspect both segments will grow, just as mobile gaming has grown alongside consoles and PC.
There are far more mobile game enjoyers than there are console players. There are more console players than PC players. And yes, there will always be more mobile VR players than PCVR players.
PC has always and will likely remain the superior platform for gaming. But it is cost prohibitive and technically tedious to dive in.
That's why consoles and quest exist, to provide acceptable but unremarkable gaming experience for a casual audience.
I prefer quality over quantity. It's better to have 3 lobbies with mature players than 10 lobbies with squeaky kids
It's kind of weird that in flat gaming, people recognize smartphone gaming is inherently very different from PC/console gaming. They're entirely different gaming realms. Yet in VR, the smartphone chipset in the Quest 2 is expected to play the very same games as PC/console VR headsets. Just with reduced graphical fidelity. And that's kind of nuts. The differences go well beyond just graphics. At some point, mobile VR and PC/console VR need to part ways to have their own games that aren't trying to cross between them. Because you just end up playing a smartphone game on your PC.
They need to make insurgency sandstorm into a vr game. An onward 2
i bought the VR version of this game without even knowing it has a PCVR, they should let me access both . oh well, not paying for the same game twice
I just tried it on Quest 3 today abd graphic ls are terrible. Desperately needs a graphical update.
On got a quest 2 for Xmas (yesterday) and bought onward, love how it feels as a cod fan in console, what other fps games would you recommend to a new vr player?
Pavlov and Contractors
I don’t understand why we still have early gwot attachments and whatnot. Where’s my NGAL 😭
They need to bring this game to the psvr2
they reduced graphics beyond what was neccesary. it went from good looking to deformed and ugly. The things just dont look right. + I absolutely hate not seeing my arms, not beign able to see my arms confuses the fuck out of me for some reason and screws up the way I hold my rifle.
onword is a decent game even if the graphics are bad, i realy dont care as long as the gameplay is good
As soon as I heard "layoffs", yeah, it's dead
Want to buy the quest 3 but in that case I don’t support meta in any shape and form.
Did he say “giant 12 player lobbies”? What in the 1999 is he on about?
That's big for VR. Especially mobile. Especially Onward. Sad but true.
@@ControlledPairsGamingcontractorsVR has 16 player lobbies.
just bring back PCVR onward!!
Onward Is Like Pavlov
I saw this REALLY hoping Onward changed enough that it pushed that little bit in me to buy it but now I think i'm just going to focus on waiting on Geronimo, Onward has so much potential but god has it been a while since i've heard enough good about it
They need to add gore
I’m a quest player and now I feel bad
Thank for your pronouncing 240L properly.
Heard a TH-camr say "Em two hundred forty el" once and almost screamed.
Almost as bad as people that say "em-kay" for Mk designated systems 🤦🏼😭
yeah when i finally got a oculus quest 2 heeadset i though what happend to my game?? thisisnt what it shows on youtube
For some reason, I can’t launch onward on my PC
Onward is a great sim game on Vr...
I understand the decision to get aquired by meta but they handled it poorly their was no reason to force PC vr user to use quest graphics preset they could of made it separate and have the graphics client sided so quest and pcvr will see things different then others
Best game ever imo. I hope it continues to improve
Well, that's depressing. I was wondering Why is not growing. I think is the best fps VR out there. It's so easy to kill someone.
Waiting for Geronimo for good COOP tactical FPS
RIP 1.7
RIP.
It was a good run.
I have the Quest 1 and they had stopped support some time in late July
I couldn't understand why i couldn't even go on single player, but this all makes sense now
well if you make a game studio and here comes along a big company and offer you so much money that you never have to work again. would you not sell your Studio. i know that i would!
I still love this game, the ttk is great but a couple weeks ago i could find one in the chamber games etc all day, last 2 nights its been DEAD
This will probably get buried but…my most enjoyable onward experience involved a combat medic, a secret service member, and an ex sniper. All of them played so different and taught me their tactics and told me the basics. I will never have as much fun as I did with those three and I hope others had the pleasure of meeting them.
Is that a mod? I cant find any of them
No those were their jobs irl
Servers are so dead now. Before the update vip and uplink had usually 1.5 pages up for servers. Now I’m lucky if a single server is up.
Give us better maps. Larger maps, upgrade the player count to 12 per side and let’s and conquest
I heard they added some graphical updates this update, have you noticed any better graphics?
Yup. On PCVR game looks much better. And character models are crisp. You can also adjust graphics and get some great results.
Anyone got a fix for controller that moves by itself
My issue was that I had too many reflective surfaces (windows, mirrors, paintings behind glass etc.) in the room. Nowadays if I play VR, I cover most of these
@@OhertRasmus I'm thinking they add some JJ Abrams Lens Flares everywhere. Jk
I'm hopeful TAVR gets more content, and I'm hopeful for Geronimo. I can't stand by that game though until it actually releases something
Solid TAVR update today!
:0 @@ControlledPairsGaming
I would play on pcVr but my computer is terrible
they could also fix performance on PC
maybe
Yeah. Been Rough. Had to dial down graphics to high/medium
it sucks havent played this game for 3yrs now cause of the change downgrading pc vr. onward would still be the best looking fps out and i wish they would have made mode like ghost of tabor\eft man onward would be the right game to do this in
we are in 2023 and they still haven't figured how to make the player models move and look in an even remotely realistic way.
it just look so silly that I can't take this game seriously...
It’s bullshit that Quest Onward has bad graphics even though it can run better graphics then that.
Honestly, what if they added a tutorial where it teaches you the basics, and breaching rooms and areas, maybe even hand signals?
Well there's no doors in Onward so there's that.
There is a tutorial teaching you the basics
Can you play breaches VR great qcb
I have! It's pretty arcadey but an excellent game all the same.
I loved the new update
Sad that their new game is gonna be a battle royale
Whoooo, now ask for doors 😂
It is good, it is fun, why do you so desperatly want to change it?? That urge to always want more. It's a disease.
I was there
Love your videos! Just tried to join the discord but the like expired
Pc looks so good