RAPSODO MLM 2 PRO - EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW! Data, Putting, Subscription, & MORE!
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- The new Rapsodo MLM 2 Pro Launch Monitor got a ton of buzz at the 2023 PGA Merchandise show, but there were a ton of questions viewers needed answers to. I was able to talk to Rapsodo and compile a video of everything you need to know about the new Rapsodo MLM2PRO Launch Monitor. Looking to purchase the MLM 2 Pro? Use this link that helps support the channel! rapsodo.pxf.io/5bX4zN
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In this video we will cover all of the important questions our GSV viewers had talking about the Rapsodo Membership / Subscription, Data Points, Simulation, Putting, Chipping, and more!
MLM2PRO™ + PREMIUM MEMBERSHIP
The all new MLM2PRO™ mobile launch monitor + golf simulator
Dual optical camera vision + radar processing for precision accuracy
Shot Vision and Impact Vision for multi-option swing replay
Simulation at 30,000+ golf courses
13 metrics - 6 measured metrics - including spin rate and spin axis
Rapsodo combines - 24 total shots - 2 approach targets - 1 driver target
Full functionality indoors and outdoors
Apple and Android compatible
The MLM2PRO™ aka Rapsodo MLM 2 Pro, is the successor to Rapsodo’s original Mobile Launch Monitor, which was designed using radar technology and machine learning to bring pro-level data to golfers so they can analyze their swing by monitoring metrics like distance, ball speed, smash factor with data visualization, club gapping, shot dispersion, and more. With the original model winning My Golf Spy’s Best Mobile Launch Monitor three years in a row, and being a trusted brand in Golf Digest’s Hot List Testing, the new MLM2PRO™ is now the official personal launch monitor of Golf Digest’s Hot List. It will provide the same industry leading data with additional metrics to further enhance the user’s experience - such as measuring spin and full golf simulation features. The MLM2PRO™ uses dual cameras and is compatible with both iOS and Android devices.
With the MLM2PRO™, Rapsodo will introduce golf simulation including Rapsodo Range, a virtual driving range, and Rapsodo Courses, which will consist of over 30k courses globally. Rapsodo Range will provide trajectory and shot trace indoors. While Rapsodo Courses gives players the ability to practice on their local course ahead of a big event or play a nationally recognized course on their bucket list. Rapsodo has provided users thousands of course options through their MLM 2 PRO Premium Membership, so users will have an extensive list to select from and play virtually anywhere in the world. Additionally, the MLM2PRO™ is compatible with multiple simulation software providers including E6 Connect and Awesome Golf to give players a variety of options to suit their game. Even more integrations are scheduled to continue to add to MLM2PRO™ users’ subscription options.
Callaway Golf Partnership
The new portable launch monitor provides even more advanced data for golfers to analyze. In total, the MLM 2 PRO ™ will report six measured metrics within 13 core metrics including new data points like descent angle, spin rate and spin axis. The Impact Vision camera in the MLM2PRO™ records and processes images of the ball’s rotation to measure the ball's spin rate and spin axis. Adding these key metrics improves the ability to determine overall carry distance and path.
“This allows golfers to receive information that will help them to optimize their equipment, practice and gapping. Callaway’s Optical printing technology provides unparalleled printing accuracy, ensuring precise placement of the Rapsodo pattern on each golf ball.”
Multiple High Speed Cameras
The MLM 2 PRO ™ has two built-in cameras, offering a major upgrade from the original MLM which required the iOS device camera to track ball flight. The inclusion of the cameras opens up the MLM2PRO™ to both Android and iOS platforms. The two cameras serve different purposes. The wide-angle "Shot Vision" camera is used to record a swing video with shot trace on every shot. The 240-fps high speed shutter "Impact Vision" camera captures a series of photographs that are visualized in the MLM2PRO Mobile App as a short video - allowing players to view their impact on every swing. The Rapsodo Swing Vision feature pairs the MLM2PRO™ with a phone or tablet to have multiple angles of each golf swing, allowing golfers to capture down-the-line and face-on swing replay videos so they can get more out of their practice time.
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? What is your outdoor ground is slightly angled or rounded? My lawn has a slant, will the measurements still be accurate, will I need a taller stand?
Thanks for sharing this information. Looking forward to your upcoming testing videos
You're welcome! Thanks for watching and stay tuned, much more to come :)
Looking forward to seeing the full review when it arrives, great content, keep up the good work over there, respect from England !!!!
Thank you! Unit should be here soon, stay tuned and thanks for watching!
This should open soo many possibilities for remote coaching. The ability to send an instructor video of your last 20- 7 iron shots seems very helpful
This question is very important, they claim that they will be compatible with Android, the R10 is compatible with Android but only with phones and not with Android tablets, so everyone that got a tablet as a monitor is now unable to use it with the R10 including myself.
So my question is, it will work with Android tablets? If that's the case is a no brainer for a lot of people.
I’ll have to verify if tablet is also compatible.
There was another channel that actually had one to try out and they put it against a GC quad and all the data it picked up was almost identical . They used a variety of clubs too .At that price point that is amazing and why i will buy one when they are released . I'm Sold
So, they only focused on backspin which is good to see the results. I will do a full review shortly. Definitely looking solid though. They wanted me to have a unit with the latest firmware, etc. which I understand as I will do a full in-depth review of all of the data with simulation play, chipping etc. Stay tuned and thanks for watching!
I’d love to see a test using normal non-marked balls (as in the range for example) compared to GC quad or something similar
@@JuanitoLima13 same
Keep in mind that when you say the "price point is amazing" that the up front cost is only a small portion of what you will pay before you are through. At $200 a year to access basic features, you will most likely to pay another $1-2000 over the life of the product. The MLM 2 Pro is going to be a very expensive launch monitor to own.
Just bought the R10 for $475. More data parameters without fees. Garmin also allows the use of a camera. In my honest opinion, why get caught up in gimmicks and dotted ballls. $200 every season lol. I was tempted to buy the flightscope mevo plus, but I can buy a new club and the Garmin for that price 😂
It will be personal option but watch my MLM 2 pro vs GCQuad video. This unit can measure spin and spin axis vs calculate like r10. So it has a more accurate ball flight. R10 is still a good value for what it offers and might still be a what works best for some user’s preferences.
In my use of the Garmin R10, it was calibrated and set level and numbers were right there. I put it up against Mevo Plus Flightscope and Top Speed golf simulator and it was +/- a few yards. For my purposes, the R10 tracks face angle and club path which the MLM2 does not. However, indoors the MLM2 may provide better data with driver swings with the metrics it provides. Outdoors on a practice range R10 is more than enough. The R10 took a while with updates so I'm guessing the MLM2 will do the same but it looks favorable for the future though.
The r10 setup properly with RCT hitting center face does do a solid job. The data has a decent margin of error but for the price it’s a solid value for sure. It does lack spin axis accuracy due to mainly gear affect weakness not being able to measure and take that into effect. I think the goal here with MLM2Pro is to provide measured spin axis indoors or into nets outdoors etc. Just different approaches especially with the impact video and swing video etc.
Hello, thanks for the video. Doos it measure club data like club path and face to path?
Hi - thank you for the information. Do you know if I can add my family as users to the membership or do they all have to have separate membership?
Looks really cool. I am happy with my MEVO + but will be looking forward to reviews on the MLM 2 Pro.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for all the information.
I hope there is another subscription option for those who need launch monitor features only, like the premium subscription for MLM1. e.g. $99 for launch monitor features and $199 for both launch monitor and simulator features.
As of right now it looks like there is only the premium, but you do get some solid features with no subscription as I mentioned in the video. That is a good suggestion though, maybe a middle subscription that covers everything but the simulation and spin axis. I will share that with them. Thanks for watching!
I second this. I don't think everyone getting this will be using it for simulation. The camera features make it a great practice tool as a launch monitor only, and having the cloud storage and expanded feature set for only that purpose would be really nice without having to pay the full $199. And from the original MLM ($99 annual for launch monitor features) as well as Garmin subscription ($99 annual for simulation features), a 50/50 split sounds reasonable.
Hi there! Thanks for the info. Do you know when you'll be allowed to get your hands on a unit/provide us with test results?
Hoping to have one here any day. I’ll be doing a full first look review and a series of coverage after that.
Great info once again! I love how your videos give unbiased information instead of trying to push products. I know they only ship to states for now, but do you know if the unit would still function outside the states?
Thanks. Only dates I have right now are US. I’ll try to get some outside US info.
@@GolfSimulatorVideos Im in New Zealand and have preordered one, have an uncle in Georgia, who will ship it on. So hope it will work, should do.
Thanks great video, was looking at Skytrak because i cant leave a mevo+ set up behind in my space or calibrate each time, will this be easy and quick to set up each time of use and not need calabration?
Shoot me an emails so we can discuss your space etc. a98cr125@gmail.com
Love your videos. This thing looks awesome, wish it handled putting. We are in cabinetry and thinking of putting a simulator in our showroom integrated with bar cabinetry and making it look killer, figure we can start installing these in our custom homes bonus rooms. Would love to have a high price and low price tech solution and was considering this for the low price tech, but not having putting hurts it. Any chance they add putting down road? Any other good low price tech options, for indoor simulation?
Thank you! I did ask them about putting at the 2023 PGA Show. The reaction was that it currently does not, but I got the feeling they might be working on it! Thanks for watching!
Thanks very much for all the info! Good to know that spin and spin axis info will not be available after the 1st year if the device owner does not renew the membership for $199 per year.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching.
Good info. Currently a happy R10 owner w/ GSPro. Would consider the upgrade for better spin rates if there was putting, but for the cost to upgrade I am not sure if its worth it. Typically we use the sim for 3-4 months during this cold weather in Ontario only so it is hard to justify more. Secondly, I am a previous Rapsodo R-Motion customer and I am still scorned from how they just dropped the servers and made that product useless over night. I understand better products came out, but it left a salty taste. I have also read many horror stories from other customer with other products. It's the primary reason I stayed away from Rapsodo before. Looks like a great product, just hope they stand behind it long term. But they tickled my interest here anyway.
The Rapsodo MLM 2 Pro sounds and looks great. However, there are 2 factors that is deterring my purchase decision: (1) The Premium membership costing US$199 is included in the first year, what about the 2nd, 3rd...nth year. That adds up to a lot of $$$.
(2) There is one metric I really need and want of the German Approach R10, that is the attack angle of the golf club to the ball. If Rapsodo can work on these factors, it will definitely be in my shopping cart.
New to the simulator world and this seems it would be a great starting point instead of dropping 10k on the uneekor eye unit. Newbie question, but how exactly does this hook up to a projector? What else would need to be considered besides an impact screen and projector to get this to work?
I'll wait to see a full review, but spin rates being locked behind the subscription and no simulated spin rates like with the Garmin R10 are likely going to be deal breakers for me. From what I've seen the R10 is close enough with its calculated measurements, even without expensive specialty balls.
Thanks for watching. I will have a full review asap.
I’m glad I held off on buying the garmin this seems to be worth the $100 more
It appears to be a solid unit and feature for sure. Looking forward to testing it here in the GSV studio. I will have those videos coming soon, so stay tuned and thanks for watching!
this is gonna be huge for the simulator world as a whole. I've been wanting to get my cousin into the sim world and if this ends up working with e6 and gspro im getting him one, he lives two states away. R10 just wasnt enough.
It works with E6 out of the gate, as stated in the video. But only that an awesome golf so far. He said they are working on more. Full in-depth reviews with the unit to come shortly.
Why do you think the R10 isn't sufficient?
@@Datamonkey33 i've seen alot of issue with starting line reads. And thats kinda the starting line for sims.
Great video the MLM 2 pro looks amazing. Do you have any idea if it will be available in the EU ?
Good info. Can't wait to see the first testing videos. This is a game changer. Specifically, the spin axis. The Garmin R10 is ok for practicing club head speed, distance and some swing mechanics, but without spin axis, it is useless as a simulator. This thing, for an extra 200$, moves the needle way ahead in emulating more realistic shot shapes, provided the spin axis is as accurate as they claim. You can now build a real golf sim setup with a sub 1k$ machine. Wow. I was holding out for the MEVO+ because of that reason. But with this, now most of us have access to building a sim setup at an affordable price. I'm all in.!
Indoor spin axis measured using the ball markings is very key for accurate ball flight for sure. Stay tuned for the full hands on review coming soon. Thank for watching!
$100-200 more up front, plus the additional $200 per year, since the spin-axis is locked under the membership.
Very excited. My question is regarding spin. I know it is not measured but is it calculated outdoors based on strike and doppler data for direction?
The statement he made to me was that spin and spin axis would not be provided without RPT. The flight tracking will show flight but based on the statement it will not show a calculated spin, I questioned this as well but was going off what was stated to me in writing. I can try to clarify. Thanks for witching and stay tuned!
If you do not extend the premium package after the first year do you then still have access to the courses and or simulated course thanks.
Great video
Question what the battery life, being such a small unit ?
Stated 4 hours but, they said they were getting longer during the PGA show
After watching both videos on the MLM2 and the R10 review, which is going to be more beneficial? I am looking to take to the range and also in my backyard or garage on those cold days hitting into a net off of a mat. Thanks for your videos.
It is going to be personal preference on marked balls, capabilities, membership pricing etc. But big factor on this unit is the slim accuracy and ability to measure the side spin indoors. R10 calculates it with a margin of error.
Great video, tons of info…. do you know when it will be available to pre-order in Canada, when I go to the website it only allows delivery to USA.
Thanks
I’m sure I can get that answer for you. I’ll be in touch. Thanks for watching
I talked to support at rapsodo and they said “soon”. If you find out, please post a reply thanks!
whats needed to display on simulator. meaning does it take a pc connection that then connects to projector
Hello there, great video with so much useful info on this unit.I was wondering if you could purchase the subscription by the month ?
I’ll have to check if they have a monthly. I think it was stated though as yearly.
What about swing vision? Do you continue to have swing vision with the extra camera (from phone) if you do not renew?
Only what I stated per Rapsodo. You still have access to practice with all metrics (EXCEPT Spin / Spin Axis), Shot Vision, and limited Storage.
a little confused in your video when you talked about using outside, you mentioned we would have to select range ball or game ball? So we would not be using the special Calloway balls outdoors? I am specifically talking about outdoors hitting into a net.
Outdoors into a net would be just like indoors. Better to lump it all under limited flight or full flight. Into a net you would used marked balls.
I’ve never used a simulator that needed specific balls before so this is probably a dumb question. Does the ball need to be placed in a specific position for the mlmpro2 to read the dots?
No, they have them all over the ball so it will see the pattern regardless of the placement. Some will try and place it where the dots are not going to be hit by a high spinning club to extended the life of the balls. Thanks for watching!
The comment from Rapsodo about the membership not being transferable... what does that actually mean for buying a second-hand unit? If you purchase a used unit (or want to sell yours to someone else), can the new owner get a membership? Does it simply mean that the remaining time on the current membership is not transferable, and new owner needs to pay $200 to Rapsodo to get a new membership? Seems like a deal breaker if the new owner can't get a membership, as that would render the unit almost useless.
The owner will just need to buy a fresh subscription. Thanks for watching
Any update on when you’ll be able to get a test unit to review? Thanks again Jay
I keep being told soon but it’s been a month so now I’m not sure 🤷♂️.
@@GolfSimulatorVideos they kind of sound like a shit show eh
Would you recommend this LM for range use? if not, which one would you prefer. Thanks for the feedback
So I need to test it outdoors before really making that recommendation. I need to see how it does tracking the ball. I think with the radar it should be solid but of course want test it before speaking on that. I should have a unit soon. Thanks for watching and stay tuned.
I saw one comment about battery life, but can you have it plugged in and charging while also using it?
Yes you can 👍
Any chance your review video can include how the unit functions in a noisy environment? I would like to see how the unit performs with a heater or fan running. Would the radar be affected? Or does it simply use the cameras for ball metrics indoors?
Sure I can test that. Not sure if I’m the first review but I’ll get to it for sure maybe even before the review 👍
What all is needed to have a full projected simulator with the mlm2pro
Not much really. You can simply run a hdmi dongle to a projector like I do from a iPhone or iPad.
Hey there! really love your videos, was wondering if (when you get the chance) you could do a review with MINIMUM space requirements on this? I bought the R10 and had above minimum but it would not read properly. (Yes I tried everything possible to make it accurate).
Would greatly appreciate!
That’s covered in this video 👇
th-cam.com/video/1QM3HQQjWBI/w-d-xo.html
@Golf Simulator Videos hey thanks for the reply! I know they SAY 6.5 feet and behind and 8 feet of ball flight, which i have, but garmin says 6 and 8, i had more than that and it did not work properly so I'm a bit weary
All sounds great but just wondering of they can do more like AoA, club path, and impact location. seems doable base on the 240fps camera hardware but if they want to do it on the software side is the problem.
They have not given me any insight on this other than when we talked about no putting, it seemed like they were indicating they were seeing what else the unit could be capable of like putting, so I would think there is possibly more development on data and capabilities coming. Thanks for watching
Curious if when the subscription runs out and you loose the spin does the carry number stilll take it into account?
That’s a good question. I will verify this with them. Thanks for watching
I'd really like to see the the so the simulation mode on these courses? Is it similar to e6 or require a 3rd party service like e6? I'm not seeing any videos or specifics of actual digital game play
I did confirm unit will work outside country….I live in Dubai….I pulled trigger on pre-order…
Nice. Thanks for watching
Just pre ordered mine
Nice. Thanks for watching.
If it doesn't fit the bill I'll send it back and spend the big money on sky track I guess Just don't like how outdated sky track is.
Is this able to put on a full screen simulator set up, and how?
Yes, if you watch my video during the PGA show, it shows a full simulator set up. There will be various software you’ll be able to do that with.
I'm using a very old iPad pro and am getting choppy frames on low settings in course mode. I used my Pixel 6 and it runs very smoothly on high, but the range sim mode only displays 3 metrics at a time. I'm casting to a TV, but it is choppy with or without that step.
Which device do you use/recommend to get full metrics and smooth performance on high settings? The lower the price, the better!
I would assume due to low end gpu in that iPad. I have a second gen iPad Pro and it runs anything and everything great.
@@GolfSimulatorVideos thank you!
it is interesting how the camera is for slow motion pictures. How many fps does it run in dual cam mode. For example, an ipad as a second camera. mevo+, for example, only runs at a disappointing 30 fps.
I think it will run the capability of your phone but I will text it in my review video.
Hi! I want to invest in a launch monitor that is less than $1,000 CAD and the two best one seems to be the Garmin R10 and the Rapsodo MLM 2 Pro. Is the data accuracy/reliability of the MLM 2 better than the Garrmin because of camera/doppler radar? I will be using the unit mostly on the range outside and in a bakyard net. Thanks, Luc
Shoot me an email and I can connect you with my Canadian partner for a full consultation on what will work for you. a98cr125@gmail.com
For those of this that do speed training, any idea of this can measure swing speed without a ball??? I’ve preordered but it would be great if it could replace my swing radar
Have not verified that, but will look into it and see 👍
How much would the overall data be affected without that subscription? i.e. Several yards off in carry since you loose spin or would it still take it into acfount without showing you the spin numbers?
I think it still uses spin for the carry number. You just don’t get to see it. But with no spin axis indoors I can see it being very useful with no simulation capabilities
How do appliances in front of MLM affect data accuracy? i.e. refrigerator, projector, garage door opener
I don’t have those details yet but will get them. It does have a small single radar. So loud fans, refrigerators, or heavy steal could potentially interfere. But a simple garage door opener should not. Can’t guarantee anything as all environments are unique, but I can’t imagine that be a concern.
Will this work hitting into a net or does it require a hitting screen ?
Net or outdoors will work. Thanks for watching
Does anyone know if E6 is supported? MLM2PRO doesn’t show up as a device option in E6 app
It will be shortly. They are finishing up the integration. Thanks for watching
Can the use of RCT balls also improve the read or only the Callaway? Also is the unit weatherproof from water/rain? GS Pro simulation connection is also preferable... Great video!
No, at least for now their radar is not reading spin rather the camera is tracking dots so that would not be advised and could potentially mess up the radar tracking.
i think the key to how it works requires a discernable pattern on the ball rct balls have tec that makes them show up better on radar so you would still need to put some sort of pattern on them for the cameras
Heard you on a new breed of golf this morning. Nice work!
Nice! Thanks. I couldn’t keep that info back. Facts are facts, right? Had to backup Breeder! :)
Agree. I’m in MI as well. Have a BLP garage sim and huge GSPro fan. Enjoy all of your content.
@@billshepard9970 appreciate you watching 🍻
I have watched dozens of videos on this product mlm2pro and with each and every one including yours, nobody mentions if you can plug it in while using it as a simulator at home. Are we limited to battery life?
I can’t imagine you won’t be able to charge it during use. I would assume it does and can verify.
@@GolfSimulatorVideos can you provide a direct company contact? To clarify I do not want to know if you can recharge it during use as if this is the case that would normally mean the expected battery life will reduce with use exponentially. I wish to know if one can just set it up as a permanent simulator setup with out worrying if battery will burn out due to constant charging/
Are you able to put it on a tripod so that you can get a higher angle for the camera? Does it affect accuracy?
It should be used with its own tripod at the level of the ball.
Are you saying without the membership you only get access to One camera and not the cameras Does it have to be connected internet at all times
Does it work with foam practice balls for inside use
I’m sure it might read them but the data would be erroneous as any unit reading a foam ball will have the wrong speed, spin , etc. So no point if that makes sense.
great vid! I noticed you didn't have angle of attack as one of the metrics but it is on one of the pictures about the metrics on the rapsodo insta.
I did not see AOA anywhere. It’s not in any of their official documentation or current 13 metrics. I can ask, but I don’t think it provides it based on what they have provided me at least.
@@GolfSimulatorVideos it was in one of their first videos for the product along with club path but these two metrics appear to have been dropped. Hopefully to reappear at a later date!
Hi :)
I hope the questions are not asked already.
1. Is it true that a connection to the internet is mandatory? I can't get any internet in my basement unfortunately...
2. Also how much of a difference will it make if the distances were a few inches off? I have 14-15 feet of space, so if the ball was an inch or two off will that influence the performance dramatically? (Would be cool if you could check it when you test it)
3. Since the release is in the US, do you know when it will be possible to purchase it in Europe (Germany)? Or is it possible to purchase one in the US and use it in Germany?
4. Will I have access to the Spin and Spin axis feature if I hadn't the membership but purchased a compatible software like 'Awesome Golf'? It would be a bummer if you had the Rapsodo software nonetheless.
Thank you for all your answers and the work you put in.
Keep it up 👍🏼
I will verify but you might need internet using the app. But it can be your cellular data on a iPhone or android etc. I’m almost positive but will double check, you need to subscription for 3rd party access. Not sure on the outside US release date yet.
Thanks for the review! Can you connect it to a PC and project from the Pc to a screen? If not project to the screen?
I have not confirmed PC connection but will verify if things like awesome golf and e6 will be supported for PC as well.
I asked about PC support or GSPro using contact support and this was their reply:
"Thanks for reaching out! It will only be on mobile devices/tablets but you could use a cable to display it on a PC or TV. You can also use E6 or Awesome Golf at launch and hopefully other third party softwares after launch."
So at least at launch it doesn't look like it will work with PC, but there are several options to project a phone or iPad to a projector or TV. (Airplay / smartview /hdmi dongle / etc.)
@@robert5c My gut tells me they don't want to work with GSPro. As far as I know, GSPro is open to working with any launch monitor. So the fact that Rapsodo kinda dodges the GSPro questions is kinda telling...
@beebs2121 perhaps, but first they'll have to figure out connecting to a PC and it's necessary app/software/api
So I’m assuming the third party software will not work without the membership, which to me doesn’t really make sense to upgrade from the R10 if I don’t want to pay the extra subscription fee on top of what I already pay to E6 and AG
That is the assumption but I’m working on verifying that.
Interesting that they worked out a deal with Callaway for the custom balls. I think a lot of QED users will be scratching their heads regarding Uneekor's inability to do this.
Yeah who knows, right? Thanks for watching!
Will this be available in the UK please? I'd love to be able to purchase through you when the time is right. Thanks
That’s hasn’t been released yet but I’ll keep everyone posted 👍
I'm more curious how accurate swing speed and ball speed will be.
Will spin and spin axis be allowed on awesome golf if you don’t renew the rapsodo membership?
I highly doubt it. I think it’s going to be required for any simulator connection.
@@GolfSimulatorVideos if that’s true, I would go with the garmin r10 just for that fact alone.
solid info. looking forward to your review of it. I would really like you to attempt using a regular ball just to let everyone know how different things can be if you dont use the special balls for it. Im think rapsodo is missing the boat on not letting memberships transfer. memberships have a time limit on them, so why not allow for it in case an owner wants to upgrade. but very much looking forward to the videos
I do not see the reason, everyone should know it is not going to read the spin / spin axis well at all with out the pattern on the ball. Even dots that not in the pattern exactly they said could affect accuracy. Does not mean I can't show it but probably wont really have time in the initial video since so much to cover. Thanks for watching.
for me, its about understanding how well a standard ball reads on the system. I occassionally use a regular ball on my QED and the spin numbers yes are a little bit off. but it would be nice to see the differences on your video so i can pass that onto friends that i know are possibly interested in this new rapsodo. just something to consider. love your channel. thank you for everything
@@chadlarsen4855 I have QED. It’s much more than a little. Your going to have improper spin axis, which is the most important. Plus, I spinning wedge is going to be way off along with high speed balls like driver. I just don’t want to be promoting anyone should be doing that.
3 things: Can you delete videos from your cloud storage? Can you download videos from cloud storage to share with your swing coach? Are stats from each swing shown on the video of that swing:
I’m going to try and cover all of that in my review coming up with the unit. Stay tuned 👍
Hi Paul! From what I have seen on other reviews, it looks like the launch metrics are displayed with each swing.
Hi, I just ordered this unit for an indoor setup. I’m new at this so how does it project on to my simulator screen? I was told by Rapsodo that all I needed was launch monitor, screen, and Matt. I asked if I need a projector and they told me I didn’t. Thanks
The unit doesn't project on to the simulator screen. All this does is get data from the ball. This will then hook up to your phone or a computer with simulator software. If you want, you can plug that into a TV and see the simulation there and just hit balls into a net. Or you can connect your phone or computer to a projector to display the image on an impact screen
You would project from the connected device, so easy way is with an iPad just use a HDMI dongle and connect HDMI to a projector. Thanks for watching
Is there any chance that Garmin releases an update or new model that measures spin instead of calculates it? Or maybe an update to the lower Mevo model that makes it more competitive to these launch monitors?
It would be impossible. Even the most expensive radar like Trackman 4 calculates it indoors uses their camera with impact location and other data points.
I would like to know, what are the differences (data wise) between a Garmin R10 and the Rapsodo MLM 2 Pro if used without a premium membership. The yearly price of the Rapsodo membership is quite expensive vs the garmin R10…
Do you know if the simulation will have a multiplayer mode?
Budget Golf Sim options...
Golf+ (G) vs Optishot 2 (O) vs TruGolf Mini (T)
As someone who's owned each of these 3 options for about a year, heres the order in how I'd rank them in each category from best to worst. With the TruGolf mini I attach the club tracker to my 5 Iron and use my 5 iron for all my shots. With Golf + I use my weighted Deadeye. With Optishot 2 I use all my golf clubs.
Golf+ (G) vs Optishot 2 (O) vs TruGolf Mini (T)
Cost G T O
Immersion G O T
Fun T G O
Ease of use T G O
Small Area To Play G T O
Reliability T G O
Accuracy O T G
Real World Impacts O T G
The One I Use the most T O G
I would consider all of these more of the "fun" golf options, not Sim. Since none of them are actually reading a golf ball, even Optishot, I just always try to make it clear to everyone that is the case. You are swinging which is great but it is not really comparable to those budget launch monitors that are actually reading ball and club data. Thanks for watching!
@Golf Simulator Videos yes all Club Tracking Golf Simulators.
For everyone who thinks "spin rate is locked behind a paywall" I will save you money... Get a sharpe and as many golf balls you want. Use the ball that comes with the launch monitor as a template and mark your own ball.... This isn't some secret gps technology, it's literally black dots on a ball lol
Oh many please don’t use a sharpie. That will ruin your screen. Rapsodo told me there is a strict tolerance on the pattern but also keep in mind it doesn’t matter what ball you have some features won’t be available without their subscription. Thanks for watching.
Will the membership work on its own as a simulator with the 30,000 courses or will you have to pay the $200 a year plus purchase additional software like the E6?
I’m not 100% on this yet but I highly doubt it. Since it takes the membership to get spin/spin axis I think that’s the intention.
@@GolfSimulatorVideos I can’t wait for you to get one to work with so we can find out for sure. If the $200 membership includes full use of a simulator without need of additional purchases, this launch monitor might be a no brainer.
Good day, my question is does it have non sea level adjustment? Meaning if I’m above sea level can I get numbers based on my location?
I will have to verify in the new Rapsodo software but Awesome Golf and E6 have altitude adjustments for their algorithm.
Ok 100% thanks for the quick reply 👍
The question I have is withe the connection to the projector. WiFi?
Saw on a few other blogs that in sim mode like e6, TGC, GSPRO, etc this unit is a single player unit ONLY? If so, deal breaker for me until they release a software update that allows multiplayer. Anyone else have or hear of this same info? Thanks
Only with their native app. Other connected apps like awesome golf will have their own options.
Can i put in a require to use Spring Meadows (Linden Mi) When the MLM2Pro hands on review is created? Just pre ordered a few days ago. Super excited.
Not quite sure what you are asking here, Kevin. I actually grew up playing Jr. Golf at Spring Meadows! Thanks for watching
Was hoping if and when you do you’re review of the MLM2Pro simulator section you’d use SMCC as the course during the review.
This is a nice piece of tech but my only concern is no spin /spin axis measurement at the range outside. Without that capability I would be concerned about the overall accuracy when hitting outdoors. Looks like it would work great inside as long as using marked balls.
Talking to them is sounds like with seeing ball flight using radar they don’t need to. True flight vs measured spin axis and calculation.
Taking a sharpie to those range balls to mimic the rpt ball dots
@@dgmessenger thay actually could work but you would have to be really good with a sharpie. Rapsodo stated the dots have to be with their accuracy tolerance to work.
I’m concerned about the dots on the ball discoloring the impact screen. Do they address this at all?
I have balls with the GolfDotz decals on them and they haven't come off on my screen so I'd imagine the Callaway balls will be at least that quality.
No. I’ve used other dots with balls for years and no issues. It’s the attempt people have of markers and things that cause issues.
Several years ago, Rapsodo had a simulator (crude but fun) that was PC based. Does MLM2 stream to a screen or monitor? I assume it does but cannot verifiy...waiting on a response from Rapsodo...thank you and great channel!!!!
You may have to connect an ipad to a projector in some sort or fashion to have a more simulator like experience.
Yes many options. You can use a hdmi dongle or apple airplay / android etc. I prefer HDMI from the device to projector.
Ugh almost perfect. Maybe a firmware update could happen to include putting when they figure out programming for it? It is surprising because if you have impact vision and spin axis by the rpt balls. Why wouldn’t they do a putting feature. Specially with radar.
It sure sounded like putting capability was not ruled out but not available at this time unfortunately. Thanks for watching!
@@GolfSimulatorVideos ahh I see. Still a wicked launch monitor. It’s not the end of the world for not having putting. It would just feel more complete. Hahah. No problem it was a good video.
I watched twice and I see in the comments that when the subscription runs out you have limited practice available. Does that mean you do have range with limited metrics or do not have range at all? Thanks!
He said you have practice so I am assuming range only. I need to verify but I am pretty sure you get the basic range.
Apparently Garmin has added metrics over time via software. Do you think rapsodo may offer calculated spin without rpt ball in the future or does it cannibalize their rpt sales?
I’m not aware of Garmin “adding” any metrics. They have modified their ways of tracking with RCT etc.
Looks great outside of a couple issues...
1) Locking spin data behind a paywall is slimy
2) The impact camera (if it isn't gathering/contributing to any data output) is gimmicky
Needing the callaway balls seems easy enough to get around. Would be simple to design and 3d print a template in the requisite pattern. Then just mark up whatever ball you want with a sharpie.
On the fence about this one. Seems great, but hard to get past #1 above.
I mean they are selling the thing for $700. So I don't see the major issue with charging $200/year for full data.
@@troy.bert23 Spin data has a major impact on all other data (distance, shot shape, etc.). So unless it's collecting, but hiding, the spin data. Can any of the other data being output be relied upon?
The pricing model might not be for everyone but there are many approaches out there, it’s good consumers have options. This one with a low cost entry and subscription sounds like it appeals to a lot of people based on feedback I’m hearing but not for some as well. The impact camera does indeed read the Callaway markings for spin. I asked, both cameras and radar are all used for data collection. Thanks for watching.
@@GolfSimulatorVideos I don't have a problem with the approach. I just think they're doing it wrong by locking a pretty important data feature behind a paywall.
As stated earlier in this thread, spin and axis have an impact on distance, shot shape, apex, etc.
So what we really need to know is, will the data you get without the subscription be even remotely accurate? Is the unit basically bricked without the subscription? Or is it still reliable, but users simply don't get to "see" the spin data, nor have access to the enhanced features.
If they'd include the data without the sub, but still charge for 3d range, simulation, etc. I wouldn't be complaining. And I think they'd do as well or better with this approach.
If it's still reading spin, but not letting users see the data, I'm less bothered by the sub-only. Still weird. But at least users can still rely on all the other data.
But if not having the sub throws off all the other data. Well, I can't see how anyone would defend that.
@@GolfSimulatorVideos I reached out to Rapsodo to get more info on what locking spin behind a paywall actually means.
Short answer, the unit still collects the data and uses it in conjunction with all other data being collected. The only difference is that the end user wouldn't be able to see the spin and axis numbers.
While this is very good news. It seems even funnier that they'd lock users from seeing data it's collecting and using anyway. I think they'd do much better letting folks see the data. And just charge for the 3d range, simulation, combine, etc.
I'd be a buyer and would happily pay for the subscription if they didn't lock users from seeing spin data without the sub. But am holding off for now simply out of principle.
Interesting. Most things about this seems great. Price and functionality along with indoor and outdoor use. But like everything Rapsodo does, they mess it up somewhere. Making people pay to see spin rates after buying the marked balls is insane.
I would have to assume that even if someone doesn’t pay for the membership, the unit is still calculating the spin rate to get the distances for indoor use. If they are not then their numbers will be just as bad as MLM is indoors. It sucks. A lot.
The balls are interesting. Not sure I will spend $65 to get a dozen to test with qed but I’m sure someone will. The markings are so different that it likely will confuse qed on high spin shots.
Looking forward to seeing testing on this indoors. The original MLM is actually very good outdoors but it’s the sim play that most people will be buying this for. And hopefully Rapsodo doesn’t over promise like they did with R Motion and MLM. So many promises that never came to be and then lack of support after a while. But this unit seems to be in a good place to start building better trust with continued development. Will I be buying one like I did their other two LM’s? Probably. Lol.
Agreed 100% on locking spin behind a paywall. Just make the premium subscription for simulation, 3d range, etc. But owners should at least get all the data numbers without having to pay a premium.
Can you have multiple players on the simulator version ?
Any updates on availability of more of the RPT balls? Can’t find them anywhere.
I have not heard anything on that. Everyone was buying them direct as far as I know.
@@GolfSimulatorVideos I have never seen them available on their website.
2 Things. My understanding is that it doesn't have face angle and swing path, correct? That could be a deal breaker.
Also, With the high-speed camera and the radar it seems like they would be working on putting. Just my thought. Could be a firmware upgrade at a later date.
Correct not club data like path or face but it does have the swing path video for reference along with camera abilities from phones etc. But, this may or may not be enough for people seeking path and face angle.
Are the 30k courses actual courses? Similar to Garmin R10’s Home Tee Hero?
Yes, that’s how I understood it when I asked them. They already had this Rapsodo library.
I also have Rapsodo MLM 1.0 have playback sound and capable to Bluetooth to hearing aid but Rapsodo MLM 2.0 Pro does not….what going on?
Where can we buy more of the Callaway balls with the printed RPT markings? 3 won’t last long in home sims
The are going to have them in the Rapsodo store. $65 a dozen. Thanks for watching!
Callaway balls on my sim do not last more then 10 shots and I'm not a monster (100 mph) driver. Will these be made to last longer?
What we really need is for someone to mark up some other balls in the same pattern, but with a sharpie. Then tell us if the spin data remains accurate. Would be super easy to design and 3d print a template to mark up whatever balls you wanted to use. $65 a dozen is pretty steep when they're already charging you to even use the spin feature.
Hiding spin behind the paywall is a bit sneaky. Makes it seem like this is a competitor to Garmin R10 with a similar starting price but within 6 years you will have spent enough to buy a mevo plus. I think I'd rather have a mevo plus.
I think their goal was to give a low entry price point for those they need it but get their return over time. Just a different concept. I understand what you are saying though, could be perfect for some and might not be a good fit for others. But, I would assume the subscription will leads to more enchantments and features over time. Thanks for watching!
No doubt. I look at it like a GC3 vs Bushnell launch pro model. If you can afford the upfront cost of the GC3 I think it's the way to go because the launch pro will cost you more in the long run and resale value will be limited because it's technically never fully owned. Rapsodo vs mevo plus is basically the same concept. The genius though is rapsodo has successfully made this an R10 competitor and it's going to easily win that battle. But reality is this is a mevo plus and skytrak competitor both in performance and price and it's victory there is far from assured.
Also. Do u think they are selling this at a loss in order to pick up that large user base and large subscription fee?
@@mr.celebre6533 that is a good pricing model comparison. I’m not sure on profits, but there are many companies in spaces doing this now. All the profit is from the subscription and zero or little on the device sale.
Interesting time in launch monitor world. Keep up the good work. You are a go to for accurate and controlled launch monitor comparisons without any environmental and setup compromises I frequently see in other videos
@@mr.celebre6533 thank you. 🍻
Is the pre order done with already?
They had to pause, pre-orders due to overwhelming demand. It sounds like they will reopen here at some point and possibly have units available for straight purchase during the release time.
Can you use the monitor with a PC?
Depending on the software. The native software is iOS and Android but software it is compatible with like awesome golf and e6 are PC compatible