My Catholic friends are always trying to coax me into converting to Eastern Catholicism but I always ask "why would I downgrade?" I already have all of the sacraments, a beautiful rite and Liturgy, so on and so forth. Why would I bow to Rome? Silly.
@@pero33403hmmm.. it's almost like that one small Middle Eastern country, that takes a biblical name just so it can make similar claims.. Even though the name means something different, especially within the new covenant.
And on top of that, Pope Frank said it's a grave sin to convert the Orthodox, and the Vatican acknowledges we have valid sacraments already, so what's missing lol
This is a gross mischaracterization of Eastern Catholicism. Quite a few misrepresentations. I wish you would have done a bettet job at researching what we believe so you could have at least tried to appear objective. This is just polemics.
It's becoming really tiresome. I wonder why we Eastern Catholics seem to be in the Orthodox crosshairs as of late? Any Eastern Catholic TH-cam video has a plethora of teenage converts like this guy coming in and espousing all their tired talking points. I wonder what their bishops think of their behavior? Also what is it with converts evangelizing like mad in Orthodoxy circles? They don't have any theological training.
@@kevinninja787 I think the cradle orthodox types will start reentering communion with us, if Pope Francis and EP Bartholomew can pull it off in a meaningful way for both sides. All that will be left will be convertodox following reactionaries like Fr Heers (who allegedly still doesn't even have a bishop).
@@kais.1684 great apologetics. Go on, tell us more about those forgeries. Perhaps you should recall the pope who was nearly excommunicated by the councils. Anything to cope with the mess of your false church and its blasphemous filioque.
Kyle when he picks out a single individual and tries to frame him as the pope of the eastern catholics: (Kyle has no clue and converted because of funny orthodox memes)
1. You can research Eastern Catholicism, visit and watch the many interviews with Eastern Catholic clergy, they confirm these.. th-cam.com/video/vR5JWsc1-qY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YepAjqVbu8Mp7sJ4 2. I did not convert because of memes.. I literally have an entire presentation of why I left.. watch it: th-cam.com/video/41iyvql3Dhs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XtQtgipJP7kQ66-V & a whole playlist : th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8dRxtTvcdACuo3AOkvB9eb3.html 3. I can even make the arguments simple here (a) Papal Supremacy is not taught in first 1000 years, we can see this in the canons of the councils and Popes being condemned by the Council. During the time of the schism, Rome relied on FORGERIES like donation of Constantine, Symmachian forgeries etc etc.. Rome has ADMITED this error in recent Alexandria and Chieti document.. (b) even if Catholicism was true, Modern Catholic teaching treats Orthodox like a sister church.. we have valid sacraments.. we have Christ = why do we need the Pope?... AND Rome has canonized POST-schism Orthodox Saints like Sergius of Radonezh (c) The average catholic experience SUCKS at the novus ordo and many parishes follow spirit of vatican II... Modern Saints like JP2 kiss the quran and embrace false religions VERSUS average orthodox divine liturgy is VERY reverent, and has Christ in the Eucharist.. and we make great modern Saints like Seraphim Rose & St Paisios.. St John of San Francisco.. please watch my other videos! God bless!
@@OrthodoxKyle a) The pope was always the highest authority. Does this mean he is infallible? Not in the sense you want your viewers to believe it. Even the orthodox admit that the pope is "primus inter pares“. This should effectively mean that the orthodox SHOULD regard the pope as their highest authority. b) Yes, because we strive to have actual union with the orthodox church. There are also wonders which happen there. Patriarch Cyrill from Russia (whom you show at least 1000 times per video) was also very ecumenical prior to the war like many other orthodox bishops. Furthermore, why not follow Protestantism? You do know that we are often considered to worship idols. The protestants have just a theology with missing elements! So we can‘t really believe things that put us into hell (according to the logic of many protestants). c) You must understand that there are real lifes of middle eastern Christians involved. John Paul II. kissing the Quran saved countless lifes (btw we don‘t even know if it was a Quran. John Paul could also have simply made a mistake. The pope is the pope and not Christ.) Moreover, you should check out Padre Pio and Fatima because these miracles are irrefutable and proof for Catholicism. Don‘t argue like the pharisee king Dyer who says that wonders for Christ have been performed by Satan. Lastly, the Novus Ordo isn‘t the problem. I‘m Polish and every mass is great. However, every mass isn‘t so great when I‘m in Germany because of heretical priests (but there are also liberal orthodox priests in Germany). P.S. Into what kind of heretical catholicism were you into? Wearing a brown piece of cloth for not going into Purgatory? This is pure heresy. Message me if you want to be taught further.
Wait so there are even Eastern Orthodox Saints that are canonized as Saints in the mainstream Roman Rite of Catholicism itself? Seriously? How on earth does that make any sense?
@@siervodedios5952 Yeah there are Eastern Orthodox saints canonized in the mainstream roman rite of catholicism, Many catholics want to deny such reality or they say they mystically became Catholics.
@@778FraxK That is a good point. If EO Christians that are Saints can be considered canonized Saints in the RCC, and the fact that the EO are part of the Eastern lung of Church, why be in communion with Rome in Catholicism?
this is precisely why I didnt convert to orthodoxy (there are quite a few other reasons why, but this is what angers me to see in orthodox apologetics): the way that you approach the debate between catholicism and orthodoxy. It is recurrent when debating a protestant to notice that they see our Church and our Faith as a Caricature, and the debate is reduced to a mere exchange of biblical quotes. Something similar seem to happen in this type of debate, where we simply exchange quotes from Church Fathers, which is pointless and ridiculous to see. Any serious intelectual figure wouldnt treat this debate saying things like "catholicism is so dumb, you can have any theology and bow to the pope and still be catholic, therefore, catholicism is false" and popping multiple flash cards with enormous texts that supposedly contradict the faith that for 2000 years of theology and examination was confessed... There are a few other things, like Catholic theology seem more consistent to me than Orthodox in some points (like saying that God is simple and not multiple), or the way that the Catholic Church see sacraments or religions outside of the Catholic Church seem to me also more prudent than the way Orthodox seem to see it, also, I know for sure that people like Therese of Lisieux (looking the way she prays with the spirit that the Saints always prayed and she has quotes which are so similar to Saint John Chrysostom even though she probably never read it), Saint Dominique, Saint bonaventure, Saint Francis of Assisi are Saints (there is an orthodox post about how supposedly "proves" that Saint Francis of Assisi is PROUDFUL and therefore not a saint which is SIMPLY ABSURD), so denying that these people are Saints is simply unacceptable to me. Sorry for the vent, God bless.
@@inrmds Probably. But a lot of discussions on concession of salvation towards infidels were made since quite a long time I think, the whole discussion on invincible ignorance
Could you please explain what became incarnate on your 2000 year, flawless theology? Also, please explain how it is permissible for St Greogy Palamas, who died out of communion with rome, be a saint in your church if Vatican 1, trent and ferrara florence all state that there is no salvation outside the church? Your "saints" are mostly delusional btw, please read about Margaret Alaqouce, Bernard of Clairveox, St Theresa of Avila and St Catherine of Sienna.
My parents won’t allow me to go to an Orthodox Church until I’m 18 (I’m 16) because they’re devout Protestant. Am I still allowed to practice Orthodox practices like the prayer rope, fasting, sign of the cross, etc.?
Prayer and sign of the cross yes, fasting do with moderation (if at all) because it’s best to have a spiritual father to guide you on that front. Blessings
Yes for sign of the cross, prayer rope.. FASTING ONLY DO With guidance of Priest email closest priest: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ join discord and reach out if you have questions: discord.gg/orthodoxchristian
You’ve genuinely helped me realise how much I was missing out on as a Protestant. Your points on Martin Luther “removing too many hats,” removing entire books from the Bible, his quote “sin boldly,” the inconsistencies in both Catholicism and Protestantism, the “Pascal’s Ortho Wager” and your point about the fact that Protestants during the reformation should have become Orthodox instead of going back too far by trying to start from zero. The memes help a lot to also order some of the more complicated ideas in to images that would be easier to understand. I’ve heard of an Orthodox Church close from where I currently live, and I’m thinking of going there. My question is this: when is it appropriate for me to visit the church, and explain myself (what day of the week)?
I'm in a similar position, started attending Orthodox services about a month ago. I would recommend attending Vespers first if you have never attended an Orthodox service before. Its on Saturday afternoons. Show up early and you might have a chance to introduce yourself and talk to the priest.
Kyle thanks for your video on university and education I’m 18 and had given up on school but after seeing your video I’ve begun to study a lot. Pretty much from the moment I get home, I’m enjoying a great deal and spent my savings on an education. Thank you
0:10 The Eastern Catholics didn't appear suddenly out of nowhere and converted to Catholicism from Orthodoxy because of the pope's beautiful eyes or something. They were forced to convert. Orthodox Christian Transylvanian Romanians were persecuted by the Austrian Roman Catholics in the 18th century. Maria Theresa (1717 - 1780), the Hasburg ruler ordered Adolf Nikolaus von Buccow, an Austrian general and governor of Transylvania to destroy all Romanian Orthodox churches and monasteries. Only Sâmbăta de Sus Monastery survived but it still has damage from the Hasburg cannons that were fired at it. Also Romanian priests, monks and faithful Romanian Orthodox Christians were unalived. That's how the Romanian Eastern Catholic Church got converts, the Romanians got threatened with violence and even death if they didn't convert to Catholicism, so the Eastern Catholic Church became a compromise between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. The same thing happened with the Ruthenians (today Ukranians) and to the Serbs during WW2 under the Roman Catholic Croats.
Preach brother!!! Same happened to Poles and Serbs. Now there are many present day Catholic Croatians who were Orthodox Serbs a few generations ago. I know this by looking at my own family and our origins. I am an ex-Catholic now Orthodox who is returning back to his roots.
@@pero33403 I already mentioned "the Serbs during WW2 under the Roman Catholic Croats" also the Ruthenians (today Ukrainians). The Poles fell first to Catholicism, hundreds of years before any other Eastern Europeans. Today a greater percentage of Poles are Catholics and Italians, which shows the degree the Poles were lied to, deceived and promised political and financial help for hundreds of years from the pope.
There is a clash coming with Islam. Christianity needs to stand against it united. Let us call all our brothers and sisters to abandon all heresies and unite under the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church!
A true church is where popes were condemned, built abrahamic faith center, worship pachamamas, kiss Quran, a pope say to child that his atheist father goes to heaven, admit that a other denomination were correct but not to convert there, excommunicating everyone first for thousand years and then yay ecumenism. Yeah seems like totally legit true chruch. The only argument from Catholics I heard is nuh uh and muh orthodox is invented and wrong but not criticizing themselves.
Oh, so different theology means different creed? Who said that? There are also Thomist Catholics and Augustinian Catholics, we dont need all one school of theology
@@VlaamsSoldat Literal "if God, why bad thing happen" type argument lmfao. The Vatican is absolutely filled with heretics. Less like a beacon, more like a shriveled piece of charcoal.
How about turning your argument around and seeing how many of the canonized Orthodox saints taught the Filioque and how the Greek Orthodox were in communion with the western Churches for at least 500 years before the Anti-Patriarch Photios made an issue about it in 869? Anyway, the Filioque is perfectly Scriptural.
Could I suggest a better mic... You do a lot of great editing and commentary, responses etc but the mic makes your voice sound harsh and there's distortion because your voice is strong and passionate. It would make your videos much better. God bless you brother for your hard work. 🙏
Your knowledge of the Eastern Catholic Churches is nil; so is your understanding of Roman Catholicism. You really do not know the difference between Sacred Tradition & cultural tradition. I could refute you point by point. Yet one can not reason with someone whose points are rooted in emotions.
Hey Kyle I am the Guy that added Nestorius is a Saint in Syro Malabar Church in Wikipedia and I also added a footnote to it saying "Even Though Syro Malabarian Catholic do not usually venerate Nestorius as other Saints but there is a (pseudepigraphal) Anaphora is attributed to Him." I was just saying Syro Malabar Church only Have an Anaphora that is Attributed to Him They don't accept his Teachings because they say "Holy Mary Mother of God" in the Hail Mary Prayer so I don't think they are nestorian in their Teachings and Nestorian in Culture but I Could be Wrong If so Please correct me.
Literally the first videos on my channel are explaining the errors of Catholicism.. I used to be a Catholic.. watch these: th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8dRxtTvcdACuo3AOkvB9eb3.html&si=1IAYSJis15VfYJ2-
Do you think the Eastern Rites have the same Latin Theology? Why do they not recite Filioque? Why do they give communion to infants? Married Priest? Leavened Bread?? all of this is tied into theology...
Have you read Church history? They have the same Liturgy, creed, sacraments, Saints, theology... Rome does not have that?? they have false unity and teach heresy.... address what I said in the video!
@@OrthodoxKyle You guys are in an active schism between the two largest churches all bc the Ukrainians don't appreciate being under a patriach who thinks they should be okay with being invaded. You tried to have an pan-Orthodox council and it laughable how quickly it completely fell apart. A bunch of churches didn't even bother showing up and didn't it take you guys decades to organize it?? So the true church of Christ has zero ability to even come into the same room to talk? Okay...both the Catholic and Orthodox churches have shortcomings but your assertion that the Orthodox have more unity is bullshit.
@@OrthodoxKyleHey Kyle I am the Guy that added Nestorius is a Saint in Syro Malabar Church in Wikipedia and I also added a footnote to it saying "Even Though Syro Malabarian Catholic do not usually venerate Nestorius as other Saints but there is a (pseudepigraphal) Anaphora is attributed to Him." I was just saying Syro Malabar Church only Have an Anaphora that is Attributed to Him They don't accept his Teachings because they say "Holy Mary Mother of God" in the Hail Mary Prayer so I don't think they are nestorian in their Teachings and Nestorian in Culture but I Could be Wrong If so Please correct me.
@@OrthodoxKyleHey Kyle I really Like your Videos and just want to say why do Eastern Orthodox venerate Mar Isaac The Syrian isn't he part of the Assryian church of the east and died outside of Eastern orthodox Communion.
@@dieselpatchesisthebiggay1253also watch these: th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8f7aOVmFtDRBBdTxpfO7k4w.html&si=n7dX5nzPS5WwAEhM Come visit: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ reach out if you have questions
They are not Orthodox in every doctrine, and they have a false union with a heretical Church = Roman Catholic. Some Eastern Catholics are closer to Orthodox than others. It is a HUGE problem to be in communion with a heretical Church, that teaches opposite theology (like Rome does). Pray for them both!
@@778FraxK. The sacred heart is Nestorian and some WR people venerate St Francis of Assisi. The WR is very problematic with a few post schism papal practices.
@@OrthoLouIt is not a problem for Eastern Orthodox theology. Watch any debate between an Orthodox and a Roman Catholic, this question always comes up. There's a bunch by Jay Dyer, but I don't know any right off that I can direct you to for that specific issue. There's actually a really good one one that mentions the Western Rite EO and the Sacred Heart stuff directly, but I can't remember who it was with. I think it was a call in on one of Jay's open debates. Jay might have a few stand-alone videos discussing problems in the Western Rite Orthodox, and why they aren't problems for EO theology as a whole; like Eastern Rite Catholics are for the Papists.
These aren't minor issues.. the creed, theology, praxis, Saints, infant communion etc.. "Christianity unity" can only be achieved by a real unity in theology and not a false political union.. check out my playlist on Catholicism and this th-cam.com/video/hqi7qGHhASI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Fn1BnV0u76_HCyL4 God bless!
Since 1958 I agree if it's true that Cardinal Siri was elected ( smoke went up the chimney of the Sistine Chapel ), took the name Gregory, and was forced "to resign" by the French prelates. Archbishop Lefebvre taught that obedience is the handmaid (servant) of Faith - hence, a lower virtue. You have some good points.
XD What is that text from 0:10? XD What a nonsense. Where did you get that? BTW Did you know, that His Grace Bishop Theophan of Philomelion recited the Filioque? That one sentence made you frivolous. He is a orthodox bishop XD Another thing - really? Do you consider suspended FSSPX as a "fully part of Catholic Church"? And sedecavantist? X D Your image from 0:10 is so bad, so bad.
The two Churches were in talks of uniting on different occasions. The Bishops of Rome were the ones who kick started Christianity. Thanks to them we all get our bibles
The dark ages were dark because the Frankish conquerors of Rome and Western Europe wanted them dark, their warlords were turned into the bishops of Catholicism who suppressed literacy and knowledge of Christian Orthodoxy
I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that, but it doesn’t actually matter. Saint Gregory of Nyssa could be wrong about things, even major things, and still be a Saint.
@@orthomason Not sure about those outside the Church being Saints. The Church can never say that, but God may. No one outside the Church can ever be formally recognized as a Saint.
@@orthomason They haven’t been recognized by the entire Eastern Orthodox Church. ROCOR did, kinda. That’s debatable. And that’s a VERY specific situation.
@@orthomason The Faith is the same. Whether or not a particular jurisdiction glorifies someone as a Saint has no bearing on whether the Faith is the same. Have the other jurisdictions canonized these people? No. Are they then canonized Saints? No. Do the jurisdictions share the same Faith? Emphatically yes. Can people make mistakes? Absolutely.
Allegedly the Archdiocese of Seattle for the RCC is shutting down a lot of their parishes because people are driving to Portland Oregon for more Traditional services. Now is an Opportunity for the Orthodox Church to help guide those who have been abandoned by Rome.
The syro malabar church uses an anaphora that goes back to nestorius (debatable) and that anaphora is perfectly orthodox. They do not venerate nestorius or the other 2 fathers as saints as you would see us venerate say theotokos or st. Thomas or st. Peter
The Polish Greek Catholic Church surrendered to the Pope because they were afraid that they would be drawn under the influence of Tsar Ivan IV, the idea was to protect the church in Poland and resist Russian influence in the 16th century.
And of course, what do the Roman Catholics do? Decide that the only way to be "Polish" is to be Latin and force the Greek Catholics to convert at gunpoint. No PLC anymore sort of for that reason.
@@FranzValer Never heard of the Slovak Roman Catholics converting the Slovak Greek Catholics with threat of death. Wouldn't be surprised if the Ustashe tried something similar in Croatia though.
Your entire comment goes to show how little you understand what's going on. If the papacy in the RC understanding was meant, there would've never been a schism. Clearly, the Patriarchs had a completely different understanding to what the papacy is and it has NOTHING in common with the Vatican I definion, which basically replaces Christ with the Pope, which is beyond absurd and you can see the results of that.
you realize many of the councils were called without Pope and actually anathematized the Pope.. just watch these: th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8dRxtTvcdACuo3AOkvB9eb3.html&si=oqgzHJMjt1PbJjW6
Did you even read what I wrote? The answer is exactly the same. What RC thinks "primacy" means is NOT what it meant for the saints and patriarchs of old - once again, if the meaning was the same, there would be no schism. Are you paying any attention or just repeating the same nonsense argument? Being the "first among equals" =/= being "the universal ruler of al churches everywhere with supreme authority" The entire schism is based on the obvious and satanic abuse of what primacy means and what the Pope is and isn't. @@truanashabadapressure6621
I want to see communion between the Orthodox & Catholic. How that unification would look like politically I don't know. Most of the dogmatic differences between us are superficial, same views, but Rome wrote them into law, thus demystifying it (but also making it too sterile in the process imo).
Catholicism was instituted to be anti-Orthodox and to compete with it as counterfeit Christian orthodoxy. If you think the differences are simply superficial it is because your take is simply superficial. The video linked below will begin to explain what I am talking about: th-cam.com/video/4SjbC3wvuqY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=IijR8ofLqyi1meTd
Catholics are in communion with the Byzantine Orthodox Catholics because we can receive communion in each others liturgies. It’s the Body and Blood of Jesus that unites as One Body of Christ. The connection both rites share is very powerful and we are One, Holy, Catholic , and Apostolic Church. The EO is out of communion.
They don’t. The eucharist itself is a miracle. It is the body and blood of christ and catholics see the orthodox sacraments as valid, therefore catholics affirm the miracle of the eucharist in orthodoxy. You are probably referring to when the bread and blood turn into physical flesh and blood, all of those accounts seem to be warning signs for when the priest did not truly believe it was really the blood and body of Christ, and it prevented communion for the church on those particular days.
@@jahiliya_enjoyer2837those things fall under the category of matters of private Revelation according to Catholicism. It even says it in their catechism that they maybe recognized but are not necessary for belief in. SOAPBOX: I became very concerned when I was in a religious community within Catholicism that things of this nature may have something to do with demonic possession. The evil powers do possess full capability of performing what appear to be miraculous occurrences to deceive the faithful, I have been 100% guilty of this more times than I can remember when I was involved in Catholicism
Hey dude I know this is an old video, but I was wondering your opinion on this: I have read many arguments online that the reason many Eastern Catholic churches don't say filioque is because there is an issue with translation from Latin to Greek. In Greek it would make the filoque heretical to say but in Latin it isn't due to linguistics. So to make it not heretical in Greek, some words would need to be added to that phrase, which would make the Creed way too long and wordy to say
Hi Buddy Pentecost guaranteed Unity in doctrine despite language barriers. The idea of the Filioque is antithetical to the creed without the Filioque that’s why there’s division over it not just the linguistics
I once saw the Patriarch of Moscow kissing the hand of Pope Francis in one of their meetings. This is an act of acknowledgment of “holiness” to the Pope. It is not humility, it is Anathema. The guardians of the Orthodox Church have made mistakes too….
There is a difference between individual Orthodox bishops being wrong, and the papal version of supreme emperor bishop upon whom all things rest. The Patriarch of Moscow has authority in his diocese, and has honor in the entire Russian Orthodox Church, but he cannot unilaterally make a decision that binds the entire Orthodox Church. These are very, very different things.
@@bradleyperry1735 Ι know bro, but he represents the whole Russian Orthodox Church. He carries a great title. He can't make such mistakes. Our ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople and the Greek Orthodox Church made an even greater mistake. He signed the declaration of international peace: 'No One is Saved Alone. Peace and Fraternity'". It took place in the Vatican in 20th of October 2020. By doing so, he acknoledged truth in other religions. th-cam.com/video/ul1OmFub9jY/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TheOrthodoxEthos
Eastern Orthodox belong to the World Council of Churches,meet & pray with the Novus Ordo anti-popes. Sedevacantist + Resistance-SSPX chapels keep the true Faith available during our emergency. Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs embraced anti-Pope Paul VI at the heretical satanic 2nd Vatican council. Patriarch of Constantinople prayed with anti-popes JP2 + Benedict XVI.
“I once saw an orthodox Christian kissing the icon of the theotokos in one of their meetings. This is an act of acknowledgment of “holiness” to Mary. It is not veneration, it is worship. The Orthodox Church has deviated from the teaching of the apostles too.” Sorry I just repurposed your take to illustrate a point.
Would've been interesting if you addressed the pope harboring St. Maximos the Confessor while the Eastern Orthodox condemned him. Definitely an interesting topic.
I don't agree with the absolute Orthodox apologia, because in every communist country the Orthodox cruch collaborated with the state, even if we are Orthodox there are sone things we cannot argue
Would you being willing to link/let me know the sources for the Alexandrian document and the other one that was shown? And where I can check out the sources for the quotes in the first minute or so? Thanks and God bless.
@@OrthodoxKyleHalleluYah you are a godsend, my dude! Muchae gracias. And I'm happy to report that my mom and me spent four days on vacation at Nashville with my aunt and uncle (mom's sister and brother-in-law respectively) and while there on Thursday we went inside an Orthodox Church for the first time ever. God bless that one lady who let us in, a beautiful saint just for that. My mom was amazed. Even got a little portable icon of Christ.
Hey Kyle as a catholic who wants to become orthodox something is confusing me. Like I went to my local church they said I have to get re baptised which I’m totally fine with, than my friends dad is a orthodox priest he said only christmation and now idk what to do everyone is giving me different answers
I am a catechumen and I can tell you from personal experience this is a hotly debated topic within Orthodoxy. The notion of only chrismating a heterodox is relatively new and based on the teaching of the Holy Fathers is not consistent with the historic faith tradition. If you want to be baptized you may need to find someone who is actually willing to baptize you. Right now I am looking at the Serbians, Bulgarians, and ROCOR even though I attend a Greek parish.
The very issue you are bringing up disproves "The Orthodox Church" and proves that you should remain Catholic. The Catholic Church does not have contradicting dogmas like the Eastern Orthodox do.
Imagine joining communion with a Church that calls itself "Orthodox" while directly contradicting Scripture when it says there is one baptism and that divorce is not allowed.
Grew up Catholic, feeling abused with the current papacy, still feel like leaving to convert would be like abandoning family for a different one/impossible.
I am a former member of a religious community in Catholicism that identified as an orthodox monastery. Here are my two biggest issues with Eastern Catholicism (aka Byzantine Catholicism). 1. Identity politics - I have a good friend who is a Ukrainian Catholic seminarian and he is convinced that Byzantine Catholics have fully embraced identity politics and we both find that to be very disturbing. For example the Ukrainians have embraced hyper nationalist sentiments as an identity. My former religious community identified as "Orthodox in communion with Rome" and genuinely believed that they were Orthodox monastics no matter how incoherent their existence and actual adherence to Orthodoxy in monasticm was and continues to be. I like to refer to these people as trans-orthodox because them identifying as Orthodox makes as much sense as a transsexual referring to themselves as a pregnant male. 2. ECUMENISM - This is what is the true reality of uniatism and Byzantine Catholicism as a whole. When I joined the aforementioned religious community that I was a part of the hegumen sat me down and informed me that the primary mission of the religious community was to advance the cause of ecumenism. Prior to that I had been on a pilgrimage to Europe which was supposed to be a Byzantine Catholic pilgrimage, we we had several prominent clergyman within Byzantine Catholicism who gave talks advocating for ecumenism and I remember them talking about how dishonest they thought the Orthodox were because of how in their opinion the Orthodox viewed history. What I began to notice was that Catholicism follows the same world establishment that brought us the authoritarianism of covid and the LGBT nonsense. Their words are not consistent with their actions, cognitive dissonance does not matter only advancing the cause of ecumenism where anything goes so long as everyone is subjugated to certain worldly authority.
I'm a Polak (Mazovian) who practices Greek Catholicism. If you read about how Greek Catholics were treated in the PLC by the Polish Catholic hierarchs, you would probably understand why. Of course that is not an excuse, and I consider Bandera a bastard and a traitor, but on some level, you could understand why these guys would want to form a Ukranian identity based around the UGCC. Under the circumstances Greek Catholics faced, hyper nationalism was probably inevitable, much as it angers me to say.
Everything from the Catholic Church he says has an explanation. Orthodoxy has many problems as well, starting form the horrible Palmist theology. The difference between the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church is that in the Catholic Church there can be disagreement but in unity. Catholic means of the whole, Orthodoxy is not of the whole: it is decided, inconsistent and it rather have mental peace by reducing everything to "Sola Traditio" rather than embracing and discussing the complexities of the immense mystery of God. We can go on and list each and every one of the problems of the Catholic and Orthodox Church, but I believe that at the end of the day, it is a leap of faith to submit to the Catholic Church authority, and based on what I know and experienced and seeing the intense fruits of the Catholic Church, not only in Europe but in all the continents and the great saints I know I am in the right place. Yes it is true, the Catholic Church is going through horrible times. But most of the things they say of the pope are fake news. Yes, he says some very ignorant things but he is no magnificent theologian but rather a weird kinda charismatic pastor, which I don't like, but I know God has permitted him to be the leader of the Catholic Church, the biggest on on earth BY FAR. This however, does not give you the right to stab the Church's back and leave it for your mental peace.
" starting form the horrible Palmist theology. " Is this a Joke?? the whole point of the video is that The Catholic Church Venerates Palamas also?? If his theology is so heretical then why does Eastern Catholic consider him a Saint??? "doxy is not of the whole: it is decided, inconsistent and it rather" Is this a joke comment? I showed how Rome literally has various teachings in FSSP Vs SSPX Vs Eastern Catholic etc??? watch this playlist: th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8dRxtTvcdACuo3AOkvB9eb3.html&si=g7pvDzTlhbMHJ3ef God bless!
@@OrthodoxKyle Indeed, We the catholics should not venerate the heretic ideas of Palamas. That is a fake ecumenism and a bad understanding of what I will say to you bellow. And no, the Catholic Church does not have different theologies. Dogmas do not change and are UNIVERSAL as the Catholic church is. You are confusing theological views and theories with dogmas. In regard of the things you say about the Filioque (thinking you somehow outran the whole of the Catholic Tradition: what was once saint is ALWAYS holly. If saying the old creed was holly it is still holly and that cannot change. It is a matter of understanding and accepting the Easterns, not of imposing the western tradition which is more vast and has developed better in its understanding thanks to historical and cultural reasons. The eastern catholics get that and they are saying no heresies, they just haven't professed the completed understanding given by the Holly Magisterium of the Church. Just as they don't teach the Holly Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God and her assumption to heaven. And by the way, this is an honest question. If the Catholic Church is fake and heretic, how can it be that God has permitted it to grow to be BY FAR the biggest christian denomination? How is it possible that catholics have the bodies of the 12 apostles? how is it possible that we have so many apparitions? how is it possible we have so many saints? how is it possible we have so many miraculous events like the transformation of catholic eucharist into blood and flesh? Idk man, I respect the Orthobros but they do so many things many groups inside the church do in regards of having so much resentment.
Can anyone explain and reconcile the fact that Catholicism embraces heretical Church entities such as nestorian heretics and monophysites? It's interesting to hear people in Catholicism speak about unity when they have fully accepted communion with those that they have condemned as heretics for centuries. Ecumenist pan-heresy at its finest...
Great video as always Kyle! I do have a question if you wouldn't mind answering. (You answered a little in a past message) I am trying to lead my Pentecostal friend to Orthodoxy. I know there are many errors with Protestantism in general, and that speaking in tongues isn't biblical. However, I talked to him and he said he will research Orthodox history but he will remain Pentecostal. I've known him for a long time and I really do care about his salvation, but how can I explain to him that Pentecostalism is non-trinitarian, that speaking in tongues is like a mental illness and that there are many errors in their teaching? How do I say this without offending him or making him resent Orthodoxy in general? If you could link any resources, it would be greatly appreciated.
Be careful with your words, be patient th-cam.com/video/9H6Uwk3z-Mw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=uFj7K6XkpW5md_8A This playlist is Good: th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8ceRe-hveesAjWERK3Rj8eV.html&si=X3xGjGJSEo0lSGEx and just invite him to visit a Church: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ reach out if you have other questions!
Im a teenager and a catholic. Ive seen lots of problems with the Catholic Church and am looking into orthodoxy, do you have any recommendations on videos for Catholics? I want to learn about Orthodoxy for when I get older and look to convert.
You should remain Catholic, but in the current situation the true Catholic position is sedevacantism. Eastern so called "orrhodoxy" is a false religion. The early church CLEARLY believed in and taught divine simplicity, filioque, Papacy, Purgatory...
The rock was Peter. The Old Testament always foreshadows what's to come. Jesus made Peter a steward as the Lord made Eliakim a steward. This is why Peter was mentioned nearly 180 times in the New Testament. The other apostles combined are mentioned around 90. Matthew 16:18 "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock, I will build my church." You are Rock, and on this rock, I will build my church. Rock Nérpoç "Peter is simply the masculine form of the Greek word for "rock" (from where we get petroleum and petrify). This verse is a play on words. Jesus gives Simon the name Rock, and on this rock, Jesus will build his Church. Let us compare *Isaiah 22:22 / *Matthew 16:19 Isaiah 22:22a "| will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David" "b "What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.'' Matthew 16:19a "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven." "b Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Implications of stewardship. Why did Jesus refer to Isaiah 22? Isaiah 22:15 Custody over the king's assets. (See also Matthew 24:45-47) / Peter holds custody over the Church on earth. Isaiah 19-21 Holds office with successors / Popes (Bishops of Rome) Hold office with successors Like Judas' office of bishop (Acts 1:20) Isaiah 22:21 Father over the nation / Pope over the church. Pope = "Father" in Greek / Latin Isaiah 22:22 Serves the Davidic King / Peter Serves the King (Jesus) Jesus again charges Peter to watch over His flock, giving him authority over the Church on earth before ascending into Heaven. John 21:15-17 Jesus said to Simon Peter . "'Feed my lambs, Tend my sheep, Feed my sheep." Later, Peter uses this authority to silence a dispute in Jerusalem. ACTS 15:7-12 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up and said .. Then, all the multitude kept silent. There has been an unbroken chain of bishops of Rome from Peter to Linus to Cletus up until today. The bishop of those first Christians mentioned in the Bible was Ignatius of Antioch. The one who referred to the church as "Catholic" in the first century. One of many witnesses of Peter's authority as bishop of Rome. Early Church witnesses, like Bishop of Lyons Irenaeus, etc. The church is the cornerstone here on earth, the trunk, and all of the Catholic Christian churches of Christ around the world are the branches. All teaching the same theological view on the sacred scriptures. No female priests, no BLM flags, water baptism, and His real presence in the Eucharist. We can even see the mass in Revelation. Martin Luther had no authority to create another church. John Calvin had no authority to create another church. Roger Williams had no authority to create a church. Christ alone created ONE church with overseers to protect the sacred traditions and scriptures handed down His church to be one, not 30,000 like I had mentioned before. Without the church authority and apostolic succession of bishops, it's like a house without a father at home. There's nobody to call the brothers to the table when they're at odds with one and other like the Orthodox (they can't even share in the Eucharist among themselves) or see the church fly off of the rails like whats happening in the Methodist church. The One Holy Catholic and apostolic church was it.
Try to find a Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church is different from the Oriental Orthodox and we are not in communion with them. If you see an Orthodox Church with the word Oriental or Coptic in it, that Church isn’t in communion with the Orthodox Church. Find a Greek, Russian or Serbian Orthodox Church if possible. I know this is probably easier said then done.
@@danvinsontrailor2339absolutely not. The Orientals must repent of their heresy and rejection of the ecumenical councils. Only Eastern Orthodox churches are truly Orthodox. ☦️
Im looking into orthodoxy and Catholicism. Reading the catechism of the RCC, I found that the belief is that Allah of Islam is the same God of Christianity? What? I've overcome the Eucharistic being *the* blood and body of Christ, but that I can't wrap my head around. Is this the same belief in orthodoxy? I will ask the priest at OCIA about it next week. What is the point of being a Christian when there would be so many different ways to the Father?
Catholicism may hold that view due to the story that Francis of Assisi escaped execution at the hands of the sultan by professing that both he and the sultan shared the same god as Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
@@TranslatedAssumption perhaps. I looked at some reason written by a Catholic apologist who wrote something about their respect for Christ. That’s great that they see Him as an important figure but they believe He is still a creature and had not died. Again, I am still a crawling infant in my journey and have tons to learn and understand. Thank you for a possible explanation.
@@Alexandria-80my take on it is that Islam was heavily influenced by the nestorian heresy in the century leading up to their prophet Muhammad founding Islam. The heretic Nestorious fled into the Arabic lands after he was expelled from Europe for his heresy and continued to promote said heresy to many in the Middle East. So it follows that as he denied the divinity of Christ so would the soon-to-be adherents of Islam in the future who took his message and used it as one of the foundations of Islam.
Remember that the "orthodox faith"is not one,and not unified,so this is a nonsense arguement against the Catholic church. Oh,and remember what Our Lady of Fatima said.
Just tell her you are studying Church history and watch to visit an Orthodox Church you don't need to say YOU ARE WRONG.. just say you want to visit: orthodoxyinamerica.org/ reach out if you have questions. God bless!
Antipope John Paul II changed the original position on permitting the Eastern rite uniates to venerate saints that are venerated by Photian schismatics. HH Pius VI issued a decree removing "Orthodox" saints from the calendar, and also most uniates (such as the Ukrianians and Ruthenians) Latinized their liturgies and followed Western devotions. They also had to accept the Filioque. The Vatican II sect is not the Catholic Church.
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My Catholic friends are always trying to coax me into converting to Eastern Catholicism but I always ask "why would I downgrade?" I already have all of the sacraments, a beautiful rite and Liturgy, so on and so forth. Why would I bow to Rome? Silly.
Exactly, because the eternal Rome is not the same thing as Rome, Italy. Moscow is the third Rome.
I totally agree, they want to hide their persecution of Orthodox Christian Romanians, Ruthenians/Ukrainians and Serbs.
@@pero33403hmmm.. it's almost like that one small Middle Eastern country, that takes a biblical name just so it can make similar claims.. Even though the name means something different, especially within the new covenant.
So based
And on top of that, Pope Frank said it's a grave sin to convert the Orthodox, and the Vatican acknowledges we have valid sacraments already, so what's missing lol
This is a gross mischaracterization of Eastern Catholicism. Quite a few misrepresentations. I wish you would have done a bettet job at researching what we believe so you could have at least tried to appear objective. This is just polemics.
It's becoming really tiresome. I wonder why we Eastern Catholics seem to be in the Orthodox crosshairs as of late? Any Eastern Catholic TH-cam video has a plethora of teenage converts like this guy coming in and espousing all their tired talking points. I wonder what their bishops think of their behavior? Also what is it with converts evangelizing like mad in Orthodoxy circles? They don't have any theological training.
@@kevinninja787 I think the cradle orthodox types will start reentering communion with us, if Pope Francis and EP Bartholomew can pull it off in a meaningful way for both sides. All that will be left will be convertodox following reactionaries like Fr Heers (who allegedly still doesn't even have a bishop).
What are your questions? I am a former Eastern Catholic monastic and would be happy to address any issues you might have.
Orthodox apologetics are garbage
@@kais.1684 great apologetics. Go on, tell us more about those forgeries. Perhaps you should recall the pope who was nearly excommunicated by the councils. Anything to cope with the mess of your false church and its blasphemous filioque.
Kyle when he picks out a single individual and tries to frame him as the pope of the eastern catholics:
(Kyle has no clue and converted because of funny orthodox memes)
1. You can research Eastern Catholicism, visit and watch the many interviews with Eastern Catholic clergy, they confirm these.. th-cam.com/video/vR5JWsc1-qY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YepAjqVbu8Mp7sJ4
2. I did not convert because of memes.. I literally have an entire presentation of why I left.. watch it: th-cam.com/video/41iyvql3Dhs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=XtQtgipJP7kQ66-V & a whole playlist : th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8dRxtTvcdACuo3AOkvB9eb3.html
3. I can even make the arguments simple here
(a) Papal Supremacy is not taught in first 1000 years, we can see this in the canons of the councils and Popes being condemned by the Council. During the time of the schism, Rome relied on FORGERIES like donation of Constantine, Symmachian forgeries etc etc.. Rome has ADMITED this error in recent Alexandria and Chieti document..
(b) even if Catholicism was true, Modern Catholic teaching treats Orthodox like a sister church.. we have valid sacraments.. we have Christ = why do we need the Pope?... AND Rome has canonized POST-schism Orthodox Saints like Sergius of Radonezh
(c) The average catholic experience SUCKS at the novus ordo and many parishes follow spirit of vatican II... Modern Saints like JP2 kiss the quran and embrace false religions VERSUS average orthodox divine liturgy is VERY reverent, and has Christ in the Eucharist.. and we make great modern Saints like Seraphim Rose & St Paisios.. St John of San Francisco..
please watch my other videos! God bless!
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a) The pope was always the highest authority. Does this mean he is infallible? Not in the sense you want your viewers to believe it. Even the orthodox admit that the pope is "primus inter pares“. This should effectively mean that the orthodox SHOULD regard the pope as their highest authority.
b) Yes, because we strive to have actual union with the orthodox church. There are also wonders which happen there. Patriarch Cyrill from Russia (whom you show at least 1000 times per video) was also very ecumenical prior to the war like many other orthodox bishops. Furthermore, why not follow Protestantism? You do know that we are often considered to worship idols. The protestants have just a theology with missing elements! So we can‘t really believe things that put us into hell (according to the logic of many protestants).
c) You must understand that there are real lifes of middle eastern Christians involved. John Paul II. kissing the Quran saved countless lifes (btw we don‘t even know if it was a Quran. John Paul could also have simply made a mistake. The pope is the pope and not Christ.) Moreover, you should check out Padre Pio and Fatima because these miracles are irrefutable and proof for Catholicism. Don‘t argue like the pharisee king Dyer who says that wonders for Christ have been performed by Satan. Lastly, the Novus Ordo isn‘t the problem. I‘m Polish and every mass is great. However, every mass isn‘t so great when I‘m in Germany because of heretical priests (but there are also liberal orthodox priests in Germany).
P.S. Into what kind of heretical catholicism were you into? Wearing a brown piece of cloth for not going into Purgatory? This is pure heresy. Message me if you want to be taught further.
@@konstantintheodosius8685 What became incarnate?
listening to this guy is hilarious he doesn’t have a clue about catholicism
You should bring up the plenty EO saints canonized within the Roman rite.
Sts Theodosius of Kiev, Sava and Abraham of smolensk
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Exactly, it is hilarious to me how the rcc denies Palamas Sainthood but then has tons of Palamites within their roman rite calender lol
Wait so there are even Eastern Orthodox Saints that are canonized as Saints in the mainstream Roman Rite of Catholicism itself? Seriously? How on earth does that make any sense?
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Yeah there are Eastern Orthodox saints canonized in the mainstream roman rite of catholicism, Many catholics want to deny such reality or they say they mystically became Catholics.
@@778FraxK That is a good point. If EO Christians that are Saints can be considered canonized Saints in the RCC, and the fact that the EO are part of the Eastern lung of Church, why be in communion with Rome in Catholicism?
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Thanks for telling me!
this is precisely why I didnt convert to orthodoxy (there are quite a few other reasons why, but this is what angers me to see in orthodox apologetics): the way that you approach the debate between catholicism and orthodoxy.
It is recurrent when debating a protestant to notice that they see our Church and our Faith as a Caricature, and the debate is reduced to a mere exchange of biblical quotes. Something similar seem to happen in this type of debate, where we simply exchange quotes from Church Fathers, which is pointless and ridiculous to see. Any serious intelectual figure wouldnt treat this debate saying things like "catholicism is so dumb, you can have any theology and bow to the pope and still be catholic, therefore, catholicism is false" and popping multiple flash cards with enormous texts that supposedly contradict the faith that for 2000 years of theology and examination was confessed...
There are a few other things, like Catholic theology seem more consistent to me than Orthodox in some points (like saying that God is simple and not multiple), or the way that the Catholic Church see sacraments or religions outside of the Catholic Church seem to me also more prudent than the way Orthodox seem to see it, also, I know for sure that people like Therese of Lisieux (looking the way she prays with the spirit that the Saints always prayed and she has quotes which are so similar to Saint John Chrysostom even though she probably never read it), Saint Dominique, Saint bonaventure, Saint Francis of Assisi are Saints (there is an orthodox post about how supposedly "proves" that Saint Francis of Assisi is PROUDFUL and therefore not a saint which is SIMPLY ABSURD), so denying that these people are Saints is simply unacceptable to me.
Sorry for the vent, God bless.
You mean the modern views of the Catholic Church?
@@inrmds Idk what you're referring to.
@@kevingabriel8642 the views on sacraments outside the church
@@inrmds Probably. But a lot of discussions on concession of salvation towards infidels were made since quite a long time I think, the whole discussion on invincible ignorance
Could you please explain what became incarnate on your 2000 year, flawless theology? Also, please explain how it is permissible for St Greogy Palamas, who died out of communion with rome, be a saint in your church if Vatican 1, trent and ferrara florence all state that there is no salvation outside the church? Your "saints" are mostly delusional btw, please read about Margaret Alaqouce, Bernard of Clairveox, St Theresa of Avila and St Catherine of Sienna.
My parents won’t allow me to go to an Orthodox Church until I’m 18 (I’m 16) because they’re devout Protestant. Am I still allowed to practice Orthodox practices like the prayer rope, fasting, sign of the cross, etc.?
Prayer and sign of the cross yes, fasting do with moderation (if at all) because it’s best to have a spiritual father to guide you on that front. Blessings
Yes for sign of the cross, prayer rope.. FASTING ONLY DO With guidance of Priest
email closest priest: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
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You’ve genuinely helped me realise how much I was missing out on as a Protestant.
Your points on Martin Luther “removing too many hats,” removing entire books from the Bible, his quote “sin boldly,” the inconsistencies in both Catholicism and Protestantism, the “Pascal’s Ortho Wager” and your point about the fact that Protestants during the reformation should have become Orthodox instead of going back too far by trying to start from zero.
The memes help a lot to also order some of the more complicated ideas in to images that would be easier to understand.
I’ve heard of an Orthodox Church close from where I currently live, and I’m thinking of going there. My question is this: when is it appropriate for me to visit the church, and explain myself (what day of the week)?
I'm in a similar position, started attending Orthodox services about a month ago. I would recommend attending Vespers first if you have never attended an Orthodox service before. Its on Saturday afternoons. Show up early and you might have a chance to introduce yourself and talk to the priest.
@@Iriscience thank you for your advice
Sundays for liturgy and then stay for coffee hour
You can go to liturgy and stay for coffee hour. That’s a good time to talk to the priest.
reach out if you have other questions: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
I was blessed as a catechumen last Sunday.
Glory to God! happy for you! reach out if you have any questions
Kyle thanks for your video on university and education I’m 18 and had given up on school but after seeing your video I’ve begun to study a lot. Pretty much from the moment I get home, I’m enjoying a great deal and spent my savings on an education. Thank you
Awesome! Never give up. Hope you studies go well!
It’s always “Ermm…They venerate palamas/mark of ephesus!” Or “They don’t recite the filioque” bruh…like, cmon.
0:10 The Eastern Catholics didn't appear suddenly out of nowhere and converted to Catholicism from Orthodoxy because of the pope's beautiful eyes or something. They were forced to convert. Orthodox Christian Transylvanian Romanians were persecuted by the Austrian Roman Catholics in the 18th century. Maria Theresa (1717 - 1780), the Hasburg ruler ordered Adolf Nikolaus von Buccow, an Austrian general and governor of Transylvania to destroy all Romanian Orthodox churches and monasteries. Only Sâmbăta de Sus Monastery survived but it still has damage from the Hasburg cannons that were fired at it. Also Romanian priests, monks and faithful Romanian Orthodox Christians were unalived. That's how the Romanian Eastern Catholic Church got converts, the Romanians got threatened with violence and even death if they didn't convert to Catholicism, so the Eastern Catholic Church became a compromise between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. The same thing happened with the Ruthenians (today Ukranians) and to the Serbs during WW2 under the Roman Catholic Croats.
Preach brother!!! Same happened to Poles and Serbs. Now there are many present day Catholic Croatians who were Orthodox Serbs a few generations ago. I know this by looking at my own family and our origins. I am an ex-Catholic now Orthodox who is returning back to his roots.
@@pero33403 I already mentioned "the Serbs during WW2 under the Roman Catholic Croats" also the Ruthenians (today Ukrainians). The Poles fell first to Catholicism, hundreds of years before any other Eastern Europeans. Today a greater percentage of Poles are Catholics and Italians, which shows the degree the Poles were lied to, deceived and promised political and financial help for hundreds of years from the pope.
@@pero33403 Btw I'm a sister, not a brother ^^
@@RhiannonSenpai :-) OK, good on you sister! God bless
@@RhiannonSenpai I have to correct you, Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church is Rusyn and not ukrainian, ukrainians have their own greek catholic church
There is a clash coming with Islam. Christianity needs to stand against it united.
Let us call all our brothers and sisters to abandon all heresies and unite under the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church!
Rome can repent and join back into the One True Church. But their pride wont allow to admit they were wrong.
not for more than 5 years, @@Kostas_Dikefalaios
@@orrorsaness5942 What do you mean?
rome is a flip flopper in doctrine even more than before these days@@Kostas_Dikefalaios
I'm Eastern Catholic, and I can tell you for a fact, Kyle is a very lost soul in need of the true church of Chrisr Jesus, the catholic church.
The true Church is Orthodox.
The church who built an abrahamic faith center in UAE where Muslims, Jews and Christians can pray together? Lul
@@JIGAK1 Fr, how to these people cope with all the Ecumenism happening in their church?
A true church is where popes were condemned, built abrahamic faith center, worship pachamamas, kiss Quran, a pope say to child that his atheist father goes to heaven, admit that a other denomination were correct but not to convert there, excommunicating everyone first for thousand years and then yay ecumenism.
Yeah seems like totally legit true chruch. The only argument from Catholics I heard is nuh uh and muh orthodox is invented and wrong but not criticizing themselves.
Oh, so different theology means different creed? Who said that? There are also Thomist Catholics and Augustinian Catholics, we dont need all one school of theology
Attending a uniate church was my gateway drug to Orthodoxy lol.
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You and me both
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Same here!
Me too. From novus ordo to trad to uniate to Orthodoxy
Constantinople fell while Rome endured. The primacy of Rome from the start of the Church was never in question.
Rome did not endure, it's been sacked multiple times by pagans. And it's happening again. Pachemama, anyone?
@@Кивис-ч3й The Vatican still stands as a beacon on a hill, what happened to the Hagia Sophia? Sad.
@@VlaamsSoldat The Vatican is full of heretics. Less like a beacon, more like spent lightbulb.
@@VlaamsSoldat Literal "if God, why bad thing happen" type argument lmfao. The Vatican is absolutely filled with heretics. Less like a beacon, more like a shriveled piece of charcoal.
Technically Constantinople fell while in communion with Rome.
worst apologetic against the Holy Roman Church.
Catholicism is neither Holy nor Roman nor Catholic.
Yeah purgatory’s we’re very holy
@@TranslatedAssumptionlol how can you argue it isn't Roman? Wanna check where Vatican City is?
@@TranslatedAssumption pretty sure you don't know what you're saying 🤣
@@studiooriginals The Latin Church is Frankish. Orthodoxy was the state religion of the Roman empire until 1453.
How about turning your argument around and seeing how many of the canonized Orthodox saints taught the Filioque and how the Greek Orthodox were in communion with the western Churches for at least 500 years before the Anti-Patriarch Photios made an issue about it in 869? Anyway, the Filioque is perfectly Scriptural.
They don't exist
Could I suggest a better mic... You do a lot of great editing and commentary, responses etc but the mic makes your voice sound harsh and there's distortion because your voice is strong and passionate. It would make your videos much better. God bless you brother for your hard work. 🙏
Your knowledge of the Eastern Catholic Churches is nil; so is your understanding of Roman Catholicism. You really do not know the difference between Sacred Tradition & cultural tradition. I could refute you point by point. Yet one can not reason with someone whose points are rooted in emotions.
Make a video refuting him them .. don’t just comment about it , actually do something
Hey Kyle I am the Guy that added Nestorius is a Saint in Syro Malabar Church in Wikipedia and I also added a footnote to it saying "Even Though Syro Malabarian Catholic do not usually venerate Nestorius as other Saints but there is a (pseudepigraphal) Anaphora is attributed to Him." I was just saying Syro Malabar Church only Have an Anaphora that is Attributed to Him They don't accept his Teachings because they say "Holy Mary Mother of God" in the Hail Mary Prayer so I don't think they are nestorian in their Teachings and Nestorian in Culture but I Could be Wrong If so Please correct me.
All the dyerdox are going on an anti Catholic spiel after they lost a debate on the filioque 😂
Literally the first videos on my channel are explaining the errors of Catholicism.. I used to be a Catholic.. watch these: th-cam.com/play/PL6eyVWFC0v8dRxtTvcdACuo3AOkvB9eb3.html&si=1IAYSJis15VfYJ2-
Spoiler: It doesn’t. lol. The truth faith remains from Rome not the splintered orthodox.
>splintered orthodox
Lmao
@@uberfeel yes. Read history friend.
This guy mixing up rites with theology. OMG
Do you think the Eastern Rites have the same Latin Theology? Why do they not recite Filioque? Why do they give communion to infants? Married Priest? Leavened Bread?? all of this is tied into theology...
Maronites refute "orthodoxy" lmao
Real unity in ‚the‘ orthdox church? How laughable…😂. Let‘s ask the russisn orthodox church what they think about the greek orthodox church 😂
Have you read Church history? They have the same Liturgy, creed, sacraments, Saints, theology... Rome does not have that?? they have false unity and teach heresy.... address what I said in the video!
@@OrthodoxKyle You guys are in an active schism between the two largest churches all bc the Ukrainians don't appreciate being under a patriach who thinks they should be okay with being invaded. You tried to have an pan-Orthodox council and it laughable how quickly it completely fell apart. A bunch of churches didn't even bother showing up and didn't it take you guys decades to organize it?? So the true church of Christ has zero ability to even come into the same room to talk? Okay...both the Catholic and Orthodox churches have shortcomings but your assertion that the Orthodox have more unity is bullshit.
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You don’t even understand what the basic notion of Salvation outside thenCatholic Church means.
Hey man, I’m a Chaldean Catholic Church and I watch your videos a lot but David is wrong none of us venerate nestorius maybe the Indians but not us
Syro-Malabar according to many websites / their liturgies! check out my other videos on Catholicism. Look into Orthodoxy! God bless!
@@OrthodoxKyleHey Kyle I am the Guy that added Nestorius is a Saint in Syro Malabar Church in Wikipedia and I also added a footnote to it saying "Even Though Syro Malabarian Catholic do not usually venerate Nestorius as other Saints but there is a (pseudepigraphal) Anaphora is attributed to Him." I was just saying Syro Malabar Church only Have an Anaphora that is Attributed to Him They don't accept his Teachings because they say "Holy Mary Mother of God" in the Hail Mary Prayer so I don't think they are nestorian in their Teachings and Nestorian in Culture but I Could be Wrong If so Please correct me.
@@OrthodoxKyleHey Kyle I really Like your Videos and just want to say why do Eastern Orthodox venerate Mar Isaac The Syrian isn't he part of the Assryian church of the east and died outside of Eastern orthodox Communion.
@@OrthodoxKyle I’ve looked into orthodoxy in the past but my rite is not present in the Orthodox Church so I’m a little hesitant
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Revelation 14:12
King James Version
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Fantastic video. My exact conclusion. God bless Kyle
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well if they are orthodox in doctrin then why are they a problem?
They are not Orthodox in every doctrine, and they have a false union with a heretical Church = Roman Catholic. Some Eastern Catholics are closer to Orthodox than others. It is a HUGE problem to be in communion with a heretical Church, that teaches opposite theology (like Rome does). Pray for them both!
Does this mean we'll be getting a video on Western rite Orthodoxy as well?
I hope so, but it's a very different situation there as in Western Rite Orthodoxy is actually holy and the church.
@@sosukeaizen7028if any of them are venerating post-schism western saints, and they have the sacred heart devotion... it's a problem..
@@778FraxK. The sacred heart is Nestorian and some WR people venerate St Francis of Assisi. The WR is very problematic with a few post schism papal practices.
@@OrthoLouIt is not a problem for Eastern Orthodox theology.
Watch any debate between an Orthodox and a Roman Catholic, this question always comes up.
There's a bunch by Jay Dyer, but I don't know any right off that I can direct you to for that specific issue. There's actually a really good one one that mentions the Western Rite EO and the Sacred Heart stuff directly, but I can't remember who it was with. I think it was a call in on one of Jay's open debates.
Jay might have a few stand-alone videos discussing problems in the Western Rite Orthodox, and why they aren't problems for EO theology as a whole; like Eastern Rite Catholics are for the Papists.
@@OrthoLouas far as I know, they don’t. They seem to focus more on Western pre-schism saints
This just makes me lean more towards Catholicism as it shows theyre at least willing to compromise on minor issues for the sake of christian unity
These aren't minor issues.. the creed, theology, praxis, Saints, infant communion etc.. "Christianity unity" can only be achieved by a real unity in theology and not a false political union.. check out my playlist on Catholicism and this th-cam.com/video/hqi7qGHhASI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Fn1BnV0u76_HCyL4
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Yeah? The evidence shows us that even the East summit to the authority of the Bishop of Rome!
Nope
@@inrmds yeah? Have you heard about the Robber Council of Ephesus?
@@calson814 which isn't excepted by eastern Orthodox nor roman catholics sure.
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Honestly I can't say I disagree. He is actually one of the greatest.
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Since 1958 I agree if it's true that Cardinal Siri was elected ( smoke went up the chimney of the Sistine Chapel ), took the name Gregory, and was forced "to resign" by the French prelates. Archbishop Lefebvre taught that obedience is the handmaid (servant) of Faith - hence, a lower virtue. You have some good points.
XD What is that text from 0:10? XD What a nonsense. Where did you get that? BTW Did you know, that His Grace Bishop Theophan of Philomelion recited the Filioque? That one sentence made you frivolous. He is a orthodox bishop XD
Another thing - really? Do you consider suspended FSSPX as a "fully part of Catholic Church"? And sedecavantist? X D Your image from 0:10 is so bad, so bad.
The two Churches were in talks of uniting on different occasions.
The Bishops of Rome were the ones who kick started Christianity. Thanks to them we all get our bibles
When Rome was still Orthodox, before the schism of 1054.
The dark ages were dark because the Frankish conquerors of Rome and Western Europe wanted them dark, their warlords were turned into the bishops of Catholicism who suppressed literacy and knowledge of Christian Orthodoxy
@@nuns8126haha yea exactly we can say we canonized the bible too cause it was one church
Question, didn’t Gregory of Nyssa support the Filioque but he’s still venerated in Orthodoxy?
I think it’s a bit more nuanced than that, but it doesn’t actually matter. Saint Gregory of Nyssa could be wrong about things, even major things, and still be a Saint.
filioque can be understood in an orthodox sense (Christ sent His Holy Spirit Temporally, but H.S eternally proceeding from The Father)
@@orthomason Not sure about those outside the Church being Saints. The Church can never say that, but God may. No one outside the Church can ever be formally recognized as a Saint.
@@orthomason They haven’t been recognized by the entire Eastern Orthodox Church. ROCOR did, kinda. That’s debatable. And that’s a VERY specific situation.
@@orthomason The Faith is the same. Whether or not a particular jurisdiction glorifies someone as a Saint has no bearing on whether the Faith is the same. Have the other jurisdictions canonized these people? No. Are they then canonized Saints? No. Do the jurisdictions share the same Faith? Emphatically yes. Can people make mistakes? Absolutely.
Allegedly the Archdiocese of Seattle for the RCC is shutting down a lot of their parishes because people are driving to Portland Oregon for more Traditional services.
Now is an Opportunity for the Orthodox Church to help guide those who have been abandoned by Rome.
pray for them!
They just can't fathom that you can be united without having to have a dude in white that commands you all
The syro malabar church uses an anaphora that goes back to nestorius (debatable) and that anaphora is perfectly orthodox. They do not venerate nestorius or the other 2 fathers as saints as you would see us venerate say theotokos or st. Thomas or st. Peter
The Polish Greek Catholic Church surrendered to the Pope because they were afraid that they would be drawn under the influence of Tsar Ivan IV, the idea was to protect the church in Poland and resist Russian influence in the 16th century.
Same for all the eastern catholic slavic churches
And of course, what do the Roman Catholics do? Decide that the only way to be "Polish" is to be Latin and force the Greek Catholics to convert at gunpoint. No PLC anymore sort of for that reason.
@@FranzValer Never heard of the Slovak Roman Catholics converting the Slovak Greek Catholics with threat of death. Wouldn't be surprised if the Ustashe tried something similar in Croatia though.
What a beautiful straw man you guys made of Catholics
Orthodoxy needs to explain why their own Patriarchs signed off on and affirmed the papacy for 7 councils.😂
Your entire comment goes to show how little you understand what's going on. If the papacy in the RC understanding was meant, there would've never been a schism. Clearly, the Patriarchs had a completely different understanding to what the papacy is and it has NOTHING in common with the Vatican I definion, which basically replaces Christ with the Pope, which is beyond absurd and you can see the results of that.
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@@Lessonius then explain why saints in you’re own tradition affirmed the primacy of Peter, as well as your patriarchs, rather than ad hominem me.
Did you even read what I wrote? The answer is exactly the same. What RC thinks "primacy" means is NOT what it meant for the saints and patriarchs of old - once again, if the meaning was the same, there would be no schism. Are you paying any attention or just repeating the same nonsense argument?
Being the "first among equals" =/= being "the universal ruler of al churches everywhere with supreme authority"
The entire schism is based on the obvious and satanic abuse of what primacy means and what the Pope is and isn't.
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@@danvinsontrailor2339 sure I do. I think primacy is everything Catholics and Orthodox signed on that it was in Nicea II
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I want to see communion between the Orthodox & Catholic. How that unification would look like politically I don't know.
Most of the dogmatic differences between us are superficial, same views, but Rome wrote them into law, thus demystifying it (but also making it too sterile in the process imo).
Catholicism was instituted to be anti-Orthodox and to compete with it as counterfeit Christian orthodoxy. If you think the differences are simply superficial it is because your take is simply superficial.
The video linked below will begin to explain what I am talking about:
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Pope Pius XIII will fix it Lolol I’m a catechumen rn but I am enjoying this channel
Catholics are in communion with the Byzantine Orthodox Catholics because we can receive communion in each others liturgies. It’s the Body and Blood of Jesus that unites as One Body of Christ. The connection both rites share is very powerful and we are One, Holy, Catholic , and Apostolic Church. The EO is out of communion.
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I have an honest question; why is it that only catholics have eucharist miracles?
They don’t. The eucharist itself is a miracle. It is the body and blood of christ and catholics see the orthodox sacraments as valid, therefore catholics affirm the miracle of the eucharist in orthodoxy. You are probably referring to when the bread and blood turn into physical flesh and blood, all of those accounts seem to be warning signs for when the priest did not truly believe it was really the blood and body of Christ, and it prevented communion for the church on those particular days.
@@therealkingbaldwin that makes sense, much thanks brother.
@@jahiliya_enjoyer2837those things fall under the category of matters of private Revelation according to Catholicism. It even says it in their catechism that they maybe recognized but are not necessary for belief in.
SOAPBOX: I became very concerned when I was in a religious community within Catholicism that things of this nature may have something to do with demonic possession. The evil powers do possess full capability of performing what appear to be miraculous occurrences to deceive the faithful, I have been 100% guilty of this more times than I can remember when I was involved in Catholicism
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when i converted i was wondering what denom to choose and with alot of your vids, i found orthodoxy, much love brother. Glory be to God!
Hey dude I know this is an old video, but I was wondering your opinion on this: I have read many arguments online that the reason many Eastern Catholic churches don't say filioque is because there is an issue with translation from Latin to Greek. In Greek it would make the filoque heretical to say but in Latin it isn't due to linguistics. So to make it not heretical in Greek, some words would need to be added to that phrase, which would make the Creed way too long and wordy to say
Hi Buddy Pentecost guaranteed Unity in doctrine despite language barriers. The idea of the Filioque is antithetical to the creed without the Filioque that’s why there’s division over it not just the linguistics
Kyle, what are your thoughts on what is happening in Israel/Palestine this past week?
pray for them both!
Orthodoxy stands against hades and marches on!
Could you make a video that the resurrection of Jesus was a real event in history?
Yes, I can cover when I have time but there are LOTS of videos on it: th-cam.com/video/B8fKZ9QyHH4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Ro9pkBRMackq0gq8 God bless!
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I once saw the Patriarch of Moscow kissing the hand of Pope Francis in one of their meetings. This is an act of acknowledgment of “holiness” to the Pope. It is not humility, it is Anathema. The guardians of the Orthodox Church have made mistakes too….
There is a difference between individual Orthodox bishops being wrong, and the papal version of supreme emperor bishop upon whom all things rest. The Patriarch of Moscow has authority in his diocese, and has honor in the entire Russian Orthodox Church, but he cannot unilaterally make a decision that binds the entire Orthodox Church. These are very, very different things.
@@bradleyperry1735 Ι know bro, but he represents the whole Russian Orthodox Church. He carries a great title. He can't make such mistakes. Our ecumenical patriarch of Constantinople and the Greek Orthodox Church made an even greater mistake. He signed the declaration of international peace: 'No One is Saved Alone. Peace and Fraternity'". It took place in the Vatican in 20th of October 2020. By doing so, he acknoledged truth in other religions.
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Eastern Orthodox belong to the World Council of Churches,meet & pray with the Novus Ordo anti-popes. Sedevacantist + Resistance-SSPX chapels keep the true Faith available during our emergency. Eastern Orthodox Patriarchs embraced anti-Pope Paul VI at the heretical satanic 2nd Vatican council. Patriarch of Constantinople prayed with anti-popes JP2 + Benedict XVI.
“I once saw an orthodox Christian kissing the icon of the theotokos in one of their meetings. This is an act of acknowledgment of “holiness” to Mary. It is not veneration, it is worship. The Orthodox Church has deviated from the teaching of the apostles too.”
Sorry I just repurposed your take to illustrate a point.
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Would've been interesting if you addressed the pope harboring St. Maximos the Confessor while the Eastern Orthodox condemned him. Definitely an interesting topic.
I don't agree with the absolute Orthodox apologia, because in every communist country the Orthodox cruch collaborated with the state, even if we are Orthodox there are sone things we cannot argue
Palamas is problematic for Eastern Catholicism but I give him the benefit of the doubt. We accept the Filioque.
Would you being willing to link/let me know the sources for the Alexandrian document and the other one that was shown? And where I can check out the sources for the quotes in the first minute or so? Thanks and God bless.
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Alexandria Document
www.christianunity.va/content/unitacristiani/en/dialoghi/sezione-orientale/chiese-ortodosse-di-tradizione-bizantina/commissione-mista-internazionale-per-il-dialogo-teologico-tra-la/documenti-di-dialogo/document-d-alexandrie---synodalite-et-primaute-au-deuxieme-mille.html
Chieti Document
www.christianunity.va/content/unitacristiani/en/dialoghi/sezione-orientale/chiese-ortodosse-di-tradizione-bizantina/commissione-mista-internazionale-per-il-dialogo-teologico-tra-la/documenti-di-dialogo/testo-in-inglese1.html
@@OrthodoxKyleHalleluYah you are a godsend, my dude! Muchae gracias. And I'm happy to report that my mom and me spent four days on vacation at Nashville with my aunt and uncle (mom's sister and brother-in-law respectively) and while there on Thursday we went inside an Orthodox Church for the first time ever. God bless that one lady who let us in, a beautiful saint just for that. My mom was amazed. Even got a little portable icon of Christ.
Glory to God!
Great video. Thanks
Hey Kyle as a catholic who wants to become orthodox something is confusing me. Like I went to my local church they said I have to get re baptised which I’m totally fine with, than my friends dad is a orthodox priest he said only christmation and now idk what to do everyone is giving me different answers
I am a catechumen and I can tell you from personal experience this is a hotly debated topic within Orthodoxy. The notion of only chrismating a heterodox is relatively new and based on the teaching of the Holy Fathers is not consistent with the historic faith tradition. If you want to be baptized you may need to find someone who is actually willing to baptize you. Right now I am looking at the Serbians, Bulgarians, and ROCOR even though I attend a Greek parish.
The very issue you are bringing up disproves "The Orthodox Church" and proves that you should remain Catholic. The Catholic Church does not have contradicting dogmas like the Eastern Orthodox do.
God have mercy…
Imagine joining communion with a Church that calls itself "Orthodox" while directly contradicting Scripture when it says there is one baptism and that divorce is not allowed.
If your first bsptism was trintarian, then you must bot be baptized again.
Grew up Catholic, feeling abused with the current papacy, still feel like leaving to convert would be like abandoning family for a different one/impossible.
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I feel the same, especially as a cradle catholic that habe been in a catholic kindergarten, school and so on.
But if you convert you will be getting a much more wholesome family. An abusive home is not worth staying in, it is not healthy either.
I am a former member of a religious community in Catholicism that identified as an orthodox monastery. Here are my two biggest issues with Eastern Catholicism (aka Byzantine Catholicism).
1. Identity politics - I have a good friend who is a Ukrainian Catholic seminarian and he is convinced that Byzantine Catholics have fully embraced identity politics and we both find that to be very disturbing. For example the Ukrainians have embraced hyper nationalist sentiments as an identity. My former religious community identified as "Orthodox in communion with Rome" and genuinely believed that they were Orthodox monastics no matter how incoherent their existence and actual adherence to Orthodoxy in monasticm was and continues to be. I like to refer to these people as trans-orthodox because them identifying as Orthodox makes as much sense as a transsexual referring to themselves as a pregnant male.
2. ECUMENISM - This is what is the true reality of uniatism and Byzantine Catholicism as a whole. When I joined the aforementioned religious community that I was a part of the hegumen sat me down and informed me that the primary mission of the religious community was to advance the cause of ecumenism. Prior to that I had been on a pilgrimage to Europe which was supposed to be a Byzantine Catholic pilgrimage, we we had several prominent clergyman within Byzantine Catholicism who gave talks advocating for ecumenism and I remember them talking about how dishonest they thought the Orthodox were because of how in their opinion the Orthodox viewed history. What I began to notice was that Catholicism follows the same world establishment that brought us the authoritarianism of covid and the LGBT nonsense. Their words are not consistent with their actions, cognitive dissonance does not matter only advancing the cause of ecumenism where anything goes so long as everyone is subjugated to certain worldly authority.
I'm a Polak (Mazovian) who practices Greek Catholicism. If you read about how Greek Catholics were treated in the PLC by the Polish Catholic hierarchs, you would probably understand why. Of course that is not an excuse, and I consider Bandera a bastard and a traitor, but on some level, you could understand why these guys would want to form a Ukranian identity based around the UGCC. Under the circumstances Greek Catholics faced, hyper nationalism was probably inevitable, much as it angers me to say.
No time to read these screenshots ! Is this speaker on his 5th cup of black coffee?
Everything from the Catholic Church he says has an explanation. Orthodoxy has many problems as well, starting form the horrible Palmist theology. The difference between the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church is that in the Catholic Church there can be disagreement but in unity. Catholic means of the whole, Orthodoxy is not of the whole: it is decided, inconsistent and it rather have mental peace by reducing everything to "Sola Traditio" rather than embracing and discussing the complexities of the immense mystery of God.
We can go on and list each and every one of the problems of the Catholic and Orthodox Church, but I believe that at the end of the day, it is a leap of faith to submit to the Catholic Church authority, and based on what I know and experienced and seeing the intense fruits of the Catholic Church, not only in Europe but in all the continents and the great saints I know I am in the right place.
Yes it is true, the Catholic Church is going through horrible times. But most of the things they say of the pope are fake news. Yes, he says some very ignorant things but he is no magnificent theologian but rather a weird kinda charismatic pastor, which I don't like, but I know God has permitted him to be the leader of the Catholic Church, the biggest on on earth BY FAR.
This however, does not give you the right to stab the Church's back and leave it for your mental peace.
" starting form the horrible Palmist theology. "
Is this a Joke?? the whole point of the video is that The Catholic Church Venerates Palamas also?? If his theology is so heretical then why does Eastern Catholic consider him a Saint???
"doxy is not of the whole: it is decided, inconsistent and it rather"
Is this a joke comment? I showed how Rome literally has various teachings in FSSP Vs SSPX Vs Eastern Catholic etc???
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@@OrthodoxKyle Indeed, We the catholics should not venerate the heretic ideas of Palamas. That is a fake ecumenism and a bad understanding of what I will say to you bellow.
And no, the Catholic Church does not have different theologies. Dogmas do not change and are UNIVERSAL as the Catholic church is. You are confusing theological views and theories with dogmas.
In regard of the things you say about the Filioque (thinking you somehow outran the whole of the Catholic Tradition: what was once saint is ALWAYS holly. If saying the old creed was holly it is still holly and that cannot change. It is a matter of understanding and accepting the Easterns, not of imposing the western tradition which is more vast and has developed better in its understanding thanks to historical and cultural reasons. The eastern catholics get that and they are saying no heresies, they just haven't professed the completed understanding given by the Holly Magisterium of the Church. Just as they don't teach the Holly Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God and her assumption to heaven.
And by the way, this is an honest question. If the Catholic Church is fake and heretic, how can it be that God has permitted it to grow to be BY FAR the biggest christian denomination? How is it possible that catholics have the bodies of the 12 apostles? how is it possible that we have so many apparitions? how is it possible we have so many saints? how is it possible we have so many miraculous events like the transformation of catholic eucharist into blood and flesh? Idk man, I respect the Orthobros but they do so many things many groups inside the church do in regards of having so much resentment.
Can anyone explain and reconcile the fact that Catholicism embraces heretical Church entities such as nestorian heretics and monophysites? It's interesting to hear people in Catholicism speak about unity when they have fully accepted communion with those that they have condemned as heretics for centuries. Ecumenist pan-heresy at its finest...
Excellent content as always Kyle! Jesus is going to come back and the pope is going to be jelly of all the attention taken off of him 😅🤣
Roman Catholics just like pharisees
bro chill out love you’re vids but u need to calm down my guy
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Great video as always Kyle! I do have a question if you wouldn't mind answering. (You answered a little in a past message)
I am trying to lead my Pentecostal friend to Orthodoxy. I know there are many errors with Protestantism in general, and that speaking in tongues isn't biblical. However, I talked to him and he said he will research Orthodox history but he will remain Pentecostal. I've known him for a long time and I really do care about his salvation, but how can I explain to him that Pentecostalism is non-trinitarian, that speaking in tongues is like a mental illness and that there are many errors in their teaching? How do I say this without offending him or making him resent Orthodoxy in general?
If you could link any resources, it would be greatly appreciated.
Be careful with your words, be patient
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Im a teenager and a catholic. Ive seen lots of problems with the Catholic Church and am looking into orthodoxy, do you have any recommendations on videos for Catholics? I want to learn about Orthodoxy for when I get older and look to convert.
Kyle has a playlist of recommended videos for catholics, check some of them at least
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You should remain Catholic, but in the current situation the true Catholic position is sedevacantism. Eastern so called "orrhodoxy" is a false religion. The early church CLEARLY believed in and taught divine simplicity, filioque, Papacy, Purgatory...
do not leave the church watch pinesap speckso i miss christendom and vatican catholic video on it
The rock was Peter. The Old Testament always foreshadows what's to come. Jesus made Peter a steward as the Lord made Eliakim a steward. This is why Peter was mentioned nearly 180 times in the New Testament. The other apostles combined are mentioned around 90.
Matthew 16:18
"And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock, I will build my church."
You are Rock, and on this rock, I will build my church.
Rock Nérpoç "Peter is simply the masculine form of the Greek word for "rock" (from where we get petroleum and petrify). This verse is a play on words. Jesus gives Simon the name Rock, and on this rock, Jesus will build his Church.
Let us compare *Isaiah 22:22 / *Matthew 16:19
Isaiah 22:22a
"| will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David" "b "What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.''
Matthew 16:19a
"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven." "b Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
Implications of stewardship. Why did Jesus refer to Isaiah 22?
Isaiah 22:15
Custody over the king's assets. (See also Matthew 24:45-47) / Peter holds custody over the Church on earth.
Isaiah 19-21
Holds office with successors / Popes (Bishops of Rome) Hold office with successors Like Judas' office of bishop (Acts 1:20)
Isaiah 22:21
Father over the nation / Pope over the church. Pope = "Father" in Greek / Latin
Isaiah 22:22
Serves the Davidic King / Peter Serves the King (Jesus)
Jesus again charges Peter to watch over His flock, giving him authority over the Church on earth before ascending into Heaven.
John 21:15-17
Jesus said to Simon Peter . "'Feed my lambs, Tend my sheep, Feed my sheep."
Later, Peter uses this authority to silence a dispute in Jerusalem.
ACTS 15:7-12
And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up and said .. Then, all the multitude kept silent.
There has been an unbroken chain of bishops of Rome from Peter to Linus to Cletus up until today. The bishop of those first Christians mentioned in the Bible was Ignatius of Antioch. The one who referred to the church as "Catholic" in the first century. One of many witnesses of Peter's authority as bishop of Rome. Early Church witnesses, like Bishop of Lyons Irenaeus, etc.
The church is the cornerstone here on earth, the trunk, and all of the Catholic Christian churches of Christ around the world are the branches. All teaching the same theological view on the sacred scriptures. No female priests, no BLM flags, water baptism, and His real presence in the Eucharist. We can even see the mass in Revelation. Martin Luther had no authority to create another church. John Calvin had no authority to create another church. Roger Williams had no authority to create a church. Christ alone created ONE church with overseers to protect the sacred traditions and scriptures handed down His church to be one, not 30,000 like I had mentioned before. Without the church authority and apostolic succession of bishops, it's like a house without a father at home. There's nobody to call the brothers to the table when they're at odds with one and other like the Orthodox (they can't even share in the Eucharist among themselves) or see the church fly off of the rails like whats happening in the Methodist church. The One Holy Catholic and apostolic church was it.
I’m an eastern catholic form Syria and I currently attend an oriental Orthodox Church which feels closer to me than a Roman Catholic Church
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Try to find a Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church is different from the Oriental Orthodox and we are not in communion with them. If you see an Orthodox Church with the word Oriental or Coptic in it, that Church isn’t in communion with the Orthodox Church. Find a Greek, Russian or Serbian Orthodox Church if possible. I know this is probably easier said then done.
@@danvinsontrailor2339 as far as I know we are not in communion with them
@@danvinsontrailor2339absolutely not. The Orientals must repent of their heresy and rejection of the ecumenical councils. Only Eastern Orthodox churches are truly Orthodox. ☦️
Better yet, find an Antiochian Orthodox church.
Im looking into orthodoxy and Catholicism. Reading the catechism of the RCC, I found that the belief is that Allah of Islam is the same God of Christianity? What? I've overcome the Eucharistic being *the* blood and body of Christ, but that I can't wrap my head around. Is this the same belief in orthodoxy? I will ask the priest at OCIA about it next week. What is the point of being a Christian when there would be so many different ways to the Father?
Catholicism may hold that view due to the story that Francis of Assisi escaped execution at the hands of the sultan by professing that both he and the sultan shared the same god as Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
@@TranslatedAssumption perhaps. I looked at some reason written by a Catholic apologist who wrote something about their respect for Christ. That’s great that they see Him as an important figure but they believe He is still a creature and had not died. Again, I am still a crawling infant in my journey and have tons to learn and understand. Thank you for a possible explanation.
@@Alexandria-80my take on it is that Islam was heavily influenced by the nestorian heresy in the century leading up to their prophet Muhammad founding Islam. The heretic Nestorious fled into the Arabic lands after he was expelled from Europe for his heresy and continued to promote said heresy to many in the Middle East. So it follows that as he denied the divinity of Christ so would the soon-to-be adherents of Islam in the future who took his message and used it as one of the foundations of Islam.
Can you do a video on The World Mission Society Church of God?
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Hey Kyle, can you make a video on how Orthodoxy tackles the Is-Ought problem? Thanks.
We have revelation, revelation tells us how the world ought to be without it being a non sequitar. WE are Moral Realist => Divine Command Theory
Sedevacantism does not deny the fundamental attributes of the church.
Yes it does.. It denies indefectibility of the Church from Vatican I th-cam.com/video/8a79xmRsiQQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iFb05kPOW4KMqzkM
but Kyle, before i liked this video, the like button said "666" on it. so explain that?!?!?! Catholics 1/Orthodox 0!!!!!
What about nicea 2
Make a video on Vatican I please ❤
Jay has two amazing streams in this playlist: om/playlist?list=PL6eyVWFC0v8dRxtTvcdACuo3AOkvB9eb3
on Vatican I
Where did you get your church fathers set?
ebay
Remember that the "orthodox faith"is not one,and not unified,so this is a nonsense arguement against the Catholic church. Oh,and remember what Our Lady of Fatima said.
What she said?
Hi Kyle,nice video again.Since you posted the Eastern Catholicism video,can you do another video about Western Orthodoxy?God bless you.
Based Kyle at it again?!?!?!!!
I want to become orthodox but my mom is Roman Catholic and my dad and i dont know how to tell them that the orthodox chruch is the real chruch
Just tell her you are studying Church history and watch to visit an Orthodox Church
you don't need to say YOU ARE WRONG.. just say you want to visit: orthodoxyinamerica.org/
reach out if you have questions. God bless!
@@OrthodoxKyle thank you so much brother i appreciate the help!
I will ask her if we can go to one
@@OrthodoxKylealso your videos are amazing man
How did it go?
“Come play in our Eastern play pen,” offer the Roman Catholics.
To correct something you said, most Eastern Catholics aren't larping as Orthodox, they are Orthodox larping as Catholics.
XD I recommend checking Reason&Theology
You should debate the Dimond brothers
Antipope John Paul II changed the original position on permitting the Eastern rite uniates to venerate saints that are venerated by Photian schismatics. HH Pius VI issued a decree removing "Orthodox" saints from the calendar, and also most uniates (such as the Ukrianians and Ruthenians) Latinized their liturgies and followed Western devotions. They also had to accept the Filioque. The Vatican II sect is not the Catholic Church.
"The Vatican II sect is not the Catholic Church."
LOL??? This denies Vatican I?? th-cam.com/video/8a79xmRsiQQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=aGav_gWVa2oxDDkK