IS ROMAN BRIDGER IN THE 1ST SCREAM MOVIE? | SCREAM (1996)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Fans have speculated about Roman Bridger's involvement in SCREAM (1996) for so long now. So today, I decided to look at the facts and do some digging to see if Roman is BELIEVED to be in, or around during the events of the first Woodsboro Ghostface killing spree back in 1996. Surpsingly, Roman's involvement hasn't been denied nor confirmed, but what I have found is intersting and deserves speculation.
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Anyone else notice the name of the brand of food in the shot of Ghostface in the reflection the fridge in the supermarket? Romantica 🧐
Was just away to comment that aswell
Romantica used to be an icecream cake I loved it!
Just about to say the same damn beat me to it
Damn you beat me to it!
Wow good eye!
Sidney is scarred for the rest of her life
1. Boyfriend tried to killer her
2. Boyfriend friend tried to help kill her
3. College friend tried to kill her
4. Ex boyfriend mom tried to kill her
5. Own BROTHER tried to kill her
6. Own COUSIN tried to kill her
7. Cousin friend/lover tried to help kill her
And all this happen just because Sidney mother Maureen didn't accept Roman into her life as her child at this point Sidney need to move to outer space it's her only option hopefully the aliens don't have a vendetta against Sidney out there.
Scream 20: Space ghost face
In space no one can hear you SCREAM
Lol epic
Scream 5: A New Beginning
Scream 6: Ghostface lives
Scream 7: the new Scream
Scream 8: Ghostface takes Manhattan
Ghostface goes to hell: the final Scream
Ghostface x
Michael vs Ghostface
This is why Sidney always wins in the end because of how many times she's been attacked giving her more experience in life and death situations, knowing their tricks and knows not to trust anyone.
It is an interesting theory, but it does fall apart when you remember Roman said he had no idea Billy and Stu was gonna make a film of their own that would turn Sidney into a star, I.E. the events of the original Scream. He set the plans in motion for Billy to kill Maureen, but he had no idea Billy and Stu was gonna go on a killing spree a year later with the intent of killing Sidney as well.
You gotta remember, though. It is impossible for the Ghostface in the supermarket (at least) to be Billy OR Stu because at the same time as this was going on, they were at the video store hassling Randy.
Which means that someone else was there in 1996. I don't think Billy or Stu killed Himbry. I think that Roman killed Principal Himbry with the intention of making sure that the plan went smoothly. Stu had no idea Billy was going to sell him out in the end, which means Roman was initiating their actual plan while Billy had Stu create as much chaos as possible.
Roman was there to observe and clean up a mess that they left. He wanted everything to go smooth because he really was that methodical.
@@austinsuthers3791 We don't know if Billy and Stu at the video store was happening right at that moment Ghostface was at the store. Could've easily been time in between then for Billy or Stu to have went to the video store after being at the grocery store.
@@austinsuthers3791 there no reason for himbry to be killed by Roman, that makes no sense at all from any perspective of viewpoint, hence why what you said is not accurate, so the theory of himbry killed by Roman is officially debunked
@@austinsuthers3791 Roman did not exist when the first movie was made. The Roman character is a retcon.
I agree with what you're saying.
I’ve always hated the scenes where ghostface is stalking them in broad daylight. The theory that it’s Roman makes those scenes make more sense.
I really wish we would’ve gotten the original plans for Scream 3. Sounded so interesting plus more Matthew Lillard is never a bad thing
Bad thing? He the best thing.
@@Cheesecake_666 He said “more Matthew Lillard is never a bad thing”. Never being the keyword there.
@@tigerlord9302 I know I was saying he was right just dramatically
Problem was Columbine cancelled that film's storyline.
A kid committing the murders, from stu, they had to cancel it to avoid controversy which already Scream experienced copycat real murders.
@Joshua 1992 I know, I just wish it was tilted Scream 5, everybody revealed it's not a reboot but a continuation of the Franchise itself
I’m sure that they weren’t intending those scenes to be Roman when filming. But there’s nothing wrong with making that your head cannon, it would make sense
Yes. I said this on my interview with Zack Cherry on The Dreaming Insomniacs: The Podcast
Exactly, this along with Angelina being the second killer is my head canon.
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I like to think that there were 3 killers in Scream 4. I think the deputy was a killer as well. Makes more sense for the kills and possible motive. But maybe that’s just me who loved her creepy shadow scene and wanted MORE😂
@@B-Dad I actually have full detailed reasoning as to why I think Hicks was involved. She's returning in Scream 5 and Williamson is Executive Producing. So it's possible the new filmmakers could implement some of his original ideas and make Hicks involved.
This video should've ended with:
Roman: "Variety called me a "pariah." I don't even know what a pariah is." xD
I really like your theory about Roman being in the first movie. Makes total sense to me. I'm a big fan of ALL the Scream movies, so thanks for sharing this entertaining video.
I totally agree about Roman being in the original Scream and that it was him and only him that was stalking Sydney in the woods and at the super market. Others argue that Roman wasn’t “cannon” yet in the Scream movie until the third movie, so he doesn’t count. But I disagree on that theory since he’s pretty much the puppet master/director as well as the third eyes and ears for Billy and Stu. So yeah, makes perfect sense to me that Roman was indeed in Scream if you complete the whole trilogy as one movie itself. 😱
I totally agree with you.
This reminds me of Metal Gear Ghost Babylon mess.
The first time Jac/Raiden technically appeared in the MGS series was in Metal Gear: Ghost Babel, he just wasn’t seen until Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty.
I love scream 3. I love all 4 of them and can’t wait for the new one.
Just like the rest of the Scream fans, im excited as well.
This is how I feel as well I love all 4
I think the 3rd is the best... but I'm gay so do with that what you will
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I believe it could've been Roman, I always thought how strange it was when Billy & Stu were in the video store and then you saw the scenes with Ghostface in the backyard & the grocery store, I also believe that there is another killer connected to all of this, I found it strange that out of all the first, second & fourth there were 2 killers and only 1 in the third, I feel that it's someone really close to Sidney or someone who we think is dead that helped orchestrate all of this.
Originally Angelina was supposed to be Roman's parnter and lover
The Scene of Billy, and Stu in the Video Store, and Ghostface in the Backgrounds don't Really Prove that only cause Roman wasn't Written in the Script until 1999/2000. And the Timing of them being in the Video Store, and in the Backgrounds wouldn't Matter cause they they don't you to know who the Killer is anyway Watching it First Time Around.
Plus, How would Roman know to use Ghostface at that Time anyway??? Ghostface wasn't used until the First SCREAM Events, not to Kill Maureen.
@@MrZombiejoe Maybe when he showed the video of his father with Maureen to Billy, they arranged the plan with the Ghostface's character.
@@bruswein1866 Well yeah, it was a Year Later, but it was just Billy, and Stu's idea just for their Own Fun out of it.
@@MrZombiejoe right. Stu originally survived in the first movie and was supposed to be the killer in the third movie, but that idea was scrapped shortly before filming. So Roman almost wasn't created at all (at least not as a killer) if this idea actually made it into the movie, which would make things in the first movie even more complicated.
When Roman talks to Sidney at the end of Scream 3 he mentions how he spoke to Billy and gave him some pointers - i think he was there in the behind scenes somewhere
You forgot to also mention Roman could be the guy that Sidney saw leaving her home cause Gale comments "No you seen SOMEONE leaving" when Sidney accused Cotton who she saw.
i remember that!! now every time i watch the scream movies i’m going to have to keep an eye out for things like that
yeah he cleared this up in another video, where it was billy that left with his coat on due to having similar hairstyles in same movie. I thought so too, since cotton had similar hair style to roman in scream 2 and 3. I guess its up to speculation on who sidney actually saw
That was definitely Billy.
@@danwarner7816 that could make sense too. i know billy told sidney that he murdered her mother, but i always thought after the third one, that maybe roman did it but billy said he did it because it was part of the plan.
I never understood that. Was Sindney's mom having affair with Cotton in their own house. I know they visited hotel's but even Cotton admitted they were intimite that night
I think Roman was the one who attacked Sidney in the bathroom at school. That was probably supposed to be Billy but it was definitely not some prankster, that was a very sinister and violent attack. The noises that Ghostface was making did not sound like Billy or Stu when they were in the costume. They also did a callback to that very scene in Scream 3 when Sidney encounters Angelina (originally written to be Roman's accomplice) in the bathroom and even squats down to look for feet just like in the first movie. As we know from Scream 3, Roman was obsessed with Sidney for having the happy, quiet life he never had and was also a stalker since he filmed Maureen with her lovers. I definitely think Roman would have wanted to keep an eye on Sidney especially with her in the spotlight after being attacked by the "mysterious killer" (Roman had to have known it was Billy and Stu since they were going after Sidney the year after they took out her mom). I think Roman was definitely in Woodsboro during the first murder spree.
I loved scream 3. I found it very interesting , and necessary to how they did Maureen’s backstory and how it tied in to the filming of the new stab. I thought it was very cleverly done, how they incorporated what goes on in movie productions, the good bad and ugly sides. How actresses were desperate to get roles and how unfortunately many were taken advantage of. It was particularly important to educate us in today’s me too culture. Roman as the killer made perfect sense, I totally believed his motive. The child and brother shunned by his mother and the sister who had all her attention. I also had no issue with him as the sole killer. His knowledge of the industry made it easy for him to duplicate voices, fake his death, and freely moving through the mansion. I was on the edge of my seat! As for Roman in the original? Absolutely! There is no way Billy or Stu could have been watching behind the tree then at the video store that quickly. I know a lot of people think Roman takes away from Billy and Stus credit, but if we remember, Roman did say to Sid your boyfriend didn’t like seeing his dad in his films, indicating they collaborated together, Roman also said getting someone to take the fall, referring to Stu. So Billy and Roman obviously planned this together and the original plan was to have Stu take the wrap. To me, 3 was the best. Unfortunately with 4 and now 5, it kinda is silly now with the references of the concluding chapter. 😂
I don't see too many people say *Scream* *3* is their favorite so your comment is blowing my mind right now! It's my favorite too.
@@rahbeeuh Scream 3 is definitely my favorite. An absolute masterpiece. People don't like it because they don't like that it was different, or they just don't get it.
@@burmiester1 agreed! Absolutely a masterpiece. I liked that it was different. Sure it leans more into comedy than the others but I like that about it. Someone told me most don't like it bc of the voice device which I actually thought was funny since Scream 3 is set in Hollywood. Of all the places for such a device to be used Hollywood would be it
@@rahbeeuh All those people also had audio recordings so the voices could be easily imitated, even Maureen was in the movies. Frankly Scream 3 leans more into comedy than the others but also drama, which is a tough tightrope to walk perfectly but 3 pulls it off no problems. Amazing film
There's one major problem with this theory. Roman says he manipulated Billy into killing Maureen but what they did the next year was all them. Plus if he was going to stalk them he would just go unmasked as he was unknown to everyone but Billy. Why would he watch the news, find a costume that matches the description, fly to Woods Borough, and then wear a wanted killer's costume out in broad daylight?
I actually have a completely different theory on Billy Roman and Stu
@@Stacerbell what's you're theory?
@@mrmclain113 I think Billy originally blew Roman off and it was actually Stu that turned Billy onto the idea of killing. I think that yeah both Stu and Billy killed Maureen. I think the breakup with Casey and the anniversary of Maureen's death triggered Stu into wanting to kill more.
Stu was always the weird one for me. He's a real ride or die friend. You want to kill people pal? Go ahead, I'll join you. Peer pressure. Lol!
Well think about it, if he did orchestrate everything then, wearing the mask would tie back to Billy and Stu since they were the ones doing the killing. Plus, if Billy and Stu were to implicate Roman, and if he was seen stalking Sydney then that would put a dent in his plans. But it’s just a theory.
i also thought that was Roman, and now that i think about it, if Billy was the one who killed Hembry then he was the one who strung him up the flagpole,he would have had an aliby for Tatum's death, since he obiviously showed up on the front porch, Tatum's killer went back through the house after she was killed. Why did no one see the killer?
Could be a back door.
The fact is that the retcon was made by Ehren Kruger, a writer brought on to make changes to Kevin Williamsons script after it was already submitted. He is the one that made Roman related to Sidney. That was never part of Williamsons story. So that means Roman wasn't in the first movie at all because he wasn't even thought of yet and was never part of the original plan. It's a fun theory and it would be eerie if that was the case but unfortunately it's just a theory. Loves the video! Been a subscriber for awhile and I look forward to everything you put out!
By watching the first scream movie back in 1996 . It was definitely Roman lurking in the woods watching Sidney and Tatum and at the supermarket . See the director of the film knows how to keep the original killer of the entire story and franchise in plain site. Roman was mostly was collecting information on his sister and what she knows of her mother .
Seems a bit like a reach
It wouldn't make ANY sense for Roman to be in Woodsboro during the events of Scream. He went to Woodsboro BEFORE Maureen died. He provided the motivation for Billy to kill Maureen. It would make most sense that he'd leave Woodsboro at that point so he couldn't be connected to Maureen's death. Also, he had NO IDEA that Billy & Stu would start murdering a year later. So why would he just happen to be in Woodsboro when they start their killing spree? It also makes zero sense that he would wear the Ghostface costume because, again, he had no idea they were doing this. And, again, he wouldn't want to be connected to the murders at all. Running around town in the killer's costume was pretty damn risky. So, yeah, it doesn't make any sense for Roman to be there. I want to reiterate: ROMAN HAD NO IDEA BILLY & STU WOULD GO ON A KILLING SPREE.
That's a plausible argument.
Even so Roman wouldn't have to worry about it because he wasn't physically involved
Yep. It’s a dumb thought. Roman has nothing to do with Billy and Stu going after Sid. He only cared about Maureen.
@@Sean-fu7ui Except, years later, he tries to kill Sidney himself. So yeah, there was definitely motive.
@@DeVoEse The motive being that she got famous for being a survivor and he wanted that fame. However, that didn't happen until AFTER the events of Scream. So, again, he had no reason to go after Sidney in that first film.
Sounds like a great theory to me , especially timing wise with where stu and billy were in the scene straight after. Would be interesting if they had him at Stu’s party to watching his plan in motion.
Roman never knew about their plans to have a killing spree. So the whole theory falls apart with that detail unfortunately.
@@Joker_JAK He set the idea in motion though and no reason why he couldn't have stayed around watching it all unfold. The only person that would of recognised him apart from Billy and Stu was already dead in Maureen Prescott and that was a year before they started their killing spree.
@@jamesrussell8746 Actually, there's plenty of reason not to stick around. He wouldn't want ANY connection to Maureen's death. So leaving before it happens would be smart. IF he did stay to make sure she's murdered, there is zero reason for him to stick around another year in Woodsboro. Also, Roman stated he had no idea they would go on a killing spree. So him being there during those events doesn't make any sense.
@@Joker_JAK Hey , point taken but killers can be liars. I still think its possible he was there.
@@jamesrussell8746 maybe he went back in the anniversary to admire how his plot and manipulation. He saw that there was a murder and probably deduced it was Stu and Billy and wanted to see Syd suffer. Just a possible thought.
Nah, Roman definitely isn't in the first Scream movie. This video is reaching and grasping for straws. I feel like you put wayyyy more thought into all this than the filmmakers even did. When they made the first Scream, Roman was not a character they had even conceived yet. Hell, even when Kevin Williamson was initially planning the third movie (before he dropped out), Roman still wasn't even a character. He wasn't even the original killer for Scream 3 (early drafts had it be a cult of Stab movie fanatics, as well as Stu Macher executing murder plans from prison). They thought of the character Roman pretty much on the fly and attempted to make it a twist ending, but it backfired because it was so random and out of left field. Even watching the movie, Roman is barely even there until the very end. It's pretty obvious they incorporated Roman super late in the game. So while it may be fun to go back to the first Scream and try to "look" for Roman, any potential "sighting" is entirely coincidental and circumstantial... you're just projecting your desire to make Scream 3 work better than it does and tricking yourself into thinking you're seeing Roman. He's not there. He didn't exist! The filmmakers literally could not have left an easter egg in a movie for a plot twist they didn't think of until years later.
I like Scream 3 for nostalgic purposes (I loved it when it first came out but I was also 10 years old lol), but let's face it- the movie is a hot freakin' mess. Roman is easily one of the worst killers. And the Roman/half brother/serial killer mastermind BS has so many plot holes. And the plot holes aren't resolved even *if* it was Roman stalking Sidney outside of Tatum's house and at the grocery store in the first movie. In fact, the plot holes get even worse! Lol
Plus, Roman isn't even mentioned in Scream 4, which I think is a sign the filmmakers knew they dropped the ball with Scream 3 and wanted people to forget about it. In Scream 4, when Jill and Charlie are revealed as the killers, they talk about how iconic Billy and Stu are, but there's NO mention of Roman at all. He's deliberately not mentioned.
Editing in 2023: he's also not mentioned in Scream 5 either. Just more Billy/Stu worshipping in that movie.
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They sell that costume at every five-and-dime in the state! I always just assumed it was more pranksters stalking Sidney, because of how focused the killers were on her.
I'll be back once I finish the video. I can not believe I saw this so early
update: you changed my view on Roman as a killer to an extent
Definitely makes sense! And if you look close in the grocery store when Sydney opens the freezer door to grab a snack, the snack says ROMANtic.
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I think realistically the first film just included those as scares or spooky elements. Roman was included after the fact.
Coincidentally the food in the freezer reads Romantica, where ghostface reflection is when Sydney and Tatum are shopping.
Billy and Stu planned out the events in Scream on their own, without Roman. He even says he had no idea they would make a film of their own.
I took the "film of their own" to refer to the Stab franchise.
@@paladin1385 The Stab franchise is based on Billy & Stu's killing spree. Therefore, when Roman said he had no idea they'd make a film of their own, he was referring to their killing spree.
Scream 3 as we got it was completely rewritten from Kevin Williamson’s treatment, and thus the character of Roman didn’t even exist at the time of Scream’s production.
New sub. Scream is one of my favorite horror franchise's of all time. It definitely saved the slasher genre. Great job homie, gotta go back and watch your older videos.
I think it was Billy or Stu. It was after they were released from school so those events could of taken place in the morning and then a few hours later in the store. Like you said, there’s really no time reference to go by
Scream 3 is my favorite out of the series..And in my opinion Roman was the most clever and calculated out of the Ghostface killers...
Since the original script for the third was different I’d say no but after the fact you can put it together that way
You also gotta remember roman bridger tied up the first three together perfectly in my opinion
for me this is one of the most interesting and plausible theories of the franchise, for me Roman in the first Scream is not just the Ghostface who chases Sidney and Tatum during the walk because Billy and Stu were video stores and because in the supermarket there was the word Romantica , he is also the Ghostface who stabs Billy and chases Sidney into Stu's house, because in the party scene he wanted to lend a hand to Billy and Stu, in the scene where Billy is in the bedroom on the floor after the stabbings, Roman and Stu they went into action, except that Stu is only the Ghostface behind Randy who is seen in the cameras, for the rest Roman did everything, and just before the scene between Randy and Stu who tell Sidney who the killer between the two was, he he ran away hiding his costume so as not to be noticed and never came back, he only did it to lend a hand, then for me in the initial scene of Casey and Steve's death, there are three klillers, Roman was the one who talked to Casey on the phone, Steve was getting stabbed by both Stu and Billy in order to be completely dismembered in that short time because otherwise it wouldn't be explained, while Casey was killed by Roman
That would cool. He could have also been in Scream 2 as a film student with Mickey. Giving him ideas to film the murders for Roman's movie.
I always liked to think that that was Roman slinking in the shadows and in the supermarket and behind the Riley's house...
Eh. Pointless debate. I’m just excited for the new movie and I hope none of the old dead characters return because it’s a new movie and not one of the old ones. If I wanted to see Stu again, I would watch part 1 again. I am excited to see where the franchise goes from here. An old character I could see returning is Joel from part 2, but only if the motivation was right and tied into the actual plot of the movie. If he were shoehorned in for nostalgia reasons it would ruin it. I would also like to see both Dewey and Hicks bite the bullet in this one. Have 3 of the new characters survive and let Sidney ride off into the sunset or something.
What if the whole Roman involvement is disproved in the new movie? Just a thought.
3 gets a bad rep. It’s WAY better than 4.
@@RyanEvanCordova I actually agree.
@@RyanEvanCordova thought i was the only one who thought that
I appreciate it's a fun thought to consider its Roman but he was nowhere near woodsboro at the time, he says that he had no idea Billy & Stu were going to make a movie of their own, all he did was give Billy a few pointers to kill Maureen & frame Cotton, I doubt Roman even met Stu because Billy would have roped Stu in after Roman left town
Roman ONLY masterminded the murder of Maureen… that’s it! He told Sidney he had no idea they would start the ghost face killings. That was all Billy and Stu!
And he didn't even mastermind Maureen's murder. All he did was provide Billy the motivation and told him to have a partner. Billy & Stu planned Maureen's murder. Stu even said "Watch a few movies. Take a few notes. It was fun." Which leads me to believe Billy and Stu planned all the murders themselves. I also think Roman left Woodsboro (permanently) before Maureen died so there wouldn't be any connection to him.
Well Roman sure did take all the credit at the end of 3 lol but Billy and Stu get full credit for ghostface👍🏻 I don’t like 3 as much but I definitely like how they tied Roman into being the killer at the end with who he was giving him a backstory. It made the movie a little better
this is the way i see it. i personally love that the original trilogy killers were all connected to the one incident. i think any of type of killer would have been weird even the original scream 3 script. the first one: maureen "broke" up the marriage. second: sidney killed "billy." third one: maureen left behind her child. i explained them kinda bad but you get the point. they are all connected in some way. i think to totally have a different motive/killer would have ruined it. the 4th one is great bc its a comment on the remakes happening in the 2000 and 2010s. so in that respect it didnt need to be tied to maureen. and the new one i assume is commenting on the new reboots happening like halloween. where you dont need to watch the sequels to know whats happening. i think now was the perfect time (i do think they could have waited for more halloween esque movie reboots to happen but its fine). i think the flow of the movies makes more sense looking at it from this point of view. a horror movie trilogy, a "remake", and a "reboot." and they all are commenting on the horror genre at its time. let me know what you guys think.
Why would Roman be in a Ghostface outfit? Sydney doesn't know of him so there is no reason to cover his face. It was simply a mistake by them filming and not paying attention to placement of Billy and Stu. You look into this too much
He expands the lore of the scream movies he doesn’t look too much into things at all as a scream fan I’m grateful for any addition info to link these movies together
It helps Billy’s alibi if another Ghostface shows up.
Yeah, aside from the fact that Roman didn't know Billy & Stu were going on a killing spree, the character of Roman didn't exist when Scream was made.
At the time of filming Scream I highly doubt it was supposed to be Roman. And as for the cut to the video store, as a viewer it threw us off thinking it was Billy or Stu, but who says it's not supposed to be ten minutes later. However... After Scream 3 it makes complete sense that this could be Roman. And that the video store scene was directly after Tatum and Sids chat. I think it's just happy coincidence.
It actually doesn't make ANY sense for it to be Roman. He told Sidney that he had no idea Billy & Stu were going to make a movie of their own. So he just happens to be in Woodsboro, wearing the EXACT costume they used, during the killing spree he knew nothing about? Makes zero sense.
@@Joker_JAK I totally get what you mean. We don't know how long after Billy seeing the video and Mrs Loomis moving out. Or if she had allready moved out and then Billy saw the video and made him snap. I'm going with the latter. But they then had to plot to kill Maureen. And then a whole year goes by before the Woodborough murders. Why would roman even be there? Unless... Billy said he was going to kill her to Roman. And they kept in touch. Roman might have been there just overseeing things. Lots of people were running around in ghostface masks. Maybe it was Roman, maybe it was somebody just goofing around.
@@ashleymason6310 But, as I said, Roman didn't know they were going to go on that spree. So he wouldn't have a reason to even be in Woodsboro. Sidney didn't become a target for him until she became famous for being a survivor.
@@Joker_JAK yeah he said he didn't know that's what they were going to do. And I believe he wasn't there... But just because I believe that doesn't make it true. They could have contacted him and said.... You know the first murder you helped us get away with... We've been watching a lot of movies this year... We are going to kill Sidney. And Roman could have been there in a flash. Even if not to be involved... But to guide them and manipulate them into not giving away his identity.
@@ashleymason6310 Except he said he had no idea they were planning to do that and literally had no reason to lie. In fact, had he been involved, I think he would have taunted Sidney with that info. So, no, he wasn't there. Aside from that, the character of Roman didn't exist when Scream was made. So it couldn't have been him anyway.
I doing think anyone thought of it at first.. I was always wondering if there was a 3rd person in the background in the first SCREAM
It’s a bit of a reach to say Roman is in the random Ghostface scenes in the first movie. If this is the direction it would have been easy to reshoot those scenes but from Roman’s POV. Like a close shot of him in the bushes looking over at Sydney and Tatum on the porch/and in the supermarket. Also nobody from Woodsboro would recognize Roman anyway so he shouldn’t have been all Ghostfaced up. It’s more likely that because 3 told us of his involvement since before the events of 1, that Roman was just thrown into those random scenes. So, if not Roman, what was their intended purpose originally? Deflection from Billy and Stu being killers. No one interacted with GF in those scenes, he may as well have not even been there, at least as far as the characters go. There’s a saying that goes “if you didn’t see them die, then they aren’t dead”, I think the same can be true in reverse, “if other characters didn’t interact in a whodunit, that scene sets up placement of 2 supposed different characters. If killer does some stuff and then it cuts to protagonist and least motive supporting characters, it’s gonna be one of them.”
i honestly think the random ghostface scenes (tatums house, the shop, even the bathroom chase with Sydney) are all just filler "scary" scenes so to speak. I dont think think they thought that deep in to the whole canon when they put those scenes in. Most likely just Wes Craven having fun with making the viewer feel un-eased.
I believe it was Roman in the woods and in the Supper Market. Also it was never confirmed that when Billy was in jail overnight people automatically assume Stu called Sidney from Tatum House when it could of also been Roman who called. For all we know Stu and Billy could of been doing the killings and Roman on the phone 📞
This is true but there are a few calls that just have Billy's tone and how he speaks. The first call for example at the beginning is deffo Billy
I liked thee idea on going back to the roots from the original I just wish they did it better
It's a good storyline actually. Roman was the true mastermind in the movies. It was perfect.
Ppl say someone in costume running around stalking in public was stupid. If it Roman he probably didn't know Billy was released yet so he could of thought he was helping Billy get out
Or Roman came up as a back up in case Billy got caught.
Except, that Roman had no idea Billy & Stu were going on a killing spree.
Roman & Stew are my number one and two favorite Ghostface killers. That said, I feel that the fans that dislike Roman do so because of their feelings for Billy, which is not being very objective.
A good trilogy ALWAYS connects the threads of connective tissue between the previous entries in the storyline and wraps in up as nicely as possible with a big bow of satisfying completion. SCREAM3 did just that. Hopefully, this next foray into the series will build on some of the things SCRE4M did & build on its own strengths. FINGERS CROSSED!!🤞🏿😄
I think the only person who would have the best answer for this would be Kevin Williamson. I’m pretty sure after writing Scream, he wrote at least an outline or treatment for the 2 & 3 because it was meant to be a trilogy anyway. I know that Aaron Krueger ultimately took over the script for 3, but still, I think if KW meant for there to be a mystery 3rd killer, it would’ve been the same killer for Scream 3 whether or not Roman’s character was the one KW had in mind. I have a feeling that Roman’s character probably didn’t exist in his original idea though.
As far as my personal take, I’ve had this on my mind for years. I’ve gone back and forth with it, sometimes believing it, sometimes not so much. But I think I like not knowing better because it gives me the freedom to believe whatever I want at the time that I’m watching and depending on my mood. Currently, I’m on the side of believing it is him.
Kevin's original idea for Scream 3 was for Stu to be the mastermind. He was going to have a following killing for him.
@@Joker_JAK I know
Intriguing. If this is true, my question would then be why did Roman wait to go after Sidney once Billy and Stu failed? Granted that question could be asked either way. He had anonymity on his side. No one would have seen him coming. The fan boy in me thinks that Roman might have been watching the chats in which Mickey and Mrs. Loomis found each other and decided that it'd be worth it to let them have a shot, but this obviously contrived and fan fictional as Roman has never displayed cleverness of this magnitude.
I told my friends along time ago that Roman was the one stalking Sydney and Tatum, and all these years later they still don't believe me.
i mean if they were both in the video store at that time, then it would pretty much have to be roman (unless there was a 4th killer out there they never told us about)
80s slasher used time jumps, which is a typical horror trope and scream paid homage to this but people today have made something out of nothing.
Id say Roman wasn't even a thought over the first 2 movies, until they had to tie up the trilogy in the third. But it does give it a different feel to put roman in those scenes.
I have a feeling that Roman was involved in Scream 2 also because he must have contact Billy's mom
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Honestly I just think it's mere coincidence that they show a person in the costume and it's either 'Billy' or 'Stu'. You said it yourself we have no idea what time of the day these events take place, and we certainly don't know how close either one of them were or weren't at said times! For me it doesn't make sense why 'Roman' would be there at all, he was to "direct" 'Billy' about 'Maureen' but that was it. I mean unless it was planned all along by 'Roman' and 'Billy' why would 'Roman' come back when he already tracked down 'Maureen' and was turned away and had 'Billy' kill her. He says in part 3 that he told 'Billy' "to get a partner to sell out just in case you get caught" so why come back and be anywhere near the crimes knowing 'Billy' knows all the details about him, plus even if he was there sneaking around without 'Billy/Stu' knowing it's way too risky on his part. Still.... it's a very cool and interesting idea though and a definite mind boggler! Oh and did you notice the name of the food in the coolers in the store scene? It was called 'ROMANTICA'! Very eerie indeed and quite the Easter egg!
It's definitely not Roman. Kevin's original film screenplays didn't have this Roman character later involved or existing during production of scream 1 or 2 they was filmed without any idea of that character. Even in Scream 3 the original idea was for Stu to come back but thanks to columbine the studio panicked and changed that so they had to make up some random Roman character. In my opinion he just sucks completely and comes off as a moaning brat more than anything who takes away all the specialness and originality Billy and Stu had. I usually skip Scream 3 myself it's so bad. Why anybody makes up these theories he's in Scream 1 is beyond me it doesn't even make sense why would he disguise himself as the killer and stalk Tatum and Sidney.. They wouldn't even know who he is or look familiar to them so he wouldn't even need to put of a ridiculous suspicious costume and go stalking in a super market and at the girls home whilst they have police security. Doesn't take a genius to work that one out
Maybe Roman Sidney’s half Brother only observed and stalked her from a far . But didnt know kill anyone in Scream 1. I think that Roman was in regular contact with Billy and Stu ( or only Billy) to help orchestrate his plan to kill Sydney . If Roman never kept in contact with Billy, then how was he able to use the same type of Costume and mask 😷 as Billy and Stu?
Roman was the only killer to work alone
Been the original mastermind and creator of the plan. Roman would of been watching over this to make sure Billy and stu do what was agreed. Roman for me would of deffo been watching Sydney.
The movie ties in with the Manson incidents ..
Roman like Roman Polanski, Bianca like La Bianca, in scream Drew berrymore is wearing a wig like in old Sharon pic. People commented that Drew looks like Tate and she is just like the the way Susan Atkins was going to kill Sharon Tate in completely off subject the producer to Romans movie stab shared the same name John Milton who was a poet that wrote Paradise Lost
I guess that this really depends on if Roman was planned during the production of the first film.
Make a valid point how else would roman have known specific details in order to make his stab movie like for instance sidney's bedroom the interior of her house and stu's unless he was actually there snooping around when she wasn't there i highly doubt Dewey would have gone into so much detail as he is like a big brother to sid and wants to protect her
I never understood where the whole theory came from, Roman even said that he had no idea that they would go on a killing spree so he would have had no reason to stay there a year later after Maureens death, but pretty good video though
Thank you! People seem to forget that detail. That's the only way that theory would work. With that detail, though, definitely not Roman.
@@Joker_JAK yup, I definitely do love the character Roman and I guess it's a fun theory to throw around but I never understood why people overlooked that one line "I had no idea that they would make a film of their own"
@@ethan6581_ Yes. I love all of the films. I have my own theory about a possible 3rd killer (or at least accomplice). I like Roman as a killer too and his reveal is actually my favorite of the series. I just think it's impossible for him to have been there during Scream.
scream 3 is my favorite movie, i was so surprised when i saw it was the most hated😭😭 such a great movie in my opinion
My issues with the 3rd one is mainly that it was all being done as they were filming. I mean the fourth film barely acknowledges anything of the 3rd film and my guess is that is intentional. Also I question Roman being in the first scream film. As Roman wasn’t even a thing at that point. I wish the tie in was stronger than they gave cause it’s tenuous at best. The original idea for 3 would have tied back to the first one way better.
Check out the part where gostfaces reflection shows in the market all the big capital R's on the boxes in the freezer ?? I wonder if thats an easter egg possibly maybe im reading to far into the theory but wes craven has alot of subliminals in the movie so makes me wonder
Well spotted 😱
The character of Roman hadn't been invented when Scream was made. Stu was the original mastermind of Scream 3 (with a cult following doing murders for him).
I believe that the GF in the supermarket and in the woods is indeed alive and he/she will be revealed in Scream 5(2022).
Even my Own one Theory About Roman in First Scream film, is When Sidney is attacked by Ghostface the first Time and I found that Roman might be under the mask while seeing Sydney the first time and wanted to get closer to her by killing her early, but got the better of him, and she got away from him but they would see each other later in Scream 3. That my own Theory and even the Theory of him Watching Sidney around town is awesome theory
I always assumed they were random teenagers in the costume in those scenes
I don’t know if anybody else have realised but when ghost face was in the bushes and when he killed the school principal those ghost face costumes are very similar with how the mask sits on his head to the start of the movie anyone get the drift??
I mean he did tell Sidney that he showed Billy a video of Maureen and his dad in the end of the third film during his reveal, and billy not being happy. The only way he could have done that was to actually be in Woodsboro at that exact time so I mean yeah I 100% have always believed he was there.
Not at that exact time. He showed Billy the video BEFORE Maureen died (a year earlier). He had no reason to be in Woodsboro during Billy & Stu's killing spree.
@@Joker_JAK yeah, true , true. He also said he had no idea they’d make a film of their own that slipped me.
@@m.s.rainey3382 Exactly. This theory just doesn't work.
@@Joker_JAK Yeah. It might just come to unfortunately timed and placed shots/edits too. The one at Tatum’s house made sense but the one at the grocery store always bugged me because at that point it was all over the news what he looked like, so I doubt he’d be able to noticeably stalk two girls in a clearly busy market with no one batting an eye lol.
@@m.s.rainey3382 Maybe people just figured it was a prankster since a killer couldn't possibly be THAT stupid, right?
I never even realized Ghostface was lurking in the woods .. wow that's very interesting
This is the only plausible explanation why does scenes exist in the first place
*clicks on video*
No!
*leaves video without watching it*
I guess I would go with it originally being Billy. However, this is a convenient part of the movie to add this retcon.
Scream 3 is good. The only thing bad about scream 3 is Courteney Cox's haircut
I definitely think that was Roman, I still think Roman had some type of influence on his cousin Jill. Wish there was more info involving Roman and Jill. If Maureen slammed the door in his face, whose to say he didn't visit his Aunt.
I've never had a problem with the Roman Bridger connection to the killing of Maureen Prescott and I don't think it really takes away from Billy or Stu, because they were far scarier than Roman imo, even if he did manipulate them etc. I also like the whole Hollywood backstory with Maureen and how it wrapped everything up, and it was probably the logical next step, to actually be on the set of a Stab Movie.
As far as Roman appearing in the first one, I personally don't think so. It could be anyone in the costume, but is probably there for comedy. I like how the franchise was never afraid to be a bit goofy, just look at Scream 3.
Being realistic, Roman probability had nothing to do with Scream 1. His character probably wasn’t even thought of until after Scream 2.
Movies are notorious for going back weaving story lines together. Even though “Stu & Billy” were the killers in Scream 1, other ppl dressed & acted as Ghostface..
He definitely wasn't since he wasn't even a Kevin Williamson creation. Ehren Kruger created the character for Scream 3. The original story for Scream 3 had Stu returning as the mastermind.
I’m just waiting for next year like 😩
Roman also said he had no idea Billy and STu wre going to do a killing spree...
I don't even think they had thought that far ahead when they did Scream 1 but i like the idea.
I've just noticed that first three Scream movie killers are all connected and they committed their murders because of Sidney's mother (Maureen Prescott) actions. Billy Loomis killed due to Sidney's mother affair with his dad, that caused his parents to get a divorce. Billy's mother killed due to Sidney's mother affair with her husband, which ultimately led to her son killing and getting killed eventually. Roman Bridger killed because he's the result of Sidney's mother having an affair with John Milton, who happened to be his dad. Which caused Sidney's mother to abandon him as a child.
People don't mention enough how Roman was directing Stab, to torment Sydney and keep the legacy of her mother's death alive...scream 3 was wild, like her being haunted by the ghost of her mom...was that in her head or was that Roman. Scream 4 killed the original spark of creativity this franchise had by bringing in a bunch of lame unnecessary new characters and taking away from diving deeper into the lore...I'm suppose to believe a scrawny 90 pound boy and Julia Robert's little niece killed grown men, give me a break. Kirby was an awful character and ppl hype her up just cause compared to everyone else's awful acting she looks Oscar worthy. don't @ me I don't know why I'm even commenting
I completely agree with you
The visions/audio hallucinations of her mother at the cabin couldn't be Roman, since the entire point of the plot was to draw her out of hiding. Either way, it was by far the worst part of the movie and I'd love a version of it that completely cuts out 'Ghost Mom'.
Totally agree with you. I love Scream 3.
I hope this theory is true that way it makes those scenes make sense and not be a negative point of the movie
Super market was billy in my opinion Sidney’s backyard. Romn
I think it could be cannon now, but what was the point for Roman to be dressed up? No one knows him and Sidney didn't even see him, so scaring her wasn't the reason.
I think Roman had no idea about the ghostface costume after the events from the first movie 👻🔪
5:49 the item in freezer literally says Roman, as he appears.
Just a coincidence.
@@Joker_JAK there is no such thing. 🤡
I think they were pranksters. Ghostface is Billy’s and Stu’s brainchild. Roman lead Billy to killing, but he just showed him a video, and gave a few pointers, or manipulate Billy towards revenge. Roman says himself “I didn’t know they would make their own movie”
It’s a bit of a stretch. I highly doubt Roman and Scream 3 was already an existing character/script in Wes and Kevin’s minds during the making of the first movie.
Especially since Ehren Kruger is the one who created Roman for Scream 3.
Great video but it couldn't be Roman. I am sure this has been mentioned but Scream 3 wasn't written by Williamson and the character of Roman wasn't either. Williamson couldn't have put in a character created by someone else in the future. I have also felt that Roman wasn't exactly truthfully either.
I dont think it was Roman. He had no reason to disguise himself as sidney and nobody else in that town knew who he was. More likely this was students joking around like the others at school earlier in the film
It was high school kids dressed up running around. Just like the one in the stall. Just like the one running down the hall past Stu and company. Scream 1 was all about red hearings. It teased Dewey, the sheriff, randy, her dad. It teased that normal people could be the killer alongside showing killers that were actually normal people. It throws us completely off guessing who is the real killer.
And yes Roman was a cop out plot tie up in scream 3. If it wasn’t the fact that it was 21 years ago and only 4 after the original that canon would be thrown out. He served nothing. “I hated my mom. So I told another kid who hated her too to kill her.” That is completely unnecessary. It DOES take away from Billy. Billy was way more psychotic, damaged, and believable. Roman is just some nerd that popped up at the end of 3 and said “hi I’m your brother. I hate you. So I planned everything.” Sidney kills him too and we’re good for 11 years.
If Sidney doesn’t know what he looks like or that he exists why would Roman be running around in the outfit in broad daylight? Impersonators were shown to show how the slasher style murders can make everyone desensitized and crazier than normal due to having seen so many horror movies.
Why would he have to wear the mask and suit. No one knew who he was. The supermarket and woods were just people joking around. Like the kids in school and the bathroom scene.