STU WAS THE CRAZIEST GHOSTFACE?! | FULL KILLER ANAYLSIS | SCREAM (1996)
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- Continuing my analysis of the Scream serial killers, I decided to do Stu Macher next. Interestingly, Stu is a character that had little motive for killing. Making him the hardest, yet most interesting killer to analyse in the Scream universe. Still, after my assessment I've found some categories he can be linked to.
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Stu killed because, lets face it, Sidneys mom was NO SHARON STONE
Literally made my day
Liver alone!
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Oh my god, that joke is so unfunny, just liver it alone man
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Stu looked just as shocked as Sidney when Billy revealed his motive. I was with you until you overlooked that.
I know, right?
When Billy tells Sidney, Stu has this shocked look on his face like: "Whaaaaaat? Dude... Seriously?"
I always felt Stu didn't know the whole story.
Great observation🧤
Llll
STU MACHER DIED
HE WAS STABBED 4 TIMES IN THE ABDOMINAL.
HAD A PLUGGED IN 60KG+ TELEVISION DROPPED ON HIS HEAD.
I think he was just shocked that Billy had a motivevin the first place. It's not like he cares about Billy anyway.
The movie made it pretty clear that Stu had no idea of Billy's real motive behind the murders. His loyalty to Billy seems to be the result of a kind of affection and validation he found from Billy which he was lacking from his parents.
Billy Loomis was a mission oriented killer. He had an exact motive and goal in mind. He was seeking revenge. Stu was the thrill killer. He did it to get his kicks. It wasn't until things went awry and he was asked by Sydney about what he was going to tell the police. The peer pressure line was an obvious lie he was going to try to use to absolve himself of guilt. Stu did it for jollies, Billy had a goal in mind.
I don’t think u paid attention to what mission killers are. In his last video there was genuine footage to show how thrill killers behave during their kills and the analysis he did matched billy perfectly. Plus mission killers he said tend to think they’re killing for a higher power
"T H A N K Y O U! I agree with you."
"There's always some stupid bull shit reason to kill your girlfriend." Randy talking to Stu who had 2✌of his girlfriends killed in 1 movie.
"Better liver alone Ray... LIVER HER ALONE! 😂AHAHA... WHAT? Liver, liver... it was a joke."
The joke killer.
Um...nope.
@@patrickdempsy14 He said _Visionary killers_ often killed for a higher power. In my opinion, Billy is mix of Mission Orientated and a Thrill Killer.
Misison killers are people who target specific groups of people and havea higher goal in mind. A mission. Think about a alt right killer who targets muslims because he thinks they are taking over the west his mission is to stop the muslim's.. Billy doesn't target specific groups
i believe stu was a follower who initially followed Billy out of some sick admiration then found he actually enjoyed killing and I always said Billy killed out of rage while stu was a thrill killer
Nah remember when Billy killed stus girlfriend and was playing around with her before killing her. He definitely enjoyed it too he just had more motive to start it off
Why does everyone take the “peer pressure” thing so seriously? I’ve always felt and assumed that he was fucking around and saying it jokingly cus he’s just straight insane and killed just to kill with Billy.
SAME HERE!!
I agree, but only to an extent. I think the line is mostly meant as a joke, but it is also accurate for Stu’a character, I think. I mean, what other explanation do we really have for why he’s murdering people since he has no clear motive and none is ever provided? Personally, I’ve always thought the “peer pressure” line was meant to sort of illustrate BOTH that Stu mostly went along with this because of Billy’s influence and that Stu is ultimately just a scared little weasel who wants to play the victim to avoid consequences for his actions. I also think he’s more psychotic than many people-including the Beyond the Mask guy-seem to think, because I think he really did get caught up in the thrill of savagely murdering people with no thought whatsoever for the humanity or his victims or the real-world consequences of his actions, leading him to basically fall apart at the end when he realized things weren’t going to end the way he’d always fantasized they would (i.e. he wouldn’t have to endure much pain, their plan would go absolutely perfectly with no mishaps, and he would never be in any danger whatsoever of facing any consequences). Ultimately, Stu is just a coward who met the exactly wrong person at the worst time to turn him into a psychotic killer.
@@samanthawerth2181 yeah, I agree. Thats what I mean
I thought the same shit. I hope scream 5 gives Stu a motive
Yeah. Billy and Stu both planned to blame the other for their crimes if they were caught. Billy would pin it all on Stu and Stu would say he was forced to kill by Billy.
Stu didn't know the actual reason why Billy wanted to kill Sidney. That's why his face was so confused when he heard Billy's motive. Matthew Lillard said the same thing.
Weird I'd very easily set Stu in the "Thrill seeker" category. His loyalty to Billy only made it easier for him. He's jittery, Energetic, he's totally erratic and getting off on the reactions of everyone around him.
Stu looked up to billy cause he probably defended him from bullies at one point and they became best friends, they were alot like Eric Harris and Dylan klebold
YES! I see soooo many similarities between Billy/Stu and Eric/Dylan I find it creepy…what’s even weirder is that Scream came out before Columbine happened.
Stu is not a loyalty killer he killed for the thrill and you can tell by the look on his face how shocked he was to figure out Billy’s motive which is clearly telling us that he didn’t have one he only killed just for the thrill of killing and now that Billy is clearly dead he can’t kill for loyalty anymore so whenever he comes back he will be a 100% thrill killer
Stu didn’t know the true motive for Billy’s killings. When billy talks about Maureen sleeping with his dad causing his mom to leave and abandon him (billy), Stu is surprised because he didn’t know that.
Stu is still my favorite killer, mainly because of Matthew Lillard’s performance. I’m so hoping that the theory that he didn’t actually die and is the killer in Scream 5 is true. They were back in his house in the trailer. A girl can dream, right? 🤞
Scream six maybe?
Seven...? There are rumors of him being in the next one. While I would LOVE to see Lillard back in any capacity, how they have been treating Ulrich in the last two gives me pause.
In the video store scene, Randy was talking about dumb motives to killing your gf. Stu was intrigued by what Randy had to say on the subject. Then his girl was killed at the party. Probably by Billy, and I'm guessing Stu was suppose to kill Sidney in return. Cause the whole scene where Billy fakes getting stabbed. Problems arised in their plan, so Billy had to pretend he was still alive, barely able to help. Also, in the beginning, Stu and the group were talking to each other and Stu talks about gutting, in a way that seems like he is driving enjoyment out of the topic. He also talks about how it takes a man to do murder, so the killer has to be a man. Low key I feel like he was bragging about how "manly" he is. Which begs the point, why would he feel the need to prove himself as a man? And why does he feel murder is the way to do it? I feel like his ex made him feel like less of a man. For leaving him for a Jock. I don't think he cared about being dumped, but more along the lines of who he was dumped for. I also feel, when he says "peer pressure" there is truth in his joke. Its not so much Billy forcing him to kill, it's more the people around him, forced him to kill. His ex, the jock, his current girlfriend that wouldn't let him touch her without telling him to chill, the parents that never seem to be around on screen. Even billy's dad showed up. And his mother for revenge on part 2. Stu seemed like the charismatic loner, he was able to be the life of the party but couldn't find someone to be there as he was himself. Not even Billy was there for him when he was bleeding out. I don't think Stu was loyal, I believe he was desperate for a true bond. Sadly, he thought he had that with his friend Billy. But Billy only had one thing in mind. Even when he comes after Sid, just before the tv to the head. He says, "I always had a thing for you Sid". We know Billy got with Sid to be closer to his enemy. But knowing this, it must mean Stu want to be close to Sid. Not because of revenge but because he saw Sid as an ideal girlfriend. Of course he had to let Billy get with her do to his situation. But even so, he feels that Sid should know this before he kills her, which ended up being his downfall.
You worded this perfectly wow
@@evats2007 Thank you, I've watched this movie so many times. Just so I can get a handle on Stu. This channel definitely got Billy spot on. I was gonna watch Billy next and try to get a handle on him too. But the guy on this channel did it already. I say he is 100% accurate on Billy. Especially during the scene when Billy and Stu were stabbing each other. You can see how Billy demands the upper hand. And gets some kind of enjoyment from his partner's suffering. People like to blame Stu for the whole plan going backwards. But I feel it's a combination of both Stu and Billy. Billy getting too knife happy with Stu put Stu into a weak state and Stu leaving Sid unattended was an obvious mess up. Most likely caused by Stu's need for a bond with Billy. Which is also why Stu suggested him and Billy "Make a sequel".
You have reinforced what I have also been saying about Stuart Macher’s secret motivations for quite some time now, fam!
I caught onto that last line he said to Sidney. Also like you, I was NEVER sold on the “peer pressure” line. But, that line speaks to how quick witted and intellectually astute Stu REALLY Is. He ain’t some goofy henchman to Billy Loomis, like many tend to think.
Although he wasn’t the mastermind behind the death of Maureen Prescott, it could be argued that nearly EVERYONE ELSE killed with the notable exception of Neil Prescott (He was needed for a patsy) and arguably Gale Weathers and Kenny (wrong place, wrong time) was someone that Stu HIMSELF wanted dead_ just look at the list of actual & potential victims (Randy) that were targeted in the first SCREAM. All of em’ are somebody that Stu could have wanted dead, whereas, Billy was just gunning for the BIG PRIZE: SIDNEY!!! …That was Billy’s downfall, as Sidney Prescott has gone on to become one of the SCREAM SERIES most prolific serial killers.
@@marionhope7506 oh yea, big time. I feel Stu wanted Billy to feel like he was the one in control. Stu really needed a buddy to kill with. I feel if they killed Sid, Stu would have talked Billy into murdering more people beyond his goal of killing Sid.
@@poltblissofficial8336 Completely agree!!
…Maaaaybe that’s what is in store for us diehard fan with SCREAM 2022?!?🤔 FINGERS CROSSED!!!🤞🏿😆…🙏🏿😔
I think the fact that Billy and Stu chose Casey and Steve for their next victims says a lot about their arrangement. They could've chosen anyone to start their anniversary killing spree with, and they just happen to pick Stu's ex and the guy she dumped him for? The only connection to Sid is that Casey sits next to her in class. Well, Sid has 6 classes and 2 sides, so there's like 11 other people they could've gone with.
Billy showed up at Sid's before they kidnapped her dad, but after they killed Casey and Steve. If Sid had caved in and had sex with Billy that night maybe they would've cancelled the rest of the plan since both of them had already gotten what they wanted. Casey and Steve were killed a few days before Maureen's anniversary, so the two probably wouldn't have been connected if they'd stopped right there.
I don't believe Stus reason for killing because he agreed with Billy's revenge plot.. I say this because when Billy revealed his motive for killing Maureen (affair with his dad) Stu looked genuinely shocked to hear this as if he hadn't heard it before
Stu's character is deliberately vague and the lack of motive is intentional. I think the idea behind Stu is that sometimes not having a motive and killing for killing sake is the most scariest of reasons. Billy got pleasure from the killings and also was seeking revenge. We can conceptualise this and empathise with him. Whereas we just can't understand why Stu went along with the acts. Making him the most terrifying. Also the quote "peer pressure" this is ment ironically and isn't a genuine answer. If you focus on his facial expressions he is confused and literally is saying the first thing in his mind. He doesn't know why he did it and tries to give any reason. This supports the the idea that he has no motive and doesn't know why he took part.
You make some good points that I agree with and have also been on record stating: 1. Stuart is vague on purpose. 2. The vagueness is a subtle and well intended facade.
Now, having said that, here is where I disagree. You stated having the belief that Stu appears clueless (for lack of a better comparison) when he offered Sidney the “peer pressure” line. But I do not buy his retort now that I am older and have watched SCREAM to death along the lines that, this particular line speaks to how clever Stuart REALLY is. Let us not forget, that it was ADMITTEDLY Stu’s idea to kidnap Neil Prescott and clone his cellphone and in the process kill him and frame him for ALL the murders. But with the exception of Sidney’s dad & arguably Gale Weathers and Kenny (wrong place, wrong time) EVERYONE ELSE is someone that Stu wanted dead. Billy Loomis seems to have ONLY had eyes for Sidney!! …Which, invariably costed him his entire life, since SINDEY PRESCOTT has gone onto becoming the most prolific serial killer in the SCREAM/STAB universe.
Sidney: Stu Stu what's your motive?
Stu: Pure pressure
Peer*
There were clear signs that Stu not only knew about all the killings from Maureen Prescott to his “ending” in the first movie. He was just a kid who found someone to give him the real attention he was seeking.
It's really cool that you've stuck to your guns with this channel. You clearly love the Scream franchise and its dope that you've made a channel based only around that.
Also, to have it last as long as it has with uploads as often as they are without straying or morphing into something else to get more views/subs.
(Cause, let's face it, a channel based around only the Scream franchise is kinda niche lol)
It's just really dope and kinda inspiring. Keep it up, dude! Im enjoying it, and it's clear you are as well.
Thank you so much! Comments like this make all the more worth while 👍🏻
@@BeyondTheMask can you do Mickey and Mrs loomis and Roman and Jill and Amber and Ritchie
I believe Stu was simply a psychopath that found killing very fun and funny and he didn't need motivation because he enjoyed the sport of killing. He enjoyed making the town panic and wonder who the killer is and he also found it to be hilarious as you see him laughing at the fake ghost face in school and Stu making twisted jokes about Casey's death.
Stu did not know about Billys motive. You can tell by the look on his face when Billy mentioned it to Sid.
i've never even considered that people took stu's peer pressure line seriously cause to me it's always been so clear that his motivations were way more aligned with his love and obsession with billy. matthew lillard himself thinks stu's gay and heavily motivated by this need to prove his loyalty and love, so i'm always gonna go with that! great analysis, dude!!!
I actually think it would be really interesting if Scream 5 would be Gale interviewing Stu in jail to write about the makings and meaning behind a killer for a new book sale. We see Gale struggling in her career in later films and if Scream 5 IS flash backing to the first one it would tie it in without being like “Oh hey! There’s ANOTHER secret killer behind everything!” And it would bring back the original idea of having had Stu survive.
Stu was great. Hope to see him return in Scream 5.
Scream six maybe
I think Stu was just trying to prove his worth to Billy
Yea me to
Nah, he definitely liked killing people and was doing it for fun.
Believe it or not, Stu showed some remorse as he was dying....he was the only ghostface to show some guilt before he died.
Before, or after saying Sid is biyach for defending herself? 😂
I think Matthew Lillard brought so much to Stu's character. When I think about how Stu was originally written, the character was more similar to Charlie. And I think Charlie was such a let down, he has such vacant stares when he's on screen. On rewatch, I can see how he's smirking slightly but I honestly thought Charlie was such a throw-away character. Stu was fantastic and there hasn't been another character even close to him yet.
Great assessments! I can’t wait to listen to your future ones as well.
I don't know how you get pressured to be a killer I'm sure Stu questioned Billy of murdering people and probably rejected Billy in help killing Maureen but he end up being pressured I don't know how Billy probably would blackmail or exposed Stu in something but then Stu end up liking killing people.
He likely wasn't pressured. Or at least he didn't need pushed too hard. It likely started as a joke one made to the other. Something along the lines of "haha here's how I'd get away with it" while watching some horror movie (remember, the whole friend group had a predilection to horror films, save for Syd) and it likely evolved from there. I don't doubt one bit that stu was present for and active in the plan to kill Maureen, whether or not he knew Billy's whole motivation for doing so. He helps billy with this kill, he gets help with killing his ex. I never believed that stu was the sad puppy dog follower to billy.
All we can go by with Stu is he was pressured into killing by Billy since he also said he's sensitive so Billy easily manipulated Stu he is the only Ghostface we really don't know to much about being Ghostface or how it went down.
@@LundenVagrant Same. When I was little, I thought like a lotta people that Stu was just going along with Billy. But now that I am older & more observant I tend to feel that Stu is a lot DEEPER than previously perceived.
He seems to be an abandoned, spoiled & bored rich kid that may have had DEEP seeded psychological issues that were left unchecked and left to swim around & stew in his head for a while. Of course that is until the plot was given to him by Billy (through Roman Bridger) to act on his dark impulses. From there, a bloodlust was unlocked in Stuart Macher, as evidenced in his killing of BOTH of his ex girlfriends👯♀️, covertly finding out what Randy had figured out in the video store, and his subsequent plot to get rid of Randy at his party. Not to mention, it was admittedly Stu’s plan to clone Sidney’s dad’s cellphone and kidnap him to frame the murders on. Lastly, his house was to be the STAGING GROUND for ALL the deaths to take place. It was like herding senseless sheep🐑 to the slaughterhouse.
In my book, Stu is way more INVOLVED & EVOLVED in the SCREAM series than most think!
…But then again, he could just be homo-repressed & obsessed with Billy Loomis & was merely trying to kill all the competition and lingering loose-ends in his way…???🤔
@@NoName-nb5nm Nah, step aside for the FLEX!!💪🏻😔 Stu’s reasonings for rocking the GHOSTFACE mask go hard AF & it can be alluded that his TRUE motives maybe run DEEPER than Billy’s.
Billy Loomis’s motive is pretty raw & surface-level, thus easy to relate_ But Stu’s?!! …Don’t tell me that you bought the “peer pressure” excuse?🤨
Now, that I’m all grown up & have digested the first SCREAM a COUNTLESS number of times, I feel that there’s a subtlety implied in the things that Stuart Macher goes about doing_ He’s elusive like that! Just like Dwight Riley, dig?✌🏿😎
@@marionhope7506 We will never know Stu the only Ghostface we don't know why he insisted Billy in killing even if it is peer pressure but it's more than that.
I agree I think Stu was a mission and loyal killer because his motive was definitely to Billy and his motive for killing. I do believe Stu loved Billy which is another reason he stood behind him on these killings. Stu is a psychotic sociopath. He knew what he was doing was wrong but did it anyway all for Billy.
sometimes we have to kill, but, our real job is staying alive. "then we get to carry on and plan the sequel, cause let's face it, these days... you gotta have a sequel!!" 🤣 #stumacher #themissionisclear
"YEAH BABY! GET IT UP!!! GET UP, GET UP BABY YEAHHHH!!!!!"
"Oh shit... My turn." 🔪
"Oh, I'm sorry Billy. I guess I got a little too zealous huh?"
@@JMoviesMedia 🤣 i even think i forgot that last "fuck you" from roman last time.
@@ubzSSI guess. 🤣
Pretty sure Stu was just Mentally Obsessed with Billy and Billy decided to Take advantage of it
I hope scream 5 gives Stu a motive
Great job on the assessment of stu. I believe stu to be a sociopath and I think he had the most kills in the movie. Stu killed Steve while Billy was on the phone with casey, and stu also killed casey, tatum and Billy killed the principal and the news camera man.. looking forward to the other videos. Especially jill and Mickey.
I think Billy was the one who killed Casey (Noticed how the Killer hold the knife)
@@zackyvwasin339 Yup and notice how Casey's killer attempted to strangle her during their tussle. Same thing Billy did to Sid at the end.
Tatum claimed it couldnt be Stu because he was with her the whole night. Also, (Took me after the 20th time, to realize it) you can actually tell who's in the costume at any given time. Billy moves methodically, with purpose and is goal oriented. Whereas with Stu, when he's in the costume, he's almost clumsy, as though he's winging it, or making it up as he goes along.
Two big scenes to contrast the two, are Billy in the Casey scene and Stu in the Tatum scene. Wheb you see what Im referring to, it almost seems obvious who is in the costume. Like Billy with the principal and Stu sneaking around the conveinence store.
Dude, Stu was obviously a thrill killer. The way he speaks bout gutting someone and his overall personality tells you all you need to know. I think he was seeking atention, then Billy, the one who gave him the atention, convinced him, maybe even presured him, to help him kill Sidney's mom and he liked it. Billy is a mission oriented killer, why would he want to kill Sidney particullary if not?, though he also enjoys it.
In my opinion it was Peer pressure but he was also crazy. Also I don't think stu loved billy because he said that he had a thing for sidney and his relationship with tatum wasn't fake he may loved her
He literally tells you in the movie why he was helping Billy. Pay attention to Sid In Stu attic in the movie. He has dolls hanging by the neck. Looks like they've been there awhile
I agree child phychopathic tendencies maybe and he snapped after Casey dumped him for Steve and was pressured by Billy too
where did he say why he was helping billy again? except peer pressure he says nothing which is why this analysis is a gr8 way to read more about what type of killer stu was 🤷🏻♂️
@@patrickdempsy14 no I'm assuming he helped Billy if he agreed to kill Casey and Steve after they had murdered Maureen presscott.
If anyone was a third killer I believe it wouldn’t have been Dewey . I think Tatum is the most likely third killer mostly because she mentioned wanting to be in the sequel. Billy and stu planned a sequel. She wasn’t scared until she was physically attacked I think she thought she was safe being part of the plan . Reason word be similar to Jill and be jealousy of Sidney. Doesn’t help that she also played a killer in jawbreaker
I knew it was them two when I watched it when I was 12 years old in the movie theater but something in my mind also wanted it to be Billy and Tatum talk about the ultimate betrayal
Literally just finished watching Scream
I love psychology especially applying it to movies like scream or Halloween lol
I think you meant he enjoys outsmarting, outwitting and hedonistic ally get pleasure out of winning, and pleasure hit of suspense, rather than all being about terror or fear being illicited and protracted in their victims. That part is control and power.
Him and amber seem the craziest
That picture is that shaggy omg
Vibes
Beyond the mask deserves more subs and views
I wish we could go back and do Maureen’s story like everything she went though
oh, no, stu is obviously the thrill killer of the two. look at how he is repeatedly shown to have a particular interest in desecration of the bodies, both with casey and with the camera man. there is nothing efficient about it. also, I think it's important to note a sexual aspect in his motivation: two of his victims (if you count tatum as his kill, which I do) are women he dated, both blonde and sexually attractive. he is also noted to be fascinated with lee curtis for the same reason ("of course she's a scream queen, with that pair of lungs" [breasts]). he is there to have fun. he is there to put the liver in the mail box. if anything, billy was simply using his influence over an already violent individual for his purposes
I think stu is just one of those people who just can't help but mimic and try to mirror others subconsciously out of a desire to be liked and accepted and billy was his best friend the more time they spend together the more stu probably started to mirror his desires and I doubt he even noticed the change I always thought the "it was peer pressure" line was a joke and I think stu meant it as one but I think he was right on the nose the difference in billy an stu I think is that if stu wasn't around or billy had different friends he probably would have ended up still committing all the killings but I think without billy stu would have just lived a mostly normal life
I would say he was more Thriller killer than a Loyalty killer The least being mission killer style.
I say thriller killer because he has trouble not showing his euphoric high after the Deaths. The loyalty is submitting to Billy‘s commands & continuing with Billy‘s mission. Which is essentially to punish Sydney‘s family along with people they see as maureens in the making.
Stu is the Marcy fox to Billy’s Courtney . A follower
Can you do Billy, Mickey; Debbie; Roman and Amber and Ritchie
i do think loyalty played a big part in the reason Stu killed. so on that i agree. but i think Stu was over-exaggering the "peer pressure" motive
is there a book i can read that say evryting about all type of killers?
Wasn't Casey the second victim behind her boyfriend Stephen; Stu's Ex- Girlfriend? I would say he definitely had a mission & motives to help Billy out & gain his own benefits from it as well
Yeah, Stu was doing some heavy duty purging. These days I’d go as far to say that the death of Maureen Prescott was given to him and Billy, but EVERYTHING ELSE (save for killing Sidney) could have EASILY been Stu going off the rails with his desire to get rid of some particular people. ONLY Sidney’s dad (& arguably Gale Weathers & poor Kenny, RIP) was collateral and admittedly chosen by Stuart to be the fall-guy for ALL the victims he had planned to get rid of at his house in one blood soaked killing spree! 🏠
Sounds like Stu is a hybrid serial killer
I think it's a mix of the thrill an popularity of it u know like I think stu got off on everyone talking about how brutal the murders was u know like almost like a sense of pride u know wat I mean
Obviously I disagree with the assessment. You're being too clinical and some would say too analytical. We can agree he was vague. Nonetheless, being Stu had ✌2 girlfriends killed in one movie, took joy in killing principal Hembrey, slashed Kenny's throat and thought about killing Randy, and stabbed Dewey it's clear that Stu was motivated by something but he was also getting a thrill out of it by making jokes throughout the movie. Therefore he was doing it for to feel something and joke about. He thought it was a game.
"Except Billy and me we were left for dead to plan the sequel because let's face it these days you gotta have a sequel!"
Can anyone tell me the other book of psychology he read this from at 5:46?
So am I the only person who’s always thought Stu didn’t know the backstory about Sidney’s mom and Billy’s dad? Doesn’t it seem like, when they cut to Stu when Billy is telling Sidney about it, he looks like this is the first time he’s hearing about it? I’ve always thought so.
Absolutely, that is a look of surprise on Stu's face. Billy got Stu to help simply through the concept of them killing their peers and basing it around the style and rules of slasher movies. That (and the intimate time this meant between the two of them) was all Stu needed to agree.
You misspelled analysis in the title (You spelled it ANAYLSIS). Also, the infographic used at 2:59 misspelled "Occasionally" (It spelled it OCCAISIONALLY)
I think instead of trying to continue the Scream series they should have just made a Stab movie. Start with a cameo of the Scream actors watching the movie. That way they can continue the Scream franchise without beating a dead horse.
Matthew Lillard looks remarkably like Andrew McCarthy who u may know from Weekend and Bernies and Pretty in Pink.
Stu looks like a stepdad
As soon as they thought they killed everybody Billy Woulda killed stu
Fun fact: Joaquin Phoenix was offered the role of Billy and turned it down.
IMHO, Billy always intended to kill Stu as well. No witnesses.
Stu. Was a thrill killer my guy.
Ik people think stu was gay but why did he tell Sidney he always had a thing for her before he "died"
It’s easy it was peer pressure he was far too sensitive
I believe billy was a brother to Stu
Or he feared Billy ?!
First stu helped kill sydneys mom so then billy helped stu kill his ex girlfriend and they went from there
He had motive for ex girlfriend and her boyfriend. He looks at Billy like he's love with him. Maybe he seen a future with him after syd Red and they got away with it lol.
He seems like he's getting a thrill out of killing and messing with people like he was saying to syd. He had a mission with killing his ex girlfriend and her boyfriend and current girlfriend lol. Due to loyalty to billy kill everyone and like he said plan the sequel which would be him and billy together. This ain't a horror movie its a love story lol.
After watching Scream 5, it’s safe to say Amber is definitely the craziest.
I definitely can agree that Stu Macher fits in multiple categories, thrill killer and loyalty seem most likely. I don't see him as a mission killer.
Stu was not the "mastermind" of the original killing but he more than likely was not that "peer pressured" into helping Billy either. He seemed to be a neglected rich kid who idolized Billy in a way and wanted his approval, but he also was clearly someone who was not above revenge killing for his own gains. As others have mentioned 3 of the ppl killed were directly related to Stu Macher and his romantic relationships and that could not have been by accident.
Everyone else was just collateral damage with the exception of Randy and Sid. Sid for obvious reasons and Randy because he had already ID'd both Stu and Billy as the killers at seperate points both jokingly and seriously, before we even got to the climax.
Livhim alone man
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You can recontextualize this entire film to make Stu a master manipulator that exploited Billy's narcissism and underlying sadistic urges.
Stu's parents are missing the entire movie leaving plenty of time for extracurricular studies. His ex is the first victim showing he had the idea and the premeditation and he also kills his current girlfriend, Tatum. You could assume most of the kills are Stu due to the voice on the phone being far enough away to shout, never grunts, as well as how suave the caller is throughout. Billy is the talker, that should be obvious.
Stu is also emotionally explotative when he says things like his parents being mad (he's genuinely worried about them hating him but also hoping it stirs something in Sid), when they taunt Randy in the video store he's watching Billy's reaction (getting genuine enjoyment out of pleasing his friend while reliving his work moreso than making Randy uncomfortable), and he even tries to appeal to the daughter of his victim, and soon to be victim, the logic of why they killed her mother. (Seeking validation)
When people say they take his line "peer pressure" as motive, i find that laughable. He duped you into believing that crock of shit. He showed initiative, forethought, and enthusiasm. There's zero chance he was convinced by his greaser pal to go on a killing spree without having thought about it prior to the conversation.
All that being said, Stu ain't coming back.
I've said Stu actually was the mastermind, we assume he is because billy "seems" in charge, that seems like a ploy by Stu, serial killers aren't the typical "loner"
Stu was the "life of the party" every male serial killer was described as very social , as Stu was, Billy was the loner, the Emo kid , I believe Stu took advantage of that fact billy was pissed at Maureen for breaking up the family and was manipulating him from the start
Look at the how Stu is hoovering over Billy that showed me Stu was in charge...like he's emasculating him as a taunt to Sidney..
Billy is the unhinged unstable serial killer, the quick slasher... Stu also comes off as a sadomasochistic who gets off on getting physically hurt (their stabbing scene) and get off on physically harming people, Billy wants to see his victims die painfully but ,Stu gets a high off it ...
Stu holds both hands on the knife like he's getting a high off it
Billy kills with rage and malice he raises one hand plus he chokes his victims
Stu is the one who cuts them open (he even subtly shows this when he describes how Casey was cut open) while he's smiling , Billy isn't smiling if he was the thrill seeking killer Billy would be smiling, this is shown when they're revealed, Stu is smiling with glee while Billy is Stone faced, cold and still a loner
Now Stu's shocked look was in my opinion him being like "Wtf you're telling her the plan we're fucked"
Even Wes Craven stated Stu was just as much apart of the plans as Billy and was trying to use the "sympathy" act cause he had a "thing" for Sidney
I always got the sense that Billy and Stu didn't mean to become seriel killers to begin with. They probably killed Sidneys mother thinking it would be enough for Billy but as time went on, Billy's rage never went away and Stus bloodlust got stronger so both of them probably got together and enjoyed talking about the killing so much, they decide a year later to do if again and I think Stu was the one to convince Billy in this scenario since it was his Ex GF they kill.
The reason for their love for movies is I genuinely believe that since killing Maureen Prescott, they started watching horror movies together just as a thrill since it reminded them of the killing and that's how they got their ideas.
We use to see guys like that growing up. A guy had some loyalty towards a guy in a group of guys that even made others question his sexuality. Stu was that joker people liked but he didn't have his own persona. He had this obsession with Billy. Billy orders him at least two to three times throughout the movie before it's revealed they are killers. Billy takes complete control during the finale where STU himself is even surprised for Billy's actual motive. Stu's face is shocked as Billy tells it. Billy was the strong broody type that never reveals his true emotions. Hence Billy calling himself stupid in the scene where he tells Syndey to get over her mother. He was calculating his every move like a Sigma male that is sort of an Alpha male so to speak Stu pretty much worships Billy's every move. In the end, Billy lashes his rage out on Stu even. Stu stabs Billy once. The only times we see Billy show real raw emotions is when he reveals himself as the killer, giving his motive and realizing he made a mistake seducing Syndey t school. Even when she figures out he may have used his one phone call to throw her off, he held his cool prior to Stu entering as Ghostface. the audience only notices his glare at certain points after watching it a second time. I think Stu called anyway at that point. Which again shows Stu carrying everything out for Billy. Stu looked up to Billy so much he even says to Syndey I always had a "thang" for ya. Which is an undertone way of saying since she was Billy's obsession he never could try lol. But we all have a thing for Syndey lol. She better not be killed in part 5!
I think that Billy intended to kill Stu and be the lone survivor as you mentioned in the difference in the stabbing that they did of one another.
Who was a mama's boy p**** and was Billy's follower
You said everything wrong.
I feel like it would be great, if for scream 5. They had a killer that had voices tell them to commit murders.
🤨 No.
@@JMoviesMedia why not, the revenge killer is played out. We had thrill killers and mission killers. Why not switch it up?
@@poltblissofficial83361 We're hoping for Stu's return and 2 That just wouldn't make sense for a Ghostface killer for Scream and Ghostface fans. Just look at the series it didn't get that much traction because it didn't cater to the fans the way they wanted.
@@JMoviesMedia Well Im a fan, and I think not all fans want the same thing. I feel they can still bring back Stu. Perhaps this time Stu is working with a psycho who hears voices. Maybe he finally found someone to bond with. Maybe a girlfriend? Someone who sympathizes with him and what Sid did to his face
@@poltblissofficial8336 Not a bad concept in all actuality. But it would throw off the “feel” of the SCREAM SERIES.
Unlike other slasher films, SCREAM has been so successful in large part because it has been rooted in reality. Not that there aren’t real life killers that have used that defense strategy as an explanation for their killings. But SCREAM never saw the need to incorporate that particular troupe, as it was one of the devices that had been used to death in the horror genre. I think it could work elsewhere, but in THIS particular series_ Not so much.☝🏿😌
Stu is a dog?
I need to see your face one time in a video or I’ll have to unsubscribe unfortunately 😢
Reimagining of Scream. Tatum was a martial arts expert who kicks Ghostface's ass...then unmask him to be Billy. She ties a naked Billy to a chair and tortures him to death where he reveals Stu to be the other killer. Tatum grabs her coat says bye to Billy then blows his brains out. Tatum tortures Stu for days until he begs for death. Tatum: oh no I'm not killing you...not just yet
Hard pass.🥱
Yeah NO. Her head getting crushed like a grape is perfect.
@@InSaiyanPower87 😎👍🏿
Stu had a surname/last name? Who knew.
The craziest killer was Beth from season 3. Anyone who watched season 3 knows what i'm talking about.
I wonder if Stu and Billy killed Stu's parents.
No. "My mom and dad are going to be so mad at me."