We hear from the racer who tried to claim Haiden Deegan’s Bike at Loretta Lynns
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If I was the CEO of any other factory team I would invite this kid over for a weekend and let him ride all the factory bikes. Let him bring the gopro and he can even put the video up on TH-cam. Imagine the good publicity you would get from that. The kid has serious balls by trying to claim deegans bike and he didnt even do anything wrong.
That’s why your not a ceo
@@murda2k😂💀👹
bike prob had 350 big bore in it lol
That’s why it needed the oil change ah did I say oil change I mint motor swap bright and early lol
He failed. He was strongarmed into dropping the claim out of fear of losing sponsors. At what point does the law have to get involved? Some dude spent 3 days in county jail and was fined 12,000$ for putting lead weights in his fish during a derby. Hayden was NOT cheating. His entire team WAS cheating when they protested the claim rule and continued to ride the bike. What the fuck are rules even for?
Very impressed with this kid for being 17. Very composed, well spoken. If people are mad, get mad at the AMA for the rule, not a kid that is simply smarter than the rest of them for knowing the rules.
Yup, he should have went through with it...but 17 he chickened out I would have told the dealer "guess what I don't ride for you now"...LOL Take up trail riding, take up Enduro's...a rule is a rule.
Well spoken my ass all accusations
He is not smart enough to know what theft is. There are lots of rules that are immoral, and that is one of them.
You do not become moral by following immoral rules.
@@EarthSurferUSA Rules are Rules nobody's fault but theirs bummer know the rules tough shit
@@EarthSurferUSA How is the rule immoral? the rule is literally in place to ensure the morally fair playing field for all amateurs at an amateur event. It's in place (as discussed in the video) to dissuade teams from running bikes that are unobtainable or prohibitably expensive bikes at an amateur level.
If yamaha had built the bike with the rules in mind (as other teams do), they would not risk the potential loss of 10's of thousands of dollars and could simply take the money and build another bike.
The fact that they acted so scared and paranoid made it so obvious what was going on.
I am a firm believer the "best" riders are not the best, but just have the hottest bikes.
@@hikotai1925 mabey in the amatures like lorettas or shi even local track events but when it comes to factory riders i that is definetly not the case
And the exact thing the claiming rule is intended to prevent.
@@hikotai1925why don’t all the star guys win then?
@@Milkywayboy because technology progresses.
It's a battle of the bikes.
It's my opinion that Yamaha was wetting their pants because they had works factory parts in that bike. They admitted it when they told Brennan he couldn't get parts for it. This rule was drawn up to stop factories from doing this very thing. Great channel Tyler.
@soldierofliberty he bought this one lol and didn't have to turn a wrench once
@soldierofliberty that is the whole point. He CAN'T get a bike of that quality because it has factory parts in it.
I am so confused. Who WOULDNT want to own a completely FACTORY Star racing Yamaha bike for a measly $17k? I’m guessing most people commenting don’t ride. I would easily pay that for one of their bikes and tear it down just to look at all the little things they have done to it
Yea Fosho, but these guys usually don't have 17k on a whim, if I could I would 100% they are pretty different than show room bikes and would be insane to just ride as is
And then their hours of testing and setups are useless. Im sure everybody would want one! But it aint fair. A friend of my brother in law bought 2 of tucker hibberts backup race sleds from arctic cat and neither one had engine work but were faster than my brother in laws, same year, same sled. Its the cdi! They wont tell him what they did either. Its just fast as hell and if the cdi zaps for some reason they will send him a new one but not the race one. With cat if you want your stock cdi tweaked you have to send it to them as far as i know but you wont get the full race cdi. Factorys protect that shit for a reason! Thats their edge and thats fair
Id love to ride one, but i also dont have 17k for one lol
@@lorenzoreyes9784 You ever see the motorhomes lol I think lots of people have 17k on a whim
its only worth it if you race at a professional level and you have sponsors to pay for it
Yep a 17 year old kid is smarter than the whole Deegan family. I don't think this surprises anyone.
Yeah BUT the 17 year old graduated High School - This isn't a fair fight.
this guy needs everyones support. This rule helps keep the spirit and fairness of the sport alive.
The spirit of the role is that a competitor that gets beat and thinks the guy has been cheating can claimn the motorcycle. This kid said that Hayden could beat him on any bike and he just wanted his motorcycle.
@@jerrytobin88 So what if he did. Its in the rules. It was the kids option to buy the bike.
@@jerrytobin88 no, the rule is you can claim a cheater bike, which he did.
The point is keep cost down and a relatively even field. This would have been great for the sport as factory teams would have to think twice the next time they race amateur races which is the point of the rule.
This guy is a rat and loved he’s was just trying to leach if your parents are poor blame them don’t go after someone else because your life sucks….. the narrative of trying to catch a cheater is bs
I am a lifelong Yamaha rider and after this ordeal I have lost a lot of respect for the company. Brennan followed the rules and for Yamaha to threaten him is insane. Deegan was riding a factory bike which shouldn't have happened and he was busted. The bike should be in Canada right now but they put the pressure on him and he had to withdraw the deal. Now I learned that Brennan lost his sponsorship which is completely unfair. Yamaha threatened his sponsor. This whole deal is crazy and unfair.
Yeah, it’s definitely a bad look for Yamaha. I’d be lying if I were to say that this won’t influence my purchasing decisions going forward. What a shame…
All the factory teams do the same thing, not just Yamaha.
The way you went about it in general was shitty…serves you right. Just bc you can talk calmly in situations doesn’t make you entitled to get what you want when it’s basically highway robbery. Cry about it this year, get over it. Then figure it out…..your not ENTITLED just bc your young & you want it! Stay steady and you’ll have your dreams in a few years. Dueshbag….
KTM Baby! Lets go!
You can ride a factory bike in Loretta's the rule is simply in place to kind of sway people from putting tens of thousands of dollars in to a bike that someone else could potentially take but other than that there was definitely no cheating involved I don't agree with how it went down but anyone who says because he was riding a factory bike he cheated is crazy
Their actions about this guy claiming the bike clearly shows that the bike was not a legal bike. I think I would hire an attorney and take every one of the people involved from the team, Yamaha, and the sponsor to court. They was threatening to ruin this kids career plus his sponsors business. This should not be allowed to happen.
Yeah trouble is that kid and his family can't afford to fight a corporation,and the dealer probably has his whole life mortgaged into that dealership,at least it's out there.
@@darrylmarbut47 When you think about it though, when a door closes, another opens. Why should a dealer keep selling bikes for a company that doesn’t value and appreciate their dealers? Red looks better on a bike anyway… just sayin.
@@jackjohnson291 can attest, I’m a fabricator Yamaha used to be the best of the best. Educated hillbilly Americans who eat sleeped small engines.
Yamaha went off the deep end when they started designing car engines, and doing partnerships for I believe don’t quote me, Subaru/Lexus which these engine designs were used in helicopters.
I’ve been out of the racing scene for almost a decade, but times and people change. Honda/Suzuki/husqvarna
Are doing a way better job at providing the working class man reliable bikes.
I was ride or die Honda/Yamaha but finding my garage with more team red/yellow/green.
Just sold a Kawasaki Frankenstein made me regret never giving Kawasaki a chance all those years ago.
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ABSOLUTELY should take them ALL to court !! First off TIM COTTER and the DEEGANS should be taken to court.
If this is true it's a big deal. Claiming is a common rule in motorsports, and it's there for a good reason. AMA should be investigating this.
Too big to Fail case, Too bad the kids sponsor was a yamaha dealer , any other Brand, looks like the kid would have had the star Yamaha.
Thats what it came down to , which was actually brilliant move my Yamaha, to figure all that out within a few hours.
Imagine that Yamaha dealer, he got all that Heat Poured down on Him Quickly
@@brianricoh3242 not much odds, they suck anyways. I know who they are. They’re not just a Yamaha dealership, honestly wouldn’t even call them that. Rallaye Motoplex, Moncton New Brunswick.
Claiming is not common at Loretta's at all. It's only happened a few times in 30 years. Mike Alessi and Ricky Carmichael I know for sure. It's used as a competitive weapon, because everyone knows it's a B/S rule. Do it and dont ever show up at a track again type move. Not for youtube and joy rides.
He’s not using it for the reason the rule was made for he just wants to profit off of the deegan name
Where there’s smoke there’s fire. AMA needs to investigate it. This is downright disgusting.
Rules are rules
your lost.
Haha ama helped this happen... wtf?
I can’t believe the ama actually let this kid be threatened into giving up on the claim
AMA is OWNED by the factories behind closed doors :(
The whole point of the rule is to keep the machinery relatively equal and magnify the rider talent. If Star racing wants to give Deegan an unfair advantage by giving him a factory bike, then they need to suffer the consequences. I wish Brennan would have went through with the purchase.
Agreed 💯
If it was that bad they could easily make a different rule. Bs rule racing for pink slips under certain rules
What would you do with the bike. You will not step up, bike would be gone just as fast as you got
He was racing in a mod class
He didn't need a full factory bike, throw his forks and shock on a stock bike and he'd still win... After the Pro race when the track was at its worst, he threw down a laptime nearly 2 seconds faster than the fastest guy in the pro class. He didn't need it, it was dumb to bring it knowing that rule... with that said, they arent the only ones. Honda and Team Green are running Unobtainium parts too. Alessi got one claimed years ago, it had factory parts
The claim rule is good and serves a purpose but this situation shows that it definitely needs to be amended. For example, anybody making a claim should be free to remain anonymous if they choose. There should be no outside interference allowed to happen. You make the claim, lay down the cash, the bike gets tagged/impounded/etc, then the claimant should be free to pick the bike up at a reasonable location and in a manner that helps prevent all of the outside interests from playing their games.
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They’re claiming the bike for fame and trying to just get the bike it wasn’t about trying to catch a cheater the narrative is bs
@@crazyman2821 of course the cheating thing was crap. Doesn't matter. The claim rule exists to try to prevent people from dumping tons of money into bikes and using unobtanium parts. That can all be legal, but you risk losing all of the money and custom parts if somebody puts up the cash to claim it. His reasoning doesn't matter. When you sign up, you agree to forfeit you bike by way of the claim rule if somebody wants to go that route. People have claimed plenty of bikes solely because of their value. If we all agree to run 10,000 bikes and you show up with a 50,000 bike, why wouldnt somebody claim yours? Cheating isn't the issue and was only ever mentioned by people who weren't part of the situation and who have no idea what they're talking about. The kid should've followed thru with the claim. Its extremely likely that Lorettas was as far as he'd ever go anyway so there's no need to worry about burning bridges in the industry. Get the bike, ride it, tear it down, make videos about everything, gain the following and the earnings, and have a cool bike to ride and race for a while.
@@crazyman2821dont matter why
AMA should be the custodian.
This kid is way ahead of the game if he can make $17K turning wrenches in his spare time.
What i was thinking lol
They need a rule that says anyone trying to intimidate someone out of a rule like the claim rule is instantly disqualified.
Funny likes on this comment at 38 so I won't ruin it
You ever been racing dude...... I'm guessing not....the racetrack is full of hot chicks tempers fights testosterone so .... disqualified for intimidation is the saddest s#$& I ever heard🤣
@@dagodigs You are a prime example of why society is going in the toilet.
@@LClarke haha yea I'm sure bud 🤣🤣🤣 your prob the best example ..because I'm an American made of blood sweat an tears blistered palms farm raised and clearing 6 figures working blue collar as a excavator and pouring concrete.... Your a weak sad person prob has women hormones gonna change your name to Michelle🤠🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't care about a immoral rule. You try to take my property,---and you will have a big problem with me---personally.
Tim cotter and Brian should have never had that kid in a room himself making him feel bad for doing what he was doing, Yamaha U.S. should have never threatened the Canadian local shop, and Star shouldn’t have sent a pro spec factory bike to an amateur race period. Everyone in this list should be ashamed of themselves. Hayden and Schofield just want to ride, the adults here acted freaking despicably. I ride Yamaha and support the team through Merch. And buying bikes etc, and this is disgusting.
He is in a world published interview with an adult by himself in this video?? That whole narrative is rubbish. He is playing victim. He could have easily asked for his dad to be there... I mean his dad should have been with him in the first place. Kids walking around with 17k cash, member he said "they counted the money". Where was his dad when that happened?? This whole me by myself with adults story i don't buy it. If you are a minor and you are claiming the best amateurs riders bike, your parents or dad is gonna be there. This kid is twisting this whole thing to look like a victim when he made an immature decision that HEAVILY backfired, how he didnt see it coming i dont know, and is now playing victim. He rides yamaha and caused trouble with a factory yamaha team. Thats like taking a dump on your own doorstep and being angry that it smells.
It’s in the rule book to keep people from cheating and running pro motors against some kids who can’t afford the same technology
I understand fully, why Yamaha, Brian and that old guy acted the way they did. It’s a damn near if not fully factory bike that is heavily safeguarded from public knowledge. But, regardless, the fact that he was targeted, because of his claim is absolute garbage. The threats and the scare tactics that Yamaha imposed are also garbage. Don’t bring secret motors and technology to a race, that you’re not willing to have the public find out about. This isn’t the pro’s.
@@doobiesnizax then put in a protest if you think it was factory. It’s cheaper to do that. They didn’t do that cause that wasn’t the agenda.
@@DaveLad 😂😂 he’s not in the same room behind closed doors. Not even close to being the same.
If this went down like Brandon says there needs to be an investigation. Can't have people being threatened if it's in the rules you can claim a bike.
Brennan* learn to read.
The mechanics didn’t want to sell the bike, they put in hours and hours on that bike. It’s their call if they don’t want to get rid of it.
@@allannelson10 no it’s not😂 the rule says give up the bike or be suspended from racing for a year in AM… they used there power to get around the rules
@@Suckitupbuttercup407 do you know how many top riders have had their bikes claimed and they didn’t give them up? Stop acting like everybody follows this rule, people just want to tarnish deegans name bc he’s that good that they have to throw anything their way.
@@allannelson10 name one person who put a claim and didn’t get the bike. Has nothing to do with the Degan name. The name is set In stone in the race world and has been before Haden was even born
the claim rule is specifically in place for this situation. It should stop armatures from running pro gear. The "It took us too long and too much money" is exactly why the claim rule is there.
Deegan just got way more shifty in everyone's eyes by the sounds of what went down ,rules are rules and ama just broke them for a secret handshake
The fact the Deegan’s immediately went into defense mode …… they knew EXACTLY what was in that bike.
Frankly, my impression of the Deegans just went down the toilet.
@@marvelaturraz5405 they’ve been pieces of shit since jumpstreet.
It's racing. If you aren't cheating you aren't trying.
Seems to me the kid should have never been approached by anybody other than AMA officials if the rules were followed. This event shows the integrity from everyone from the Deegans to the AMA. I can foresee legal implications from this deal, and there should be. If Yamaha, Brian Deegan, Star, and everybody involved wants to make this right this kid should be on the same spec bike that he claimed with zero hours. Don't bring 50k engines to a damn Amateur event then threaten a 17 year old kid.
It all stinks to high hell....
@@craigchase5381 it does. The sad part is it tarnishes Haidens reputation and the kid rips. He's going to be known as the kid who had to cheat to win, and he doesn't. Breenans rep is also tarnished and all the kid did was follow the rules.
I see no issue with them bringing 100k bikes to race. They just need to let the rest of the field buy after them up after each race without complaining. If that's the level of bike they want to race in Mod, they can built one for everyone at 17k a pop
@@garettodd3037 Why In the hell does haiden need a pro mod factory bike for a amateur race ? I can’t put a turbo on a nascar and go race next to Kyle bush on the track without getting kicked off. You aren’t lining up a 300whp Honda next to a 1500whp pro mod at the drag strip. Makes no sense
@@tylerc2287 he doesn't need one, but it sounds like he is using one anyways. If I was running 13s competively with a bunch of civics $10,000 and a 7 second car came through and mopped up the competition with semi built civic price tag on it, I guess I'd buy myself a 7 second car that day.
Yamaha handled this Poorly, there are lots of things they could have offered that would have made them look like they're not bad guys. Threatening a dealership's franchise is not cool.
So instead they threaten another dealership. That's a real good exple to show the kids! Good Job Yamaha!
I was tossed up between a YZ250X and a KTM 300excw and the electric start is the only thing creating seperation...and im 100% not suporting yamaha with greasy moves like that lol. One day I will have a banshee in my collection but thats it.
Yamaha lacks honor. Ancestors are ashamed of them
Pretty obvious that they didn’t want their “wallaye” cut open in front of everyone to see that they’ve been cheating. You should’ve taken the bike regardless of the bullying, just to throw it in their face.
I work at a ktm dealer, and I see firsthand how much the support of a dealership helps amateur riders. He said Yamaha threatened to take bikes from his main sponsor, and finding another dealer to support them isn't an easy feat. He pretty much had no choice but to back down.
@@jamjamjovi that’s legally called blackmail
Yamaha should see huge reprimands. That’s very ballsy to blackmail a dealership over that.
The difference between a factory works bike and a stock bike is the following.
stock 80cc races a 78cc engine while factory races a 99cc engine
stock 125 races a 123cc engine while factory races a 144cc engine
stock 250 races a 248cc engine while factory races a 269cc engine
All I can say is that if the AMA have such a rule they should help the people trying to follow it. knowing full well it's going to cause a shit fight. Maybe penalize factory teams/owners for any push back or intimidation.
They do!!!! Everyone knows that rule.
yeah the penalty is banned from racing for a year but Haiden and star at Unadilla sooo I'm not sure what's going. because they definitely did not give him the bike they are still racing
These bikes come from the factories with a very ridiculous amount of technology for the money. The ruLes are created from above and it is my understanding that we the peoples are entitLed entireLy within the constitution of our united states of america to foLLow , obey.
lol no the rule should be revamped. You dont try to claim someones bike that is 100% worth way more then 2x msrp lmao
@@jennifersprague8585 rules been there before you were born and it’ll never change casual fan response
If AMA has any balls at all they need to make this right and there needs to be big consequences.
Deegan did nothing wrong? What are they going to do😂
They won’t . That’s there lively hood if they piss em off . The teams really are the ones that run motocross and super cross . Sad but true . And I don’t see it ever changing .
AMA are human trash. They don't ever do the right thing.
I mean in the end the kid made the decision to not buy it. He realized that the repercussions were way more severe than the bike was worth. Truthfully that’s what Matt walker was telling him by saying it’s an unwritten rule. You know if you do that to a team there’s gonna be repercussions. Yamaha could have just said nope your not taking it and loaded it up and took it back to the shop. Maiden would have had to deal with the consequences. So Yamaha just turned around and said ok you can buy this bike, but this will be your consequences. Everybody saying it’s a rule they should have let him take it are so out of touch with the big picture. It’s like people who walk out in cross walks in front of trucks because they have the right to cross and the truck has to stop. The amount of r&d work into those bikes is years and years. That r&d goes into the production bikes over the next few years. If you think Yamaha was just gonna say yeah sure here take the bike, let’s us get you a little care package of extra parts I’m surprised you can even read or spell to be able to comment.
@@chadsanner792 you literally just explained why that rule is in place, lol. The rule is there so factories don’t send their too secret stuff to an amateur race and keeps the playing field somewhat level. If they want to risk it and use their factory parts, then they’ve signed up for a chance that someone can go and claim that bike fair and square. The rule has been there for forever. Maybe it needs to be revamped, but the kid did nothing wrong and it sounds like he was feared into not going through with the claim. The Deegan’s really shouldn’t have been involved with this anyways because it’s not their bike. They have nothing invested into it. It’s the teams bike and they chose to run the bike they did and they got called on it. To punish a kid for not following an “unwritten” rule, and following the actual sanctioned rule by the governing body of our sport, just further drags on the the appearance that this sport will never be as big as it should be. It’s crazy to think that with LL just happening and everything going on in the pro championships, this is the biggest news that everyone is focused on right now
Respect Brennan! I support this kid. Sponsorship this kid will get more.
This will be the most memorable story of the entire 22 season.
Let's see how many folks CLAIM in 23 now that everyone knows about the rule.
This is a crazy story. Wow. They were definitely scared about what a tear down would reveal.
It’s like nascar. They are all cheating in the grey areas
doubt that
In the cycling world we call it "mechanical doping". Whoever talked with the young man without a parent or legal guardian present should be held legally liable, fined and penalized, and the AMA office staff should be reprimanded. Right or wrong, he's a minor. In Norcal you can't go past the high schools front desk without a security officer escort. Can you say "coercion"?
nah, he was an adult going to claim that bike, end of story. stop making excuses for someone who knew what he was doing
@@tilled6695 he was 17 bud and its in the rules hop off Deegan's lap for a minute and realize they're racing amateur against 8-9k bikes with their factory 30k or more bike its their fault for not reading the rule had they known about it or had the rule bin made known to everyone before the event I guarantee Deegan's wouldn't have ran with that motor or even the bike itself because they don't want some random people getting their 30k pro level bike with whatever racing secrets they have crammed into it its like boxing with weighted gloves but but if you buy the gloves you can use them in your next fight they don't want people getting the same advantages they have in an AMATEUR race and instead of trying to work it out or explaining themselves they got super shady and tried to blackmail a 17 year old kid by contacting his sponsor SAME DAY and because of their name and the power behind it they bent the rules for them but THATS OK RIGHT? personally I'm a Deegan fan I've watched his fathers races I watched Haiden grow up into a powerhouse in the sport but this really is scummy and makes them look bad even if it is frowned upon to claim a bike that's not the way you handle it reminds me of a police interrogation and the worst part is they didn't work with AMA much if at all which in itself is ridiculous because when the bike got claimed they signed up for that possibility when they signed up to race shouldn't have even become an issue just come by their pit check the bike mark it do whatever then impound it and its the kids the next day next time read the rules when you enter a race harsh but got to learn somehow daddy and fame cant get you out of every mistake you make respectfully
@@ReeferRob115 Why wasnt a tech inspection requested?? Because it was never about the motor. It was all about a kid trying to snatch a popular bike.
They were cheating. 100%
It’s not cheating you just run the chance of someone buying a $100k bike for $17k.
If its a factory bike wouldnt it not have a normal vin and there for wouldnt it not have an msrp to double?
Yes. Bikes brand new, youre worried about metal shavings. Thats only an issue if you suck at building motors. If you built the motor for a deegan, its a built motor.
@@kodylaird9342 the claim rule is twice msrp available model year bike.
It was a mod race. It wasn't cheating
Totally legal.
Those with nothing to hide dont act this way. The great part is this young man learned the truth about the world at a young age
I wonder if Brian Deegan realizes he is becoming everything he has fought against with Metal Melisha all these years. : (
from what I see BRIAN knows the industry back to front and he was also in a shit position
he's a survivor in a media world and its pretty fickle
even MONSTER ENERGY that runs the show would be pissed
the kid should have asked before hand before LORRETTAS if it was only about riding the bike
@@Simon-Simon-Simon "the kid should have asked before hand before LORRETTAS if it was only about riding the bike"
That isn't how Claiming Rule works.
@@Simon-Simon-Simon You don't ask someone if you can Claim their bike....lol! The Rule is there to do exactly what the kid did. Unfortunately, AMA, Yamaha and Brian D did not play by the Rule/s.
MM was Linkogle's baby. Brian came along like a wolf in sheep's clothing. Pastrana called Deegan a "poser" for this reason. Yes Brian gave freestyle everything he had, but he wasn't the outlaw that he portrayed.
@@billyjackson5664 Yep Brian basically stole it from Larry. I honestly don’t know how anyone can be a fan of his, he’s such a piece of shit. Always been a cheater and whiner. I remember him taking people out left and right in pro 2, and crying like a goddamn baby the one time the driver he was trying to spin managed to hold it and spun him instead.
What an articulate young dude. Sounds like an investigation needs to happen with some penalties. I'm kinda disgusted over the whole thing. Thanks for getting this out there Tyler. If the Deegans have any integrity, they'll pony up the bike, as it was. You know the money is no issue. Interesting that there's a Canadian link! Didn't realize Brennan was a Canuck!
He was planning on racing it at Walton..
That would have been a steal of a deal on steal a $40k+ FRESH super dialed bike for $17k. There's no doubt in my mind that it was them getting butthurt that theyre losing their super custom built engine that likely wasn't legal to begin with.....and losing money on a bike that they dumped more into than they should have
Umm yea, A 40 to 50k+ bike being gone for 17K id be pretty pissed as well lol
Fuck that...here's money go get my bike. It doesnt say you can only claim it if they dont need it. NOT my problem. Here's the cash go get my shit right now.
Such a good interview and non bias for sure!! Even Brennan says they weren't cheating, but the secrets of the build on the motor is what they did not want to get out. Feel bad for this kid but he is surely a very mature young man!
The only bias I heard was from Tyler who was seemingly defending Brian Deegans actions. and knowledge of the situation. Anyone who honestly believes that Brian Deegan wasn’t fully aware of the build of said bike is simply being a Deegan ball rubber.
The way the kid is speaking and the he’s telling his story makes him seem suspicious, he’s giving details that no one would put in a story unless it was like a writin out kind of deal, not saying he lying at all, but the way he’s saying stuff kind of dragging names through the mud and then backtracking the same names. Makes him seem suspicious. Best thing this kid could’ve done was not taken this interview.
@@wyatt5712 Wut? It’s commonly referred to as having a brain and being able to articulate while effectively communicating one’s point. Nothing suspicious about it, it’s actually extremely credible to anyone with a brain.
Clout chaser
I would disagree about him seems to be hiding something he would need to make a 1000 a week to come up the money and if you race it cost travel money entry money so there is one he is so piss he got his ass wipe on and tried to take Haden out at one of the race his not even in his league he is another selfish kid acting like a Nancy
Great interview. It was nice to hear his side
I remember back when I was a kid racing I think it was Marty Smith Honda was claimed and Honda was so freaked out they wouldn’t bring there factory bikes to any race for a long time, it’s hard to race against factory bikes no matter how good you are, my hat goes off to you
It happened in 1976.
Brennan Schofield class act.
It would be a great idea to make sure NOBODY slanders/defames you, your family, your techs, nobody in your crew.
Brennan, you handled yourself very well at 17. The other side, not so much.
The General is now a private.
Great podcast.
Someone needs to be held accountable for this. I feel like this could really be a solid lawsuit against multiple parties.
lol... try harder numb nuts, the kid rescinded...
If Brennen would have stuck to his guns, you know, had some balls... there surely could have been a civil suit against Star.
the kid folded like a wet rag... his lose.
For real
Fark yeah I would big pay day coming
Well the kid does have $17,000 laying around that he could use for attorney fees.
Are you a lawyer?
Dude, this kid is awesome. I wish he woulda just went through woth it no matter what. But i understand the situation he was in & i can omly imagine the pressure he was under. Good on him though for knowing the rule book & hustling hard by saving up his $ to get his hands on a sick bike, legally. I would think Brian Deegan would appreciate a young kid shaking things up a lil, & just hustling to get ahead according to the rule book! Seems like a "Militia" move to me!...I usually don't follow amateurs too much, but Brennan got a new fan outa me. & I think Haden is an amazing rider too & can't wait to see him in the pros. So I'm not hating on the Deegans, but I can appreciate Brennan doing work & just following the rules to get good content on TH-cam & have a sick bike!
I'm happy to see everyone behind this young man. There's some heavy BS going on here...
I had no idea the Deegans & Yamaha were such scumbags. No one thought they were cheating until they basically admitted as much refusing to give their "super secret" factory bike to the kid who legally claimed it saying "oh you can't buy the illegal pro parts we stuffed in this thing to make it faster than everyone else, so we won't let you have it". And the Deegan's threatened this kids sponsors to prevent him from ever racing again if he went through with his claim on the bike? Absolutely disgusting. Can you imagine being the rich greedy ass Deegan's and threatening a 17 year old kid who only gets paid enough to race by his sponsor, and threatening to end his career if he goes through with claiming their factory bike? Lost all respect for those losers.
All the Power to you Brennan. I give you credit for having the biggest balls anyone has seen for a long time
Brave kid👍. That was very unsportsmanlike on Star/Deegan/Yamaha. You’re 100% right Brennan, you did nothing wrong, it should have been all smiles, photographs and handshakes when you made your claim.
Why the big fuss Star Yamaha? I mean you DO race in order to sell Yamaha motorcycles, right?
The rule is no surprise, after all.
In my opinion, The Deegans, Star and Yamaha all handled this terribly. They did more damage to their image by their behavior than anything.
screw deegan,he's a sellout and I'm not surprised he tried bullying a kid!
Yeah I wouldn't want to keep my last amateur bike I raced before I go pro either somebody else should have it and raffle it off and make money on it
WOW, 100% for you. This related story is as close as I can remember for at the flat track races in the 70's to the lake 90's. This same exact same thing happened in the late 70's and 80's between Gary Scott and the factory Harley Davidson flat track team. But the AMA was not happy when someone would try and claim a factory bike as H-D ran the AMA. The AMA would let a bunch of counter claims pour in so it would dilute the pool and chances of the original claimant getting the engine as only the engine was claimed back then. And to top it off Gary Scott was a former factory rider but the factory made sure it was not in line to get any parts form H-D.
Respect this kid,is so hard to get support in mx if you dont have connections.
Thank you for making this conversation come to light!
Bro should have whipped out his camera as soon as he was confronted.
Sucks for to young guys to have to b put in a position like this.. both haiden and Brennan. Brennan seems like your a good kid stay positive and keep working hard. Don’t let this little dilemma deter you from owning that factory ride.
Good for this kid I'm happy for him not everyone is rich and can afford a factory bike
This is outrageous, Brian Deegan should be ashamed of himself and Yamaha should be fined by ama for the action that was taken by them, why do we have rules
I get why Brian is upset as he loves collecting the bikes him and his family have raced, he still has his bikes from when he raced, I'm sure he's regretting the way he handled it now, I'm sure it was just out of pure frustration, it's kinda sad to see things go like this tbf
They're definitely cheating
Thanks for sharing this story, Everyone that has done this before got the same treatment.
Not common but does happen. Adam Chatfield claimed Mike Alessi's CR85 after Loretta's back in 02 I believe.
Brennan you are amazing for doing what you did you are legend for this thanks man.
What a dick move for the Deegan's and Yamaha.
AMA Failed HUGELY on this. They never should have let a minor be harassed for simply following the Rules! I've been a huge Deegan family fan. Still a Haiden fan, but this does NOT look good.
i just feel like no one can say anything cuz we werent there yuh know and this is serious bro u see what they would do to keep that from getting sold thats yamaha big money idk thats just me
@@austinftp6059 Umh, this is the Comment Section. Of which you are commenting. EVERYONE can say EVERYTHING.
@@HarborEdwin I meant that as in try to say things that didn't happen, rumor's trying to say what they think rlly happen or is happening yk what i mean i wasnt going after no one ju sayin
@@austinftp6059 First hand statement of what happened is this video. It's from the kid's perspective, but that carries weight here and in a court of law, not a 'rumor.'
I fucking hate the deegans and that spoiled little douche money maker. Even more so after this incident. I don’t get why people don’t understand BRENNAN WAS FOLLOWING THE FUCKING RULES. ITS ALLOWED. What’s not allowed is a pro level factory motor in AM races. This is ridiculous how Yamaha pressured his sponsors. Outrageous
If they threatened the kids career that's low life. He was acting within the rules and that AMA claiming rule is old. I remember it from around the Kenny Roberts era and flat track bikes. As a casual fan I knew about it. It was meant to even the playing field and keep whoever had the biggest checkbook from dominating the sport. Maybe honor should be part of the rules.
Claimer rules are common in the auto dirt track racing leagues. The purpose is to keep the costs down.
Keeps cheating down…..except the deegans are obviously cheating.
Massive respect to your Brennan, you're mature beyond your years!
Kids a punk ride your own bike it you wanna ride a star Yamaha be better
yeah mature tallking shit on snapchat before claim real mature
Interesting how Deegan started the Metal militia to go against all of these corporations but now he’s a part of the corporation.
In my opinion ,If everyone involved with that team, Star Racing Yamaha, and they went that far NOT to lose the motor, then there obviously was something inside that was beyond stock and outside the rules. The whole purpose of the claim rule is to self regulate the factorys so they do NOT spend excessive money on exotic materials or machine it beyond what non factory temas cannot do. IT was to keep AMA pro and amatuear Racing affordable for privateers yo have a fair shot at Racing against the top factory teams. Before the production rule American pro motocross had one off factory machines that were unobtainable , exotic and so far above a stock bike that only factory teams could win, even smaller motorcycle companies didnt per se like the anything goes factory bikes because the larger companies could spend double, even triple what they could reasonably afford. The production rule gave is consumers of mx bikes better and better eqp. Lowered the cost of Racing for ALL the teams( in theory) and evened the racing field a little. There certaintly are more local experts and pro privateers now doing very well these days. Look at MXGP where they still have factory bikes. There isnt even a full gate of racers for the main motos let alone 80 people trying to qualify for 40 spots in each class at a AMA national. Little by little the factory teams have out diatanced their bikes from stock ones that this Claim rule is supposed to keep in check. If more people did it....the factory teams wouldnt try to push the rules to the limit and beyond. One thing for sure, it took this kid a lot of balls to claim of all peoples bike. Hayden Deegan. Me personally i would claim Eli Tomacs....lol( even tho i know i cant...you have to be in same class....its a joke already) Bbrraappp!!
It was a mod class he can have whatever he wanted
@@jaidengodfrey5380 no ....not whatever they want. Even pro bikes have limits. Read the rules ....granted you can do a lot....but there are still rules....why does everyone try to disagree. If you understood what i said is the claim rule is their to limit the amount of Money a factory team or wealthy person could do and make Racing somewhat affordable and fair. I Never said anything about star Yamaha cheating only they have something they shouldnt ( excessive Money invested= unfair advantage) so even if everything was légal the mère fact that they spent crazy Money time and recources is why their bike was claimed. Jeez....even a supermodified race car has rules dude.
Really smart kid, I don’t understand why everyone is getting so rowdy. That’s every kids dream to ride a factory/pro bike. Kind of bummed to hear that there’s people like that in the moto industry. Hope all works out for all parties
For a 17yr old kid there's a lot of maturity here. Hope he does well going forward
@@Peace_Eshiet yup.
@@Peace_Eshiet Why? For inadvertently discovering a cheating team?
@@_Vicarious it’s not a cheating team. They were in a mod bike race so they can do what they like to the bike. The kid is just jealous of Haiden. Even said so in the video he’s been targeting him since southwick
but with a factory bike. I bet you wouldn't of seen A pro circuit full factory race bike racing there. they fucked up and should pay the kid cuz he legally brought and owned the bike.I would take star to court.
@@mitchelleveleigh9142 suspected cheating in the sense that even though it is the mod class the parts have to be available to the public to purchase. also the cases can't be modified internally
Brennan, I think you have handled yourself very well through the whole situation it just goes to show you Brennan that everyone always paints a pretty picture but when it comes down to being honest and having integrity the money side always wins!
The way the Deegan team acted and said makes it hard to believe anything but " They were cheating".......and you damn right I'll remember" Deegan the cheater"
Should be banned from racing for this year and next.
Brennan you are a fantastic young man, credit to your parents and yourself. You handled your self so well and these people did the complete opposite. Shame on them, the Deegans will lose a lot of fans for this and Yamaha. Such a shame that people do not want a level playing field?
yoo how can u say that when hes winning in pros are u crazy my man
Brian Deegan would have never let someone corner his son in a room. I’ve spoken to and seen Brian a few times at different events. Always thought he was a man of integrity. Boy was I wrong!
Someone once told me at a very young age.
“You can never get caught in the TRUTH”
Just saying.
I would drop my sponsorship for that bike. Pick up the fame and find a new sponsor.
You thought someone who’s been caught running cheater motors in multiple classes and cuts the track more than once has integrity?
@@aarongrace2376 aye 😂
I would of thrown Brian across the pits for talking to my son like that.
Director of ama was also in the room listening.
They were in his and Tim's office.
Schofield also signed letter saying he wasn't pressured to drop claim.
Schofields sorry leave things out
Dude. This kid got screwed. That sucks. I've heard a lot of SHIT about the deegans and now I'm starting to believe it.
Yep he lost his ride in the end over it
@@54raceman brennan lost his sponsorship?
Your learning a valuable lesson, the rules are only rules for those without money and connections.
I wish someone there was smart enough to have him get a hold a honda or kawasaki dealer rep and they would of started to sponsor him 100% and he would of been able to buy get the bike. He could of even gotten a free mechanic from them to help "look at and maintain the bike".
the rule makes sense dont bring a factory bike into an amateur race, if it is true bad for the trainer and the manufacturer, they should be penalized by the AMA.
100% agree
💯
It was the Mod Division boneheads.
Mod bike race get that through your thick skulls.
@@wolfhunter6711 big difference when its your basic mod vs you full factory race mod that im sure was one of there factory 250f guys motor. thats why they made such a big deal.
If he was not sponsored by a Yamaha dealer there would not have been that pressure for him to back out.
Thats what I got outta this. This was some next level bullying
Was the Yamaha dealership pressured or was that assumed?
It’s never really clarified in the video.
Why would he have gone after his own sponsors bike I could see if he wrote Honda KTM but to go after the same end that feeds him had to be money driven
He made his self mess up 2x, he wants to buy a factory bike that is same brand sponsor that he have and he wants to tear it down and show it in TH-cam and expect to keep his Yamaha sponsor like bruh if he did that he is done
Yamafia lol
I'd file a lawsuit, Yamaha comes out looking like crooks on this deal, it's extortion for starters and threating someone is also a crime. As for the Cheaten Deegans as they will now forever be known it's a Brand killer.
Taking someone’s bike whether it’s pro built or not should make anyone mad, then they have to go replace and build a new bike.. they could have races or training in the coming days or numerous other things and just the hassle of having to reach the bike is enough to be pissed at..
The difference between entitled and respectful. Well done Brennan. You have a new fan. Your smart, work hard. Thank you for putting the truth out there. Good luck to you and your family. Keep you head up. Your dad should be proud. You followed the rules but I guess they are only for some.
You are a brain surgeon.
"I am entitled to buy Deegan's bike because it says I can!!!!"
@@395PRS clever keyboard warrior. Who's brain surgeon. Deegan fan boi
@@395PRS change the rules then . Oh that's right you dont believe in them. Oh and every single racer there had that option. Every bike on the property. Don't race then clever cube
Nice words, respect for him in New Zealand, factory bike….who the heck wouldn’t one of them…real dream their. How would Brian react if his son was called into a room & attacked like this without a parent their, no respect for Brian. The out come for the Deegans will be to limit the damage to there name & say they had nothing to do with it…..yeah right.
@@jackieashcroft1562 well said Jackie
Good job Tyler and Brennan balls for speaking your side.
Love Jhop, cooksey, Livesay (cuz I'm an Austin dude), AJ, deegans.....
This is why it’s everyone’s goal to ride for factory. The bikes dominate because they have the best riders on them and the most technology in them. Is it fair? No, but that’s life.
They will never let an every day racer take a factory race bike for twice the MSRP! Without a serious fight!.
I like how little Deegan followed the kid back to his camp like he's tough or something 🤣. Them little rich Deegan kids never been in a fight in their life.
I Grew up in the ghetto slums of south central cali catching fades throughout school, ended up riding dirt bikes and running marathons 🤣
Why are you talking about kids fighting? Do you think if you've never had a fight you're not a man? So you know the Deegan kids haven't a fight? Grow up kid.
@@stampylove I'm talking about fighting, because the Deegan crew wanted to act tough ! That Deegan kid would call the police after getting punched in the mouth once.
Great Talk! glad Brennan was able to share his perspective. Great kid that is real mature for his age.
Just a blessing in disguise!!!
This kid is cool. I really hope people aren't bullying him over this. That took balls and brains. He's very mature. Hopefully he can get more sponsors and get his own built bike.
Seems like a solid kid, mature and well spoken. Regardless if the rule is right or not a rule is a rule. Bums me out that Yamaha & others behaved like that, it’s inexcusable. I ride a Yamaha and was planning on buying the next gen 250f when it comes out but this puts a bad taste in my mouth.
You mean an almost last place finisher stirring the pot to get some eyeballs on em?
kkkkkkkkk
Did Yamaha actually behave like that? Or was it assumed based on the likely evidence (aka conjecture).
That isn’t clarified in the video.
So because this happened which has nothing to do with you or even affects you now you got a bad taste in your mouth and dont wanna buy a Yamaha?
@@PainterFRO yes
I totally support you Brennan just remember not everyone acts like Yamaha, cotter, or Brian if they were no cheating they would not have made such a deal. It’s BS they threatened your sponsor and pressured you into a corner. Good luck man keep your head high and best of luck to you.
How can you say haiden is cheating. Haiden has been dominating lorettas from an early age. He busts his ass and don't deserve for some kid to take his bike
They would lose time, money, and data. Worse loss than caught cheating
I dont think they were cheating. I think they showed up with a $75K full factory bike and did not want to part with it.
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP it’s cheating if they intimidate someone into not claiming the bike. Not cheating for having a mod in a mod class
That rule has to exist exactly for that reason. Don't build a "built to the moon" bike because someone can come along and claim it. It's clearly not working.
I’ve raced _Lorettas_ (AMA Amateur National Championships), _Ponca City_ (NMA Grand National Championships) & the _NMA World Mini Grand Prix._ I raced Yamaha’s. A crash in 2003 left me with a broken neck. As an adult, I’m an electrical engineer… here’s how I see it; a claim I’ve heard multiple times is that Donnie warned “We have a lot of technology in that motor we don’t want released to the public” & “you won’t be able to service this engine, you won’t be able to get all the necessary parts to service it”. Consider the fact that during moto 2, Even Ferry’s footpeg got tangled in the spokes of one of Haiden Deegan’s wheels & Haiden DNF’d or was disqualified… the 3rd moto was a throw-away moto for Deegan… I suspect they were using that moto to test the feasibility of Electronic-Controlled Valves _(& a camless valve train)_ the lower rotating mass could *considerably* increase acceleration & rev a little higher. The variable valve timing would be continuously-variable (Instead of being limited to _Regular_ & _VTEC_ halves of a cam lobe), *however* engine timing would require probably specialized interface hardware or at the very least special proprietary computer software. In the off-chance it all works through a _Plug-&-Play_ ECU, one of these guys wouldn’t have the first *CLUE* about the idiosyncrasies of Yamaha’s Camless ValveTrain & Engine Timing… it’s a prototype, so many parts are _one-off_
Shady as hell.. Congrats to Brennan for earning his own money to do this.
Thank you guys SOOO much for doing this video. Really shows true colors of some individuals involved in the sport. I hope this video BLOWS up.
Yep this kid trying to screw over deegan was messed up. This kid lost to deegan and it’s a revenge thing
Yep this kid trying to screw over deegan was messed up. This kid lost to deegan and it’s a revenge thing
@@chadnelson1777 jesus christ dude.....clearly you didnt watch what he had to say. He said deegan didnt need a factory bike to win anyways . He just wanted to ride a factory bike??? GTFO of here
@@dougroberts7073 even if that's true, it's still a douche bag move. It's a rule, and i get that, but to jack someones bike just b/c you got the money is kinda messed up
@@jankie55 agree, sentimental value itself probably worth more than the 17k price, not to mention Haiden needs it to ride the next few months worth of event's..... This dude probably ruined his career over this move.. If he's smart he may be able use the publicity in a positive way but I doubt Yamaha or any of the major manufacturers/sponsers will want a bar of him
Star Yamaha should be banned from racing any where ever again , for not selling him that bike, and not handing the bike over to him, No questions asked,
This is simple. If it’s a rule then allow it to happen without threats to sponsors. If you don’t like it, get the rule changed. No one should have threatened sponsors or this kid, for following a rule.
Cheating or not there is a rule in place that its MSRP x2. There should be absolutely no company aftermarket or team that is spending more than MSRP x2 on these amateur bikes. The rules are in place to help keep the playing field level, and it's been over 20 + years since the playing field was even close. The dream of Amateur racing is completely dead and is nothing but a money suck.
Man just needs to work harder instead of trying to take an easy and shitty route to take someone’s factory bike want a factory ride? Earn it
@tyler couldn’t agree more
@@tylerpuff2662 but that's the whole point of the rule, they don't want fully fledged factory bikes in the amatuer ranks because at that stage it should be more about rider skill and having a full factory bike is quite unfair. If deegan is as good as they say he could have just run a slightly modded yz250f just like everybody else runs and let his skill do the talking
you did hear this kid say he has a custom motor, that would be a level playing field no?
@@tcmx712 Ryder D was riding same factory bike than deegan,,, you know who won?? Cole Martinez, NO factory support. The bike at that level could give u some sort of advantage,,, but think about that again,, all of the pro am riders, hymas, ryder D... they couldnt performed and they are in factory teams
I'm 37. Grew up in racing. Family had a dealership. I was able to ride a motoxxx 450 bike only one time back in 07. Big bird was a good teacher. I was a upper c rider and never felt power like that from a 04 crf450. He said was training is everything. Guys I'm up in the air on this. There is a lot riding on this video. It's star yamaha. U never see tomac in any deegans videos bc of this training. Hell Webb would show up and pass me, and I was on 450, like I was standing still along with Osborne and they were on 85s at our private track in SC. It's a double egde sword. I give props to him coming out on this video. Guys just remember that there is a lot of technology that teams pay for to not get out. Hell I went to jgr training facility in 08 for ride day and was amazed at the prototype foot pegs they had! They old 2stoke days are gone. Efi technology that they have is crazy. Just putting in my 2 cents. It's hard but hear both sides before you throw rocks. It's like this in every motor sport racing, Nascar, drifting, f1, hell even sxs mud events with nitrous. Nobody want to give up the edge.
In the pro class yes. Not in the amateur class. They shouldn't have ran a factory bike if they weren't willing to lose it.
then dont put a full factory race bike in LL. did you see any of Pro circuit factory bikes there. nope mitch know this can happen.
No I’ve lost respect for all the deegans all that Christian talk not fir me to decide but bryan will burn in hell for the TH-cam front he’s out on hailiedeegan nudes are all I’ve the internet
The way they reacted it was clear they were cheating in some way. Whether that was by putting an amateur on a factory bike or by outright cheating can never be known.
That's crazy but not surprising at all. You know they are pushing the limits of technology probably spent 10s to 100s of millions in development of that motor.
This kid has such poise for a 17-year-old. Good for him.
Wow. Just shows you how much of an advantage it is to have a factory bike.
Honda, kawasaki, or Suzuki would have picked you up the minute you found Yamaha cheating. Deegan will hopefully get major fallout from this.
Earned mad respect for Brennon. Shame on Yamaha. They could have offered him a day on his bike and not come out looking like A Holes.
A day??
More like gave him a bike to make him some what happy,right now they all look like a bunch of grown man that scared a kid to "not"claim the bike
But they have spent months and way more than 17k setting up this bike for a jealous kid to come take it away
@@bolas_dirtbike2066 what a dumb comment, thats what this rule is supposed to avoid happening
@@bolas_dirtbike2066 settle down there deegan fan boy