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Man, Kyle has really helped my journey towards Orthodoxy ☦ Thanks a lot, Kyle! God bless.
Bro went from Roblox to Orthodoxy. Let's gooo!!!
Not to be that guy but how do you have 1.4 million subs from Roblox?????
Wonderful! ☦️
Psalm 57:7 - My heart is fixed, O God, my heart is fixed: I will sing and give praise.
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as Orthodox Serb i respect good Catholics and i rather say that Pls pray for catholics those who readed my comment
Edit: 97 likes Im going to pray for them tomorrow
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There isn't good Catholic, learn history, pope supported bombing of Serbs during nato bombardment, pope supported and catholic clergy actively participated in massacre of serbs during NDH... and much much more
@@besileiarhomaion8726I agree with you but I respect Catholics THOSE who don't bombed Serbia+
I'm not getting political in here
For Orthodox vatican is false religion.
Period
as a catholic, i agree that all of us christians should repent and be part of the first church made by saint peter himself ☦
@@Catho.the first church made by St. Peter would be Antioch.
Russia was big enough to spread, but unlike West Europe they could travel by land. Russia was bigger than the west that they could've spread more rapidly across central Asia, they did that yes in the 1860s but not sooner enough when Holland and Britain were spreading the 1700s. If the Ottomans could have so much power, what would have stopped Greece? Even if the British, the Spanish, and the French(being Cath and Prod countries) used violence to spread, that doesn't mean the Orthodox could've spread without violence. Aren't we forgetting the Russo-Turkish conflicts like in 1878?
You ask what would have stopped Greece? Sadly Ss Cyril and Methodius mission to evangelize the Slavic lands was impeded and undone by German Catholics, even though the Pope had ruled in favor of the Orthodox brothers’ right to that territory. I expect even without the Ottoman conquests there would have been more of that, as evidenced by the poisonous fruit of the Crusades.
“We Catholics are one” proceeding to that thought, I knew a girl who went from Latin mass catholicism to Byzantine Catholicism, but the strange part was she had to get re baptized and re chrismated. So this one thing is all over the place. Catholicism is truly pick and choose whatever you want🤦🏽♂️
Thats heresy. Byzantine Catholics allow Latins to receive communion and viceversa. No need to be "chrismated".
@@Chadlifter her recitation without the Filioque of the creed was done. She was re Christmated again and re baptized. I mean what do you expect lol, Rome is all over the place. Who knows what’s going on with Rome, heresy scattering everywhere within it.
Uh lol I go to Byzantine Rite church and have extensively talked to the priest. THERE IS NOOOO re baptism
@@thiirtyseventeen don’t know what’s going on anymore with roman catholicism it’s all scattered in a bunch of heresy. Well what’s funny is she recorded getting re chrismated and baptized. Plus reciting the creed without the “and the son” which is quite funny lol.
hummm then that friend is leaving out elements or parts, because we believe in one baptism and you shouldnt have to get confiramted or chrismated after.@@Georgiegre
So i have the opportunity to go to an orthodox monastery for a week and I'm also chekcing out an orthodox church to attend too.
I come from an evangelical pentecostal background but lately have felt more and more called to traditional expressions of christianity.
Can you do a video on confession? Ive never done it before beyond just privately confessing my own sins. Can you explain it? Im also not going to lie I'm also nervous about confessing my sins to someone else it just feels embarassing thinking about it. But i feel led to do it because God has me remembering sins from years ago I've not only forgotten about but also previously repented for.
We go to our priest for confession, we don't go to a priest who doesn't know us because he doesn't know you and your problems. Confession is to the Lord not the priest like in RC. You face an icon and confess while your priest stands to the side silently. We say our sins but we don't go into extreme detail because we don't want to tempt the priest. We also aren't extremely vague like "lust", if we committed adultery then say it. Afterwards your priest may talk with you or you can ask him for help. This is why you confess to a priest that knows you well, because he knows what medicine you need.
@@florida5236catholics do it basically the same way
Did this guy really compare Catholics to islam ? This guys really on one
Hey Kyle you watch satans guide to bible and try to refute the claims made in the video I feel like it’d be beneficial for the community
Revelation 14:12
12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
Would be nice to see you discuss at least some of these issues with Michael Lofton from Reason and Theology. Or the problem of circular ecclesiology in the Orthodox Church and the problem of recognising what is an ecumenical council and what is not
Michael Lofton is a pinhead and a clown. Anyone who can't see that by now, esp seeing him defend Cardinal Fernandez's heretical corn book... needs major help.
softon is a total joke, not worth Kyle’s time
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I’m someone who is looking to convert to Christianity and I’m trying to discern between Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Please pray for my conversion into the true church!
Amen
Ill pray for the holy spirit to guide you. Please pray for me too.
there isn't even one "orthodox" church, theres multiples, the russians and greeks are in a split
The Church is findable and known.
@@franknwogu4911 not exactly. It’s a very complicated situation.
Kyle, can you please make a video about liberation theology? It's a latin American heresy that claims that Jesus was a communist who preached class struggle. I don't know how popular this heresy is outside of Latin America, but, as a latino I think this video would be much appreciated
Ayo Mandela catalogue fan nice 👍🏿
Im tired of seeing Roman Catholics debate Prostestants. They always end on division over authority and Catholics will always "win" because they claim authority. We need some Orthodox vs Roman Catholic debates.
We win because we have arguments.
I prefer Orthodox v Protestants, especially the ex-Catholic Protestants because I'm sick of some Prods overestimating Rome and go all Catholic this, Catholic that.
there are 3 times as many protestants as their are "orthodox" so it just makes sense, especially in the west
We orthodox don't try to win and lord it over anyone. We wash feet. We stand orthodox and anyone who is seeking for orthodoxy, he asks for us to wash his feet from the dirt of his path and we happily oblige.
I haven’t seen a Protestant lose to a Catholic in a debate.Protestantism has the biblical position so it doesn’t matter if Catholics claim “authority.”
It’s ironic how he uses St Cyprian of Carthage to push his idea of papal supremacy, yet St Cyprian famously opposed Pope Stephen on the reception of the heterodox…
Re-baptism is Sacrilege, Pope Stephen was right
@@vincenzorutigliano7239 heretics don’t have priests nor communion. Ergo, no baptism. The council of Carthage, the and second canon of the fifth-sixth ecumenical council also ratified Carthage and St Cyprian. The only abomination is your ignorance of ecclesiology.
Those who apostatized, having previously received Orthodox baptism, are brought back by confession and Chrismation. Those baptized outside the faith have nothing more than a vain washing of water, a pagan deluge.
@@living_orthodoxFather, I'm a catechumen and I'm converting from atheism to Holy Orthodoxy. I was baptized Roman Catholic, though my family stopped attending when I was a child. My priest said he'll just Chrismate me, should I talk to him about baptism as well? Ps. I love your work.
@@TheMeatyOne360well it’s all orthodox in the end so I guess it doesn’t really matter. baptize not baptize eh who cares
If memory serves, I think St. Cyprian went by the title of Pope too, even though he was in Carthage.
Amazing how low tier the Catholic Answers crew is.
"orthodox" apologetics is no better
@@franknwogu4911. False.
@@franknwogu4911 Every time Orthodox by arguments refutes so called catholicism a.k.a heresy
ok which church should i join, the Moscow backed church or the Constantinopolitan backed church? you're not one@@TheRealRealOK
JayDyer still infuriating the caths. Why dont Catholic Answers and Michael Lofton debate him? You're all so sure about Catholicism, yet your academics ignore invites to discuss and debate. Orthodoxy shall prevail. Glory to God!
That “WRONG” sound bite always makes me chuckle. I knew there’d be tons in this video and I was not disappointed haha thank you always for sharing your incredible wealth of knowledge
I logged in just to give this comment a like 😅 (and video too)
Father Justin Popovic was a great friend of Romanian Orthodox Elder Cleopa,they are both saints in their own right!
St. Justin Popovic is on the Synaxarion and Blessed Elder Cleopa is not far behind.
Thank you so much Kyle for addressing these issues! I always got confused when Catholics bring up a lot of these and I don't know what to think sometimes. St Mark of Ephesus is truly a lifesaver or soulsaver
I'm a Catholic, and i so confused about this conflict between catholic and orthodox
Ps : i already began to attend Divine liturgy in orthodox Church, and i just want to know deeper.
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Thank you for so many explain and example that you guys give, and i already did asking a few question about Christianity to Orthodox Priest, from Orthodox view of course.
And yeah, its answered a few of my question, but i got some issues that i cant agree.
So i hope i can also ask few question to Catholic priest too, since in my country the catholic priest have so many jobs, so they maybe dont have a time for a dialogue, but i will try as hard as i can.
And i hape i can get the final answer at the end, God Bless Everyone, Thank you.
If you're attending a divine liturgy, you can ask your questions to a priest there; he may also suggest some books suitable for your level, God be with you!
Ask yourself a pretty simple question: If the catholic church is untrue than why would God make the miracle of Fatima or the miracle of Guadalupe ti convert people for the Catholic faith? That and saints like Saint Padre Pio and Saint Thereza of Avila belong IN the Catholic Church.
@@Brunorochliveira Even though Islam claims many miracles, is Islam true? We Orthodox don't base our beliefs solely on miracles and feelings.
Talk to the Orthodox Priest
@@BrunorochliveiraIt's called prelest. Demons can cause people to see things that are not actually Christ/Mary/other saint.
That video of the orthodox priest calling out the pope was the first instance of eastern orthodoxy I've ever saw. Saw I on lauren chen's twitter when I used to be on there
Based priest
I want to see this video!
Dang bro, I think I might be Eastern Orthodox, and I’m not saying that after watching just one video,
I’ve been watching Kyle’s “ If you’re Catholic” playlist for the past few days, and learning more about the history of the Catholic Church, and the history of the true Church is certainly pointing to Eastern Orthodoxy.
I’ve been praying about it, and have yet to go to a Divine Liturgy, but I’m swaying towards Orthodox Christianity.
Bless you, I grew up protestant and the more I learned the more I realized how Orthodox my faith already was, and realized I needed to join to the church. Go to liturgy, way more beautiful than the catholic masses ive attended. ☦️☦️☦️
@@brumalogresteer4124 Is there a tool to help find an Eastern Orthodox Church near me online? Because I just want to be thorough when trying to find the proper one. God bless!
I wanna say that as a catholic the Orthodox Church is not bad at all. But please do not become like Kyle and the rest of the internet orthodox nerds, because they always mock Catholicism and I would call this act a heresy. If you are interested into the traditions of this church I’m actually happy that you found the church that works best for you, but keep in mind please do not mock or stand against any other church (other than the blasphemous ones like Mormons and liberal Christianity) and I will be pleased. Amen
@@charleybordelon473If you're in North America each diocese has a page on their website that will map churches near you.
@@theheroboy1 I have a lot of respect for Catholics, and don’t get me wrong, I won’t mock, but I wouldn’t say what Kyle is doing, is Heresy, because to be heretical, you need to spread a false teaching consistently, and although he can be blunt and mean it feels at times, at the end of the day he isn’t doing anything blasphemous or heretical.
Have you read the brothers karamazov? There's a chapter called the Inquisitor where Dostoevsky talks about how the Catholic Church elevated the Pope higher than Christ
Dostoyevsky is also known for treating and writing about Poles, Finns and other nations occupied by Russia as inferior and evil. Not to mention promoting autocracy (an authoritarian form of Russian monarchy). Therefore, weak authority in religious matters
He had the audacity to say look at the fruits of Orthodoxy? Wow, look at the fruit’s of papal Protestantism. At this point if they can’t see the degeneracy of their system I don’t know what else to say.
Matthew 7:16-20
King James Version
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Just want to share my story of conversion.
Since I was a child, I never liked Roman Catholic mass. Too loud, too much animation and dancing, too much instruments and sound boxes. Growing into my teen years, I started to notice a lot of stuff that just didn't make sense, like us inheriting the sins of Adam, Mary also being immaculately conceived, the excessive use of statues to the point where superstition of touching or rubbing or kissing the statue would supercede the devotion to the person being depicted. I would start to learn what the Novus Ordo and the Charismatic Reformation was, and started to slowly back away and turn myself from the Vatican.
My mother was curiously raised in a trad cath manner, in the sense of the ways before the VCI. She passed down to me an icon of the Woman of the Apocalypse and a family devotion to Our Lady of Perpetual Help, an Orthodox icon.
The final straw for me was when the priests stopped giving us the Blood of Christ along with His Body. For some while, I had been receiving communion while knelt. One day, our parish priest had to attend some final rites at some houses, so an out of town priest came to celebrate. He refused to give me communion while I knelt. I stayed until he begrudgingly and annoyed complied.
Only when I discovered Orthodoxy about 2 years ago was when I saw most of my life I had an Orthodox view on the faith and on my way to want to get closer to God. So in my view, God has set me on this path of conversion since childhood. Im 4 months into my catechism, Glory to Christ for He has Risen. Through Him, all things are possible.
your church has 2 Ukrainian churches, this isn’t one
@@uchennanwogu2142 it only has 1. The other is made by the Ukrainian government.
@@HolkHugan says who, the ecumenical patriarch recognizes a different one to the moscow backed onr
@@uchennanwogu2142 The patriarchs aren't infallible, they're human and will have to respond before God if they're helping in crimes against His flock. The Ukrainian government is literally banning faithful from returning and worshipping in the UOC, they outlawed it.
your church is not one then@@HolkHugan
Nice one Kyle! God be with you!
The Orthodox did evangelise, and they didn't genocide the natives, either linguistically or physically. Just look at the Russian Orthodox missions to Alaska, not to mention that map you showed from Kursk root lodge doesn't even show all the churches(for whatever reason)
the russian orthodox did genocide the tatars
Did not genocide? What happened in the pratulin? And What is happening in the Ukrainie?
@@HumanCath What has the Ukraine war have to do with Orthodoxy or genocide?
@@ofaoilleachain It has the fact that many Russians who identify themselves as Orthodox are committing crimes, and Kirill is comfortable with it
Wow, great job considering central Asia is still muslim and pagan while all of iberian America is Catholic. Also, the Church protected the natives from sinful men who just wanted power and wealth.
I have yet to hear a sound, historically true and logical argument from Roman Catholics about the Schizm. It is amazing how even some of the smartest and most well-read scholars in the Roman Catholic world start babbling like school kids when they have to explain obvious one-sided innovations like the change of the Creed and Papal infallibility.
Tired argument.
4:44 you always use this quote from this one bishop, while hundred others proclaimed the papacy. If you showed me more quotes from the early church fathers (I, II, III, IV, V centuries) saying the papacy is “satanic” or just wrong I will consider it more but please stop showing the same quote over and over again.
Kyle, please pray for my catholic dad! I recently told him I want to become orthodox, but it has just led to useless arguments. Glory to God we are attending our first divine liturgy this weekend and the priest would like to talk to us personally during coffee hour, maybe his doubts will be cleared by then.
"That Philly O'Quay." - Trent
Ironically Catholic Answers is why I saw the problem with Protestantism.
That old monk at the end… what an absolute king 👑
11:50 okay but do Orthodox bishops not act as their own popes for the churches they lead in their geographical area? Where do they not address any issues that make a rise in their area until a meeting of everybody is accomplished?
Seems like this one struck a nerve with our Catholic friends.
Two points and considering that I am orthodox not Catholic. Even the orthodox has different gatherings, as well from orthodox to Eastern Orthodox to western right orthodox, etc .. also up until a few years ago did I only hear about orthodoxy due to the fact that I studied church history. But no orthodox believer ever preached the gospel to me even after I knew orthodox members. I am keeping it real and being honest. I do remember in the late 60s and 70s. Catholics evangelizing. But I never heard of orthodox believers evangelizing even today unfortunately. Since we have the spirit of truth we have to be honest. Jesus did say go and preach the gospel to all nations. This is something we orthodox need to consider and be convicted about. I never see any orthodox even mention the name of Christ outside of the church. Unfortunately I have never seen or met any orthodox believers who were formally drug addicts or prostitutes or even gang members. Only in church history, but not today. I was a protestant for 30 years and converted over to orthodox and church are only intellectuals, no former gang members drug addicts, etc. Therefore it’s hard for me to make meaningful connections
I am guessing you are in America? America has 150+ MILLION Protestants.. 70+ MILLION Catholics.. And up until last few years less than ONE MILLION Orthodox Christians... So just number games, you are going to have MANY more experiences with non-Orthodox relative to where you live. "intellectuals, no former gang members drug addicts, etc. "? I have interviewed ALL the above on my channel called the Orthocast: www.youtube.com/@Orthocast EVERYONE has a story and another channel that does: www.youtube.com/@JosephSciamra/videos
I 100% agree Orthodox needs to evangelize as MUCH as possible! But there is people from EVERY background becoming Orthodox, I have interviewed many people and there are so many people at every Church that I haven't interviewed yet! they all have a story. Check it out. God bless
@@OrthodoxKyle I will. Thank for pointing this out. I’m in California. I love the liturgy. But at the didache most church members are Doctors or professors and professional white collar workers. I’m grateful for this but me being a former gang member alcoholic and drug user it’s hard to relate. But I’m not giving up I love Christs Church.
@@believer8793Checkout Orthocast Episode 29, 30 and 41 👍 WE talk about similar topics! God bless you!
@@OrthodoxKyle I will definitely check those out
Bro Kyle I love u this made me realize what Catholicism actually is pray that I don't get tired of orthodoxy
As someone who is non binary, my partner and I feel more closely drawn to the catholic church because we can't recite the sparkle creed or breakdance during divine liturgy.
May pope Francis bless you/they/them 🙏🏼😅
Sounds like you just don’t want to face your sins and repent
@@david-468it’s satire
not a gender lol
You're right. Pray that the west can correct its errors
Me whenever something like this drops: heheheh your pope did something questionable so your church is false
Epic and true
The conclusion doesn't follow the premise.
I hope that's a joke lol 😂
Hey Kyle, would you be able to speak on what Western Rite Orthodoxy is? I recently heard about it, but I am very confused on what it is and whether it is acknowledged by Eastern Orthodox churches.
Yes, it is. The Moscow Patriarchate houses a large Western Rite Vicariate, as does Antioch.
14:30 “who am I to judge?” Do some research, that a Latin America Youth Ministry Cross, not an LGBTQ one, pretty low effort
Orthobros when I point out that they developed doctrine too
Like divorce
@TruLuan they don't allow divorce unless there is evidence of unchastity unlike Catholicism which uses legalistic borderline Pharisee activities to justify divorce as "anullment" oh your marriage doesn't count because of this technicality, which makes marriage into something far less sacred and a joke
@@TruLuanoh you mean how Christ said no divorce except when your spouse is unfaithful to you? The orthodox totally developed that. And you really think annulment is any different from divorce spiritually speaking? Is it not a way to get around what Christ said about divorce?
@@Nathan-zw7nq The Orthodox allow divorce for more than adultery. For example they'll allow divorce for Apostasy. The Orthodox also allow contraception in a marriage.
@@TruLuanyea because if your partner isnt following the commands they declared in the marriage, they broke the marriage so nothing changed
I can add that 5:25 is contradicted by Chieti Document 18:
"Reception by the Church as a whole has always been the ultimate criterion for the ecumenicity of a council."
Let him COOK!
I want to point out that the Catholic Answers guy who said that the Orthodox Church didn't evangelize in the New World is factually incorrect. Maybe he's ignorant. Maybe he's lying. I don't know. Aside from all the Orthodox missions and parishes currently present in the New World, there is also very much a history of Orthodox priests coming over to evangelize, such as the Russian Orthodox missions in Alaska, arriving there well before any western Europeans. So, there's that.
Obviously, someone isn’t telling the whole story.
Great video Kyle! Your videos have come a long way and I’m this video you came off extremely calm and collect and logical, good stuff man.
The Filioque has the truth of Scripture? What Heresy! Without the Father, you have No Holy Spirit. Without the Father as the Godhead, you have nothing. At least the Patriarchs are in communion with each other the Papacy isn't.
You should have a debate with Michael Lofton
There no debate possible, cause gay = biggest sin in religion. Catholics seen their religion be like:
god-------jesus
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Bible------------Pope
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Catholics
In reality this look like this
god-------jesus
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Bible------//------Pope
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Orthodoxes Catholics
Please pray for my girlfriend and me. We are in dire need of God's help. 🙏🏻
Thanks to everyone from the bottom of my heart! ♥️
Guys Im converting my Catholig GF thanks for the help Kyle
Catholicism is better. More miracles, better history. Orthodoxy reunited with the Catholics two times because they were afraid of the arabs and they have lost the middle east and Constantinople to the Turks. At least Rome is Catholic
@@DianadeGonzalezthis is an odd argument, "well... we have Better history! and... More Miracles!
@@Xverolit’s true. Look it up for yourself
Orthodoxy could not have produced the reformation. Funny that
the east produced arianism and nostorius
EO is one but ROCOR refuses to give to communion to Greek visitors. Help me understand.
so true
Break in communion, in other words two brothers upset with each other so they stop talking for a bit. It's NOT a schism because a break in communion means they still acknowledge each other as part of the church. Just because one brother stops talking to another doesn't mean he isn't his brother anymore. A schism is when one breaks off from the church, they are no longer a brother. Breaks in communion have always occurred and coincidentally Kyle has a slide in this video showing that Rome had a break in communion with another jurisdiction in the first 1000 years (Bishop Meletios). We also see a break in communion in the Bible between St. Paul and St. Peter. They go back to the usual overtime.
moscow and cons. literally have different ecclesiology that is schism@@florida5236
@@florida5236 Cope
Just a minute into the video and you're already making false implications? Crazy 😂. 1:04 the fact that the council wasn't attended by Rome is true, but this council was only affirmed as ecumenical and valid, when? The Council of Chalcedon, with papal affirmation!
Is this idolatry ?10:51
How easily the Catholic apologists twist the truth and bend reality is one of the main things that turned me away from the RCC.
We need a Kyle vs Trent debate, Orthodox vs Catholic
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Watch the dyer and Trent debate
The Roman Church doesnt back the Catholic Answers guy's claims anymore.
It’s a good day when Kyle uploads ❤
10:24 Peter means rock in Greek, why would Jesus call him “rock” if he wasn’t the rock? Wouldn’t Jesus then just have used Simon instead of Peter? He called him Peter for a purpose (because Peter was the rock) not just because He felt like so.
The word rock in Greek is femminine πέτρα not masculine and the confession which Simon did about Jesus divinity as Son of God is the rock upon which He will build His Church not the person of Simon whom Jesus named Peter making a synonymous parallel to the petra aka the confession...the rock as St. Paul says in his epistle from which all saints drank the water of salvation is Christ Himself and no one else can anyone name as Rock except Jesus Christ
(1 Cor 3,11) For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
When Christ walked on the water during the storm, Peter stepped out of the boat, and he sank like a rock. 😄
Ok not really. But the kids in my Sunday school class liked it.
I always liked the Orthodox Church. I pray one day both churches can reunited into the 1 church of Christ
It would be nice but Rome would have to abandon the idea of St Peter and his successors being the supreme head of the church. First among equals? Yes, but not the 1 guy in charge.
@@andys3035 and the orthodox would have to accept the Rosary and other Catholic practices.
I’m sure it will be a lot of work but I hope it’s possible. Both sides will need to let something go
The Orthodox wouldn't accept the Rosary as it it's based around Purgatory. Honestly, Catholics don't have to give up that much to re-unite. Purgatory is not an essential belief when you look at what's it been used for by the Church historically, and the whole Filioque argument was simply caused by a mistranslation. If these things, (plus Papal supremacy) were rejected in favour of the Orthodox teachings (as St. Peter's has admitted that the Orthodox were right) then I can't see why the two Churches cannot re-unite. I pray for it, but I also believe that the Oriental and Eastern Orthodox Churches will probably re-unite before the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic ones.
@archived2714 I believe an Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox re-unity would be priority, we seem to have less theological differences.
@@andys3035 but wasn’t the Orthodox Church in communion with Rome for the first 1000 years?
I just opened the video and the Pope did what?!
The eastern churches were stuck in their National boundaries? 🤣
You mean the Ottoman Empire? 🤣 You mean they were oppressed? While the Spirit filled West was forcibly taking over the Americas the East was oppressed by the Ottoman Empire which lasted until 1918.
@@glorgis I just think it’s not fair to be expecting vast evangelistic efforts from oppressed people.
@@glorgis What would you like me to say? I don’t get it.
@@glorgisThe argument is meant to respond to the Catholic apologist in this video who said that Catholics evangelised the world.
I think the East definitely had colonial super powers after the schism... 😬
I am a Protestant but I wholeheartedly agree with the Orthodox on this issue. The papacy is a complete joke and it should have never become what it did.
they think your a heretic
@@franknwogu4911 I've never heard a Catholic refer to Protestants as heretics. "Separated Brethren" is what they call them. On the other hand, I've lost count of how many times I've seen Orthodox people call people heretics.
@@notcrazy6288 i am in agreement with you, i said they (as in the "orthodox") think protestants are heretics
@@notcrazy6288 yes. im not protestant but i often have to defend them due to how much hate they get mostly by othobros, off of what i seen. you can even see they way kyle is going about this and not just in this video but some other ones too, its almost like orthodoxy propaganda videos and very pride full,.
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Trullo literally left a blank space for the Pope’s signature so that it could be approbated at a later date.
Watching this as a Catholic makes me angry because the amount of division going on is ridiculous. I don't understand why Catholicism and Orthodoxy can't be one as it once was. At the end of the day I believe they both have problems and both sides can call each other heretical. As yourself being once a Roman Catholic could understand that since there is no papacy and more than that. I do feel sorrow for some of the people who talk down on Orthodoxy but we that on both sides. I know in the first crusade, Pope Urban II headed to the call of the Eastern Romans being abused by the Seljuk Turks and were willing to protect our Christian brothers. I don't get it, I pray is goes back to what it once was but I don't know.
We'd all be doomed to hell if it were up to the ego-fueled disputes that consumed so many of the bishops throughout history.
Because catholics got a single pope when orthodoxes have 12 bishops
Our beliefs are not compatible. The RCC force converted so many Orthodox and took precious relics and such, never returned.
@@orangecobraEUWe have 9 Patriarchs.
@@LadyMaria Yeah I converted to Orthodoxy like 5 months ago lol.
The first patriarchate is Antioch, not Rome.
Orthodox: “we’re based and tradpilled!😡”
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Stalin revived the church because he understood that it would help to repair the societal collapse caused by the Communist revolution 👉 Article: “Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union” - Wikipedia
When will Catholics understand that Orthodox Ecclesiology isn't top down? The actions of one, or a few, or even a majority, is not binding on the Church. History can attest to this fact during the Arian crisis, the nestorian crisis, etc etc.
It's funny how Catholics have to point away and try to say "oh look there's problems here too!" When that isn't the argument nor do we claim there to be no problems.
But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops qf the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition”
St. Irenaeus against heresies.
As a Catholic I always wonder if the Filioque was such a huge problem then how come the Church was still unified with both East and West when Catholics unanimously used the Filioque since the 600s or before? That would be at minimum of 454 years before the the Great Schism.
I believe it was the source of controversy well before the schism and not simply universally accepted in the west. Also the average person in the east had no idea what was going on the west. Most Christians weren't even aware of an east/west schism for hundreds of years after
Because until Florence there was an Orthodox way the Filioque could be interpreted. At Florence St. Maximus' definition was rejected. Rome dogmatized a heretical formulation at Florence.
more bishops approved florence then at most council the EO accepted@@dustinneely
@@uchennanwogu2142 who cares? The only criteria for the RCC is the Pope. That's not how the East does things.
@@dustinneely they did though for a millennium
3:56 there are various orthodox churches. And they do not agree on everything.
I have woken up from when I first saw this video so I suppose I will cover the various tidbits I found interesting:
Muh heckin 4th Crusade!! Innocent Greeks only massacred the Latins sparing not the men, women or children truly innocent and devoid of any guilt! Both the church when it happened and recently have condemned it was a series of unfortunate events perpetrated by Greek and Venetian deceit and ambition with the massacre of the Latins being the backdrop to it.
Council of Florence - There was bad play on both sides because of egos and who fills which pockets but the result was the schism ending (mostly Russia being one who rejected it). Only to be reopened by Orthodox priests joining forces with the Muslims in fact joining with them so much the Ottomans picked only the most faithful messengers of Allah to become the Patriarchs of Constantinople for the next 400 years.
"Orthodoxy was spread with peace and love" Ah yes the peaceful and wholesome attempted russification / force conversion of all the polish and Lithuanians during the Russian Empire how could I forget?
"Catholicism being a form of Protestantism" Mentally unwell
I can’t believe any Byzantine Catholics are still defending Rome. It’s honestly shocking how willfully blind we can be
@@Orthodoxologyyou have atleast 2 churches in ukraine, which one is true?
@@uchennanwogu2142Claiming to be "Orthodox" does not make you apart of Eastern Orthodox Church. That is a silly argument grounded in lack of research and consensus
@@Orthodoxology I just prefer to stay true to the council of Florence and the will of the last Roman emperor
@@oogaleeboogalee6522 ok which one is true, the moscow backed church or the instanbul backdd church
As someone who’s raised Roman Catholic, it wasn’t until learning history of the Romans did it become clear. After the west fell Rome still ruled from Constantinople, they called themselves Roman until their last day. It seemed to me as a political move by the Pope to reclaim the title of “Roman”when the East was weakened due to invasions
your way of editing is so edgy and frustrating. maybe my mind isn't messed up that much with TikTok and other modern BS to comprehend it, I'm sorry.
yea ngl, i don't really like it its kinda annoying and makes hm seem less "trust worthy". but dont but rude
OrthoApple was cookin
That's rich coming from an "orthodox" I guess you guys belive you are one church somehow somebody tell me which is the true "orthodox" church is it church of Russia? Maybe Constantinople?
@Orthodoxprince4ever I mean particularly in their schisms most famously between Moscow and the Greek church e.g. since in their belief all bishops are equal in authority they judge each other on ecclesial law even though neither of them have the say on whos right or wrong without of course the supreme authority of the See of Rome
@Orthodoxprince4ever By Greek church I meant the Orthodox church at Constantinople sorry I thought they were synonymous
@Orthodoxprince4ever But their belief in equal bishops doesn't really make sense since historically the authority of Constantinople created the patriarchate of Moscow and moscow then being the most influential for centuries because Constantinople being dominated by the muslims but it is impossible to create essentially an "equal" patriarchate without the one creating it being superior just like how bishops cannot ordain bishops but only his superior which is an archbishop
Maybe you ask yourself how cant catholic after 1054 light the holy fire at jerusalem
Hey Kyle, could you talk about I Miss Christendom's video Why the Orthodox are in Schism? He's a great source of info on Traditional Catholicism.
“An historical FACT” A historical fact, not an, a precedes consonant starting words, an starts vowel starting words. That’s why when you try to do anything but this it sounds awkward.
First of all, which Catholic Church are we talking about? The one in Rome or the one in Avignon? They both had legitimate popes which excommunicated each other. So, the Catholic Church doesn’t even exist if you go by this very well documented historical fact….🤷🏻♂️
Orthodoxy is present in India from the Apostle St-Thomas
St Thomas Christians are not apart of the Eastern Orthodox Church. Rather, they are various Oriental churches, some independent, some apart of Oriental or Assyrian patriarchates, some protestant, some Catholic, that use Syriac liturgy and trace their lineage to Saint Thomas.
Serb King Simon was baptized Catholic latin first then his son Sava convinced him to be rebaptized into Greek Orthodox 😮
Wrong
rc each times the pope says anything 😂😂😂
it is clear the orthodox are separated from rome and Peter, but theyre just outside the door
ok, if one leaves his group of five friends, did the other four leave?
We tossed heretical Rome almost 1000 years ago and as for the St. Peter... he founded Patriarchate of Antioch prior to finding Roman church. OUCH!
@@johnnyd2383 we shouldn’t be proud, we should pity and pray for them.
@@Kauahdhdhd Oh I love so much my brethren smart Orthodox arses...
@@johnnyd2383 sorry I wasn’t trying to pity signal. I was just trying to say it’s a waste of time.
Unrelated, but I relapsed today. I just want to ask whoever is reading this to pray for me to do better next time or completely beat this sin for good. Also, if you have any tips that were not on His video about porn please tell them to me. I feel so ashamed for committing this sin, and I don't know how I can get myself to stop it for good
Talk to your priest. He’s there to help.
Idle hands and idle mind, devils playground.
Pray to St. Benedict and say His prayer.
I was Orthodox but I converted to the Catholic faith.
Hail Eternal Rome.❤
#Endreligion
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@@GAF2234obsessed much
The CA guy can't say say schism right for the life of him 😭
I don't understand this guy Kyle. Why is it always "my position Vs another position" and never "I disagree with this other position, here's a response"? I'm not saying he never brings up good arguments, or that every Orthodox is like him, but he gives off very annoying vibes.
And this is why I hate the word "debunking" in philosophy: using it sounds like "my response is 100% flawless, it destroys your argument and only makes me right; you can't argue or defend yourself any further".
We Catholics don't call you heretics, we virtually agree on the vast majority of doctrines, and even protestants are technically our brothers, so why does it need to be "trad vs liberal heretic"?
him and dyer act like protestants
We don't 'virtually agree on the vast majority of doctrines.' The Latin Christ is not the Orthodox Christ, the Orthodox Trinity is not the Latin Trinity. The truth is is that a single, seemingly minor departure from traditional Triadology, that obliterated the monarchia of the Father, and all the resulting insanity only piled up from there.
Once you get past the surface-level externals of the faith, and dig into the meat of our respective confessions, the amount of differences are truly overwhelming.
We do not believe that there was death before the Fall, while Aquinas believes this to be the case.
You believe in the Augustinian doctrine of inherited guilt, while we do not.
You believe in the Immaculate conception (which resulted from the above-mentioned doctrine) while we do not.
You believe in Purgatory, while we do not.
You believe that Muslims and Hindus and Jews worship the same God as the Christians, while we do not.
Your Catherine of Siena wrote that even if the Pope were Satan incarnate, we should still bow down to him; we do not believe this of any of our patriarchs.
You believe that grace is a created effect, an accident, we believe that it is the uncreated energies of God.
The Latin church for centuries after the schism believed that all who didn't bow to the Roman see were damned, before suddenly reversing this, saying that we have valid sacraments, and the current Pope said that it is heresy to proselytize to us.
There are such a vast number of differences that I could not possibly hope to elucidate all of them in a single comment. I don't want to sound mean or nasty when saying this, but it is not loving to brush off the enormous gap between our two respective religions. That would be a betrayal of what it truly means to be Christian. It would be a betrayal of the brave sufferings and witnessing of untold numbers of saints and hierarchs.
If we are to actually dialogue, and not simply make a veiled attempt at ecumenistic molding together of two vastly different faiths, it is to be done respectfully but with an enormous degree of uneasy caution.
@@OrthodoxInquiry I appreciate the response, but I don't get how this contradicts what I've said. I am first and foremost not an advocate for absolute conciliarism (??), I was just saying that treating debates and responses as "attacks" to other ideologies is pretty pathetic. Am I a materialist? No, I have arguments against materialism, but I cannot say that my arguments "debunk" materialism, because that sounds like "case closed, no one will ever believe in materialism anymore" (of course there's actually dangerous ideologies, but in this case they don't matter that much).
I don't think reducing the great Catholic-Orthodox schism to only the Filioque is all that correct... I think the Papacy was the bigger issue, but I don't really know. What matters is that there are 3 big disagreements: the Papacy, the Filioque (Palamism) and Purgatory.
Yes, we of course have minor differences, like the fact that in the Novus Ordo you can take the Holy Eucharist in your hands, or that there's a specific moment in which the bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ in Catholicism, while there's no exact moment in Orthodoxy (this could be wrong, I'm recalling this from memory); very minor disagreements.
As for philosophy, I think the Catholic Church can tell you where *not* to go, rather than where to go. For example, you can be Catholic while not being a Thomist or even a Scholastic, but you can't simply believe in anything (like polytheism); this is why Thomas Aquinas's writings are not in official Catholic theology or something.
@@OrthodoxInquiryWe do not believe othet religions worship the same God. That is heretical.
dude, Im saying this to enlighten you, but this obsession of Catholic vs Orthodox is unhealthy, what matter is the Faith most importantly, you are quite delusional if you think that there are no bad politics and unethical practices that happen with Orthodox Bishops, humans are always prone to bad, understand that and stop with this idiotic stance
On one hand, you have points. On the other: the Catholic Church is a heretical apostate church that claims to be the One True Church. That’s not something you just let be. As shown by the fact that Orthodoxy hasn’t done so…ever.
2:15 (around there)
Its a little funny how the protestant pastor's first thought about the state of the Post Schism Latin church is that he should not be Catholic, and not that he should become Orthodox.
What we should say to Catholics is “Sure, Catholics evangelized the world…but, unlike the Orthodox, the world evangelized YOU!” Then share that Pope Benedict quote about the Eastern Orthodox faith remaining unchanged to a fault.
quote the quote then
Hesychasm is apostolic in origin?
@@floridaman318 Yes. In its essence. Just because something isn't fully spelled out in the first century doesn't mean that something explained in greater depth was never true. For example, there was no universally accepted New Testament canon of Scripture for centuries - but eventually there was. The decision to put those books together and call them Scripture didn't change the prior teaching...it clarified it and codified it.
Same for theology like the Trinity - the essence of the teaching was ubiquitous to the Church, but it wasn't fully articulated until the first two councils. Hesychasm in its essence can be traced back to the monastics of the first 300 years. It became a more widely understood and universally accepted practice once Christianity was legalized and monastic titans like St. Anthony the Great began to write more extensively about contemplative prayer and spiritual warfare. Then the Jesus Prayer emerged out of that and centuries later the Philokalia was compiled.
In Orthodoxy, there is no "doctrinal development" - as with Roman Catholicism. There is only the consistent teaching of the Orthodox Church to which God provides clarity to His Church over time. He "wipes the lens" as it were to reveal more clearly what was always there.
Real ☦️
Submit to Rome Kyle.
So you mean to submit to satan
The pacing of this video was really good. Not too fast but kept things engaging. Good stuff as usual Kyle 👌
I respect the Orthodox Church a lot but I just think the Catholic Church has superior theology, ie the filioque, logically speaking the Trinity makes more sense that way
On the contrary Filioque makes the three persons of the Trinity unequal because although Father and Son can originate another person aka the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit Itself can originate none.. So it's a priori heretical and destructive of the Trinity
@@evans3922I mean I can say that about the non filioque
@@sharkgaming4320 how so? Father is the only source in the Trinity... Adding the Son destructs the Holy Trinity by making the two persons superior to the Holy Spirit...
@@evans3922 if the Father is the only source of the Trinity, doesn’t that drift into Subordinatism Heresy?
@@Valor708 not at all because this must not be seen in a rationalistic way which is the wrong way of Western Theology but through the experiential theology of the saints in Orthodoxy.All three Persons coexist eternally and simultaneously out of time and there is no time when Son or Holy Spirit didn't exist, but the Begotenness of the Son and the Procession of the Holy Spirit both from the Father only are different ways of eternal existence. Each Person has ONLY one idiom or characteristic which no other of the three Persons has and thus is the definition of the Hypostasis.
Father's exclusive characteristic is the Unbegoteness, Son's exclusive characteristic is the eternal Begoteness(from the Father) and Holy Spirit's exclusive characteristic is the eternal Procession (from the Father)alone.. Father is neither Begotten nor Processed but Unbegoten,Son is not Unbegoten nor Processed but Begotten and Holy Spirit is neither Unbegoten nor Begoten but Processed.What exactly is the difference between Begotenness and Procession is not for us to explain... This is the mystery of the Holy Trinity and it is only reavealed to us by God's revelation through His true Church aka the Orthodox one... We can not explain or contemplate in a manner of rationalism. This is the Orthodox Faith that saves us.
🏆🏅🎖Great video, and nice to see you clean shaven and looking dapper!
As a Catholic, I love our pope.
😅😅😅
As an Orthodox, I love him too, because he is bringing so many people to Orthodoxy ☦️☦️☦️
@@ThomasG_Nikolaj Is not him who is bringing people to the orthodox church, the misconceptions about him are.
Also, the biblical definition of love:
1 Corinthians 13:4-7:
"Love is patient and kind; love is not jealous or boastful; it is not arrogant or rude. Love does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrong, but rejoices in the right. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things."
Matthew 22:37-39:
"And he said to him, 'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"
John 13:34-35:
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."
Why don’t you respond to Bobbys Video debunking your claims on Islam ?
he made 2 vids on bobby
So why no Eastern Orthodox ecumenical councils then?
There are many.
The EOC only recognises the 7 pre-schism ones. @@CzarLazar1389
The EOCs have had no ecumenical councils since the schism. @@glorgis
Because you need the Emperor for an ecumenical council and there are no more Emperors. We also have many pan-Orthodox councils that are just as binding,
@@bigred5287. We recognize more than 7
"Simon, thou art Peter, and on an unrelated note, upon this rock I will build my Church"