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I would want to see you debate vaticancatholic on eastern orthodoxy
Already followed. I’d tweet this video, but I’m serving another 7 days in Twitter jail. Elon really fixed things. 🤡
@@josephthehuman6713 Why? They’re bad faith actors.
@@TheRealRealOK Because they have videos on eastern orthodoxy and I want to see kyle refute them
@@TheRealRealOK bad faith ? They give away free material and dvds etc for very low prices sometimes free. Unlike jay who over charges courses and on books. Jay uses ad hominem attacks in debates instead of arguments , the dimonds when refuting people give evidence and stay on topic. If the dimonds are of bad faith then Jay is of I don’t know what.
>wake up
>still orthodox
yep, its a good day bros 😎
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Hope you return back to the Church established by Christ out of the Schism you are in, amigo.
As a Serbian Ortodox i am thankful for you sharing the religion of the true Church☦️
God bless Serbia 🙏🙏
Please answer truthfully, as a non Serbian, would I be welcomed in the Serbian orthodox church?
@@BasedOrthoBro yes, christ is open for everyone
the only problem is that in in the most orthodox chrurches are only speaking serbian and less the local languagade
@@BasedOrthoBro Yes, everyone is welcome. Serbian Orthodox Church is just like any other church, and it is, officially, "One, holy, universal and apostolic church." Not to be interpreted that it is "the only true church", it is just one of the Orthodox churches joined in communion, sharing the same beliefs and rules. Historically, people like Aleksandar Deroko (De Rocco), Palavestra family, author Stanislav Krakov (Stanislaw Krakow) and many others were admitted into the Serbian Orthodox Church without being Serbs. The language used in SOC depends on the territory: in Serbia, it's Serbian or Churchslavonic, in the USA it's more commonly English. In, say, Netherlands, since many worshippers are not Serbian, it's a combo of English, Dutch and Serbian. Hope this is helpful. :-)
It's also an intimate, personal relationship with God Almighty.
I've been thinking very seriously about converting to Christianity but I've been very careful to learn about all the branches and denominations and make an informed decision. My family is historically Catholic on both sides, and being raised in the US, the only options always seemed to be either a form of Protestantism or Catholicism. I've found myself extremely drawn to the traditions, art style, architecture, music, and history of Catholicism. But I couldn't get past what is happening with the modern state of the Catholic church. I felt myself greatly questioning the authority and intentions of the Catholic Church, for a multitude of reasons. This video brought even more problems to my attention. I'm definitely going to look more into Orthodoxy now, you have piqued my interest. Great video.
Religion doesn’t save you. Christ does.
@@tyton3 and Christ is with his bride (The Church). Hes already beyond protestantism your rhetoric wont work
@@heftymagic4814 your name is extra weird. Religion isn’t going to save you either. What is your faith resting on today?
@@tyton3. Christ established a Church. You’re here asking lots of questions about salvation, being Orthodox, etc., yet you’re also giving your personal opinion like it’s binding. Are you here in good faith or not? I’m having doubts.
@@TheRealRealOK our works are filthy rags and are unacceptable to the Almighty. Only the work of Christ is acceptable.
When I was a Prot, I felt stuck before finding Orthodoxy. I never considered becoming Roman Catholic because of all the problems in Rome.
Why you felt stuck though?
@@Romans-hu3uy I knew Protestantism was false, but I didn’t know where to go until I found Orthodoxy.
@@TheRealRealOK I see. And how did you get to that conclusion?
@@Romans-hu3uy How did I conclude that Protestantism, a religion created in the 16th century, was false? By studying Church history and attending liturgy.
@@TheRealRealOK
I mean Protestantism as a whole is not a religion but a movement. The Reform is an event in history. It does not mean Protestant churches beliefs were created in the 16th century. Protests against the Catholic Church existed since it was created pretty much on different degrees. The most prominent being the 16th century one.
Thank you Kyle. Christ is Risen
Im 13 and love Jesus
Indeed he is risen!! ☦️
Indeed He is risen! Alleluia!!
Indeed he is!Αληθώς ο Κύριος!
Indeed he has
Hey, man! Awesome video!
It’s so crazy to see people actually making response videos to something I’ve made. I’m honestly really honored. And your video production skills are a million times better than mine.
I think you’re right when you say that ultra radical traditional Catholicism leads to Orthodoxy. Which is why in the future I’m going to refrain from telling people that we need to resist our own clergy. Rejecting Church councils and resisting the clergy does seem a little too Protestant/Orthodox. You’ve certainly given me a lot to think about, though.
Again, great video
thank you. I enjoyed your presentation. you are a gifted video maker (nice voice also haha)... I was in a similar position years ago trying to reconcile pre & post Vatican II Church. I recommend checking out Jay Dyer & Ubi Petrus: th-cam.com/video/OH7qZYOteX4/w-d-xo.html also ex trad Cathoics... Message me on discord or twitter if you ever have questions: discord.com/invite/wtqDsy4eVs
These videos helped me: twitter.com/OrthodoxKyle/status/1654687207805034496
God bless!
@@OrthodoxKyle Jesus founded His Church (Mt 16:18, singular, not "churches") on Peter, and NOT on Andrew. The Catholic Church is the One True Church of God, outside of which there is no salvation.
It’s absolutely true Kyle! I was Protestant, but Catholicism led me to orthodox. I loved watching TFP student action because it really inspired me to stand up for my faith. I also loved Brain Holdsworth (despite him being papist, I still think most of his content is great and can help Christian’s) which led to to study TLM, which eventually led to Orthodox ☦️
I like Brian! seems like a good guy. Pray the Trads become Orthodox 🙏
@@OrthodoxKyle Kyle how do you feel bout Western rite Orthodox (I believe the Western rite should be the main rite in US orthodoxy, and western Orthodoxy as a whole)
@@Randompersonontheinternet13 Eh. Idk about that.. Western Rite is new thing (ROCOR does it very well) but there has been some problems of Catholics keeping old practices.. It needs to grow organically & be 100% Orthodox. We will see in the future. People should get to experience East & West! both Orthodox!
@@OrthodoxKyle
Yep, those Catholics need to have all of their Catholic patrimony stripped away, their saints, devotions, liturgy, and history forgotten, rejected and replaced in toto (whoops, sorry about that use of Latin) by the Christianity particular to eastern Europe...yeah, that's the ticket! That'll be great!
Pardon the sarcasm. If you think Orthodoxy is great and perfect for you, more power to you, but your vision of Orthodoxy triumphing over Catholicsm is a little bit....well...je nais sais quoi.
Do really believe that there are not tons of Catholic men who love their faith just as much as Orthodox men do and are willing to fight for it?
Orthodoxy and Catholicism is better together. This "Orthdoxy triumphing over Catholicsm" stuff is just weird.
That's nonsense. You could not have been a serious Catholic, or you would not have abandoned the Catholic communion of saints, taught about richly in the divine office, to join a schismatic Greek heresy that was handed over to the Muhammadan Turks. More likely, you have a Protestant demon that led you to Greekism.
This is how I found orthodoxy, with the canonical and REAL ways, as well as prayer!!!🙏🏻❤️☦️
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@@__Man_ I will check it out. This person has debunked lost of Holy Koolaids videos on the Bible: www.youtube.com/@TestifyApologetics/videos
Also this: th-cam.com/video/kc-wpFyb_yo/w-d-xo.html
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Holy Koolaid forms deceptive arguments / trying to strawman Christianity.. Watch my video on him: th-cam.com/video/ocmjN6df2nc/w-d-xo.html
I’m a polish catholic but I’m really leaning towards orthodox. Your videos have really helped me learn more about orthodoxy and I am really considering converting to orthodox.
Don’t the orthodox don’t have miracles like Fatima, Guadalupe, or Lourdes they also don t have the Eucharistic miracles we have
The church fathers also talk about Rome having the final say Orthodox just cherry pick quotes. The church is going through a crisis right now of course satan will try and attack christs church the most I thought about orthodoxy but I was wrong Kyle is misrepresenting the church bad
We do, we have a lot of miracles I hope you look into@@bambbambboyguy123
@@bambbambboyguy123No, no they don't. Rome always had primacy as they were established by both Paul and Peter , in contrast to Antioch for example, but the early church always functioned with bishops preeciding over regions, and no supreme infallible bishops.
@@mong9942 ok I need to see what they said exactly though there are quotes you can find that support either side
Absolutely legendary content. Well done Kyle, this hits the nail on the head.
thanks! Love the podcast & memes. Keep up the good work!
i discovered your podcast yesterday, i absaloutely love it. keep up the good work and god bless
Oh hey, its that one chad youtuber
Hello from Russia!
I learned quite a lot from your video, thanks)
We here are still celebrating the Easter (up until the day after tomorrow), so I joyfully say again: "Christ is Risen!"
Truly, He is risen!
Didn’t expect a Saturday special
✋trad Catholic exploring orthodoxy here. Just met with an orthodox priest for the first time last week. It’s heartbreaking to realize all this at first.
It is... The State of the Catholic Church is depressing.. It was sad to leave Catholic friends... but I am SOOO glad to be Orthodox and have met sooo many amazing people.. let me know if you have any questions. God bless 🙏
@@OrthodoxKyle we are lucky to have just moved to an area with a thriving, friendly Antiochian Orthodox church. Keep doing what you do, it helps!
@@anniegray6277 God blessed you with the circumstances that led to your move. it wasn't luck. He is actively seeking His lost sheep.
One needs to realize one is ill in order to heal.
Lord have mercy of us all sinners.
@@OrthodoxKylethe state of the Catholic Church is not depressing at all, can you explain you argument?
Christ is Risen!
Being a former trad myself, I especially love your videos about Catholicism. Keep up the great work!
thanks. Pray for Trads 🙏🙏
He is risen indeed
Verily He is!
kyle is banging video after video keep up the consistency
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Found that out the hard way. Especially after learning about the allegedly schismatic nature surrounding the SSPX historically. Trads are just confused Orthodox Christians.
They should just go to a western rite orthodox church if they still like the latin aesthetic.
Have you been to a Latin Mass?
@voxpopuli8132
Unfortunately, there aren't many in my area, but I've been looking to find one to understand the priests better and their view of the schism.
There is an FSSP one in my area, but it definitely didn't feel like a Latin mass at all. And I can't stand that old female "announcer" making the holy mass feel like a elderly home bingo hall the entire service. The lack of reverence made me sick. It was quite the sad sight, because I do find beauty in the gregorian chants and traditions.
@@Adeptus_Mechanicus Seek out the SSPX Mass. Jesus founded only one Church (singular), on Peter, and not 23 different churches (plural): 14 chalcedonian, 6 non-chalcedonian, 1 assyrian church, along with old calendarists and old believers. Its a mess. the orthos (and sedes) are just confused Trads.
@voxpopuli8132
I'll see to it. But just to let you in on a bit of knowledge, a lot of those you mentioned are not in communion with the Eastern Orthodox. It seems confusing because they use the word "Orthodox" in their churches, but their theology, especially that of the coptics, is radically different. They are not in ecumenical standing with other Orthodox jurisdictions like that of the Romanian, Antiochian, or Russian Orthodox, which operate as one faith. The same logic of the standard of communion for Vatican II in standing with the Byzantine Catholics or FSSP. They are still in communion, (though at one point things were unstable with the FSSP).
as a former catholic i actually ended up with the trad catholic problem, i was really scared that the tlm mass would disapear and the entire mass would become novus ordo, after what pope said what he said about the tlm mass. The whole doctrine of papal infalability fell aprat like a house of cards. I am now eastern orthodox
Glory to God!
Then you converted for the wrong reason, you showed complete ignorance on the topic of papal infallibility (I don't mean it as an insult). Pope Francis, in fact, has never said anything infallible. Someone like Pius XII did, but infallibility has not been used in a century. However, what Pope Francis wrote in his encyclical, on the TLM, is authoritative - still fallible though.
Many of us Catholics disagree with his decision.
ME TOO!
@@mathfrom0to96giving a man that power is dangerous tho
@@i.m.s.s2564 Yes but it comes from God, Who said the gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church. The only times papal infallibility has been used, it defined divinely revealed dogmas like:
Mary's Immaculate Conception (feast day in a week, proclaimed by Pope Pius XII stating She was conceived without original sin) or Mary's Assumption to Heaven (proclaimed by Pope Pius IX, stating she didn't die but rather was brought to Heaven).
Its ridiculous how trads see the obvious problems of Roman Catholicism yet still cling onto it.
Pray for them 🙏 This video makes is CLEAR!
As a Roman Catholic going through Orthodox catechism, I think that it's the same problem we all had. We have a sense of faithfulness towards the Church, and yet we don't see the division from the Communion of Apostles.
@@BasedOrthoBro We Orthodox do not deny Romes historic primacy. It lost this honor with the schism though. Constantinople took that status. Rome needs to repent and come back in communion with the one true church and maybe it will get that status back. Also hilarious using quotes from pre-schism saints mentioning the pope, the bishop of Rome before the schism wasnt what the pope is nowadays.
@@Kostas_Dikefalaios Thank you 🤝. I'll be honest, those quotes were from Google's new chatbot, only after asking it for the sources, I realised it was all fake. Infact, the moment I sent that message out to a lot of people, I suddenly got an extremely bad fever. I've been praying hard for God to reveal to me his true church. Now I'm dumbstruck.
@@BasedOrthoBro It's a sign. Come to the Orthodox Church and don't mindlessly use random quotes given to you by AI. AI can be a great tool for research but don't believe everything it says without backing it up with a source.
You know Kyle I appreciate your videos. At the time when you started making videos, I was considering converting to eastern Catholicism from Protestantism. Thank God there were none nearby and I saw your videos. One year later I am now in the church.
Glory to God ☦️☦️
I became orthodox when I realized I would rather take my kids to orthodox liturgy than Novus Ordo, if following the apostolic faith is schismatic I'd rather be schismatic than heretic and raise atheist children in the modernist church.
wow. this nailed it.
I'm a new Christian, been going to a really low quality mainstream prot church for a few months, knowing something was clearly wrong. I've done hours and hours of deep research & learning, and i've come to the conclusion in my heart before my mind caught up that Orthodoxy has to be the truest form of Christianity. this video is bulletproof with everything i've learned.
@@BasedOrthoBro Where are these quotes from? Which books or letters? You just threw them out here without quoting a single source.
Peter also founded the Churches of Alexandria and Antioch, which means that if supremacy over the other Churches was a thing, Rome would be competing for it.
The Pope of Rome, the Patriarch of Alexandria, and the Patriarch of Antioch (among others) are the successors of Peter by lineage, all bishops are successors to Peter and this is reflected in patristic sources, such as:
St. Isidore of Seville (+636):
“So Peter first received the power of binding and loosing, and he first led people to faith by the power of his preaching. Still, the other Apostles have been made equal with Peter in a fellowship of dignity and power. They also, having been sent out into all the world, preached the Gospel. Having descended from these apostles, the bishops have succeeded them, and through all the world they have been established in the seats of the apostles” ~De Ecclesiasticus, II.5, M.P.L., Vol. 83, Col. 781-782.
Pope St. Gregory the Great (+604):
“To Eulogius, Bishop of Alexandria. Your most sweet Holiness has spoken much in your letter to me about the chair of Saint Peter, Prince of the apostles, saying that he himself now sits on it in the persons of his successors. And indeed I acknowledge myself to be unworthy, not only in the dignity of such as preside, but even in the number of such as stand. But I gladly accepted all that has been said, in that he has spoken to me about Peter’s chair who occupies Peter’s chair.” ~Registrum Epistolarum, Book VII, Letter 40
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Furthermore, the Roman Catholic church has *literally* committed heresy. It is impossible for a single bishop to change the [Nicean] Creed without consulting with the entire Body of the Church in an Ecumenical Council. As St. Cyprian of Carthage explains in “On the Unity of the Church”, all of the apostles received the keys and passed them to the bishops through succession. The fathers at the 5th ecumenical council specifically and dogmatically told Pope Vigilius that one bishop cannot determine matters of faith alone, as there is “no other way the truth can be made manifest” other than within a conciliar context. Otherwise, there would be a mess of denominations all based on skewed personal interpretations, with no way to discern what is the Truth (hello Protestantism).
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Lastly what is referred to as the "Mother Church" or "The Root" is not Rome but Jerusalem as seen in:
- “O Holy Sion, thou *Mother of all the Churches of God,* in thee in fiery likeness did the Comforter Spirit come down on the Apostles with awesome descent. So rejoice now and celebrate this day of Pentecost longed-for by all the world, and keep festival with us in joy”. (Pentecostarion, Friday of Pentecost, Matins, Praises, Troparion 3)
- "If you be Catholic Christians, communicate with that Church from which the Gospel is spread abroad the whole earth: communicate with Jerusalem"
and
- "Christ made there (Jerusalem) the beginning of the preaching of His name: and you shrink back with horror from having communion with that city. No marvel that being cut off, you hate the Root". (St. Augustine's Homily 2 on the First Epistle of John)
- "Of the Church at Jerusalem, *mother of all Churches* , we make known that the right reverend and most religious Cyril is bishop"
(Synodical letter from the 2nd Ecumenical Council)
As you can see, even though Jerusalem also has a Primacy of Honor, it never went beyond that to claim supremacy over the Churches (primacy =/= supremacy), because equality between them is fundamental in Apostolic Tradition. The reason Rome had primacy of honor was being a See of St. Peter (the original Seat of St. Peter being Antioch, Alexandria and Rome together) and being Seat of the Emperor of the Ecumene (Roman Empire) at the time, before the capital moved to Constantinople. Hence why Constantinople also enjoys Honorary Primacy by being called the "First among *equals".*
@@con_roxpThank you 🤝. I'll be honest, those quotes were from Google's new chatbot, only after asking it for the sources, I realised it was all fake. Infact, the moment I sent that out, I got a sudden extremely bad fever. I've been praying hard for God to reveal to me his true church. Now I'm dumbstruck
@Deer Low Glory to God! Come visit: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
I like that you say “I knew in my heart before my mind caught up”
That’s is right, as we know God by cleansing the nous… our rational mind is faulty because our nous is darkened. Pray, fast, partake in the holy mysteries (after baptism) and this is hope you will cleanse your nous and know God. A great book:
The Illness and Cure of the Soul in the Orthodox Tradition
Book by Hierotheos Vlachos
Glad to say I left Catholicism
Pray for Catholics 🙏
May God Bless You Brother Remember The Church That Christ formed Can not be corupted by false teachings like The infability of the pope or The Imaculate conception
Christ is RISEN.☦
Truly He has RISEN.☦
Воистину воскресе!!!
Alithos Anesti!
Khrystos Voskres!
I am an Eastern Orthodox here in Serbia, and here some women respect the veil, but others do not. I don't know what we can do about it, truly sad that we can't make or convince them to do so.
I'm in America and even the conservative ROCOR and Serbian churches you find, not all women veil. I don't want to say anything as I don't judge their piety. However, it is a bit embarrassing that traditional Catholic women all veil and Orthodox veiling is starting to go away.
@@orthojuche16 they’re American women, they most likely don’t have piety unfortunately. Don’t have a good track record in the west unfortunately
@@Kova-ow2en Unfortunately you're right. A lot of Western women fall victim to liberal tendencies in society and the Church. I notice more women veil in monasteries because there isn't such a casual atmosphere when it comes to the Liturgy as compared to parishes.
Very useful. I have a friend who has issues in his life, apparently his father's side is italian super-catholic, and his mom is a puerto rican witch. A LOT of factors to make him confused about his identity and the world in general. Please pray for him.
Lord have Mercy 🙏
@@OrthodoxKyle I forgot to ask for prayers when I first posted this, oops. Thanks for doing so anyway.
I never even hear of orthodox before after i had found out a year ago and now i want to convert from baptist to orthodox. my parents didnt even know what orthodoxy was. And now i want to expose them to orthodoxy. this is a great video. God bless
Great check out my other videos, watch Best Orthodox TH-cam Channels to see other good people like Jay Dyer, Fr Josiah trenham, Abbot Trphon etc come visit orthodoxyinamerica.org/ God bless!
Discovered your Channel today, brother. It is good to hear more Orthodox youth voices of reason, there are some good people that are harder to understand and relate to due to differing histories in upbringing. Having someone closer to my age cover similar topics in typical video structures (which is harder to find between streams, clips from streams and yt short style content) is a godsend!
Glory to God! please share with anyone else who may like. And check out my other videos!
My father fought his whole life against the modernism and and apathy of Roman Catholics. He really loved the eastern rite and began to feel more home in its theology. He passed away this past October .
May God rest his soul, I'm sorry for your loss brother.
I do appreciate my orthodox brothers your tradition is impressive, but i will never turn my back on the Catholic church. It is in trouble but i believe that the good will triumph over the evil and the clergy will realize it. But if you just run away from evil it will always win. Just look at the protestant church, splintering in thousands of denominations because everyone ran away when the first problems arise
The [Catholic] Church has turned its back on you.
I was just watching Candace Owens husband, George Farmer's debate with a Protestant woman and he brought up the concept of "Theotokos"/Mother of God and I was thinking: "Hmmm, he brings a lot of ancient Christian philosophy as well as the Councils that define Orthodoxy". Even if George Farmer is a Catholic his strongest points were the things that both Catholicism and Orthodoxy have in common and not things that separate us (like the concept of "Filioque").
There’s way too much separating us.
@@TheRealRealOK 💯
That's why George Farmer should become an Orthodox Christian ^^
Amazing video, these are basically all the reasons I left Catholicism. I now go to a Coptic Orthodox Church that's less than a mile from my home, how lucky am I? I was worried at first as a very white Irish man, as most of the people going their were either Arabs or Indians, but they accepted me warmly as I was baptized into the church last Pascha. Thanks to people like you and Jay Dyer, I have found the true faith.
Great... well Coptics are Oriental Orthodox, reject Council of Chaldeon. Jay Dyer, & Me (most Orthodox TH-camrs are Eastern Orthodox)
Oriental Orthodoxy Refuted => th-cam.com/play/PL3QQ7jHr1GrTO3WLauMBQ6kbTEphu2rHg.html
Visit a Church on this: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ & tell the priest you were baptized Coptic.
Join the discord, this may be confusing but important discord.com/invite/wtqDsy4eVs
God bless!
@Kyle Oh really? I didn't know that Coptics rejected one of the 7 Ecumenical councils, I simply went there since they were the closest Orthodox Church to me, thanks for letting me know. Although in my Catechisis, they emphasized that we are *not* Monophysites that we affirm that Christ is fully God and fully Man, is that not the hypostatic union? I'll make sure to talk to my priest about all of this.
However if the coptic church is not in communion with the rest of the Orthodox Church, does that mean my Baptism and Chrismation were invalid? Would I need to be rebaptized and Re-Chrismated?
@@Traditional_American Just use this locator & any Church on this is good orthodoxyinamerica.org/
David explains the difference in that video series.... but a Eastern Orthodox Priest will answer those questions. You will be Chrismated into the Church... Coptics are very similar but there are SOME key differences. If you join the discord we can explain any questions. God bless 🙏🙏
@Kyle yeah I used the church locator and it said there is a Russian Orthodox Church about 15 mins from my house, I'll visit it tomorrow and see if I can talk to the Priest there after The Liturgy. Thanks, I'll also go through that video series as well.
@@Traditional_American Yes my friend! Copts are the Miaphysites that broke away in 451. They don't accept 2 natures in Christ..
Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics accept Council of Chalcedon and 2 natures. We are Dyophysites.
Don't be fooled by the apparent similarity in name. They are a whole different Church!
2:03 The thing is that, sedevacantists think that the whole post Vatican II magisterium is a fallacy, so any canonization provided by this church is invalid to them. Yes canonization is infallible, but only when it is promulgated by the true Church.
And there has always been what you called "innovations" in the Church even before the Schism. Many bishops belived in arianism, gnoticism etc. until it was debunked by councils. Also, the Virgin Mary wasn't prayed to and honored during the first centuries of the Church. It is not because a thelogical breakthrough emerges after the first millenium that it isn't true.
The Orthodox Church believes that there are Mysteries, correct? So why is it surprising to you that some of these mysteries are being unravelled over time and that they are finally understood by humans after a period of time? Even though humans have the chance of being given the teachings of the Apostles and the Holy Scipture, there are still some mysteries in the christian theology that are waited to be revealed and that are found in the apostolic teachings and the Scriptures!
And so the doctrine of the papal infaillibility doesn't come from no where. In Luc 22, we read that the Lord has prayed so that the Faith of Peter would never fall apart. That means that all the teachings of the successors of Peter have to be correct regarding the apostolic Tradition, because otherwise, it would mean that Jesus cannot hold his promises.
If someone who was elected Pope is acting in way that proves that his Faith has fallen, then it is not possible that he is the Pope, because Jesus Christ always holds his promises.
Great video Kyle! St. Gregory Palamas also referred to the Latins as “sons of the devil” for the Filioque, and even said that that alone is enough to prevent communion. This in the apoditic treatise
Thanks! Your recent videos have been amazing. I appreciate you exposing false ecumenism of our time. God bless!
@@OrthodoxKyle thank you! May we all work together to build up the glorious kingdom of our Lord! Keep the content coming. My wife and I both enjoy the videos and they’re helping lots of people find their into Orthodoxy
@@living_orthodox thanks! If you have time could you make a video on Church Etiquette / Common Inquirer questions / what to expect first service ...Someone asked ME to make that video and they said " do a video on orthodox church etiquette for inquirers, like how to greet a priest, ask for blessing, when to bow, when to prostrate/metania, when to cross during service and when not to, how to venerate properly (where to kiss), candle lighting ect." I think if YOU made the video.. it would do good & help lots of people! (church etiquette, little things that people may have questions about) Maybe Also what to expect going to first Divine Liturgy / what Orthos is / vespers / daily prayers... You could title it "Orthodox Priest Answers Inquirer Questions" something like that.. maybe also ask your audience some questions they have while inquiring into Orthodox.. I think it would be a great video for your channel,
God bless 🙏🙏
@@OrthodoxKyle that’s a great idea! I’ll do it. I’ll start the work on it on Monday
@@living_orthodox awesome, I will share it when it comes out 👍
amen. I was also a trad catholic, becoming orthodox has been the best decision in my life so far.
Really? cool! If you ever want to share your story. Just message me on discord or send email (link on channel pages) and we can do Orthocast episode. God bless!
I love the Catholic Church for a lot of reasons.
But the reason I am moving from my conservative Lutheran faith toward Orthodoxy is because of all these reasons. If you want to be faithful to Christ's Church and study back to what most of the ancient Saints taught.... It's just the logical destination.
Though, the move has been hard. No Orthodox parish within an hour drive, I work every Sunday, I cant afford the transit right now with my gas guzzling trucks, and my wife converted from Catholicism to Lutheranism when I showed her all the contradictions. She is so involved in the church (teaches Sunday school, three of her friends are Lutheran pastor's wives).
And of course, there is an LCMS church two blocks away..... my soul is torn because I don’t want to keep my kids out of going to church. I want it to be part of their lives. But I want to move out of the church I keep attending.
It's not easy, but it's the right thing to do.
@Slowboy Whiteboard I know. Just hoping God makes a way for me to manage.
@@MajorMustang1117 I'll pray for you brother
Talk with the closest priest orthodoxyinamerica.org/ they can help guide you in this troubling time. God bless!
Traditional Catholicism leads to heaven.
Kyle you have no idea how helpful your channel has been to me, you are truly an answer to my prayers, please keep up the good work and God bless ☦
Glory to God!
Amazing content my friend please keep going. I’m going to share this on X because people just need to hear this
thanks! and share this: twitter.com/OrthodoxKyle/status/1654687207805034496
man i love your videos, i was born catholic but i started learning about Orthodoxy a few months ago, im visiting my first Orthodox church in a few weeks, your videos have helped me educate myself on the Orthodox church, thank you ☦️
Glory to God!
As a Serbian Orthodox, I always supported the Irish resistance against the British imperialism. Tiocfaidh ár lá!
New Kyle Video! lets Go!
2 videos in 2 days? Thank you Kyle, God bless 🙏
I wish I could post more!
youre my fav youtuber right now, keep it up
thanks!!
We're aware of Orthodoxy. They're essentially national churches, similar to protestantism.
I became Orthodox a few days ago and I am trying to convince my protestant family to take me to an Eastern Orthodox church but they won't and I am only a teenager and I can't drive. What should I do?
Find the nearest Priest: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ email them and let them know your situation.
Join discord discord.gg/orthodoxchristian & this discord.com/invite/wtqDsy4eVs we have people that can help
watch this: th-cam.com/video/9H6Uwk3z-Mw/w-d-xo.html
let me know if you have any other questions!
Glory to God!
Pray my friend! Do the 1 thing you can do and let God handle the 99 you cannot.
Hey, Kyle! I don't know if you remember me, but I've been an inquirer to Orthodoxy from Catholicism for a while and your videos have helped me a lot. I'll be attending my first Divine Liturgy tomorrow!
I’m considering Orthodoxy too as a Catholic. Have you heard/read any “deal breakers” in regards to Orthodoxy being the continuation of The Church Jesus founded yet?
@@liam77877 Not at all, everything points to it being the true Church! When you read the Fathers without the papal apologist glasses on, it is clear that they were Orthodox to the core. The condemnation of Popes like Honorius in the Ecumenical Councils is enough to destroy the dogmas in Vatican I
@@aceven2raa Is there anything in particular you’ve seen that disproves The Papal claims? What about The Formula of Hormisdas? What about the keys being given to Peter clearly and The Apostles receiving them (my interpretation) because they were in communion with Peter?
@@liam77877look up Jay dyers “interpretation”/ explanation of “Peter and the keys”
Glory to God! reach out if you have any questions... What was your name?
Brother, Thank you for all you do. I’ve been searching for my faith for a long time. I was raised Protestant by a former Catholic. I always had my issues with some of the teachings and I happened upon orthodoxy a year or so ago. This video removed all remaining doubts, I am planning to convert this year.
Good stuff man, very concise
So much informations in one video ! Thanks brother for delievring such an exceptional content. May God help us into knowing more and more about the True Faith.
Thanks for the comment, God bless!
These videos are exquisite 👌
thanks! I appreciate you being a member 👍
Very based, Kyle, thank you. 🤜🏻🤛🏻☦️
What’s the name of the chant in the end? And can you please refer me to a good playlist? Also I love these refuting Catholicism-videos. Keep them coming! Christ is Risen ☦️
Holy Mount Athos - Orthodox chanting. Monks from Mount Athos - Greece
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I don't have playlist but search
Ubi Petrus Catholic
Jay Dyer Catholic
Watch these videos: twitter.com/OrthodoxKyle/status/1654687207805034496
Πολύ ωραίο βίντεο Kyle !
Хрiстос анести
@@ivanipatov6559 Αληθώς Ανέστη!
I think the growth of Western Rite Orthodoxy in the United States will help bring traditional Catholics into the Orthodox Church. Some people prefer/are more comfortable with Western traditions.
Pray for them!
@@OrthodoxKyle western rite Orthodoxy is like messianic Jews . A silly group formed centuries after Christ
@@HolyChurchOfChrist85437 They’re under the Antiochians and ROCOR. They use pre schism Western liturgies or theologically corrected Western liturgies. They are Orthodox. The West was Orthodox for the first millennium. I don’t see any problems with reclaiming the Western traditions for Orthodoxy. It’s not really comparable to Messianic Judaism.
The background music choices go hard
you gotta relax with the discord notification sound effect, got me a couple times
haha
I have been going down an Orthodox journey as a baptised Catholic and former atheist. One of the people I couldn't seem to oppose were those arguing for instead this 'traditional' Catholicism. I had a general idea of why it couldn't be reconciled but was not learned enough to argue it. Another fringe group/s that pop up here and there in discissions are these Ebionites/'neojudaics' (hope you understand what I mean bybthat) and was wondering if you had anything to watch or read concerning them?
Ebionites? Watch my video Messianic Judaism Debunked, they are Judaizing the faith which is condemned heresy. Have you visited an Orthodox Church yet? orthodoxyinamerica.org/ join the discord (link in description) if you have questions. God bless!
Latin Mass is neat. Hope more Orthodox parishes are created for Western Rite Orthodoxy.
That would be awesome.
We have a western rite church where I live and I want to go but unfortunately there’s quite the stigma against it, just because it’s western and “looks” Roman Catholic. It’s really a shame because I am excited about the prospect of restoring western Europe’s original expression of Christianity through the Gregorian liturgy.
@Harry Garris exactly. I was part of an Old Catholic (not to be confused with Roman Catholic) mission, and the bishop was in talks to join ROCOR. But the talks with ROCOR and the Old Catholics broke down. It was a perfect opportunity to make a Western Rite. Of course, the OC mission failed, Old Catholics are just too small of church to keep them running. Now, I have to travel a good distance to a ROCOR parish. A Greek parish is in the same area as the ROCOR, thought about visiting there one Sunday. While I have a Greek ancestor, it would be nice to preserve Western liturgies in a Western Rite Orthodoxy.
@@MrSmith-zy2bp It's possible, as an alternative, to use the Byzantine Rite (like all the other Eastern Orthodox churches) but integrate into it some typical latin pre-schismatic elements into that? I mean, the usage of latin language, the vestements of the clergy (like the Saints and Old Roman bishops of the latin West), the easthetics that mix the byzantine and latin iconography but with the byzantine roots that are common to the rest of the Eastern Orthodox churches?
Great video
thanks!
Great stuff! I as an RCC I grew up not knowing anything about Orthodoxy, even into my adulthood. I always was kind of taught that the Orthodox were just another Protestant denomination that happened to be very close to Catholic. I was never taught much Church history as an RCC. We were just taught catechism and apologetics and I was always just taught that Jesus founded the RCC. This is eye opening!
Thanks! check out these videos: twitter.com/OrthodoxKyle/status/1654687207805034496
should help. feel free to reach out on twitter or discord.
Come visit a Church: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
@@OrthodoxKyle Thanks Kyle!!
Hey Kyle, I'm RC who attends Mass said by priests of the SSPX. I converted to Catholicism because I wanted the Traditions and truths of Christianity. I am now heavily drawn to the Orthodox Church for mostly liturgical and theological reasons, but I am stuck in this horrible position where half my allegiance lies with Rome and the other half lies with the Orthodox.
This is difficult for me because it seems that I am stuck in the middle. I have also recently married in the RC Church and I think my marriage would be destroyed if I converted to Orthodox. Do you have any advice or suggestions for me during this time?
Thanks man, I appreciate your work. God bless!
Take it slow. Be Patient Come visit: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
DO NOT ARGUE. Just inquire and talk to a Orthodox Priest, they should be able to help you. Do not alienate your partner. Be very careful and communicate with your partner
God bless!
Speaking of Taylor Marshall, he just announced his candidacy for the presidency of the United States. Don't know much about him and even some of my Catholic friends don't know him.
SSPX wasn’t excommunicated just Archbishop Lefebvre and the consecrated bishops.
Also there are plenty of saints who held views that don’t align 100% with official church teaching like Saint Thomas Aquinas or Saint Robert Bellarmine.
I feel like I would be a lot more comfortable with the idea of orthodoxy if their was a western tlm type mass and church attached to it, but I’m still leaning to staying catholic because I haven’t been convinced the filoque is wrong
There is a western rite in Orthodoxy. Not sure how widely spread it is tho...
Traditional Catholicism just made me more Catholic.
But how do you reconcile the pre & post Vatican II teachings.. and then such drastic changes to the liturgy? It also seems like most traditional people attempt to reject all of this (but as I showed you have to accept all). I think you said before that you accept these changes? I just don't see the harm in being Orthodox & the average parish experience is going to better than Novus Ordo church. Rome has basically admitted they are wrong for Great Schism. I pray that Catholics become Orthodox!
@@OrthodoxKyle At the end of the day, I'm just not compelled by Orthodox apologetics. There is beauty in the East, but there are problems also. To be honest, I'd sooner become an atheist than Orthodox or Protestant.
The Catholic Church at it's core is the bedrock of Western Civilization. I love its contributions to music, art, philosophy, theology, etc. But more than that, I love how universal it truly is, how seriously it has taken it's mission of evangelization.
The Catholic Church is represented in the global South and East, which is largely ignored by the Orthodox. The Church there has largely been a force against tyrants like in the Phillipines and South Korea, as well as in Sub-Saharan Africa.
Theologically, I accept the Pope's authority and don't frankly care about the constant soyjacking about things like the Filioque, and I think most normal people don't really care (I accept the Catholic view).
I think that the traditionalist mindset you experienced might have driven you away because we Catholics are just as vulnerable as anyone to succumb to pride and gossip, and the criticism of this current papacy can lead one to wonder why stay Catholic if you don't like the Pope?
At the end of the day, I equate my relationship with our Pope to the relationship with my father. I might not always like what my dad has to say, but I am bound to honor him, to listen to him, and to interpret his words with kindness and charity.
At my core, I feel zero ties to the Eastern Orthodox tradition. I am ethnically Croat on my mother's side and have seen the ugliness of how the religious divide between Croats and Serbs can lead to war and suffering. I pray for unity, though I know not how or when it come, except through Jesus Christ. Pax Christi.
@@jonathanrogness4668 You have to also remember that we are taught a certain education / perspective on history that has Western Bias. (and I don't mean this in a leftist way)... I mean that our history glosses over the East... Much of that bedrock is from the Eastern Roman Empire.. Which most People in the West never learn about
Christian Orthodox Eastern Roman Empire Wrecked by West [Documentary]
th-cam.com/video/aceqI-Ai3Ks/w-d-xo.html
I like West civ art, music, philosophy too. I think it has a lot to offer but the East should be cherished also. Most people aren't even familiar with Eastern Theology or Eastern Church Fathers. I noticed that Catholic tend to focus on Augustine & Aquinas when we have soo much more.
Byzantine Theology by John Meyendorff is a good intro book.
"The Catholic Church is represented in the global South and East" The reality is that this can be largely explained by historical circumstances. France, Spain and Portugal were some of the biggest colonial powers that the world has ever seen. Naturally when they took over the world, they spread their religion also. I don't think this fact makes Catholicism true.
"which is largely ignored by the Orthodox. "
We have to consider historical circumstances. The East was under Ottoman Occupation for hundreds of years. Then also Communist.. And DESPITE that, Orthodoxy is spreading to all corners of the world. Look at this world map: kurskrootlodge.net/ParishLocator
Orthodoxy is growing everywhere.
th-cam.com/video/P596wPLmSVs/w-d-xo.html
I showed historical evidence against the Papacy in the video, but I think this article is easy to understand critique of Papal Infallibility. This view was never expressed in early Church, and how could a single man be infallible? even if just ex-cathedra...
orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/papism.aspx
I think Pope Francis is a symptom of a larger problem.. I think the other modern Popes have arguably been even more problematic . like John Paul 2. I don't see any way to justify his actions.. And I don't understand how Catholic Church radically changed their liturgy, it is so different then what it used to be & they are only trying to drive out TLM.
"At my core, I feel zero ties to the Eastern Orthodox tradition. " I don't feel any ties either? I am not Eastern, I am western. But I became Orthodox because they have the true teaching.
Think of First Century Gentile Christians, they could have said I feel zero ties to Jewish Christian Tradition".. But they didn't. The Gentile Christians joined the faith because they knew it was true. Also East & West share the first 1000 years so you should feel some ties to the East. Go check out a Melkite Catholic Church if you want to experience something close to the East, but I think Orthodoxy is the answer.
Thank you for leaving your comment, I like Catholics, great people but I pray they come to Holy Orthodox, God bless ☦☦
Yo Kyle could you do a video on orthodox church etiquette for inquirers, like how to greet a priest, ask for blessing, when to bow, when to prostrate/metania, when to cross during service and when not to, how to venerate properly (where to kiss), candle lighting ect. You led me to becoming an inquirer and God willing, i'll one day be reborn into the Body of Christ. Thank you God bless ☦🙏 ☦.
Glory to God! that is good idea.. I will write down and try to cover.
how to greet a priest: th-cam.com/users/shortsYUImPu2i6Xs
there are four levels of bowing
1. Just sign of cross
2. sign of cross and bow
3. sign of cross bow and touch the ground
4. sign of cross bow and prostrate
like this: th-cam.com/video/r4FaqRa1KFE/w-d-xo.html
Crossing during the service is just up to you. No rules. But good to cross a lot!
good questions!
Hi im not sure who will see this, but i was born into a sedevacantist family. I defended it for years until around when I graduated high school. I started to realize as i read the Bible and learned church history, the sedevacantist position makes no sense. However, i could never even imagine myself going to the norvus ordo ( i actually would say i would rather become non denominational before becoming norvus ordo).
I started attending a FSSP mass and then a Byzantine Catholic Church. The speaker in this video makes many good points. For my Orthodox brothers, where should i look for more information? For my RCC brothers, went should i remember and what maybe may he have misrepresented?
A very telling part was him showing all the Catholic apologetics, non of whom attend the Norvus Ordo
Watch these videos: twitter.com/OrthodoxKyle/status/1654687207805034496
Jay Dyer, Ubi Petrus, David Erhan are all VERY GOOD for Catholic Issues Vs Orthodox.
Join discord and we can answer your questions: discord.com/invite/wtqDsy4eVs
Email closest priest: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ visit if possible
Let me know if you have other questions. God bless!
When I went to both Protestant (Anglican) and Catholic churches, I never really felt like it was the true church of Jesus Christ. That's until I went to orthodoxy, and then everything changed. After I found Orthodoxy, my brother went to a local TCC, but after the recent ruling from the Pope, he went to Orthodoxy. My brother and I are now inquirers of the Russian Orthodox Church. I'm very glad that we found Orthodoxy.
4:02 Grandpa Dobri Pray for us 👑😍🙏🏻☦️❤️
🙏🙏
I discovered orthodoxy through the orthodox meme squads videos, pretty interesting, but I'm incredibly grateful
Glory to God!!
"The entire system is a contradiction"
Exactly.
To see one egregious example of the contradictions inherent in Roman Catholic ecclesiology brought to light, I recommend a thorough reading of "We Are All Schismatics", by Abp. Zoghby of the Melkite Catholic Church.
I am currently wrestling with whether to go Orthodox or Catholic as I likely move out of Anglicanism within the future. What is your opinion on Western Rite Orthodoxy? Coming from a Traditionalist Catholic background, I am sure you still appreciate much of the beauty of Western liturgics, so considering there are validly ordained clergy in the Orthodox Church (Antiochian) who celebrate the Liturgy of St Gregory, do you think that there is a value in maintaining the value of historic Western practice corrected to Orthodox understanding? I have found myself coming to greatly appreciate Western liturgics while also loving Eastern theology, so I am interested in the Western Rite Orthodox project. Or do you think broken theological tradition is too closely connected to the liturgical tradition itself?
Western Rite Orthodoxy is fine.. but do NOT DO heretical Western beliefs... I used to be Trad Catholic also. watch these twitter.com/OrthodoxKyle/status/1654687207805034496
th-cam.com/video/Bps21xNiV1c/w-d-xo.html
go to any Church on this map: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
join discord and reach out if you have other quesitons! discord.com/invite/wtqDsy4eVs
Many orthodox turn catholic brother this guy is misinformed and has statements that are anonymous and are not real sources even scholars agree that the Catholic Church is the oldest and most devout Christian church the orthodox try so hard to discredit but they have no arguments this guy Kyle was never a catholic and doesn’t even answer my questions I’ve asked him many times to answer my arguments and yet silence
As a new Catholic I must say you make a good case.
check out my other videos but you should visit an Orthodox Church: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ .. Join the discord discord.com/invite/wtqDsy4eVs let me know if you have any questions. God bless ☦☦
The trilingual heresy doesn’t really apply to traditional Catholicism because they do still affirm that other rites can use different languages. They only want Latin for the Latin rite
Many of the Trads that I met do all their prayers in Latin.. Most of them don't even know about the other rites.. they want Latin everywhere.. and the fact that it took until 1960s to finally allow other languages .. is odd. because all languages are fine!
@@OrthodoxKyle I've never met a catholic who knows about the traditional latin mass vs novus order distinction, but doesn't know about byzantine catholicism, etc. That's very unusual
My Orthodox brother! Its just a "strong" statement that Orthodox cruch was never making errors.
Thank you for this. I attended an SSPX parish and the infighting and general lack of charity was a very big turn-off. I mean the priest referring to the Pope as a 'bast**d is just wrong. He's a modernist jerk, but swearing during mass was a deal-breaker. Then another priest got into a fight with a parishioner, telling him he hoped his mother had a stroke. About three months later I left and became Orthodox.
WOW! glad you are Orthodox now! God bless!
@@OrthodoxKyle And may He bless you also!
Why would someone swear during mass? thats so wrong.
im so glad i was made orthodox.
@@OrthoKarter I wondered that myself and I was scandalised. Now I'm no saint in that area, but my very Lutheran mother would have walloped me had I ever sworn in any church. You don't even have to be Orthodox to know it's wrong. Thank goodness I don't have to worry about that happening in Orthodoxy.
I have just been received into the Catholic Church through an FSSP parish. I knew about Orthodoxy long before I knew about the Latin mass and now I fear that I have made the wrong decision in joining the Catholic Church. I’m so confused now and I don’t know what to do. I considered Orthodoxy first, I watched Orthodox Wisdom and I still do to this day. But somehow I managed to convince myself that Roman Catholicism is better, because it has the Papacy. I knew about the pagan stuff involving Pope JPII and his successors, the contradictions and errors of Vatican 2 and still justified them to myself and listened to other Trad Catholics justify it to me. All the mental gymnastics I had to do in order to make Vatican 2 not sound like heresy. I was skeptical of Papal infallibility. It didn’t make sense to me and it still doesn’t. Is the Pope over the councils? Is he equal to them? I need help guys cause I invested so much time into something that I was fully convinced is true despite the warning signs. I love the Latin Saints before V2. I love the Latin liturgy. But I also love Orthodox Saints, the orthodox liturgy, and I even have a chokti that I pray with everyday. I would feel so guilty to leave Roman Catholicism behind for Orthodoxy. All the people who took the time to teach me about the faith and welcomed me with open arms. I feel so stupid.
Just wanna tell you that you’re not alone and shouldn’t feel stupid. The truth isn’t always easy to find. I myself have been studying and struggling to determine which denomination is correct. Just a few months ago I was a clueless evangelical Protestant. I believe the Lord appreciates us searching for the best/correct way to honor him. That being said, for me, this video among Kyle’s other content is very convincing that orthodoxy is the truth.
1. Read this: orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/papism.aspx
2. " Pope over the councils? Is he equal to them?" Pope is sadly above the councils and no one judges the first see... It is dangerous and leads to current crisis in Catholic Church....
3. "I need help guys" Hey you are not alone.. I know so many people that SPENT YEARS AS A TRAD CATHOLIC living in denial .. by grateful you realized this now! Things are going to be OKAY! Check out Ubi Petrus Catholic videos and Jay Dyer Catholic Videos.. they were both trad and now Orthodox, they can help you in this confusing time...
4. We have Western Rite Orthodoxy and it is growing: th-cam.com/video/KT5bMJ1v62A/w-d-xo.html & th-cam.com/video/Bps21xNiV1c/w-d-xo.html
what you like is the reverence in the Liturgy and we HAVE that in the Divine Liturgy th-cam.com/video/_fSV9T-rK-E/w-d-xo.html
Come visit for yourself: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
DO NOT FEEL GUILTY or Stupid! You are overthinking this.. It is very hard to accept this at first.. it was very difficult for me but I am soo glad to be Orthodox. It makes more and more sense as you become more Orthodox... I tried talking to Trad Catholics and they could not answer my questions, some of them didn't even really care because they see Orthodoxy as having the same faith. My Old RCIA Novus Ordo teacher even said it was fine to become Orthodox haha.
Don't beat yourself up. you can email me or talk on discord discord.com/invite/wtqDsy4eVs if you have any questions. You are not alone.
God bless!
@@OrthodoxKyle You’re very kind thank you. I will use better judgement this time.
@@jamesbishop3091 Thank you man. I hope you stay with it!
@@saintyveslaurent before you listen to Jay dyer watch “Jay dyer exposed” by Mhfm
Kyle should make an Orthodoxy Iceberg and make a video explaining it
That would be a very long video, very long video. And potentially spiritually harmful for those outside the Church and those inside the Church tbh
@@mariorizkallah5383 How would it be harmful?
@@austinwalker1069 it would touch on a lot of “deep” things and it would not be beneficial to outline our deep theological doctrines and beliefs to people outside the Church who do not have divine illumination, and it could potentially confuse them
My father was raised catholic and my mother Presbyterian. When they married we attended the Presbyterian church. By the time I was 10 my mother had a falling out with the church and then god due in large part to feminism. I’m 45 now and have been attending an FSSP mass for a few months after 35 years of and agnosticism. As I dive deeper into my adulthood faith I’m starting to believe the lord is guiding me towards orthodoxy.
Come visit a Church! orthodoxyinamerica.org/
Talk to a Priest! God bless and reach out if you have questiosn!
Canonizations can’t be infallible. Who canonized Our Lady and St. Joseph? Diocesan bishops had the authority to canonize saints until the Council of Trent.
I actually found that orthodoxy leads to traditional Catholicism. Just my experience.
Couldn’t be more backwards.
how? and you cannot really differentiate "traditional" Catholicism and Catholicism... It is all or nothing system.. You have to accept last 60 years AS I showed in the video.. and they teach error.. What is wrong with Orthodoxy? what is lacking?
For now, I’m still a TradCath. But how, mate? I love the Latin Mass and I reckon it’s the best Western liturgical rite and I think there should be a Western Latin tradition in the Orthodox Church, but ultimately the truth is what matters the most. That’s why I’m here. Not whether I prefer the Latin rite or the Byzantine rite. But that’s the point. That’s why I’m watching these videos and many other Orthodox Christians like Ubi Petrus and Jay Dyer who were former Traditional Catholics btw. They haven’t gone back to Roman Catholicism for a pretty clear reason, but I don’t see how the opposite is happening. If you bring up Reason and Theology’s Michael Lofton for example, he’s more or less a liberal Catholic trying to scare TradCaths looking into Orthodoxy for simply observing how the church operated for the first millennium. In which case, the Orthodox Church makes much more sense to me because the Ecumenical Councils for one are infallible, but there’s nothing papal about them in terms of Vatican 1 standards. I’ve listened to hours worth of R&T but nothing cracked.
Sorry bro, but it seems pretty vice versa
This video made me even more Catholic 😂 ✝️🫶🏼
how?
Salve Cristo Rey y su Esposa la Iglesia que es Una Santa Católica y Apostólica! Dios guarde a nuestro Papa Francisco
18:20
My understanding is that there were a few Marian Apparitions before the schism, but they were far more rare and subtle, like Our Lady of Walshingham just months before the schism came to England, as a warning.
12:20 explanation about eastern catholics is that they used to be orthodox, but converted to catholicism due to historical geopolitical reasons, like in ukraine for instance, western ukranians are mostly eastern catholics, but due to polish/lithuanian commonwealth they are forced to accept pope and separaze from russian orthodox church, same goes for croatia and parts of herzegovina, due to the rule of venetians and habsburgs orthodox serbs were forced to accept pope especcially in dalmatia and later became croats
Just converted from Atheism! I've been looking into Orthodoxy as my denomination because I just feel a pull towards it!
Come visit: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
reach out if you have questions! God bless!
To the Church of Rome: 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, [e]goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.” Romans 11
Important quote, thanks!
Rome : The pope decided to add the filoque.
Orthodox : What? He can't do that. Only an ecumenical council can.
Rome : Yes he can. The pope is the Roman pontiff : whatever he says ex-cathedra is true.
Orthodox : What? Who said that?
Rome : The Roman Pontiff ex-cathedra.
Orthodox left the chat.
Protestants : We want to translate the bible from latin.
Rome : No way.
Protestants left the chat.
Rome : Enough with Latin. We will do the mass like the Protestants.
Traditionalists : Wait? Who decided that?
Rome : The ecumenical council of Vatican II.
Traditionalists : We don't accept that. We stand with the old dogma.
Rome : The old dogma says ecumenical councils has the last say.
Traditionalists : Maybe but we stand with the Roman Pontiff..
Rome : The Roman Pontiff kisses the Quran and the Pachamama.
Traditionalists : What? We reject both the ecumenical council and the Roman Pontiff because we stand with the ecumenical council and the Roman Pontiff.
The Church did translate the Bible into vernacular languages, fyi...
I am eastern catholic and researching RC vs Orthodox history trying to make sense of where EC fits in. Any recommendations beyond what you mentioned in the video? (Also thanks for all the stuff to look into from this video!) god bless
Jay Dyer: th-cam.com/users/livemB1rKWFqtbE?si=T9_2pp7sqS2FqVKL
Check out Ubi Petrus: www.youtube.com/@ubipetrus3882/videos
Ubi Petrus and Jay are great resouces.. Ubi has book recommendations on his website
th-cam.com/video/akkQtzb_XzE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=h9geAs_r7OEIN-3r
Come visit: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
reach out if you have other questions!
@@OrthodoxKyle much appreciated!!
@@dannylynch5732I’m orthodox and I don’t recommend Jay Dyer. The OCA website made it clear he didn’t represent orthodoxy on their website. Listen to him and you can tell the man is full of himself.
@@Castellano87why so? What's bad in Jay regarding orthodoxy?
Orthodoxy is liturgical protestantism; valid sacraments but still protestantism.
Ancient Church was refuting and rejecting heresies all the time. If you call that a "protestantism" then yes... we always protest to any heresy and Latins have a load of them.
It really does not. Orthodoxy led me to traditional Catholicism. But to each their own, i don't judge.
How? please explain? that makes no sense? Rome teaches error? Vatican I? Vatican II? New "Saints"???
God bless you for showing everyone this. Lord have mercy.
thank you (:
Good on you Kyle, for telling it straight. You're Orthodox to your finger tips and more than most of the "Orthodox-born".
if Orthodoxy is right, please explain to me why your leaders said it was wrong at the Council of Ferrara-Florence in 1439?
Politically motivated, via Ottoman threat, with the assumption that the Pope would send in reinforcements to defend Constantinople.
@@AkallebethWatcher still said it, if they had so much faith in their religion wouldn't they put the Lord before that
@@Thuggyballs200
I really had no idea what the Palaiologi thought of those after recapturing Constantinople and before the Siege.
@@AkallebethWatcher ok
EO Bishops arent under the same scrutiny that the Pope is. We dont claim that every bishop is infalliable and that we must be in communion with these bishops.
Good video
why say ''orthodox vs catholic'' instead creating a mindset of catholic AND orthodoxy. Even though history has separated our theology, but we can compliment each other instead of creating the mentality of ''us against them''
love from a catholic
I was born and raised Novus Ordo Catholic, in the most Catholic part of the US. From my experience the vast majority of Catholics have no clue what the TLM is, are practically protestant but Catholicism has some ethnic importance to them, and they care very little for who the Pope is or what he says. It always makes me chuckle when the trads make broad statements on the positions most Catholics have towards all the modernism. Most Catholics don't even think of Vatican 2 as modernism to them it's just normal Catholicism, nor do they take their faith seriously they are just lukewarm Christians. Trads live in a bubble that prevent them from making accurate statements on their own religion, sad.
Pray for them 🙏🙏
0:09 Most people in the United States*.
I want to rectify with respect and candor because I believe that your great country has this small defect on Christianity that several other countries of the West do not have. I don't throw stones, I live in Canada. hahaha
Keep up the good work Kylie boy!
Yeah thanks for your video. I'm a trade Catholic myself. I went to the SSPX for 2 years but now I'm considering orthodox
It is a privilidge to be Orthodox. I converted almost 10 years ago. I used to be a Conservative Catholic, then a Sedevacantist. By the grace of God, I was led to Orthodoxy and now I am married with an Orthodox family.
How beautifull, having a family under Christ in His Church
I agree totally with you Kyle. However, there are some places in the world where there are no Orthodox Churches where one can be part of. The only alternative is a Catholic Church. If I could become Orthodox i would be running to join. The Lord knows our situation and indeed places us and with that I must be content. But my question is what does one do when there is no Orthodox Church within a days drive?
This is a good question for a Priest: kurskrootlodge.net/ParishLocator email your closest and priest and let them know your situation. They can help you out! we also have discord discord.com/invite/wtqDsy4eVs if you need help. God bless ☦
@@OrthodoxKyle ...thank you for replying!!