Harley-Davidson 131 Crate Engine Review
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- Cycle World compares Harley-Davidson's 131-cubic-inch crate engine to the 114-cubic-inch engine.
To be able to ride into a Harley-Davidson dealership and ride out the same day with a 50-percent increase in horsepower is the goal with the new Screamin' Eagle 131 crate engine. Yes, if your dealer is up to it, you can turn your stock touring bike into a hot-rod bagger with a day in the shop. But there’s much more to this new engine than just increased peak torque and horsepower. How and where does that new power hit, and what about heat and fuel management? We picked up a stock Street Glide Special, rode it as-is for a couple of weeks, then swapped out the 114 engine for the 131 to find out.
The crate 131 engine is changed in many more ways from stock than just increased displacement versus the 114. The Screamin' Eagle 131 gets the typical Stage IV upgrades from H-D, plus a few bigger alterations. This includes 1mm larger intake and exhaust valves (when compared to Screamin' Eagle Milwaukee-Eight Stage IV kits), a higher lift cam with longer duration and higher lift for both intake and exhaust lobes, increased compression ratio with forged pistons, steel-sleeve cylinders, a larger 64mm throttle body with its corresponding intake manifold, and high-capacity 5.5-gram-per-second fuel injectors. So while the bump in power does come largely from the increased displacement, the wide, flat torque curve and how usable that power is comes as a result of a complete engine tune to take the greatest advantage of its extra cubic inches. This is a street-compliant engine swap, and the installed exhaust system is 49-state EPA compliant, as well.
We gave the dyno sheets to Technical Editor Kevin Cameron for his take on stock vs. hop-up tuning: "The 114 engine has been given a classic H-D ‘shed roof’ torque curve-the peak of 112 pound-feet is on the left-hand side of the page at 2,500 rpm, after which it slopes downward to 70 pound-feet at 5,500. Often what this downslope means is that the smaller-diameter intake ports needed to peak the torque down at 2,500 aren’t really enough to supply the airflow the engine would like at higher revs. English engine pioneer Harry Ricardo called this ‘wire-drawing.’
“The big engine is not only larger in displacement, but has been re-cammed to give a broad ‘haystack’ torque curve, with its peak of 120 pound-feet 1,700 revs higher, up at 4,200,” Cameron continues. “This engine has more breathing capacity at higher revs than the smaller one, a result of both larger ports and the more aggressive cam.”
And that “haystack” torque curve translates to a very wide range of readily available power, peaking at 130.67 pound-feet and putting out more than 120 pound-feet of torque from 2,800 to 5,200 revs. Horsepower production is also pleasingly linear, climbing steadily from idle until it plateaus right before redline, peaking at 121.62 hp at 5,620 rpm-a massive increase from the stock 114′s 81 hp at 4,780 rpm.
In our instrumented performance testing, the 131 ran 0-100 mph 4.4 seconds faster than the 114 at 9.35 seconds, and finished the quarter-mile more than a full second faster at 12.58 seconds.
It feels healthy on the low end, although 0-30 mph times are almost identical to the stock bike. Road Test Editor Michael Gilbert noted that his quickest times on the 114 were with traction control disabled, since he could control the lower power and torque output given available traction. To get the best times with the 131, traction control was necessary to moderate wheelspin on launch due to the remarkable increase in torque and horsepower. Also, power production is shifted toward the midrange, so, in a sense, the greatest gains make themselves felt over the 40 mph mark.
On the highway, the Street Glide runs an indicated 80 mph at just under 3,000 rpm. What this means on the 114 is that, since its torque declines from its 2,520-rpm peak, it is already on the downslope at highway speed. On the 131, torque continues to climb all the way to 4,260 rpm, resulting in much stronger top-gear roll-on performance.
“These acceleration improvements from roughly 40 to 100 mph are addicting, and enough to slide your butt back in the saddle as you tuck behind the fairing,” Gilbert says. “The 131 develops a personality here not found in the Street Glide, with an attitude of ‘I’m not going to kill you, but you better hang on tight.’ This is also reflected in the top-gear roll-on numbers.”
Gilbert is totally right: This power is addicting, and so is the sound that goes with it.
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That’s why I traded in my two Harley’s 18 and 19 Roadglide/Roadking Specials for an Indian Challenger, come on Harley step it up without having to spend 10k on motor and suspension and brakes
I've been riding harleys for years , Indian is gonna be my next ride
My next bike will be the 2021 Indian Challenger Dark Horse. Harley is now dead to me.
Seeing the track results from stock 114 to 131, the stock 114 did pretty good. Save the 7k and put a full exhaust and tune on on the 114.
and performance cam as well. Better value for money.
If you have the $
Or a turbo
They say that 114 comes alive with the mods. My 113 Yamaha raider is putting down more than Harley 114
@@derrickhenry8620 yamaHarley
They should come out standard with the 131 for the ridiculous price harley retails at.
I had this same thought. There is just no value proposition with Harley. They are too damned expensive for what you get. Yes, fit and finish are very good but at some point you have to ride the thing and that is where everything falls apart. They could have been miles ahead of the game if they had just kept their water-cooled Revolution engine in play and developed it more for the touring line. Better yet, they should have brought Project Nova to reality. Just more poor decision making on Harley's part. Sad...
In the future I’m sure it will be
Paul a road king is around $25k ..so what are you saying that a gold wing is a better deal with a base price at $30k ? larger engines for cars are always an option costing more ..do you think you will get the highest HP for free when you buy a performance car ?
@@dennism1919 then pay $30k for a new Honda as you could of has a new Harley road king for $25k
@@donniebaker5984 in Australia the road king is $37,000 plus on road costs and tax. Ends up $39,999. Then add a stage 1, $43,500. Stage 2, $48,500. Stage 3, $55,000. OR $39,999 PLUS 131 = $59,000.
A comparison between Indian Challenger Stage 1 vs HD 131 is a must
The Indian will eat it alive!
I got a stage 4 Victory Hammer 116 and it's dyno tuned at 124HP at the Wheel.
Yes, at the Wheel, not making things up here.
How the hell they can only squeeze 121 HP from a 131 big bore engine?
Just a 5000$ side badge man, and a total waste of cash.
Even my old 2006 V rod that cost me 3400$ can almost keep up with it.
@@StayPresent.T easy. EPA compliance and a warranty+trouble free ownership. A more aggressive cam/EFI tuning would net a nice increase. Already been done.
Thank you Cycle World! That's how you do a motorcycle video. Professional, to the point, stats, no hyperboyle and excellent insights into doing this mod. Please keep posting.
I love my 114. She makes well over 130 tq, and right about 120hp. If i wanted a fast bike, I would have kept my R1.
My bike is set up for my fat ass, an occasional sweet , unsuspecting young female passenger, my traveling gear, and some nice mucus, to all meet on the highway, to merge, or pass slower traffic with ease. That's what 130 tq from a low ram does for you. Yes it's cool to have a "fast Harley " what ever the heck that is, bht let's face it. 900 pounds, 120 hp is never going to be in any danger of being called fast.
What ever you ride, just enjoy the dam thing, and leave the trailers at home. X.O.
I have a 2020 Ultra Limited, and I put the Big Bore kit on mine and It peaked around 4400 RPM as that is where it hit 110 MPH. It was putting out 121.5 HP and 140 ft-lbs torque. It's a Beast!
i get 142 mph on my jims 120 dyna oh yes 144 ftlbs 145 hp
@@billgonzales8978 I don’t get that fast, however, He tweaked on it after I posted that, and it tops out at 120. He gave me an extra 10 mph. LOL
At 63 I traded my 2010 RoadGlide Custom for a 2020 RoadGlide S our 6 th Harley , great bike.Stage 2 Torque cam, full V&H power dual exhaust
smooth, comfortable, a blast to ride. my wife, she’s 62, has a 2017 RoadGlide S she bought new traded her 2011 StreetGlide for it.These new touring bikes are so easy to operate they kept us off a three wheeler...for now ! Politics, price, corporate crap, who cares, no guarantees for tomorrow Ride Safe
Vincent McClain, you and your wife must be retired Government workers with all that extra cash for payments... Yep, probably retired at age 55 and are thinking you were owed that from "We the People's" money that the politician's gave to you to vote for them via your Government Union.
I rode a 2022 road glide special and was blown away with it. Went right back and put a deposit on the 2022 road glide st with a 117 in it. I’m paying cash for it at 34 years old, definitely not a government employee lol.
With a good exhaust and tune, I usually get low to mid 130’s HP and mid to high 130’s TQ. I’ve tuned quite a few of these.
I just purchased the 131 crate motor today.
I read quit e a bit. Some good, some bad, and a lot of haters from various sources. Good thing I did this for me and nobody else.
Gives me goose bumps. I've had a 180hp built track bike on the street. Now I have a fairly built 88TC and it feels pretty strong. Until I got on my dads equally built 110 and it blew me away so much. Maybe 20-30hp and ftlb difference. But talk about usable torque. It's all in that 2-4000rpm range. Right in that sweet spot where it pulls out of a turn like a beast. Now mine has gotta go way bigger!!!!
I'd like to see you pop a 128 S&S big bore kit and see what the HP and TQ is vs the 131. I have a feeling you'll get more for less than that insane $6k price tag
Definitely more for less.... I already did it. Worth the build.
Way more hp and tq, but this is emissions and warranty legal, that's the difference. For the $3k in savings, who cares about the warranty, but some people do I guess.
i just ordered the new softail 131 kit for my 2018 Heritage. waiting for it to come in. Harley is installing. cant wait. with my bike about 150 pounds lighter the quarter mile time should drop.
Harley-Davidson, leading the way with draining wallets for the same performance out of Japanese bikes that cost a fraction. Very innovative!
Reminder that you can still upgrade your 15+ year old Harley with a 143ci engine from S&S at the same cost, with 160+ hp
Ol 95 in s@s with head work and 2 in to 1 vh pro pipe, lays rubber . All 👍 on my end
And then you'll have to upgrade and beef up EVERYTHING ELSE along the drive train and fork out another 6 grand in aftermarket stuff that makes your bike a "white elephant". Should you ever desire to take it on a long trip and something breaks on you when you're in the middle of nowhere you're officially hosed. Keep it stock and keep your money in your pocket is my best advice.
Peter Smith I run a Kuryakyn Wild-Things package (heads, pistons, cams) on my 18 year old CVO Road King 103. Making almost the same power as this. This 131 package is very low in power.
GREAT vid. Finally some one not afraid to show hp and tq. Most HD vids just jaw about the torque. Great video
My biggest heartburn is why I can’t order this as a factory installed option not a dealer installed option. It’s 49 state legal. Let me check the box and have it delivered with the engine I want without having to scrap a perfectly good 114, or most of it.
Why? Most people just sell the 114 for $3,000-$4,000 Or they keep it as a brand new backup engine in case anything happens to the 131. I know 2 guys who used their 114 for a engine swap on a older bike they have. It’s just always nice to have a spare 114 to do whatever you want.
@@92suzukigsx1100g I can’t see most people needing or wanting a spare engine. Maybe some but no one I ride with has space or need. Just seems for people with a single bike would prefer to just order what they want to ride and be done with it.
Lol. I know that’s against the Harley marketing concept but some of us aren’t interested in constantly investing.
Please let someone know that Noise doesn’t equal Fast.
It might be a faster Hippo, but face it. It’s still just a Hippo
Haha
Just because you have a fast bike' dosent mean your a good rider Too 😉
I think hippos around the world are offended by this comparison.
I am impressed by them fitting the farm implement engine to the motorcycle frame !!!🤣🤣 never see me on one of those chrome air compressors!! I have put 53.000 miles on my Ducati multistrada and I still have not gassed it wide open in 1st or 2ond gear !! Fast as hell!!
@@arthurmchugh5184 That sounds highly unlikely. The next owner is gonna blow out so much carbon soot when they actually give it the beans.
I rode my first street bike ( 1978 KZ 750, rode dirt bikes since 73) to high school and I wish Harley dealers were like they use to be when I bought my first new Harley in 1984. Harley prices today seem so damn high. Back then they didn't sell ANY clothes at the dealership I went to. So different now a days. It was also like a man cave, just blue collar guys (no couples shopping for gifts) buying parts or a bike and talking about bikes and riding. God only knows who I have offended with my stroll down memory lane.
It's adorable seeing little children in the comments comparing this to a sport bike. This has a third more HP and is 2 seconds faster to 100 MPH than a Golding. In its segment, it's pretty fast.
Will never understand how people can compare Harley’s to their sport bike or adventure bike… sport bikes are street legal track bikes, harleys are cruisers and tourers with the option for performance. Its like comparing a porsche gt2rs to a Ford Mustang.. makes no sense.
I’m good with my 103. I ain’t trying to break records. Smh
Yep bout to go stage 3 on mine, they say that’s all you need
You and I both!
Yeah well, my 88ci. is barly faster than an average car. somethings gotta give
Ya I have a 2020 Street Bob with the M8 107 and I’ll be doing the Stage 2 in a few weeks which will be good for now, I’ll most likely do a Stage 3 and call it good. If I need extreme speed I’ll just hop on the BMW s1000rr and get my fix (can hit 90mph in 1st gear), but the older I get the less sport bikes interest me. I’ve actually been looking for a 70’s H-D Shovel as a project bike so I may sell the BMW and try to customize an old “slow” kickstart Harley.
Or the bank lol
Anybody remember back when harley built a good motorcycle at a fair price?............................ I don't either.
Nope
got a new sportster back in 79 for $2700 when i was based in n, c, and lived in fl . drove it back and forth a couple of times then when i got out and ten years later sold it for 1700 . fastest , best cruiser , best track like handling ? no but it was reliable , easy to work on , good mpg , actually handled pretty good with better tires , and with some relatively easy and cheap mods made it handle and run better . so yeah i miss those days and probably means i'm a little older maybe .
if they sold this 131 model for the price of their current 107 model (so for a street glide $22k with the 107) then maybe just maybe it would be at least somewhat justifiable
My Honda V65 Sabre had 130+ HP...... in 1984. ;)
Yes I remember 1964 when my father purchased his duo glide
Nice 131, imagine it will be their next base big twin in a few years. Wish HD would also focus on “the simple things” like fixing the damn pop out ignition switch problem on my 2018 Road Glide Special (when I traded in my 2008 Road Glide), instead of having my dealership tell me when I discovered the issue for myself the first time after taking delivery “Well most customers just decide not to use the column lock to avoid the problem.” Other surprise was how easy the ignition key rusts. The dealership washed the bike and placed the key in one of the dash stow boxes which had retained water from the wash, it rusted badly in a few short hours. I never remember any of these issues on my previous bikes (going back to the early 90’s) the simple things worked and lasted as designed. They also had to replace a defective voltage regulator a week after I took receipt of the new bike. Corporate HD has really lost its way, far too focused on selling big ticket add-ons to their customers vice ensuring their stock bikes are bullet proof when manufactured.
Nice video, thanks! My only concern with this build is simple; you're putting 121 HP and 131 Torque on top of a Stock crank, compensator, and clutch basket. Something's got to fail with those Stock components, and when they, or it fails there will be hell to pay!
Exactly my thought.
It's the Harley way. Build to bust and build again. We've all accepted this. If you wanted reliability with performance find an old victory or Indian and bore it. I've seen 116ci big bore victory's (putting more HP and TQ than this 131) with well over 100k miles 0 issues.
I have a 131 in a freewheeler and I had to put a billet clutch basket and clutch in before I had a thousand miles on it and I blew up My basani 2 into 1 header and replaced it with a Trask exhaust and don't ride it very far if it is over 90 degrees because it over heats big time I have street glide stage 2 114 a lot more bang for the buck
My thoughts exactly. Any "good service department" will let you know you NEED to build up your supporting components. Otherwise, you're going to destroy the build.
It's like, let me put a racing engine into my Pinto and keep the gears the same. Lol
I have a 19 street glide special and I did a stage 3 ,117 on mine with Vance and Hines power duals and os slip ons ! I’m happy with the power on that build! Good vid !!!
Big power for a Harley, and of course big money. It's definitely a bad ass bagger no doubt.
5 King of Baggers races scheduled in 2021. It should spark aftermarket companies to produce products that trickle down to us consumers. I can't wait to see what comes out. I'm excited to see what numbers an Indian Challenger can make especially since the Powerplus 108 engine was in its first production year. Fun times await!
as is the customary for HD, spend more to get less.
ahahahah
Not true, the paint job on the engine is really nice.
I'm happy with my 110 CVO anniversary springer. It's fast enough and turn heads anywhere I go.
Original price when new was $36usd out the door but I got it used with only 1,400 miles and only paid a fraction of the new one. So to those who says harleys are expensive, you just lack strategy.
I have an 08 Springer CVO too, not the anniversary model but still an awesome ride. I picked mine up too used at $22,000 with 8,500 miles on it. I put in a stage 3 117 kit on it dynod out at 100 HP and a whopping 125 ftlbs. Freaking love it I've had it to 135mph no issues with death wobble or anything.
@@steveo634 The softails don't have the death wobble. The engines are solid mount. It's a different story with the dynas.
@@frankp7885 thx brother didn't know that.
OMG, even after all the changes it's still slower than a stock FZ-07!
Why not just buy an S&S motor.
So many guys are afraid of killing their warrenty.. the power difference for a non compliant setup is silly.
Why not just buy and Indian?
@@iwannapoop stop talking with coomon sense.. my 2020 electra glide is a money pit getting it to +160hp/150ftlbs.. but it sure is a hell of allot of fun... I'm trading in my bmw r1200rt for a challenger when i can find the right deal.. see how they compare in real life..
@@skippynj1979 Two different types of engines. The challenger is running with an engine like the V-Rod (DOHC, Liquid cool) and having a lot of issues. Give it a few more years to see if they work the bugs out. Don't be surprised if Harley puts a bigger displacement V-Rod engine in a softail like the sport glide to compete with the Indians on the MotoAmerica King of the Baggers races. Just the way the engine is designed will be a better racing engine. They knew this years ago but customers wanted the old air-cooled V-twin.
@@mojomanmurph1925 i agree.. the moto America series will bring allot of innovation.. that being said... i can't eat wait😉 all the mates I know with the challenger have been having good luck.. better than my m8. Not as good as my my reliable BMW... but the bmw is getting old and going to start costing me more money than what's it's worth to to maintain.. but she had been nothing short of a great machine. The ergonomics are getting to me though with knee position as I grow older.
128” build is the way to go for M8 owners!
I'm having a full 128 Moonshine Horsepower build😁💪
My 1982 BMW R65LS makes 50HP and 38 ft lbs of torque with an air cooled, two valve, carbureted 650cc boxer twin. Extrapolating out to the Harley’s 2147cc, that boxer twin would be at 165hp and 125 ft lbs of torque. For a more realistic example, (my R65 has a 7,500 rpm redline, a 2147cc engine would not be able to go that high) the new BMW R18 air cooled 1,800 cc engine makes 90hp and 117 ft lbs of torque and redlines at 5750rpm
So theoretically, cheaper to go with a crate engine that a stage IV upgrade.. sounds a hoot.
The SG with the $6,200 131 engine (not including the $400 intake and $700+ exhaust you must install on top of it) is 0.16 seconds and 1.2 mph faster in the 1/4 mile than the bone stock Indian Challenger... ... ...man, I can't wait to see what a stage 2 Challenger is gonna be like.
Don’t know what they did wrong but my 107 rg with an aftermarket cam and full exhaust ran a 12.1 at 107. My bike dynod at 119tq and 110hP.
Raging Ninja bullshit
Raging Ninja aftermarket cam, no cart, and a tune that actually has fuel in it is why yours made that 🤣 why is this so hard for people to understand. This is an emission legal engine.
I_H8_OLD_PPL no he’s not wrong, that’s about what stage 2 M8s with aftermarket cams make. 105-110whp and 115-120tq. I have a 124 M8 making 150whp
6200 for the crate engine but you don’t have to buy the crate engine, you can just get the engine kit for for 2800 I believe. Be about 1500 to have it installed if you don’t do it yourself.
If you stay with all Harley parts, using HD Pro Street Tuner & HD Smart Auto Tuner switch out to the Screaming Eagle Street Cannon Mufflers you will get 120'ish HP / 130'ish TQ all covered under 2 year warranty and Extended Service Plan which is a damn good deal. Grenade the engine and all you are out is $50 co-pay, all else is covered. Run with a Thundermax, DynoJet PowerVision or TTS tuner and a Fullsac or D&D exhaust; expect to get 150 to 160+ HP & TQ but not covered under warranty or ESP.
U Don"t buy a HD for speed your in the wrong shop and yes HD are dear but u don't have to buy one . There's plenty of rockets out there for a fraction of the price .
Yes...they are cruisers, not racers, I don't understand what's so hard to comprehend. ...that's like saying my rolls royce cost $350k but it's not fast......duh, it's a luxury car fool
Trent Dawg except most Rolls Royce are fast, since they’re owned by VAG, they usually have TT W12 engines and AWD with 0-60 times ~3.5 seconds and can do close to 200 mph... comfortably. HD are archaic and slow, and even worse... overpriced.
@@esprokr99 preach it brother
Most HD riders "think" they're fast though. I really believe people don't hate the bike as much as they hate the delusional smack that HD riders talk.
@@trentdawg2832 so why do idiots spend so much on the motor
If Harly Davidson kept the style of their bikes but increased performance and handling - if only😔
Ask them to liquid cool their engines, they can still keep the burble... oh the power they might actually make.
Make them reliable as well
Style is what is dated, old and boring
Harley needs to bring their designs and engines into the 21st century.
Agree and loose some weight..Would be a cracking package but it seems Harley just don't care..Cant see them lasting much longer...
They tried that, and no one bought it
Wow! Almost as much displacement and horsepower as my Camry!!
I dig it 👍🏼
All bikes are cool , if you ride I consider you a brother . I own 2 Hondas and one Harley , I don’t prefer one over the other . I switch it up frequently . It’s nice to get out and ride - whichever you choose :)
✌🏼be safe
You are a true rider..I had a Harley and a CBR 1000 at the same time .funny the reaction I would get depending on which bike I was riding.
@@markcurtis309
Yeah sometimes it was as if I was expected to take sides
I have a Honda GROM-saving up for a ROAD GLIDE HA HA!!
10 thousand dollars later and it's only 120 hp and tq yikes
Doesn't my KLR 650 have more? I think like with first and second gear I think it does
@@Derkiboi It doesn't. It also doesn't weight 900 LB.
@@4tech69 fair enough, I couldn't recall the power band. Nonetheless it's cheaper and more reliable Overall.
Bought a 2002 ZX-9R for 3k, puts out 130hp an does 10's down the quarter mile. 18 year old bike.........
No shit.....I could go blow half that somewhere else completely and be way faster and more powerful. ...
I built a 107" stroker 14 years ago with just about identical power numbers, making power with way more RPMs.
This one passes emissions though 🤣
And if you tuned this one it'd be a lot more.
But you can't legally.
Why compare company motor to backyard builds?
There's no restraints on personal builds
It's about why buy the crate motor when you can do better, for probably less. Not quite a backyard build amigo.
@@Panthercholo because warranty?
Your shit breaks and you gotta spend a couple grand again.
Roman Macias some people live in areas where emissions laws are enforced, and some people buy extended warranty’s or want to keep the factory warranty. Those are the people that buy these. It’s not bad for an air cooled push rod v twin. It puts a lot more power down to the rear tire than the Challenger does, although the challenger is most likely severely detuned and capable of more. When it comes to hot rod v twins, the M8 is by far the king of mountain right now. The TS and the PP aren’t even close. I have a 124 M8 with ported heads etc that put 150whp and 140ft lbs to the rear tire.
I guess I never realized how much faster my F6B's were than Street Glides. What a bargain those bikes were.
Just a big bump away from steering catastrophe...lol
Damn so for roughly 34k you get the performance of a stage 1 Victory. Great Job HD lol
People are laughing at you, not with you.
I have an 07 Arlen Ness Victory Jackpot, 15 Victory Cross Country Tour and a 16 Victory Magnum and i can assure you that while Victory is a far better bike it does not come close to the HP & torque numbers of this 131.
The Freedom 106 puts out about 97HP and 106 Torque, if you are doing stage 1 you can add under 5% increase.
@@snakebite6511 my bike made 104 and 110 with 2 into 1 torque tubez and a tuner. Cams put these bikes exactly in that 131 power range for a lot less than the price of it. So I'm not sure if you're stupid, don't modify your bikes, or just argue with any comment you see just to do it.
Big Daddy Patty wow, someone challenges you with actual stock numbers and you need to insult? Wow, you are a real man, your mother must be so proud of how you turned out!
Moron!
@@snakebite6511 I've got my answer. Lol
false. a 131 with the stock shit canned tune from HD makes more hp and tq than a stage 1 106. gets worse when you put a real dyno tune on it.
In spite of the naysayers, that is mighty impressive performance for a HOG. I bet in real life, on the street, this HD would surprise a fair number of people. Yes it's expensive but quality stuff is not cheap and it separates the men from the boys. I prefer the ninnies not respond, just ride your stuff and carry on.
Men from the boys?
It runs a 12 mate settle down 😂
Why all the hate? We're all on 2-Wheels...enjoy whatever you want. Nothing wrong with hotroddin up a 900 lb sled. We put Busa motors in mini's...we put big blocks in old 50's 5k lb solid steel Mercury's. Petrol heads tweak and twist everything we can out of whatever we want...don't hate, create.
Still love my shovel...
Would love to see that exhaust and intake with a tune on the 114 compared to that stuff on the 131.
You might see those numbers will be very close.
Not even close I've done it you are not picking up any gains from an air cleaner exhaust in tune very little the 131 gave me 40 more horsepower and 40 more torque it is the difference between a supercharged Mustang and a non supercharged Mustang
Ive got 100 miles on my brand new sgs with a stage 1 and intake it’s not enough I’m considering the 131 or doing something to give it a bit more
I am a Harley-Davidson God but love to tell it like it is way overpriced underpowered for yuppies who want to spend money on the motorcycle
Yes I Totally agree! I have a 107 with a T-man 600 Super Max Cam, a Set of heads, S&S head pipes, Zippers chain drive with 5% Bigger sprockets, "Trask" clutch basket and I know I pronounced it wrong. Energy one clutches and Dyno Tuned All for about $5,500 out the Door🚪 And my bike has 130lbs foot Torque. So you Telling Me a New 131. Motor Only has 131lbs foot Torque?
The lesson here is Aftermarket Parts will give you So much more Buck 🦌💵 for your Bang 🧨💥
I doubt if I could pass for a yuppy... Hell, I didn't get a GED till I was almost 30! And that was in a county lockup with time on my hands!
But I did get an HD... Probably the worst one I could get, and it's my first... An '04' Heritage Softail, "88," twin cam...
I had no idea of the nightmare I was getting... I thought I was getting a piece of the American dream... Not a nightmare!!
20 y/o V-Rod would easily out run this monster
You could just buy an sns motor and get 150hp, idk why anyone would buy this.
Triumph and Ducati engineers and marketers must be scared shitless.
Literally shaking in their boots!
Piss dribbling down their legs 😂
@@soorajsaikumar Yeah, pissing themselves laughing
@Greg Souza Sarcasm.
@Greg Souza because they are EXTREMELY worried about Harley Davidson's dominance. 🤣
I love the idea of harley davidson. But why do they just suck so bad at everything?
🤣
Being a Slave to Tradition and "Heritage", got them where they are.
I see no future for them except dwindling market share.
Because you can't ride?
They don't suck so bad at everything, you would have to know more about them than the average person, but harley makes a solid bike. Take a road king on a 400 mile trip, doing 100mph comfortably and without over revving the engine and you'll understand
Jonny Long I can dig that!
for an additonal $10k in parts and labor, plus some mods to clutch, etc, I really can't justify the cost for the numbers you get. The Challenger's 108cu making 122hp/128tq is still faster in 0-60 and 1/4 mile. But a nice engine and step in the right direction.
Not worth the money Harley Davidson charges. My brother bought a 2019 street glide special 114 and did a stage 2 upgrade, and my 2008 Yamaha stratoliner 113ci with tuner and exhaust kicked its a$$ I’d be sticking to my bike for a while.
All this Harley hate! First... I've owned a lot of different bikes from Harleys to hyper nakeds. I love ANYTHING on two wheels with an engine. Even scooters lol. What keeps me coming back to Harleys is the fit and finish, the aftermarket, and the dealer network (try finding a Ducati dealer nearby when you need one on a Sunday afternoon in some random place on a road trip). People love comparing them to Ducatis, BMW GS, R1s, etc... But that's like comparing a Chevelle to a Porsche or a built Jeep. VERY different vehicles but both very cool. I like my Harley because it's comfortable, has that no downshifting required kinda torque, and I can pick from 1000 different seats and 1000 different windshields to get EXACTLY what I want. I wave at anyone on two wheels every chance I get... Even guys on scooters. If you want to tuck and go fast, drag knees, and wail around at 12k RPM, Harleys are not the bike for you... But that doesn't mean it's not the right bike for someone else. Some of us appreciate ALL bikes. It's a better way of life to just enjoy all of them for what they are! Harley haters are no better than the Harley guys that hate sport bikes... Same gang mentality, just a different color.
seems you are impressed with this. well , at least you are having fun and filling your time
Wow my 103 with cams and street port makes 108 hp 117 TQ and still gets 43mpg. Don’t use Harley performance parts lots of much better & cheaper alternatives
Amen to that. I had a Wood Knight Prowler 22x cam put in my 2020 Breakout 114 before I picked her up. She makes about 110hp and over 120ft/lbs of torque.
White Devil
I’m using Andrews 57H cams & I sent the heads out to zippers performance for their mildest Cnc porting and very small increase in valve size. Added a .030 head gasket
So it’s 10.25 :1 compression. Left the stock pistons in. Did it my self so it only cost 650$ for the heads and 265$ for cams , Bearings & push rod kit. 125$ for hy lift Johnson lifters
That’s under 1100$ and I picked up 28hp & 27 ft. Lbs TQ. IMO that’s a great net per dollar
@@scrumthebum2451 that sounds good. I almost went with the zipper cam. I was going to go with the screaming eagle stage 3, but my dealer was actually honest and told me to go with the wood cam, heavy breather intake, short shot pipes and a tune. I spent about the same as you and saved around 1k.
3:57 Others have pointed out that there's something off with the numbers: For the 131 it takes 9.35 secs to get to 100mph. THEN according to the 1/4 mile info it takes another 3.23 secs to get to 106.72mph. Either the 1/4 mile time of the 131 should be quicker or the trap speed higher. IF the performance numbers are correct then the 131 is seriously running out of steam (with 121 hp shouldn't be), has an electronically or gearing limited top speed, or the rider forgot to shift another gear higher. What's going on, here?
I noticed that too, thought it would be in the 10's, then seen 12's for the 1/4. Hmmmnnnn. Gee.
Or geared poorly, most likely forgot about 6th as you could hear it hitting limiter as approaching the end of the run
Actually after watching the 1/4 run for the 131 im sure he only hit the top of 4th... 🤔
Enjoyed your review and the facts. Wow $6000 for 6 mph!
They're selling for $9000
Do you ride around town on your Harley red lined to feel the power.
Yes
Sometimes
i dont have to red line mine to feel the power...
That’s the beauty of these large displacement twins, 110# tq at 2K RPM, you don’t even need to down shift to pass
This is the fastest 2000lb motorcycle i've ever ridden.
But i do find the 100 mile mandatory factory engine rebuild to keep the warranty in effect to be a bit ridiculous.
Wonder if this kit can be done to the 107 models? Seems funny to pay extra for the 114 over the 107, if it’s getting swapped out anyway.
As I understand it, You have to start with the base of a 114 to get the 131 because the flywheels are different (according to one video I watched). A 107 can be built out to a 128. But there are 114 mods with a cam, tuning and exhaust that match the 131 stock numbers. I saw a guy on you tube install an s&s 124 kit on his softail m8 wit numbers in the 140s for tq and hp. He said his new gas mileage was about 26 miles per gallon-no thank you.
Seeing this new bike only makes me want a 50's KHK more.
As mentioned many times below, be happy to ride what you ride. I had a yamaha fz6 before my harley and i enjoyed it. But i love my 2018 harley softail deluxe too. These days comfort, durability and versatility are the priorities, not so much speed. I can load it with bags and a windshield for a long trip or i can strip it down and cruise. What I like most about a harley is that it is a platform that I can modify as my needs and interests change. Upfront costs are a b!+@#, no lie there. it’s made of steel, built like a tank, and will be around for as long as i am. Now if somebody wants to give me a good deal on a 2021 ducatti xdiavel then I’d be happy to expand my moto-portfolio!
130tq is a complete JOKE out of a 131ci..
It should be AT LEAST 155-170tq.
Save your money and to an aftermarket stage 2.
My stage 2 at the wheels makes 116hp and 132tq. In my 2019 HD Ultra Limited 114ci.
Good video though
Oh c'mon. It's pretty good for a 1950 tractor motor 😆
@@user-cx2bk6pm2f lol maybe so, but its AWFUL for a 2020 131ci "performance " engine. The 114ci with cams, aftermarket air intake , exhaust and a tune can do those numbers.
(Mine did)
A good aftermarket 124 or 128 big bore kit will make 140-160hp and 150-165tq for less money
My 04 Yamaha Road star Warrior 102 cubic inches. Does 0-60 in 3sec No joke Google it, and I payed $2400 for it.
cheap bikes who wants them
@@billgonzales8978 cheap doesn't always mean bad.
But if you want a fast reliable cruiser for a good price. Go look at a a Yamaha Road Star Warrior edition.
Dude, sorry. didn't catch ya name...so being...dude, my first time here, and I am impressed how ya break it down for folks like me, and it's all good. I don't have a bike yet, and not much knowledge of the mechanics either.Thumbs up on the like,,,,subscribe....and ALL... Thanks again!
Then you take a turn at high speed with minimal lean angle.
Sold!! I’m doing it!!
Ernesto Mejia why? It will still be slow😂
@@tylercarrell because he is a sucker lol
Wow.. You have like the best job in the world... Just curious how much actual time the engine swap was? Looks like it’s plug and play.. Thanks for the awesome video....
Well, this comment section reminds me of why I rarely waste my time reading them anymore.
Thanks cycle world, enjoyed the video.
My 107 with an aftermarket cam got a better everything lmao. Something is wrong with that. I ran a 12.1 at 107.
i got a 107 too with stage 1 i follow lowrider s 114 with stage 2, i dont understand HD but i'm glad in this case
Seen a video the other day where a dude running a ss475 cam in a 114 outran a 131 stage 4 from Harley. Those numbers on a stage 4 is what people are getting from a SS cam. It's also crazy imo how we have to buy aftermarket non Harley parts to get the bike to sound right.
You didn't mention any clutch upgrades. Don't think the stock clutch will hold up. Also may have to convert to chain drive.$!!
Cheaper to just do the 131 Kit with your current 114!
Roadglide 114, and I understand faster too with the 131 kit over the crate engine.
If it’s an entire engine swap why not just make this the CVO addition or just offer it to those who can afford it right from the factory with the 131 already installed with the lousy 2 year warranty Harley gives? Just saying, since their numbers are already tanking!!
My 2006 Stratoliner 113 would give that 131 a run for it's ransom of a price.
This video is telling in regards to the current issues HD is facing.
760 lbs dry, less HP and less TQ. I used to own that bike. No, it would get demolished by this motor. But it was a screamer in its day. That and the VTX 1800
@@HumbertoYi0878 you got me to thinking what the Star Liners were testing at back in the day.
Cruiser magazine shows the following testing data.
Standing-start quarter-mile acceleration, time/terminal speed: 12.24 sec. / 108.4 mph
Acceleration Times
0 to 60 mph: 3.96 sec.
60 to 80 mph: 3.99 sec.
0 to 100 mph: 10.69 sec.
1/4 Mile times are very close as are 0 to 60, with the Liner slightly ahead. Yes the tests take place eleven years apart however giving up 18 CI the Yamaha is equal to the 131, 14 years later.
The 131 data is at the 3:57 mark in the video.
How many folks know what a 2006 Stratoliner is and there is your answer because everyone knows what a Harley is. How many Stratoliners or Yamahas' do you see on the road compared to Harley's and again there is your answer.
Spend two and a half times more money get less reliability.
There's.... Your... Answer.
I'm glad they're getting past slow Harley's. The price of them isn't really insane when you compare it to other bikes that aren't Japanese. They're usually just really slow and heavy.
Dang. Coming from a sport bike, it's still slow AF but I love the look and I still want one.
How about the difference between the 117 Stage IV and the 131 Stage IV? I had my FXDR installed with the former when I got it in Jan 2019. The Harley dealer was able to get 185.8NM (137.2 lb.ft) @ 3474 RPM / 137.7 hp @ 6166rpm out of it. (check my vids) How would the 131 compare to that in terms of rideability, low end / high end output? The numbers you were getting out of the 131 don't seem to be as high?
It's O.K., but I'm gonna wait for the 132 to become available.
😂
No doubt harley's, bankruptcy won't get away with it!
I have a 124 t-man engine I hunt Gold wings.
So I have a 19 year old Honda Varadero. Wasn't ever considered fast. Yet it's still as quick as that, almost exactly the same performance figures 😂
Damn shame huh
Yes, but you cant get a "Varadero" monogrammed jacket with tassels can you??? Didn't think so.
@@Joe-fi4hv haaa probably not. You'd be in a league of your own if you were to find some or have some custom made LOL
@@Joe-fi4hv how will I live without one?
A cam, intake, pipe and tune on the 114 are about the same numbers...... For almost $6k less. Since you need to have all those except the cam in the 131 swap anyways. They're already 10.5x1, ready for a good cam.
Higher compression ratio puts more stress on the engine. But if you have unlimited budget, by all means.
114 with a comp cam .472 lift and 2into1 exhaust putting those numbers out for less than 3k
Having test rode a Milwaukee 8 114.....It surely didn't feel near 81 hp. To me, the Rushmore engine feels like more power (but still not 81 hp.)
You really can't feel horsepower. You feel torque. Also weight is part of the equation. A 400 hp Corvette feels nothing like a 400 hp RV.
All that money for... This?
I'll just take a K1600 or Concours 14 with ridiculously higher performance and just as much comfort and accessories. For less money.
I'll keep my Connie 14. Not to mention that maintenance is faaaaarrrrrr less effort and money 🙄
@@jasontcolson o
Or an FJR1300...
It won't have just as much comfort but if you need to be told that, maybe just go get the Concours
I try to keep depreciation under 10 cents a mile. Those that can afford near a dollar or so a mile, well, you have my blessing. Going on a $100 dollar 100 mile ride just doesn’t do a thing for me.
At 3:29 the graphs are off. Around 2000 rpm, torque for both motors is equal, but power isn’t. The power curves go on further up the rev range than the torque curves. The torque of the 131 goes up between 2000 and 3000 rpm, yet power of the 131 goes above the 114 power later. All the above are impossible.
You're joking with the leathers....right?
I put a 124 power kit in my 107 and got the same horse power and torque and if I put the S&S heads and throttle body would 150 hp and 165 pound of torque for same money and better qu
If you’d fitting a stage 3 and a better cam, these figures would be much more interesting.
so you buy a new Harley then replace the new motor?....no thanks. vintage forever.
Can you test the T143 engine by S&S?
You can buy new cars for that money that will be faster than this.
Nick Sokolis, then buy a car. Going way back to the early Harleys, the Ford Model T was cheaper than the motorcycles of the day. If there weren't a market for this, they wouldn't do it. This 131 is not for me. But enough people want it. I have a stock 114 RGS. No exhaust, or any other engine mods. My wife and I travel to the Smokey Mountains, two up quite often. At 65 plus mph on the highway, I can quickly pass cars and trucks without downshifting. Couldn't do that with my Twincam. I have had every overhead valve engine that Harley has made. (Except a Knucklehead. I'll never be able to afford one or the parts to build one.) These new 107's and 114's have plenty of power stock, for touring. For racing, well that's a different story.
@@PanM8 or I can spend half of what they are asking for this slow dinosaur and buy a Diavel or a Rocket that will both be faster everywhere, more comfortable, cheaper to run, more reliable and more fun.
@@nicksokolis6343 apples and oranges. Diavel and Rocket Three are not touring bikes. Those bikes, as cool as they are, are not trying to gain that market. Obviously you are looking for speed. Harley isn't for you. So why do you care what others do? You wouldn't have one anyway. And as far as reliability and all of that other false information goes, that was the Shovelhead era and back. And I'm willing to bet that you weren't around then. I could be wrong, but I think it's a pretty good guess. Yes I am an H-D fan. But I appreciate other bikes as well. Just like I prefer trucks over cars. I also have a preference in brand when it comes to trucks as well. (because of experience) And overall, nobody cares what someone else rides or drives. Enjoy what you have. And ride safe. It used to be us as riders against the cages. I don't know when it changed.
@@nicksokolis6343 Why are you even here if that's how you feel? 🤷♂️
Andrew Green well, I was interested to see if Harley has actually made a docent engine because I am a biker myself. But I see that some Harley fanboys have had their feelings hurt that the bikes that they like are slower than cheeper cars. Most other motorcycle would eat this Harley for 1/4 the price.
How do they manage to get so little power out of such a big engine? Its almost impressive
Their cam sucks thays why lol
That cost is not worth the upgrade due to the loss in gas mileage, but if one has the money to burn to say they have a 131ci motor then have at it. To be honest my 107 pulls me around as fast and as strong as it needs to even with a passenger so I am not getting all the hype.
Beautiful bikes, but always reminds me of guys dropping thousands at their diesel engines and coming away with HP numbers not commensurate with dropping thousands on an engine.
88 in.³ is as big as they need all this other stuff silly. I have a 110 screaming eagle and I have had just as much on my 88.
I’d like to see the numbers across the board 107 vs 114 vs 124 vs 114 vs 117 vs 131.
4200 for a stage 4 kit in Australia i hope that comes with better brakes with all that excessive weight