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WOuld be nice if you used a black background for your explainers. White makes them hard to watch at night. (Excluding Honda's own white background pictures. I mean your own explainers.)
Yes, this is a real surprise and I want to see it like be wonky powerful too. What is missing is introduction into the race scene, but I believe the e-turbo/ e-super-charger doesn't fit homologation rules for race setups. Darnit!!!!
@@scottamolinari Maybe racing/factories should create it's own management, and drop these outside "rule makers" who hinder the real progress of mans mind.
Why do we call human advancements "crazy" when they work in reality? It was not that long ago when the Wright brothers were called "crazy". "Thinking" (figuring out reality the best we can), and "crazy" are 2 vastly different things.
Then what would happen if we had a centrifugal vacuum pump to evacuate the air from the cylinder shafted to an electric motor that was shafted to a compressor and a compressor wheel pushing air into the engine
Learning mechanical engineering as a 50 year old, again, you’ve provided a service to us that far exceeds the practical application instruction I ever experienced in college. You’ve got something and thank you. I watch each these with my 10 and 11 year olds and their concepts of mechanical engineering and physics and design are fun to watch and largely fueled by your videos. Keep this going, you’ve provided a great service.
Fun fact: When i saw the honda v3 for the first time, I was immediately anticipating that I needed to wait for your video before getting all the info I need. And of course, that was correct. Thank you for amazing content, as always!
I used to own a NS400 , 3 cylinder 2 stroke, first time the power band hit ,it almost threw me off the bike. I wasn't ready for it. Thankyou for making these videos.
Same here. Gave it a fist full of gas during the test ride (since it was just a 400cc), lifted the front wheel at 50 mph when it hit the power band. Scared the crap out of me. Took it easy for the rest of the ride, then bought the bike.
@@snellen46 They weren’t, the RZ500 was faster and and more powerful than the NS400, the NS went more like a RZ350, I used to race against them in junior production races on my RZ350, they were in the same class.
We learned with 2-stroke Motocross, to always keep a finger on the clutch lever to help control abrupt power. Even with 50 hp, on corners with good traction, we would pull in the clutch while entering a corner, pin the throttle open, and feed the power out with the clutch. That would even let us enter the corner a gear higher than normal, (which also taught us faster corner speed), and not have to shift up again after the exit. The technique was developed by Kent Howerton in the 70's, to keep his Huskvarna competitive the the new and faster Japanese bikes.
The thing I like is that the parasitic load is spread out over time, while the battery alone is running the eCharger. But the alternator still doesn't have to be ginormous. Only large enough for a practical recovery. This is like a series hybrid. Batteries get you on the parkway, and alternator has time to recoup the loss as you noodle along. Good engineering principle. Battery acts like a buffer between the electrical demand and the restoration of power over time.
On the configuration I showedd you got two at tdc and one at bdc. Secondary points up both at bdc and tdc so it's worse than an inline three but secondary isn't really too important on bikes as the reciprocating masses are small.
@@d4a That V5....The mesh on the intakes, was that all "intake filter" these had ? Looked like it was only able to filter birds and medium to large size rocks...
I've asked about this probably ten times on various forums and boards and comment sections over the past 25 years. Always heard back that it was not possible, would have no advantages, or was not practical. Interesting to see that it might finally be possible, advantageous, and practical. Decoupling boost from exhaust or crankshaft just always seemed like a holy grail to me.
That's disappointing since there were no less than _three different_ V3s competing in Motorcycle GP racing more than 25 years ago, two in the same season (BSL and Modenas)! And as mentioned in the video, Honda made two different mass-produced, road-going V3 motorcycles, also more than 25 years ago :) I do love forums for knowledge sharing, but there tends to be too much reliance on non technical "journalism" and what ultimately comes down to image, resulting in some pretty annoying groupthink at times.
Back then they didn’t really have small electric motors that were powerful enough to move the air required. Then you add complexity of powering, charging, and controlling the whole system. With a traditional supercharger it’s much easier because the belt means the supercharger spins slower as the engine spins slower and needs less air and also spins faster as the engine needs more air. To an extent the same is true for a turbo because it will naturally spin faster as engine rpm increases because there’s more exhaust flow. With an electric compressor you’d need a control system so you aren’t over boosting at low rpm and under boosting at high rpm. And, you’d want higher voltage so it can have enough power without a very large motor and wiring. Which means a separate battery back with controllers. And, possibly also an extra high voltage charger of some sort. At the end of the day it’s interesting, but not particularly practical. About the closest they’ve gotten is some hybrid turbos that have an electric motor to keep it spooled. They can also be used as a generator to recharge the batteries. Those have benefits, but the turbine is still doing most of the work.
It was much better, with more real progress,---when we did not bend to the expensive dictatorship demands of the likes of the EPA. It's none of their business. :)
@@In-Marty-We-Trust The "Magna" was due to marketing copyright laws, the V45 and V65 represented the 45 c.i. and 65 c.i. versions. The Ford Mustang was called the T5 in Germany because "Mustang" was already copyrighted by another company. Was it simply called a V45 or V65 in Australia?
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While some may criticize the use of an electric compressor as unnecessary or complicated, it is a huge step forward in improving performance and reducing emissions. Honda has always been known for their innovative spirit, and this V3 engine continues to affirm their position in the automotive industry.
I'm thinking 🤔 on a car with more room. They could use a hybrid turbo that works like a regular turbo. But also has an electric motor for low rpm boost that is coupled to the turbo shaft by a small magnetic electric clutch.
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Brilliant explanations as usual. The naked roadster V3 Honda will be my first Honda and force induction motorcycle. This is shaping up to be the most interesting motorcycle of this decade
Sounds like it will also have the most advanced electrical system of any motorcycle to date too. Possibly a 2nd high performance lithium ion battery just to run the supercharger?
If you know how honda works, this won't come out as a naked or sportbuke6 My bet is something like an vfr, v3r maybe Later they may go for sport or naked Besides the cbr rrr still has at least 2 years of production, and the new hornet 1000 just came out, you need thar torque curve flat on sports tourer bikes
Incidentally it is an electrically powered *supercharger* . The Germans call it a Kompressor but the English word is supercharger. During WW2 there was a huge competition between engines with superchargers and turbochargers, or even both, with one US aircraft being basically a frame wrapped around a huge turbocharger installation. Turbochargers didn't give as much benefit as hoped for because some thrust was being generated by aiming engine exhausts backwards, and the turbocharger absorbs energy from the exhaust. One interesting approach is to have an electric supercharger and a turbocharger driving an auxiliary generator, with a battery providing power for rapid spinup. I'm very willing to be corrected, but I believe this has only been tried on ships.
Audi used a 48V electrical supercharger to assist the bi/twin turbo 4 litre V8 diesel engine. Recently discontinued, used in: SQ7 SQ8 Porsche Cayenne Bentley Bentayga
It seems like a regular supercharger would be a better more reliable option if they want it to be mounted high and take up less space just have it attached to one of the cams you can gear it back to crank speeds or faster and still be smaller than that electric motor
@@MikeHoncho0811 But the electrical compressor isn't connected to the engine revs, so can adjust boost levels independently from them, enabling the flatter torque curve. The supercharger approach provides a constant boost over the whole rev range, with this linked in boost level to the rpm. The ideal setup would be a turbocharger to provide constant cruising boost and energy recovery, with an electrical compressor providing boost at low revs and to fill gaps until the turbo spools up. That's the setup in my Audi S4 TDI combined with a 48V MLEV system.
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This design is about meeting Euro6 emissions. That means lower piston circumference and peak power at lower rpm, because valve overlap is no longer possible. The assumption is electric power is coming from a larger alternator, but it may be coming from an energy harvesting motor in the front wheel.
@@jondor654 you don't want to be _regenerating_ "on demand" unless the rider has demanded some braking power. The size of the battery could offset any weight savings by going to 3 cylinders and then you need something to control all the current flow at the correct voltages between the different components.
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I like the way you explain stuff in all your videos, its so to understandable what your talking about and your illustrations. I learnd so much from your videos thank you, you're a wonderful teacher
They’ve made a V3 before, so it was only a matter of time before they would make another one, this time a 4-stroke too! I can’t wait to hear how it sounds, or better yet. Which bike it’s going in.
One way to look at the electric turbo is that over time we store power in the battery, ideally when the engine is running at a high efficiency, and then we use that stored energy to boost the input when we want more power, all without pulling any power away from the engine at that time. So really this is a battery booster ;-)
Not really, a 'battery booster' would be something that gives your battery a boost of charge. I suspect you were trying to say its a 'battery powered booster' 😉 But I think Hondas term is perfectly accurate and acceptable.
E-charger is only for drivability and power for downsizing . Efficiency is not a target, because there isn't a turbo-generator too. For motorbikes application, is better a bigger V-twin with a direct stratified injection, I think😊
Thank you so much for using CAD and helping with the visualisation of the force vectors, that really helped a lot with understanding it. You would make an amazing college professor if you aren't one already!
I'd love to see the electric supercharger system used with a sorta hybrid-esque powertrain, like, add ebike-style hub motors to the front and rear to use as dynamic brakes to charge an independent, higher-voltage battery bank (or even supercapacitors) for the blower whenever you slow down. Effectively multiplies your energy input (via regen braking) into gaining MUCH more output power by using it to supercharge a combustion engine instead of just putting it back into the electric motors, plus for continuous boost it can sorta function as a traditional supercharger by siphoning power off the driveline and putting it into the supercharger, since modern brushless motors and centrifugal superchargers have efficiency on par with an oldschool straight-lobe Roots blower when used together.
Another point about not having to run continuously is that for "short bursts of boost" it can draw some (half+?) energy from the battery, whereas if continuous the alternator needs to have at least the same power rating as the compressor motor, thus allowing for a smaller alternator. I would not be surprised if it had a 24 or 36 volt motor/battery/alternator system and a solid state voltage reducer to charge the 12 volt battery.
Check out the upcoming BMW F450GS Concept's engine 125º crankshaft. Wonder how this layout will be different pros and cons compare to other 180º and 270º mainstream layout, hopefully you could do an explanation for this, look forward to it.
Before seeing the video, i didnt graduate at mechanical engineering but from i could gather its the kind of creation i love, adapted to a product organically. I always wanted to work on chasis and suspensions, because i knew when i started 2001 that someday the propulsion could be radically changed, but the structure and suspensions will keep following same principles. Lets check out if your deep dive changes my minds.
@@nbain66 The RC149 of 1966 is my favourite, 125cc Inline 5.....33mm x 29mm Bore & stroke, with four tiny valves per cylinder, revving to 18,000 RPM putting 30hp thru an 8 speed box. You would almost need tweezers to assemble the valve train.😄
The MVX was a terrible bike, I started my first job on the parts counter at the local Honda dealer in 84, and we sold them, they were forever blowing up the rear cylinder. Between the issues of MVX, the VF750, the FT500 and the CBX550, we were kept busy in the parts dept, tough times for Honda.
Thanks for your educating videos. I learned about the combustion engine when I was a kid. It was fascinating. It's still fascinating to learn about how new engines work. Your quality work makes it so attractive to watch and learn.
Some thoughts. It would be better to call it an “electric supercharger”. And I’m looking forward to someone creating an alternator driven by an exhaust turbine. That way you’d get the benefits of the electric supercharger, combined with the “free energy” from exhaust gasses. Very cool tech. Thanks for the video.
Every current Formula 1 car has a generator on the turbocharger shaft to capture additional energy with the turbine, beyond what is needed to run the compressor - this is called the MGU-H. The production turbochargers with an electric motor (such as the Audi shown in the video) could also use that for generation.
My 2nd bike was an NS400R. I can attest to the smoothness of the V3 configuration. That bike was a blast. The main downside was you smelled like an oil refinery after riding it as it was a 2 stroke. But it punched well above it's weight. That era had several similar options from Yamaha and Suzuki as well, but those were inline 4 cylinder 2 stroke bikes.
Thanks for the video, learned some things about Honda's V3 engine configuration and problem solving. Still I would like to see the battery that will juice this e-compressor.
It is an electrical supercharger, not a turbocharger. It is taking power from the engine as electricity and, through a battery and controller instead of belts and gears, sending it to the supercharger.
You've done it again, explained something really complicated in a simplified way. Really interesting. I ride a VFR1200x, which for those in the know VFR stands for V 4 Racing derived engine. Where the two internal cylinders are rear facing and the front two are on the external. This reduces the frame width. The VTR should be even slimmer. I look forward to it's launch and then the later additions with larger, more powerful engines. Great vid. 👍🏼
The intake motor, additional battery and beefier alternator must add more weight than you estimated. However, with a much smaller capacity than a typical car engine the electric forced induction should work well. The main thing is though it will be fun! The engine will sound gnarly and combined with the intake whine and extra shove the bike should be a blast to ride.
Your videos, in addition to being extremely instructive, are very good to watch. Congratulations. I've been waiting for this V3 engine from Honda for a long time, a project based on the extraordinary V5 from the Moto GP.
Cool presentation, clear speech, excellent English, plus a very interesting topic about my favorite Honda! - why You was not my teacher 40 years ago!? :) Thanks a lot and Happy New Year! And yes, this issue from Honda will be the revolution on moto!
Really enjoy your videos. You do such a great job explaining concepts for simple minds. I love them. Why has no one other motorcycle manufactuerer though about an electrical driven compressor before. Would like to see a video on why turbos were all the rage in the early 1980s and then disapperared from manufactuiring on motorcycles.
An uneven firing interval on a motorcycle actually does have advantages. The uneven application of power causes the tires to slip less abruptly which helps the driver "feel" when they are approaching that condition. This is mainly relevant on a race track; on public roads you should probably stay well away from driving in a way that gets you anywhere close to slipping your tires. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the channel where I learned that.
Great content as we are used to ❤ In the animation of the compressor I am a bit puzzled by the flow of the air. IMO the air gets sucked in at the center. I may be wrong of course 😕
I knew that they were using same principles on this as they did way back 20 years ago. Well, it goes to show just how much time it takes for a technology to be refined enough for consumer mass production. Thanks for the video.
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WOuld be nice if you used a black background for your explainers. White makes them hard to watch at night. (Excluding Honda's own white background pictures. I mean your own explainers.)
Good to see that Honda is doing crazy stuffs again.
Yes, this is a real surprise and I want to see it like be wonky powerful too. What is missing is introduction into the race scene, but I believe the e-turbo/ e-super-charger doesn't fit homologation rules for race setups. Darnit!!!!
honda finally released a consumer v8 with vtec but they put it in boats ......
@@scottamolinari Maybe racing/factories should create it's own management, and drop these outside "rule makers" who hinder the real progress of mans mind.
Why do we call human advancements "crazy" when they work in reality? It was not that long ago when the Wright brothers were called "crazy". "Thinking" (figuring out reality the best we can), and "crazy" are 2 vastly different things.
@@EarthSurferUSA Don't take it so literally. Crazy as, doing something to break the mold. To advance engine tech, etc. That's what he means.
e-comp kicked in yo !
🤣
E-conp+V-TEC 🥵🥴💦
Then what would happen if we had a centrifugal vacuum pump to evacuate the air from the cylinder shafted to an electric motor that was shafted to a compressor and a compressor wheel pushing air into the engine
lol!
@@demonthewolfmovieproductio6884lots of loss. What about a Tesla turbine that runs off brake fluids and spins a compressor
Learning mechanical engineering as a 50 year old, again, you’ve provided a service to us that far exceeds the practical application instruction I ever experienced in college. You’ve got something and thank you. I watch each these with my 10 and 11 year olds and their concepts of mechanical engineering and physics and design are fun to watch and largely fueled by your videos. Keep this going, you’ve provided a great service.
Fun fact: When i saw the honda v3 for the first time, I was immediately anticipating that I needed to wait for your video before getting all the info I need. And of course, that was correct. Thank you for amazing content, as always!
I don't know if that was a fact, but nothing was fun about it, I do know that.
@@fhe3220 cool 👌
@@fhe3220 Look at a infant child's face smile, when they figure something out. Figuring stuff out is fun, and it is human to do so. :)
@@fhe3220Fun fact! Some people are Richards, just like you...
I used to own a NS400 , 3 cylinder 2 stroke, first time the power band hit ,it almost threw me off the bike. I wasn't ready for it. Thankyou for making these videos.
Same here. Gave it a fist full of gas during the test ride (since it was just a 400cc), lifted the front wheel at 50 mph when it hit the power band. Scared the crap out of me. Took it easy for the rest of the ride, then bought the bike.
These sounded great!! better than my RZ500
@@snellen46 They weren’t, the RZ500 was faster and and more powerful than the NS400, the NS went more like a RZ350, I used to race against them in junior production races on my RZ350, they were in the same class.
@@uhtred7860 I only said they soundfed better, I owned both. Honda also handle way better stock
We learned with 2-stroke Motocross, to always keep a finger on the clutch lever to help control abrupt power. Even with 50 hp, on corners with good traction, we would pull in the clutch while entering a corner, pin the throttle open, and feed the power out with the clutch. That would even let us enter the corner a gear higher than normal, (which also taught us faster corner speed), and not have to shift up again after the exit. The technique was developed by Kent Howerton in the 70's, to keep his Huskvarna competitive the the new and faster Japanese bikes.
The thing I like is that the parasitic load is spread out over time, while the battery alone is running the eCharger. But the alternator still doesn't have to be ginormous. Only large enough for a practical recovery. This is like a series hybrid. Batteries get you on the parkway, and alternator has time to recoup the loss as you noodle along. Good engineering principle. Battery acts like a buffer between the electrical demand and the restoration of power over time.
Prototype, and aluminum.
If you have a big enough alternator and battery you can just charge it only when braking. Which means it's completely free energy.
I like 👍
@@danieltanuwijaya7675not really
@@danieltanuwijaya7675 get your point but not quite right the "free energy" was put in the mass via the fuel.
But but you didn't mention the secondary balance of the v3! I need to see a graph or something so I can sleep
On the configuration I showedd you got two at tdc and one at bdc. Secondary points up both at bdc and tdc so it's worse than an inline three but secondary isn't really too important on bikes as the reciprocating masses are small.
@@d4a That V5....The mesh on the intakes, was that all "intake filter" these had ?
Looked like it was only able to filter birds and medium to large size rocks...
@@JohnDoe-bd5sz it was a racing engine for motogp so they only cared about max airflow
@@JohnDoe-bd5szit's an engine only used for racing. Everything about it to maximize performance
I would think that it is possible that secondary unbalance is very small.
Small displacement engines always have the coolest engineering features, long live the combustion engine!
They can get away with being lazy like a American V8
@@krusher74 (can't?)
long live combustion but not piston engines they’re inherently inefficient at their job
@@hazza2247 true, so much wasted fuel
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I've asked about this probably ten times on various forums and boards and comment sections over the past 25 years. Always heard back that it was not possible, would have no advantages, or was not practical. Interesting to see that it might finally be possible, advantageous, and practical.
Decoupling boost from exhaust or crankshaft just always seemed like a holy grail to me.
That's disappointing since there were no less than _three different_ V3s competing in Motorcycle GP racing more than 25 years ago, two in the same season (BSL and Modenas)!
And as mentioned in the video, Honda made two different mass-produced, road-going V3 motorcycles, also more than 25 years ago :)
I do love forums for knowledge sharing, but there tends to be too much reliance on non technical "journalism" and what ultimately comes down to image, resulting in some pretty annoying groupthink at times.
Part of it is advances in low cost very high output brushless motors.
@@identiticrisis I was referring to the electronic compression, rather than the V3 configuration.
@@niveketihw1897 ah well that's still odd!
Back then they didn’t really have small electric motors that were powerful enough to move the air required. Then you add complexity of powering, charging, and controlling the whole system. With a traditional supercharger it’s much easier because the belt means the supercharger spins slower as the engine spins slower and needs less air and also spins faster as the engine needs more air. To an extent the same is true for a turbo because it will naturally spin faster as engine rpm increases because there’s more exhaust flow.
With an electric compressor you’d need a control system so you aren’t over boosting at low rpm and under boosting at high rpm.
And, you’d want higher voltage so it can have enough power without a very large motor and wiring. Which means a separate battery back with controllers. And, possibly also an extra high voltage charger of some sort.
At the end of the day it’s interesting, but not particularly practical. About the closest they’ve gotten is some hybrid turbos that have an electric motor to keep it spooled. They can also be used as a generator to recharge the batteries. Those have benefits, but the turbine is still doing most of the work.
To those who understood the v5 explanation, this is not brain pain at all. It's just beautiful
I'm one of those who feel like they understand videos like the V5 but forget the whole thing the moment they finish the video
it's like watching a perfectly conducted symphony
So happy to see Honda doing cool engine designs, that look like it will show up in real consumer product.
It was much better, with more real progress,---when we did not bend to the expensive dictatorship demands of the likes of the EPA. It's none of their business. :)
I can't wait to hear how this engine sounds. Honda puts the time and quality into its engines. I would bet that this one is no different.
Retired motorcycle mechanic here,
Honda's V4 Magna was my favorite of all bikes (near 100) i've ridden.
I've got a 2000 model vfr800.
V4 with the gear driven cams. Amazing engine
Had a V45 in the early 80's. Loved it but it needed forward controls.
Wow Honda had a Magna? In Australia we had a Mitsubishi Magna sedan
@@In-Marty-We-Trust The "Magna" was due to marketing copyright laws, the V45 and V65 represented the 45 c.i. and 65 c.i. versions. The Ford Mustang was called the T5 in Germany because "Mustang" was already copyrighted by another company. Was it simply called a V45 or V65 in Australia?
@@In-Marty-We-Trust and Magna wagon
Very interesting, thanks for the explanation. Happy New Year.
Happy New Year to you too ☺️
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While some may criticize the use of an electric compressor as unnecessary or complicated, it is a huge step forward in improving performance and reducing emissions. Honda has always been known for their innovative spirit, and this V3 engine continues to affirm their position in the automotive industry.
used a battery leaf blower on a friend's intake back in the day at the track lol.
I'm thinking 🤔 on a car with more room. They could use a hybrid turbo that works like a regular turbo. But also has an electric motor for low rpm boost that is coupled to the turbo shaft by a small magnetic electric clutch.
@@bmxerkrantz How well did the leaf blower work?
What is this AI comment? Lol
Is this not obvious to everyone?
ok chatgpt
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Brilliant explanations as usual. The naked roadster V3 Honda will be my first Honda and force induction motorcycle. This is shaping up to be the most interesting motorcycle of this decade
Sounds like it will also have the most advanced electrical system of any motorcycle to date too.
Possibly a 2nd high performance lithium ion battery just to run the supercharger?
@@volvo09 i was reading in another article that the Goldwing alternator is powerful enough to the needs of this e-charger
If you know how honda works, this won't come out as a naked or sportbuke6
My bet is something like an vfr, v3r maybe
Later they may go for sport or naked
Besides the cbr rrr still has at least 2 years of production, and the new hornet 1000 just came out, you need thar torque curve flat on sports tourer bikes
I want to see a v7 engine. That would be incredible
One other factor that I do not believe was mentioned is the additional energy expended creating the added electrical output.
Incidentally it is an electrically powered *supercharger* . The Germans call it a Kompressor but the English word is supercharger.
During WW2 there was a huge competition between engines with superchargers and turbochargers, or even both, with one US aircraft being basically a frame wrapped around a huge turbocharger installation. Turbochargers didn't give as much benefit as hoped for because some thrust was being generated by aiming engine exhausts backwards, and the turbocharger absorbs energy from the exhaust.
One interesting approach is to have an electric supercharger and a turbocharger driving an auxiliary generator, with a battery providing power for rapid spinup. I'm very willing to be corrected, but I believe this has only been tried on ships.
Audi used a 48V electrical supercharger to assist the bi/twin turbo 4 litre V8 diesel engine.
Recently discontinued, used in:
SQ7
SQ8
Porsche Cayenne
Bentley Bentayga
It seems like a regular supercharger would be a better more reliable option if they want it to be mounted high and take up less space just have it attached to one of the cams you can gear it back to crank speeds or faster and still be smaller than that electric motor
Bentley Blower
Kompressor/Compressor is not entirely wrong as compressing air is all it does
@@MikeHoncho0811 But the electrical compressor isn't connected to the engine revs, so can adjust boost levels independently from them, enabling the flatter torque curve. The supercharger approach provides a constant boost over the whole rev range, with this linked in boost level to the rpm. The ideal setup would be a turbocharger to provide constant cruising boost and energy recovery, with an electrical compressor providing boost at low revs and to fill gaps until the turbo spools up. That's the setup in my Audi S4 TDI combined with a 48V MLEV system.
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This design is about meeting Euro6 emissions. That means lower piston circumference and peak power at lower rpm, because valve overlap is no longer possible. The assumption is electric power is coming from a larger alternator, but it may be coming from an energy harvesting motor in the front wheel.
A braking regen on battery demand might fulfill the latter .
@@jondor654 you don't want to be _regenerating_ "on demand" unless the rider has demanded some braking power. The size of the battery could offset any weight savings by going to 3 cylinders and then you need something to control all the current flow at the correct voltages between the different components.
Who is this guy? I've been subscribed for a year or two. He's brilliant for being technically correct 99.9% of the time.
Your presentation is a refreshing rarity of the TH-cam universe. Read. No editing every sentence. Damn it’s refreshing.
Ive been buying and working on Hondas since 1980.
Always impressed.
Been waiting for this episode for a while now. Thank you!!
I been watching since the begining. Great stuff. Your energy is what it's all about.
Dziękujemy.
Thank you very much for your support
I come from a time of single BSA 441, and 650 Yamaha twins,
Balance is unheard of, may explain my arthritis though
Even if you don't happen to be right about the balance of the v3 please don't delete this video! It's incredible!
I really enjoyed your vector diagrams showing how primary balance is achieved. Your CGI is very helpful.
i learn new things every time you speak
Thank you for consistently posting interesting and informative content. Having a teacher with a good sense of humor always makes it easier for me to pay attention. Happy Christmas and Merry New Year!
Was waiting for this one for sure. Really interested to know how the hell this thing will work.
Your videos should be a MUST in all Engineering Mech Degrees!!!!
I like the way you explain stuff in all your videos, its so to understandable what your talking about and your illustrations.
I learnd so much from your videos thank you, you're a wonderful teacher
I will never get tired of this channel 🥰
They’ve made a V3 before, so it was only a matter of time before they would make another one, this time a 4-stroke too! I can’t wait to hear how it sounds, or better yet. Which bike it’s going in.
I think a new VFR ! So a VT(hree)R
I made a simulation of it, with a 0,435, 360 firing order like in this video it sounds a lot like a V10
@ Is it on the Engine Simulator website?
I've been waiting for this video, i can't wait to see this bike platform hit production
One way to look at the electric turbo is that over time we store power in the battery, ideally when the engine is running at a high efficiency, and then we use that stored energy to boost the input when we want more power, all without pulling any power away from the engine at that time. So really this is a battery booster ;-)
Now THAT'S a hybrid I can get behind
Not really, a 'battery booster' would be something that gives your battery a boost of charge.
I suspect you were trying to say its a 'battery powered booster' 😉
But I think Hondas term is perfectly accurate and acceptable.
@@pc750-V4🤓
Supercharger
E-charger is only for drivability and power for downsizing .
Efficiency is not a target, because there isn't a turbo-generator too.
For motorbikes application, is better a bigger V-twin with a direct stratified injection, I think😊
Thank you so much for using CAD and helping with the visualisation of the force vectors, that really helped a lot with understanding it. You would make an amazing college professor if you aren't one already!
If anyones wondering about the sound, this configuration would sound like the old laverda 3 cylinders like the laverda 1000.
Love that bike😅😅😅
Honda engineers are something else… very detailed and simple to understand breakdown. Thank you sir
I'd love to see the electric supercharger system used with a sorta hybrid-esque powertrain, like, add ebike-style hub motors to the front and rear to use as dynamic brakes to charge an independent, higher-voltage battery bank (or even supercapacitors) for the blower whenever you slow down. Effectively multiplies your energy input (via regen braking) into gaining MUCH more output power by using it to supercharge a combustion engine instead of just putting it back into the electric motors, plus for continuous boost it can sorta function as a traditional supercharger by siphoning power off the driveline and putting it into the supercharger, since modern brushless motors and centrifugal superchargers have efficiency on par with an oldschool straight-lobe Roots blower when used together.
I'm also wondering if this engine could be used as a range extender in cars. It's compact, light, clean and has good power output.
Another point about not having to run continuously is that for "short bursts of boost" it can draw some (half+?) energy from the battery, whereas if continuous the alternator needs to have at least the same power rating as the compressor motor, thus allowing for a smaller alternator. I would not be surprised if it had a 24 or 36 volt motor/battery/alternator system and a solid state voltage reducer to charge the 12 volt battery.
Check out the upcoming BMW F450GS Concept's engine 125º crankshaft. Wonder how this layout will be different pros and cons compare to other 180º and 270º mainstream layout, hopefully you could do an explanation for this, look forward to it.
Ever since Honda dropped the news about its new V3, I’ve been waiting for your video on this!! 😊 Thanks!! Love your videos. ❤ Keep them coming!! 👏🏽
Brilliant thank you, really appreciate all the effort you put into researching this. .. love this channel 🤟🏽
Before seeing the video, i didnt graduate at mechanical engineering but from i could gather its the kind of creation i love, adapted to a product organically. I always wanted to work on chasis and suspensions, because i knew when i started 2001 that someday the propulsion could be radically changed, but the structure and suspensions will keep following same principles. Lets check out if your deep dive changes my minds.
You're incredible, keep making content!
Thanks for appearing in suggested feed. This was highly informative
Even crazier when you think that this isn't Honda's first V3...
Yes the unusually sounding nsr 400 👍
And MVX250
Look at their 60s motorcycle engines. They had most configurations you can think of revving to the high teens in rpm.
@@nbain66 The RC149 of 1966 is my favourite, 125cc Inline 5.....33mm x 29mm Bore & stroke, with four tiny valves per cylinder, revving to 18,000 RPM putting 30hp thru an 8 speed box. You would almost need tweezers to assemble the valve train.😄
The MVX was a terrible bike, I started my first job on the parts counter at the local Honda dealer in 84, and we sold them, they were forever blowing up the rear cylinder. Between the issues of MVX, the VF750, the FT500 and the CBX550, we were kept busy in the parts dept, tough times for Honda.
“We’re going to completely ignore this” and smile from ear to ear lol :D
Finally innovation in ice
Thanks for your educating videos. I learned about the combustion engine when I was a kid. It was fascinating. It's still fascinating to learn about how new engines work. Your quality work makes it so attractive to watch and learn.
Some thoughts. It would be better to call it an “electric supercharger”. And I’m looking forward to someone creating an alternator driven by an exhaust turbine. That way you’d get the benefits of the electric supercharger, combined with the “free energy” from exhaust gasses. Very cool tech. Thanks for the video.
Every current Formula 1 car has a generator on the turbocharger shaft to capture additional energy with the turbine, beyond what is needed to run the compressor - this is called the MGU-H. The production turbochargers with an electric motor (such as the Audi shown in the video) could also use that for generation.
big fan of the e compressor idea... for decades! good to see tech has caught up for it to be used
Please never stop uploading🙏 I can't imagine a world without D4A content💯
When I first read about this for a brief moment I thought it was going to function like a inline 2 cylinder with the third acting like a compressor.
My 2nd bike was an NS400R. I can attest to the smoothness of the V3 configuration. That bike was a blast. The main downside was you smelled like an oil refinery after riding it as it was a 2 stroke. But it punched well above it's weight. That era had several similar options from Yamaha and Suzuki as well, but those were inline 4 cylinder 2 stroke bikes.
rg500= square 4.
RD500= v4.
@@impulse_guy_22 Sorry, I knew they were 4 cylinders, I just assumed they were inlines. Cheers.
Due to you, engineering is more interesting to me! Thanks
Always great content! I can't wait for the mods and upgrades we'll be able to do on this masterpiece of an engine😉!
Hey Bro I love your videos.
Very clear and common sense.....
Do you make the engine animations yourself?
Thank you. Yes, I do. Fusion 360 for now. Might switch to Onshape in the near future
@@d4a That’s actually very impressive thank you for your hard work.
@@d4a Very nice, I use SolidWorks for over 20 years now. It's the absolute best. So easy and common sense. Nice Work!
Thanks for the video, learned some things about Honda's V3 engine configuration and problem solving.
Still I would like to see the battery that will juice this e-compressor.
I'm sitting at the toilet and learning advanced mechanics by a great teacher. What a time to be alive!
The research and the dynamic graphics you present are absolutely amazing !!!
Just saw that engine on insta and new that u would make a video on it. Absolute madlad u are bruv
I have never given engineers enough credit - this was pretty fascinating to learn just how much design goes into the weight calibration.
It is an electrical supercharger, not a turbocharger. It is taking power from the engine as electricity and, through a battery and controller instead of belts and gears, sending it to the supercharger.
Thank you and thank God that you've fixed your mic.
Maybe two cylinders with one the CC of the two?
Turbo❌supercharger✅
You've done it again, explained something really complicated in a simplified way. Really interesting. I ride a VFR1200x, which for those in the know VFR stands for V 4 Racing derived engine. Where the two internal cylinders are rear facing and the front two are on the external. This reduces the frame width. The VTR should be even slimmer. I look forward to it's launch and then the later additions with larger, more powerful engines. Great vid. 👍🏼
V3, V5, we just need a V7
V4 combind with inline 4 to weird v6 for a small car like honda civic
We also need a v9 so we have v twin up to v12 (idr there being a v14)
It will end up at a monster V13 which will explode because, well you know, 13... and bad luck and all...
Thanks I hate it
The intake motor, additional battery and beefier alternator must add more weight than you estimated. However, with a much smaller capacity than a typical car engine the electric forced induction should work well. The main thing is though it will be fun! The engine will sound gnarly and combined with the intake whine and extra shove the bike should be a blast to ride.
I got traumatized by that shitty AI voiceover, im glad i can use the original one
What AI voiceover?
Get a grip of your life AI is the way forward whether you like it or not. You have no choice but to go with the flow or not be in the flow pathetic
Yeah the auto-translated audio tracks are quite lifeless
@@d4a theyre talking about the audio tracks, they are sometimes auto enabled
How to disable it from a mobile browser? The only way I see is to use the desktop mode, but is not very simple.
You're an excellent teacher of the complicated engineering things. Thank you
Isnt that technically an electric centrifugal supercharger basically?
You do such a good job explaining these factors that I think I know more than I do.
Some companies call them electric superchargers
The channel that anybody watch and still don’t understand but ❤it!!
Most journalists have no idea what they're talking about, so it's expected they call things by the wrong terminology.
Thanks D4A, I remember your rcv211 vid, and you I think you're spot on the crankshaft tech so far!
This is a really great video! Subscribed to see if you got the motor balance right in the future! Theory looks good to me hahaha
Your videos, in addition to being extremely instructive, are very good to watch. Congratulations. I've been waiting for this V3 engine from Honda for a long time, a project based on the extraordinary V5 from the Moto GP.
Cool presentation, clear speech, excellent English, plus a very interesting topic about my favorite Honda! - why You was not my teacher 40 years ago!? :) Thanks a lot and Happy New Year! And yes, this issue from Honda will be the revolution on moto!
Really enjoy your videos. You do such a great job explaining concepts for simple minds. I love them. Why has no one other motorcycle manufactuerer though about an electrical driven compressor before. Would like to see a video on why turbos were all the rage in the early 1980s and then disapperared from manufactuiring on motorcycles.
An uneven firing interval on a motorcycle actually does have advantages. The uneven application of power causes the tires to slip less abruptly which helps the driver "feel" when they are approaching that condition. This is mainly relevant on a race track; on public roads you should probably stay well away from driving in a way that gets you anywhere close to slipping your tires.
I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't the channel where I learned that.
Excellent video! It's very fascinating to see how the primary balance functions within this engine! Keep up the good work! 👍
I have ridden an mvx 250 a few times, very unique bike,the rear cylinder tended to seize due to lack of cooling, very interesting video
Can’t wait to see this on a bike.
Props for putting the Ad at the way! 👍🏻
Great content as we are used to ❤
In the animation of the compressor I am a bit puzzled by the flow of the air. IMO the air gets sucked in at the center. I may be wrong of course 😕
I knew that they were using same principles on this as they did way back 20 years ago. Well, it goes to show just how much time it takes for a technology to be refined enough for consumer mass production. Thanks for the video.
happy solstice! love your content, so well presented
Brilliant and education related sponsors are the only ones that I’m never mad about ppl pitching
🥰It is so satisfying to see when something is well thought out 😍