For those that are wondering how to get Reverend with good honor because everyone says they get the Sister with good honor and Reverend with bad honor but theres a way to get Reverend with good honor and that is by NOT doing the Brother mission where you free the slaves. Thats because if you dont do that mission Arthur doesnt know who Sister is. I think its far more fitting with Reverend because when we first meet Reverrend Arthur saves his life and tells him hes better than what he thinks of himself and by the end Reverend is telling Arthur how hes better than he thinks of himself. Its more fitting with Reverend given the history as opposed to the Sister
I think you can do the brother mission as well as the mission where you return the stolen crucifix. but what you cant do is give food to the poor in saint denis in chapter 6.
On my first playthrough i helped Dorkins with freeing the slaves, but didn't even know about the second mission. And I still met Swanson. So in short, you only need to do the first mission with Dorkins but don't do the second one.
“I can’t die for a bunch of nonsense spouted by a fool” love seeing how he changed from being a drunk, to a man who has changed and sees things for the way they truly are.
"You lived your life like a man, Arthur. And you turned into a *good* man.. If we were all like you things might have turned out differently.." ".. Heh. You're getting mighty sentimental reverend.." *smiles* This is why I prefer swanson. Dude knew I'd do everything I can and I'd solve this bullshit in the best possible way I can. Even though he left everyone, he admits it and did try to convince them to come with. These being his last words to Arthur also is why I prefer this :)
@@dm3402 If you listen closely, you can also hear Reverend start to cry when he gets on the train since it's probably the last time he'll ever see Arthur again
Anybody can change, if they want to. And the problem is is that either most people don't want to change, or they do, but they're not willing to put forth the effort, and make the sacrifice is needed in order to do so.
I'm incredibly late here but I want to throw in my two cents. If I had to guess, Reverend probably knew all of these things that he was saying long before he said them. People don't just get addicted to alcohol, there's almost always a reason, and I think for Reverend it was Dutch.
@@Slurpified nah dutch only thought of himself in the end. he wasnt gonna save anyone but himself. he would have thrown micah, bill and javier under the bus just as he did for John if things were different.
@@Slurpified "the rest" as in the ones you CANNOT save. John could have been saved (twice). Abigail too. So it doesn't go for dutch. dutch's quote would be "save no one"
This game, and Rdr1, is filled with many quotes about life. This games story is not just about sorrow, it’s about love and caring, family. Arthur seeking his redemption, no matter what honor, he is still caring for his family, the gang. And that is why in reality we are doing the same. Those with bad honor can still turn into a good person.
@@Rx_Sqx and I think a lot of people started the game just commiting crazy crimes, until getting to chapter 5, and starting to see things diferentely and try to do the right thing, just like Arthur, how Dutch's ideals rotted becomes even more evident
@@Rx_Sqx "you lived your life like a good man arthur and turned... well, still a good man", btw same, I didn't go around killing but even if you go with more pacifist methods you still see Arthur being cold as f to people, that guy that recognizes him in the very beggining is a great example
This was the cutscene I got on my first playthough. It was so emotional and unlike the other two, I think it truly completes the narrative of the small role that swanson has to play. I think its perfect because Arthur is no holy man saint, but understandably knows what is right. Its the most natural arc for his character, in my opinion. The one with mother superior is really good-but its trying to hard to make Arthur seem so righteous, its as if he hasn’t been murdering everyone which makes zero sense
I think it's a combination of sadness and shame. Leaving the gang during that situation should've been already difficult for him and seeing Arthur, one of the last moral pillars of the gang saving someone (captain Monroe) was even more devastating for him. I think he was more like "Oh, Arthur"
Ima be honest, I think this cutscene fits better with Arthur’s character than sister calderon’s. Swanson knows that Arthur wasn’t always a good man, but he acknowledges that he has become one. We also know Reverend a lot more than we do Calderon, and this is the only way we get to see when Reverend left.
I completally agree. I believe Sister is in the cutscene for players who wants to be a goody-two-shoes Arthur, plus emotional. Reverend is honest because he admits he has been a sinner. And we even saw those moments. Reverend and Arthur are friends so they would naturally be real with each other. Whereas Calderon is a nun, but also an almost complete stranger, we don't know her at all. She too has commited sins but we don't see them. We don't have to, but because she is a member of the church she has to comfort a struggling outlaw with morality issues. I really wanted to see more of Reverend in the game, rather than see him in just 2-3 missions.
@@nicmendz Isn't she the nun the strange man (who I personally believe to be the grim reaper aka death himself but that's a discussion for another time) instructs John to go see either to help or to rob.
Throughout the entire game you see Swanson drunk and blabbering nonsense, struggling and being miserable. In the last scene, he says one of the wisest words in the entire game, and shows how good he actually is at knowing people's nature and character. Amazing
So say us all. I had to let friends of 30 years go because of what they became. The inverse of who they were. And perhaps the most tragic thing of all is it wasn’t because of what they lost: it was because of what they won. They became so intoxicated on power they lied cheated and stole to keep it.
I agree. This is one of the few good goodbye scenes Arthur can have with one of the gangmembers. Charles stays with the natives after their last mission. Tilly & Jack before rescuing Abigail, Abigail and Sadie before confronting Dutch and Micah and John before his his last stand. He also lets Trelawny leave. Strauss he kicks out. No goodbye scenes with Pearson, Uncle, Karen and Mary-Beth. Everyone else either turned or was dead
Both Calderon and Swanson's conversations were both inspirational and made me like both characters even more. Here's why I like them. Swanson was telling Arthur that his path may be coming to a close, but that shouldn't stop him from being the good man he's grown into, even if Arthur doesn't quite believe it himself. Trying to push him to do right by the part of the gang that still cares about him. Swanson empathized with Arthur because he was someone who made terrible decisions in his life, but he came back from it and wanted to help Arthur believe he can do it too. Sadly you can tell Arthur still mostly brushed off Swanson's insistence that he is a good man. Arthur just had too much experience telling himself otherwise to have his mind changed so quickly. However Calderon approached it in a more emotional manner that truly spoke to Arthur, because that's where his troubles truly are, he's confident in his ability to handle the physical problems of his life, even near the end. But Calderon was able to help him finally face his emotional turmoil which was something Arthur was completely lost in. For his whole life he could write off his emotional hangups by telling himself "It was for the gang" or "This will support Dutch's plan to save us". But not anymore, now without those excuses to lead the life he does, all that guilt caught up to him all at once. Calderon convinced Arthur that despite the pain and loss he has suffered, he can still make things better for others. He doesn't need to believe in salvation or some miracle plan. He only needs to believe in that he has love in him that can be used to help his loved ones. In the end, I actually wish these were two separate events rather then one or the other. This was an important redemption and character defining moment for Swanson. And Calderon brought Arthur peace of mind in ways no one else could.
Honestly I wish that there was a cutscene with both talking to Arthur. The advice of a close friend and one of the many people he helped through his journey.
@@beardedbros7215 when you go pick up a drunk Swanson from poker the rest the camp tells Arthur he should've left him and is too easy on him. Even during some camp fire Swanson opens up to Arthur and everyone.
@@thegooseman90 Yes there is a ton of camp events where Swanson is just as captivating and intelligent as Dutch. Particularly the 'You can have fire, and you can have the knowledge of fire' speech. I was completely absorbed. Fantastic acting. I personally believe that both events should be included both the nun and swanson instead of either or. I love the Nun's belief in Arthur that pushes him to be a better person. But I also love the honest friendly reassurance that Swanson gives. It feels more personal as they were close friends. But both have incredible cutscenes.
Even during the beginning of the game when I barely even knew Reverend, he grew on me. Each time he got drunk and sang that song I always followed his drunken footsteps and listened, and was filled with immense joy when hearing he had finally sobered up. Seeing him leave made me wonder what would happen to him, then later in the Epilogue I see this man mentioned in the newspaper leading a Church in NY, and once again, I had a big grin on my face seeing that he was doing well in his life. TLDR: Reverend is my favorite character.
Still getting mighty sentimental, reverend… Arthur earned his redemption… as you said, he did the right thing… helped all those who he could… Arthur Morgan will remain an Idol to me, Mr Swanson… Glad you could see through that hard shell of his into his soul, which was good and pure… now I’m getting mighty sentimental
I've got both Sister and Reverend, I had two play throughs, but I honestly think Reverend Swanson is better because hearing from one of the gang meant more to me than Sister whom hasn't spent all that much time with Arthur. Sister only saw the good deeds I did but Reverend saw the bad stuff and the good stuff I did. Therefore Reverend had a greater narrative impact to my story. Plus that line from Swanson "you lived your life like a man and you became a good man, Arthur, and you turned into a good man" always got me in the feels
It honestly serves great as two completely contrasting perspectives. From Sister you you have the point of view of someone who basically just met Arthur and sees only the goodness in him that started growing recently. With Reverend you see someone who has known Arthur potentially for years and knows what he's been capable of, even showing a bit of nervousness when he sees him - but still able to see and willing to encourage his attempts to be a better person.
I say both should have been added like the sister Calderon one as a bonus and maybe to help Swanson to reassure that Arthur is better than he thinks himself
The version of this with Sister Calderon is more memorable and touching sure. But the high honor version with Swanson is also very touching and in a sense brings the story full circle with how he cleaned up his act. It's also one of the few friendly goodbye scenes Arthur can have with the gang members. He lets Trelawny leave with his blessing, parts ways with Charles after the last mission with the Natives, says his goodbyes to Tilly & Jack before going to rescue Abigail with Sadie then parts ways with them afterwards and of course escaping with John. Everyone else he parted ways with on not so friendly or good terms. Kicked Strauss out, Dutch & Micah and co. turned on him and everyone else died. Only ones there's no goodbye scene with are Pearson, Uncle, Mary-Beth and Karen
@eldiandevil She did yes. But that was between chapter 6 and the epilogue. Just before the last mission in chapter 6 you see that Pearson, Uncle, Mary-Beth and Karen have all left camp.
As iconic as "I'm afraid" is, this version is far better. This is a man who Arthur knows telling him the truth, speaking about his own issues and how he has changed now himself, Sister Calderon just says "I know you're a good man" and doesn't offer much useful insight. How come in order to get the best version, you have to avoid content? Seems counterproductive
Swanson ended up being so much stronger than most of the gang. He turned his life around, overcame his alcoholism and depression, and refound his faith in God all while the gang was falling apart around him.
“You’ll do what’s right” “... I don’t know about that” “I do.” Don’t know why but that was always the best line for me, for Arthur to hear that and know that there are those with faith in how good of a man he is.
I think Swanson showed here in this scene just how much he really cared about Arthur and the rest of the gang. But he also knew that he couldn't force any of them to save themselves if they chose not to. He did what he could do, but ultimately realized that they had to choose for themselves what they would do. And therefore that's why encouraged Arthur the way he did, that perhaps Arthur could save the ones that he apparently couldn't.
I wish Pearson, Marybeth, Karen, and Uncle had their chance to say goodbye to Arthur. For them to just disappear without saying goodbye like that, it just makes you feel cheated out of what could have been powerful and beautiful scenes.
I had the Sister's, which was emotional in its own way...but I really wish there was a way to do both scenes somehow. This gave a nice symmetry to the first real scene we have with Reverend on our one mission with him.
A communist The cutscene already made me sad, but that quote hit me hard. Made me think about my playthrough which i started as a savage outlaw and then, during ch6 redeemed myself by taking good choices and doing some honor missions like the ones for Charlotte the widow and Edith Downes.
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I really do feel like Swanson was more Canon in my playthrough. I mean Calderon is great but they should've kept both in, just change up the dialogue. Swanson made me feel that much more sure in that final chapter. "Save who you can, and lrt the rest rot.. And look after yourself
Ricky L. I think he’s right , neutral in the sense you were good , but weren’t the best , if you were you would have helped the sister, making this close to the middle ground
There's isn't a neutral anything in this game tbh. High or low honor, you would have Swanson either way, unless you did the Brother sidequest in saint denis.
Swanson was someone I greatly empathized with, he was a broken man who was always completely honest with the struggles he had with addiction. He was just a tragic character and I am glad he got a happy ending!
I still think Arthur canonically was a good person, even if he was an outlaw. He may have done some bad things, but he always did right by the people he loved and helped those he could. Him dying peacefully on the hill was a great final moment for him
Got this scene the first time around. I'm almost positive I rescued the slaves at the fence in San Denis for Brother Dorkins but I was so invested in the main story I got this far before I could go see him at the church and meet Sister Calderon. Saw what happens if you meet her (with good honor of course) and got the cutscene on the second playthrough. Both are touching and it's a moment where Arthur is vulnerable and is venting in a way he never had before. He now understands what he has to do and it's just another example of how next level this writing was. Unbelievable swan song for Dan Houser
Wow. I didn’t even know this scene existed without Sister Calderone. She’s a side mission character so of course it wouldn’t make sense if this was the first time you meet her, I just literally hadn’t ever thought about how this scene would play out if you hadn’t done that questline. And yea having her in this scene adds so much more to the story overall. Stacked up against each other, this scene, while doing what it needs to, doesn’t have near the power that the other scene has with sister Calderon. We spend way too much time getting to know Swanson as a drunk deadbeat lunatic and his change is so abrupt and clumsy that I never see his change as anything more than performative since I’ve seen too many people in my life try to convince you they’ve changed and keep up the act just long enough to get what they want out of you before reverting back. I will never forget the Calderone version of this scene as long as I live.
When you compare this cutscene to the level Who is Not without Sin then you see what an enormous transformation Swanson makes throughout the game. Legend has it that on a quiet night you can still hear "one night when I was frisky" echoing across the Grizzlies 💙
I do like this interaction better than Sister's tbh. I think its because of reverand's affiliation with the gang that makes it more powerful to me. Its just more of the gang dissolving and going their own ways, really in tune with whats happening in the story. Not that Sister's isn't good too, its great. I just think this one is a lot less hamfisted.
arthur may not have been a good person in the sense that he committed robberies, he had killed people and things like that, but he had saved and regretted many things he had done, such as with thomas downes, then he helped his family and he felt very bad about what happened to him. had done and then fired the leopold strauss because he threatened people with family and the poor so i think he was a good man
"You lived your life like a man, arthur, and you turned into a good man, if we were all like you thing might have turned out differently." Man that is.... Deep💘
Wait. I thought it was supposed to be that Nun, whom Arthur met in Saint Denis, that was supposed to meet him in this scene. How did it change to Swanson somehow???
I think this was way more fitting than with the sister. Because Swanson and Arthur have a long history together so this fit alot better. The only thing I would change is not having Swanson say Arthur isn't a good man
I'm pissed that I didn't get this cutscene on my second playthrough. I loved it the first time I played the game but then on my second playthrough I did as many stranger missions as I could before I had to say goodbye to Arthur again :( but that meant the Sister replaced Reverand Swanson in this scene. Kinda weird because without this, he just disappears from the camp
Yes exactly, after Arthur’s story I thought ‘where did the reverend go, he just left without saying anything’. That doesn’t make sense, I believe Swanson would have said goodbye to Arthur. They shouldn’t have made the cutscene depend on a mission choice. If you do every mission you miss out on Swansons goodbye. This is the first time I have seen this cutscene.
As heartbreaking as "I'm afraid..." is, I prefer this over the one with Sister Calderon because Swanson personally knew Arthur, so it just hits harder.
Swansons redemption arc is so underrated. He went from the man who’d randomly walk up to Arthur singing about “a lobster” and “a knob, sir”to fixing himself and trying to save the entire camp. We love you, Rev 👏
It was such a great game with a really sad story to tell. I really felt terrible for Arthur, and obviously that’s the point. I always played it as a moral character (as moral as I could be considering Arthur is a crook).
No matter how long I've played this game, I'm still blown away by how the light glows red through people's ears like that. So damned good. Everything about this game is a shining example of excellence.
I’m playing with low honor in RDR2 right now and it’s hard, seeing all the little details of Arthur being a bad man just tears me up…. I have to play a high honor way strictly for the cut scenes
Y’all saying this is better than sister Claderon’s no man no way. Arthur confines in someone he hardly knows and will never see again and has to get it out, because he doesn’t want those he has to protect think that he can’t protect them. Also this version doesn’t have the “I’m afraid” like so it’s automatically worse
I loved seeing Swanson dig himself into a hole with his drinking and pissing all over himself and then clean up his act and started doing chores around the camp
I never enjoyed Reverends quests or his overall character but this goodbye really hit me hard for some reason. I don't know if its because this is when i realized it was all over or if im just a baby.
@@13.79 As others in this comment section have stated, getting the Sister versus the Reverend depends on whether you completed the mission for Brother Dorkins in Saint Denis You can have Calderon and/or Swanson on both High and Low Honor.
There's no difference in this scene whether you have high or low honor. I was on the fence about getting this game but this scene confirmed my suspicions.
@@paulallen2680 what can I say? I have high standards when it comes to my video games. High honor or low honor, If the scenes are all going to be the same why even bother.
@@Robertward111 that is so pathetic, I really don’t have much to tell you. What scene do you think is perfect? Rdr2 scenes are different depending on what honor you have for certain mission, others it does not because it’s trying to make a story, even if it’s a linear story. The honor system is mainly only used to see what ending you’ll get for Arthur. I can’t imagine what game that could live up to the “high standards” that you have. But not buying a game because of one cutscene? There just sad and you probably have personal reasons on why you don’t like the game even though you never played it😂
I think the sister’s cutscene is by far one of the most powerful moments in the game but I also think Rockstar shouldn’t have replaced this interaction with hers on high honor. I think there’s a way where both cutscenes (low/good honor reverend and high honor sister) could have been implemented without replacing each other
The one quote that always gets me from this game is from uncle after he argues with Dutch. “There goes the greatest man we know, even he’s lost”. They all followed a man they thought they could trust with their lives until it was too late. God this is the best game ever.
Damn Swanson…starts off you following around camp singing about potent whiskey… Then we see him saying one final heartfelt goodbye to Arthur, a man whom he watched turn into a good man and honestly? That shit made me cry…
First time we see Swanson he is drunk at a train station playing poker and we bring him back too camp Last time we see him is at a train station, where he is clean and sober leaving too safely away from the gang
For those that are wondering how to get Reverend with good honor because everyone says they get the Sister with good honor and Reverend with bad honor but theres a way to get Reverend with good honor and that is by NOT doing the Brother mission where you free the slaves. Thats because if you dont do that mission Arthur doesnt know who Sister is. I think its far more fitting with Reverend because when we first meet Reverrend Arthur saves his life and tells him hes better than what he thinks of himself and by the end Reverend is telling Arthur how hes better than he thinks of himself. Its more fitting with Reverend given the history as opposed to the Sister
I think you can do the brother mission as well as the mission where you return the stolen crucifix. but what you cant do is give food to the poor in saint denis in chapter 6.
On my first playthrough i helped Dorkins with freeing the slaves, but didn't even know about the second mission. And I still met Swanson. So in short, you only need to do the first mission with Dorkins but don't do the second one.
I don't remember anything about the mission with the slaves or what part of the story it was in, but I still got reverend with good honour
I still got reverend even i did this mission with these brothers
When i first did the mission i got sister and when i replayed it on the same save i got reverend
“I can’t die for a bunch of nonsense spouted by a fool” love seeing how he changed from being a drunk, to a man who has changed and sees things for the way they truly are.
"You lived your life like a man, Arthur. And you turned into a *good* man.. If we were all like you things might have turned out differently.."
".. Heh. You're getting mighty sentimental reverend.." *smiles*
This is why I prefer swanson. Dude knew I'd do everything I can and I'd solve this bullshit in the best possible way I can. Even though he left everyone, he admits it and did try to convince them to come with. These being his last words to Arthur also is why I prefer this :)
@@dm3402 If you listen closely, you can also hear Reverend start to cry when he gets on the train since it's probably the last time he'll ever see Arthur again
Anybody can change, if they want to. And the problem is is that either most people don't want to change, or they do, but they're not willing to put forth the effort, and make the sacrifice is needed in order to do so.
I'm incredibly late here but I want to throw in my two cents. If I had to guess, Reverend probably knew all of these things that he was saying long before he said them. People don't just get addicted to alcohol, there's almost always a reason, and I think for Reverend it was Dutch.
If you listen closely, Swanson is crying as he boards the inside of the train
thanks dude now I'm crying
Yeah I heard it too because he knows it’s the last time he’s going to see Arthur. 😢
Spot on.
i never noticed that, time to fucking cry
@@layoramirez4993 this game made me cry
Swanson is a genuinely underrated and relatable character
Idk about relatable, but maybe underrated
@@aspen8470 if you’re mid 30s you are - always drunk 🤷♂️
@@aspen8470 he can be exaggerated sometimes but if you’ve been an addict you can definitely relate to him a little
He was my favorite character in the gang.
He isn't
"Save who you can, and let the rest rot..." that gave me some power after hearing that
Sounds like what Dutch was started to think towards the end too.. the whole thing is just a big ball of hypocritical messes tbh.
@@Slurpified nah dutch only thought of himself in the end. he wasnt gonna save anyone but himself. he would have thrown micah, bill and javier under the bus just as he did for John if things were different.
@@deg1studios Thats what I mean with the "let the rest rot" part
@@Slurpified "the rest" as in the ones you CANNOT save. John could have been saved (twice). Abigail too. So it doesn't go for dutch. dutch's quote would be "save no one"
@@deg1studios Noo him saying that just goes to show he doesnt care as I already meant. I aint tryna turn this into a debate with a 17 yr old lol
"You've lived your life like a man, and you turned into a good man."
Pure heartfeeling.
This game, and Rdr1, is filled with many quotes about life. This games story is not just about sorrow, it’s about love and caring, family. Arthur seeking his redemption, no matter what honor, he is still caring for his family, the gang. And that is why in reality we are doing the same. Those with bad honor can still turn into a good person.
@@Rx_Sqx and I think a lot of people started the game just commiting crazy crimes, until getting to chapter 5, and starting to see things diferentely and try to do the right thing, just like Arthur, how Dutch's ideals rotted becomes even more evident
@@lucky6961 Yeah. My honor was always high. Since chapter 1 till the end. I didn’t kill random civilians for fun. I greeted them every time actually.
@@Rx_Sqx "you lived your life like a good man arthur and turned... well, still a good man", btw same, I didn't go around killing but even if you go with more pacifist methods you still see Arthur being cold as f to people, that guy that recognizes him in the very beggining is a great example
This was the cutscene I got on my first playthough. It was so emotional and unlike the other two, I think it truly completes the narrative of the small role that swanson has to play. I think its perfect because Arthur is no holy man saint, but understandably knows what is right. Its the most natural arc for his character, in my opinion. The one with mother superior is really good-but its trying to hard to make Arthur seem so righteous, its as if he hasn’t been murdering everyone which makes zero sense
You can see reverend is afraid of Arthur when he sees him
I think more so if you have low honor. With good honor he sort of has the "damn it" face when he first sees arthur
Well he technically is still the enforcer even if by name only at this point. Probably thought Arthur was going to snitch him out to Dutch.
I think it's a combination of sadness and shame. Leaving the gang during that situation should've been already difficult for him and seeing Arthur, one of the last moral pillars of the gang saving someone (captain Monroe) was even more devastating for him. I think he was more like "Oh, Arthur"
How would you react if the best gunslinger and gangmember is seeing you run away how would you react 😂😂
Pl
Ima be honest, I think this cutscene fits better with Arthur’s character than sister calderon’s. Swanson knows that Arthur wasn’t always a good man, but he acknowledges that he has become one. We also know Reverend a lot more than we do Calderon, and this is the only way we get to see when Reverend left.
Nah, Sister Calderon is better.
I completally agree. I believe Sister is in the cutscene for players who wants to be a goody-two-shoes Arthur, plus emotional. Reverend is honest because he admits he has been a sinner. And we even saw those moments. Reverend and Arthur are friends so they would naturally be real with each other.
Whereas Calderon is a nun, but also an almost complete stranger, we don't know her at all. She too has commited sins but we don't see them. We don't have to, but because she is a member of the church she has to comfort a struggling outlaw with morality issues.
I really wanted to see more of Reverend in the game, rather than see him in just 2-3 missions.
Calderon is in rdr1
Reverend is barely relevant to the game. He only has one mission.
@@nicmendz Isn't she the nun the strange man (who I personally believe to be the grim reaper aka death himself but that's a discussion for another time) instructs John to go see either to help or to rob.
Throughout the entire game you see Swanson drunk and blabbering nonsense, struggling and being miserable. In the last scene, he says one of the wisest words in the entire game, and shows how good he actually is at knowing people's nature and character. Amazing
"God doesn't care who you were, only who you are now."
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💯
So say us all. I had to let friends of 30 years go because of what they became. The inverse of who they were. And perhaps the most tragic thing of all is it wasn’t because of what they lost: it was because of what they won. They became so intoxicated on power they lied cheated and stole to keep it.
When does he say that
@mariguana7918 He doesn't. It's from something else. I can't remember but it sounded appropriate.
Everyone always says the nun is better, but I think Reverend is just as good
True
@TrevThicc you met the nun if you free the slaves in Saint Dennis, if not, you met reverend Swanson
I agree. This is one of the few good goodbye scenes Arthur can have with one of the gangmembers. Charles stays with the natives after their last mission. Tilly & Jack before rescuing Abigail, Abigail and Sadie before confronting Dutch and Micah and John before his his last stand. He also lets Trelawny leave.
Strauss he kicks out. No goodbye scenes with Pearson, Uncle, Karen and Mary-Beth.
Everyone else either turned or was dead
Nah, the nun was 100x better, I'll never forget the quote from her to arthur, ," take a gamble that love exists, and do a loving act ".
Me too.
Both Calderon and Swanson's conversations were both inspirational and made me like both characters even more.
Here's why I like them.
Swanson was telling Arthur that his path may be coming to a close, but that shouldn't stop him from being the good man he's grown into, even if Arthur doesn't quite believe it himself. Trying to push him to do right by the part of the gang that still cares about him. Swanson empathized with Arthur because he was someone who made terrible decisions in his life, but he came back from it and wanted to help Arthur believe he can do it too. Sadly you can tell Arthur still mostly brushed off Swanson's insistence that he is a good man. Arthur just had too much experience telling himself otherwise to have his mind changed so quickly.
However Calderon approached it in a more emotional manner that truly spoke to Arthur, because that's where his troubles truly are, he's confident in his ability to handle the physical problems of his life, even near the end. But Calderon was able to help him finally face his emotional turmoil which was something Arthur was completely lost in. For his whole life he could write off his emotional hangups by telling himself "It was for the gang" or "This will support Dutch's plan to save us".
But not anymore, now without those excuses to lead the life he does, all that guilt caught up to him all at once. Calderon convinced Arthur that despite the pain and loss he has suffered, he can still make things better for others. He doesn't need to believe in salvation or some miracle plan. He only needs to believe in that he has love in him that can be used to help his loved ones.
In the end, I actually wish these were two separate events rather then one or the other. This was an important redemption and character defining moment for Swanson. And Calderon brought Arthur peace of mind in ways no one else could.
Very, very well said
Arthur always brushes it off whenever anyone tells him he’s a good man like with Mary and jimmy brooks for example
Sheeeesh well said
This was beautifully written my friend, and I couldn't have said it any better myself
Honestly I wish that there was a cutscene with both talking to Arthur. The advice of a close friend and one of the many people he helped through his journey.
The reverend should've been the person you speak to regardless of the honor. Just change up the dialogue.
thegooseman, That’s exactly what they did but you only meet the Nun if you’ve done the stranger missions not if you have high honour.
I gotta say. They never featured even one mission where Arthur and Swanson had that one deep moment. Just this small bit of dialogue and nothing else.
@@beardedbros7215 when you go pick up a drunk Swanson from poker the rest the camp tells Arthur he should've left him and is too easy on him. Even during some camp fire Swanson opens up to Arthur and everyone.
@@thegooseman90 Yes there is a ton of camp events where Swanson is just as captivating and intelligent as Dutch. Particularly the 'You can have fire, and you can have the knowledge of fire' speech. I was completely absorbed. Fantastic acting.
I personally believe that both events should be included both the nun and swanson instead of either or. I love the Nun's belief in Arthur that pushes him to be a better person. But I also love the honest friendly reassurance that Swanson gives. It feels more personal as they were close friends. But both have incredible cutscenes.
I met that Mother Teresa character
Sister Calderón
Mr Sako is that the mission where you have to get sister’s watch or what ever or is it a different one?
Volcanic you have to retrieve her crucifix, not a watch
Me too
@@ringboysforlife ohh.... That's what happened to me
"If we were all like you things might have turned out differently"
This is so true...
You can also hear how Swanson is about to cry when he says that (right before he actually does).
Even during the beginning of the game when I barely even knew Reverend, he grew on me. Each time he got drunk and sang that song I always followed his drunken footsteps and listened, and was filled with immense joy when hearing he had finally sobered up. Seeing him leave made me wonder what would happen to him, then later in the Epilogue I see this man mentioned in the newspaper leading a Church in NY, and once again, I had a big grin on my face seeing that he was doing well in his life.
TLDR: Reverend is my favorite character.
He annoyed me at first, bur liked him as he sobered
Swanson: “You’re not a good man, but you’re not all bad either”
Also Swanson: “You lived your life like a man and you turned into a good man”
I don't think he means it in the literal sense, Arthur is still a thug and a murderer, but deep down a good man
I prayed for Arthur and Dutch, I truly did....I tried
Still getting mighty sentimental, reverend… Arthur earned his redemption… as you said, he did the right thing… helped all those who he could… Arthur Morgan will remain an Idol to me, Mr Swanson… Glad you could see through that hard shell of his into his soul, which was good and pure… now I’m getting mighty sentimental
Hey what about me?
@@johnmarston1326 you lived a good last few moments so I didn’t think it was necessary
@@AshtonHaggart9674 Yeah I didn’t listen to what arthur said in a the train I think I don’t really remember it was 12 years ago reverend
You tried to pray for fictional characters? Grow up.
Little did he know that after a 20 min ride he’d be back exactly where he got on the train
Or fallen into the river, if you destroyed the bridge already.
I like this one more than the nun, at least Swanson was one of Dutch's gang member
I've got both Sister and Reverend, I had two play throughs, but I honestly think Reverend Swanson is better because hearing from one of the gang meant more to me than Sister whom hasn't spent all that much time with Arthur. Sister only saw the good deeds I did but Reverend saw the bad stuff and the good stuff I did. Therefore Reverend had a greater narrative impact to my story. Plus that line from Swanson "you lived your life like a man and you became a good man, Arthur, and you turned into a good man" always got me in the feels
It honestly serves great as two completely contrasting perspectives. From Sister you you have the point of view of someone who basically just met Arthur and sees only the goodness in him that started growing recently. With Reverend you see someone who has known Arthur potentially for years and knows what he's been capable of, even showing a bit of nervousness when he sees him - but still able to see and willing to encourage his attempts to be a better person.
I say both should have been added like the sister Calderon one as a bonus and maybe to help Swanson to reassure that Arthur is better than he thinks himself
The version of this with Sister Calderon is more memorable and touching sure. But the high honor version with Swanson is also very touching and in a sense brings the story full circle with how he cleaned up his act. It's also one of the few friendly goodbye scenes Arthur can have with the gang members. He lets Trelawny leave with his blessing, parts ways with Charles after the last mission with the Natives, says his goodbyes to Tilly & Jack before going to rescue Abigail with Sadie then parts ways with them afterwards and of course escaping with John. Everyone else he parted ways with on not so friendly or good terms. Kicked Strauss out, Dutch & Micah and co. turned on him and everyone else died.
Only ones there's no goodbye scene with are Pearson, Uncle, Mary-Beth and Karen
@Jimbob1708 the poetry of it all
Pretty sure Karen ended up dead.
@eldiandevil She did yes. But that was between chapter 6 and the epilogue. Just before the last mission in chapter 6 you see that Pearson, Uncle, Mary-Beth and Karen have all left camp.
"I'm worried my path is coming to an end" i nearly cried when i listened to this
"I asked them to come with me but they wouldn't" possibly one of the worst choices the gang could've made
Out of all the cutscenes this one hurts the most, a changed man says goodbye to a good man who's conflicted.
As iconic as "I'm afraid" is, this version is far better. This is a man who Arthur knows telling him the truth, speaking about his own issues and how he has changed now himself, Sister Calderon just says "I know you're a good man" and doesn't offer much useful insight.
How come in order to get the best version, you have to avoid content? Seems counterproductive
This is a really underrated scene I like the one with sister but this one is great too.
Swanson ended up being so much stronger than most of the gang. He turned his life around, overcame his alcoholism and depression, and refound his faith in God all while the gang was falling apart around him.
So proud of Reverend. Changed his life around and went to move on to a new congregation,
“You’ll do what’s right”
“... I don’t know about that”
“I do.”
Don’t know why but that was always the best line for me, for Arthur to hear that and know that there are those with faith in how good of a man he is.
I think Swanson showed here in this scene just how much he really cared about Arthur and the rest of the gang. But he also knew that he couldn't force any of them to save themselves if they chose not to.
He did what he could do, but ultimately realized that they had to choose for themselves what they would do.
And therefore that's why encouraged Arthur the way he did, that perhaps Arthur could save the ones that he apparently couldn't.
I wish Pearson, Marybeth, Karen, and Uncle had their chance to say goodbye to Arthur. For them to just disappear without saying goodbye like that, it just makes you feel cheated out of what could have been powerful and beautiful scenes.
I had the Sister's, which was emotional in its own way...but I really wish there was a way to do both scenes somehow. This gave a nice symmetry to the first real scene we have with Reverend on our one mission with him.
I was crying in this cutscenes
AnticRadSHARK especially when he said “you lived your life like a man and turned yourself into a Goodman”
A communist The cutscene already made me sad, but that quote hit me hard. Made me think about my playthrough which i started as a savage outlaw and then, during ch6 redeemed myself by taking good choices and doing some honor missions like the ones for Charlotte the widow and Edith Downes.
Real G’s have the sister here.
sorry for the late reply but real G's played the played the game twice to see them both.
kgo40 Yeah that too.
@Jimbob1708 yeah dude the reply value in this game is crazy. try studying most animals and finishing most challenges while you're at it.
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Nice pfp, but both are good
I guess since I was already getting the nun scene, my Swanson left after a random interaction in the Beaver Hollow camp.
I really do feel like Swanson was more Canon in my playthrough. I mean Calderon is great but they should've kept both in, just change up the dialogue. Swanson made me feel that much more sure in that final chapter. "Save who you can, and lrt the rest rot.. And look after yourself
I never met the mother cause when i tried to her mission i accidentally ran her over with the horse so thats why i got the swanson scene
lamo that messed up
The nun has the "I'm afraid" moment but I think Swanson's description of high honor Arthur fits better.
I think this is a neutral ending.
No you can have good honor and still get the reverend just dont do the Brother mission that way Arthur doesnt meet sister
Ricky L. I think he’s right , neutral in the sense you were good , but weren’t the best , if you were you would have helped the sister, making this close to the middle ground
@@willchalloner6643 true but im saying you can still finish with a full bar of good honor and still get the Reverend
Ricky L. Also true
There's isn't a neutral anything in this game tbh.
High or low honor, you would have Swanson either way, unless you did the Brother sidequest in saint denis.
Hot take:
This is better than the Sister Calderon encounter
Swanson was someone I greatly empathized with, he was a broken man who was always completely honest with the struggles he had with addiction. He was just a tragic character and I am glad he got a happy ending!
I still think Arthur canonically was a good person, even if he was an outlaw. He may have done some bad things, but he always did right by the people he loved and helped those he could. Him dying peacefully on the hill was a great final moment for him
Got this scene the first time around. I'm almost positive I rescued the slaves at the fence in San Denis for Brother Dorkins but I was so invested in the main story I got this far before I could go see him at the church and meet Sister Calderon. Saw what happens if you meet her (with good honor of course) and got the cutscene on the second playthrough. Both are touching and it's a moment where Arthur is vulnerable and is venting in a way he never had before. He now understands what he has to do and it's just another example of how next level this writing was. Unbelievable swan song for Dan Houser
Wow. I didn’t even know this scene existed without Sister Calderone. She’s a side mission character so of course it wouldn’t make sense if this was the first time you meet her, I just literally hadn’t ever thought about how this scene would play out if you hadn’t done that questline. And yea having her in this scene adds so much more to the story overall.
Stacked up against each other, this scene, while doing what it needs to, doesn’t have near the power that the other scene has with sister Calderon. We spend way too much time getting to know Swanson as a drunk deadbeat lunatic and his change is so abrupt and clumsy that I never see his change as anything more than performative since I’ve seen too many people in my life try to convince you they’ve changed and keep up the act just long enough to get what they want out of you before reverting back.
I will never forget the Calderone version of this scene as long as I live.
The scene with the nun is best
This isn't a game, this is true cinema
In my first playthrough I met Reverend here. In my second sister Calderon. I ain't sure which one I like more. "I'm afraid" hit different though.
When you compare this cutscene to the level Who is Not without Sin then you see what an enormous transformation Swanson makes throughout the game. Legend has it that on a quiet night you can still hear "one night when I was frisky" echoing across the Grizzlies 💙
The only prayer book in Swanson had is a California prayer book lord forgive those who have a royal flush against us
I do like this interaction better than Sister's tbh. I think its because of reverand's affiliation with the gang that makes it more powerful to me. Its just more of the gang dissolving and going their own ways, really in tune with whats happening in the story. Not that Sister's isn't good too, its great. I just think this one is a lot less hamfisted.
Wish we had both conversations with Swanson and Sister Calderone
One of the best scenes in the game.
arthur may not have been a good person in the sense that he committed robberies, he had killed people and things like that, but he had saved and regretted many things he had done, such as with thomas downes, then he helped his family and he felt very bad about what happened to him. had done and then fired the leopold strauss because he threatened people with family and the poor so i think he was a good man
"You lived your life like a man, arthur, and you turned into a good man, if we were all like you thing might have turned out differently."
Man that is.... Deep💘
Wait.
I thought it was supposed to be that Nun, whom Arthur met in Saint Denis, that was supposed to meet him in this scene.
How did it change to Swanson somehow???
If you dont do Siser Calderon's missions or have low honor you get Swanson.
This one is so much better than the nun one
I agree
I think this was way more fitting than with the sister. Because Swanson and Arthur have a long history together so this fit alot better. The only thing I would change is not having Swanson say Arthur isn't a good man
I'm pissed that I didn't get this cutscene on my second playthrough. I loved it the first time I played the game but then on my second playthrough I did as many stranger missions as I could before I had to say goodbye to Arthur again :( but that meant the Sister replaced Reverand Swanson in this scene. Kinda weird because without this, he just disappears from the camp
Yes exactly, after Arthur’s story I thought ‘where did the reverend go, he just left without saying anything’. That doesn’t make sense, I believe Swanson would have said goodbye to Arthur. They shouldn’t have made the cutscene depend on a mission choice. If you do every mission you miss out on Swansons goodbye. This is the first time I have seen this cutscene.
The confession to the Sister is better than this one in my opinion and more fitting.
He really did change. Reverend was a soul once lost now found.
As heartbreaking as "I'm afraid..." is, I prefer this over the one with Sister Calderon because Swanson personally knew Arthur, so it just hits harder.
:( it's painfull
Swansons redemption arc is so underrated. He went from the man who’d randomly walk up to Arthur singing about “a lobster” and “a knob, sir”to fixing himself and trying to save the entire camp. We love you, Rev 👏
It was such a great game with a really sad story to tell. I really felt terrible for Arthur, and obviously that’s the point. I always played it as a moral character (as moral as I could be considering Arthur is a crook).
No matter how long I've played this game, I'm still blown away by how the light glows red through people's ears like that. So damned good. Everything about this game is a shining example of excellence.
Swanson is underrated as hell man.
I’m playing with low honor in RDR2 right now and it’s hard, seeing all the little details of Arthur being a bad man just tears me up…. I have to play a high honor way strictly for the cut scenes
Y’all saying this is better than sister Claderon’s no man no way. Arthur confines in someone he hardly knows and will never see again and has to get it out, because he doesn’t want those he has to protect think that he can’t protect them. Also this version doesn’t have the “I’m afraid” like so it’s automatically worse
Sorry fam but take a quick looks at twitter. Everyone agrees that sister Caldera’s cutscene is better
I loved seeing Swanson dig himself into a hole with his drinking and pissing all over himself and then clean up his act and started doing chores around the camp
I am gonna run away if I lose my full time job my siblings and family put me through alot and I'd rather be free then blackmailed by them
Is there anyone who can tell me how to get this exact cut scene??
I didn’t play the Nun mission in Saint Denis, and I had good honor
How'd you get Reverend Swanson in this cutscene? I got the Sister in my playthrough.
Goodbye, Rev....
I'm kinda glad I missed the sister missions on my first playthrough, because I saw this while having good honour
I never enjoyed Reverends quests or his overall character but this goodbye really hit me hard for some reason. I don't know if its because this is when i realized it was all over or if im just a baby.
1:51 In a bro-code nutshell
Reverend: I love you!
Arthur: I love you, too!
Rdr2 is the greatest game ever made. Such an amazing interactions and emotions man I want rdr3 if they make. Arthur❤
Hes more aggressive here than the low honor one.He's seemed pretty upset when he mentioned the woman and jack.
I love the fact that Reverend has changed a lot, and this scene proves it. Later, after a few years, he will become from a drunken mess to the Father
I had high honor and never got this scene, I wonder why.
Ah yes I got the sister…
I think Swanson suffers from depression
I remember when I saw this cutscene I keep standing there until the train is out of sight.
I don’t remember this bit at all as part of the gameplay at all!
It’s only available if you don’t help the nun.
@@Pagemaster22193 I think it depends on the honor
@@13.79 yeah that too.
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As others in this comment section have stated, getting the Sister versus the Reverend depends on whether you completed the mission for Brother Dorkins in Saint Denis
You can have Calderon and/or Swanson on both High and Low Honor.
beautiful how when you meet him, you save reverend from a train, in the end, he leaves on a train
I got this on my first play through and Honestly I think it fits better than with the nun
There's no difference in this scene whether you have high or low honor. I was on the fence about getting this game but this scene confirmed my suspicions.
My brother in Christ it’s been 4 years
@@SatanbutspelledBroderick Ahka Virginia!
@@Robertward111 are you saying you aren’t getting the game because of one scene? If so, that is incredibly nitpicky
@@paulallen2680 what can I say? I have high standards when it comes to my video games. High honor or low honor, If the scenes are all going to be the same why even bother.
@@Robertward111 that is so pathetic, I really don’t have much to tell you. What scene do you think is perfect? Rdr2 scenes are different depending on what honor you have for certain mission, others it does not because it’s trying to make a story, even if it’s a linear story. The honor system is mainly only used to see what ending you’ll get for Arthur. I can’t imagine what game that could live up to the “high standards” that you have. But not buying a game because of one cutscene? There just sad and you probably have personal reasons on why you don’t like the game even though you never played it😂
I did saw Sister was in saint denis before she met me at train station
I think the sister’s cutscene is by far one of the most powerful moments in the game but I also think Rockstar shouldn’t have replaced this interaction with hers on high honor. I think there’s a way where both cutscenes (low/good honor reverend and high honor sister) could have been implemented without replacing each other
I have good honor and i got the reverand
@@ldcat2582 it depends if you do the sister’s stranger mission or not
What mission is this? I didn't get this scene with Swanson. Grimshaw just tell Arthur that he left.
The one quote that always gets me from this game is from uncle after he argues with Dutch. “There goes the greatest man we know, even he’s lost”. They all followed a man they thought they could trust with their lives until it was too late. God this is the best game ever.
JOHN 3:16
FOR GOD SO LOVE THE WORLD, THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE
I’ve done bad honor for reverend and good honor for that nun
I got this scene and I kinda prefer it
2:06 I literally got emotional
Damn Swanson…starts off you following around camp singing about potent whiskey…
Then we see him saying one final heartfelt goodbye to Arthur, a man whom he watched turn into a good man and honestly?
That shit made me cry…
First time we see Swanson he is drunk at a train station playing poker and we bring him back too camp
Last time we see him is at a train station, where he is clean and sober leaving too safely away from the gang
Swanson said "you're not a good man" and "you're a good man" within 2 minutes.
He's not all bad either did you not hear?
If we were all like you things might have turned out differently 😭😭😭
I love the Sister's conversation but the Swanson version is just more... realistic