Funny enough, though it technically "skips" first cycle, you never actually LEAVE first cycle, so it's more like "beating the game first cycle" that said, it also means this is the only run that actually doesn't fail the happy mask salesman and gets his mask back within the first 72 hours
Stale Reference Manipulation? That's when you make a really outdated topical joke as part of a scheme to get someone to do what you want without them realizing, right? :)
I love this content so much. Seeing a channel that doesn't brush over stuff like SRM and ACE as complicated computer science wizardry is so nice. I'm a programmer, so I love seeing how memory manipulation works in these games. Please keep this up!
Not really. The commentators who lead the genre on speed runs and other gaming run historics really put everything into their videos. This guy is about a 3rd or 4th tier commentator.
I already knew about this skip from watching streamers, but the way you presented it and the easy explanation made this an engaging, fun video. Keep up the great work!
This made me nostalgic for watching those late night EnNopp streams chasing the 1:15. Probably still my favorite MM run. Watching an any% whittled down to it's limit is a particular kind of excitement, but I love a good any% that still takes you through a recognizable portion of the game.
Tragically I think in pursuit of speed, the community was burnt to a smolder. They got what they wanted, but at what cost? I think everyone knew it would come to the sorry state that Ocarina of Time was in, but hoped it would just be a bit longer yet. I'm with you 100%
I'm starting to learn that all these skips that speedrunners say are 'impossible' are just not fully looked into yet. Remember when Barrier skip in WW was deemed 'never going to happen' and then it did??
More of this please! This is absolutely fascinating, really like when the technical points of speeedruns are explained! Also completely blows my mind that people find this stuff out. I’m convinced a lot of speedrunners are game devs in disguise!
most likely that would involve a method of obtaining the paraglider early, as that is what unlocks the rest of the map (without it, a box right around the plateau makes you void out immediately)
I've just recently discovered your channel. Well written and researched, and you have a very likeable way of presenting your content. Consider myself subscribed. :)
@@fabuloussuperstar Then you would need to fix the time paradox of that Link being an old man in A Link Between Worlds. th-cam.com/video/H5xXntJwxbU/w-d-xo.html
majora's mask speedrunning history is absolutely fascinating. everytime a new roadblock was discovered, runners and glitch hunters brought a bigger hammer
I remember as a kid I got this weird glitch in Majora's Mask I could never recreate where my entire inventory was filled with the Ocarina of Time. This was right at the very beginning when Skull Kid stole my horse and I was chasing him as human Link. I got so freaked out thinking I broke the game that I turned it off on back on praying it would still work, now I kind of wish I could do that glitch again.
Dude tbh you earned my subscription because imo you explain everything at every point so excellently and objectively. I'll hang around to hear more of this haha fr awesome job man i loved this
Excellent video. I could never imagine being one of those interminable speedrun comment section bores who thinks breaking a game over your knee isn't the coolest shit ever.
Amazing video man, it is very well written and edited! It’s easy to follow the complex things explained here, you can be very proud of that. I’ll bet that people who never played Majora’s Mask can even follow everything presented this way, if they ever stumble across this video. Thank you very much for making this, you did awesome 👌🏻
I still don't even understand how people are able to find this out 😅 just listening to your explanation gives me an even stronger headache that i normally have anyway 😆 it's like listening to a mad scientist... it's absolutely fascinating but also scary at the same time^^
I'd think that one of the common ways that it ends up happening is that one of the thousands of people playing the game casually/competitively stumbles upon a glitch, after which one of the hundreds of people that are glitch-hunting take notice and say, "Oh, that's an interesting glitch. Let's pull on this thread in various ways and see if it unravels the tapestry." That's how it starts, at least. It ends with hundreds of dedicated glitch hunters all working on the same problem at the same time in a mostly decentralized fashion, figuring things out and building on top of each other's trial and error, until eventually everything slots into place.
I am so glad that subscribed to you a year ago. Though videos are few, when they do show up in my notifications out of nowehere, I know I made a good decision.
This is the closest we will ever get to actual dark magic. The amount of precision and obscure knowledge required to manipulate the game like this is frightening.
i wander if there would be a way to setup srm in the pre deku area? theres not much there in terms of actors so id imagine itd be pretty useless (i dont know much about heap manipulation). its interesting to think about tho, as then it might get closer to what oot is (95% cutcenes lul)
I don’t think there’s a way to cull an actor while link is holding it in the very beginning. There’s no way to superslide or do walking while talking glitch there
@@LunaticJ right obviously theres no current way to do it, if there was people would have done it. i mean something new. its not so much saying "this is a good idea" as saying "this would be interesting to play with". if i knew anything about srm i would 1. know that there was no other way to do it than known methods, or 2. just go play around with things. however since i dont i just sit here and type messages about what i would do were i less lazy. essentially im saying i know, thats what glitch hunting is. (not trying to be rude please dont take it that way. im just trying to get my point across) im like 3 years outdated and all i did before was rba and oot3d/mm3d any%
Wind Waker barrier skip, OoT Ganondorf skip, MM first cycle skip... The dedication and talent of the Zelda community never ceases to amaze me. Yall are goddamn incredible.
Is it just me, or is watching these people do their setups like Spongebob giving bubble blowing instructions "First you do this, then this, then whoooo, whoooo, stop on your right foot, don't forget it!"
The deku scrub form is not a curse it is a life force just like the other masks that skull kid stole from a scrub and turned link into that creature. You see the pour being at the beginning of the game. Truly a twisted occurrence.
Sorry if I’m naive, but how possible will that ACE credits warp in the observatory be with the first cycle skip? We don’t have the ocarina or the song of time, but is that srmable once the player transforms and grabs bombs? Or can the Fpr filename change and instead equip the ocarina and song of time instead of hookshot and fdm? MM tech gets way less coverage than oot tech and it feels funny to have to fight majora again after all this crazy first cycle skip research
When I clicked on this I thought it was a Karl Jobst video, but really this is very good. You explain everything as if the viewer knows little information on the game, the explanations and visuals are well made, all around a great video. You just earned my subscription :)
It's been a while since I played MM, but IIRC you start the game as human link, chasing skull kid in the Lost Woods, and in one of those rooms, there are bushes you can pick up. Are there no SRM setups there?
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Moonwarp is real? FIRST CYCLE SKIP IS REAL!?? Pinch me I think I'm dreaming...
Anyways I could use more twitter followers: twitter.com/LunaticJTV
The speedrunning community is crazy. I never thought we would get past fc lmaooo
@@paddy-daddy "it's not a matter of if, but when"
-someone
(something about lozmm confirmed?)
Funny enough, though it technically "skips" first cycle, you never actually LEAVE first cycle, so it's more like "beating the game first cycle" that said, it also means this is the only run that actually doesn't fail the happy mask salesman and gets his mask back within the first 72 hours
!!!!!!!
*Classic Nintendo NPC:* Perform this impossible task!
*The community:* Challenge accpeted
Call it "Strangle Skip" since now the man doesn't enact violence against a child
I like the name single cycle
12:54 / 16:31
Srm was so well explained I might not ask what it is again for a month
Stale Reference Manipulation? That's when you make a really outdated topical joke as part of a scheme to get someone to do what you want without them realizing, right?
:)
Mr. Genius over here!
@@idontwantahandlethough hah! Underrated joke
I can't even imagine how wide the grin on that person's face must have been when they found the most sought after glitch in MM history.
Literally days after ZFG said he would never do MM because of first cycle lol
I love this content so much. Seeing a channel that doesn't brush over stuff like SRM and ACE as complicated computer science wizardry is so nice. I'm a programmer, so I love seeing how memory manipulation works in these games. Please keep this up!
Agreed.
its only called that from people who dont care.
Omg I’m about to throw up from your comment.
@@magsec5 Wow, it's almost like no one asked you. Stop hating on people trying to be supportive of good content
@@braydenpeoples5809 ITS AVERAGE.
I'm so happy the current route involves ending the game by beating Majora, credit skips are so boring
Crazy, after all these years they finally found it… now we wait for someone to figure out Barrier Skip in Twilight Princess…
And Great Plateau skip in BOTW
Or DOT skip for... wait...
What are the skips for SM Galaxy and Sunshine remaining?
I still don't understand why LunaticJ isn't more popular, this is HIGH quality content
Give it time. With consistency he will continue to grow
Not really. The commentators who lead the genre on speed runs and other gaming run historics really put everything into their videos. This guy is about a 3rd or 4th tier commentator.
@GamerZone Speaking WOO HOO! I’M MEDIOCRE!!!!!
@GamerZone Speaking it’s just you
@GamerZone Speaking Bruh, it’s a year old. Calm down.
I already knew about this skip from watching streamers, but the way you presented it and the easy explanation made this an engaging, fun video. Keep up the great work!
This made me nostalgic for watching those late night EnNopp streams chasing the 1:15. Probably still my favorite MM run. Watching an any% whittled down to it's limit is a particular kind of excitement, but I love a good any% that still takes you through a recognizable portion of the game.
Tragically I think in pursuit of speed, the community was burnt to a smolder. They got what they wanted, but at what cost? I think everyone knew it would come to the sorry state that Ocarina of Time was in, but hoped it would just be a bit longer yet. I'm with you 100%
I'm starting to learn that all these skips that speedrunners say are 'impossible' are just not fully looked into yet. Remember when Barrier skip in WW was deemed 'never going to happen' and then it did??
I'm just waiting for the day when plateau skip in botw happens.
this 'impossible' stuff applies to modern science irl as well....
@@Eddie2P remember when it was impossible for a heavier-than-air object to fly?
@@renakunisaki birds?
Not real
Speed runners has taught me that, basically nearly anything is possible.
Starting in 2nd gear is still hasn't been found yet
@@jamesknapp64 lmao the hard wall of all "pro" players
@@jamesknapp64 and apparently TaS as well hahaha
And the elusive "billymitchellisstillacheatingcuntandwontbeknownasanythingelsefromnowon" glitch
4:06 Following the rhyming scheme, I thought you were gonna end that sentence with "First cycle skip seemed to be just imagination"
Good one!
More of this please! This is absolutely fascinating, really like when the technical points of speeedruns are explained!
Also completely blows my mind that people find this stuff out. I’m convinced a lot of speedrunners are game devs in disguise!
Everything was explained well, and it was all very interesting. Great job on your videos, you're one of the top speed running content guys out there.
Wow, this is so cool! You did a great job explaining how it works. =D
This is the first time I actually understood stale reference! Great simple explanation.
Like barrier skip, another glitch once thought impossible has come to pass
Idk why but this whole video is giving me deja vu, it feels like I’ve seen this video before
If you follow Lowest Percent. He did a similar video about SRM but it’s more about “moon warp”.
*saves to watch later*
Better watch it within the next 72 hours... or else...
@@LunaticJ 👀
@@prronce 👀
@@LunaticJ … 😟 Watching it now! :)
Literally me
ACE is what occultists are trying to achieve in real life with obscure rituals.
I always think we should take all these glitch hunters and have them work on physics, we'd have warp drive and wormholes by the end of the century.
we dont live in a video game lmao
But science at its core is really just a series of questions, and answers. So our out of the box thinkers would excel in these fields
Next "Barrier Skip" will be Great Plateau Skip, I believe
most likely that would involve a method of obtaining the paraglider early, as that is what unlocks the rest of the map (without it, a box right around the plateau makes you void out immediately)
love your videos! cant wait for your channel to make it big
Devs: Noooo you can't just spawn anything you want! YOU CAN'T JUST SKIP TO THE END!!!"
Speedrunners: "haha ACE heap manipulation go brrrr"
idk why but exclamation marks are just cringe most of the time lol
@@that_one_shiny_eevee so you just want everyone to pretend they're robots because you're *such* an intellectual 🙄
I've just recently discovered your channel. Well written and researched, and you have a very likeable way of presenting your content. Consider myself subscribed. :)
Now we just need to find a way to save Marin from being trapped as a seagull forever after 28 years.
Easy, just don't beat the Final Boss lol
@@fabuloussuperstar Then you would need to fix the time paradox of that Link being an old man in A Link Between Worlds.
th-cam.com/video/H5xXntJwxbU/w-d-xo.html
@@tattertot8259
Damn, I guess just don't sail in a stormy sea then, and just stay on Holodrum while you wait for the seas to calm. Easy fix 😎
@@fabuloussuperstar Hyrule Historia retconned that. The oracle Link is a different Link from the Link to the past Link now.
@@tattertot8259
You lost me there xd
majora's mask speedrunning history is absolutely fascinating. everytime a new roadblock was discovered, runners and glitch hunters brought a bigger hammer
"No matter how many skips were found, the speedrun still needed to beat all the bosses, until a skip was found"
Nice
I remember as a kid I got this weird glitch in Majora's Mask I could never recreate where my entire inventory was filled with the Ocarina of Time. This was right at the very beginning when Skull Kid stole my horse and I was chasing him as human Link.
I got so freaked out thinking I broke the game that I turned it off on back on praying it would still work, now I kind of wish I could do that glitch again.
Cartridge tilt. That’s what causes it
@@LunaticJ Oh.. well that's on task checked off my mental list of things I never solved. Thanks
Dude tbh you earned my subscription because imo you explain everything at every point so excellently and objectively. I'll hang around to hear more of this haha fr awesome job man i loved this
Excellent video. I could never imagine being one of those interminable speedrun comment section bores who thinks breaking a game over your knee isn't the coolest shit ever.
Great analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
I loved the little rhyme about deku link. Grade A stuff 😁
4:19
always remember guys
one day you will see this clip for the last time
Amazing video man, it is very well written and edited! It’s easy to follow the complex things explained here, you can be very proud of that.
I’ll bet that people who never played Majora’s Mask can even follow everything presented this way, if they ever stumble across this video.
Thank you very much for making this, you did awesome 👌🏻
So... What I learned from this is if you see a person do seemingly random things, watch out because he is about to ACE reality.
Rhyming? In a speedrun doc vid? Ah, I see you are a fan of Tomato culture as well!
I've been watching this speedrun for years, crazy to see this now.
Theres no way the barrier is finally broken, so soon after moon warp.... speedrunning is really flying off the handle
Turkenheimer: We did it guys! We found first cycle skip!
Any% runners: *freaking out*
All other runners: bruh
JakeZSR is such a chill streamer I’d recommend him to anyone
I still don't even understand how people are able to find this out 😅 just listening to your explanation gives me an even stronger headache that i normally have anyway 😆 it's like listening to a mad scientist... it's absolutely fascinating but also scary at the same time^^
I'm glad they're using their mad science powers for good, or at least for neutral, then
I'd think that one of the common ways that it ends up happening is that one of the thousands of people playing the game casually/competitively stumbles upon a glitch, after which one of the hundreds of people that are glitch-hunting take notice and say, "Oh, that's an interesting glitch. Let's pull on this thread in various ways and see if it unravels the tapestry."
That's how it starts, at least. It ends with hundreds of dedicated glitch hunters all working on the same problem at the same time in a mostly decentralized fashion, figuring things out and building on top of each other's trial and error, until eventually everything slots into place.
3:48 - liked the surprise rhime xd
I like the way you say the word "years". :)
I’m not a a speedrunner
I probably won’t do these glitches
But I do like to go fast, Ava the knowledge is cool
That is some great quality video
THEY FINALLY DID IT
RIP IN PEACE FIRST CYCLE YOU WILL NOT BE MISSED
Thank you mister lunatic j
Stale reference? I feel like there's a Family Guy joke in there somewhere lol
I am so glad that subscribed to you a year ago. Though videos are few, when they do show up in my notifications out of nowehere, I know I made a good decision.
Okay, I'll give it up. That rhyming bit was really good.
first time viewer here, didn't expect the rhymes lmao, subbed
pulled out the sickest bars imagineable somewhere at the 3:50 mark, amazing
All these crazy glitches prove playground rumors honestly had the right idea lmfao
only took the discovery of a glitch that lets you do literally anything
Wasn't expecting an impromptu poetry slam a few minutes in
I would have a for fun ACE All Masks category extension but i'm not a mod of MM speedruns.
This is the closest we will ever get to actual dark magic. The amount of precision and obscure knowledge required to manipulate the game like this is frightening.
Radio: am I a joke to you?
When the narration just started rhyming I felt like I was going insane
i wander if there would be a way to setup srm in the pre deku area? theres not much there in terms of actors so id imagine itd be pretty useless (i dont know much about heap manipulation). its interesting to think about tho, as then it might get closer to what oot is (95% cutcenes lul)
I don’t think there’s a way to cull an actor while link is holding it in the very beginning. There’s no way to superslide or do walking while talking glitch there
@@LunaticJ right obviously theres no current way to do it, if there was people would have done it. i mean something new. its not so much saying "this is a good idea" as saying "this would be interesting to play with". if i knew anything about srm i would 1. know that there was no other way to do it than known methods, or 2. just go play around with things. however since i dont i just sit here and type messages about what i would do were i less lazy. essentially im saying i know, thats what glitch hunting is. (not trying to be rude please dont take it that way. im just trying to get my point across) im like 3 years outdated and all i did before was rba and oot3d/mm3d any%
Wind Waker barrier skip, OoT Ganondorf skip, MM first cycle skip... The dedication and talent of the Zelda community never ceases to amaze me. Yall are goddamn incredible.
Well and easy to understand explained :)
That rhyming deserves a like
That pun at the end made me realize the moon really *IS* made of cheese
Came for the skip, stayed for the poetry.
When someone asks, “Why do you care so much about speedrunning?”
Bruh, the POETRY.
Is it just me, or is watching these people do their setups like Spongebob giving bubble blowing instructions
"First you do this, then this, then whoooo, whoooo, stop on your right foot, don't forget it!"
The deku scrub form is not a curse it is a life force just like the other masks that skull kid stole from a scrub and turned link into that creature. You see the pour being at the beginning of the game. Truly a twisted occurrence.
Great video with simple explinations
3:43 BARS my man lmao
21 years wow!!!!
I have a hard time believing that any speedrunner legitimately believes that the 3d zelda games can't be broken any further.
...my brain hurts, but i am pleased.
1 of 5 watches before I know what just happened. Blissfully confused.
Seeing Deku Link get yeeted in the apocalypse is still funny
Ladies and gentlemen.
We got em.
"the vertically challenged deku link"
Lmao
I hadn't heard of this,I feel late, although I'm more into mm3d speedrunning
With the way link is abusing these actors, they should form a union!
Amazing video 😺
Liked for the rhymes :)
This works because Fpr stands for Function Pointer.
If the guys, who figure this stuff out would work for NASA, we probably would've conquered the galaxy right now...
mr cheeze description: hey.
jake's description: hi.
they were destined to do this together
3:47 my man put out a diss track on Deku Link
Sorry if I’m naive, but how possible will that ACE credits warp in the observatory be with the first cycle skip? We don’t have the ocarina or the song of time, but is that srmable once the player transforms and grabs bombs? Or can the Fpr filename change and instead equip the ocarina and song of time instead of hookshot and fdm? MM tech gets way less coverage than oot tech and it feels funny to have to fight majora again after all this crazy first cycle skip research
Skipping first cycle has barrier skip vibes 👌👌👌👏👏👏
When I clicked on this I thought it was a Karl Jobst video, but really this is very good. You explain everything as if the viewer knows little information on the game, the explanations and visuals are well made, all around a great video. You just earned my subscription :)
bro u didn’t have to bully my man Deku Link so hard
There's something ironic in how Fierce Deity's Mask corresponds to a capital F.
F is hookshot, FD is r.
Legend of Zelda scientists did it again
This was the best explanation of SRM I've ever heard. Thank you
It's been a while since I played MM, but IIRC you start the game as human link, chasing skull kid in the Lost Woods, and in one of those rooms, there are bushes you can pick up. Are there no SRM setups there?
You have no items that allow you to cull the bush while still holding onto it (no bombs, no enemies)
Those rhymes were fire
Great video 👌👌
Before I get too ahead of myself... let's hear a word from our sponsors! (that's where I thought it was headed)
At this point we're gonna be able to play Minecraft's most recent update in MM 🤣
It's happened? It's really happened?! Huzzah!!!
I’m wondering if maybe something can be done before you even get deku scrubbed. Could be a path to seek?