@@steffdia7080 it's gotten quieter over the years, monitor heat sinks were jet engines only a couple of years ago. If I can't hear the mosquito behind my HVAC then I don't care.
The holy noises every time 240Hz was mentioned has me cracking up. I use a G7, which has a 240Hz 1440p native display and I can say that it's absolutely amazing. To see how clear and smooth the UFO test is mind-blowing. This thing already has fairly low pixel rates, I cannot wait to get a 240Hz OLED that has instantaneous pixel response times
yeah that halo sound was just soooo annoying.... i mean ... REALLY!!?!? ... didnt come by this video for glory sounds ... i came to watch content that gave me info... and that info was hard enough already with the accent... but this halo shit ... ArGhaRgH!
That HDR washed-out issue is caused by the Nvidia graphic card drive. I have bothered by this bug for a long time. The solution is clean install the graphic drive.
If you put VLC in fullscreen (not maximize the window) it should display the proper HDR as Windows bypasses some of the composting with all the other windows that would be visible otherwise
@Steve Lhomme: We have tried that. Strangely enough, in full-screen mode, it's permanently fixed in the wrong transfer function, and doesn't even flicker in and out of HDR.
The UFO test was really done wrong, you should try to perform it correctly following the blur busters' recommendations which would really showcase the difference between the different screens. All you have to do is take a picture of the UFO while tracking it at equal speed, with the shutter speed set to 1/(refresh rate/4). Oh well, the video was pretty good at showcasing the screen's picture quality capabilities anyway, as always :)
I hope Things get better fast, as this laptop oled 8 bit depth panel and PMW flicker are a no go for me, add the fact the HDR mode does not even work, and lack of G-Sync just shows this is a beta product meant for sucker whales!
@@Frencho9 gsync is a useless invention. You pay for a hardware u don't need. If u have freesync u can enable gsync through win 10 or 11 using Nvidia driver. Also u can use both AMD Nvidia gpu on it.
I’ve owned this laptop for about 3 weeks and I’m glad to see I’m not crazy in thinking this was the best gaming display I could possibly play on at this moment. Halo 3 at 240FPS is otherworldly! Kudos to Samsung Display.
@@lakibadhikari7930 Nope, Samsung Display makes the QHD 240Hz OLED screen for the laptop as well as the Alienware 34” AW3423DW QD-OLED 175Hz ultra-wide monitor.
Thanks Vincent, amazing amazing detail on this video. Really awesome to see the advantages of 240Hz OLED in motion clarity - which is really the next horizon in overall picture quality, especially for moving content. Actually seeing you trying out games and netflix and going into the pros and cons is super helpful. Hopefully this also helps prompt NVIDIA and Microsoft to get HDR working more seamlessly on windows games. I use a 55" C1 to play PC games on an RTX 3080 and the experience is a little bit finnicky - GeForce recording software doesn't work at all and when changing from HDR to SDR the screen input flickers several times. Also HDR looks washed out when playing Elden Ring and Halo Infinite. The display tries to use a weird 4096x2160 resolution resulting in a cropped image so you have to go in and remove that resolution output from the driver using a custom too, which you then have to remember to do every time you update your graphics drivers. haven't quite figured it all out yet.
I've been using a LGX as my PC gaming monitor. Small incremental brightness improvements aren't enough for me to upgrade, but I would definitely upgrade from 4k@120hz to 4k@240hz.
@@whatsuphelp I mostly play older games, or competitive games optimized for FPS over eye candy, so my 3090 can handle most of them at 4k240, and with VRR it wouldn't have to be consistent solid 240 fps to gain signficant benefit.
@@whatsuphelp By the time there are OLED 4k@240hz displays, there will be graphics cards capable of rendering that much bandwidth, as we're likely to see that kind of monitor in 4-6 years, so 60-70 series graphics cards.
@@Eliteownage No it can't unless you have a top CPU and memory with high speed and low timings. 3090 barely handles 4K120 in newer and demanding games you will get 60 fps or so unless you gimp the graphics. RGB OLED for gaming monitor = burn in for sure unless you put brightness on 25-50%
Compare this review to ANY else review of this Screen/Laptop. THIS is simple UNMATCHED WORLDWIDE. Others should book u vincend. Just fantastic. Only u answer special pro questions customers need to make a decision. Im impressed and thank u for being such a nerd. My thumbs up and respect belongs to u. (like in the past)
I want it so bad, but in a 27-32 inch monitor instead please! So frustrating those sized monitors are the ones with no high refresh OLED options yet still!
@@Uncle_Fred if they can make 1440p in 15" size then what keeps them from making VR goggles in 1080p/lower sizes? Even just display goggles, no motion tracking etc. No anti-glare, peak brightness can be lowered bcs closer to eyes - win win scenario.
1440p is max, because otherwise it is impossible to reach 240fps, I have LG C2 which is 4K and I cannot play games, Cyberpunk is like 40 fps with DLSS Quality and RTX settings with 3080 ti, I will wait until RTX 4090 with gaming
give madVR a try for HDR testing. it is using the AMD or nvidia private API instead of the microsoft API. yes it is pretty broken on win 11 but it should still work with default settings. win 11 has generally HDR issues depending on the version it got so bad that i had to stop using it and i'm usually testing madVR and such on win 11 a lot.
I use a 55 C9 as a gaming monitor, and for me, it's superb, the motion clarity is amazing with g sync + 120Hz + 117fps cap + zero ghosting, and with 120Hz BFI is even better, but only works sometimes. My dream, is a 240Hz OLED monitor with BFI, at this point and cant get back to LCD, even the ViewSonic strobed 240Hz monitor has some ghosting and crosstalk, due to LCDs gtg limitations.
After examining this is quite an impressive display. Would be good for photography, because of the new Sigma FP pro which is capable of 240 fps video you could genuinely watch it at 240 hz. Only issue is with LAPTOP display limited amount of customizable parameter available, thus user will have to look to software suite to see if it will accommodate their prerequisites / preference. This is the first accessible PC I've considered buying, although there is no possibility it will replace desktop outright
The holy grail must surely be a 240hz qd oled with g-sync and dolby vision (I would also add over 1000 nits of peak brightness but I think that would require a different technology)
Well you can't (and it'll likely stay that way) use Dolby Vision on PC anyway, so you probably want HDR10+ Gaming instead (which Nvidia has committed to), whenever Nvidia (and the competition) finally finish drivers for it.
@@snowwsquire Not for apps (excluding professional apps) and gaming though and as far as I know not for movies either (at least I haven't got it working yet). And yeah DV gaming kinda sucks anyway on the Xbox
@@cromefire_ I didn't know this, and it sucks that Windows is rubbish at HDR but I guess I should have clarified that I was thinking of using a TV as a monitor for PC gaming rather than just a monitor
Gamers be like: "*sigh* I just want an 8k, true black HDR 3000, 500Hz, 1 ns response time with non-euclidian geometry under $1000. Is that too much to ask?"
"no way the testufo could convey how good the motion sharpness is" Well actually, that's what ghosting test is designed for. read the provided instructions on how to do pursuit photography.
@@hdtvtestsorry if the comment came out abit snarky I appreciate your work, constantly see that test not used to it's full potential, it's a great test.
I've gone from a 240hz lcd to 120hz oled (c2) - while the clarity does take a hit, I rarely had the chance to appreciate 240hz outside of desktop usage with the games I played. But I would love if this is the direction oled screens are going, now with samsung moving to oled production only. Here's to better and more widely used oled screens!
I currently have a 165hz monitor and am also considering the C2 as an upgrade. Will the refresh rate loss be very noticeable? I do play shooters quite a bit and am worried it'll be too much of a downgrade
I have a 2018 razer blade with 4k oled touchscreen that i leave on almost 24/7. It even had overheating issues for while that caused screen artifacting and blackouts i've never seen before until I pulled the whole thing apart and repasted the gpu,cpu, and heatsinks with thermal compound. I'm amazed but it has 0 burn in. With how I use it and leave it on, fall asleep with with it on and power setting not to turn off till 4 hours i'm honestly confused. I have a Sony A1E OLED 2017, I got on release which also has no burn in with heavy use including games, but peak brightness is set to medium which is more than what I need/ use anyways. My best guess is i 98% of the time us brightness levels between 20-50% which is why i haven't had issues even with heavy use and static images.
Great stuff as always - Vincent - would SED have been the best of both worlds in this respect? I know we'll never get it, but SED was the tech I was most looking forward to for the longest time.
What? Is it even smoother than a plasma? I thought you were excluding plasma when saying modern cuz plasma is old tech now. And I thought you might be meaning OLED and LED. :D
of course 240hz is smoother then plasma's 60 unique frame per second. the 600hz subfield drive of plasma isn't really equivalent to 240 unique frames per second.
To get HDR to work in Netflix on PC you need an HDCP 2.2 compliant display and the $.99 HEVC codec from the Microsoft store. That said, it's still super finicky and often requires me to toggle between displays/HDMI inputs to get it to work.
Think I’ll tap out on that one. The difference between 60 and 120 is so small that I can’t justify it. I can’t imagine how minute the differences are between 120 and 240.
I like your videos Vincent, and your quirky sense of humor, but the horrible, horrible sound you inserted with every mention of "240hz" was nails on a chalkboard bad and the first time I will leave a dislike on one of your videos.
Why is this screen in a laptop and not a standalone screen? Where are the 22" to 27" OLED monitors? Why OLED limited to very small screens to very large screens, both uncomfortable for desks?
the INSTANT a 240hz 48 inch TV comes out i'm buying it. After seeing 240hz on my G7 I fell in love, but that monitor was too blurry, (and too small as i'm vision impaired)
Now this is the kind of laptop review we could only dream of, much higher quality information helps customers decide, plus the entertainment value of the sound effect when mentioning 240Hz!
Film the UFO test while moving the camera along to the UFO's. At exactly the same speed. This will give a clear image of how clear the motion clarity would be, even on a 30 or 60fps youtube video. Like blurbusters does as well.
We first need a new HDMI standard. Considering we just got HDMI 2.1 which maxes out at 120hz and 4k. I hope we get an hdmi 3.0 sooner rather than later with 240hz at 4k
Yeah if your GPU and monitor support it you can use DSC, or Display Stream Compression, to get past bandwidth limitations without any loss of image quality.
I've been using my LG CX for a couple of years now, and it is easily the best display I've ever had. However, if/when we get a PC monitor or display with 240hz 1440P or 4K OLED, that will be my next display.
Ya is smooth with slow motion but in real life anything higher than 60Hz is useless to me. The only most noticeable difference is from 30 to 60. Having a 4K 120Hz I do not see a difference. Waste of bandwidth, is no wonder game graphics does not improve much with current gen hardware compared to something a few years ago. People are just thirsty for more fps or resolution.
Vincent - where are the TV reviews gone!? The channel is not as good as it used to be, unfortunately! Get better friend , return to your former glory ! There are not enough reviews on LED Sony - Samsung, and just talking about them is not enough
What i meant is are there any gpu rocking that bandwidth yet? My acer predator 4k@144 runs over TWO displayports at once, tho, so i guess there is a way around this .
@@AlexanderBukh the Odyssey G9 can run 5120x1440 240hz hdr with 1 DP cable, there is a thing call Display stream compression, the new samsung Odyssey G8 can do 4k 240hz through 1 dp cable too.
Make a 27 inch version of this with black frame insertion capability, for much clearer motion at all framerates, and I'll happily spend good money on it. 240Hz is great, but it is next to impossible to run modern triple-A games at that framerate. I would use it for competitive eSports type games, but that's it. Besides PC games, I also enjoy many console games and this is another important consideration. I want 60fps games, and yes, even 30fps games, to have the best motion possible. CRTs have the best motion for 30fps and 60fps games out of any of the displays I own. But my ViewSonic XG2431 IPS monitor, which offers backlight strobing at any refresh rate between 60fps and 240fps, is a very close second. This is why we need black frame insertion capability on OLED monitors. My LG CX has BFI and the motion resolution/clarity it offers is excellent, although it does lose too much brightness and color fidelity. It would be fantastic if an OLED monitor maker could give us user adjustable pulse width and other controls, in order to better dial in the motion quality/brightness trade off that suits our preferences.
Yeah would make me finally move away from XL2546K. Don't see it happening though with how both the AW3423DW and C2 lack it. Unless Zowie/BenQ decide the tech is ripe for it (0% chance of burn in)and can get their hands on it, doubt we'll get it.
I never had any OLED yet so I don't know how my eyes and brain will be affected with PWM 480Hz. You said for most people it will be okay. Means you and your friends in the studio didn't have any issues with it? I really want to get this GE67 HX but issue with PWM is bothering me a lot. Can you please advise?
@@andrewmorris3479 I have P20 Pro with OLED but it has DC dimming. I read that smooth any issues with PWM. GE67 doesn't have it. This comment from GE67 HX review bothers me a lot: "there is undoubted harm to the eyes and nervous system. And it will burn out quickly. In less than 3-3.5 years..."
@eldragon00: There's not enough bandwidth to run 240Hz at 10-bit, and the OLED panel is 8-bit only. However, as demonstrated at 10:49 in this video, NVIDIA's dithering was good enough to not introduce additional posterisation.
Hi Vincent, I came across the same issue of pale HDR image on an ASUS OLED laptop. And I found this issue only exist when I switch to discrete GPU mode (display receives signal directly from discrete NVIDIA GPU). The issue didn't occur when I switched to hybrid mode (aka NVIDIA Optimus, where the display signal is through iGPU). Hope this info can help.
Vincent, did you know when delivering a 60fps video, it is a good idea to shoot real time footage (such as a talking head) at 1/60 shutter speed? I watched this video by Gerald Undone. th-cam.com/video/UPPSdCrqcFQ/w-d-xo.html at 10:23 is the TLDR.
1440p or even better 1600p display is a perfect resolution for 15-17 inch laptop. It brings very good text clarity without sacrificing the performance too much. I do not understand why manufacturers are not doing true RGB pixel OLED panels. They would bring the best viewing experience possible but I guess organic technology will always be limited by the brightness because of OLED degradation, and then they use these strange pixel arrays to make it brighter. Also why does not anyone create AMOLED displays for laptops that would make the pixels stay active instead of PWMing and turning each pixel individually.
Strangely enough I get that same exact issue with my display where pausing the video or not being focused on the video or game would properly show HDR highlights etc but when its focused or playing its washed out. Display i'm using is Vizio V-435-H1, Windows 10
Come on Vincent, its still amoled with PWM that many people get eye fatigue and headache from. 240hz or not, Amoled is still Amoled with a number of weaknesses.
I want the LCD comparison. I have a 280Hz LCD and it doesn't seem perfectly smooth when looking around quickly in FPS games. Would the 240Hz OLED blow it out of the water?
What LCD is 280hz? To answer your question, ya 240HZ OLED would blow 280HZ LCD no competition, you wont be missing those 40 hz vs the oled, as long as you can drive the correct FPS you're okay.
Is the "black smear" as bad as on the smaller mobile OLEDs? For a quick test, just go to lagom monitor test page and pan around the "Black level" pattern.
@HDTVTest ...... I really appreciate your work, here is some feedback. I have MSI GE67HX with the reviewed 240Hz OLED and yes, 6 months ago WIndows 11 was messing up the colors (being washed out) in some scenarios. Today, I use HDR from desktop to gaming to watching SDR or HDR films, VLC now does HDR good. Only some games look washed out in HDR, but Doom Eternal, Cyberpunk, Battlefield 5, Everspace 2 look amazing. Crysis 1 remastered looks washed out. For all HDR or SDR films I use SVP Project, and MPC-HC, and believe me, HDR films playing at 240 frames using interpolation on OLED looks just amazing. Thank you for your work !!!! Greetings from Amsterdam _\|/_
WINDOWS DEFAULTS HDR SIGNAL TO LOWEST BRIGHTNESS!!! TO FIX- Right-click the Desktop and select Display Settings. Select the HDR-capable display under Rearrange your displays. Move the Settings window to the HDR display that you’re adjusting. On the Display settings screen, select Windows HD Color settings. Under HDR/SDR brightness balance, drag the slider all the way to the right! now you have HDR👍
lol, hardware barely can do 4k60 with a lot of luck, yes i know we can lower res, and use dlss or amd fsr 2, etc, not the same, hardware is not there yet for 4k60-4k120
Bombshell - monitors/TV's with high Hz will be utterly pointless unless the game engine (NOT that DLSS3 FAKE frame sh#t) FPS can get close to matching the display frequency. A 240Hz display will STILL look crap when e.g. a 60fps game engine scene pan occurs - all panned gfx in the scene will look jerky af since positional data can only be updated 60 times a second. If, on the other hand, the game engine could output at 240 times a second then positional updates are now possible at 4 times the frequency of that 60fps pan !!! The same concept happens with the other way round - a game engine fps of 240 will be wasted on any display lower than 240Hz (and will look just as crap at 60Hz, as seen above). Embarrassingly, this basic concept is VERY poorly understood.
No HDR matters Netflix will only stream 1440P video as windows will tell it the monitor res, and the dark compression artefacts are still horrifying at 1440P. Those black waves and smears you see in dark content is what I am talking about. HDR completely eliminates this (well Dolby vision does I can tell you).. Right now I have the GT77 and have to return it cause of the 4K screen bleed, it is beyond anything acceptable and even the reseller agreed from a simple pic! But again, even though HDR video won't stream on this even though it's supposed to, not TH-cam not Netflix, at least Netflix streams in 4K and those dark artefacts are very minimal. 1440P without HDR to me is an absolute no go, and it will never get fixed, cause all MSI are doing is blaming Nvidia and Intel. Even though on my Legion 7i, with very latest drivers, HDR works in both intel and direct GPU mode, on ANY supported game and ANY supported video. First time every time. I guess MSI will change to say that Nvidia drivers break it on OLED screens, but my GT77 is IPS and it's not working. It's not Nvidia, it's MSI.
I feel like there is nothing like perfect display. For me it would be 27" QD-OLED with heatsink 4K 240Hz Gloss with standard RGB subpixel layout. I would pay 3k for display like that in no time, i would pick two :D
it is a bit of diminishing returns most difference can be feel from 30 to 60... 60 to 120 is also very noticable. 120 to 240 ye there is a difference but smaller. 240 to 360 ye now its a bit harder to tell them apart.
240hz, even higher it's to be expected, are not primarily meant to take advantage of the higher refresh rate but to compensate the motion blur introduced by sample&hold technologies. To achieve that you need self emissive technologies which feature instantaneous response time. But you need to know the difference between a plasma, an LCD and an oled to understand that...
OLED technology is excellent but will suffer from screen burn in...and shops making big money from the warranty pushed on consumers... many paying up to $500 USD plus just for warranty protection... It's a bit irresponsible to just glow on the OLED tech... no matter if it's on a laptop.
wondering why the low view count, turns out to be a laptop display. well, OLED TV makers should include a 240Hz mode at 1080p if interface bandwidth is a problem.
Given the utterly abysmal support I've received from Sammy for the black screen/flicker issues I have on my Odyssey G7 I'd avoid. I'd avoid anything Samsung from now on TBH. I've basically been left with a broken £500+ 'gaming' monitor that is not fir for purpose. Samsung even admitted that is they couldn't replicate the fault it would be considered a non fault and void any further warranty claim against the same issue. I'd love if vince stopped focussing on technicalities and started to use his influence to weight on the side of the consumer.
About a year and half ago, i was on the search for the perfect gaming laptop. I learned that most popular gaming laptops were ips or tn panels, and there were a total of zero oled options. But oled is amazing, and next to ips or tn, its impossible to spend that much on anything other than oled. I settled with a "creator" laptop, the gigabyte aero 4k oled. The picture is perfect, but it's only 60hz, and 4k gaming on a 15" monitor is unnecessary. 1440p oled is perfect for that size and 240hz is just icing on the cake. I wish this woulda came out a few years ago..
HDR in windows has been broken since for ever ago, I had exactly the same issues all the way back when W10 was released and I bought a 1050ti for my HTPC build. Its just embarrassingly bad.
Guy who edited this Video: Winston how many time u want me to play the "holy sound" when mentioning 240herz? Winston: YES!!!!!! So but seriously it started to be annoying half into the video......
The sound clip that plays every time he says 240 is brilliant.
Lol it took me a second to catch on to that but I agree
I’m dying 🤣
🤣🤣🤣☠️
Good video but somehow the sound clip is used much too often in this video. My opinion.
Greg Doucette's "buy my cook book" sound
1440p 240hz 27" OLED is exactly what the world need right now.
Qd oled with a heatsink
@@platinumkale2940 yeah with mosquito noise zzzzzzzzz
@@steffdia7080 it's gotten quieter over the years, monitor heat sinks were jet engines only a couple of years ago. If I can't hear the mosquito behind my HVAC then I don't care.
as a csgo player, im longing for this for a longtime
Yeah Corsair and LG just made Oled 240hz. Personally 27 inch too small for me. I have 32 and 27inch both 1440p.
Angelic sound every time 240hz is mentioned 🤣
The holy noises every time 240Hz was mentioned has me cracking up.
I use a G7, which has a 240Hz 1440p native display and I can say that it's absolutely amazing. To see how clear and smooth the UFO test is mind-blowing. This thing already has fairly low pixel rates, I cannot wait to get a 240Hz OLED that has instantaneous pixel response times
yeah that halo sound was just soooo annoying.... i mean ... REALLY!!?!? ... didnt come by this video for glory sounds ... i came to watch content that gave me info... and that info was hard enough already with the accent... but this halo shit ... ArGhaRgH!
That HDR washed-out issue is caused by the Nvidia graphic card drive. I have bothered by this bug for a long time. The solution is clean install the graphic drive.
@Anpa Kamishiro: Thanks for the info! Unfortunately we have returned the review sample.
If you put VLC in fullscreen (not maximize the window) it should display the proper HDR as Windows bypasses some of the composting with all the other windows that would be visible otherwise
@Steve Lhomme: We have tried that. Strangely enough, in full-screen mode, it's permanently fixed in the wrong transfer function, and doesn't even flicker in and out of HDR.
Did you get hdr working after clean install?
@@orlandomejias4133 Yes, after so much useless try😭
I'm sad no manufacturer of 4k 120hz OLEDs has explored an option to enable 1080p 240hz for gaming.
Would be so good
That one reason I've held out on Samsung's OLEDs, because the moment I buy one the next generation will have 240Hz modes.
yeah that kinda sucks.
the sony a8h accepts 250hz via custom res at 1080p but not sure what it is displaying input lag is tiny though compared to 120hz
The UFO test was really done wrong, you should try to perform it correctly following the blur busters' recommendations which would really showcase the difference between the different screens.
All you have to do is take a picture of the UFO while tracking it at equal speed, with the shutter speed set to 1/(refresh rate/4). Oh well, the video was pretty good at showcasing the screen's picture quality capabilities anyway, as always :)
@IamFrog: Unfortunately we've lost the slider we normally use to do camera pursuit tests in a studio move...
@@hdtvtest ah that's a shame ._. I can only imagine how painfully hard it must be to try to take a decent picture without a slider
Yes! 240hz OLED's exist! The future is NOW! Great video, as always. I hope this is a sign of things to come.
"the future is now" "hope this is a sign of things to come"..... ok so is it now or not?
@@Decenium Comprehension isn't your strong suit, I take it.
I hope Things get better fast, as this laptop oled 8 bit depth panel and PMW flicker are a no go for me, add the fact the HDR mode does not even work, and lack of G-Sync just shows this is a beta product meant for sucker whales!
480hz OLEDs will exist in the future. So, the future definitely isn't now.
@@Frencho9 gsync is a useless invention. You pay for a hardware u don't need. If u have freesync u can enable gsync through win 10 or 11 using Nvidia driver. Also u can use both AMD Nvidia gpu on it.
lol i love how the angels kept singing when he mention 240hz
Amazing how LG sat on it's laurels until Samsung released its own panel. Now amazing things are happening in the OLED world.
I’ve owned this laptop for about 3 weeks and I’m glad to see I’m not crazy in thinking this was the best gaming display I could possibly play on at this moment. Halo 3 at 240FPS is otherworldly! Kudos to Samsung Display.
But it's an LG panel?
@@lakibadhikari7930 Nope, Samsung Display makes the QHD 240Hz OLED screen for the laptop as well as the Alienware 34” AW3423DW QD-OLED 175Hz ultra-wide monitor.
@@andrewmorris3479 yes it is Samsung. I don't know how I heard LG 😂. Must have been thinking about LG.
Hopefully this means we can one day soon expect the s95b (version 2, or 3, or 4...) to be 240hz...
witch laptop are you referring to.
Thanks Vincent, amazing amazing detail on this video. Really awesome to see the advantages of 240Hz OLED in motion clarity - which is really the next horizon in overall picture quality, especially for moving content. Actually seeing you trying out games and netflix and going into the pros and cons is super helpful. Hopefully this also helps prompt NVIDIA and Microsoft to get HDR working more seamlessly on windows games. I use a 55" C1 to play PC games on an RTX 3080 and the experience is a little bit finnicky - GeForce recording software doesn't work at all and when changing from HDR to SDR the screen input flickers several times. Also HDR looks washed out when playing Elden Ring and Halo Infinite. The display tries to use a weird 4096x2160 resolution resulting in a cropped image so you have to go in and remove that resolution output from the driver using a custom too, which you then have to remember to do every time you update your graphics drivers. haven't quite figured it all out yet.
I've been using a LGX as my PC gaming monitor. Small incremental brightness improvements aren't enough for me to upgrade, but I would definitely upgrade from 4k@120hz to 4k@240hz.
I wanna see your gpu that can render games at 4k@240hz
@@whatsuphelp I mostly play older games, or competitive games optimized for FPS over eye candy, so my 3090 can handle most of them at 4k240, and with VRR it wouldn't have to be consistent solid 240 fps to gain signficant benefit.
@@whatsuphelp By the time there are OLED 4k@240hz displays, there will be graphics cards capable of rendering that much bandwidth, as we're likely to see that kind of monitor in 4-6 years, so 60-70 series graphics cards.
@@hopoff9968 The problem would be the CPU and not the GPU in my opinion
@@Eliteownage No it can't unless you have a top CPU and memory with high speed and low timings. 3090 barely handles 4K120 in newer and demanding games you will get 60 fps or so unless you gimp the graphics. RGB OLED for gaming monitor = burn in for sure unless you put brightness on 25-50%
Compare this review to ANY else review of this Screen/Laptop.
THIS is simple UNMATCHED WORLDWIDE. Others should book u vincend.
Just fantastic.
Only u answer special pro questions customers need to make a decision.
Im impressed and thank u for being such a nerd.
My thumbs up and respect belongs to u. (like in the past)
That's exciting to know that we're not just sitting still with 120Hz or 144Hz, etc. Can't wait to see this in person!
I really hope they make 27" 2560x1440 240hz oled monitors. I'll sell body parts to get one.
I want it so bad, but in a 27-32 inch monitor instead please!
So frustrating those sized monitors are the ones with no high refresh OLED options yet still!
Now we just need a full sized desktop monitor with these specs. I wouldn't even mind if it was 1440p.
1080p 300Hz >
Imagine a flat OLED monitor with 1000nits sustained at 1440P 32" 240Hz, or something 4K under 42." Pure perfection.
@@Uncle_Fred if they can make 1440p in 15" size then what keeps them from making VR goggles in 1080p/lower sizes? Even just display goggles, no motion tracking etc. No anti-glare, peak brightness can be lowered bcs closer to eyes - win win scenario.
1440p is max, because otherwise it is impossible to reach 240fps, I have LG C2 which is 4K and I cannot play games, Cyberpunk is like 40 fps with DLSS Quality and RTX settings with 3080 ti, I will wait until RTX 4090 with gaming
@@TrekCZ Lots of gamers still play older titles like Minecraft or Source games. These games can easily run at 240fps with even modest hardware.
Windows would be so much better if they supported unusual pixel layouts. It's such a shame
give madVR a try for HDR testing. it is using the AMD or nvidia private API instead of the microsoft API. yes it is pretty broken on win 11 but it should still work with default settings. win 11 has generally HDR issues depending on the version it got so bad that i had to stop using it and i'm usually testing madVR and such on win 11 a lot.
I use a 55 C9 as a gaming monitor, and for me, it's superb, the motion clarity is amazing with g sync + 120Hz + 117fps cap + zero ghosting, and with 120Hz BFI is even better, but only works sometimes. My dream, is a 240Hz OLED monitor with BFI, at this point and cant get back to LCD, even the ViewSonic strobed 240Hz monitor has some ghosting and crosstalk, due to LCDs gtg limitations.
Samsung's OLED Laptop display doesn't need BFI to increase motion clarity , because it is PWM dimming type display.
PWM is already BFI at All.
@@MrTomsmy It still doesnt clear persistence blur.
@@MrTomsmy thats just not correct at all
Dude you don't get black frame insertion on an OLED. They transition pixels in less than 1ms.
You are actually making it LESS smooth doing this.
@@VulgrDisplay There's BFI on most OLEDs. They don't transition pixels in less than 1 ms all the time, go look at rtings measurements for example.
PWM is an absolute deal killer. Not going back to horrible headaches from a display ever again.
After examining this is quite an impressive display. Would be good for photography, because of the new Sigma FP pro which is capable of 240 fps video you could genuinely watch it at 240 hz. Only issue is with LAPTOP display limited amount of customizable parameter available, thus user will have to look to software suite to see if it will accommodate their prerequisites / preference. This is the first accessible PC I've considered buying, although there is no possibility it will replace desktop outright
TH-cam needs to support 120hz
My guy never fails!! 😂😂😂😂 you are the greatest to ever do it!
The holy grail must surely be a 240hz qd oled with g-sync and dolby vision (I would also add over 1000 nits of peak brightness but I think that would require a different technology)
Well you can't (and it'll likely stay that way) use Dolby Vision on PC anyway, so you probably want HDR10+ Gaming instead (which Nvidia has committed to), whenever Nvidia (and the competition) finally finish drivers for it.
@@cromefire_ dolby vision exists on windows it just fucking sucks
@@snowwsquire Not for apps (excluding professional apps) and gaming though and as far as I know not for movies either (at least I haven't got it working yet). And yeah DV gaming kinda sucks anyway on the Xbox
@@cromefire_ I didn't know this, and it sucks that Windows is rubbish at HDR but I guess I should have clarified that I was thinking of using a TV as a monitor for PC gaming rather than just a monitor
@@cromefire_ mass effect andromeda has dolby vision support, and with dolby vision extensions you can play some dolby vision video files
That is all I want in a monitor, 27" 1440p 240hz OLED panel
Gamers be like: "*sigh* I just want an 8k, true black HDR 3000, 500Hz, 1 ns response time with non-euclidian geometry under $1000. Is that too much to ask?"
@@altersami9660 🤣
All I want is a 1000hz monitor so I can get a gpu from the year 2070 to play it
Would be much more exciting on a larger stand alone screen. Just a matter of time of course.
"no way the testufo could convey how good the motion sharpness is"
Well actually, that's what ghosting test is designed for. read the provided instructions on how to do pursuit photography.
@brett20000000009: We were referring to the fact that we were forced to film at 60fps due to TH-cam's 60fps limitation. But we take your point.
@@hdtvtestsorry if the comment came out abit snarky I appreciate your work, constantly see that test not used to it's full potential, it's a great test.
@brett20000000009: Unfortunately we've lost the slider we normally use to do camera pursuit tests when we moved to this studio...
I've gone from a 240hz lcd to 120hz oled (c2) - while the clarity does take a hit, I rarely had the chance to appreciate 240hz outside of desktop usage with the games I played. But I would love if this is the direction oled screens are going, now with samsung moving to oled production only. Here's to better and more widely used oled screens!
Yeah my TV a c1 i have for console gaming my PC has a 240hz monitor for shooters
I currently have a 165hz monitor and am also considering the C2 as an upgrade. Will the refresh rate loss be very noticeable? I do play shooters quite a bit and am worried it'll be too much of a downgrade
Ken get oled. Big picture quality upgrade. Small motion difference not big
@@kencult is it for PC gaming? Are you getting the 42"? The 4k HDR/Dolby Vision 120hz OLED is pretty top of the line I would pick that over 165"!
@@liquidsunshine697 yup. Primarily PC use but also Xbox Series X usage on occasion as well
I have a 2018 razer blade with 4k oled touchscreen that i leave on almost 24/7. It even had overheating issues for while that caused screen artifacting and blackouts i've never seen before until I pulled the whole thing apart and repasted the gpu,cpu, and heatsinks with thermal compound. I'm amazed but it has 0 burn in. With how I use it and leave it on, fall asleep with with it on and power setting not to turn off till 4 hours i'm honestly confused. I have a Sony A1E OLED 2017, I got on release which also has no burn in with heavy use including games, but peak brightness is set to medium which is more than what I need/ use anyways. My best guess is i 98% of the time us brightness levels between 20-50% which is why i haven't had issues even with heavy use and static images.
Great stuff as always - Vincent - would SED have been the best of both worlds in this respect? I know we'll never get it, but SED was the tech I was most looking forward to for the longest time.
I can’t wait until large OLEDs get 240hz. Will buy one day one.
Love this dudes videos!!!!
What? Is it even smoother than a plasma? I thought you were excluding plasma when saying modern cuz plasma is old tech now. And I thought you might be meaning OLED and LED. :D
of course 240hz is smoother then plasma's 60 unique frame per second. the 600hz subfield drive of plasma isn't really equivalent to 240 unique frames per second.
To get HDR to work in Netflix on PC you need an HDCP 2.2 compliant display and the $.99 HEVC codec from the Microsoft store. That said, it's still super finicky and often requires me to toggle between displays/HDMI inputs to get it to work.
Works pretty seemlessly these days via their app.
Think I’ll tap out on that one. The difference between 60 and 120 is so small that I can’t justify it. I can’t imagine how minute the differences are between 120 and 240.
You're kidding... Night and day for me.
I like your videos Vincent, and your quirky sense of humor, but the horrible, horrible sound you inserted with every mention of "240hz" was nails on a chalkboard bad and the first time I will leave a dislike on one of your videos.
why is horrible ? haha
Why is this screen in a laptop and not a standalone screen? Where are the 22" to 27" OLED monitors? Why OLED limited to very small screens to very large screens, both uncomfortable for desks?
Price and supply my friend.
The BB test (in the video) looks pretty good at 120Hz (FI?) on the Q95T. :) I'm sure 240Hz OLED would be really lovely.
240.
AHHH AHHH. 😇
why are shitty laptops getting better monitors than real desktop monitors thats like giving someone allerigc to nuts expensive top quality nuts.
the INSTANT a 240hz 48 inch TV comes out i'm buying it.
After seeing 240hz on my G7 I fell in love, but that monitor was too blurry, (and too small as i'm vision impaired)
Now this is the kind of laptop review we could only dream of, much higher quality information helps customers decide, plus the entertainment value of the sound effect when mentioning 240Hz!
Film the UFO test while moving the camera along to the UFO's. At exactly the same speed. This will give a clear image of how clear the motion clarity would be, even on a 30 or 60fps youtube video. Like blurbusters does as well.
"240" 👼
We first need a new HDMI standard. Considering we just got HDMI 2.1 which maxes out at 120hz and 4k. I hope we get an hdmi 3.0 sooner rather than later with 240hz at 4k
I think 2.1 actually supports video compression to enable higher res/refresh rate combinations (whether that's worthwhile or not is another matter).
Yeah if your GPU and monitor support it you can use DSC, or Display Stream Compression, to get past bandwidth limitations without any loss of image quality.
DisplayPort 2.0
@@hugevibez It's lossless compression?
@@djayjp yes.
I've been using my LG CX for a couple of years now, and it is easily the best display I've ever had. However, if/when we get a PC monitor or display with 240hz 1440P or 4K OLED, that will be my next display.
Apparently LG is developing a 1440p, 240hz, 27" OLED right now.
Ya is smooth with slow motion but in real life anything higher than 60Hz is useless to me. The only most noticeable difference is from 30 to 60.
Having a 4K 120Hz I do not see a difference.
Waste of bandwidth, is no wonder game graphics does not improve much with current gen hardware compared to something a few years ago. People are just thirsty for more fps or resolution.
finally a monitor that makes my 200hz crt mostly redundant
It only took a few decades.
You should have a SONY FW900 and compare it against these OLEDs. That's how we know if finally the reign of CRTs for motion clarity is over.
Vincent - where are the TV reviews gone!? The channel is not as good as it used to be, unfortunately! Get better friend , return to your former glory ! There are not enough reviews on LED Sony - Samsung, and just talking about them is not enough
240hz *music* lol
I hope they scale it up to sth like a 38inch ultrawide at 3840x1600 at this refresh rate, that would be my dream monitor.
And you will drive it with RTX5090 in 5 years)
@@AlexanderBukh yeah, that would be ideal since I tend to keep my monitor way longer than my gpu.
What i meant is are there any gpu rocking that bandwidth yet? My acer predator 4k@144 runs over TWO displayports at once, tho, so i guess there is a way around this .
@@AlexanderBukh the Odyssey G9 can run 5120x1440 240hz hdr with 1 DP cable, there is a thing call Display stream compression, the new samsung Odyssey G8 can do 4k 240hz through 1 dp cable too.
Make a 27 inch version of this with black frame insertion capability, for much clearer motion at all framerates, and I'll happily spend good money on it.
240Hz is great, but it is next to impossible to run modern triple-A games at that framerate. I would use it for competitive eSports type games, but that's it. Besides PC games, I also enjoy many console games and this is another important consideration. I want 60fps games, and yes, even 30fps games, to have the best motion possible.
CRTs have the best motion for 30fps and 60fps games out of any of the displays I own. But my ViewSonic XG2431 IPS monitor, which offers backlight strobing at any refresh rate between 60fps and 240fps, is a very close second. This is why we need black frame insertion capability on OLED monitors. My LG CX has BFI and the motion resolution/clarity it offers is excellent, although it does lose too much brightness and color fidelity. It would be fantastic if an OLED monitor maker could give us user adjustable pulse width and other controls, in order to better dial in the motion quality/brightness trade off that suits our preferences.
Ok.
SAME. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID
30fps games can't ever have good motion btw. bfi only works correctly when flickerrate = framerate. 30hz flicker would be painful to the viewer.
Yeah would make me finally move away from XL2546K. Don't see it happening though with how both the AW3423DW and C2 lack it.
Unless Zowie/BenQ decide the tech is ripe for it (0% chance of burn in)and can get their hands on it, doubt we'll get it.
Most newer LCD TV's don't even have BFI these days...less is more in this modern budget world.
4K 27” 360hz oled. That’s my endgame gaming monitor
Do you know a product review company this is very important to me please get back to me thank you
I should have got my ge67 today…. UPS screwed me hard.
1440p 240/360 Hz 27" OLED when? My eyes are ready.
Quick tip: pressing Win+alt+B toggles HDR in windows 11
@Enigma 0: Thanks for the tip!
I never had any OLED yet so I don't know how my eyes and brain will be affected with PWM 480Hz. You said for most people it will be okay. Means you and your friends in the studio didn't have any issues with it?
I really want to get this GE67 HX but issue with PWM is bothering me a lot. Can you please advise?
I think you’ll be fine. The majority of AMOLED smartphones operate at 240Hz so you should be fine at 480Hz.
@@andrewmorris3479 I have P20 Pro with OLED but it has DC dimming. I read that smooth any issues with PWM. GE67 doesn't have it.
This comment from GE67 HX review bothers me a lot:
"there is undoubted harm to the eyes and nervous system. And it will burn out quickly. In less than 3-3.5 years..."
@@arseniyshapurov Whose comment was that from?
@@andrewmorris3479 looks my answers keeps deleted or TH-cam lag?
@@andrewmorris3479 that comment from the first review in the Google search for this laptop
It looks like you are leaving the monitor at 8 bit while running 240 hz. You're going to have some issues with HRD if it's not set to 10bit.
@eldragon00: There's not enough bandwidth to run 240Hz at 10-bit, and the OLED panel is 8-bit only. However, as demonstrated at 10:49 in this video, NVIDIA's dithering was good enough to not introduce additional posterisation.
@@hdtvtest I erroniously though the hdmi 2.1 standard had bandwidth for 240 w/ hdr at 1440p. If you dropped it to 60 hz does the hdr work?
Oled gets burn in. Until that is fixed I'll never buy one.
Hi Vincent, I came across the same issue of pale HDR image on an ASUS OLED laptop. And I found this issue only exist when I switch to discrete GPU mode (display receives signal directly from discrete NVIDIA GPU). The issue didn't occur when I switched to hybrid mode (aka NVIDIA Optimus, where the display signal is through iGPU). Hope this info can help.
Vincent, did you know when delivering a 60fps video, it is a good idea to shoot real time footage (such as a talking head) at 1/60 shutter speed? I watched this video by Gerald Undone. th-cam.com/video/UPPSdCrqcFQ/w-d-xo.html at 10:23 is the TLDR.
1440p or even better 1600p display is a perfect resolution for 15-17 inch laptop. It brings very good text clarity without sacrificing the performance too much.
I do not understand why manufacturers are not doing true RGB pixel OLED panels. They would bring the best viewing experience possible but I guess organic technology will always be limited by the brightness because of OLED degradation, and then they use these strange pixel arrays to make it brighter.
Also why does not anyone create AMOLED displays for laptops that would make the pixels stay active instead of PWMing and turning each pixel individually.
Give me 27 inch 240hz OLED 2k or 4k.
Not certain about the rules, but Netflix doesn't seem to offer HDR for lower resolutions than 4K
Not the case as it does show the "HDR" label on shows on my 1600p Android Galaxy Tab S7+.
Strangely enough I get that same exact issue with my display where pausing the video or not being focused on the video or game would properly show HDR highlights etc but when its focused or playing its washed out. Display i'm using is Vizio V-435-H1, Windows 10
SAMSUNG Panel always the Best
I will pay 2 grand without question if they release a flat 4K 32-inch 240Hz DisplayPort 2.0 QD-OLED monitor next year or the year after
I can't wait the 1Khz OLED /s
Come on Vincent, its still amoled with PWM that many people get eye fatigue and headache from. 240hz or not, Amoled is still Amoled with a number of weaknesses.
I approve the holy sounds each time 240Hz is pronounced!
For the love of God just give us a 27" 1440p 240hz OLED.
It is the dream gaming monitor.
Windows still sucks for hdr
I'm happy enough with my 42" C2 OLED with its 4K 120hz. I'll only upgrade if 4K 240hz Micro LED monitors/TV's become available
I want the LCD comparison. I have a 280Hz LCD and it doesn't seem perfectly smooth when looking around quickly in FPS games. Would the 240Hz OLED blow it out of the water?
What LCD is 280hz? To answer your question, ya 240HZ OLED would blow 280HZ LCD no competition, you wont be missing those 40 hz vs the oled, as long as you can drive the correct FPS you're okay.
Yes, I’ve played on a 280Hz 1080P LCD and a 270Hz 1440P LCD and this screen makes both look silly in comparison! At 240FPS it’s gaming heaven.
Yes, lcd sucks against oled
So I guess 240Hz OLED is heaven sent?
100%.
Is the "black smear" as bad as on the smaller mobile OLEDs? For a quick test, just go to lagom monitor test page and pan around the "Black level" pattern.
We need 1 trillion hz
Imagine the iPad Pro with 240Hz OLED
Why don't they do dual link anymore? Duel HDMI 2.1a/b to make it equal for DP 2.1 since HDMI seem to control audio equipment, monitors, tvs's etc.
@HDTVTest ...... I really appreciate your work, here is some feedback.
I have MSI GE67HX with the reviewed 240Hz OLED and yes, 6 months ago WIndows 11 was messing up the colors (being washed out) in some scenarios. Today, I use HDR from desktop to gaming to watching SDR or HDR films, VLC now does HDR good. Only some games look washed out in HDR, but Doom Eternal, Cyberpunk, Battlefield 5, Everspace 2 look amazing. Crysis 1 remastered looks washed out.
For all HDR or SDR films I use SVP Project, and MPC-HC, and believe me, HDR films playing at 240 frames using interpolation on OLED looks just amazing.
Thank you for your work !!!! Greetings from Amsterdam _\|/_
WINDOWS DEFAULTS HDR SIGNAL TO LOWEST BRIGHTNESS!!!
TO FIX-
Right-click the Desktop and select Display Settings.
Select the HDR-capable display under Rearrange your displays. Move the Settings window to the HDR display that you’re adjusting.
On the Display settings screen, select Windows HD Color settings.
Under HDR/SDR brightness balance, drag the slider all the way to the right!
now you have HDR👍
lol, hardware barely can do 4k60 with a lot of luck, yes i know we can lower res, and use dlss or amd fsr 2, etc, not the same, hardware is not there yet for 4k60-4k120
Bombshell - monitors/TV's with high Hz will be utterly pointless unless the game engine (NOT that DLSS3 FAKE frame sh#t) FPS can get close to matching the display frequency. A 240Hz display will STILL look crap when e.g. a 60fps game engine scene pan occurs - all panned gfx in the scene will look jerky af since positional data can only be updated 60 times a second. If, on the other hand, the game engine could output at 240 times a second then positional updates are now possible at 4 times the frequency of that 60fps pan !!!
The same concept happens with the other way round - a game engine fps of 240 will be wasted on any display lower than 240Hz (and will look just as crap at 60Hz, as seen above).
Embarrassingly, this basic concept is VERY poorly understood.
No HDR matters
Netflix will only stream 1440P video as windows will tell it the monitor res, and the dark compression artefacts are still horrifying at 1440P. Those black waves and smears you see in dark content is what I am talking about. HDR completely eliminates this (well Dolby vision does I can tell you).. Right now I have the GT77 and have to return it cause of the 4K screen bleed, it is beyond anything acceptable and even the reseller agreed from a simple pic! But again, even though HDR video won't stream on this even though it's supposed to, not TH-cam not Netflix, at least Netflix streams in 4K and those dark artefacts are very minimal.
1440P without HDR to me is an absolute no go, and it will never get fixed, cause all MSI are doing is blaming Nvidia and Intel.
Even though on my Legion 7i, with very latest drivers, HDR works in both intel and direct GPU mode, on ANY supported game and ANY supported video. First time every time. I guess MSI will change to say that Nvidia drivers break it on OLED screens, but my GT77 is IPS and it's not working. It's not Nvidia, it's MSI.
I feel like there is nothing like perfect display. For me it would be 27" QD-OLED with heatsink 4K 240Hz Gloss with standard RGB subpixel layout. I would pay 3k for display like that in no time, i would pick two :D
I had heard quite good things about this Laptop. But i won't trust them, till Vincent makes a video about it 😊
to be honest even 120hz is overhyped as there is no massive diff over 60, 240 must be very hard to notice over 120hz
it is a bit of diminishing returns most difference can be feel from 30 to 60... 60 to 120 is also very noticable. 120 to 240 ye there is a difference but smaller. 240 to 360 ye now its a bit harder to tell them apart.
240hz, even higher it's to be expected, are not primarily meant to take advantage of the higher refresh rate but to compensate the motion blur introduced by sample&hold technologies.
To achieve that you need self emissive technologies which feature instantaneous response time.
But you need to know the difference between a plasma, an LCD and an oled to understand that...
@@hbjigcc well if u are not taking advantage of 240hz u might aswell settle for 120hz.
It seems that 240hz will be the magic number.
OLED technology is excellent but will suffer from screen burn in...and shops making big money from the warranty pushed on consumers... many paying up to $500 USD plus just for warranty protection...
It's a bit irresponsible to just glow on the OLED tech... no matter if it's on a laptop.
Thank you for adding the stupid holy sound every time you say 240Hz *angelic choir* ....
There it is again
wondering why the low view count, turns out to be a laptop display. well, OLED TV makers should include a 240Hz mode at 1080p if interface bandwidth is a problem.
Given the utterly abysmal support I've received from Sammy for the black screen/flicker issues I have on my Odyssey G7 I'd avoid. I'd avoid anything Samsung from now on TBH. I've basically been left with a broken £500+ 'gaming' monitor that is not fir for purpose. Samsung even admitted that is they couldn't replicate the fault it would be considered a non fault and void any further warranty claim against the same issue.
I'd love if vince stopped focussing on technicalities and started to use his influence to weight on the side of the consumer.
About a year and half ago, i was on the search for the perfect gaming laptop. I learned that most popular gaming laptops were ips or tn panels, and there were a total of zero oled options. But oled is amazing, and next to ips or tn, its impossible to spend that much on anything other than oled.
I settled with a "creator" laptop, the gigabyte aero 4k oled. The picture is perfect, but it's only 60hz, and 4k gaming on a 15" monitor is unnecessary.
1440p oled is perfect for that size and 240hz is just icing on the cake. I wish this woulda came out a few years ago..
HDR in windows has been broken since for ever ago, I had exactly the same issues all the way back when W10 was released and I bought a 1050ti for my HTPC build. Its just embarrassingly bad.
WOW!
Guy who edited this Video: Winston how many time u want me to play the "holy sound" when mentioning 240herz? Winston: YES!!!!!! So but seriously it started to be annoying half into the video......