The reason why Sonic games are bad isn't because "Sonic Team doesn't get it". It's because the influence SEGA has on the hiring process. "Everyone at Sonic Team sounds like they just got there." Yes Pat, and they're about to leave in about a Year when the game is done.
Woolie: look over there Pat there's a new virtua fighter and beyond there is MVC2 HD remaster for every platform. Pat: with all the grapplers too? Woolie tearfully loading a revolver: yup with all your favorite grapplers.
The algorithm sent me here today for some reason and I can't believe we are actually getting the MVC collection soon. Times be crazy. Edit: Oh yeah, the SvC Chaos thing too
The bit about layoffs turning coworkers into competition is... so incredibly common to every place that ever gets layoffs. If you read any story about waves of layoffs going through a company, you will hear this almost verbati..
Literally watched I documentary about a Canada company go from the top to bankrupt due to employees getting alot more secretive about ways to do work better in order to not get layed off.
@@alphax-shroom6781 Yeah. ...Also if you're not already watching Dorktown you should watch Dorktown because Bobby is pretty consciously ripping off Dorktown's presentation.
It’s a funny thing how just a few years ago, devs were talking unions and labor reform; now the industry’s reshaped itself to being a few steps away from putting two people in a cage with a single dull knife to determine who gets to keep their job.
I like to think that somewhere at Respawn there exists an internal test version of Apex that still has the titans in it, and its that version that all these titanfall 3 rumors stem from, because an exec will look at it and say "Titanfall? What's that? lets sell this so we can make Apex money but again." with no idea what Titanfall even is
Not really sure why Sonic games are either the extreme of "highly polished but undercooked and played very safe" (Forces, Lost World) or "fun and interesting but very jank or buggy" (06, Frontiers, the Adventure games). And this is coming from someone who roots for Sonic fans. You don't get something that fills both spots outside of Generations and maybe Unleashed. Sega likely noticed that since they're re-releasing Generations and adding more content to it, which is a smart idea in my opinion.
@leithaziz2716 The answer to that question is "Rushed Development." The Golden Bolt channel has a couple of good vids, that cover the circumstances the Adventure games in particular were made in
@@cyberninjazero5659 Yeah, but didn't Sonic Team get 5 years for Frontiers? And they apparently restarted development around a year before release. Something similar went on with Halo Infinite.
The make or break thing for Sonic feels like one of those weird dev quotes that you hear and just don't/can't believe on it's face. Like Iga saying "I can't think of anything to do with Castlevania and the Wiimote", Capcom calling EX Troopers localization proof, and etc. I doubt Sonic could go anywhere without an absolutely massive failure of AAAA proportions. Sonic is a franchise that endured 06 and I am sure helps bank other franchises with it's relative success to cost/shorter development schedules. Just so bizarre to hear. Pat's comment about the quicksand is one of my favorite bits this episode. As for the HD2 scammers. Those traitors to Super Earth were not doing their part!
EX Troopers was definitely an extreme ask for translation. It was a middling sales game. The text was drawn as individual letters to create the living manga panels effect. It would have been a nightmare to work with for little reward.
@@cytokindness Oh, I completely understand that. It is the statement it is localization proof that is so disingenuous lol. If they said, they don't think it would make the money back from localization, fixing assets, etc (which I sadly agree it wouldn't have, even the main LP games struggled here), then at least it would be honest. There was no reason to make a bizarre claim it *couldn't* be localized.
SEGA has treated Sonic like shit for a long time so is it really that surprising? I'm sure he'd still continue to exist as a mascot and media character and the movies and tv shows would keep getting made, but is it really so hard to believe that the game development end was at one point in hot water?
@@VelvetAura I get where you are coming from. I'll give you, as far as internal development *maybe* they would cut the cord, but they would likely just go back to outsourcing like with Boom and Mania and stuff. I don't think the games would stop completely.
With Pat saying it feels like people at Sonic Team just got there, didn't it come out some years ago that Sega in all their infinite wisdom uses Sonic Team as a testing ground for their fresh-faced developers? Sega as a company is certainly no stranger to jamming a stick into the spokes of their biggest IPs
yeah while he was saying that all could think was that it isn't sonic teams fault. the team was historically treated as a joke and sega never gave them the budget/resources necessary to do anything other than mediocrity. sonic forces and lost world were made with dev teams of about 5 people with only one sonic "vet" that had only worked on colors before. when they say "make or break" what they meant was "we need to force sega to let us make a good game just so it can be successful and have them take us seriously again. other wise there's no hope"
Also I like how Pat says "They are all adults here! Why are they fucking up so bad?!" with the Sonic Team as if that means anything when we have been seeing just how unreliably adults can be, how incompetant devs can be or how you can be forced to do shit work by just one dude saying do things his way and you have to listen to him because he is your boss and will fire you or make you want to quit with ease. Nevermind work culture in Japan is completely different from the West.
"They are all adults here! Why are they fucking up so bad?!" - Truly the words of a man who hasn't had a normie job with coworkers/managers in decades.
It's like finding out Sonic Forces levels were designed by people who had little to no experience designing Sonic levels. Why... Why's it got to be like that?
Because they are cheap and they forced the other devs to leave because how Japan lays people off is different from the Western concept. They just let them quit on their own by having shitty working conditions, make the ones who act up do no work but need to come into work and sit at their desk or they just do it cause social engineering of culture.
@@luan.galaxyI can’t spend 15 minutes on TH-cam without seeing footage from 10 new Sonic fan games. It should be comically easy to source Sonic developers. Sonic Mania was already a proof of concept
My only memory of sonic heroes is my shit bag friend thinking he was so funny starting the game just to immediately go back to the menu over and over again. I'm convinced making someone hear "sonic herooooooes" on loop indefinitely is one the ways they torture prisoners at guantanamo bay
pat back at it again thinking that everyone shares his preferences for games "if i don't like something no one does and if they say they do that means they are either 1 lying or 2 a bad person"
The scam here isn't usually that they can put a game on sale that pretends to be another game. It's that they can generate Steam keys that say they're for "Helldivers 2" and then give them to a gray market reseller.
Correct, because key reseller sites don't care, this method when you're redeeming it, it doesn't revert back to the renamed nothing-game when the scam is discovered. The keys are actually still 'valid'. Their goal is to generate keys with the popular game label attached to them, not sell the fake game. So when people who buy steam keys of these fake games from these scammers (which also artificially bump up their own sales so their reviews on the reseller sites are solid) and report it, the reseller site can say the keys are valid, because they show up as the fake named game according to the official steam redeem function. The reseller sites don't give a damn lol They take a percentage regardless, and over the past few years have been demanding personal info like pictures of ID's to """verify""" the person on the other end is real. Kinguin specifically, which is based in Hong Kong, and has absolutely no right to personal national ID's. Don't buy from ANY these sites, no matter how cheap the game keys are-- the money doesn't go to the developers of the games and like this can be fucking FAKE, and they know they can not be punished because they don't live in places that follow rules elsewhere.
I cant really say iteration wasnt allowed on 3d sonic wasnt a thing, sonic had 4 boost games. The real problem was this constant desire to appeal to critics who really just were not trying to give the series a fair shake ( also development cycles, lol). They stopped putting in playable characters that people liked, they started making the stories simpler, they kept watering down the design to make them easier and easier each time. The series by the time forces dropped was this distilled room temperature water and people were sick of it. Frontiers was such a success because thats when they said fuck the critics and made the game theyve been wanting to make for damn near a decade
I disagree with this analysis as I feel like theres way more to it than "listening to critics" as even if that was the reasoning, most game devs would fall back to their successes after a failure and we'd be playing Generations 2 or Colors 2, or Adventure 3 or even (as much as I hate to admit it) Unleashed 2 instead of Lost World, Forces and two different versions of Sonic Boom. lol And even now it feels like instead of falling back on what they'd found to work, they made yet another gamble on making it "BOTW-like", this one just ended up working (for various reasons).
@@cyberninjazero5659 Ah yeah. I got my hopes up for that but they're just doing a rerelease with some additional content. Welcomed of course but a bit disappointing.
When you show pictures or videos, can you give a little annotation link so we can be in on the loop? Or pull an oneyplays and cut to it super quick, that’d be dope.
13:12 This is a similar problem that is starting to happen with big Hollywood studios. Finished movies are being put away forever, never to see the light of day, and used as a tax write-off.
To be fair the devs at Sonic team have mentioned before that the heads at SEGA don’t give them the time they need and throw random people at the Sonic games without them even asking to be moved
18:30 the going theory to this scam is that it's targeting people who use steam key reseller sites where the renamed games will show up as Helldivers 2 and the scammers don't get hit by the refund requests
17:28 I feel that. It's like the gap was filled with propaganda or that Spongebob "It's Not My Wallet" meme with Man Ray trying to explain something to Patrick elemayo.
2:49 I know based on previous videos that Pat has some "takes" on Sonic that differ from my own, but this is 100% correct. "Hey this Sonic Adventure formula is pretty g- what's that? 06 flopped? Fuck it start over. "Ok, 5 years later we finally got something with this boost formul-" "Fuck it, we're doing parkour now." "What?" "People hated, go back to the boost formula." "They hated it, turns out spending 3 out of the 4 years of development solely on the engine wasn't a good idea" "Fuck it, we're going open world." "I'm tired."
I don't care for Jontron anymore, but what was once my favorite video was his "Review" of Sonic R, with a coked up rendition of how Sonic Team makes videogames.
Sonic Heroes was a kids game, and like all kids games it was cheap and low quality because everyone thinks that kids are too stupid to know what quality is. But it had some things going for it. Not much but it does.
Sonic Team has historically just kinda been fucked over by sega several times and has always gotten really tight budgets and short turn around cycles. That and theres always a lot of corporate and board fuckery which is how you end up with a handful of good games and then the formula being fucked with heavily. They really did have to fight for Frontiers to actually get full dev time to actually make a game they wanted to make with Sonic, and it turned out pretty good!
I used to want to be a game developer for most of my young life. After reaching adulthood and keeping track of it, it is a genuinely nightmarish job. Overworked, underpaid, and could lose your job even if the game succeeds. Only way to live the dream is to work for an indie dev team... in Europe. Good luck buying that plane ticket.
I remember playing Sonic Colors in - checks notes - 2010 and thinking that SEGA had finally fixed 3D Sonic, only for them to basically scrap that format after Sonic Generations. Beyond Good and Evil 2 is the game I don’t believe is real. That’s been in development longer than Duke Nukem Forever at this point.
So lets ignore that all those Japanese companies aren't doing those things cause of unions since they had those layoffs before all of this by making the employee quit by just not giving them work but forcing them to sit at their desk doing nothing till they leave on their own. What it is was "Hey, how many suicides did we have this week Sasuke-san?" "Only 2." and people just... Not wanting to do that more. We really going to pretend Japan that is only recently getting involved with the concept of normal work hours, giving terms like Black Companies, making holidays called Premium Friday every month to keep people from commiting suicide and facilitate economic growth as a response to a lady dying cause she stayed at work for 3 days straight do to cultural pressure and raising to be a good worker, don't talk back and the like?
It really is mystifying how sonic team utterly refuses any kind of consistency or setup. Sonics just whatever they feel like making that day, even down to the story. Is he in the human world? Is it mobius animal land? Whatever, just keep it in the back pocket until they feel like using it and then never again. So frustrating lol
I'm surprised patt didn't mention dead island 2 for never coming out you think maybe this is just like those mafia grifts were they have construction jobs that never go anywhere, but they still keep people on the payroll?
Sonic: *Mentioned* Pat: *Incoherent Rant* Welcome to CSB, everyone, where Pat is consistently wrong, and sometimes Woolie joins him. Like on the subject of Unions! I hope Meth Head Mike is enjoying his seniority bonuses! All the actually good employees have moved on to non-unionized labor so they can get promoted on Merit.
I work for the US postal service and unironically people keep getting caught having sex on the premises on the clock and can't get fired, because union fights tooth and nail to save them Meanwhile my friend is in a gray area where management can give him the most fuck ass hours and switching locations daily and the union won't help him
"Why would someone do that? *I* don't like Sonic Heroes." Boy, if that isn't distilled Pat energy, I don't know what is.
Very on point.
"I mean, I hate Sonic too." - 20 year Sonic fan.
I don’t get why people like Pat, he’s always been such an egotistical asshole.
Would you be surprised I called it the moment Woolie started talking?
Sonic doesn’t even like sonic sometimes
The reason why Sonic games are bad isn't because "Sonic Team doesn't get it".
It's because the influence SEGA has on the hiring process.
"Everyone at Sonic Team sounds like they just got there."
Yes Pat, and they're about to leave in about a Year when the game is done.
I like how they talk about games pretending to be Helldivers 2 in a video that pretends to be about Helldivers 2 when it's actually about Sonic.
Podcast clip not selling? Rename it Helldivers 2™
Woolie: look over there Pat there's a new virtua fighter and beyond there is MVC2 HD remaster for every platform.
Pat: with all the grapplers too?
Woolie tearfully loading a revolver: yup with all your favorite grapplers.
"With tank controls."
The algorithm sent me here today for some reason and I can't believe we are actually getting the MVC collection soon. Times be crazy.
Edit: Oh yeah, the SvC Chaos thing too
mentions Sonic Heroes
And 1. 2. 3.
Pat "But I dont like Sonic Heroes"
There it is! 👏👏👏
Woolie putting down Pat like Old Yeller was the funniest part of this entire episode.
The bit about layoffs turning coworkers into competition is... so incredibly common to every place that ever gets layoffs. If you read any story about waves of layoffs going through a company, you will hear this almost verbati..
Literally watched I documentary about a Canada company go from the top to bankrupt due to employees getting alot more secretive about ways to do work better in order to not get layed off.
@@alphax-shroom6781 ...Wait did you also watch that video about Nortel?
@@THB192 yoooo you too!? Yeah it was the Bobby one
@@alphax-shroom6781 Yeah.
...Also if you're not already watching Dorktown you should watch Dorktown because Bobby is pretty consciously ripping off Dorktown's presentation.
now kiss.
Pat I disagree, Sonic Team's Biggest Mistake is that they never made Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg 2
Burning Rangers moment
@@Vanity0666see now THAT’S what I want
@@Vanity0666 BURRRRRRRRRRNING RANGERS.
TO THE BRAND NEW SKY WE DIVE.
CooCadoodle doo moment
It’s a funny thing how just a few years ago, devs were talking unions and labor reform; now the industry’s reshaped itself to being a few steps away from putting two people in a cage with a single dull knife to determine who gets to keep their job.
They always say that and we just get closer to blood sports because people didn't want to actually kill the investors but rather each other.
17:50 - "Face-first into it and you STILL missed the fuckin' point."
fitting that a video talking about people trying to trick people into thinking their thing is helldivers 2, is 80% not talking about helldivers 2
7:49
"The only game I've ever believed will come out less than this KOTOR remake is--"
I swear I thought he was gonna say Beyond Good and Evil 2.
Helldivers 2 'Seems Legit' versions, off store shelves now!
I like to think that somewhere at Respawn there exists an internal test version of Apex that still has the titans in it, and its that version that all these titanfall 3 rumors stem from, because an exec will look at it and say "Titanfall? What's that? lets sell this so we can make Apex money but again." with no idea what Titanfall even is
100%
1:50 tbf a Sonic game being held by ducktape and string seems pretty on brand
I just want them to use Smash and (basically) the Sonic that already exists in Smash to make a Sonic game.
Not really sure why Sonic games are either the extreme of "highly polished but undercooked and played very safe" (Forces, Lost World) or "fun and interesting but very jank or buggy" (06, Frontiers, the Adventure games). And this is coming from someone who roots for Sonic fans.
You don't get something that fills both spots outside of Generations and maybe Unleashed. Sega likely noticed that since they're re-releasing Generations and adding more content to it, which is a smart idea in my opinion.
@leithaziz2716 The answer to that question is "Rushed Development." The Golden Bolt channel has a couple of good vids, that cover the circumstances the Adventure games in particular were made in
@@cyberninjazero5659 Yeah, but didn't Sonic Team get 5 years for Frontiers? And they apparently restarted development around a year before release. Something similar went on with Halo Infinite.
The only good thing about Sonic is the music, sometimes
Finally Toys For Bob’s Blinx the time sweeper remake is upon us
Helldivers talk @18:10
Ty!
The make or break thing for Sonic feels like one of those weird dev quotes that you hear and just don't/can't believe on it's face. Like Iga saying "I can't think of anything to do with Castlevania and the Wiimote", Capcom calling EX Troopers localization proof, and etc. I doubt Sonic could go anywhere without an absolutely massive failure of AAAA proportions. Sonic is a franchise that endured 06 and I am sure helps bank other franchises with it's relative success to cost/shorter development schedules. Just so bizarre to hear.
Pat's comment about the quicksand is one of my favorite bits this episode. As for the HD2 scammers. Those traitors to Super Earth were not doing their part!
EX Troopers was definitely an extreme ask for translation. It was a middling sales game. The text was drawn as individual letters to create the living manga panels effect. It would have been a nightmare to work with for little reward.
@@cytokindness Oh, I completely understand that. It is the statement it is localization proof that is so disingenuous lol. If they said, they don't think it would make the money back from localization, fixing assets, etc (which I sadly agree it wouldn't have, even the main LP games struggled here), then at least it would be honest. There was no reason to make a bizarre claim it *couldn't* be localized.
SEGA has treated Sonic like shit for a long time so is it really that surprising? I'm sure he'd still continue to exist as a mascot and media character and the movies and tv shows would keep getting made, but is it really so hard to believe that the game development end was at one point in hot water?
i absolutely believe that frontiers was sonic team's last chance, i've been saying it was a fire emblem awakening situation since it came out
@@VelvetAura I get where you are coming from. I'll give you, as far as internal development *maybe* they would cut the cord, but they would likely just go back to outsourcing like with Boom and Mania and stuff. I don't think the games would stop completely.
Look at the flowers pat
17 minutes in and Helldivers 2 has not been mentioned
Thanks, ten minutes in and I thought I was going insane
wait is that the joke
18 minute mark.
With Pat saying it feels like people at Sonic Team just got there, didn't it come out some years ago that Sega in all their infinite wisdom uses Sonic Team as a testing ground for their fresh-faced developers? Sega as a company is certainly no stranger to jamming a stick into the spokes of their biggest IPs
yeah while he was saying that all could think was that it isn't sonic teams fault. the team was historically treated as a joke and sega never gave them the budget/resources necessary to do anything other than mediocrity. sonic forces and lost world were made with dev teams of about 5 people with only one sonic "vet" that had only worked on colors before. when they say "make or break" what they meant was "we need to force sega to let us make a good game just so it can be successful and have them take us seriously again. other wise there's no hope"
Also I like how Pat says "They are all adults here! Why are they fucking up so bad?!" with the Sonic Team as if that means anything when we have been seeing just how unreliably adults can be, how incompetant devs can be or how you can be forced to do shit work by just one dude saying do things his way and you have to listen to him because he is your boss and will fire you or make you want to quit with ease.
Nevermind work culture in Japan is completely different from the West.
"They are all adults here! Why are they fucking up so bad?!" - Truly the words of a man who hasn't had a normie job with coworkers/managers in decades.
@@ThisNameIsNotTaken99 no grown adult worth their salt uses the word "normie"
@@miguelnewmexico8641
Says the guy who keeps thinking cope isn't a word.
Cope.
@@ThisNameIsNotTaken99
More like doesn't want to admit people in general are stupid.
It's like finding out Sonic Forces levels were designed by people who had little to no experience designing Sonic levels.
Why... Why's it got to be like that?
They couldnt find anyone who's ever made sonic levels obviously. Why would you expect Sonic Team to have access to such people?
Because they are cheap and they forced the other devs to leave because how Japan lays people off is different from the Western concept. They just let them quit on their own by having shitty working conditions, make the ones who act up do no work but need to come into work and sit at their desk or they just do it cause social engineering of culture.
@@EbonMaster I mean, The Electric Jester devs must be open to negotiation or something
@@luan.galaxyI can’t spend 15 minutes on TH-cam without seeing footage from 10 new Sonic fan games. It should be comically easy to source Sonic developers. Sonic Mania was already a proof of concept
My only memory of sonic heroes is my shit bag friend thinking he was so funny starting the game just to immediately go back to the menu over and over again. I'm convinced making someone hear "sonic herooooooes" on loop indefinitely is one the ways they torture prisoners at guantanamo bay
I'm in my 30s and I still listen to that song when I drive or workout. It's so cringe but it has that undefeatable optimistic teenage energy.
@@m.czandogg9576 The main theme and Team Sonic's theme both occupy that niche and that cheese is delicious.
pat back at it again thinking that everyone shares his preferences for games "if i don't like something no one does and if they say they do that means they are either 1 lying or 2 a bad person"
Ah. I always called that the Egoraptor Defense.
What a bunch of heroes
They were fast though, maybe we should add a descriptor to them...
do you feel like a hero yet?
The scam here isn't usually that they can put a game on sale that pretends to be another game. It's that they can generate Steam keys that say they're for "Helldivers 2" and then give them to a gray market reseller.
Correct, because key reseller sites don't care, this method when you're redeeming it, it doesn't revert back to the renamed nothing-game when the scam is discovered. The keys are actually still 'valid'.
Their goal is to generate keys with the popular game label attached to them, not sell the fake game.
So when people who buy steam keys of these fake games from these scammers (which also artificially bump up their own sales so their reviews on the reseller sites are solid) and report it, the reseller site can say the keys are valid, because they show up as the fake named game according to the official steam redeem function.
The reseller sites don't give a damn lol They take a percentage regardless, and over the past few years have been demanding personal info like pictures of ID's to """verify""" the person on the other end is real. Kinguin specifically, which is based in Hong Kong, and has absolutely no right to personal national ID's. Don't buy from ANY these sites, no matter how cheap the game keys are-- the money doesn't go to the developers of the games and like this can be fucking FAKE, and they know they can not be punished because they don't live in places that follow rules elsewhere.
I cant really say iteration wasnt allowed on 3d sonic wasnt a thing, sonic had 4 boost games. The real problem was this constant desire to appeal to critics who really just were not trying to give the series a fair shake ( also development cycles, lol). They stopped putting in playable characters that people liked, they started making the stories simpler, they kept watering down the design to make them easier and easier each time. The series by the time forces dropped was this distilled room temperature water and people were sick of it. Frontiers was such a success because thats when they said fuck the critics and made the game theyve been wanting to make for damn near a decade
I disagree with this analysis as I feel like theres way more to it than "listening to critics" as even if that was the reasoning, most game devs would fall back to their successes after a failure and we'd be playing Generations 2 or Colors 2, or Adventure 3 or even (as much as I hate to admit it) Unleashed 2 instead of Lost World, Forces and two different versions of Sonic Boom. lol
And even now it feels like instead of falling back on what they'd found to work, they made yet another gamble on making it "BOTW-like", this one just ended up working (for various reasons).
@@EbonMasterI mean, we are getting Generations 2, but I get your point
@@cyberninjazero5659 Is it Generations 2 or are you talking about the re-release with the additional Shadow levels?
@EbonMaster Yeah, that, I don't know anything about it, I just saw "Generations x Shadow" and assumed they were doing an SA2 thing
@@cyberninjazero5659 Ah yeah. I got my hopes up for that but they're just doing a rerelease with some additional content. Welcomed of course but a bit disappointing.
Toys For Bob did Crash 4 and the Spyro trilogy. N-Sane was actually handled by Vicarious.
Respawn will make games take place in the Titanfall universe but WILL NOT make another Titanfall game
Why is this called Helldivers 2 and not "Put Estrogen In The Game Dev Water"
Gotta get the clicks
Woolie the liar put estrogen in the game dev water to steal their -pie- wives
When you show pictures or videos, can you give a little annotation link so we can be in on the loop? Or pull an oneyplays and cut to it super quick, that’d be dope.
13:12 This is a similar problem that is starting to happen with big Hollywood studios. Finished movies are being put away forever, never to see the light of day, and used as a tax write-off.
I can't wait for dropoff to port a fromsoft map into bombrush and dissappear for a couple of months.
is there a link to the clip they're talking about around 1:30 ?
pat is such a classic sonic puritan
To be fair the devs at Sonic team have mentioned before that the heads at SEGA don’t give them the time they need and throw random people at the Sonic games without them even asking to be moved
I think we’ve all been lead out to the trees like that a few times now
18:30 the going theory to this scam is that it's targeting people who use steam key reseller sites where the renamed games will show up as Helldivers 2 and the scammers don't get hit by the refund requests
I can't believe Woolie said Devilartemis never thought id hear that name on this podcast
Woolie: Have they been behind all the crash n spyro stuff this whole time?
Me: No
Pat: I believe so yes
17:28 I feel that. It's like the gap was filled with propaganda or that Spongebob "It's Not My Wallet" meme with Man Ray trying to explain something to Patrick elemayo.
2:49 I know based on previous videos that Pat has some "takes" on Sonic that differ from my own, but this is 100% correct.
"Hey this Sonic Adventure formula is pretty g- what's that? 06 flopped? Fuck it start over.
"Ok, 5 years later we finally got something with this boost formul-"
"Fuck it, we're doing parkour now."
"What?"
"People hated, go back to the boost formula."
"They hated it, turns out spending 3 out of the 4 years of development solely on the engine wasn't a good idea"
"Fuck it, we're going open world."
"I'm tired."
I don't care for Jontron anymore, but what was once my favorite video was his "Review" of Sonic R, with a coked up rendition of how Sonic Team makes videogames.
Scam or Scam: Game Dev Edition
Sonic Heroes was a kids game, and like all kids games it was cheap and low quality because everyone thinks that kids are too stupid to know what quality is.
But it had some things going for it. Not much but it does.
kids *are* too stupid to know what quality is. granted we shouldn't be feeding them shit just because we can, but we can.
Idk anything to do with darkstalkers is the most not going to happen game ever
I wish I had Bruce Wayne's money to pull all who have been laid off into a new company for them.
If Bruce is merciful enough to give reformed criminals a job at his firm, I'm sure he'd lend a hand to unemployed folks.
ok. and what would that new company do?
The latest battle Royale is now in your local dev studio
Sonic Team has historically just kinda been fucked over by sega several times and has always gotten really tight budgets and short turn around cycles. That and theres always a lot of corporate and board fuckery which is how you end up with a handful of good games and then the formula being fucked with heavily. They really did have to fight for Frontiers to actually get full dev time to actually make a game they wanted to make with Sonic, and it turned out pretty good!
I used to want to be a game developer for most of my young life. After reaching adulthood and keeping track of it, it is a genuinely nightmarish job. Overworked, underpaid, and could lose your job even if the game succeeds. Only way to live the dream is to work for an indie dev team... in Europe. Good luck buying that plane ticket.
I remember playing Sonic Colors in - checks notes - 2010 and thinking that SEGA had finally fixed 3D Sonic, only for them to basically scrap that format after Sonic Generations.
Beyond Good and Evil 2 is the game I don’t believe is real. That’s been in development longer than Duke Nukem Forever at this point.
Show us the clip
So it looks like my dream of Toys for Bob making a Sly Cooper remake just isn’t happening then… 😢
Beyond Good & Evil 2
the helldivers 2 spoof thing was all about key reselling, not tricking people on steam itself. it was for scamming people on G2A and such.
I love Sonic Heroes so I might try the mod
Why is Pat's room so barren?
That's pats streaming house across the yard from his house house.
Oh shit, I haven't watched in a couple years. Has woolie lost weight? Looking solid my guy
My mom just called me to let me know that Titanfall 3 has in fact finished buying cigarettes and is on the way home RIGHT NOW!!!
So lets ignore that all those Japanese companies aren't doing those things cause of unions since they had those layoffs before all of this by making the employee quit by just not giving them work but forcing them to sit at their desk doing nothing till they leave on their own.
What it is was "Hey, how many suicides did we have this week Sasuke-san?" "Only 2." and people just... Not wanting to do that more.
We really going to pretend Japan that is only recently getting involved with the concept of normal work hours, giving terms like Black Companies, making holidays called Premium Friday every month to keep people from commiting suicide and facilitate economic growth as a response to a lady dying cause she stayed at work for 3 days straight do to cultural pressure and raising to be a good worker, don't talk back and the like?
don't pretend like oyu're not constantly going off about how Japan good, west bad.
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Cope.
theres a sonic riders one too
Okay someone link me the estrogen story
No link but Google "Llorona estrogen pre-workout"will get you some articles
I'm replying because I also want to know and searching is useless
It really is mystifying how sonic team utterly refuses any kind of consistency or setup. Sonics just whatever they feel like making that day, even down to the story. Is he in the human world? Is it mobius animal land? Whatever, just keep it in the back pocket until they feel like using it and then never again.
So frustrating lol
I'm surprised patt didn't mention dead island 2 for never coming out
you think maybe this is just like those mafia grifts were they have construction jobs that never go anywhere, but they still keep people on the payroll?
I sincerely thought that came out like 2 years ago and just faded into nothingness immediately, until I read this
dead island 2 100% came out.
video URL includes RRR 🤩
rise roar revonic heroes
big "tell me 'bout the rabbits, george" energy
anybody else confused why this is supposed to be about HD2?
This has been 16 minutes of just showing the inhuman lengths capitalism will go to
it's referring to the last story at 18:30 about devs on steam renaming their shovelware to Helldivers 2
12:44 apex 2 Huh?
DevilArtemis getting a shoutout!!
I'd prefer to see them try a new ip, they could probably make anything else better
Sonic: *Mentioned*
Pat: *Incoherent Rant*
Welcome to CSB, everyone, where Pat is consistently wrong, and sometimes Woolie joins him.
Like on the subject of Unions! I hope Meth Head Mike is enjoying his seniority bonuses! All the actually good employees have moved on to non-unionized labor so they can get promoted on Merit.
keep licking that corporate boot I'm sure the taste will grow on you
I work for the US postal service and unironically people keep getting caught having sex on the premises on the clock and can't get fired, because union fights tooth and nail to save them
Meanwhile my friend is in a gray area where management can give him the most fuck ass hours and switching locations daily and the union won't help him
Twitter and TH-cam have both failed to prevent account impersonation.
A better solution is needed.
Unions are great until you see who teacher and police unions are protecting...
police unions aren't unions, they're "fraternal brotherhoods"
Like.
Unions didn't create those laws, politicians did.
Well duh, that's how laws are put in, by those with the legal power to make laws... And they only did it after intense pressure from unions.
Unions lobbied those politicians for those laws.
Or do you think politicians just did that out of the kindness of their own hearts?
Wait until you find out WHY those politicians created those laws
You're so close dude, so close
Politicians don't create laws like that without pressure from lobbying groups... such as unions.