My New Favorite Rear Shocks for Harley Baggers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ค. 2019
- We invited the guys from Russ Wernimont Designs down to give us a pair of their new Touring chassis Harley-Davidson rear Shocks. Carson Wernimont gave us the run down on these "piggy back" 13 inch rear shocks. I took the bike out and let it rip.
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Thanks Matt, I like the subject. No one else is really getting into depth, or even talking about suspension options for harley touring. I know you have done comparisons before, would love for you to get yourself and all the suspension experts together to go over the good and bad of all the brands including harley. Great stuff
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Great video Matt! I’ve now got 15,000 miles on my RS-1’s and I could not be happier. On the highway they are so plush...but in the curves, they track and handle incredible. I have them set on the softest setting and not once have they bottomed out...whereas the stock shocks did bottom daily! As far as length for shorter riders.....I went with the 13” which does raise the seat height by 1/2”. While that small amount wasn’t noticeable for me, I did have Mean City Cycles lower my stock seat by 1” and add their double layer memory foam option. Between the shocks and seat...500-800 miles days are easy and so enjoyable!
Love the fit & finish. Totally trick. A vehicle can always be tweaked, tuned and improved through upgrades. This shouldn’t be a question of why when you pay what you pay for anything. It’s all part of the customization world. OEM serves it’s purpose very well for many undiscriminating riders. For all else there’s upgrading. Keep’m Coming Matt.
Thanks man.
Love these shocks. Massive difference in comfort. Worth every penny
Matt, as always...honest, to the point and informative. Thanks again!
No, he is just trying to sell you more useless shit.
@@flyingdog1498 Don't watch then Asshole!
Answered the questions I hadn't thought about asking yet. Thanks Matt!
Thanks Matt. Your content is always well produced and helpful. I'm adding these to my 21 CVO Street Glide.
Thanks great review and answered some of my questions with your q&a at the end great job always look forward to your videos
Thanks Matt been waiting for these RWD shocks. Russ builds quality products and his knowledge of-shocks is second none.
LDC Nivomat from Wilbers is the best in my mind.No adjusting sag or rebound .Must also say if you change the rear you may also think about changing the FRONT as well.
Just put these shocks on my 18 RGU. Amazing difference on sharp back jaring bumps. Can't wait to go put some big miles on them tomorrow. Thanks for great review Matt!
Hey Kurt...im considering these for my 18 rgs and was wondering if u still loved em? Did u get standard or heavy duty? I weigh 220 but dont do a ton of 2 up riding so dont know whether to go standard or heavy duty. I aësp notoced these have external resevoirs like legend and ohlins...is that in fact what they are? Worth the extra few hunded?? Thanks man
@@jimvasilopoulos3189 yes I am very pleased with them. I weigh 280 and also do 2 up riding at times. The standard ones are perfect for me.
A first rate suspension is a joy!
An error is mentioned here at 7:22, He says to turn the RED knob to stiffen it up and close off the low speed compression then proceeds to turn the BLACK knob (the low speed adjustment). As mentioned, the red knob is a aggressive, racing adjustment that most will not ever adjust. The BLACK knob is what he meant to say I believe.
These are absolutely the best upgrade you can make to the 2019 (or 20) Electra Glide Standard. I know it was de-graded but the shocks were absolutely impossible to live with. What an amazing difference!! After riding 54 years on over 22 different motorcycles, this is one of the most dramatic upgrades ever. Standard shocks are 12" and have only 1.5" total travel of which .0" (yes, 0) goes to no-load sag and .5" goes to rider sitting sag. So you have only 1" travel for a hit and only .5" (with no dampening) for a dip before bottoming. Could never find a compromise for the multiple uses I have. Used the 13" instead of 12" RMD shocks and gained another inch total travel. They suggested and I used .5" no load sag and 1" rider load sag. So now I have 1.5" for dips and 1.5" for hits with dampening in both directions. In Florida with drainage gutters at every road juncture, I no longer have to cringe to take the double hit (compression and rebound); on the high speed Interstates, the bike is stable and I don't even flinch anymore when I have to hit either cracks, raised concrete/asphalt edges or debris. Absolutely amazing. Didn't think I could be this impressed.
The 2019 Road Glide Special seems to ride a little "stiff", especially over bumps. This video is teaching me how to reconsider the "setting" on the rear shocks. THANK YOU Matt
facts at 205lbs it's really rough. I have tried settings from 5 to 20. Either bottoming out or feel like I'm on a wagon wheel. I'm 6'0
Thank you for the info I have to try to pair my bike take care Matt
Another great video Matt, just ordered mine, can't wait to get them on. Same bike
Where did you order these shocks?
Super helpful. I'm contemplating a '22 RKS and after owning a GS with it's electronic suspension I've become spoiled with awesome suspension. This may put me over the edge to purchase that Road King Special. Suspension is the best bang for a riders dollar, by a very wide margin. Too bad so many don't realize that.
Great video! I just picked up a pair of these on Black Friday. Got a great deal.
Of course this video comes out right after I put legend suspension on my road glide... great content, wish I would have known about these
Legend makes good stuff man. I’m sure you’ll be happy with them.
I ended up with the JRI rear suspension and we love them! 2017 street glide special.
Misty, Where did you buy the jri shocks from, I love near there facility dont think they sale to the public. These RWD shocks look trick. Thanks for any info.
I live in Massachusetts and I deal with one shop called Rob’s Dyno. If I’m not mistaken you can order them online....I want to say $7 and some change
just bought these i cant wait to try them out
Nice shocks. People underestimate the importance of having a properly dialed in suspension. It makes a world of difference that most seem tend to forget about. Ride safe out there.
Why does Harley not put decent shocks on from the factory?
@@flyingdog1498 You were not listening!
@@sw00pable Sounds like ignorance to me. $25,000 for a bike then an additional $4,000 for decent shocks?
@@sw00pable You are a fucking Moron.
Thanks Matt....Good video! Looks like they were installed upside down.
On baggers the reservoir mounts at the bottom. it doesn't affect the functionality. These shocks work great!
Thanks Matt..share.... Sir....
I put a set of 14s on my 16 flhxs and have been very pleased
The 14 inch Russ Wernimont shocks ?
I want some. Prices are a bit hard to swallow on all the big names but these seem like a good value in comparison and features. I know I'm late to the party but after the roads I hit over the weekend my brain is still feeling scrambled from the stock suspension on my Standard.
At 1:57 you mention that street riders are never going to adjust the high speed compression damping - that it's for the racers. High or low speed damping has nothing to do with bike speed. It refers to the speed of the shock shaft moving through its stroke. Low speed compression damping change the speed that the shock compresses when the shaft is moving slowly, like the front to rear weight transfer during acceleration, or the rear to front weight transfer during breaking, or low speed speed bumps. It also applies to slow suspension movements like g-outs when you hit a dip in the road at a high bike speed.
High speed damping is active when the shock shaft is moving quickly, like when hitting square edged bumps, potholes, rumble strips, or cobblestones and the shock compresses quickly - regardless of how fast you are going.
I love my setup on my 17 FLTRXS RS-1 rear & Legend 21 front
Thanks Matt,I will like to see you try all the different Harley seats they got to offer. And can you fit a CVO seat on a Road Glad Ultra?
Very cool!
This is a good helpful video. One thing I've noticed with various reviews comparing the street glide and chieftain it's pretty much agreed that the Indian bike has a more comfortable rear suspension. For those who like the HD styling better but want more comfort this is a good solution.
Just put a set my 21 RGS …thanks for a great video
I recently put legends shocks on the rear of my streetglide and it’s just amazing how much it changes the feel the bike now I just gotta save up for the front forks
Have them all around ride two up with the wife which we total about 280 combined, love the legends
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I'm thinking about legend shocks too...
@throttle shots I agree. Went with BBC ohlins after riding a few other brands and Kevin has his shit together.
I did Legends and love them. 19 Ultra and rides so much better especially over bumps
Glad I changed over.
Bill I have a whole video on my rear setup no I was able to drop it by 2 inches and still have a crazy smooth ride
Now that we’re in the Performance Bagger era, suspension is paramount! 100 plus in a curve you’ll need a better than stock setup. Rwd sounds like part of the answer, I say part of the answer because the front suspension need upgraded if you plan on riding it like you stole it from time to time. Just my .02
A friend just put Legends on his and he tells me they are as different as night and day from his factory suspension. He has me looking around for new shocks, now. But, I really have not had a bad ride on my 2017 Road King Special. I understand Harley is expensive but they have to make a bike for "everyone". Making it for "you" is up to you.
What shock did you 3nd up going with? I'm looking to replace mine on my '17 RK.
Very impressed with the 412 Series Progressive rear coil overs we installed on 2021 RGS #performancebaggin build!
The upgraded suspension raises the bike's profile/seat height on the Street, Road, and Standard but how about on the taller machines like the Ultras?
Thanks a lot Matt because of your video my pocket is $1000 lighter.
Just messin, I'm actually pretty excited to finally get those nasty ass stock shocks off my 15 SGS and when I do I'll drop by and say hi if your there.
Have a good one
Sorry man. I know you’ll like them though. Let me know.
@@MattLaidlaw You know I will, probably have them bolted on today whenever UPS shows up
Thanks Matt for the video I'm 169 pounds 5 ft 6 in Australia I've said before I purchased a 2018 Fat Bob I'm on the balls of my feet when I stop and I have also had fitted the reach seat and that's my seating position now to pay 30000 for a bike and not have it sit correctly I think being fitted for shocks especially on a Harley or a bike so expensive would be great I haven't changed the suspension yet but when I ride it and hit bumps it nearly throws me off the bike because it's so stiff may I make a suggestion that new buyers get weighed and shocks put in the bike included in the price that suit the buyer for their height and weight that would make Harley-Davidson much more attractive.
Then they're building a bike to suit a certain person which has to cost more
My wife loves this shocks RS-1 RWD the best
Hey Matt sorry for the late reply but my powder coat guy took forever so the bike was all apart and no test ride. Ok 2015 SGS stock shocks we all know they sucked, put these new RWD's on went around the corner where there is a rise in the road the flattens out, it would normally almost toss me out of the seat this time i hit at 60 mph and never felt it good so far, then time for the freeway and we all know Socal freeways suck so up to 85 mph and very smooth then took an interchange ramp at about 65 mph first a left bank then a right bank..WOW hard to explain but felt very sure footed like I had new sticky tires or something the bike just seemed to grip the road better I know it's the shocks. So, first opinion is they are a good investment $900 to my door and I love them. Thanks for the vid Matt or I might not of heard of these.
Some very neat shocks. Sound impressive 👍👍
Great vid!! I’m very interested in these but what options to you have for the front suspension if you want to change them? Do they offer front suspension?
Thanks Matt, some more good info for the tool box. 👍😀
Matt, I have a very bad back with ruptured L3 and L4 disks. I spent 3 years in a wheelchair and 7 Years rehab to walk again. If my doctor knew I started riding again he would have a fit! I need all the plush ride I can get! I am a old Moto crosser and flat tracker so I still stand on the pegs a little bit so my legs can absorb pot holes instead of my lower back. I will have to look into these shocks, thanks so much Matt.
Another great review. What shock would you recommend for us shorter guys? 5'8 30 inseam here. Thanks
Same size here, been looking around for a shock for my 05 Road Glide. I'm using now stock with 2" lowering bracket....I guess there's nothing for us. May settle for a 11" Progressive.
Hi Matt, id love it if you would cover front suspension setup. thanks
I got a performance bagger Road Glide video coming in about a month. Stay tuned.
Thank you for the video and advice. Unfortunately I’m on the other side of the spectrum with a 30” inseam. I currently have a 2018 Street Glide Special Anniversary Edition and want to lower my suspension while also improving my ride. Is there a set of shocks that would allow my to be flat footed with at least the Stock Shock feel if not better. I’ve already changed my seat to help with lowering but I’m still about an inch away. Thank you! Joe
I have these shocks on my streetglide and I recommend them to everyone I know. They improved the ride and comfort 100%. The only thing I wish is they could be adjusted without removing the saddlebags. When they come out with a fork cartridge I will have that too.
Thanks for the review. I just dumped a lot of $$ on a full Legend setup, so not something I'd personally change at this point. Love to test out the RWD stuff sometime though!
Same here just installed legend Axeo front and Revo-A shocks yesterday
@@fuckyourfarms how do you like the legends?
@@ryanhardin5166 way better than stock and no problems.
Matt, I’ve watched a few of your comparisons on rear shocks and one thing I am curious about is the length. I have a 20 CVO Street Glide and I am about to upgrade the suspension. You’ve talked about the 13” but I notice that RWD has a 13.5” and a 14” as well. Would you recommend going longer than a 13”? My guess would be that it would add clearance in the turns but I’m unsure of any cons one might experience. Thoughts?
Ordered these on Friday, waiting for them to come in. I’ll update my thoughts. The stock rests on a 19 RG are “ok”, but you feel a lot of bumps on our crappy roads. Hoping this fixes that issue.
Are they living up to your expectations?
@@MarcoRyser Thanks for the reminder! The short answer is - yes they’re an improvement over stock, but as far as being the best shocks, it’s hard for me to say.
I still feel the bumps, albeit not as back-jarring as the stock shocks. I’d really like to compare these side by side with the Legend Revos and the Ohlins and feel what the difference would be. I did call up RWD and ask about adjustments for my weight (170 lbs), so that should be set correctly. Overall I’m happy with them I suppose, but again, I don’t have a set of the other big brand names to compare them with.
@@ed0985587 Now, that’s great info, thank you! Glad, you’re happy with them! I guess with my 150lbs anything softer than stock would be a big improvement already. Thanks again for sharing your insight!
I bought them and I'm not happy at all!
@@bradmerrill7134 What’s your weight? Also did you get the 13”? I do like mine, but as I said earlier, I don’t have much to compare to other than the stock shocks.
Matt, another great video. Quick question, what riding gloves do you wear in this video? Thank you!
Interesting. Most shocks have fixed compression damping and let you twiddle with the rebound damping. These are the first I've seen with variable compression & fixed rebound. The rebound is what takes the pogo out of spirited riding. If it's too high, it won't allow the spring to extend quickly enough and the shock will start packing and the back tire won't stay on the ground over the bumpy stuff. Maybe they use the same circuit for both and he didn't mention it?
I know you compared the short HD shocks to these aftermarkets, but how do the full length HD touring shocks compare over that beat up highway? Do the full length HD have a tendency to bottom out? Are these more for people looking for more travel on Street Glides or is the ride quality so superior that replacing the full length HD shocks would make sense?
saddlebag imo the HD shocks are garbage compared to the aftermarket.
Matt Laidlaw I ride a 19 RGS and put 13" Legend Revo-A's on it. It definitely rides much better than stock, but I'm still looking for something better. Also looking to upgrade front suspension. I've noticed the stock front end gets shaky over bumpy freeway turns at 80+ mph. Have you seen what Big Bear Choppers is doing with baggers using Ohlins shocks and cartridges? Would you be able to get your hands on one and do a review? Particularly on the 13" Ohlins Blackline shocks with his shock extender and the Nix 22 cartridge kit (designed for a dyna, but modified to fit a bagger). Hope to see a video on this topic soon. Thanks again for all your great videos
Yes, we are building one soon with the big bear front and rear suspension (ohlins). Stay tuned.
@@MattLaidlaw Awesome, can't wait. Thanks.
Great video as usual Matt, thoroughly enjoy watching your videos. I have an 07 road king classic that I’m trying to figure out what would be the absolute most comfy ride I can put on it. I’ve had five back surgeries and have a lot of issue putting the miles down. I’ve tried so many seats and put 944 progressive shocks on (wasted $700)- didn’t do much difference. I just ran across this video and wanted to see if you still feel these are the best? These shocks in this video sound terrific but I’ve heard so much about the Legend shocks. Would very much appreciate your input. Everybody keeps telling me to buy a new bike - suspensions are great but I love my 07. Thank you very much for any input you can share with me.
Russ wernimont are good for just a rear shock setup but I have Wilber’s right now and for the money they are the best.
Like your videos .. BUT. Keeping front on rear stock.. it’s fine 4 me.. never had a problem with thm... 👍
After changing shocks, but keeping original fork, does it affect the behavior of the bike, especially the front wheel? Is it worth it to change as well the fork or is it enough changing the shocks?
Good info Matt as always! Plz can you advise on the front suspension as well? Are there any better after market solutions out there for a 2018 Ultra Limited. I feel that the 2019 stock models have better shocks/suspension than its previous models. Plz shed some light on this. Have been looking for this info since a while, but none have covered it. Keep up the great work. Cheers!
The front suspension is really nice actually, you have to spend silly money on an inverted front end to improve it in any meaningful way.
Check out Traxxion Dynamics
I want these.
Another great video! Jared at RWD set me up with a custom set of 13 inch RS-1’s, (Heavy Duty with soft valving) for my ‘19 Road Glide. I’m replacing the Legends Air Ride. We ride the canyons just north of Yosemite & Tahoe. What front suspension kit would you recommend to replace my stock set up? GP? I hear that RWD will be launching a front suspension kit in a few months? Thanks for the great videos! If you’re ever near Lodi or Tahoe…Hit me up! We can show you guys around!!!
Hey Matt. Just purchased a 2019 CVO HD Street Glide The stock shocks are brutal. Bottoms out. After watching your video and a year later Do you have a different opinion about the shocks for my bike? I have looked at Russ shocks and the Ohlins shocks. What do you recommend? Stock shocks are 12”. I thought 13”
I am looking for information on the m8 concerning the oil fluid transfer problem is there a fix out yet, I have a 17 limited that leaks a lot of oil from the transmission to the clutch.
What about going to two up one the bike and two up with luggages? You have to crank up the spring with that wrench every time right? Is there any reference to go back to the previous setting?
Have you ridden on The Fox + Roland Sands Design Harley Signature Series QS3-R? Does RWD make a front fork cartridge?
Nice video, thanks for posting, perfect timing as I'm installing suspension on my '17 Road King. Looking at Fox right now but the reservoirs get in the way for my rear rack. I like this setup.
I haven’t tried the Roland sands / fox collaborate stuff. I’m sure it’s great though. It’s probably just fix shocks with branding on them.
I'm thinking about going with rwd's for the rear of my 18 rg what di you recommend for upgrades on front forks!
Legends
7:22 he meant to say black knob, not red knob, to avoid confusion for anyone setting these up..
Nice video. Is there any shocks that’s have auto adjusting between solo and 2 up riding. I imagine you would get a better ride when adjusting this?
Yea wilbers.
Great video Matt!!! Thanks!! They sound really good, but how good can it be if he recommends "...riding it as is..." on a setting that covers every rider from 170 lbs all the way to 210 lbs.?? That's a pretty wide range don't you think???
Then you can change it! Geez!
Just installed these thanks to your video Matt. Huge difference in comfort and bumps. Being 5'6" without shoes I was a little concerned about going a little higher but absolutely no issues. A week later I installed Legend AXEO for the front and glad I did. Too bad nothing offered by RWD for the front.
Glad you like them!
@@MattLaidlaw It really helps to hear from a professional who has the opportunity to experience different setups and who can share that with us consumers. I'm sure all the big names do their best to provide excellent products so nothing against their efforts, and I do appreciate the time you have spent on your content.
@@misterj5045 thanks man. I try to be as objective as I can and help people get all the information so they can make the best decision for themselves.
Been there, not too far from my cousins house in Glendora, CA
have you tried the front cartridges from RWD? what is your opinion on them? I love the rear RWD piggybacks but I'm not sure how I feel about the fronts.
Thanks Matt for the video. I'm trying to avoid getting rid of my 17' RGS if possible. The issue has been the suspension. I'm 145lbs and get bounced around everywhere on it. I upgraded from OEM to SuperShox last fall which gave an extra inch of travel but it has made a very marginal difference. Still a rough ride on anything that's not smooth, taking all of the joy out of the ride. I am considering switching from coil to air shocks to see if that would make a difference. If I can get a smoother ride I'll keep the bike, but otherwise will trade-in/sell. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!
Jordan, what did you finally get, and what were the best results
@@donnieraylockhart5027 ultimately, the shocks made little difference for me. I even put 17 inch rims on the front on my glide to smooth out the ride, which again made a marginal difference. The game changer was actually finding the right seat that could sit me back further on the rear shocks (another option was one of those super comfy and thick seats). Because I’m 5’ 9” I needed to bring back the handlebars- I got the 2 + 2 bars for that. Getting longer floor boards can help too when sitting back further 👌🏼
@@jordan.parker which shocks did you choose?
get a fat girlfriend!!@@jordan.parker
Matt, do you see The touring models going to a mono shock like the softail? Thanks.
I see that happening at some point for sure. Monoshock is an objectively superior design.
What do you think of Legends compared to the shocks you have on that bike?
Call Russ Wernmont Designs I did and they explained it to me the difference I don’t believe you’ll be able to call legends
Nice .. but honestly everyone is looking for “set and forget” with electronic controls wired for 2up... The Wilbur suspension is a great product
My 2013 Harley street glide rides like a brick, with the 2 inch lowering kit installed on the back, thinking of removing stock air shocks, and replacing them with Burly 10.5 inch slammer shocks, trying to ride smooth at a low altitude 🙂
Good video!!! Is Russ working on rear suspension for the new Softail's???
Yes, he has a shock right now available.
Do they make something for the front? It would be nice to get something that's matched up.
Great information Matt ! Any recommendations for the forks in conjunction with these rear shocks ?
I did legend and the combo rides like SHIT!!
@@bradmerrill7134 thanks for the heads up .. that was the exact combo I was thinking of ! 😲
What do you do for the front?
I need to try something since the suspension on my '18 Ultra Limited sucks!
Check out Traxxion Dynamics
I’m looking at the legend Revo -A for my CVO RG.2019
Dwight Raine I’ve got them
on my 17 RK
Dwight, did you get them and like them?
Yes I got them for Christmas , I love them, improved ride no more sharp sharp jolts. I like them so much that when I went to Sturgis at the front forks down as well very happy
@@dwightraine9686 Awesome to hear! Yeah, the jolts are killin my back. I appreciate it. Ride safe!
Hey Matt can these be installed the opposite way with the compression adjustment at the top?
same question...
Good info Matt! 12” or 13” Keep up the good work. Depending on how you ride or drive all oem suspension need or can be improved. Period!
Jon I am trying to put together a Fatster, with Evo 1200 sportster engine and a 1950-60 Glide look No bags or fairing. single seat. Kind of a bobber cruiser. can I get Harley air shocks on a sportster frame?
I noticed that these are 13" minimum. OEM on my Streetglide is 12". Do you prefer the longer shock? How do you think the 13" would work with a lowering link to bring it down 1-2"?
Yes I much prefer the longer shock. I don’t like the lowering kits. There isn’t much sense to put a taller shock on a bike then reposition the mounting to lower it. Honestly I don’t think these shocks would fit with a lowering kit because there is a separate bracket that needs to be installed to keep the piggy back reservoir out of the way of the bags.
Matt....what are your tame riding gloves with the zipper on the back?
Matt, I put these on my 19 SGS... wondering if I can put a 21 inch wheel up front to achieve the same suspension geometry of my SGS when it was stock. Thanks!
If you’re going for ride comfort I wouldn’t do a 21 inch wheel. They also mess up your handling. They look good though. The extra height might even out the front and back a bit though.
good content Matt, any ideas for an upgrade shock for a Sport Glide 2019 riding two up most of the time
If I ride mountains and canyon and it is all turns at 60-115 ish would it benefit me to play with the red adjusrment? I get so much rear woble. I am running the -13 1/2” . I am +2 in front. I am only bagger everyone else is home Dynas
Matt, will these shocks work with lowering blocks ?
You should do an episode with Kevin from Big Bear Performance. He is doing amazing things with Harley baggers. I'm sure you're heard of him.
just curious how these shocks stack up against the new heritage shock.
Would love to see your thoughts on the best tuner set up for Harley. There are so many out there . And your thoughts on if you need a tuner with a new air breather / exhaust.
Okay, we are actually planning a tuner video.
Matt what are running in your front end , in conjunction with the RWD ?
Hi Matt RodersUnited here. After trying few of different shocks which one will you say are the best? I consider Legends/Ohlins and SuperShox lately and dont want to make mistake while spending money.
Hey Matt, what's this badass dual-sport parked out frint of your dealer? Y'all beta testing the new Psnamerica for Harley?
can you do comparison video for Dyna, Legends, vs Fox vs RWD? Also piggyback vs mono?
Matt have you done a head to head on 19 roadglide vs streetglide. How are the frames and suspensions different.
They are identical. I compare the two bikes in my review videos for each.