@alfredpersson-br7yk Do what Jesus did and fend it off with scripture Read the bible and pray and fast constantly against it Remember 1 john 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
I find it disagreeable the way you assert that orthodoxy is the sole path to salvation, which I respectfully deem inaccurate. Identification as orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant does not guarantee entry into heaven. The key lies in the belief that God sent His only son to redeem humanity. Salvation is contingent on unwavering faith, not denomination. Refrain from presenting orthodoxy as the exclusive route to salvation, acknowledging the diversity within Christian denominations. The perception of orthodoxy as flawless is misleading, given theological variations. Despite my frustration with the absence of a unified Christian church, it's essential to address the nuances of belief systems. Orthodox doctrine, notably the belief that the Holy Spirit proceeds solely from the Father, requires examination. A persuasive case for the authenticity of orthodoxy, considering the theological stance on the Holy Spirit, could prompt me to explore this faith further.
Actually catholics participate in the byzantine catholic eucharist see it as the one true eucharist of there the church ,but in it is Gregory Palamas as a saint from the proskomide .
I really hate when people use “denomination hopping” as an argument. There’s nothing wrong with people looking for truth and find out they’re wrong multiple times.
It actually IS wrong, because you can find the truth and be right the FIRST time. You dont need to keep on making the same mistakes over and over again in order to get something right! I know that I don't need to sorcery(pharmakeia) in order to know its going to temporarily and long term destroy me and send me to hell.
In the early 2000s, I spent a lot of time over 5 years or so engaged in arguing apologetics w/ CS Lewis Society. The best apologists in our group were a RC, a Reformed protestant, a secular philosopher and a skeptic. I was vaguely protestant myself at the time and got my lumps and also several lumps "in" as it were, too. The main takeaway from all of the time and research I spent was that the intellect is barely a problem. It's the heart that is the problem. One particular protestant (a Baptist preacher) was mean-spirited towards our RC host/moderator, but the moderator would not engage in specific doctrinal disputes, resigning himself to a "mere Christianity" vs secular/atheist argumentation instead. The Baptist made some snide remarks about the Eucharist which were even offensive to me. So I took up his challenge to "prove" the Eucharist as RC's understand it. He conceded in the end saying that he still couldn't accept the facts I had delivered, but he was thankful that I was on the Christian side of the argument. This left me with a dilemma of my own. As a protestant who had now sufficiently *proven the "Real Presence", how could I remain protestant myself? I couldn't. I like to tell people now that I spent many years doing Christian apologetics and the only person who ever converted was me. Ultimately, I ran into the same issues with the RCC as you have elucidate time and again, and it left me despondent, tbh. I didn't actually grasp and had not looked closely enough at the differences between EO and RCC to see the actual distinctions. Long story short, my wife and I were made Catechumens at our Antiochian parish just before Lent this past winter and are now firmly on the path to reception into full communion next Pascha. I'm not a big believer in the efficacy of apologetics, for the reason(s) stated above. It has value to the individual who chooses to actually engage the arguments with a clear eye on their own motives, but aside from that, I find little to recommend in apologetics--viewing it as one tool in the box rather than the go-to hammer that fixes most things. That said, exposure to argumentation can be the catalyst for that individual to question their own assumptions, ignorance(s) and motivation, and it does hold value in that regard. In the end, it still comes down to the heart far more than the head and has much more to do with intellectual pride than it does with heartfelt humility and/or concern for the Truth, imo.
Kyle has been diagnosed with terminally online internet christian syndrome 😂😂😂 I wonder how many psychiatrists recognise the existence of such syndrome
Yo Kyle. U do a good job. I was raised in a German/russian protestant church then lost all faith for almost 10 yrs after turning 15 or 16. I am now 23 yrs old trying to convert to orthodoxy. U helped a ton with understanding the orthodox church and faith, so yea u really do get the message out there, I mean u reached me, a random guy from Germany. God bless you and everybody watching this
As someone who came back to Catholicism after an atheistic haze in college your videos are captivating. I must admit I think it’s hard to check out or be open to Orthodoxy just because many of the churches are ethnically based.
@@Eliyahu_777 I mean the churches are Greek, Serbian, Romanian, etc. It seems like most orthodox churches are designated for people that come from those cultures.
@@Eliyahu_777 And that's not the point he's making, he's saying Orthodoxy as a whole is more ethnically-based, compared to Catholicism which lives up to the name (catholic meaning universal) where I go to mass and see Irish, Italians, Indians, Spanish, Mexicans, Native Americans, Asians, etc. This doesn't disprove Orthodoxy, but you have to admit Catholicism even if you consider it false, is way more universal.
Hey I was raised as catholic but I watched your videos and also other TH-camrs to back up the certain claims and I also did some more research on Google as well and I am interested in being orthodox but there isn’t any Eastern Orthodox churches in my country there are mostly Ethiopian churches but I just don’t know what to do cause all I want to do honestly is just praise God and have closer relationship with Jesus that’s my goal but idk what to do
what country? use these: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ kurskrootlodge.net/ParishLocator email the closest priest watch these: th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8f7aOVmFtDRBBdTxpfO7k4w.html&si=-a9yaQxkXMSVnPRS join discord and talk to priest also: discord.gg/orthodoxchristian
Good stuff as always, Kyle! Roman Catholic here, do you know if the orthodox at this point have an official stance on the death penalty or any writings/content on it that you’d reccommend? Thanks for all you do.
Yes, Orthodox Church is against the death penalty. You can research that topic at the websites... for example... Patriarchate of Moscow search for document "Basis of the Social Concept"... Patriarchate of Constantinople search for document "Social Ethos".
I saw you put my comment in your video lol. Ps I’ve actually seen all your videos :p. I’ll make a video response at some point to the points you put at the end of the Cyberdoxy section.
@@OrthodoxKyle okay before I go on don’t take me for like a rad trad or some mhfm tard but I’m a sedevacantist so no. For me I just think the Catholic theology and dogma just makes more sense than the Orthodox. This isn’t me being ignorant I really gave Orthodoxy a chance and I read some of the Triads by Gregory Palamas. I just wasn’t convinced personally. The Catholic faith just makes more sense to me, it would make this comment too long if I went into all of it. Btw I kind of regret being uncharitable in my Reddit comment that wasn’t cool. You make really good videos for the most part. Sorry about that.
@@OrthodoxKyle Also sorry for feeding into that Reddit comment considering I had a similar path in my faith. Atheism to Christianity then from there deciding between denominations. There is nothing wrong with figuring out your spiritual life and I’ve always found that critique shallow.
@@fearlesscrusader007 thank you. God bless! watch these: th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8dRxtTvcdACuo3AOkvB9eb3.html&si=EW-fYMNqiWZQx397 reach out to talk / questions
Keep up the good work with your TH-cam videos. You are unique, and your videos are great Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name. Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
me too. Raised Orthodox, at 20 something had a fall where I lost my faith, and had to go through nihilistic depression for almost a decade before I found my faith again.
I was raised Orthodox, got a bit deceived by Protestant teachings in my teens when I was still ignorant even to the point of me feeling weird venerating icons, but thankfully never left the church and grew stronger than ever in my Orthodox faith once I started learning.
I am a catechumen in the Orthodox Church and you have played a small role in my conversion from Protestantism. Although your role wasn’t big, I’m not sure if I would be here without you
Come visit a Church: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ Check out my videos on Trent Horn, Steve Ray, Michael Lofton, Brian Holdswroth! reach out if you have questions! God bless!
I actually made the meme at 6:59 referring to the smudging ritual, when the Pope came to Alberta (my home province) to do that. I’d already went down the trad Roman Catholicism pipeline. By that time, I considered going Byzantine Rite. Luckily I just skipped the silly Byzcath LARPing and went to a ROCOR 15 minutes away (in a city of about 100 000 people, so I was lucky there was one nearby). I wish I converted to Orthodoxy for a better reason than one of the many papal scandals, but what can I say, you just fall in love with the beautiful theology, that’s what kept me.
@@acekoala457 he actually visited the ROCOR I attended and was baptized in! (Assumption of the Holy Virgin, Lethbridge), I was keeping up with that news with parishioners on their instagram page. I moved to Newfoundland to take care of some relatives about a month before his first visit, I currently attend an OCA Mission, Holy Lady of Vladimir, St. John’s now. Edit: I just double checked the instagram and realized he moved there to be the priest! I hope my fellow parishioners enjoy his company!
Redditors in action. My husband is a cradle Catholic, joining me in catechumens to EO now. (I was raised Baptist/New Age). Hes definitely doing more bouncing than an atheist who finds truth over time. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Its not wrong to critique and debate, but this was just a personal attack. Let us all pray for these Catholic brothers and sisters that they can be more Christ like. 🙌
That’s one thing I don’t get about the European church over time is the development of anti-Semitism among some some Christians it wasn’t a thing in the early centuries, and only criticisms of Judaism specifically the religious Jews that rejected Jesus as Messiah.
@@justchilling704 Its because in early Christianity, usery of any kind was forbidden. However, Jews were free to perform usery, so usually they were banks and loaners. Theres not much point for a Christian who couldnt gain interest to be a banker or loaner. So usually what happened is a Christian or Christian emperor/king/pope would borrow money from the Jewish banks and then not be able to pay them back. So they would get out of it by calling them Christ killers and either banning them from the city/country or by outright killing them. That is how the myth of the all powerful and money hungry Jew came about
Kyle, just like you say in this video: your short and precise videos on Orthodoxy actually sparked my interest and curiosity enough to even go and check out all of the longform guys. I'm sure many would say the same. You're filling your niche just fine; these guys are just angry because of their inability to defend their "West is the Best!" mindset from your arguments.
@Kyle, Here is an orthodox christian in a "traditionally orthodox" country - Bulgaria. I am thanking God seeing pure orthodox faith in a country so far away. Brother, I am writing you with an urgent request to raise a voice in defense of orthodoxy against avarice (simony) that holds in captivity (almost) the whole of the orthodox church in the east (in Bulgaria for sure). I am speaking about the practice of requiring money (taxes) for performing the sacraments on the faithful - there are taxes to get baptized, to marry and to be included in the prayers by the priesthood. There are no taxes for the Holy Mysteries probably only because it was directly condemned by the 6th Ecumenical Council. I tell you, brother, there is not a single voice in my country condemning this abomination - so successful is this scheme of the dragon. Please make a video about this proclaiming the eternal orthodox belief condemning avarice (simony) in the most severe terms.
Ask for the Intercessions of St. Raphael of Brooklyn. He fought against Simoniacs in his Homeland in Syria while in Exile. Taxes for any of the Sacraments is condemned at the 6th Ecumenical Council, including Marriage, Baptism, Ordination.
Look I'm from Greece. We have a similar tradition here for sacraments like baptism and wedding. If you want to make a baptism or a wedding for free because you can't afford one, you can. BUT, if you're having a glamorous and expensive ceremony it's really cheapy on you not to give something to the church. Don't forget that people like the chanter and the guy's keeping up/cleaning the church and helping the priest during the sacrament need to get paid nowadays because they take time from their day to be there for you. You see guys having a $5000-$10000 wedding feast for 300+ guests and cheap out and complain for the $50-$200 the church asks for the people I mentioned and the electricity...For all the other simple prayers giving money is optional here ($1-$5 totally on you). The worst thing that can happen if you don't give anything is a weird look but it's really rare tbh.
Great video Kyle. I’m Protestant but I have to say, your videos have made me grow curious about orthodoxy. I have to admit that there are a few things I don’t understand about it though.
@@OrthodoxKyle I’ll definitely look those books up, although I’m not American, and I don’t live there so I’ll have too see if there are any orthodox churches near where I usually am.
@@OrthoLou I’m a student, so I jump between the UK (where I study), Belgium (where I’m from) to visit my grandparents, and the UAE (where my parents live)
Kyle, I had heard about Orthodoxy years ago from Tristan Haggard (known as Primal Edge Health at the time) and never really delved into it when I was finding my faith and my way back to Christ. I eventually fell into Protestantism because I knew nothing about apologetics for Christian denominations, just that Christ was God and Christianity was true. I stumbled upon your page several months ago and through binge-watching you, as well as Jay Dyer and many other Orthodox Christian channels and joining the Orthodox discord, I decided to become Orthodox. I attended my first divine liturgy just over a month ago and have now been in contact with the Father of that church, I'm currently an inquirer but hope to become a catechumen and eventually a full part of this church. Thank you.
Hey, Kyle! I'm a Presbyterian Christian, and I've been watching your stuff for a while. You've given me a lot of insight towards Orthodox Christianity, and I'm considering converting to it (given more time and research). I want to thank you for giving me this vast pool of knowledge towards Orthodox Christianity :]
Awesome! you should get the book Rock and Sand by Fr Josiah Trenham, he was Presbyterian, not Orthodox Priest th-cam.com/video/FZ-s3CnwngQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=b12yC3Yf8M4coXnh Visit a Church: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ reach out if you have questions
I’m catholic and I love your channel. I just skip the anti catholic videos. Your editing style is awesome and hilarious. I love when you put in the scary chilling music and the “wrong” And the grunt sound and all that lol
A former Catholic raised and born into it, it’s changed simply from my childhood I can only imagine how much they’ve changed from my grandparents in the 60’s, MOST CATHOLICS don’t know anything more then your low level Protestant I.e. biblical stories/gospels and that’s about it
Thank you for making these videos, truly their only attampt at an argument against Orthodoxy is to strike at your character, it is very disappointing. Pray for them ☦️
I personally don't have anything against Orthodoxy, but Kyle makes me wanna to speak up for the Catholic church. This just came off like a childish rant. I would have to ask that there be better communication between Catholics and Orthodox Christians.
Same, as a Catholic who really respects Orthodoxy but intellectually and spiritually knows Catholicism has the fullness of the truth, it's next to impossible listening to Kyle and other "Orthodox apologist" who scream and shout bs.
Why do people always throw in there terms like , retort, rebuttal, refutation, ad hominem and other intro to logic vacab? It's like they pretend to be lawyers. We're not all going to go back and forth with. I don't think I came off silly. My comment was pretty simple to begin with. So I don't expect hot headed people to get riled up so easily. Some TH-camrs post nothing but hate or slanderous videos about the Catholic church, but I for one think the faith of the Christian Orthodox Church is a beautiful faith. God would surely welcome you into his kingdom. As well as many Catholics. We're not gonna agree on everything I suppose but we're not opposed to each other. We both want to protect the church and fulfill God's commands. We want to be better Christians and perfect our faith as best we can. Let's use our time wisely.
A lot of people “bounce” around trying to find the truth. Funnily enough, most will stop bouncing around once they find Orthodoxy. Unless they are stuck in modernism. Even still, many will go back. I pray the Catholics put their full trust in Jesus Christ and not the Pope. ☦️🙏🏻
@@Iustusxi 1 Timothy 3:1 “If a man desires the office of a bishop, he desires good work.” Bishops have been around since the beginning. Protestants also have them in their churches. The Orthodox recognizes, however, that a bishop is also just a man and therefore fallible. The Pope, according to the Catholics is not. Having bishops within the church is not hypocritical. it might do you some good to do further research on orthodoxy. Matthew 12:36 I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgement.
@@jlynn5680 lol where are you pulling this from. We don’t think the pope is God, or anything else. Hes just the bishop of Rome. The pope has always been an office in the Church.
Sorry that happened man. I had the same thing happen, though in a different setting. My father, my old pastor, and some friends, said the same thing. That I "bounced around" from my cradle church (Lutheran) to agnostic, and back Lutheran. This wasn't a problem until I converted to Orthodoxy! Now, I'm just an idiot who doesn't really know Jesus because I bounced around. Real fun.
I would love it if I was helped making a "discernment ministry pipeline to Orthodoxy" since I've had an interesting ride from non-denominationalism to Orthodoxy which took me through the Missouri synod Lutherans.
The Catholic friend of yours slandering you reminds me of the deceitful, weaselly Catholic who went on one of Jay Dyer’s streams and initially claimed he wasn’t a Catholic (although he later had to confess that he was).
Eugenia Constantinou is a biblical scholar who taught at a Catholic seminary. This has led to understanding Catholics in a very unique way. She has put our a four-part series "Thinking Orthodox" where she discusses many differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. Highly recommended.
Kyle, you are dedicating too much time to this. They refuse even to look into Orthodoxy and if they did they would follow your example. People are convinced in their thing and refuse to budge because they feel insecure. Let them be. If they wanted they could research for themselves.
I got a genuine lol over "did you have too many pints with Aquinas?"😂 Could always do a compare of "saint" Mother Teresa, her friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell's father, a Mossad agent, as well as Hilary Clinton (and the orphanage they opened in D.C. that had children go missing from [and a Clinton office worker 'died' just before coming forward on the subject]).😱 at that point you MAY still want to talk about the Indian hospice center she ran where the nurses just washed used needles w water because "the patients were going to die anyways."😇😪 Vs... I dunno, someone like Elder Ephraim of Arizona, not even canonized yet.. but even my own parish priest saw him surrounded in a giant, brilliant light, brighter than the sun in broad daylight. Also said shortly before he died "soon the world will turn around and wear a mask." He reposed Dec 2019... a little over a month later mask mandates began in the U.S. Nevermind many of my personal friends who received blessings from him and said they could immediately sense tremendous grace, peace and holiness just being around him.
"They couldn't answer my questions." Well that sounds familiar. Not knowing is fine, and so is asking questions. But when one's only response, while being confronted with new information, is to personally attack the person giving it, they are never in the right.
I am so joyful about your enthusiasm for the Holy Orthodox Traditions, and your no-bullshit way of saying things like they are :D . Thank you for showing such faithfulness to Truth! God bless you and the continuation of your channel
The person who left the initial comment is just confused seeing somebody make actual life changes based off new information in pursuit of the the truth. Using the term “bounce around” in reference to a secular atheist person finding faith in Jesus Christ at any point is crazy. Shame on them
There wasn’t an argument made in the post. The post was about Kyle himself so that’s why I made my comment about him. If it were Kyle who made the post and made arguments I would’ve replied to whatever arguments were made but that’s not what the post was about.
That former Catholic friend of yours that said he would rather be an atheist than Orthodox showed his true colors. St Gregory Palamas in his debates with Barlaam said that the essence of Latin Catholicism eventually leads to atheism.
Although I'll only be able to formally convert and attend a Church if I move to another city/country because of the scarce presence of The Church in my country, I think discovering Orthodoxy, through your channel by the way, was one of the happiest and most fulfilling moments in my life. Thank you, Kyle
Thus channel is almost completely anti-reddit now and I love it. Glory to God for all things and for keeping everyone watching this video alive and loved. ❤️☦️
The thing that kept me away from Christianity when I was kid was, I didn't know the differences between denominations and assumed all Christians were like Catholics. Soon as I discovered Orthodoxy, I left Islam and converted to Christianity. And I still hate Catholics 😂
Kyle, Christ is risen! Be blessed and strong in the faith of our Holy Fathers of the early and seven ecumenical synods of the undivided Church which we have in common with the Roman Catholics before the great schism. Only we can reach unity with our Christian brothers of the west when they accept the tradition of the One, Holy, Catholic = Universal, Apostolic Church which the orthodoxy has kept without additions or subtractions. We have to face and struggle against the great heresy of ecumenism which is destroying the unity of our Church and to protect our flocks from the spreading of woke theories among the clergy and laity. Remember that our Lord Jesus Christ said in Matthew 5:18 : “For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished”. In Christ, Fr. Amphilochios Pikias from Rhodes, Greece.
So much respect to you Kyle, you're an inspiring guy, it's tough losing friends for the truth, but God bless those who do.☦️☦️☦️ "He who loses his life for my sake shall find it"
I'm from the Philippines in bulacan I NEED AN ORTHODOX CHURCH CLOSE TI MY HOUSE LITERALLY WHY CANT I IM 14 AND I WANT TO DO IS WORSHIP GOD IN HIS TRUE CHURCH BUT I CANT BECAUSE IM POOR AND HAS NO CLOSE ORTHODOX CHURCH
@@OrthodoxKyle thank you thank you i really appreciate you responding to this i didn't know what to do before but now because of you I wanted to be an Orthodox Christian you're advice is really nice I really appreciate it I just watched one of you're video on how to live as an Orthodox Christian half of those I can't do because I have no church really appreciate thank you thank you so much.
You're a good man Kyle. Something I've learned is that as we grow, we leave behind those who were unable to grow themselves. It's extremely hard, especially when you really care about them, but you have to learn how to live how YOU are supposed to live, not let others force their ways down your throat. I remember feeling like I needed to help them, to lead them away from what I saw was a dark path, but I've realized that the only reason I was able to leave that path myself was my own intuition changing and my mindset shifts. Nothing anyone directly said to me made me grow, but only consistent failure and self-thought did.
Very impressive you left your friend group to pursue what is right. Such things happen. I had to leave modernistic western spirituality for it as well, though many of them weren't really that good of friends, nor was the relationship so stable because it doesn't really have a shared value system. I'll definitely check out your works on orthodoxy. I came from a protestant place geographically myself, so I never got deep into catholocism. I heard the criticism of papal ineffability before, and heard other people I respect also find grace in orthodoxy. So yeah will check it out. I also make videos regarding Christianity as a recent convert. Peace
16:09 Something similar happened to me actually. I was debating with a Catholic who kept saying Orthodoxy was heretical, but still has valid sacraments. Apostolic Canons 45-46 refute this, early Church history refutes this. Heretics cannot have valid sacraments, and if Orthodoxy has valid sacraments, then we aren't heretics. Back to the point, I think he realized he was losing, so basically he pinged every single Catholic and used the cheapest insult to make it look like he was winning. I'll paste his exact words here: "@Catholic Look at this EO larper. The Filioque was apparently condemned but he’s not gonna tell me when or where 😂" I had to deal with this for practically all his comments. We had switched from talking about Orthodoxy to the Filioque. He pinged every Catholic in the discord server just to make himself more powerful. He tried to attempt to use insults to make his claims true, but much to his demise. I pray for him, for he clearly doesn't understand early Church teachings. The point of my comment is this. Many Catholic I've debated (at least 3-4) have said similar things. "Look at this EO fake Apologetic" "Look at this kid who thinks he understand big stuff" etc. These insults are terrible to use, it just makes the person I'm debating look like a fool. I never insulted anyone once because when I debate, I am actually serious and treat the other person with respect.
"Its not about Jesus" sounds like blasphemy. Of course it's about Jesus, we are to repent of our sins and turn to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, Glory be to Him Amen
Bouncing is not bad in my opinion. I have searched, read, and ask people about their religion because I did really want to believe something, participate in a parish, any parish. And this "searching time" took 10 years! I'm not joking, I did my search for 10 years. Now I'm 24, found the way, Orthodoxy. But before Orthodoxy, I thought the way is Orthodox Judaism, before that Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam, New Age things... I'm glad finally I'm home, and I'm glad that God let me do my search in my way and let me learn the World. Because thanks to this, I do not have any questions about Orthodox Christianity.
As long as the bouncing settles where one belongs, Christ's Church, then it may be beneficial for someone's soul to know the falsehoods but always to temper it with the truth.
Not mad just disappointed? Now Kyle's bouncing to Boomer Motherism. Jk. As if it's not awful enough to find a whole reddit thread about yourself, but by someone you know?? R/Catholicism is choq (haha) full of whiplash, I cant stand it there. And Gen Z gets a lot of crap but Xers and above didn't have to grow up with the internet, sorry Kyle.☹️
PS I recently saw a YT comment asking a Catholic creator to do a vid criticizing you, my son's a zoomer so I felt some sort of WAY about it, 🙏 for Kyle.
The Catholic kid slandering you is supposed to treat you as a brother, regardless of you converting to Orthodoxy. His pope commands him "Treat Orthodox as brothers; they're your separated brethrens with valid sacraments. Don't proselytise Orthodox Christians, they're our brothers!"
I'm really sorry you lost your friends when you converted, I'm blessed mine began inquiring shortly after I did too, and I hope in time that your friends will come home to Orthodoxy too. It's so funny to me when they argue with the "denomination hopping". In reality they don't care if you changed your mind thousands of times, as long as you end up submitting to Rome. They tried this against someone close to me too, he went from atheist, non-denom, inquired into catholicism and then Orthodoxy, they said he wasn't allowed to change his mind so many times, but they'd forgive him if he changed his mind one more time if he settled with catholicism... He wasn't even set on anything, just looking into things too, but they viewed him as a traitor. Don't worry or bother with any accusations of "anti-semitism", it's all the barkings of a dog who has been cornered. Their last effort to put you on the defensive. They sure do love saying "God sent the muslims and communists to punish you Orthodox", but I wasn't aware that catholics held a belief in prosperity theology. When they themselves are persecuted, they say "look, satan is attacking us because we are the True Church!", it's all nonsense. The "qudasha of mar nestorius" was quite a major reason me and some friends ruled out catholicism, I'm glad you brought it up. Eastern catholics, the one group they say all Orthodox should become, they know so little about it, and they assume the only thing that mattes to us is aesthetics. Thank you for reaching the Zoomer generation. My friends with shorter attention spans (no hate, not everyone can focus on very dense theological stuff with big words for hours) or less free time seem to really like your content. The end of the video made me cry, thank you little apple man for your wisdom, truly Orthodoxy is the most beautiful thing we have here, because it alone leads us to Christ 🥺🙏
My only major objection is the incorrect use of the word Catholic. I understand you may not want to sound insulting by using Papist, nevertheless, the name Catholic Church can only mean the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, which is the Orthodox Church. To this day we use Catholic as a descriptor of the Church. It is Orthodox and traditional. However, the Orthodox Fathers did not use terms like Catholicism, or the Vatican (which came after) or even Pontifex Maximus (also came later), and so perhaps one can use Catholicism or the Vatican rather than Papist to attempt to be non-offensive. At the very extreme maybe even Roman Catholic can be used for the Vatican, even though both these terms apply to Orthodoxy. At Vatican I, they departed from the 1st Ecumenical Council and defined their ecclesiology by the name Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church, which is the name they used to include the Eastern branches as well. It is Catholicity defined as that which is subject to the Roman Pontiff. In this sense Roman Catholic. This is the opposite of Catholicity, since it is what has been held universally by the whole Church. The Catholic Church refers only to Orthodoxy.
To add to your knowledge of word "catholic".. two Greek brothers St. Cyril and St. Methodius translated Church's books into the Church Slavonic language prior to going to evangelize Slavs.. term "catholic" was translated into word "soborny" which in turn means "conciliar". That translation can be used to correctly understand the meaning of the word "catholic" in those days just as Septuagint is witness of the prophecy of Isaiah about virgin conceiving that some ungodly men wanted to turn into "young woman" conceiving. To conclude, in our Creed we state: We believe in one, holy, conciliar and apostolic Church.
Kyle, your channel is an instrument that has helped many young people like me grow in learning and understanding the early church history and theology as well as the current affairs of the church. Keep doing what you're doing brother. "Blessed are those who falsely accuse you and punish you because of Me" matthew 5:11.
i pray for God to keep you humble. I never seen such brilliant man with such clear thinking embracing the truth and not falling to pride. Your knowledge puts us born Orthodox in Greece at shame. Here the "war" is fierce. They attack our educational system and we lost our Christian values .If it wasn't for Mt. Athos and the prayers of our Holy Mother Theotokos i believe we would surely perish both physically and spiritually. But seeing you gave me hope. God can bring people to truth anywhere in the world!! what a joy! Glory to God
You should make a video on the dialog between Robert Spencer and brother Rashid vs Daniel haquiqatou and the muslim metaphysician, the muslims said some wild stuff.
@@OrthodoxKyle they basically tried to make Christianity look like Islam, so they had a bizarre argument to say that Christianity has the death penalty for apostasy, and is ok with genocide.
1. In my videos I make lots of arguments with occasional Joke 2. That is a lot different then someone I used to know slandering me... online... and spreading lies...
Discord - discord.com/invite/wtqDsy4eVs
Twitter - twitter.com/OrthodoxKyle
@alfredpersson-br7yk Do what Jesus did and fend it off with scripture
Read the bible and pray and fast constantly against it
Remember 1 john 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
@alfred385Brother do the rosary everyday. And ask for freedom from lust in each mystery.
You need to read plot against the church.
I find it disagreeable the way you assert that orthodoxy is the sole path to salvation, which I respectfully deem inaccurate. Identification as orthodox, Catholic, or Protestant does not guarantee entry into heaven. The key lies in the belief that God sent His only son to redeem humanity. Salvation is contingent on unwavering faith, not denomination. Refrain from presenting orthodoxy as the exclusive route to salvation, acknowledging the diversity within Christian denominations. The perception of orthodoxy as flawless is misleading, given theological variations. Despite my frustration with the absence of a unified Christian church, it's essential to address the nuances of belief systems. Orthodox doctrine, notably the belief that the Holy Spirit proceeds solely from the Father, requires examination. A persuasive case for the authenticity of orthodoxy, considering the theological stance on the Holy Spirit, could prompt me to explore this faith further.
Actually catholics participate in the byzantine catholic eucharist see it as the one true eucharist of there the church ,but in it is Gregory Palamas as a saint from the proskomide .
I really hate when people use “denomination hopping” as an argument. There’s nothing wrong with people looking for truth and find out they’re wrong multiple times.
BREAKING NEWS: Humans unknowingly make multiple mistakes multiple times to find the correct way!
I went from Presbyterian to atheist to agnostic to nondenominational to Roman Catholic and then finally arrived home at Eastern Orthodoxy.
@@stephenlee1664six religions? How long did that take you lol
Literally the basis of the scientific method. God gives us all different challenges and paths
It actually IS wrong, because you can find the truth and be right the FIRST time. You dont need to keep on making the same mistakes over and over again in order to get something right! I know that I don't need to sorcery(pharmakeia) in order to know its going to temporarily and long term destroy me and send me to hell.
In the early 2000s, I spent a lot of time over 5 years or so engaged in arguing apologetics w/ CS Lewis Society. The best apologists in our group were a RC, a Reformed protestant, a secular philosopher and a skeptic. I was vaguely protestant myself at the time and got my lumps and also several lumps "in" as it were, too. The main takeaway from all of the time and research I spent was that the intellect is barely a problem. It's the heart that is the problem. One particular protestant (a Baptist preacher) was mean-spirited towards our RC host/moderator, but the moderator would not engage in specific doctrinal disputes, resigning himself to a "mere Christianity" vs secular/atheist argumentation instead. The Baptist made some snide remarks about the Eucharist which were even offensive to me. So I took up his challenge to "prove" the Eucharist as RC's understand it. He conceded in the end saying that he still couldn't accept the facts I had delivered, but he was thankful that I was on the Christian side of the argument. This left me with a dilemma of my own. As a protestant who had now sufficiently *proven the "Real Presence", how could I remain protestant myself? I couldn't.
I like to tell people now that I spent many years doing Christian apologetics and the only person who ever converted was me. Ultimately, I ran into the same issues with the RCC as you have elucidate time and again, and it left me despondent, tbh. I didn't actually grasp and had not looked closely enough at the differences between EO and RCC to see the actual distinctions. Long story short, my wife and I were made Catechumens at our Antiochian parish just before Lent this past winter and are now firmly on the path to reception into full communion next Pascha.
I'm not a big believer in the efficacy of apologetics, for the reason(s) stated above. It has value to the individual who chooses to actually engage the arguments with a clear eye on their own motives, but aside from that, I find little to recommend in apologetics--viewing it as one tool in the box rather than the go-to hammer that fixes most things. That said, exposure to argumentation can be the catalyst for that individual to question their own assumptions, ignorance(s) and motivation, and it does hold value in that regard. In the end, it still comes down to the heart far more than the head and has much more to do with intellectual pride than it does with heartfelt humility and/or concern for the Truth, imo.
I see a striking difference in values, dignity and integrity between You and these people. Keep going Kyle
pray for them 🙏🙏
Kyle has been diagnosed with terminally online internet christian syndrome 😂😂😂 I wonder how many psychiatrists recognise the existence of such syndrome
nah that’s crazy. supposed followers of Christ don’t slander other followers of Christ. praise God
Yo Kyle. U do a good job. I was raised in a German/russian protestant church then lost all faith for almost 10 yrs after turning 15 or 16. I am now 23 yrs old trying to convert to orthodoxy. U helped a ton with understanding the orthodox church and faith, so yea u really do get the message out there, I mean u reached me, a random guy from Germany. God bless you and everybody watching this
What about the Eucharistic miracles, Apparitions, and other miracles like Guadalupe? Would God work doctrinal related miracles in false Churches?
Can you prove those miracles and Apparitions?
Pagans also have "miracles"...
As someone who came back to Catholicism after an atheistic haze in college your videos are captivating. I must admit I think it’s hard to check out or be open to Orthodoxy just because many of the churches are ethnically based.
Orthodoxy should be based? I don’t understand what you mean because a non based Orthodox Church isn’t a orthodox church
@@Eliyahu_777 I mean the churches are Greek, Serbian, Romanian, etc. It seems like most orthodox churches are designated for people that come from those cultures.
@@joshlovsbball no not really, I go to a Greek Orthodox Church and there are white people
@@Eliyahu_777 probably because Greek people ARE white 😂
@@Eliyahu_777 And that's not the point he's making, he's saying Orthodoxy as a whole is more ethnically-based, compared to Catholicism which lives up to the name (catholic meaning universal) where I go to mass and see Irish, Italians, Indians, Spanish, Mexicans, Native Americans, Asians, etc.
This doesn't disprove Orthodoxy, but you have to admit Catholicism even if you consider it false, is way more universal.
Kyle and I have the exact same music taste, I recognize literally all of the background music he uses
Hey I was raised as catholic but I watched your videos and also other TH-camrs to back up the certain claims and I also did some more research on Google as well and I am interested in being orthodox but there isn’t any Eastern Orthodox churches in my country there are mostly Ethiopian churches but I just don’t know what to do cause all I want to do honestly is just praise God and have closer relationship with Jesus that’s my goal but idk what to do
what country? use these:
orthodoxyinamerica.org/
kurskrootlodge.net/ParishLocator
email the closest priest
watch these: th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8f7aOVmFtDRBBdTxpfO7k4w.html&si=-a9yaQxkXMSVnPRS
join discord and talk to priest also: discord.gg/orthodoxchristian
@@OrthodoxKyle I am from the Caribbean and no cap is mostly dominated by Catholicism and Protestantism
@@OrthodoxKyle but I’ll check out your discord tho
Good stuff as always, Kyle! Roman Catholic here, do you know if the orthodox at this point have an official stance on the death penalty or any writings/content on it that you’d reccommend? Thanks for all you do.
Yes, Orthodox Church is against the death penalty. You can research that topic at the websites... for example... Patriarchate of Moscow search for document "Basis of the Social Concept"... Patriarchate of Constantinople search for document "Social Ethos".
I saw you put my comment in your video lol. Ps I’ve actually seen all your videos :p. I’ll make a video response at some point to the points you put at the end of the Cyberdoxy section.
ok... lol.. do you accept Vatican II??
@@OrthodoxKyle okay before I go on don’t take me for like a rad trad or some mhfm tard but I’m a sedevacantist so no. For me I just think the Catholic theology and dogma just makes more sense than the Orthodox. This isn’t me being ignorant I really gave Orthodoxy a chance and I read some of the Triads by Gregory Palamas. I just wasn’t convinced personally. The Catholic faith just makes more sense to me, it would make this comment too long if I went into all of it.
Btw I kind of regret being uncharitable in my Reddit comment that wasn’t cool. You make really good videos for the most part. Sorry about that.
@@OrthodoxKyle Also sorry for feeding into that Reddit comment considering I had a similar path in my faith. Atheism to Christianity then from there deciding between denominations. There is nothing wrong with figuring out your spiritual life and I’ve always found that critique shallow.
@@fearlesscrusader007 thank you. God bless! watch these: th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8dRxtTvcdACuo3AOkvB9eb3.html&si=EW-fYMNqiWZQx397
reach out to talk / questions
Keep up the good work with your TH-cam videos. You are unique, and your videos are great
Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name.
Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread;
and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us;
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
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Funny that they’re accusing Kyle of being a chronically online Orthobro when they’re on Reddit….
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Was about to say this lol
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that's what I said!
Was raised Orthodox but became an athiest in my teenage years, now I've finally returned to orthodoxy. Glory to God
me too. Raised Orthodox, at 20 something had a fall where I lost my faith, and had to go through nihilistic depression for almost a decade before I found my faith again.
Glory to God for you both 🙏☦🙏
Same here!
I was raised Orthodox, got a bit deceived by Protestant teachings in my teens when I was still ignorant even to the point of me feeling weird venerating icons, but thankfully never left the church and grew stronger than ever in my Orthodox faith once I started learning.
Same
You should make an "if you're catholic" playlist
He should do that for an Heterodox POV. It would be very helpful for everyone.
@@OrthodoxGTyes I do believe that is more helpful
He did
Now he has
what's wrong with being catholic
I am a catechumen in the Orthodox Church and you have played a small role in my conversion from Protestantism. Although your role wasn’t big, I’m not sure if I would be here without you
Glory to God ☦☦
You can get well again there is always hope, Theism is not a permanent impediment.
Glory go God☝️☦️
@@MaximusAugustusOrthodox
May Zeus favor you endeavors..
@stultusvenator3233 I sure hope it's permanent.
"I would rather be an atheist than orthodox"
many such cases. Lord have mercy
pray for him!
have never agreed with that statement more
@@John_Gillman Lord, have mercy. ☦️
@@klausdalang4936 There is no lord
@@John_Gillman Christ is Lord whether you accept Him or not.
As a Catholic, just found your channel. Im interested in researching orthodoxy and im happy i found this channel to help
Very happy for you,for me the same and now Im about to convert,God bless you on your way
Welcome to both of you!
Our family was baptized Good and Holy Saturday 2022 ☦
We were RCC
Come visit a Church: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
Check out my videos on Trent Horn, Steve Ray, Michael Lofton, Brian Holdswroth!
reach out if you have questions! God bless!
I'm a former trad Catholic, now Orthodox. Best decision I've ever made! Praying for you!
God bless you ☦️
“If this world hates you, remember, it hated me first.”
I actually made the meme at 6:59 referring to the smudging ritual, when the Pope came to Alberta (my home province) to do that. I’d already went down the trad Roman Catholicism pipeline. By that time, I considered going Byzantine Rite. Luckily I just skipped the silly Byzcath LARPing and went to a ROCOR 15 minutes away (in a city of about 100 000 people, so I was lucky there was one nearby). I wish I converted to Orthodoxy for a better reason than one of the many papal scandals, but what can I say, you just fall in love with the beautiful theology, that’s what kept me.
Can’t believe the Pope would partake in a pagan spiritual ritual… Oh wait, yes I can.
Is Fr. Michael from Living Orthodox your Priest now?
He is at a ROCOR Parish in Alberta.
@@acekoala457 he actually visited the ROCOR I attended and was baptized in! (Assumption of the Holy Virgin, Lethbridge), I was keeping up with that news with parishioners on their instagram page. I moved to Newfoundland to take care of some relatives about a month before his first visit, I currently attend an OCA Mission, Holy Lady of Vladimir, St. John’s now.
Edit: I just double checked the instagram and realized he moved there to be the priest! I hope my fellow parishioners enjoy his company!
"Have you had too many pints with Aquinas?" had me rolling!
I’m 17 and was already going to turn to Orthodoxy after God revealing it as the truth to me and your videos just reinforce my choice. Thank you!
Glory to God!
God revealed to me as truth that what you are saying is a complete lie.
Redditors in action. My husband is a cradle Catholic, joining me in catechumens to EO now. (I was raised Baptist/New Age). Hes definitely doing more bouncing than an atheist who finds truth over time.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." Its not wrong to critique and debate, but this was just a personal attack. Let us all pray for these Catholic brothers and sisters that they can be more Christ like. 🙌
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"For now the video is called 'Internet Orthodox vs. r/catholicism'
but i'm thinking more... 'orthodoxy vs coping' "
haha
When they can’t beat your argument they attack your character ☦️☦️☦️ keep on doing your thing, your videos are top tier
No more abused children shut down the Catholic Church save the children.
"muh antisemitism"
oh how catholicism has fallen
Lol Catholics hate Judaism more than anyone else.
Just wait till he finds out the Good Friday mass used to have a prayer for "the decietful and untrustworthy Jew"
That’s one thing I don’t get about the European church over time is the development of anti-Semitism among some some Christians it wasn’t a thing in the early centuries, and only criticisms of Judaism specifically the religious Jews that rejected Jesus as Messiah.
@@justchilling704 Its because in early Christianity, usery of any kind was forbidden. However, Jews were free to perform usery, so usually they were banks and loaners. Theres not much point for a Christian who couldnt gain interest to be a banker or loaner. So usually what happened is a Christian or Christian emperor/king/pope would borrow money from the Jewish banks and then not be able to pay them back. So they would get out of it by calling them Christ killers and either banning them from the city/country or by outright killing them. That is how the myth of the all powerful and money hungry Jew came about
@@DANtheMANofSIPAbut how much of a “myth” is it really when bankers held power over emperors and kings?
Kyle, just like you say in this video: your short and precise videos on Orthodoxy actually sparked my interest and curiosity enough to even go and check out all of the longform guys. I'm sure many would say the same.
You're filling your niche just fine; these guys are just angry because of their inability to defend their "West is the Best!" mindset from your arguments.
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The best shitposting is when one backs it up with the truth, and that's why Kyle has always top-tier content.
Classic Ethnic Argument:
Catholics: "Orthodoxy is too ethnic"
Also Catholics: "Why aren't you Catholic?! You're a Mexican!!" 🤬
ICXC☦NIKA
Be specific MOST ROMAN CATHOLICS. Let us pray for them
We don't have a Mexican Catholic Church vs the Russian Orthdox Church I think is the point we are making lol.
Your editing is funny. You are a cool youtuber. 😃
thanks!
@Kyle,
Here is an orthodox christian in a "traditionally orthodox" country - Bulgaria. I am thanking God seeing pure orthodox faith in a country so far away.
Brother, I am writing you with an urgent request to raise a voice in defense of orthodoxy against avarice (simony) that holds in captivity (almost) the whole of the orthodox church in the east (in Bulgaria for sure).
I am speaking about the practice of requiring money (taxes) for performing the sacraments on the faithful - there are taxes to get baptized, to marry and to be included in the prayers by the priesthood. There are no taxes for the Holy Mysteries probably only because it was directly condemned by the 6th Ecumenical Council.
I tell you, brother, there is not a single voice in my country condemning this abomination - so successful is this scheme of the dragon.
Please make a video about this proclaiming the eternal orthodox belief condemning avarice (simony) in the most severe terms.
sorry to hear that! send me more info, Iw will pray. God bless!
Ask for the Intercessions of St. Raphael of Brooklyn. He fought against Simoniacs in his Homeland in Syria while in Exile.
Taxes for any of the Sacraments is condemned at the 6th Ecumenical Council, including Marriage, Baptism, Ordination.
Look I'm from Greece. We have a similar tradition here for sacraments like baptism and wedding. If you want to make a baptism or a wedding for free because you can't afford one, you can. BUT, if you're having a glamorous and expensive ceremony it's really cheapy on you not to give something to the church. Don't forget that people like the chanter and the guy's keeping up/cleaning the church and helping the priest during the sacrament need to get paid nowadays because they take time from their day to be there for you. You see guys having a $5000-$10000 wedding feast for 300+ guests and cheap out and complain for the $50-$200 the church asks for the people I mentioned and the electricity...For all the other simple prayers giving money is optional here ($1-$5 totally on you). The worst thing that can happen if you don't give anything is a weird look but it's really rare tbh.
Kyle your channel is goated. It’s easily digestible for zoomers but also very informative. Keep going God’s work. ☦️
Great for boomers too lol
No more abused children shut down the Catholic Church save the children.
Great video Kyle. I’m Protestant but I have to say, your videos have made me grow curious about orthodoxy. I have to admit that there are a few things I don’t understand about it though.
Get the book Rock and Sand by Fr Joisah Trenham! Come visit a Church: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
reach out if you have questions (:
@@OrthodoxKyle I’ll definitely look those books up, although I’m not American, and I don’t live there so I’ll have too see if there are any orthodox churches near where I usually am.
Another book recommendation is "The Truth of Our Faith" by Elder Cleopa of Romania
@@Fallen_2003what country do you live in?
@@OrthoLou I’m a student, so I jump between the UK (where I study), Belgium (where I’m from) to visit my grandparents, and the UAE (where my parents live)
This just means that your content is effective. We need a kyle in the community, keep up the great work
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Kyle, I had heard about Orthodoxy years ago from Tristan Haggard (known as Primal Edge Health at the time) and never really delved into it when I was finding my faith and my way back to Christ. I eventually fell into Protestantism because I knew nothing about apologetics for Christian denominations, just that Christ was God and Christianity was true. I stumbled upon your page several months ago and through binge-watching you, as well as Jay Dyer and many other Orthodox Christian channels and joining the Orthodox discord, I decided to become Orthodox. I attended my first divine liturgy just over a month ago and have now been in contact with the Father of that church, I'm currently an inquirer but hope to become a catechumen and eventually a full part of this church. Thank you.
Glory to God ☦
@@OrthodoxKyle I'm gonna start saying that when ppl compliment/thank me now
@@basementlm4200Glory Glory hallelujah! Glory Glory hallelujah!
Hey, Kyle! I'm a Presbyterian Christian, and I've been watching your stuff for a while. You've given me a lot of insight towards Orthodox Christianity, and I'm considering converting to it (given more time and research). I want to thank you for giving me this vast pool of knowledge towards Orthodox Christianity :]
Awesome! you should get the book Rock and Sand by Fr Josiah Trenham, he was Presbyterian, not Orthodox Priest
th-cam.com/video/FZ-s3CnwngQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=b12yC3Yf8M4coXnh
Visit a Church: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
reach out if you have questions
@@OrthodoxKyle *he was Presbyterian, "now" Orthodox priest
Important for context 🤓
"word salad" is what someone says when they can't rebut any philosophical, metaphysical, or logical arguments
I’m catholic and I love your channel. I just skip the anti catholic videos. Your editing style is awesome and hilarious. I love when you put in the scary chilling music and the “wrong” And the grunt sound and all that lol
thanks haha!
check out why I left: th-cam.com/video/41iyvql3Dhs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=o6IBAbsuvxt9M5Oh
Come visit: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
@@OrthodoxKyle orthodox is not the true chruch. its wired to say catholism is not the true church and it broke away but orthodox didn't.
@@Jonathan-tw4xmCorrect.
@@bornbranded29Incorrect.
Kyle you you were one of the people who helped me convert to Orthodoxy, including Jay Dyer.🎊
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JAY JAY JAY DYER DYER JAY DYER!
Keep up the amazing work Kyle & Lord Have Mercy on your trolls.
A former Catholic raised and born into it, it’s changed simply from my childhood I can only imagine how much they’ve changed from my grandparents in the 60’s, MOST CATHOLICS don’t know anything more then your low level Protestant I.e. biblical stories/gospels and that’s about it
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Yeah the catholic guy in the video kind of a baby
pray for him!
tbh yeah he just seems misguided@@OrthodoxKyle
Thank you for making these videos, truly their only attampt at an argument against Orthodoxy is to strike at your character, it is very disappointing. Pray for them ☦️
“Have you had too many pints with Aquinas?” 😭💀
As a Catholic i have to apologize for this behaviour towards you from our people...
W kyle
I personally don't have anything against Orthodoxy, but Kyle makes me wanna to speak up for the Catholic church. This just came off like a childish rant. I would have to ask that there be better communication between Catholics and Orthodox Christians.
ad hominem, not an argument.
Same, as a Catholic who really respects Orthodoxy but intellectually and spiritually knows Catholicism has the fullness of the truth, it's next to impossible listening to Kyle and other "Orthodox apologist" who scream and shout bs.
Why do people always throw in there terms like , retort, rebuttal, refutation, ad hominem and other intro to logic vacab? It's like they pretend to be lawyers.
We're not all going to go back and forth with. I don't think I came off silly. My comment was pretty simple to begin with. So I don't expect hot headed people to get riled up so easily.
Some TH-camrs post nothing but hate or slanderous videos about the Catholic church, but I for one think the faith of the Christian Orthodox Church is a beautiful faith. God would surely welcome you into his kingdom. As well as many Catholics.
We're not gonna agree on everything I suppose but we're not opposed to each other. We both want to protect the church and fulfill God's commands. We want to be better Christians and perfect our faith as best we can. Let's use our time wisely.
Same here
A lot of people “bounce” around trying to find the truth. Funnily enough, most will stop bouncing around once they find Orthodoxy. Unless they are stuck in modernism. Even still, many will go back. I pray the Catholics put their full trust in Jesus Christ and not the Pope. ☦️🙏🏻
Protestants say the same thing about your bishops lol. You guys are so hypocritical
@@Iustusxi 1 Timothy 3:1 “If a man desires the office of a bishop, he desires good work.” Bishops have been around since the beginning. Protestants also have them in their churches. The Orthodox recognizes, however, that a bishop is also just a man and therefore fallible. The Pope, according to the Catholics is not. Having bishops within the church is not hypocritical. it might do you some good to do further research on orthodoxy. Matthew 12:36 I tell you that every careless word that people speak, they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgement.
@@jlynn5680 lol where are you pulling this from. We don’t think the pope is God, or anything else. Hes just the bishop of Rome. The pope has always been an office in the Church.
@@Iustusxi Have you read Vatican II's Dogmatic Constitution on the Church Written by Pope Paul VI? I think you would find No. 25 interesting.
Sorry that happened man. I had the same thing happen, though in a different setting.
My father, my old pastor, and some friends, said the same thing.
That I "bounced around" from my cradle church (Lutheran) to agnostic, and back Lutheran. This wasn't a problem until I converted to Orthodoxy!
Now, I'm just an idiot who doesn't really know Jesus because I bounced around. Real fun.
sad to see people slandering you, I hope you don't pay too much attention to them, keep up the good work kyle!👍
pray for them 🙏
No more abused children shut down the Catholic Church save the children.
I would love it if I was helped making a "discernment ministry pipeline to Orthodoxy" since I've had an interesting ride from non-denominationalism to Orthodoxy which took me through the Missouri synod Lutherans.
Same man
Kyle accused of anti papacy and anti semitism -> we love him more
The Catholic friend of yours slandering you reminds me of the deceitful, weaselly Catholic who went on one of Jay Dyer’s streams and initially claimed he wasn’t a Catholic (although he later had to confess that he was).
Eugenia Constantinou is a biblical scholar who taught at a Catholic seminary. This has led to understanding Catholics in a very unique way. She has put our a four-part series "Thinking Orthodox" where she discusses many differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. Highly recommended.
big words = wordsalad
Kyle, you are dedicating too much time to this. They refuse even to look into Orthodoxy and if they did they would follow your example. People are convinced in their thing and refuse to budge because they feel insecure. Let them be. If they wanted they could research for themselves.
I got a genuine lol over "did you have too many pints with Aquinas?"😂
Could always do a compare of "saint" Mother Teresa, her friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell's father, a Mossad agent, as well as Hilary Clinton (and the orphanage they opened in D.C. that had children go missing from [and a Clinton office worker 'died' just before coming forward on the subject]).😱 at that point you MAY still want to talk about the Indian hospice center she ran where the nurses just washed used needles w water because "the patients were going to die anyways."😇😪
Vs... I dunno, someone like Elder Ephraim of Arizona, not even canonized yet.. but even my own parish priest saw him surrounded in a giant, brilliant light, brighter than the sun in broad daylight. Also said shortly before he died "soon the world will turn around and wear a mask." He reposed Dec 2019... a little over a month later mask mandates began in the U.S. Nevermind many of my personal friends who received blessings from him and said they could immediately sense tremendous grace, peace and holiness just being around him.
"They couldn't answer my questions." Well that sounds familiar. Not knowing is fine, and so is asking questions. But when one's only response, while being confronted with new information, is to personally attack the person giving it, they are never in the right.
I’m sorry that happened to you, Kyle. Praying for you and those who slandered you, God bless. ☦️
“whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God”
God Bless, Kyle! ☦️
I am so joyful about your enthusiasm for the Holy Orthodox Traditions, and your no-bullshit way of saying things like they are :D . Thank you for showing such faithfulness to Truth! God bless you and the continuation of your channel
thanks! God bless!
In Roman catholicism, it is radical to be traditional, in Orthodoxy, it is normal to be Traditional.
couldnt of said it better myself.
The person who left the initial comment is just confused seeing somebody make actual life changes based off new information in pursuit of the the truth. Using the term “bounce around” in reference to a secular atheist person finding faith in Jesus Christ at any point is crazy. Shame on them
Usual shady Catholic behaviour, very "Mean Girls"-esque.
Great video Kyle. Catholics will complain about how we are "mean" or "larpers" but they never adress our arguments.
That's why humility and love is so important! Don't give them a chance to strawman and treat them with patience!
There wasn’t an argument made in the post. The post was about Kyle himself so that’s why I made my comment about him. If it were Kyle who made the post and made arguments I would’ve replied to whatever arguments were made but that’s not what the post was about.
That former Catholic friend of yours that said he would rather be an atheist than Orthodox showed his true colors. St Gregory Palamas in his debates with Barlaam said that the essence of Latin Catholicism eventually leads to atheism.
Very true. Seeing this with our oldest son.
Although I'll only be able to formally convert and attend a Church if I move to another city/country because of the scarce presence of The Church in my country, I think discovering Orthodoxy, through your channel by the way, was one of the happiest and most fulfilling moments in my life. Thank you, Kyle
Thank you so much, check this out: kurskrootlodge.net/ParishLocator
God bless
You should make a series of short videos. Simplified orthodox facts. Talk about revelation 22:1
Thus channel is almost completely anti-reddit now and I love it. Glory to God for all things and for keeping everyone watching this video alive and loved. ❤️☦️
The thing that kept me away from Christianity when I was kid was, I didn't know the differences between denominations and assumed all Christians were like Catholics. Soon as I discovered Orthodoxy, I left Islam and converted to Christianity.
And I still hate Catholics 😂
Don't hate Catholics.. pray for them! Glad you found Orthodoxy. God bless!
Kyle, Christ is risen! Be blessed and strong in the faith of our Holy Fathers of the early and seven ecumenical synods of the undivided Church which we have in common with the Roman Catholics before the great schism. Only we can reach unity with our Christian brothers of the west when they accept the tradition of the One, Holy, Catholic = Universal, Apostolic Church which the orthodoxy has kept without additions or subtractions. We have to face and struggle against the great heresy of ecumenism which is destroying the unity of our Church and to protect our flocks from the spreading of woke theories among the clergy and laity. Remember that our Lord Jesus Christ said in Matthew 5:18 : “For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished”. In Christ, Fr. Amphilochios Pikias from Rhodes, Greece.
So much respect to you Kyle, you're an inspiring guy, it's tough losing friends for the truth, but God bless those who do.☦️☦️☦️
"He who loses his life for my sake shall find it"
I'm from the Philippines in bulacan I NEED AN ORTHODOX CHURCH CLOSE TI MY HOUSE LITERALLY WHY CANT I IM 14 AND I WANT TO DO IS WORSHIP GOD IN HIS TRUE CHURCH BUT I CANT BECAUSE IM POOR AND HAS NO CLOSE ORTHODOX CHURCH
God understand! don't worry! do the Orthodox prayers at home and ask God for guidance. God bless!
@@OrthodoxKyle thank you thank you i really appreciate you responding to this i didn't know what to do before but now because of you I wanted to be an Orthodox Christian you're advice is really nice I really appreciate it I just watched one of you're video on how to live as an Orthodox Christian half of those I can't do because I have no church really appreciate thank you thank you so much.
@@OrthodoxKyle Listen to me. I don't know What your meaning of this Orthodox and Catholic are a true Christianity in Our history
You're a good man Kyle. Something I've learned is that as we grow, we leave behind those who were unable to grow themselves. It's extremely hard, especially when you really care about them, but you have to learn how to live how YOU are supposed to live, not let others force their ways down your throat.
I remember feeling like I needed to help them, to lead them away from what I saw was a dark path, but I've realized that the only reason I was able to leave that path myself was my own intuition changing and my mindset shifts. Nothing anyone directly said to me made me grow, but only consistent failure and self-thought did.
Very impressive you left your friend group to pursue what is right.
Such things happen. I had to leave modernistic western spirituality for it as well, though many of them weren't really that good of friends, nor was the relationship so stable because it doesn't really have a shared value system. I'll definitely check out your works on orthodoxy. I came from a protestant place geographically myself, so I never got deep into catholocism. I heard the criticism of papal ineffability before, and heard other people I respect also find grace in orthodoxy.
So yeah will check it out. I also make videos regarding Christianity as a recent convert. Peace
Please keep apple apostle in your videos
Apple Apostle LOL haha
16:09 Something similar happened to me actually. I was debating with a Catholic who kept saying Orthodoxy was heretical, but still has valid sacraments. Apostolic Canons 45-46 refute this, early Church history refutes this. Heretics cannot have valid sacraments, and if Orthodoxy has valid sacraments, then we aren't heretics.
Back to the point, I think he realized he was losing, so basically he pinged every single Catholic and used the cheapest insult to make it look like he was winning. I'll paste his exact words here:
"@Catholic Look at this EO larper. The Filioque was apparently condemned but he’s not gonna tell me when or where 😂"
I had to deal with this for practically all his comments. We had switched from talking about Orthodoxy to the Filioque. He pinged every Catholic in the discord server just to make himself more powerful. He tried to attempt to use insults to make his claims true, but much to his demise. I pray for him, for he clearly doesn't understand early Church teachings.
The point of my comment is this. Many Catholic I've debated (at least 3-4) have said similar things. "Look at this EO fake Apologetic" "Look at this kid who thinks he understand big stuff" etc. These insults are terrible to use, it just makes the person I'm debating look like a fool. I never insulted anyone once because when I debate, I am actually serious and treat the other person with respect.
"Its not about Jesus" sounds like blasphemy. Of course it's about Jesus, we are to repent of our sins and turn to Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, Glory be to Him Amen
Bouncing is not bad in my opinion. I have searched, read, and ask people about their religion because I did really want to believe something, participate in a parish, any parish. And this "searching time" took 10 years! I'm not joking, I did my search for 10 years. Now I'm 24, found the way, Orthodoxy. But before Orthodoxy, I thought the way is Orthodox Judaism, before that Catholicism, Protestantism, Islam, New Age things... I'm glad finally I'm home, and I'm glad that God let me do my search in my way and let me learn the World. Because thanks to this, I do not have any questions about Orthodox Christianity.
God bless ☦☦
As long as the bouncing settles where one belongs, Christ's Church, then it may be beneficial for someone's soul to know the falsehoods but always to temper it with the truth.
Not mad just disappointed? Now Kyle's bouncing to Boomer Motherism. Jk. As if it's not awful enough to find a whole reddit thread about yourself, but by someone you know?? R/Catholicism is choq (haha) full of whiplash, I cant stand it there. And Gen Z gets a lot of crap but Xers and above didn't have to grow up with the internet, sorry Kyle.☹️
PS I recently saw a YT comment asking a Catholic creator to do a vid criticizing you, my son's a zoomer so I felt some sort of WAY about it, 🙏 for Kyle.
The Catholic kid slandering you is supposed to treat you as a brother, regardless of you converting to Orthodoxy. His pope commands him "Treat Orthodox as brothers; they're your separated brethrens with valid sacraments. Don't proselytise Orthodox Christians, they're our brothers!"
And with the other hand he robs Orthodox monasteries in Ukraine...
I'm really sorry you lost your friends when you converted, I'm blessed mine began inquiring shortly after I did too, and I hope in time that your friends will come home to Orthodoxy too.
It's so funny to me when they argue with the "denomination hopping". In reality they don't care if you changed your mind thousands of times, as long as you end up submitting to Rome. They tried this against someone close to me too, he went from atheist, non-denom, inquired into catholicism and then Orthodoxy, they said he wasn't allowed to change his mind so many times, but they'd forgive him if he changed his mind one more time if he settled with catholicism... He wasn't even set on anything, just looking into things too, but they viewed him as a traitor.
Don't worry or bother with any accusations of "anti-semitism", it's all the barkings of a dog who has been cornered. Their last effort to put you on the defensive.
They sure do love saying "God sent the muslims and communists to punish you Orthodox", but I wasn't aware that catholics held a belief in prosperity theology. When they themselves are persecuted, they say "look, satan is attacking us because we are the True Church!", it's all nonsense.
The "qudasha of mar nestorius" was quite a major reason me and some friends ruled out catholicism, I'm glad you brought it up. Eastern catholics, the one group they say all Orthodox should become, they know so little about it, and they assume the only thing that mattes to us is aesthetics.
Thank you for reaching the Zoomer generation. My friends with shorter attention spans (no hate, not everyone can focus on very dense theological stuff with big words for hours) or less free time seem to really like your content.
The end of the video made me cry, thank you little apple man for your wisdom, truly Orthodoxy is the most beautiful thing we have here, because it alone leads us to Christ 🥺🙏
My only major objection is the incorrect use of the word Catholic.
I understand you may not want to sound insulting by using Papist, nevertheless, the name Catholic Church can only mean the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, which is the Orthodox Church.
To this day we use Catholic as a descriptor of the Church. It is Orthodox and traditional.
However, the Orthodox Fathers did not use terms like Catholicism, or the Vatican (which came after) or even Pontifex Maximus (also came later), and so perhaps one can use Catholicism or the Vatican rather than Papist to attempt to be non-offensive.
At the very extreme maybe even Roman Catholic can be used for the Vatican, even though both these terms apply to Orthodoxy.
At Vatican I, they departed from the 1st Ecumenical Council and defined their ecclesiology by the name Holy Catholic Apostolic Roman Church, which is the name they used to include the Eastern branches as well.
It is Catholicity defined as that which is subject to the Roman Pontiff. In this sense Roman Catholic.
This is the opposite of Catholicity, since it is what has been held universally by the whole Church.
The Catholic Church refers only to Orthodoxy.
To add to your knowledge of word "catholic".. two Greek brothers St. Cyril and St. Methodius translated Church's books into the Church Slavonic language prior to going to evangelize Slavs.. term "catholic" was translated into word "soborny" which in turn means "conciliar". That translation can be used to correctly understand the meaning of the word "catholic" in those days just as Septuagint is witness of the prophecy of Isaiah about virgin conceiving that some ungodly men wanted to turn into "young woman" conceiving. To conclude, in our Creed we state: We believe in one, holy, conciliar and apostolic Church.
Kyle, your channel is an instrument that has helped many young people like me grow in learning and understanding the early church history and theology as well as the current affairs of the church. Keep doing what you're doing brother. "Blessed are those who falsely accuse you and punish you because of Me" matthew 5:11.
i pray for God to keep you humble. I never seen such brilliant man with such clear thinking embracing the truth and not falling to pride.
Your knowledge puts us born Orthodox in Greece at shame. Here the "war" is fierce. They attack our educational system and we lost our Christian values .If it wasn't for Mt. Athos and the prayers of our Holy Mother Theotokos i believe we would surely perish both physically and spiritually.
But seeing you gave me hope. God can bring people to truth anywhere in the world!! what a joy! Glory to God
thank you! God bless
Babe, wake up. A new Kyle vid just dropped.
You should make a video on the dialog between Robert Spencer and brother Rashid vs Daniel haquiqatou and the muslim metaphysician, the muslims said some wild stuff.
ok haha, I will look but Idk if I will have time
@@OrthodoxKyle they basically tried to make Christianity look like Islam, so they had a bizarre argument to say that Christianity has the death penalty for apostasy, and is ok with genocide.
3:28 it is based,,, based on the bible
Classic RC move. Ignore all arguments and attack the person/ do emotional appeals.
That doesn’t have anything to do with being Catholic it’s just a person with a low level of emotional maturity.
Your own Saints believed in the Filioque.
I love how mad you are about supposed ad hominin attacks when thats about half of what you do in your videos.
1. In my videos I make lots of arguments with occasional Joke
2. That is a lot different then someone I used to know slandering me... online... and spreading lies...
Your old friends seem to be making more of an emotional decision rather than a logical one. More than likely the reason behind the childish attacks.
When people are posting on reddit about you, you know you’re on the come up ‼️📈😂
haha
Reddit: not even once
I have a wild, but plausible theory:
Maybe those Marian apparitions appeared when the Western Church had gone astray, telling them to repent.
interesting lol.. there is article on it: orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/marian_apparitions.aspx
Much love to you Kyle, keep making content it is very much appreciated, enjoyable and educating.
"I would be an atheist rather than an orthodox"... Wth?
He said he would rather be catholic than atheist what did you hear?