Woolie Watched The Thing (1982) | Castle Super Beast Clips
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The dog actor that played the husky was actually _insanely_ well-trained. There's just something about it's body language that seems so unnatural and hyperintelligent.
iirc that was jared leto, really immersed himself in the role
The dog actor who was named Jed (RIP), was actually a wolfdog (half-Husky, half-wolf), which is a large part of why it doesn't act like your typical Husky.
@@fifthgod The shot where they follow it going through the halls was it just doing its thing and it turned out perfect. I think it might've been the first take.
@@fifthgod Oh for real like the Metal Gear Solid dogs!
I've never seen a dog pull the "Hello my fellow kids" before but when that dog gets lead into the kennel and it just sits with the door to its back, facing all the actual dogs... lol it manages to perfectly embody that body language of "uncanny valley simulation/predator looking at prey"
Most horror movies: “There’s a monster!” “Oh stop it, there’s no such thing as monsters.”
The Thing: “GET THE FLAMETHROWER!” Everyone comes running in with TWO flamethrowers ready to go and they burn the shit out of it.
I adore how swift and serious they take it. More movies need characters with that level of self-preservation.
And the flamethrowers aren't enough! They only manage to delay it for a while. Such a fantastic film
It literally goes:
"Mac wants the flamethrower!" "Mac wants the what!?" "That's what I said, now MOVE!"
Alert, he needs what? Ok, it must be really important!
Brother get the flamer. *THE HEAVY FLAMER*
@@callumdonington2227 but Perez Hilton isn't in the movie. wocka wocka.
"I just love a closed environment...what are the rules... figure them out or die... horror situation".
And that's why Woolie loves fighting games too.
"You know, the thing is kinda like fighting games, when you're down a game for the set and your opponent picks your character for the mirror"
I wonder if he’s a fan of Tremors
One thing the prequel did that was good is they found a completely new way of identifying the aliens, and it also makes sense. They find an artificial hip and reason that the aliens can't absorb metal so they have no choice but to excrete it. This means that anyone who has a pacemaker, a kevlar knee cap, or even fillings in their teeth can't possibly be one of the monsters. And that is actually really clever.
Start of podcast, we've got sixty things on the docket so better hurry along.
Proceeds to gush about the Thing for an hour, which it totally deserves.
No no no this is awesome. It's perfect.
They also said somethings they won't care about.
What was that game? "Who the fuck cares?"
Hey, it's definently better than "Let me talk about how much Bayonetta 3's story sucks for the 3rd week straight, then bring it up again when we get into that new Bayonetta game announced at TGA's."
At least here it's a topic a large part of the audience will have fun with.
@@armchairmaster That's what i want though. Discussion about aspects of the games. From two individuals with massive perspective on gaming as a whole.
The distinction between games made by platinum and games made AND written by platinum.
This is why i am here.
@@armchairmaster I thoroughly enjoy listening to them shit on Bayo 3’s story. It deserves it
@@damonsghost9235 It doesn't have to go on for multiple weeks in a row, however. Yes, Bayo 3's story is bad. However a lot of real estate from the podcasts gets dedicated to this same topic, and gets further covered on their own time and on Twitter.
There were a lot of trailers shown off at TGA's that literally only got a "Sure!" from both Pat and Woolie, and it felt like it was less "to make a funny bit" and more "Oh fuck we're taking too long just blow through these." I don't recall any significant talk about Jedi Survivor, Warhammer Space Marine 2, or that one Returnal-like Scars Above, that literally just looks like "Returnal, but the main girl has a fatter ass."
Unfortunately Woolie has banned any variation of "next bit", so some podcasts tend to drag more than they should.
Some additional fun little tidbits about the making of this masterpiece:
Rob Bottin practically lived on set for the film's entire production working on all the effects. It got to the point where Carpenter made him stop and go to the hospital for exhaustion.
The cast and crew nearly blew themselves up on multiple different occasions. When Mac blows up the Palmer-Thing, for example, the explosion was apparently far larger than anticipated.
The Husky from the beginning was half-wolf in its breed, which is partly the reason why it was able to be so eerily quiet. Even some of the people on set were creeped out by it.
My God. A Half Husky Half Wolf. Thats like 3/4 of a wolf lol. They might as well have just brought one on set.
@@music79075 Amazing what a quarter of dog can do lol.
The sad thing is Woolie's theory about the thing breaking out of containment and causing the spaceship to crash was what the prequel was going to imply. There even is an animatronic test for the alien navigator, but along with the practical effects being covered up by CG the studio scrapped it. The other sad thing is the original film's failure at the box office did have a negative impact on Carpenter. He was set to make an adaptation of Firestarter but after the movie tanked the studio dropped him, and people didn't want to sink too much money into any of his ideas. On top of that, the film was Carpenter's dream project but its thorough lambasting by everyone (including the director of the original 50s The Thing, who Carpenter admired) really damaged his feelings about making movies.
That gives some context on how bitter he sounded whenever someone praised him for it. I thought it was mainly the money but hearing praise years after your reputation has already been sullied has to suck.
I'll always be of the opinion that The Thing is a weapon (largely) in the control of another species. It was able to begin building a saucer, presumably it'd ultimately be a flying one. That kind of information isn't possible to store in one cell.
I propose that The Thing alters the mind (or some other organ) of its host to become a receiver for remote receipt of commands, even direct control could be possible. Most functions such as violence and perhaps even flesh-forming would be self determined, but there's no way a single cell could build a complex vehicle from unfamiliar components.
"The other sad thing is "
That'd be a good name for the 2011 prequel
the story of the prequel is one of the most tragic things ever. the people who made the film LOVED THE THING. they were as big as fans as the thing as, well, everyone else. like, they were such big fans of the thing they went and made their own film that uses a creature that takes over peoples' body and made it with 100% practical effects as a sort of love letter to fans of the thing that were disappointed by the prequel
@@LilAnonomus I remember a story about him having lunch with Del Toro and he got pretty pissy after he praised him for the Thing
Will never get tired of people newly discovering The Thing
Wil never get tired of people newly discovering 2 Mello music
you think MOLOTOV MUSIC can beat the thing?
Same.
@@rudeboyspodcast Same.
A funny in hindsight story about The Thing. There was a girl I was dating for a while and she told me that because she hadn't watched many movies growing up that she wanted me to show her my top 10 favorites. The Thing is up there and because she weathered through stuff like Apocalypse Now & Akira, I thought she'd be fine. We didn't make it past the dog kennel scene. I spent an hour holding her hair back as she threw up before she kicked me out for the night. When she finally reached back out to me days later she texted _"You can come back over now, but you can't bring anymore alien movies with you."_ A pity because I wanted to show her Alien & Aliens too.
you could have told her the cat in alien and aliens will be fine. I was more scared for that cat than I was for Ripley.
@@MrKuemmelbrot The cat's barely in Aliens, now the dog in Alien³
This happened
You dodged a bullet, homie. If she ain't watchin The Thing, she ain't worth it.
@@atticusrex9468 If she doesn't "get" The Thing, she doesn't get my thing.
I love how genuinely upset Woolie was upon hearing the details of the CG prequel.
To be honest though, the CG is only one of the problems. Even if all the effects were practical it would still suck. They dumbed it down a whole lot to appeal to wider horror movie audiences. Remember when that girl somehow gets away from the Thing by crawling into a hole it can't fit through? Even though literally the core concept of it is that it can morph itself into any size and shape?
@@wselfwulfwulf9746 Mistakes were made.
@@wselfwulfwulf9746 Also the way the camera is shot and focus's on people when they die instead of the monster and what its doing. Seriously have the camera focus on the dead people after the monster is not actively attacking people.
Honestly I still find the prequel to be enjoyable tbh. Sure it doesn’t hold a candle to the original, but I don’t find it to be an outright bad movie honestly.
@@TheJ2tronic it would be fine as a spiritual sequel in a different universe but as a prequel it adds lore that harms the first film.
That first pause, my whole body tensed ready to fight Woolie to the death if he was about to reveal he didn’t like The Thing.
Woolie Madden, the True Master of Suspense.
One of the worst parts about the prequel movie is that the studio that did the practical effects didn't know that it all got replaced by CG until they were in the theater at the premiere and saw it on the big screen. They went in expecting to see their hard work all pay off, and instead they got the biggest "fuck you" they could ever get.
What the fuck. Who does that?
@@amf1435 There is a TH-cam channel called fact fiend that talks about this. On a better note, the studio that did the practical effects went on to make their own movie that is pretty much The Thing but their own version. Their movie has a better metacritic score compared to the prequel Thing.
I thought I had heard that they hadn't finished all the practical effects for the movie and that the decision to go CG was still during principal photography, but maybe I got wrong info or just am misremembering it.
Same thing with Wolfman 2010. They did it practically, then painted over it with CG.
Almost as bad as what they did to Adrian Brody in the thin red line
My favorite post about the Thing was someone saying its a dumb name and they could make a better one by the time they finished watching it. After they finished they said “Never mind that really was A Thing”
john carpenter wasn't lying, that really was The Thing
Yea. Cause there’s no real name you can think of to call it except “It’s a Thing.”
Honestly, the title of the original short story would've worked too: "Who goes there?"
But the Thing is a lot more impactful as a title
@@wselfwulfwulf9746 That's a good'n though. It works on *two levels.*
the real The Thing were the friends we made along the way.
Probably one most egregious crimes in cinema entertainment was not only this movie bombing, but being critical panned around the board by critics. Glad in recent years he's getting the respect he deserved all those years ago for making this masterpiece.
There was actually an interview with him a year or two ago where the interviewer gushes about how much he loves The Thing and how it was criminal that it was unappreciated in its time and Carpenter replies (IIRC) “Well how the fuck does that help me now?”
@@TheArkTheArkTheArk we should have bought it at full price as soon as it came out.
Actually there’s also a convention appearance where a fan asks him “Escape From New York was incredible. What the hell happened in Escape From LA?” And Carpenter’s immediate response is to flip him the bird and say “Fuck you.” God he’s great.
Everyone wanted to see ET at the time, it seems.
Loved you in Alien³
Macready pouring his whiskey into the computer and calling it a cheating b!tch is one of the best character intros ever
So, to answer why Nauls goes to investigate a dark corner of the basement alone and dies off screen was actually due to timing and budget cuts. You can find storyboards online of how they wanted him to die. Him and Maccready were supposed to dive out of the way when the monster comes at them, but only Nauls gets partly dragged into the hole. Then we were supposed to see his skin slowly melt away by the Thing while he's screaming for Maccready to help him.
Oh that would have been terrifying to watch I’m so upset now that it was cut
While that sounds cool, less is sometimes more and I think it was wisely cut
@@wuwu007 true, but I feel like it would be nice for an extended cut if they had actually filmed it
Personally i like to imagine he's the real true survivor and just ran off screen
I remember hearing that Nauls was suppose to be cornered by the Thing in a bathroom and instead he decides to use a flare to burn himself alive because he'd rather die than be turned also apparently that actor was just out of rehab and paranoid the cast and crew were all racist or something like that.
Woolie striking while the iron is colder than a Norweigan Antartic Research Station. Classic.
It's never too late for someone to discover The Thing.
@@RocRolDis oh no, I don’t mean it as a slight, more just hilariously on brand.
I think one of the most horrifying parts of The Thing is the idea that it can replicate someone it absorbs so perfectly, they might not even know they've been assimilated.
exactly. i like to think they aren't aware as it helps them blend in and act as they naturally would act, the thing part of them only coming out when the moment calls for it, like if they're alone or threatened.
The story that gives you the Thing from the perspective of the Thing is cool (not sure if its Canon). It touches on how your consciousness does become aware but at that point you are just a passenger in your own body as your consciousness is slowly consumed and fades away.
@@Lozard2324 it’s not canon and it’s called The Things. Good little read honestly. Worth checking out since it’s pretty well written for fanfiction.
Yeah, one of the coolest details in "Things" is that assimilation process speed varies based on how the infection was administered. The slip one drop of my blood into your body is the slowest version, but the target doesn't know it's happening. There's a line that is something like, "I was barely a twitch in his left pinky at the time" as The Thing defines itself by how much control is has.
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if they just tried talking to the Thing.
It's stupid, but you can't help but wonder, you know?
19:50 Wait, no, Woolie I've seen this exact thing happen irl before. There's a park in Darwin, Australia called Crocodylis Park. That's where I learned about Crocodile's ability to cut off their own blood circulation to kill off their own limbs, supposedly to prevent the spread of potential infections. The tour guides _specifically_ pointed out the most dramatic Crocodiles, including one big girl who got her toe clipped by the tour boat's propeller blade or something. The keepers thought that she would heal easily, but this dramatic bitch went and cut the circulation to her entire foot off! Now she only has 3 feet and a stub all because she got a scratch on her toe once! And you can't even call that a bad evolutionary trait because crocs, in particular the saltwater type you see in Australia, are fuckin' _ancient._
Oh Christ, never knew that over here. That's REALLY fascinating!
the cg wasn't the BIG problem of the prequel, the big problem was the lack of ambiguity in the cast. you had a designated lead protagonist from almost the very start, making every single other character disposable, and you also had a designated "we need to study this for evil knowledge because i am the evil man" incompetent leader to manufacture human drama when they already had a far more compelling source of human drama present in the form of "who the fuck are you? are you you, or are you that thing?"
I wonder what would have happened if the plot was handled by the (small) Norwegian part of the production rather than the American. Norwegian sci-fi on film was basically dead by then, but Norway kinda already did The Thing (minus the body horror and stuff) back in 1978, with Blindpassasjer, a TV show about the crew of a spaceship waking up to find out that an unidetified body has been disposed off while they slept, and eventually realize one of them have been killed and replaced by an alien shapeshifter, but not knowing who. The guys who wrote it were still writing SF books and plays and such when the prequel was being made. You'd just need someone to bonk 'em over the head whenever they would get the impulsive to make the alien the sympathetic one and man the real monster.
Ah. I never saw that version of The Thing, but I already feel what you mean. I think I've especially hit my wall with that "we can use X thing as a weapon" trope in Jurassic World. At least in this 1982 The Thing, you can understand why they didn't immediately start toasting monster corpses: they wanted discovery rewards and all that. It's a reasonable thing for them to want.
To be fair it was very obvious that Kurt Russel was the main character and wouldnt die or be The Thing at least until the end.
And that ends up being true. Though I will say, by the middle point I liked how theres a moment where you can think its got Kurt, which is good.
It also suffered from a Mary Sue problem, where they inserted a woman into the story who manages to somehow be everything and know everything she has to to make it to the end. It wasn't super obnoxious like it can be, with women being able to beat men 3 times their size to death, but it was definitely present.
It's cool that Woolie got the guy who played George Bennings on as a guest.
"Mac wants the flamethrower!"
My favorite part is that Bennings doesn't really look that much like Pat.
But *Thing-Bennings*? Dead on.
I panicked when Woolie got real quiet after Pat called The Thing "a great god damn movie". I couldn't handle that kind of betrayal.
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The performance that the wolfdog gives as The Thing is the animal equivalent of a human being playing Michael Meyers as The Shape. Right down to the little head tilt it does to show curiosity, as if this horrible monster is not truly malicious, it just finds our terror towards it fascinating. That's far scarier than a villain who tautologically preys on fear.
Just finished reading "The Things" by Peter Watts and despite being non-canon, I really like the idea that there is a degree of curiosity within The Thing's consciousness that drives it. A seemingly very eloquent one, I mean it did intend to build a spaceship so it must have a significant degree of intelligence and from it's point of view is a very different contrast to the raw fear it inspires in the people it "terrorizes".
@@deslacooda I agree that short story is very well done, it's a bizarre way of humanizing an incomprehensible horror, the idea that despite its vast intellect it's confused and perplexed by us and how we interact with the world.
Still the funniest bit in The Thing, is when Macready sees this behemoth horror screeching in the tunnel, he's so done he just goes "Yeah, fuck you too!" And chucks the dynamite. Garry yelling while tied to the couch is funny too
Pat cringing at himself for saying 'sussy baka' cracked me up.
Self psychic damage in real time. It just bounced back and BAM!
Passive Counterspell'd
SAY IT IRONICALLY
AND IT'LL BECOME UNIRONIC
EVERY TIME
That dog is probobly my favorite actor ever, it's so perfectly behaved I swear it must have read the script and understood the tone of the movie.
For some reason my mother LOATHS this movie. Whenever I bring it up when we have company she rants for hours on how bad she finds it, telling people not to watch it, that it's the dumbest movie she's ever seen.
I have been unable to share this film with family friends to this day because of this.
Infuriates me to no end.
Why exatly does she dislike about it, if i may ask?
Does she have an actual reason or its cause of the Gore and brutal human and animal death scenes?
@Peter White I think it's the gore but everytime I ask her she just refers to it as "the dumbest movie I've ever seen."
She also despises Alien movies and I think she hates it on principle for that reason.
We pointed out to her how it's known for being really smart and she just gave us the death glare.
Also she considers The Happening one of the smartest movies she's ever seen so I don't trust her film opinions in the slightest.
@@MAJR172 Maybe your Mom is just playing the long con, by trolling all of you for years? ^^
@@MAJR172 sorry your mom has terrible taste.
@@MAJR172 I think it's honestly just the gore. It shocked/turned her off so much that the whole move automatically becomes "bad and dumb". I know people who automatically default to something "being bad" if it contains one of their achilles heels like graphic gore, one of their fobias etc, no matter if the rest of said media is actually great.
Saw it on a big screen for the first time this Halloween. The Thing has aged like fine wine.
Stan Winston didn't fucking work on Robocop. And he was only brought in as an advisor and for some extra help on The Thing. Rob Bottin is the true hero of The Thing.
Here's the thing (heh) that you have to take into consideration: does the Thing know if other people are also one if it didn't see them be turned? Like if it went and turned someone, and that second one took over a third guy, does the first one know about the third one without the second one telling it? They're not a telepathic hivemind, they're just a big cluster of cells. Which throws the whole "I know I'm human, and if you were all things you'd kill me right now" scene into the air because maybe they don't even know.
This seems to be the case when Palmer-Thing's reaction to the spider head is surprise, which ends up calling attention to it, rather than trying to pretend he didn't see it.
@@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786 I always assumed it was more of it "it's willing to sell out its own kind if it means it survives"
@Gorse Aurn I agree, I just disagree with the word "infection" because it implies the Thing is like a virus which is theory that is really stupid and flies in the face of how it works in the movie. If it was a virus there would be no film at all, they'd lose almost instantly, the Thing shows it has to physically transform and attack you in order to turn you into it. It's not infecting you, it's eating you and then using your body to make another one of itself.
I made this point in another comment, but if it was capable of cooperating with “itself” (other ‘things’) it totally would have and should have dismembered itself and spread itself around the base in order to take over the base.
@@SeruraRenge11 Palmer wasn't in any immediate danger of being suspected when he reacted to the spider head though, if anything his drawing MacCready's attention to it was what gave them the idea of the blood test, ironically leading to Palmer-Thing's exposure.
Anyone that thinks this movie's monster is awesome owes it to themselves to read the short story THE THINGS by Peter Watts.
I don't want to give away much, but it was a Hugo Award nominee and deserved to be imo; best piece of fanfiction I've ever read. Absolutely chilling final line. I hope Woolie finds out about it.
That was a damn good read, thanks.
shoutsout to his other book BLINDSIGHT as well, it isn't even a horror book but it spooked the shit outta me. It goes very well with what Woolie says of how cool the concept of the Thing being this alien without a self is funnily enough.
Oh yes, definitely worth a read if you liked this movie.
HOW HAD WOOLIE NEVER WATCHED THE THING BEFORE
YOU HAVEN'T SEEN DEATH NOTE????
@@butcherpete5869 Moments like that is why I loved the 4 person podcast, classic.
Woolie has not seen a lot of devil movies
So?
Lol funnily enough even i watched it for the first time recently
If Woolie (or anyone) likes their practical effects, then they should watch some of Tom Savini's work, his effects on George Romero's Day of the Dead are some of my personal favourite effects period.
Agreed. The disappointing thing is how much of his work was CUT from that movie, much of it more sophisticated and graphic than what made it into the final film.
I know you can see some of it on youtube, I watched a making of documentary that was on here a few years ago.
@@dieselpunk4117 I'm just happy we have the jawless zombie and the "choke on 'em" scene still
Bro the dude who gets his vocal cords ripped out while screaming is burned into my memory
@@noahgilmore4837 As the number one zombie genre shill: he's definitely in the top 3 deaths in a zombie movie for sure
i was gonna ask which one was the "Send More Paramedics" one and now i've learned the star of Dawn was the flipping dad from Kenan and Kel. *why doesn't anybody tell me these things!*
Woolie underestimating the intelligence of eldritch extraterrestrials is a common thing, (pun intended) huh? He already did the same thing with the flood in the halo Lps. How many things have to be building/repairing goddamn spaceships before he realizes they aren't zombies?
I don't understand his thought process. Did he think Wilford Brimley dug the hole and built the UFO before Pat said otherwise?
Like... what?
@@wselfwulfwulf9746 He thought that the Brimley-Thing excavated the entire tunnel and built half a ship in around 7 hours, and that's assuming he's a thing from the start.
It ain't that deep you three.
It's a *blind review* and it's not without reason to think it could be a mindless creature (the flood is also a terrible example cause Earky halo games treated it like a zombie Parasite.)
Pat even says that it's possible another alien was transporting it, most of the movie is literally made for audience interpretation.
It be boring if woolie or pat came to the same conclusions as you, you wouldn't be here if you didn't want his take in the movie.
Relax it's NOT that deep.
@@violetshadowstone5250 The Thing literally builds a UFO out of scraps. That's not up to interpretation, the Thing is both sentient and intelligent.
@@violetshadowstone5250 We're talking about Woolie's incorrect assumption that the Brimley-thing excavated the entire underside of the shack he was relegated to after he went nuts and also built a ship.
Got a chance to see it in theaters over the summer. Damn if this movie isn't amazing in the theaters. Honestly John Carpenter's body of work is just full of incredible movies, not to mention that his music skills are solid, too. Dude's an incredible talent.
My favorite movie of his is either The Thing or Prince of Darkness, both movies where he really gets to flex with weird monsters.
"30 years"
It's been exactly 40 years, Pat.
Woolie catching up to the horror Godfather is a wonderful thing.
Oooh, I dunno. I wanna say The Shining is the Horror Godfather, but I accept a debate here.
One of my favourite things about people watching The Thing is it has such a good heel turn for viewers right away. 'Save the dog' goes to 'Kill the dog!' so fast. It's even more amusing when they are big dog people catching themselves saying 'Kill the dog!'/
Ah, but that's the thing: It's not a dog, now is it?
@@gingermcgingin4106 You're not wrong, but in a panic I've heard people shout 'kill the dog'.
I'm just amused they fell for the trick and shout something horrendous in fear.
I need Woolie to interview his Thing doppelganger for the next podcast
I thought Woolie was Hellpockets' doppelganger
@@krodmandoon3479brennan is already better woolie though
I still remember back in community college, I tried to play The Thing for movie day but then the other guys swapped it out for GAMER (you die in the game you die for real). I had never felt the combination of pissed and dissapointed in my life until then.
Gamer's the Gerard Butler film. I think you're referring to Stay Alive?
i liked Stay Alive. i like goofy stuff.
@@miguelnewmexico8641 Ain't nothin' wrong with goofy!
@@professornormal9677 Yeah, probably
And THAT kids is why it’s community college.
"Woolie watches your favorite movie" might as well be the title.
The only reason I remember the The Thing game was because of a magazine giving what's actually a huge and helpful tip; doing the blood test yourself. By proving you're not it, morale/trust/whatever goes up
I beat that game a few times as a kid and never once thought to test my main character. Also I can't really remember anything about it other than I DID beat it. May have to keep that in the mental vault as a game I *maybe* enjoyed? I know toward the end most of your screen became really hard to really make out anything for some reason. I think there was an enemy that spammed a "blinding" attack that they just throw at you non stop?
This has been the "strike while the iron is ice cold" take of the week
Glad he finally saw it though, hopefully it'll inspire more people to watch this classic
i went and watched it for first time partly bc of this and partly bc of Dvorah on Mortal Kombat
I've been waiting for this segment to happen for years.
Wonder what Woolie thought about the part with Pat screaming in the movie?
I was looking for this comment. Bennings looks a LOT like Pat.
Woolie watching amazing classic 80s and 90s movies in 2022 is what I live for. I can't wait to see what he watches next
One neat thing the prequel added was that it can't take in nonorganic material, so if your pal suddenly lost an earing or piercing, burn em.
My favourite fuging Horror movie of all time . A classic . Amazing , chefs kiss ,
The Thing is capable of perfect replication of any creature it has absorbed including their mannerisms. I don't see why it wouldn't be able to fly a spaceship.
John carpenters the thing is my favorite horror movie. Its incredible. I remember seeing the blood test scene when I was 12 and being scared shitless. So glad you got to enjoy this movie Woolie!!
The Thing (1982) Is great. Still makes me feel unconformable. I still thing my dog (Husky Mix so she is always silent.) will turn into a monster anytime at night.
The Thing has been my favorite film ever since my mother showed it to me as a child. The way Carpenter plays with fear and paranoia is brilliant.
I recently got to meet Richard Masur, played Clark, at a convention and during his panel he had so many lovely and interesting stories about Jed, the dog. He also answered my question of if he had ever wanted to get mutated or killed in some grizzly way by the Thing. He said no because Carpenter actually let him choose which role he wanted to play and he thought Clark would be interesting. Said he always loved his decision because he got to be so close with Jed.
He also signed a photo for my friend of him and Jed with a little paw print. Said he only does that with that specific photo.
I love the part of the thing where the titular thing said: “Its amongus time”
My first exposure to The Thing (which eventually got me to check out the movie) was a Brood War UMS multiplayer map. From a gameplay perspective, that map was mechanically identical to Among Us, where a random player was chosen to be The Thing, and they had to kill the other players while remaining undetected, and the other players had to do various tasks around the map whilst trying to sniff out and kill The Thing.
Man, Brood War UMS maps were seriously the gift that kept giving. So much creativity came from that community back in the day.
Today woolie rediscovers his hatred of Corporate
the thing is probably the greatest horror movie of all time and that's i think it holds that title comfortably. from the production to the direction to the lighting everything is just operating on a 10. everyone involved struck it out and it shows on screen.
17:49 fun fact, the thing was based on a short story titled "who goes there?" It hits alot of the same beats but it's much older than the movie (early to mid 20th century) so the tech was more limited. Anyway, in the short story they do actually kinda explain how the thing is able to perfectly copy a person and seemingly has all their knowledge, it is telepathic. At least that's what the characters speculate. So that's how they can pull off the imitation so well, either because they read their victims mind and copied everything or they read the minds of those they are trying to fool and give them the answers they want.
Oh snap that's pretty terrifying to think of a creature like JC's Thing being a mass of flesh and limbs that can also read minds.
I'm partial to the theory that McCready gave Giles a molotov cocktail to drink.
I like to think McCready was the thing and there was a drop of him in that booze
My favorite podcast sections are the ones where one of them finally watches an old movie/show that the other one is already familiar with, like this or when Pat watched the old Gundams.
I think, of all the great moments in this picture, my favourite is still MaCready's chess game, right at the start, which foreshadows the entire story.
Ah i see. So Mcready becomes the cheating bitch?
35:50 Pat's totally wrong here, but he's also KINDA right.
Alien and The Thing weren't more violent and gory than everything. They were more violent and gory than everything that wasn't the newly-emerging SLASHER FILM genre.
So people saw these, and the only movies they could really compare them to (in terms of the violence and gore) were things like Halloween and Friday the 13th, which had just come out a few years back and been wildly successful (and often extremely hated by critics). So they just assumed "movie about something killing a bunch of people" was more of that.
I was lucky enough to go see it once on the big screen and Dean Cundey, the cinematographer of the movie, had a Q&A afterwards. That guy is such a master of his craft.
The Thing still holds up. I love it so much. That's a film I watched too young lol
The visible psychic damage pat took when he called Windows a "sussy baka" was palpable 😂❤
John Carpenders The Thing is such a perfect Woolie Movie, kinda hard to fathom that he's managed to dodge it for so long
I love the phrase "emotional support dynamite"
There was actually a deleted scene in the Prequel Thing where the corpse of the alien pilot is shown near the end of the film. There was even a fully functioning animatronic version that would have attacked Ramona Flowers. But of course, financial constraints and test audiences convinced the producers to use CGI to cover up the pilot. And they used Tetris to cover it up, because that's what the kids were into in 2011.
I always thought that the Thing was smart enough to fly the saucer, since it seems to get smarter as it's imitations become more complex.
Woolie's comments on the nature of the Thing are really interesting, because they combine really well with my own views on the movie. I think the movie is a very uplifting movie about selflessness. These men are in a nightmare situation that pushes them and makes them into their worst selves, as a crisis situation often does, and yet when it becomes apparent that they are all fucked they work together to save the rest of the world from being the Thing's lunch. Selflessness.
The Thing, on the other hand, is so selfish that when any individual piece of it is threatened it tries to save itself even though it is directly opposed to the greater Thing's goals. The Thing's selfishness is the entire reason why it loses. Well, it loses for the moment, at least. The implication is the Earth is still ultimately fucked.
I always watched the movie concentrating on the humans ultimate choice being selflessness, but I never considered how the Thing perfectly provided and example of selfishness.
Are the Things selfish though? Maybe, but we could also see it as desperation. The Thing has been stuck in this artic sinkhole for thousands of years and has barely made any progress in escaping it. Perhaps it's think more along the lines of escaping for the greater good of itself, or it's species if we consider each Thing to have some form of individuality.
We see that Blair-Thing was building a ship under the shack and this act could hint at a some form of hierarchy among the Things running around the camp. While we do see the Things somewhat selfishly sacrifice one another to either stay hidden or defend themselves, part of it could also be that their main goal is to keep the humans busy or away from Blair-Thing whose busy moving around collecting parts and building the ship in secret.
@@Zikk0_o It is a gestalt organism. It doesn't have an actual hive mind, so each individual instance of the Thing can be seen as a kind of individual, but I think of it as a distributed, single, organism. I would assume size also determines each Thing's processing power
The Thing is selfish in that it wants to persist. Different parts of it might end up working against other parts of it, but when a drop of yourself is all you need to subvert someone you think of survival in different terms.
@@planguy9575 I don't think size alone dictates the hierarchy of power. The Thing is able to not only absorb appearance, but also memories and intelligence. If they don't share a single mind or a some type of linked consciousness then that means each Thing can have a varying degree of intelligence once separated from one another. So the Blair-Thing for instance would be the only Thing that possesses Blair's memories and knowledge until or if other Things rejoin with it, if possible.
I don't necessarily think they're selfish but rather they are in an mutual understanding with one another about the greater goal in escaping the artic landscape. They are never shown to turn on each other for petty reasons. Palmer-Thing somewhat turns on Norris-Thing specifically to gain more trust with the rest of the crew after a very tense moment. When you look at the grand scheme the creatures are playing you can see how they were all somewhat working together in keeping things contained to the inside of the main camp, leaving Blair-Thing alone to roam around and build the ship.
Survival can mean many different things to the Thing. We know it's #1 priority is to escape the artic, but as far as assimilation goes there is a degree of choice in what it wants to absorb. Clark could've been assimilated plenty of times and was even licked by the dog-Thing, yet he was never infected. I don't think the Thing just absorbs indiscriminately past a certain threshold of intelligence has been gained.
Could you imagine Wilford flying that UFO? :D
So the chest opening scene they only had one prop. They only had one take to do everything. So they tried really hard to do it perfectly.
even crazier: they had it all built and ready and it accidentally BURNED DOWN-- they had to rebuild every part of it!
Haven't finished watching the whole video yet so I dunno if the lads mention this BUT! I can't recommend reading "The Things" by Peter Watts enough. It's the film but told from the alien's POV and it's masterful. Made me love The Thing even more. It's a quick read and you can find it online just by googling.
Also saw The Thing for the first time this year.
What a perfect film to watch while you’re TIED TO A FUCKING COUCH.
There was a planned sequel TV series by Sci-Fi channel but it was dropped due to the cost at the time. I think with proper CGI and practical effects now, it could work. It would have taken place in a secluded town in New Mexico and the scariest part? It finds a way around the blood test. There's a script leaked online for the entire mini-series(which would have been like two, two hour movies basically). And it's honestly GREAT.
The Director's Commentary track is a pro listen. You can hear John and Kurt's lighters flicking on every now and then. Chill and informative.
Easily one of the best movies of all time for me. Surprised nobody mentioned the obvious inspirations for Dead Space that it is, now that Woolie has this context to look back on it with lol.
The second alien thing is the one good thing in the prequel. It establishes that this thing is a problem no matter what planet it’s on
You wanna know how much each part was out for itself? The one who points to the Norris spider head trying to escape was Palmer, who was a Thing by that point.
Edit: oh I just got to it, glad they realized.
also the 2011 movie is a prequel and shows what happened at the danish base,although everyone talks english the whole time and the main character is a american girl
I recently watched this with a friend who had never seen the film, I loved listening to them try to figure out what was going on.
If you notice in the movie you can say the Thing is scared and is always trying to survive or escape hence the ufo it just wants to leave also the husky running from the chopper
7:00 Imagine how many perfect movies were ruined by producers before they were released.
One of the aspect of the movie that works so great is that we never really know the actual purpose of the thing, one can go for the obvious and simple continuous growth and spread, but as it grows in intelligence based on mass it could very well be that its ultimate goal was to absorb enough mass to build a spaceship and get off the planet, especially since the only interactions it had so far it's been with paranoid psychotic humanoids with flamethrowers and explosives, recontextualizing even the dog kennel scene as an act of desperation as it would be the one thing that gives it away immediately.
The original novella "Who Goes There" is unquestionably inferior but has some neat stuff. There's a great scene where one of the characters has gone completely insane and spend the entire night howling prayers to the annoyance of everyone else. But later they realize he's quiet and discover he's been murdered by another crew member. Only to have his corpse attack when they go to burn it. Paraphrasing from the text "Boys meet Adam, the only man we are sure is human because he tried to commit murder and failed. Now will everyone else please refrain from trying to prove they are human".
Another horrifying/triumphant scene is when they develop the blood test and start testing everyone. The first Thing revealed kicks away the Thing-killing prod and starts to transform, but then the entire crew jumps onto it and starts literally tearing it to shreds.
There is some silly stuff though, like the thing's eyes being described as burning with hatred even frozen in ice. But really awesome stuff like them realizing they may have been drinking milk from Thing infected cows.
If you're into this and like cosmic horror check out in the mouth of madness. Another great John carpenter classic.
Now the biggest question for Woolie;
Has he seen Big Trouble in Little China yet?
Something very unique about a group of humans that clearly don't like each other but are all willing to scarifice themselves to protect humanity for individualism taken to the extreme
Whenever Bennings was on screen I'd usually imagine him as Pat.
If you have the time, be sure to try to read “who goes there” the short story this is based on, some fun details there
The Thing is a great movie, no doubt.
Well, a bit less so, when you're 5 years old, sitting home alone and just found this funny VHS cassette you've never watched before on the top shelf... I think it took me 10 years or more to find my courage and re-watch it.
one neat thing to notice at the beginning of the film is when macready is playing the chessbot, it does an illegal move and that's why he destroys it and calls it a cheating bitch
Huh, I never actually noticed that. I always just thought that it was foreshadowing how he would end up blowing the entire station to bits since he couldn't actually win against the Thing otherwise
One of the best movies ever made-period.
One of the best parts of the film for me is that the Thing is building its own starship. In my mind it's not a mindless beast, it was the pilot of the original starship. It just follows a completely different moral code than us.
It's probably a bit late to mention this, but there's a really great short story called "The Things" which tells the story from the perspective of the alien itself. The alien is fully intelligent, but it doesn't realize that humans are individual organisms who can't survive something destructive happening to their body and have their own separate minds and identities. The alien is basically very confused and desperately trying to survive after its ship crashed, and it doesn't understand why these organisms are trying to kill it and act hostilely to each other as well.
So, I got a theory about the Brimley-thing's ship. I don't think it was trying to escape in the ship. I think it was trying to lure the other's down into the basement and pick them off one-by-one, then freezing itself like it did on the crashed ship. It knew the cobbled together ship wouldn't fly, so it's just doing what it did before.
Also, my other favorite theory is that Mac and Childs at the end are drinking gasoline. Either they're both Things, Neither are Things or one of them is and that's why they're laughing.
It makes more sense that it was building a ship though. It's already implied from the beginning of the movie that it's already absorbed an intelligent lifeform that crash landed on earth so it would likely know how to cobble together something that could at least help it travel a bit of distance out of the artic. Freezing itself always felt like a last option if everything else was scrapped and if it really wanted to freeze then it could've done that at almost any time.
The thing is that one movie was everyone is acting a logically as they possibly could have and still died at the end. Some might say "they should've killed the dog that the Swiss people were shooting at", and I would respond with "yeah, but would you really kill a dog that is presumably being hunted down by crazy people or just plain assholes?".
It's weird how smart the Thing is it probably was flying the UFO because it was building another to leave.
I recently watched aliens for the first time after watching these dudes for like years, I had woolies same reaction to the thing, movies back in day weren’t just better they were perfect in almost every way. All blockbusters are so heartless now but you can just see the love in every frame on movies like aliens and the thing
The thing is one of my favorite movies of all time!
^ Lol I love how "Terminal Montage" made a video equating these bots as digital "The Thing"
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