This game writing was so strong that its affected every subsequent playthrough for me in a way where I cannot in good conscience play as low honor arthur. Ever
I’m low honour Arthur atm and loving it! Did a 100 percent high honour run when the game came out but tbh this low honour run has been so much more memorable and enjoyable! Arthur and antagonise are a chefs kiss together 😂
It's possible the doctor still believes in the miasma theory of disease and is using the tobacco smoke to "cleanse" himself, just like how he washed his hands right before lighting the pipe. Miasma theory was a long lasting belief that disease was caused by bad smells, so many people would burn tobacco or other herbs thinking the strong smell would overpower the disease smell and protect them from infection. Germ theory was put forward around the middle of the 19th century and essentially proven correct before the end of the century, but it took decades to be universally accepted.
I just finished the game last week never thought a game character would make us so emotional. I stopped playing after Abigail moved in the new land. Couldn't bare Arthur's death and now john ? I just don't want to witness another death.
High Honor: The news is a total shock, but his memories are filled with comfort. People are rooting for him, he feels shocked, but warm, as he has a goal to accomplish. Redemption, for it is possible for him. His head held his head high, as the deer comes and it isn't threatening, in fact isn't afraid of Arthur at all as it stares at him, dead in the face. Low Honor: Another bad day. A bad day in a string of horrible bad days. The news is a shock, yes, but it's hardly surprising to him. He thinks of the gang, and it's finality, how it's all falling apart and everyone's just waiting on it with anticipation. And perhaps, how much he's loathed as a Savage that needs put down, just like the rest of the gang. The world is dark, gloomy, and at the end of a road, a lone fox searching for food along the ungiving stone road keeps their body frame low and to the ground as they look at Arthur. They're afraid, and they rush off much faster than Arthur can catch up.
Nah I think it’s the same regardless. Arthur’s not in shock bc he’s literally been sick since the start of Guarma, he knew whatever it was it wasn’t good and it was only getting worse as the days went on. Idk why people act like high honor and low honor are different characters when they’re really not, it’s just 2 sides of Arthur much like anyone else really, nobody is completely good or bad we’re all grey
Neat thing I learned from the symbolism in this game. Stags and Coyotes are heavy symbols of morality and the afterlife in some Native American cultures
@@jakomioftherose2434 Coyotes are the easier ones, they're trickster spirits, curses, meaning if Arthur sees one he's on a path towards damnation. Stags on the other hand are a titch more esoteric. Stags represent justice, truth, honor and other concepts, mind you people's of the first nations don't nessecarily define those concepts like Europeans do, but Arthur seeing a stag means that no matter what he's on the right oath towards redemption
@@ProboscusMonkeI was a bad Arthur, even while trying my best to not kill beyond what was needed, paid off whatever i got in after any mission, was neutral
A fun fact as well coming from a native american from the Umatilla region (northeast Oregon): The stags in our culture were actually either a man or a woman who gave themselves unto Creator (our form of 'god' essentially) in order to breathe new life into the world in the form of Deer, rabbits, and other animals. So the portrayal of the stag in rdr2 being high honor is actually in line with indigenous beliefs. The coyote is also in line with the stories they were given. The coyote is seen as you described a trickster, curses and generally seen as bad omens due to them being primarily scavengers in the area i live in. So not only did the rdr2 devs have an incredible story, but also accurately portrayed my culture in a respectful and meaningful way.
Oh wow that’s beautiful and very cool! I’m not Native but as a spiritualist me and mine also call Them “Creator,” or just “Spirit.” Can you tell more of your Creator, or point me where to look to learn about your people’s take on Them? :)
Low: a man who gets the fate that he deserves High: a man who realizes that there was always kindness inside of him l, even if he could only see it in his final moments
Well i dont think Arthur was always a good man i don't think he was a bad man but just a man stuck doing bad things but i think seeing everything in his life go down hill causes him to finally do good things and try be a good person
Dude, Arthur was a bad man. He's doing a "Breaking Bad" shit, but reverse. Thats why has more sense playing with low honor til this moment. Arthur WAS a BAD MAN. "REDEMPTION"
@@cairox1509 But what's the point?! The canonical honor is high. So they just wasted time and resources to stamp a bunch of extra irrelevant cutscenes!
I never really gave two sh1ts about John...but Arthur? No matter how many good deeds I did, my dude Arthur deserved better, and Micah's punishment was never satisfying enough.
One other thing I think arthur is supposed to start of abit bad and corrupted then get better in the end. As theres challenges which earn you special clothes. But you have to do bad things and be a bandit to unlock them. And also get really drunk as arthur then walk around insulting people.😂 you dem bstrd if you care to much about the low honor you miss out on so much fun. You lot should goto emerald ranch. Climb up the water tower. Its next to the big water tower. Jump of the top aim for the water tower funny af
Makes more sense. He knows he’s gonna die and so he realises he’s been a bad man. Which is why going high honor past this point makes the most sense as well
In 1914 if Arthur Morgan was alive he would still be in hiding living in a Forrest by a waterfall in a steady home married to a wonderful lady with a baby daughter as a lumberman for a living.
@@kirklynncentore532 He's a lumberjack and that's ok. He sleeps all night and he works all day. He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps He likes to press wild flowers He puts on women's clothing And hangs around in bars
Mir first playthrough I was low honor for this scene, but started being high honor and ended with the high honor, saving John ending. That feels like the most natural and canon playthrough ino
Finished my second play through yesterday with high honor, and the end is so much more memorable to me than my low honor play through. I was stunned time after time as it got close to the end. And the final scene just changed everything for me. I can't do low honor again.
RDR2 is masterpiece into every possible way.I am on my 3rd playthrough and this game still amaze me. There is nothing i can compare with RDR2 and i am 44 years old man.
The same thing happened to me but with Fallout 3 I wanted to play as evil but I couldn't anymore. I think the same thing would happen to me in this game
His walking away is how I felt after my mother passed with stage four cancer. 10 days.... diagnosis to death. Then on my way to pay for the funeral home arrangements I blew a right front tire on the Glen Jackson Bridge. Paid. Got home nor two hours later my dog had a stroke. Died the next day. Crazy how life is and how I can relate to this beautiful game.
@lst8185 We walk to carry on. The weight on one's shoulders has to be stronger than a true man's supporters. I have to be there for my family. My wife... sisters... my kids... it's been a month since my mothers passing, like Arthers haze it goes away. True men carry on.... some crumble. It's a mans six shooter roulette. True Men choose not to give in to the triggers pull.
Im so sorry Leo. My dads wife got diagnosed with cancer too, but at the time they found out it was too late, it had spread to far, both lungs and the lymf-nodes (i think is the right word) This was in october 4 years ago and in february she was gone. But my gosh 10 days, i cant imagine...And then your dog, life is a b*itch sometimes to say the least. But I agree with the expression "f*ck cancer" since its such a creepy desease and you can feel just fine until its really too late. Anyways i hope you stay strong and cheers from Sweden! 🍻
I had a health scare some time back, the way Arthur reacts to his diagnosis is uncomfortably realistic to thinking something is... Wrong, you spend a lot of time thinking, living in the moment, and focusing on random things. Its uncomfortable to think about in truth, but this game did a really good job with this.
my personal head canon is that the proper and intended story the developers wanted you to follow was a low honor playthrough, up until this scene. once arthur realizes he doesn't have the same time left he thought he did, he gains a new outlook on life and tries to right his wrongs. he then learns that there are some wrongs you just can't make right, but he still tries his best to make the most of the time he has left.
I will always remember that scene. Was being diagnosed with MS when I was playing RDR2 and it made me really emotional. All time favorite game, incredible story, gameplay and was able to relate to main character.
@@Xiter2024 Yeah well i am too then, im 48 and this and the first the last of us are the 2 games that really have made me feel really connected to characters and story. This on the other hand is the best game i have ever played, period, cheers!
@@bootleg6477 Haha ok, and who says you cant do both? For example both Hollow and theradbrad have families and can still game. But whatever, its just me and my apartment here so i can game all i want, i dont need to "take care of" anyone (except my parents, which i do when needed)
@@Rastajevoonce you've reached the stage Arthur was at during this scene you will, without fail, die without antibiotics. Dry weather would've only slowed his decline. The only way Arthur could've been saved after meeting Downes would've been to immediately move to somewhere dry and for him to relax as Tuberculosis isn't actually fatal until a certain point. The reason Arthur's tuberculosis progressed really really fast because he was constantly under physical strain throughout the course of the story. He gets tortured by Colm, he gets shipwrecked on Guarma, He gets shot at constantly and has to run etc. Plus he's a smoker which exacerbated it.
its not much different today. in many diseases, we treat the symptoms, not the disease itself because we still do not know a darn thing about their patophysiology. it is basically sweeping things under the carpet.
@@gladeateor1950 I don't think the OP took that into consideration, most people are upset because Arthur died young by today's average life expectancy.
In 1943 a treatment was discovered someday we the world will see cancer as an illness of the past. Every day in this world, someone gets a diagnosis that changes everything. This game showed some that touching another life has consequences, be always of high honor.
See, the moment that made me cry in this game (multiple times) is when high honor Arthur goes to confront Dutch and Micah and the gang. To see someone who was RAISED into a bad situation, only to redeem himself AND THEN get hit with the "he's going to die, and there's NOTHING you can do about it," you cry like a BABY the first time you see it. NOBODY can spend 100+ hours on a character and NOT be attached.
@@ItachisOnly1 it kind of just turned out that way, in the beginning of my playthrough I messed around a lot and my ended up causing my honer to plummet. I eventually tried getting my honor up but i kept messing up and getting set back, and just ending up with a really neutral honor.
The fact that in my first playthrough i always got the coyote vision, without being low honor, but when my arthur died, it was so beautiful i started sobbing, seeing the coyote and approaching the end of the game you always see the coyote and the entire game is a saddening grey and cold colours. but when i died i saw the deer and my game as i lived the last moments of arthur turned a beautiful yellow and warm colors, it's like arthur saw the good in him before dying, the beautiful colours of the life he craved for. Yeah it still make me tear up to this day.
I finished the main game for the first time a few days ago and I did it high honour whereas after the prologue I will specifically do low honour things to see the difference.
When I first saw Arthur coughing it confused the heck out of me I was riding my horse and it suddenly stopped and Arthur started to cough and he fell off…. Then my step mom told me Arthur “may” die and that gave it away….
Yeah im on my third playthrough and still find things/places i havent seen before. Can be just a smaller place for example that i just find really beautiful or interesting. I can say this is the game ive taken most screenshots from without a doubt
I was low honor when I first started. Took a break for a few years, and went high honor a free talking to the nun. She really made me want to do better
After all these years and this game still amazed me with all these new details even after 100 hours poured in . I guess i really need to replay this game more. How can i experience all these things by my self
The first time I was playing and I went through this I was a bad man but then after the flashback words I became a better man and died the high honor way
I really like how the doctor's glasses are reflecting the glare so we can't see his eyes as Arthur leaves. I've always thought it was super cheesy when the glare on glasses covered the eyes in anime but for whatever reason I think it works really well here.
bro this mision hit me because i remember some feeling about dispair and start walking to nowhere with a lot of shiet in my mind. i think they capture the scene verry well
You know this part made me tear up, but what really got me was when Arthur was sitting with Sister Caledrón at the train station and he said he was afraid.
I tried playing low honor as John and it was kinda fun and I thought it wouldn’t matter much since I finished the game but it gave me a horrible feeling and somehow made me feel like a horrible and cruel person outside of the game so I just couldn’t do it
Exactly. A lot of people say they play high honor Arthur but low honor John. The entire point of Arthur's sacrifice was for John to get out of the criminal lifestyle and change his ways, living a normal life with his family. To play low honor John in either RDR game is making Arthur's sacrifice mean nothing.
@@StarwayBunnythen you realize it’s just a video game and the story doesn’t factor in all the people John can kill in the epilogue without consequences
This blew my mind I never realized until I watched this I had low honor through my play through but by the end of the game and after I saw this scene I ended the game with high honor endings, which just fits so poetically with the ending line of “I tired, in the end, I did”
When i first played through this, I was doing pallative care for my father, who was dying of lung Fibrosis. The, symptoms and the manner in which you die are the same as TB. After this scene i stopped playing. Until about six months after my father died, going through Arthur’s end, let me experience my grief as an outside observer. It helped a lot.
After being with Arthur and doing all these things with them I feel like I’m right beside it. Yes technically I know it’s a game, but I don’t count Arthur Morgan as a fictional character. I count him as a real person and for those of you who play him with low honor that is not what he deserves he deserves the highest owner he can possibly have, I love you so much Arthur Morgan ❤️
Tears ran down my face first playthrough. Suddenly the gradual worsening cough made sense, and realizing this wasnt gonna have a happy ending nomatter what.
It breaks my heart to say this but him getting The sickness was one if the best things that could’ve happened to him. He started changing his life around and Helped out people, did good for the time he had left. He got his redemption
The first time I played this game I had really low honor, but it was cutscenes like this and other parts of the game where I actually turned that around and had a complete redemption, just like the title! Also last time I played this game it was 2020, and now that I'm older, this scene feels way more depressing. You can see the fear in Arthur's eyes at the doctors
I just realised that at this moment, I was at low honour. But I saw the sun shining and the deer. I was at the brisk of getting shot by that RAT in the head. Those final good deeds saved me from lifetime trauma❤
My first time playing I had really low honor but second time around I have high honor it's hard to keep it all the way up bc ppl get mad at u for everything I got wanted for disturbing the peace and that was me getting off my horse near someone I don't even know what happened it just started showing up witnesses then showed wanted for disturbing the peace or how many times I've accidentally ran into someone with my horse or ran into their horse or some missions where they say try not to kill anyone then u try but end up shooting most sometimes I try my best just a hog tie them as I'm getting shot too I have like five guys shooting at me as I'm trying to hog tie one guy at a time lol.
Whenever i play as arthur, i help anyone I can and do high honor For john? The opposite because i can always just pay off the bounties and get my honor up
i finished my 2nd playthough, 1st time i didnt know i got the low honor ending until my friend told me about the deer in between chapters. I cried like a baby when i got the high honor ending
I never thought about this but the probably programmed alot kf different scenarios eith the animal you see depending on ehixh way you walk from the doctors
This scene right here hit me, how empty the “busy” street is and walking alone on the path for an elegant deer cross Arthur’s path and for him to stop and stare at the event unfolding, the deer then roamed away and when I turned around the busy people of Saint Denis once again flooded the streets as if they were never gone and I was washed away by the sea of pedestrian traffic. Was it a dream or a miracle I wondered? I’ll never forget that moment
I actually had a lower honor and got the grey walk (and for most of the game I was neutral, but some situations kept coming up causing my honor to lower), I truly am happy that I was able to end the game in high Honor and get that visual with the deer as it made me feel as though I had done good.
The first time I played the game I got the low honor cutscene, and when I saw that wolf at the end of the road. I knew I had to change what I was doing and this was a sign that the game was telling me
I was originally planing on playing as high honor first and then low honor but after my first play though I simply do not have the heart to play as low honor Arthur
I had low honor when I played this scene my first playthrough and then I saw that wolf almost like death telling me that I’m running out of time and so I went on to be as good as possible until I got the high honor ending. I feel like that’s the best way to play it.
For me this cutscene was the pivot point and make me whant to get higher honour, it was so important in the gameplay that I believe that I wouldn’t enjoy the final redemption as much
For me this scene hit extra hard because I had done the stranger encounter where you take the feller to get his leg sawn off, so my Arthur already had a relationship and a rapport with this Doctor before he came in. It wasn't just a random city Doctor at a walk in clinic telling him he's sick, it was a guy he trusted and already saw firsthand save somebody's life. I had no problem handing him the cash, and took him at his word for everything. There's no getting around the fact Arthur is sick, and in this era, he's gonna die. Part of me hoped going in there was some super ultra secret ending where Arthur could retire and settle down with Sadie or Mary off someplace far away from the events of the first game. But as soon as I heard those words "You've got tuberculosis." I knew there was no getting out of this for him. There was no happy ending.
I was low honor through n through. Maybe a few times I tried correcting Arthur's ways, but folk wouldn't stay out of the way. Its a hard ways to go walking the straight n narrow, and not everyone is up to it.
See I’ve never played the game but something that stresses me is it seems if you get in an unwanted confrontation, there’s no way to just end the fight without killing your opponent. Is there a way to diffuse fights in this game?? I’ve also noticed all you have to do is stand NEXT to someone for too long before they draw a gun you 😭
"Fable 2" had a great system of good or bad honor where depending on it changed your appearance, bad honor gave you horns while good honor gave you a halo
It’s not fairly early into the story, though? At least for Arthur’s story - it’s after Guarma, so chapter 5/6 (because you can do this mission before the chapter 6 titlecard displays and the gang moves, happened to me), but I do agree nonetheless. One of the most moving scenes in the game, and one of the most moving scenes in video game history, IMO.
@@spencerreidswife Oh sorry, I meant the moment in a mission (Sorry I can't remember the name of it) Where he gets coughed and spluttered on by the guy who has it too. I remember it being fairly early on but, At the time you think nothing of it.
@ben4190 Oh yeah, totally! Also, I think the mission you're talking about is Money Lending & Other Sins (I belive II or III?) where Thomas Downes spits on Arthur. Yeah, it's so early no one thought anything of it.
A couple of weeks ago i finished my second run of this game, i wanted to play a low honor run but i just simple couldn't, i'm not strong enough for that i guess lol
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I simply never could play low honor Arthur..Simply by my opinion he deserves high honor gameplay.
This game writing was so strong that its affected every subsequent playthrough for me in a way where I cannot in good conscience play as low honor arthur. Ever
I can usually play nuetral honor Arthur for chapter 1-4 but never can go low honor😅
Me too sweetheart, me too
Yeah, I tried to play Arthur as an asshole. I just couldn’t do it. I just couldn’t see the character like that.
I’m low honour Arthur atm and loving it! Did a 100 percent high honour run when the game came out but tbh this low honour run has been so much more memorable and enjoyable! Arthur and antagonise are a chefs kiss together 😂
You have tuberculosis...*lights up pipe*
Tobacco could ease the symptoms by causing nerve damage in the lungs, though it let sickness progress faster.
It's possible the doctor still believes in the miasma theory of disease and is using the tobacco smoke to "cleanse" himself, just like how he washed his hands right before lighting the pipe. Miasma theory was a long lasting belief that disease was caused by bad smells, so many people would burn tobacco or other herbs thinking the strong smell would overpower the disease smell and protect them from infection. Germ theory was put forward around the middle of the 19th century and essentially proven correct before the end of the century, but it took decades to be universally accepted.
@@Celestial_Cryptid Besides they didn't know of the tobacco effects we do now
Tobacco was thought to be good for your health, and was even advertised as such back then
@@fate3071 Watch fruit be like tobacco in 2065.
I'm so jealous of the people who have never played this game and still have the chance to play it for the first time
playing it for the first time this week and can't figure out why I haven't done that earlier. :')
i am soon and i didnt think this was a spoiler scene but a random encounter so dam
Right? It is just my PC barely runs GTA 4
me
I just finished the game last week never thought a game character would make us so emotional.
I stopped playing after Abigail moved in the new land. Couldn't bare Arthur's death and now john ? I just don't want to witness another death.
High Honor: The news is a total shock, but his memories are filled with comfort. People are rooting for him, he feels shocked, but warm, as he has a goal to accomplish. Redemption, for it is possible for him. His head held his head high, as the deer comes and it isn't threatening, in fact isn't afraid of Arthur at all as it stares at him, dead in the face.
Low Honor: Another bad day. A bad day in a string of horrible bad days. The news is a shock, yes, but it's hardly surprising to him. He thinks of the gang, and it's finality, how it's all falling apart and everyone's just waiting on it with anticipation. And perhaps, how much he's loathed as a Savage that needs put down, just like the rest of the gang. The world is dark, gloomy, and at the end of a road, a lone fox searching for food along the ungiving stone road keeps their body frame low and to the ground as they look at Arthur. They're afraid, and they rush off much faster than Arthur can catch up.
Coyote, not a fox.
Ah, oops.@@Yardidol
Damn bro thats deep
beautiful.
Nah I think it’s the same regardless. Arthur’s not in shock bc he’s literally been sick since the start of Guarma, he knew whatever it was it wasn’t good and it was only getting worse as the days went on. Idk why people act like high honor and low honor are different characters when they’re really not, it’s just 2 sides of Arthur much like anyone else really, nobody is completely good or bad we’re all grey
Neat thing I learned from the symbolism in this game. Stags and Coyotes are heavy symbols of morality and the afterlife in some Native American cultures
Can you tell me? I'd actually want to know.
@@jakomioftherose2434 Coyotes are the easier ones, they're trickster spirits, curses, meaning if Arthur sees one he's on a path towards damnation. Stags on the other hand are a titch more esoteric. Stags represent justice, truth, honor and other concepts, mind you people's of the first nations don't nessecarily define those concepts like Europeans do, but Arthur seeing a stag means that no matter what he's on the right oath towards redemption
@@ProboscusMonkeI was a bad Arthur, even while trying my best to not kill beyond what was needed, paid off whatever i got in after any mission, was neutral
A fun fact as well coming from a native american from the Umatilla region (northeast Oregon): The stags in our culture were actually either a man or a woman who gave themselves unto Creator (our form of 'god' essentially) in order to breathe new life into the world in the form of Deer, rabbits, and other animals. So the portrayal of the stag in rdr2 being high honor is actually in line with indigenous beliefs. The coyote is also in line with the stories they were given. The coyote is seen as you described a trickster, curses and generally seen as bad omens due to them being primarily scavengers in the area i live in. So not only did the rdr2 devs have an incredible story, but also accurately portrayed my culture in a respectful and meaningful way.
Oh wow that’s beautiful and very cool! I’m not Native but as a spiritualist me and mine also call Them “Creator,” or just “Spirit.” Can you tell more of your Creator, or point me where to look to learn about your people’s take on Them? :)
Low: a man who gets the fate that he deserves
High: a man who realizes that there was always kindness inside of him l, even if he could only see it in his final moments
Well i dont think Arthur was always a good man i don't think he was a bad man but just a man stuck doing bad things but i think seeing everything in his life go down hill causes him to finally do good things and try be a good person
Dude, Arthur was a bad man. He's doing a "Breaking Bad" shit, but reverse. Thats why has more sense playing with low honor til this moment. Arthur WAS a BAD MAN. "REDEMPTION"
Why does low honor route even exist?!
Obviously super few people were going to playthrough it!
@@Murv002 Basically, because it brings meaning to the choices we make.
@@cairox1509
But what's the point?!
The canonical honor is high.
So they just wasted time and resources to stamp a bunch of extra irrelevant cutscenes!
The whole population of RDR2 players has chosen the good honor path for Arthur
I really wanted good honor path but I kept accidently trampling over people and getting low honor
I never really gave two sh1ts about John...but Arthur? No matter how many good deeds I did, my dude Arthur deserved better, and Micah's punishment was never satisfying enough.
I did low honor once, I'm still dreading over it
One other thing I think arthur is supposed to start of abit bad and corrupted then get better in the end. As theres challenges which earn you special clothes. But you have to do bad things and be a bandit to unlock them. And also get really drunk as arthur then walk around insulting people.😂 you dem bstrd if you care to much about the low honor you miss out on so much fun.
You lot should goto emerald ranch. Climb up the water tower. Its next to the big water tower. Jump of the top aim for the water tower funny af
Landing straight on Arthur's head from about 30 feet is funny af😂
I was playing with low honor until after this point, that wolf was so eerie it made me change my ways lol.
I imagine that isn’t the first time a coyote’s struck the fear’a GAWD into people 😂
At the end of the game for me I tried to get high honor (about here was the turning point for me) but I ended right in the middle which counts as low
It's a coyote
Makes more sense. He knows he’s gonna die and so he realises he’s been a bad man. Which is why going high honor past this point makes the most sense as well
I was the same exact way and it literally scared me so I looked up how to get high honor FAST
Fun Fact: In 1914 as Jack in news paper you can see the TB cure its tobacco
In 1914 if Arthur Morgan was alive he would still be in hiding living in a Forrest by a waterfall in a steady home married to a wonderful lady with a baby daughter as a lumberman for a living.
@@kirklynncentore532 weirdo
@@stephenmccabe1489 Each to their own.
@@kirklynncentore532 very specific
@@kirklynncentore532
He's a lumberjack and that's ok.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.
He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps
He likes to press wild flowers
He puts on women's clothing
And hangs around in bars
Mir first playthrough I was low honor for this scene, but started being high honor and ended with the high honor, saving John ending. That feels like the most natural and canon playthrough ino
Definitely
I just can’t play low honor Arthur. I always try to the right thing.
Yeah in chapter 2 i thought Arthur was gonna be fine.
Agreed but I wasn’t even purposely low honor I just did what felt right
I did a lot of terrible things... out by emerald ranch...
I’m not crying, you’re crying!
🥹
Mate, we all are.
We all are bud
Now.i.dont.wanna finish the game.. 😢
No. We. We are.
Do you know what filled my eyes with tears when I woke up one morning and my best mate Gavin was missing, has anyone seen Gavin?
You're still looking for him?
@@JoCaTen yes I had been 125 years
@GavinsFriend123 and you'll keep looking for him, gluck❤❤❤❤😂
I heard that this Gavin is just some imaginary friend of his
Finished my second play through yesterday with high honor, and the end is so much more memorable to me than my low honor play through. I was stunned time after time as it got close to the end. And the final scene just changed everything for me. I can't do low honor again.
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RDR2 is masterpiece into every possible way.I am on my 3rd playthrough and this game still amaze me. There is nothing i can compare with RDR2 and i am 44 years old man.
I just finished my second play through about a week ago, and I agree with you high honor ending is way better n more memorable.
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The same thing happened to me but with Fallout 3 I wanted to play as evil but I couldn't anymore.
I think the same thing would happen to me in this game
His walking away is how I felt after my mother passed with stage four cancer. 10 days.... diagnosis to death. Then on my way to pay for the funeral home arrangements I blew a right front tire on the Glen Jackson Bridge. Paid. Got home nor two hours later my dog had a stroke. Died the next day. Crazy how life is and how I can relate to this beautiful game.
Life is not fair my guy.. You're a strong human being.
@lst8185 We walk to carry on. The weight on one's shoulders has to be stronger than a true man's supporters. I have to be there for my family. My wife... sisters... my kids... it's been a month since my mothers passing, like Arthers haze it goes away. True men carry on.... some crumble. It's a mans six shooter roulette. True Men choose not to give in to the triggers pull.
Im so sorry Leo. My dads wife got diagnosed with cancer too, but at the time they found out it was too late, it had spread to far, both lungs and the lymf-nodes (i think is the right word) This was in october 4 years ago and in february she was gone. But my gosh 10 days, i cant imagine...And then your dog, life is a b*itch sometimes to say the least. But I agree with the expression "f*ck cancer" since its such a creepy desease and you can feel just fine until its really too late. Anyways i hope you stay strong and cheers from Sweden! 🍻
Damn man I am sorry for your loss. Dog and mom gone at the same time Jesus.
I had a health scare some time back, the way Arthur reacts to his diagnosis is uncomfortably realistic to thinking something is... Wrong, you spend a lot of time thinking, living in the moment, and focusing on random things. Its uncomfortable to think about in truth, but this game did a really good job with this.
my personal head canon is that the proper and intended story the developers wanted you to follow was a low honor playthrough, up until this scene. once arthur realizes he doesn't have the same time left he thought he did, he gains a new outlook on life and tries to right his wrongs. he then learns that there are some wrongs you just can't make right, but he still tries his best to make the most of the time he has left.
I will always remember that scene. Was being diagnosed with MS when I was playing RDR2 and it made me really emotional. All time favorite game, incredible story, gameplay and was able to relate to main character.
Have never done low honor and never will. Arthur is too good for that.
Lmao what a crybaby
@@Xiter2024 Yeah well i am too then, im 48 and this and the first the last of us are the 2 games that really have made me feel really connected to characters and story. This on the other hand is the best game i have ever played, period, cheers!
@@rawsnakeI hate when old people play video games. Shouldn't you be raising your family? Move out
@@bootleg6477 Haha ok, and who says you cant do both? For example both Hollow and theradbrad have families and can still game. But whatever, its just me and my apartment here so i can game all i want, i dont need to "take care of" anyone (except my parents, which i do when needed)
@@rawsnake oh. Sorry, I was just rage baiting for fun. Your good.
That quote by Hosea definitly hits deep man. Even with high honor.
04:15
I feel bad for doctors of that era, they could diagnose diseases pretty accurately, but have no means to help their patients
Would the warm and dry weather help? Like doc suggested.
It wouldn't cure him but he would get to live a bit longer.Tb progression slows in more dryer and warmer weather.
@@Rastajevoonce you've reached the stage Arthur was at during this scene you will, without fail, die without antibiotics. Dry weather would've only slowed his decline. The only way Arthur could've been saved after meeting Downes would've been to immediately move to somewhere dry and for him to relax as Tuberculosis isn't actually fatal until a certain point. The reason Arthur's tuberculosis progressed really really fast because he was constantly under physical strain throughout the course of the story. He gets tortured by Colm, he gets shipwrecked on Guarma, He gets shot at constantly and has to run etc. Plus he's a smoker which exacerbated it.
its not much different today. in many diseases, we treat the symptoms, not the disease itself because we still do not know a darn thing about their patophysiology. it is basically sweeping things under the carpet.
They are walking in different directions also... Man, I LOVE this game!!
I miss Arthur every day :(
It’s sad to see that Arthur is still very young when he gets tuberculosis 😢
He’s 38
@@UKFinalBoss_536 nope, 36.
@@TSG042man he’s old that’s consider old at the time base on the 1899 life expectancy
@@gladeateor1950 I don't think the OP took that into consideration, most people are upset because Arthur died young by today's average life expectancy.
@@TSG04238 or 36 is still a young age to die
In 1943 a treatment was discovered someday we the world will see cancer as an illness of the past. Every day in this world, someone gets a diagnosis that changes everything. This game showed some that touching another life has consequences, be always of high honor.
My father contracted it in 1953. Still alive today 😊
I hope and pray to God that we do
See, the moment that made me cry in this game (multiple times) is when high honor Arthur goes to confront Dutch and Micah and the gang. To see someone who was RAISED into a bad situation, only to redeem himself AND THEN get hit with the "he's going to die, and there's NOTHING you can do about it," you cry like a BABY the first time you see it. NOBODY can spend 100+ hours on a character and NOT be attached.
My honor is very neutral, and when I got this scene, the wolf appeared, but there was a warmer hue like the high honor
did you do like, neutral honor on purpose, or it did it just happen to turn out that way?
@@ItachisOnly1 it kind of just turned out that way, in the beginning of my playthrough I messed around a lot and my ended up causing my honer to plummet. I eventually tried getting my honor up but i kept messing up and getting set back, and just ending up with a really neutral honor.
I recon the low honour makes more sense here cause he reflecting on his bad actions and from there changes
The fact that in my first playthrough i always got the coyote vision, without being low honor, but when my arthur died, it was so beautiful i started sobbing, seeing the coyote and approaching the end of the game you always see the coyote and the entire game is a saddening grey and cold colours. but when i died i saw the deer and my game as i lived the last moments of arthur turned a beautiful yellow and warm colors, it's like arthur saw the good in him before dying, the beautiful colours of the life he craved for. Yeah it still make me tear up to this day.
I finished the main game for the first time a few days ago and I did it high honour whereas after the prologue I will specifically do low honour things to see the difference.
When I first saw Arthur coughing it confused the heck out of me I was riding my horse and it suddenly stopped and Arthur started to cough and he fell off…. Then my step mom told me Arthur “may” die and that gave it away….
Never fails to amaze me all the little things and details that you find in this game, completed it but still amazed at the stuff I haven’t seen yet
Yeah im on my third playthrough and still find things/places i havent seen before. Can be just a smaller place for example that i just find really beautiful or interesting. I can say this is the game ive taken most screenshots from without a doubt
I was low honor when I first started. Took a break for a few years, and went high honor a free talking to the nun. She really made me want to do better
I had high honor but I used to put off playing the game once he got sick because I didn’t want him to die 😂
I haven't even played this game. But every clip I see of its plot is immaculate. Tears my heart right out my chest!😭👏🏾❤
After all these years and this game still amazed me with all these new details even after 100 hours poured in . I guess i really need to replay this game more. How can i experience all these things by my self
No matter how many times you play this game, this bit always gets ya
The first time I was playing and I went through this I was a bad man but then after the flashback words I became a better man and died the high honor way
I really like how the doctor's glasses are reflecting the glare so we can't see his eyes as Arthur leaves. I've always thought it was super cheesy when the glare on glasses covered the eyes in anime but for whatever reason I think it works really well here.
Thank you for uploading this video.
Still gets you this scene, right in the feelers :(
I remember the first time seeing this scene and it was just motivated me too do better, be kind and generous, this game is the best for life lessons
To this point for the second play thru and remembered and rode like hell out of the city before going toward Sadie.
i knew Arthur was gonna die before the game even came out but i wasn't expecting tuberculosis to be one of the causes
From beautiful to empty and vaguely creepy
bro this mision hit me because i remember some feeling about dispair and start walking to nowhere with a lot of shiet in my mind. i think they capture the scene verry well
on my second playtrough i got the low honor one (i mainly play high honor) and it made me cry
You know this part made me tear up, but what really got me was when Arthur was sitting with Sister Caledrón at the train station and he said he was afraid.
That scene hits me in the feels every god damn time.
It doesn't matter which honor you did take, cause you're good deep inside of you anyways
Both are great. Different
I tried playing low honor as John and it was kinda fun and I thought it wouldn’t matter much since I finished the game but it gave me a horrible feeling and somehow made me feel like a horrible and cruel person outside of the game so I just couldn’t do it
When can you play as other characters?.
@@andrehinds4804 after u beat chapter 6 u play as John in the epilogue
Exactly.
A lot of people say they play high honor Arthur but low honor John. The entire point of Arthur's sacrifice was for John to get out of the criminal lifestyle and change his ways, living a normal life with his family. To play low honor John in either RDR game is making Arthur's sacrifice mean nothing.
@@StarwayBunny yea that another reason why it feels so wrong to do it
@@StarwayBunnythen you realize it’s just a video game and the story doesn’t factor in all the people John can kill in the epilogue without consequences
this game made me in get caught in my feels so many times incredible game honestly.
This blew my mind I never realized until I watched this I had low honor through my play through but by the end of the game and after I saw this scene I ended the game with high honor endings, which just fits so poetically with the ending line of “I tired, in the end, I did”
When this scene played for me, I was devastated. I connected and still do connect wkth Arthur's character a lot.
When i first played through this, I was doing pallative care for my father, who was dying of lung Fibrosis. The, symptoms and the manner in which you die are the same as TB. After this scene i stopped playing.
Until about six months after my father died, going through Arthur’s end, let me experience my grief as an outside observer. It helped a lot.
After being with Arthur and doing all these things with them I feel like I’m right beside it. Yes technically I know it’s a game, but I don’t count Arthur Morgan as a fictional character. I count him as a real person and for those of you who play him with low honor that is not what he deserves he deserves the highest owner he can possibly have, I love you so much Arthur Morgan ❤️
i just finished the game for the first time, I wish I could replay missions at least the last chapter it was so good
i love the foreshadowing
Really great that the actual voice actor got TB just for this scene, so dedicated
Played both rdr1 and rdr2 both great played 10 or more times on both 😂 both my favorites
I’m just surprised there is an actual doctor. He’d usually be your barber too IRL
Came here just to watch the version I will never see in my own play through
Tears ran down my face first playthrough. Suddenly the gradual worsening cough made sense, and realizing this wasnt gonna have a happy ending nomatter what.
He didn't deserve this 😢
bro hasn't played red dead
💀
It breaks my heart to say this but him getting The sickness was one if the best things that could’ve happened to him. He started changing his life around and Helped out people, did good for the time he had left. He got his redemption
The first time I played this game I had really low honor, but it was cutscenes like this and other parts of the game where I actually turned that around and had a complete redemption, just like the title! Also last time I played this game it was 2020, and now that I'm older, this scene feels way more depressing. You can see the fear in Arthur's eyes at the doctors
Both High and Low honor it still Emontional whenever Doc breaks the News.. The Best Man in RDR is dying due to some illness..
I just realised that at this moment, I was at low honour. But I saw the sun shining and the deer. I was at the brisk of getting shot by that RAT in the head. Those final good deeds saved me from lifetime trauma❤
High Honor Arthur reminds me of my dad. Even in the darkest of darkest hours, he smilles.
had low honor at this part and it made me change the way I played after the low honor cutscene
My first time playing I had really low honor but second time around I have high honor it's hard to keep it all the way up bc ppl get mad at u for everything I got wanted for disturbing the peace and that was me getting off my horse near someone I don't even know what happened it just started showing up witnesses then showed wanted for disturbing the peace or how many times I've accidentally ran into someone with my horse or ran into their horse or some missions where they say try not to kill anyone then u try but end up shooting most sometimes I try my best just a hog tie them as I'm getting shot too I have like five guys shooting at me as I'm trying to hog tie one guy at a time lol.
Fun fact: Smoking was once considered healthy. Back then doctors were advised to smoke before and after treating people with tuberculosis.
Whenever i play as arthur, i help anyone I can and do high honor
For john? The opposite because i can always just pay off the bounties and get my honor up
Without a doubt the saddest scene in video-game history in quite sometime. This game pulled you in and you felt apart of it.
i finished my 2nd playthough, 1st time i didnt know i got the low honor ending until my friend told me about the deer in between chapters. I cried like a baby when i got the high honor ending
And the entire final act involved cold wet scenarios, which would only worsen tuberculosis.
Low honor makes you think about what you have done and I have the impression that it motivates you to do better around you, kinda cool too
I never thought about this but the probably programmed alot kf different scenarios eith the animal you see depending on ehixh way you walk from the doctors
Am I the only one who walked out of the office and went right to go up the street? I felt like the scenery was better that way lol
This scene right here hit me, how empty the “busy” street is and walking alone on the path for an elegant deer cross Arthur’s path and for him to stop and stare at the event unfolding, the deer then roamed away and when I turned around the busy people of Saint Denis once again flooded the streets as if they were never gone and I was washed away by the sea of pedestrian traffic. Was it a dream or a miracle I wondered? I’ll never forget that moment
i just finished this game yesterday, and wow
One of the few games i'd erase my memories for just to play it again for the first time
I actually had a lower honor and got the grey walk (and for most of the game I was neutral, but some situations kept coming up causing my honor to lower), I truly am happy that I was able to end the game in high Honor and get that visual with the deer as it made me feel as though I had done good.
Wish I could reset my memory and start playing rdr2 once again
The first time I played the game I got the low honor cutscene, and when I saw that wolf at the end of the road. I knew I had to change what I was doing and this was a sign that the game was telling me
I'm not crying, it's just dust in my eyes.
I was originally planing on playing as high honor first and then low honor but after my first play though I simply do not have the heart to play as low honor Arthur
I honestly love the representation of the deer and the wolf for the honor
This thumbnail is misleading. It implicates the cutscene is different.
Karen
Yes can u please call the manager
The fact that a stag comes out of nowhere and stares at Arthur for a while, then walks away in high honer
I had low honor when I played this scene my first playthrough and then I saw that wolf almost like death telling me that I’m running out of time and so I went on to be as good as possible until I got the high honor ending. I feel like that’s the best way to play it.
Same
For me this cutscene was the pivot point and make me whant to get higher honour, it was so important in the gameplay that I believe that I wouldn’t enjoy the final redemption as much
For me this scene hit extra hard because I had done the stranger encounter where you take the feller to get his leg sawn off, so my Arthur already had a relationship and a rapport with this Doctor before he came in. It wasn't just a random city Doctor at a walk in clinic telling him he's sick, it was a guy he trusted and already saw firsthand save somebody's life.
I had no problem handing him the cash, and took him at his word for everything.
There's no getting around the fact Arthur is sick, and in this era, he's gonna die.
Part of me hoped going in there was some super ultra secret ending where Arthur could retire and settle down with Sadie or Mary off someplace far away from the events of the first game.
But as soon as I heard those words "You've got tuberculosis."
I knew there was no getting out of this for him. There was no happy ending.
I was in so much denial in those bits.. he'll get through this but he never did.
RIP Arthur
“youll be-“ he was gonna say you’ll be dead within a couple of days
Doctor: do ya have any money?
Arthur: hands him like 300$ which in today’s money is like handing your doctor 12,000$ for w check up.
So, pretty accurate for American healthcare. American healthcare keeping up with the times /s
It said -$10.00 when he left, not 300.
This part the part where the horse dies or Arthur dying on the cliff looking at the sunset 😭😭😭 game is so emotional
I wish the low honor had the line Arthur says while on guarma “we’ve all just gone rotten”
“I’M LITERALLY COUGHING BLOOD, WHY R U STILL SMOKING IN FRONT OF ME”
I was low honor through n through. Maybe a few times I tried correcting Arthur's ways, but folk wouldn't stay out of the way. Its a hard ways to go walking the straight n narrow, and not everyone is up to it.
See I’ve never played the game but something that stresses me is it seems if you get in an unwanted confrontation, there’s no way to just end the fight without killing your opponent. Is there a way to diffuse fights in this game?? I’ve also noticed all you have to do is stand NEXT to someone for too long before they draw a gun you 😭
@@faefiercevulpine6990you can run away or defuse ig
If you guys playing this game for the first time, i suggest play as high honor for the story..second gameplay you can try play as low honor instead
"Fable 2" had a great system of good or bad honor where depending on it changed your appearance, bad honor gave you horns while good honor gave you a halo
It's the fact Rockstar planted this seed fairly early on in the story too that gets me, amazing really.
It’s not fairly early into the story, though? At least for Arthur’s story - it’s after Guarma, so chapter 5/6 (because you can do this mission before the chapter 6 titlecard displays and the gang moves, happened to me), but I do agree nonetheless. One of the most moving scenes in the game, and one of the most moving scenes in video game history, IMO.
@@spencerreidswife Oh sorry, I meant the moment in a mission (Sorry I can't remember the name of it) Where he gets coughed and spluttered on by the guy who has it too. I remember it being fairly early on but, At the time you think nothing of it.
@ben4190 Oh yeah, totally! Also, I think the mission you're talking about is Money Lending & Other Sins (I belive II or III?) where Thomas Downes spits on Arthur. Yeah, it's so early no one thought anything of it.
A couple of weeks ago i finished my second run of this game, i wanted to play a low honor run but i just simple couldn't, i'm not strong enough for that i guess lol