Did Yamaha and Haiden Deegan Cheat? It Looks Very Suspicious
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The rarely used "Claiming rule" came into place at this year's Loretta Lynns Amateur Motocross Championship. Brennen Schofield was looking to buy a Star Yamaha, but things got weird... - บันเทิง
The intimidation by Yamaha is inexcusable.
Absolutely.
100%. I'm boycotting Star Yamaha, Yamaha and the Deegans. Not getting a dollar from me. I've never liked Brian but Haiden had a choice to make it right and chose not to. I get that he's young but right is right and wrong is wrong. He chose badly and I can't support that.
I done with the Deegan's now. I was a HUGE FAN, watching everything. The Deegan's were a great story of what America is supposed to be about. The land of opportunity, from rags to riches, done with hard work. It's understandable that the Deegan's were upset that Haiden's bike was claimed, but it's the rules, and rules matter. Brian Deegan could have put this to rest. He could have struct a deal to buy it back, right away. Brian Deegan should have stood up for Brennen because he did nothing wrong but follow the rules, instead of letting this kid get harassed by the Deegan fans. Take the high noble road bruh. It would have paid the Deegan's off ten fold, racers and fans alike. Haiden didn't need the factory engine anyway. Why are you riding a factory bike at a race that has this rule in place anyway... Now there will always be the story of how the Deegan's and Yamaha bullied a kid for following the rules because they made a stupid decision.
Buddy don’t believe everything u see on the internet
@@coolio3498 If you can tell me that Haiden's bike wasn't claimed by Brennan, then OK, I stand corrected. If not, well I guess there is nothing more to say other than sour grapes...
Bud it honestly was not Brian who would have been the one who was worried. Star is the one that would have been pressing and not wanting the bike to get into others hands and for good reason. I’m sure That bike has never been in the deegan a hands other than Haiden on the track. Star most likely brought the bike to the race themselves. If that was just a bike Brian built for Haiden I’d be willing to bet he would have not dealt with the drama and been pumped to sell it for so much. Star has the best bikes in the game right now and not for any other reason than hard work. Also, the price on the claiming rule is terrible. I would be willing to bet if you walked down the start line and talked to every rider who had a new bike they would tell you that they had way more than the cost of the bike into aftermarket parts. With this rule you could go to LL and pick out the rider with the richest dad and buy yourself a bad ass bike with 1 race on it for a lot less than it would cost to build it. For example, wheels are 2500,exhaust is 1200 on some bikes,a motor build could be anywhere from 1000-10,000 depending and the rich kids at those races dad’s will drop 10k on a motor without blinking. Triple clamps are 1000, graphics are 200, most a lot of the kids on the start line have kit suspension and that’s as much as a new bike alone. If some kid had forgone buying a bike for LL and saved his money he could have bought a 30k bike from a few non factory riders I am certain of it. I wonder how mad people would be at a father that throws away money on this race every year when he doesn’t let some random kid in the class buy his sons bike for a low price. The people who think that there aren’t at least 10 kids and a few that are total nobodies that have >30k bikes in that class are out of touch with reality this isn’t 2001 anymore. You don’t race this race out of a pickup truck with a tent anymore! There are semis pulling in and unloading 8 65’s on the lift gate!
@@chadsanner792 You make a great argument on why the rule is there. To try and keep the escalating bike costs down for the amateur class of racing, in an effort to make it more competitive. What the current costs in upgrades are, and what one shows up in, are not relevant. The rules state 2X retail for a claimed bike, that's what matters. After that, spend what one elects to. No one is twisting one's arm too. Everyone one does it with the understanding that they could lose the bike, and the over investment if the bike is claimed, not their $300k plus rig(s) and trailer(s).
In regard to Star Yamaha, they took a gamble knowing the risks. A very risking one at that. Probably in excess of $50k. Maybe it was arrogance on their part, thinking, no one has the balls to claim our bike, especially with a Deegan riding it... Someone did. In the end, they got off easy...
As for Brian Deegan, if Brian wasn't concerned, then why was he asking the kid, "Why are you doing this?" Him being concerned is completely understandable, Haiden is at the beginning of what could be a legendary career. He has a better start than he ever had... Haiden is his son, not Star Yamaha, he has the final say on what Haiden does on every level...
@@bigpapa1470 just to be clear on my opnion. I’m not saying they should have just ignored the rule as it was part of the rules. So if someone decided it was a good idea to choose to use this rule it looks like they lost a bike. I get all that. Now They are allowed however, to make a deal with the family to get them to not buy it or talk to them to explain why they think shouldn’t. We have no idea what was said about that part just hear say. I would also agree with you on leveling the playing field in the stock classes. Not so much If you’re gonna have a mod class. that class shouldn’t be limited or leveled. If so why even have it? If you can’t compete in the mod class due to money there is a class for you, the stock class. Limiting people from doing everything they can just down to a small amount? That’s what stock classes are for. My point about the vehicles they show up in was just a reference of how expensive the sport and general life expenses have become. There’s only a certain demographic that’s showing up to these things. You think a guy who can’t afford a good bike is gonna be able to buy a bike for 17k cash?? This kid showed up with 17k in cash. You telling me the class needs leveled for him due to money?? He!! No!! Obviously the kid can buy whatever he wants they just want a shortcut on the product. The rule isn’t to level the field. It’ll only allows people with a giant bank account to further circumvent the hard work. That is my big reason for the rule being dumped in that class. Also, my other point about what they show up in is you are not taking your kids to the am nationals all year on 100k a year job not spending almost a quarter of your gross income for the year on a bike. And Last, but not least there is absolutely none of this story that is verified other than he said she said. The guy that parked next to my buddy who was at the race said a guy he ran into at the creek told him…….. I wouldn’t decide who I support or who I do not on a gossip video. Some of the gossip is surly true, but to what extent? we have no idea.
As someone who works pro nationals the Yamaha factory employees are jerks so this doesn’t surprise me at all
If star didn’t have more then 18k in the bike, why would they even care? They have bikes coming out of their ears. Clamps, method wheels, enzo kyb, pipe and motor work I’m saying it was probably well over the 18 mark which is why they were sour
They more than likely had over 30 grand in it.
My gripe with the channel. As a journalist, which is what you’re doing: journalism. Where’s the interviews? Or where you getting the information from. Would just like to know sources, and this just isn’t clickbait second hand stories. Have you talked to Star Racing, the Deegans, MX sports? How much homework are we doing. Just a thought. Not hating. Just like to know where the info is from.
Right I just heard a lot of “Supposedly” so in this Day, and Age where you can’t sling a dead cat and not hit a cell phone…no video? Seem’s kinda strange.
All this guy does is spread fake info....he's a clown.
I heard this story the night my son got home from the race. Almost word for word with a little more detail on the claiming side. They were obviously hiding something when they are threating a dealerships franchise. I also agree, Deegan is major talent and didn't need the factory bike. Motocross is so damn political it is scarey and being a bully is just a dick move.
Sounds like a sore loser reaction and as stated a social media move. IDK how often do motors get changed at this level when you’re sponsored by this size of a team.
I’ll also agree MX is full of BS politics so who knows.
But pulling a contract would cost Yamaha a lot mote than a bike and a reputation. Think of the law suits, you cannot walk in and pull a contract in Canada without cause.
I agree the video is all just allegedly this allegedly that
Rumor has it Deegan showed him a picture of Linkogle outside of his house in camo shorts and a cut off flannel petting his puppy.
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If the AMA changes or eliminates that rule, then you know it's corrupt.
I expect it to change
.....OR the AMA may have just decided to use COMMON SENSE.
@@jamesadams2334 lmao imagine wanting to protect R&D money put into the bike to make the athletes you pay, perform better. The old head claiming rule is a horse shit way to punish the standout talent. Star likely wouldn't of let the kid touch the bike regardless of what the Deegans wanted, its their property.
the rule itself is the definition of corruption of power, this rule are only used by the losers, never heard of top guys buying top guy's bike
@@racingwrld it doesn’t matter what start would have wanted. It’s a rule. Forfeit the championship or allow the claiming of your bike.
You grew up knowing Brian Deegan hence why you're insecure about Brian Deegan and his successes and how his kids are doing so well while you latch on their name to be relevant.
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@@CookseyMedia you commented because its true, you are out here chattering hearsays, what she said he said, you cannot even afford to fly out to watch races.
Story is, “somebody finally claims an over budgeted bike all the top teams show up with and team isn’t happy about it”. You can make a video about it for clicks without out outright accusing someone of cheating with absolutely no proof or evidence. He literally says parts are expensive and the rule should be 2.5 because these bikes cost a lot. Then immediately says they were cheating and that’s why it happened.
Also yes if there were people mad and threatening them that night that’s unacceptable and there had to be some security of some kind at this event. They should have been throwing people out.
Cheating in this case isn’t about running something illegal but rather running something others don’t have access to. This is the whole point of the rule. When it comes to star and the deegans it definitely has nothing to do with the cost of the parts, it’s about keeping their proprietary info locked down. Which again is the whole point of the rule, to keep amateur racing more fair.
Not to be overlooked is the "Provinace" of this bike. If you where to put it in a auction of sporting goods say in three years when he is probably the best of the Pro's what is it worth!! They Know by paying that small amount they would double thier money in the future not to mention the youtube boost.
this rule are only used by the losers, never heard of top guys buying top guy's bike, if you say this rule keep amateur racing more fair, then that is bs, the top kids in LL already have contracts waiting for them, those kids like this kid who tried to clain haiden's bike, is a kid who stood no chance in the competition. if he wanted a bike like haiden, he should work hard for it.
@@motofreak2772 If we abide by your theory then there should be no Mod classes whatsoever, and everyone racing must be an amateur and race stock bikes. Once you get into mod stuff you open a whole new can of worms as we saw in this case. The bike was not illegal, in mod class, but it may have proprietary stuff on it that Star might not want in public. LL effectively shot themselves in the foot by trying to maintain the claim rule in any mod class. So why did LL allow them then? Because it opened up a segment that allows these up and coming riders that are heading for Pro to test their skills. And it gives the Amateur classed a chance to mingle with them, and it brings not only more revenue, but more excitement and publicity. If anything, I think the claim rule should not be included in the mod classes, because you should be able to "run what ya brung", regardless. Either that or figure 3x on claim value. Why? Well, Factory secrets are expensive.
I’m a fan of the Deegan’s and when Haiden signed with star. I thought it was for the west coast supercross because when I saw what he was practicing on. I thought to myself, that’s a works bike that ain’t no stock bike. If that’s a stock bike. My riding skills are better than Jeremy McGrath. But what they were doing to that kid that protested the bike was a sh!t move. What I like to know is. Where was this kid dad when all of this bullying was happening to him? I can promise you. If that was my kid, I’d be right beside him. Because you know some kind of Bullsh!t is probably go down like that. 🤷🏼♂️
You don't have to ride a "stock bike" (why you pay 2x) AND it was a claim, not a protest... You people need to learn the facts of the sport before having such ridiculous comments.
not protested claimed if he had protested the bike nothing would have happened to him
Dude, why not focus on the 250 2 strokes Vs 450 4 stroke rule that has excluded 250 2 stroke from their own original racing class, now that's the biggest single scam in dirt bike history.
I think the Deegan's all work very hard for their success, the old saying (The harder you work the luckier you get), Brian Deegan has become an inspiration to many and it's great to see his family follow his great ethics
search "haiden deegan southwick crash" on youtube - he was the rider that took haiden's line and haiden crashed so hard, flew so far and rolled so many times -- im starting to think this kid just hates haiden and wants what he has
RACERX did a story on Deegan.
On the cover he was in a business suit. The whole artical was about how smart he was business wise.
@@racingwrld 100% he's petty and jealous and this was planned by him and his family.
@@fjbfuckjoebiden8548 planned or not a rule is a rule and nobody should be above them. It doesn't matter if someone hates or is jealous of someone or not. As far as Tim doing what is claimed idk that I believe that. I've known him for a long time and haven't seen or heard of this kind of activity on his part and I've been around a lot of races with him and the racer production crews. Possible.... sure but why haven't anyone else discussing this except for this dude that I've never heard of before??
The Open class is the only answer to cheaters. E-bikes are coming anyway, get on with it.
Man some of you guys in the comments just don’t get it. Wanting to eliminate this rule is a shame. Because once that happens all the top talent will be rolling in with full blown factory bikes leaving the kid racing out of a pick up truck no chance to make a name for himself. Is that what you really want? You’re going to kill amateur racing that way.
I get it that you’re a big fan of Haiden and don’t want any negative light on him but you need to put yourself in the shoes of the other racers trying to go up against kids like that. David vs Goliath except y’all want to give Goliath the stone.
Then they want to get mad at you for being mad at Goliath
It's kind of bullshit that the kid racing out of the back of a truck had to pull this to make a name for himself. It's obvious by the timing of the claim that he was fucking with haiden.
@@mcgovney6969 what was wrong with the timing? They were going to work with Haiden to let him finish his motos.
Claiming the bike doesn’t make a name for the kid either. But I bet next year star will use off the shelf motors so maybe then he stands a chance. You don’t even need to beat the factory guys to make a name for yourself, just keeping up and putting in an impressive ride can lead to big sponsors for these back of the truck kids.
@@motofreak2772 If he was serious about claiming the bike he would have waited until after schoolboy and loaded it up and left with it. This sure did make a name for himself...I've never heard of him until this happened. Also, a kid racing out of the back of his truck doesn't have an extra 19k to gamble on maybe getting a works motor.
@@mcgovney6969 what? Okay you don’t get what I’m saying. The point isn’t to give everyone a works motor the point is to stop anyone from having one. You’re focused on the kid who made the claim but he placed 16th, how about the guy who placed 5th? Those are the kids who are getting shafted when a talent like Deegan gets to ride $50k bike.
And why are you so against fair racing in amateurs? Of course Deegan will still win on the fair motor, he proved that, but at least give the others a chance.
This whole shenanigans obviously scared Star so hopefully next year them and all the other factory teams only bring off the shelf equipment.
That kid was genius. A “I bought Deegan’s Bike” would have been great TH-cam content. He did it fair and went about it the right way. That sucks he was mistreated.
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its bullshit how a kid can drop mommys money on degans bike to use it for a youtube video to get all this hype over social media greedy and saltly is what it is... kids mad he is dogshit at the sport he chose cant get better so he causes drama and trys to fuck other peoples career
He didn’t do it for a TH-cam video. There was beef from a few months ago when they got into each other racing at south wick. This was planned and it wasn’t for a TH-cam video.
Is it odd that with the thousands of people at the Ranch that week, there has not been One Parent, track official, sponsor, manufacturer like Honda, Kawasaki, Gas Gas, KTM etc., the countless kids with their phones taking video... Not One Person has uploaded anything concerning this event... No Complaints filed... Nothing.
the story is all Bullshit... Cooksey Media wanted clicks and subscribers...
remember... there is always a motive to trashing others, and that is most likely profit.
@@traveler142 I agree 100%. Cooksey kept saying things like “harrassing this kid in the woods at night” and that the kid was “bullied” and “scared”? We’re talking about Loretta’s, a VERY family oriented event where that just wouldn’t be possible. If anything it was a chicken shit move and the kids lucky he didn’t get his ass kicked for pulling that shit in my opinion. Cooksey is a joke and obviously an idiot knowing that anybody with any sense will see right though his bullshit.
Star is all about winning with the best bike they can build no matter what mods (legally) they had to make. The claiming rule is used so rarely that it is believable Deegan's bike would be worth well over the claiming price. If true the one detail that gives this story credibility is the quick motor swap before the the final moto so that the motor in question could remain in Star's possession.
They swapped AFTER the claim had been retracted.
I would have bought it if I knew about this rule lol
If they swapped motors during the claim whoever claimed the bike would have got 2 motors
@@S0RELOSER Yes, they were afraid the bike would have been claimed again in the other class he raced on Saturday. That is probably why they said Evan Ferry was sick and he didn't race the last moto. And the motor was missing out of Ferry's bike on Saturday as well. Coincidence?? I doubt it
@@littlecaldwell2487 you know absolutely nothing
I remember they always had stock and mod classes at ponca. Stock classes were always more prestigious. Did they stop having a stock class for all the classes? If so, they should revive that asap!
They renamed stock classes to
" limited " they had to cater to the soft ass parents and allow certain mods that can be done.
@@MichaelAMyers1957 what mods can they have? I'm assuming exhaust, what else?
@@kx250fforlife nope exhaust etc is illegal in limited or stock class that's why it's called limited... Only suspension an tires are allowed , chains an little things that's about it I don't even think you can put a mod sprocket
@@kx250fforlife you have have “comfort parts” basically. Suspension, bars, foot pegs, break pedal and shifter and i believe wheels are allowed as well.
@@YZFMX256 so you can run $9k suspension in a stock class?
Way too much $ pumped into the amateur racing. By dads or sponsors. Full stock, put your stickers on the bike, that's it, race. Like Cooksey said, "he didn't need it". But from what I've seen from the Deegan fam so far is that they are good people, work hard, and earn it.
They did nothing wrong
"didnt need it" implies that Deegan actually had a factory bike.
Fact is, he didnt. Brian has been pretty vocal about the fact that Haiden's bike is not what the pro Star guys get and Haiden himself has been vocal about the fact that he has to earn a pro bike. It's one of the reasons Haiden didnt race A class this year - he doesnt have access to the pro level Star bikes so Brian wasnt comfortable sending him into A class with inferior equipment.
Like you said, the Deegans are good people.
@@S0RELOSER according to someone out here, there's a rule that states riders must race 1 year B class before they can go to A class. Idk if it's true or not. But I put a comment on a different video how racing A class next would be a complete waste of time for deegan now, and that he should have went straight to A class, some guy got all in his feelings over it. In the comment he said there's a rule saying you have to race 1 year of B class. If that's true, that's one dumbass rule.
That’s what the 250 Limited (Stock) class is for. The 250 B is the mod class. He’s not the only factory bike racing in his class, but the haters will find anything to complain about.
@@S0RELOSER No, it doesn't. It implies that it was a modified bike, not a factory bike. Star just doesn't want people to know how their head is ported, cam specs, suspension valving...
The AMA has got to make a big case out of this, this is completely unacceptable. Rules are rules.
AMA is in Kahoots with Deegan's because they think Deegan's sell more tickets for them. Pretty obvious what's happening.
The rules have never been the rules for the AMA. One set of rules for the amateurs and no rules for the factories.
100%! Ruining our sport from the inside. Snakes in the hen house. Weed these people out, atleast shine a light on these buffoons- Tim Cotter, Star Yamaha, Deegans, and Alessi's,,, should all ride pink 4wheelers with a dunce hat
The AMA is as sketchy as it can get and goes with the money, don't old your breath.
Although I agree.
Jeez, people are too wound up over this but don't know the difference between a protest and claiming a bike. The claiming rule is in place to try to level the playing field a bit at what is supposed to be an amateur championship. A protest is where a teardown would occur to look for bikes that don't comply with the class rules. As we can see from the outcome of this fiasco, the claiming rule is a joke.
* Here's brian's response to the bike claim th-cam.com/video/AaV-XNzuqEI/w-d-xo.html*
@@racingwrld Yeah, the loser took it down.
@@racingwrld Brian Deegan erased that bs
I wish we had video proof or audio recordings of the alleged interrogation as well as the threats that night from Yamaha. If those things did 100% happen then that is proof of some wrong doing. Cops do stuff like this all the time. You apply pressure and then people will incriminate them selves. The actions by the team during the process and after (swapping the motor) proves they did actually have something in the bike… was it still legal probably but it definitely was unobtainable by normal riders. Plus If Tim actually interrogated the kid with only Brian present and no actual parent or guardian present Then they 100% need to look into legal action against him or Mx sports. The fact that the kid was strong armed by Yamaha and they mentioned the loss of his local dealerships franchise. If it’s true then it just looks bad for Yamaha, Mx Sports, and the AMA amateur race scene. Deegan family is great for the sport but I’ve had enough of the favoritism at races! They should earn it like everyone else. I honestly believe mod class should just be removed completely from amateur racing. Suspension work should be the only thing allowed.
they swapped motors because deegan was racing a non mod class later on.
@@jessemccollum937 school boy isnt a stock class. Or atleast I didn’t think it was. That’s the class he rode after it.
True... always 2 sides to every story. I don't know to what extreme but I could see this being somewhat true... If I rich and got the chance to buy a factory bike hell yea I would too
Well i call bs. No need to swap the motor.. I was there.... If it was stock why not take the 17k and walk laughing... Yall really brain dead in these comments
@@jessemccollum937 non mod with works suspension.
The general is a stand up guy? In 2014 admitted cheating at oak hill when his kids bike was protested and found to be an over bore. Why wouldn't he bring a "factory" bike to the biggest am race of his kids career.
He kicked out Twitch because Twitch was better then him and outshined him....... At the time Twitch was HANDS DOWN the biggest rider for MM and in the pro Truck racing they were doing back then. Deegan HAS ALWAYS BEEN AN EGO FUCKBOY why everybody forgets this and thinks hes a "good dude" is clueless. They haven't watched it all go down for the last 25 years like I have.
This is why the stock and modified classes are important. There should definitely be a tear down rule like in the pros. I remember when you could claim bikes in the pros before the production rule went into effect.
We’ll make a video then. Quit running your mouth. Bring us the facts if this is wrong.
@@shultzy1080 Make a video, why would I when I can type the facts faster than I can make a video?
Dude is a future camp. $20k for that bike is a bargain even if it was stock.
Agreed, seems like a good deal to me. The price needs to be 3X
@@CookseyMedia if it’s 3x then you do not understand the purpose of the claiming rule.
It’s meant to make sure teams dont over spend on amateur racing.
So rather than raise the claiming fee, teams should respect it and limit what they spend on a AMATEUR bike.
@@S0RELOSER agreed!
THe kid out there talking with his friends saying "remember me now that you're famous". Literally just used Haiden for clout. AWFUL.
Sounds poorly handled by the Yamaha Team.
It’s the rule, and your one of the top teams in the sport. You should know the rules and risks.
He is petty and jealous of deegan. It was planned by him and his family to do this. It has nothing to do with yamaha I wouldn't give up my bike either
Micky Boone almost got Bob Hannah's OW 26 water cooled bike in 1976. Almost. Privateer John Roeder successfully claimed Marty Tripes' brand new 1979 RC250 works Honda at the opening round of the 1979 AMA 250 Nationals. After Tripes bike claim, it didn't happen again and the era of those sweet works Hondas started to come out.
Claiming in all forms of racing tends to stir a shitstorm.
It all comes down to this: The factories run the show. Racing is for selling bikes. The factories make and break the rules. Anyhow, if he wasn't claiming such a high profile rider as Deegan, This wouldn't be a story. Just my opinion....😊
I can’t remember what I ate for breakfast but for some reason my crusty kid brain said OW27
@@Viking380 You could be right.
It didn't happen again because all four manufacturers got pissed off and threatened to pull out of AMA racing unless the rule was changed.
Man I've like you and your channel but you make claims like it's solid fact that he cheated . Not cool , not cool at all . You say this looks bad on deegan, well until this video I haven't heard nothing about him n star cheating. If anything your making it look bad . If you got facts that they cheated , then lay the facts on the table. He allegedly did this , they allegedly did that . Again not cool
I say allegedly so I don’t get sued, MX Sports is sue happy. No idea If he cheated, but it doesn’t matter. The kid is gifted!
@@CookseyMedia he's definitely an outstanding rider and the Deegans as a whole are not the types to cheat knowingly in my opinion. Brian's definitely a shrewd business guy and I don't think he would put his son at risk of bei g suspended from racing for at least a yr.
@@CookseyMedia What you are doing here is simple click baiting. 😄
Laughable.
@@CookseyMedia you are just trying to make money on deegans name and that's pathetic
*he was same kid that took haiden's line at southwick and made him crash so bad, search "haiden deegan southwick crash" on youtube -- im starting to think this kid just hates haiden and wants what he has*
It came up on the whiskey throttle show when ping visited star, they don’t run full factory bikes with the amateurs but they aren’t standard either, I expect it probably had a star head and ecu ect but it wouldn’t run the custom crank and transmission and such that the full factory guys do. Either way I’m sure star weren’t keen on any of their parts getting out
Someone here is paying attention.
Correct, the Star amateurs do not get what the Star Yamaha pro's get.
It's a factor in why Brian wouldnt let Haiden jump to A class. Haiden himself said in a video a while back that he wasnt going to get the factory stuff until he earned it.
Then don't use it...
@@kx250fforlife they didn’t use it, and if they did where’s the proof? I wouldn’t want anyone to have my last amateur bike either. That’s probably something they want to hang onto regardless I’d be pissed if someone claimed my stuff no matter what the cost is
Come on ...What is Star gonna say on Pings show...Yes Ping ...Haden is running a as close to a full factory bIke as he can get...The kid is a huge talent and great for the sport...But everybody needs to put down the Deegan Koolaide for a moment and see the Forest through the trees
@@toddmatson4179 soooo wouldn't every other kid out there under a factory be doing the same thing then? Isn't that what racing is? Bend the rules to get an edge.
Seems to be a whole lot of allegedly talk going on with this story. For one if Star and Deegan didn’t actually run illegal parts then it’s pretty fucked up to say they are guilty without any proof. That’s the worst part of Amateur racing. All the crybaby parents filing protests just because their kids suck and lost. It happened to me a few times when I raced as a kid. If they did cheat then shame on them but I don’t think they needed to or did.
Happened to me parents protested and they tore down my whole bike jus to find nothing and we got like 800 dollars out of it 😂
Full on. The ugliest part of any sort of racing/competition is the ugly parent syndrome, whether you are talking Jnr MX, BMX, or many other sports. My sons (and their parents !) relished the day we left junior MX for all the petty jealousy, bullshit rumours, outright lies, and all the other baggage that came with their success.
Agreed, seems kinda thrown together on some stuff
@@johnstaring3210 u are so right,it hasn't changed at all since the 80s when I raced..lol
Then why would Yamaha threaten to take a dealership away? Why did Yamaha make such a big deal about keeping the bike? MX is more about the rider than the machine. So many in MX don't think that though. MX is physical and mental fitness. Nothing to do with a little more power. After the rider it would be suspension, and then, at this level, not that important.
Given the fact that Star has had the fastest 250 for a while now, you’ve got to think they were highly motivated not to turn that bike over to a third party. So yeah, why bring it! That said, with how good production bikes are, wouldn’t it make sense for the AMA to have a production bike rule at the amateur level? We used to have stock and modified classes back in the 1970s, with the NMA, before there was a LL. There were Occasional protest over someone riding a modified in the stock class. My brother raced his stock bike in modified and often did better than he did in stock. Horsepower doesn’t play near the role in MX that people think it does. It’s more about usable power, and production bikes make more power than most riders can use. Hadens lap times with a stock motor are not surprising. Eli is the only factory Yamaha guy that hasn’t detuned the factory 450. He might go even faster if he did!
Its not about contesting the rider in this case. Its more of is Star using things that only factory yamaha can get? It may be a totally legal motor but say use a certain head or lifters or oil pump or rings and pistons that we average consumer can't buy for our yamaha. This is amateur where every ride should be able to be built by any racer. If you allow factory participation into amateur races well then what and or who's to keep them honest with any class? Its a great rule especially if AMA is allowing factories participate in the actual racing and have their own racing teams. Like Star Yamaha.
@@joepettus9045 then no more support from any manufacturers
@@joepettus9045 well Joe if you have enough money anything is obtainable. Do hire some of the best edgier builders and have them develop parts for your engine, that's basically what Bobby did at star.
I don't see average riders out there with exotic coatings on their forks and shocks. That's all obtainable just stupid expensive.
*I hope Brian Deegan and Star Yamaha sues this douchebag for accusing the deegans of cheating when they clearly did not and its all just fake news, Haiden was using an amateur spec bike. Here's brian's response to the bike claim **th-cam.com/video/AaV-XNzuqEI/w-d-xo.html*
I agree HO doesn’t make as much difference as people think. Heck that lance kid spanked the 450 C class on a 125.
You made a lot of claims without any hard evidence. I'm sad to see this has become a gossip channel, I really liked it otherwise. Maybe everything you're claiming is 100% true, but without providing any proof this makes you and your channel look really bad. I also think you're hurting Brennan more than you're helping him. Maybe you should have waited to release this video when you had concrete proof that Yamaha actually cheated. Seriously, not trying to be mean. Like I said, otherwise I really have enjoyed this channel.
I reached out to Brennan via Instagram and he had no idea it was out that people knew. This information was not suppose to be public and it’s terrible for this channel to release this information as well as not providing facts about anything he said
@@bison1638 it should 100% be public it would make people 2nd guess doing something to get under someone's skin because you are jealous they are better then you.
@@fjbfuckjoebiden8548 I agree but it’s in the rule book that they stay Anonymous and this video is all about following the rules so therefore he broke the rules by sharing this information.
You should have 100 percent proof before dropping a video like this, it's a mod class I bet there wasn't one kid with a pure factory bike .
Nobody from the team being claimed should be allowed to speak to the person or claiming. Intimidation tactics and negotiations are ridiculous.
The Coombs family is like the Mafia of MX. And let me tell you. Where I live there was a big ordinance that the township next to us was passing for noise and riding. There was a big meeting. Everyone in the area that rides went to. The news was there etc... Well the big deal was Tim Cotter was gonna be there and he is like the AMA spokesman or something big. He got up there a laid down a giant fart. I was embarrassed how he just got up there and really didn't say anything. He basically introduced himself and said what his job is. Didn't fight or stick up for anyone or anything. After that day I have never renewed my AMA card. He completely failed at his job. That's my firsthand impression of that guy. And the ordinance was passed. Basically the ordinance was something along the lines of you can't ride on your property unless you own a certain point of acreage. Etc it was Hampton Twp. In Pennsylvania. Allegheny county. I'm sure whoever wants can Google it
you r right brother, ama, felt, combs all suck.
Cotter has been full of himself (and sometimes $hit) for 30 years. He did the announcing at the fireball 100 in fawn twp. years ago and didn't mind making a few bucks from that though. I live in Westmoreland county and I remember this happening out there in Hampton.
damn i live in beaver county never had any issues
I want to hear more about the giant fart please.
Boss I live south of Pittsburgh south Fayette area is there a track in Hampton township. A closer track would be nice instead of going to switchback 51 miles away, or creekside 28 miles away. Now days more money for gas so I can moto longer.
Brian Deegan explained the whole claim situation on his livestream. Nothing to see here. Don’t have your title say deegan cheating. You know it’s horse💩
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these deegan cult people are messed up man, screaming and threatening violence to a child and his parent. Thank you Cooksey for exposing these frauds who obviously have some hush hush agreement going on.
I don't understand the rule for being able to buy someone else's bike. I feel like if someone wants to claim that their cheating, they pay a fee, and then the AMA takes it apart to see if anything illegal has been done. Not allow someone else to pay a shit ton of money and buy it. At the point, I'd rather throw the bike in the trash and take the penalty than let someone have it
It so you can't show up to a race with a $30k bike and smoke everyone. They can claim if to 150% of the msrp, meaning it would've cost that kid under $13k for Deegans bike and God knows it has more than that in it.
If you dont give the bike up they ban you for a minimum of 1 year
@@jacobcurtis6849 Yeah I get that. I understand why the rule is in place. I just don't get the reasoning behind being able to buy someone's bike. Like if I'm riding MY bike to LL, and some kid just has money and want's to take my bike, I'll throat punch that kid in the face. It'd be like someone wanting to buy your kid because I think they are on steroids. You're not gonna want to give up your child lmao.
Like I said, have the accuser pay a Fee to the AMA to inspect it, don't allow someone with money to openly buy another Team's bike because you 'think' it might be worth a lot.
its not about cheating at all. its about keeping people from dumping huge ammounts of money into a bike because someone could just go claim it for 2x msrp
@@Tanner731 yea, but were talking about mod class, not stock. There shouldn't be a cap on mod class and the claim rule shouldn't be allowed.
The engine builder for the kid is the one who put up the money anyways. It's not the kid wanting a factory bike to ride, it's literally the engine builder who wants the bike to take apart and find out star racing's secrets on a factory bike.
It's not like the kid is innocent, he knew what he was doing. He didn't pay with his own cash, his engine builder put up the money to take it apart. Not saying what Brian Deegan did was cool, but everyone is at fault nor are any of them innocent
@@brandonbuffa8968 LOL you are so out of touch with the spirit of the rule, the ama implemented that rule to make it a risky move to dump endless amounts of money into bikes so that it was still somewhat affordable for other people.
it doesn't matter how the kid got the money or if the engine builder wanted the bike so he could build haiden deegan spec engines (never mind the fact that they would never be cost effective because star has tens of thousands of dollars in proprietary parts that are not available to others in the engine and that the ecu is so locked and password protected the engine builder would never be able to duplicate it) the kid claimed the bike per the rules 100% legally and big corprate moto dicks conspired to fuck the kid over
A kit suspension alone can be north of 5 grand. When u think about it like that; plus other miscellaneous parts such as triple clamps, wheels, et cetera, then star could've easily had over 9k into this kids bike. Also, this is Deegans mechanics first year. I doubt the kid even thought about it like that. As far as the bike is concerned I'm gonna chalk that up to a logistical fuck up. Now Deegan and big man interrogating this kid is fucked up, that's not right
Just opinion regardless of experience your mechanic would have 0 to do with what the rider has for a bike. I'd be telling the mechanic what will be on the bike for specific series/races. If stars management didn't know Loretta rules they need to get their shit together
A kit suspension can be 20 grand
This is a trash rule and needs to be trashed and Loretta should do a tear down on all winning bikes. That would do away with the cheating. Also this kid planned this to claim his bike. And it wasn’t to ride on his TH-cam channel. That’s crap. He wanted to set back deegan and try to stir up shit. Well I can tell u I hope the kid don’t make it to the pros cuz I’m sure deegan isn’t gonna play nice with him.
@@adredsox79 If star didn’t get all upset about it there wouldn’t have even been a stir up so I don’t think that was the kid’s intentions. Honestly if it were me I would have just bought the bike just to make Brian pay me double to get it back. Or sell it on eBay a year from now when Haiden goes pro. Or sell it to Honda because star was dumb enough to put something they shouldn’t have on there…
@@motofreak2772 it's not Brian's bike though it's star's bike why would he buy it back?
I'm happy with the outcome, it was 250b mod class not stock. Such a bullsh rule, Sure tear it down to make sure it's legit but you shouldn't have to give away a bike that probably has huge sentimental value. I've watched Deegans vids for a while and he's kept alot of bikes of his and Dangerboys for sentimental value.
Solid rule
It's a great rule. And contrary to the drama queen Cooksey, the bike was within the rules and off-the-shelf.
Just because Star was upset about the bush league stunt pulled by the claimer, doesnt mean they were caught cheating. Teams like to keep memorable bikes.
You can be in favor of the rule (I am) but also know when the claim is a stunt and out of line (this is one of those cases).
This had nothing to do with the $ either as you can buy team bikes if you know the right people for about $6-7k at the end of each season. This was the principle.
Which is why the kid's own sponsor talked him out of the stunt.
exactly. he won the championship with the bike. why wouldn’t he wanna keep it. especially that being his last loretta’s
You’re not going to buy a modded out bike from the top 250 guy for $6-7k 😂 .. can barely even buy a random 5-7 year old 250f for $5-6k.
@@davidbiagi2932 lotsa teams sell their bikes. Employees pocket the cash.
Whatever you pay for used bikes has fuck all to do with what teams sell their leftovers for. A regular person has to recoup some of their investment. Team employees have exactly ZERO dollars into these bikes.
Like I said - if you know the right people you can buy the bikes. They’re not expensive. They’re totally rebuilt. But they’re also pretty worn out - especially the chassis.
Brian and the official should be held on something for what they did
They did nothing wrong the kid is petty and jealous of deegan and it was planned by him and his family
"Claiming" happens in auto racing ALL THE TIME. It's been part of motorsports racing of almost every type for coming up on 100 years.
RIGHT! And it’s not twice retail either!
They probably had a lot more in that bike then they needed for an amateur race which is why they didn’t want to give it up
Ya think?!?
you have absolutely no proof cheating was going on
Correct, hence the question mark. It does look bad though!
@@CookseyMedia so does your so called reporting
Cooksey is a clown for these claims with no proof to back it up.
I raced 14 years and honestly this is BS. That whole family has devoted there lives to motor sports. Get over it Haden is the cleanest young racer I’ve ever watched. Motocross is lucky to have Brian, Haden and the family. How about he wants to ride the bike after he turns pro. Your the looser and I’m 100% sure your wrong. I would fight because I want to ride the bike I trust. Get off of here your the fake blogger and journalist. Clueless. You and the rich kid trying to claim the bike are losers. Brian I love to follow your family and I ride at high point every weekend. Go kick some ass at the end of the season. Look at these losers and look how many bikes ever bought. Hardly 0,0,0 just do what you do keep winning. Keep winning and be safe. This guy acts like he was in the tent
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Damn bruh you don't know them personally but yet have their shaft that far down your throat.
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Facts
Motocross is lucky to have brian deegan is genuinely the worst thing ive ever read in this sport. Motocross would be lucky if deegans slimey ass wasn’t a part of it anymore
Nothing against deegan or the other party. Interesting to see the outcome.
Hilarious some of you are so quick to defend deegan. Exhaust sniffers.
Dumb move by that kid and his camp. As a Yamaha backed rider, protesting Yamaha's top rider at the race and one of their most popular riders overall is not a well thought out move. Sounds like clout chasing gone wrong.
I believe it was brilliant, and took balls. Good on Brennan.
100% the kid was jealous and he just wanted to try and get in his head.
What happens next year and the year after that if people claim factory support bikes. I'm sure the factory's will pull out support in those events and the sport as a whole will suffer, sponsors, you name it will, start pulling back support. Everyone will lose. Make a rule change where if someone claims that a rider is cheating they have to pay a fee to make the claim and if they are right then the fee is reimbursed and the rider who cheated pays a fine and gets a suspension.
@@CookseyMedia play stupid games win stupid prizes
@@CookseyMedia took balls to piss off your sponsors but was still stupid kid will be lucky to get any support going forward.
I really don’t think Star Yamaha would risk their reputation. Haiden rides the bike they give him. I don’t think he knows that much about motors to do anything illegal. The guy wanted to claim his bike, it’s the MSRP plus 50%. He backed out at the last minute. It’s a Star racing Yamaha, they made a bike just like they do for their national bikes. You can do anything to a motor you want as long as you don’t touch the piston! So basically they didn’t cheat in my eyes. We all know Haiden Deegan rips on a bike! If his bike was way way faster than any others he would of pulled the hole shot every moto! He did not pull the hole shot in every moto! Anyone can protest another rider, I know at Hangtown for the dodge national you gotta pay $300 and they can rip your bike apart. If something is illegal you get dq’d and the guy who protested gets his $300 back! If you are all legal you get the money and have to put your bike back together yourself! This is all allegations and I’m sure it didn’t go down exactly as you heard! But you never know! It’s amateur racing! Moto dads can get outta control when their kid gets beat by a faster rider! If you watch the Deegans TH-cam video it’s even brought up. Like the 50 class was on the gate and someone said after this moto there will be 250 protests from outta control moto dads. And I believe that Deegan raced the 250B mod class. 250B limited is the stock class. So I don’t see any fouls in this! Star built a bad ass bike, KTM did too cause Dax Bennick was hauling ass as well and even beat Deegan in one moto! Schoolboy Deegan swept but Dax was right there keeping Haiden honest. Just my 02 cents. Dig your vlogs Cooksey 👍🏻👍🏻
Is this the Motor builder? For LL it’s double not plus 50%. I don’t think they were cheating, but had some “factory” stuff they didn’t want people to see.
@@CookseyMedia you literally said cheating in the title and the video 3 times
Gotta agree with Jim, Haiden was running 250B MOD so the stock shit is out the window. For schoolboy I dunno what the parameters are, if it was stock or mod but if it's a mod bike in any class the claim BS is lame at best.
@@pinwheel1212 Schoolboy is a mod class.
That said, Haiden's bike was not illegal or even anything special. Star amateur bikes are pretty off-the-shelf.
@@ibelieve96 I agree with you, cheating is a strong word. Both of his classes are mod classes.
I want a podcast with the coach on this exact topic. Bring in some guests and do the full deep dive. This is not what I expected!
Cooksey has to be the single most unlikable guy around the motocross scene. "Cooksey Mob?" Not anyone will claim. That
I don’t do this to be liked! Guess what, I don’t like you either. 😂
@@CookseyMedia Haha. You'd never get a chance to ever know me. I don't roll with the "Cucksey Mob." Keep up your gossiping
100% he's a fraud
@@fjbfuckjoebiden8548 How so? The BBMX closing, the Feld and MX Sports Merger, or the Deegan to Star...etc. I know a few people you don't, so piss off.
@@CookseyMedia haha people said deegan to star before you. You don't know anyone and nobody talks to you. You just heard what the other said then you said it. You are nothing but gossip.
I feel they would have had the same response if the motor was stock just to send a message to anyone else that tried.
*Here's brian's response to the bike claim. The bike is from people's hard work **th-cam.com/video/AaV-XNzuqEI/w-d-xo.html*
@@racingwrld
A lot of rambling in that video… zero answers nor any kind of setting the questions straight.
@@wllms02 do you think it is a bit odd that no one has come forward with a video of the incident... no parents of all the other kids racing, no sponsors, no track officials, no other bike manufacturers like Kawasaki, Honda, KTM, Gas Gas etc, no one that witnessed the so called "mob" harassing the kid has posted anything about this or filed a complaint... don't you think the Parents from all the riders would have spoke up...
or could it be that someone made up a story and Cooksey Media is using this story for clicks...
@@traveler142
th-cam.com/video/8ZkJU8-IxMY/w-d-xo.html
The kid’s talking; and it looks like BD and the yamaha guys are shit heads.
For added context:
Haiden got in a wreck with this guy at the Southwick qualifier.
Maybe that's part of it
100% he's jealous and this was planned to claim the bike
The kid got 16th in 250b when was he even near haiden and could tell it’s a cheater bike
Maybe he wants to prove that his bike won’t make him any faster and that it’s all rider for performance? Unfortunately, Yamaha brought their factory bike and shit the bed when it was claimed
@@MrCanadaman99
250b is a mod class Isn't it... 250 limited is the stock class...
I think this story is all BS... this guy is just looking for clicks.
@@MrCanadaman99 is that what your boyfriend told you?
All these people commenting and don't have a clue about the stipulations for a stock to mod bike. Then those saying that Danger and his team not knowing if it was legal are just as ignorant because his Dad was his mechanic until the last couple races and he still looked over everything these new hands did to his sons bike. 🤔 He knew everything that was done and I doubt that he would put his sons rep or limits on the line for 1 race .. SMH
Any thoughts on the new series. They finally ponied up
I think its a bs reaction to wsx. Id rather watch wsx that more feld/mxsports bullshit.
If they have this rule the cost to claim it should be double the cost of the bike as it sits. So ad up all the parts cost and then double it. Aside from that it’s a rule they should only do in the stock class. Or eliminate the mod class altogether. If you have a mod class you shouldn’t try to limit that class in any way other than cheating. If you want to level the playing field so bad make them ride stock bikes. Absolutely nobody wants to do that. Well I should say most people do not wanna only race stock bikes. If you do that’s why there is a stock class.
You have the best comment
Putting a lot of money into the bike is not cheating but in the amature ranks the claim rule can beat you up. What sucks is its usually someone that cant beat you straight up so they want your bike.
Bro rich people in every sport have an advantage. Mercedes and redbull spend 500 million a year on development and destroy the competition year after year. Then you have amateurs with fully built bikes riding against kids actually trying not to spend a lot because of this rule, and star Yamaha being pussies.
Lame ass rule. Bring what you can afford it is what it is
@@cryptohammer2400 and this attitude is what got us here.
@@cryptohammer2400 it’s a sweet rule, if I’m running back of pack, and can buy a future pro’s bike for 18k I’m all in. Not to ride, purely to throw on a stand in the man cave
They probably figured no one would have the money to buy the bikes lol
Where did u get all this info from bc they way ur talking is as if u were there in the woods watching. Just curious bc the stuff I heard was about his sponsor and none of the other stuff
Well i mean he is a factory rider now, so if the factory gave him the goods, oh well Haiden still had to drive the thing to victory.
The amount of haters Haiden has just for his last name ofcourse they where defensive, nothing he does will be viewed as his accomplishments in some peoples eyes.
I've seen bikes claimed alot because they keep losing to the same rider and are spiteful. More often than it actually being a cheater bike.
From the comments I see more love for haiden than hate.
Of course it was the kid who got cleaned out at Southwick with Haiden. Probably just some hate for Haiden and not something to do with an illegal bike. He does not claim it if that at Southwick does not happen imo
This is ridiculous how this guy always hating on Danger and Brian! Basically just says they cheated without any evidence 🤦🏻♂️
If you watched the video, you would see that is not what I said. Idiot! 🤦♂️
Here is the AMA rule book if you want to see it, page 87:
americanmotorcyclist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/AMA_2022-RULEBOOK_PRINT.pdf
Since MX Sports is the promotor for Lorretta Lynn's, here is the link to the 2 times rule on MXsports website for the 2x rule:
mxsports.com/supplemental-rules
Go to section G, rule 4
The court is in KTM, Honda, Husky, or Gas Gas's court now. Get this kid a different brand to ride and make him successful. Bullying at any level should not be tolerated and the AMA should have done something about it.
I bet you were bullied lol
I could have sworn that there was some anti-bullying clause in the claim field too. Like, if someone conspires to prevent a claim, it's the same as having refused to yield to the claim.
@@therawlifefamily people need to stop being so weak and cry about everything
@@fjbfuckjoebiden8548 I bet I wasn't, but you are welcome to come try. :)
@@therawlifefamily There is, if you try and claim the bike to give it back to the owner or similar your at risk of being banned as well
The tittle of this video could easily have been How Brennan Scholfield and a Yamaha dealership in Canada tried to steal Star Yamaha’s secrets for $9000.
Could have been, or “Star blunders amateur race and allows bike to be claimed, secrets exposed”
@@CookseyMedia accept they would have had to blunder something. Winning isn’t a blunder. A more apt tittle along that thought process would be “AMA amateur rule blunder exposes how star Yamaha did what factory Yamaha and JGR couldn’t.” I get that the perspective of this video is possible. Just pointing out how there could be more probable possibilities. We all know Yamaha struggled for a long time until Star took reins in the 250’s and now the 450’s. Clearly they figured that bike out better than everyone else. So why would they want that out there? You said yourself Haiden doesn’t need to cheat. So what’s more likely. A shop like Star Yamaha has something to hide they did wrong? Or something they want and should keep to themselves they’ve done very right? Why would Star take the risk when Haiden might have been able to win if they painted a Suzuki blue and had him ride that? It really doesn’t make sense.
Steal? The rule is place for a reason. Spoken like a true fanboy!
Steal? By playing by the rules?
Could have been “ Sandbagger still needs to use equipment that other people can’t get”!
90% of what this dude claimed didn't happen, he just called a kid a cheater, even if what he's claiming everyone did to stop the claim, doesnt mean Deegan cheated, he could of raced JCoopers factory bike and it wouldve been Legal, so calling the kid a cheater is flat out BS, and he's doing it for Clicks, not goibg to work out well for him, and his hatred of David Coombs and mx sports makes him look Obsessed, it's a shame he had to acuse a kid of cheating when not one rule on the bike, or track had been broke!!!
100% he's pathetic and just trying to make money on deegans name.
That's so crazy! Not sure if I believe all of it, but if even half of it happened that way, it's still crazy wrong. Thanks for the scoop Cooksey.
I feel like if they cheated there would be a lot more out about this issue. This is the only content I’ve seen on it.
Too many bro media outlets who are afraid to report the truth. How many podcasts are sponsored by Yamaha? I was talking to them, but guessing I shot that in the foot😂
5ere is more out there if you look past your nose. This story broke over 24 hours ago.
@@CookseyMedia this was far from the truth
@@CookseyMedia do you have proof that the truth is Yamaha cheated?
No...he has squat. If I was Brian Deegan I would look into a slander lawsuit. Cookies practically accused them of cheating in this vlog. You can't defame people like that, even if it's true which it's not. He is lucky Brian hates drama, which is pro any why he reacted the way he did. Plus that's his son to. I would have went off myself if I was him.
Ya know, I’ve hesitated from subscribing from your takes on certain situations about riders. But you’re the only guy who’s bringing light to this “dark side” to motocross. I appreciate it and it should be more talked about. We shouldn’t play favorites in our sport no matter the audience they have or the bike they ride.
Haha this is a bs and he's trying to make money on deegans name. He's a joke and he's not bringing light to the dark side.
@@fjbfuckjoebiden8548 exactly! Ktm, Kawasaki husky all those kids are running factory bikes well over double msrp but putting haiden in the thumbnail will get more clicks!!
@@fjbfuckjoebiden8548 It's NOT BS for sure, I saw the whole thing go down when I was there. Were you there, or are you someone working for Yamaha/Deegan trying to clean this mess up??? I think this guy is doing a great job bringing the reality of the sport to light. Things like this should not happen. It needs to be an even playing field no matter who you are or how much money you have. Situations like this deter people from the sport once they figure out it's impossible to win against the factory boys. Totally bad for the sport we all have grown to love. I am sure of one thing, I will never own a Yamaha or give them an ounce of my money or sympathy.
Bottom line, you could give that bike to any other kid out there in 250B that isn’t already on a factory ride and they couldn’t get the results he has, end of story. Give the kid credit for his talent and his hard work.
He literally stated this multiple times. That’s not the issue lol, the issue is how far Yamaha went to cover it up.
@@strackmx3188 if there’s no proof they were cheating then why accuse them of it, I’d be livid if someone claimed my bike no matter what the cost of it is or what parts were on it. The claim rule is stupid and hardly ever gets used the fact that some field filler tried claiming his bike just to claim his bike was bullshit so I definitely see their side. The kid got beat by multiple other riders so why single out the Yamaha team? Just for the clout and the TH-cam clicks and it back fired.
Lol he did that several times in this video...
I know what I’m doing next year at Loretta’s, bringing my check book. Come intimidate me, it’ll be a hoot!
that not the point the point is bullying a kid for doing what the rules say he can do!!
TH-cam is a beautiful thing for conspiracies you can make an entire video state your opinions but have no rebuttal.
Haiden could have used the cheapest parts and the most common parts and star team still would not let go of that bike, period. That rule is straight-up just disrespectful.
ok but it is still the ruie !!!!!!!!
@@trentweeks1071 cooksey media just using the deegans for clicks and views for his channel, hes making things up.... so heres the response of brian about the bike claim th-cam.com/video/AaV-XNzuqEI/w-d-xo.html
This is bs. Give the kid the bike.
They (yamaha, promoters, officials) should all be ashamed of themselves. Rules are rules!
Just because they don’t want their hard earned R&D out there doesn’t mean they cheated. Doesn’t mean they didn’t. But picking one possibility out of many as a reason isn’t the truth necessarily so shouldn’t be looked at negatively. Could be something as simple as they want to keep the Bike as a piece of history. Could be they didn’t want another team getting handed a setup that took them hours and hours to figure out on engine dyno’s. Teams have engine builders. It’s a mod class. Just cause your engine builder isn’t as good as theirs doesn’t mean you get to basically steal that knowledge for the small price of a stock bike.
It sounds like it kinda does.
Yeah, the claiming rule is there for a reason. play stupid games - win stupid prizes - fairly simple.
If what is in this video is true, then i have lost all respect for star racing Yamaha… they knew the rules and should have been prepared to have the bike claimed.
It's to make the playing feild more equal. You can't compete with millionaires when your dad is a truckdriver.the rich just keep getting richer
@@WaltDorsey i bet your boyfriend is proud of you
@@Tmogangsta714 life isn't equal and never will be. If the kid has talent it's easy to see
I used to race dirt track a little bit and one of the classes I'd race was a claimer class. If I did good that night somebody would usually buy the car and I'd get into another one
so how did he cheat? is there rules on what can and cant be done to the motor? wasnt Dax on a factory KTM? slo did he cheat too? From what was reported on other channels was a claim had been made but was later redacted. does there always have to be more to it?
This rule is so stupid. It’s not all about the bike’s cost. Using my ‘04 RM125 project for example, it gets hard to find parts, so you might not be able to get new ones. Secondly, sentimental value. I never wanna sell the thing so it would suck to let it go. And all the hours of testing and labor are gone completely
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I think you all missed the point I don’t think it’s he was running unobtainable parts, it’s the thousands of hours into testing suspension valving, knowing where to and how far to port heads ect not that it can’t be purchased it’s the mechanical knowledge to setup his bike they didn’t want to just give it away regardless of the money.
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In 1982 at LL , top expert team green riders were riding Pre-production KX250's with single side radiator , and I believe aluminum gas tanks, that never were production . Kind of like a "factory bike" 🤔👌
I understand where you’re coming from but at the same time i don’t think people take kindly to a sore loser with daddy’s money trying to basically steal haidens bike. Those are the type of kids we’d stuff in lockers in high school lol.
so do you bully kids that are faster than you too?
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@@zbignoz.tunnlerwitz_109 pride boy you would be in a locker too
This is what giving everyone a trophy gets you. A bunch of entitled whiney sore losers. If you win, you get a reward, if you lose you don't get squat. Teach kids to work harder and earn it. Everyone doesn't deserve a trophy
O'Doyle RULES!!!
Did Brennan finish 2nd? Lol. He needs to worry about climbing up the ladder a lil more before claiming anyone.
He's petty and jealous him and his family planned this way before the race
I remember in the 70s some guy bought a factory Honda. If I remember correctly the bike pretty much turned out to be stock. lol. I’ll agree money does buy suspensions, but you gotta be able to handle and ride a stock bike to its fullest potential to start with. i don’t know anything about these 4 strokes, but back in the day that was easier said then done with a 2 stroke
Thank you for sharing more on this.
Rumor is this has been a thing going on from the 65 class
If he had A kit suspension on that bike the forks and shock were worth over 17K alone, definitely need to adjust the rule for the mod class to 3x msrp.
That’s the point. They dont want amateurs running A kit or works suspension. The whole point of the rule is to deter teams from building overly expensive bikes.
It’s a good rule.
The rule is there so people don’t spend that much on the bike.
@@S0RELOSER every kid in the Mod class has A kit, engine mods, ecu mods, etc… so any bike would be a bargain at 17K brand new.
Where did you get this story from and did you look up the rulings before the video because not a single ama rule you quoted was correct… I like your vids for the most part but this one feels different. Stories like this come with sketchy sources..
You know I actually thought if that rule was part of hymas doing so poorly was it his practice bike not the actual factory honda
It's a mod class, can't you run pretty much whatever as long as the displacement is 250cc? Can't think of anything that could be in the motor that's "illegal".
Is all of this shady, if true, yes. But cheating? Don't see it
Then why didn't they hand over the bike???
@@littlecaldwell2487 I wouldn't want to hand anyone my 20k motor, 10k suspension, 5k ecu, 2k wheels, do I need to go on?
Just because it's legal doesn't mean it's cheap, and secrets to success and horsepower are intended to stay as secrets
@@littlecaldwell2487 because Yamaha could have had some not ready for production components they were testing. It is a mod class, right?
@@ctsugusergroup1397 True, but those are components the average kid doesn't have access to. That's why the rule is there.
@@littlecaldwell2487 BUT, thats not the average kid class, its a mod class. if youre are an average kid, get in the 250C or limited
Wow you were out in front of this story by a million miles,, good job Cooksey,, love watching someone who reports and doesn’t care at all what others think 💯
0:30 hey do you have any other examples of bikes that were claimed? I never heard of Alessi. Has anyone ever been caught with illegal modifications? New subscriber here
What’ about all the other factory bikes that were there that week?
which ones?
Is this the same Brennan Schofield who crashed into Deegan earlier in the year at the wick?
Yes
In no way is this cheating. There are no rules determining what you can run other than basically cc limits. This situation would have been very similar if it was a Mitch Payton backed rider. Do you think Ricky's or Bubba's bikes were any different?
No what was it back then split fire pro circuit? That’s what happens when kids are that good they get the best shit…
@@CG-11235spiral Did anyone ever see AC's kx 85s those things were works of art, well any of the top kawi riders really.
Iv heard people in deegan camp saying if the kid went through with it, that nobody would ever sponsor him again, that's complete BS.
And here's why, firstly if the kid was super fast, he would still get sponsors. It's your ability on a bike that's important, not the ability to read a rule book and exploit a rule for everyone to use ?
Secondly, when he got the bike, and tested it back to back against his bike at his practice track or any track, and produced a massive lap time advantage on the star bike, and we all know he would be faster, this would present a few questions on who star yamaha should be signing?
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Damn man, thanks for the update! Nice insight
First off, Haidens bike is not a "factory" bike. It's not like say Levi Kitchens bike, which is factory. Deegan bike is a mod 250. Nothing illegal about it. He is just that good. The kids grown up on motorcycles since he could stand practically. He did a back flip at 10 years old FFS! He just knows how to rife really well and Aldo he's just sixteen and relatively small framed and light.
I hate when a kid like Haiden works his ass off to be great and people get jealous because he smokes them with ease so they start this bullshit. Put in the work if you want to hang. Get on a great team, like Star Yamaha racing. They know how to get these kids correct. Come on man, Carmichael mom trained the GOAT, and she trains the kids at Star frequently.
Leave the kid alone and just enjoy watching a champion being made!!
How do you know the kid hasn't worked his ass off??? Because his channel is not as big as Deegan's. All those B class riders at LL work their asses off, it's no joke to make it in that class, lemme tell ya.
And why did they throw such a fit about giving up the bike, if it was in spec??
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@@littlecaldwell2487 you are completely stupid but thats why your boyfriend loves you
I didn't saybthe kid didn't work his ass off. I said he needs to work a lot harder. They probably threw a fit because they have to deal with jealous haters all the time, just because they get smoked. Haiden is legit and so is star. They could have had proprietary mods on thoer that were perfectly legal but secret. Nothing days you have to share mechanic information with anyone. It's just a shitty way to try and harass someone just because they are better than you. Star does not give their amateur riders factory bikes for this very reason. Haidens 250 is weaker than say Levi's 250. Not the same at all. Haiden is just talented and fast, ran a sand tire if I'm not mistaken and just wins. People need to enjoy watching him instead of hating on him because he's a great rider.
@@littlecaldwell2487 wtf has a YT channel got to do with a riders success or talent?? 😂😂😂 Deegan's social media is so large BECAUSE he's such a good rider. And you seem to believe Yamaha "throwing a fit" is proof of cheating. That's the same as believing Brennan (a rider who doesn't even make top 10) protesting the winners bike who rides THE SAME BRAND, proof that he's just looking to smear the Deegan name🤷♂️
i like deegan. "Cheating" has been a part of racing since always. So what if he brought a gun to a knife fight. The bs after the claim was made is what makes the team look bad. Should have just took their lumps. Its a freaking 1cyl 4 stroke. What could possibly be in there thats so ground breaking? A variable length intake runner? A carbon fiber con rod? Lol.
I don't even see how a carbon fiber rod would benefit in a 4stroke really, there is a reason they're not even run in like IMSA or F1
Don't build a super expensive bike that many people can't afford if you're worried about losing it. Just my 2 cents. Everyone, not just the Deegan's.
Easy to say when you are the one on ebt
@@fjbfuckjoebiden8548 I'm definitely not on ebt. I'm over 50 and have many toys and property. Just looking out for the little guy that can't afford works suspension and a factory ecu. Also, I definitely with you on the FJB thing.
I would rather show up to a race with a damn near stock bike and still kick everyone’s ass than risk a factory star bike getting bought!
That’s all well and good for someone who is a nobody, but not for someone who is about to turn pro and is suppose to race a pro national in a few weeks. I’m sure star cares more about him getting time on as close to a factory bike as possible, maybe even went ahead and put all the factory stuff on it for Loretta’s just because, so he could actually get use to the power in a real race. But who knows. Either way, we all know Haiden is better than any other amateur now and it doesn’t matter if he’s on a stock bike or factory, nobody is beating him straight up.
@@davidbiagi2932 just imagine if haiden beats jett in the last 2 nationals. He's not doing it on his bike he had before lorettas. I think star didn't expect someone to claim the bike and if they did put certain parts and mods on it and it got claimed you need to back out asap if that sale. Hell if I was star I would be like sorry but we was testing him for the last 2 nationals with our factory guys settings to see how he fairs. So we can't give you this bike but we can give you his practice bike. I think this would of been better. But I'm hoping haiden beats jett personally cuz jett is cocky
Haiden didn’t cheat - he’s a kid that knows he’s fast and will win even if he was on a stoke bike. This title is bad for the sport.
Interesting to know, you guys have some weird rules in the states but I can see the reasoning.
Also the 13min video could have been 10min if you didn’t keep repeating yourself about Deegan not needing the motor 😁
😂Fair, but he really didn’t need it!!! 🤷🏻♂️
@@CookseyMedia funny that at the southwick qualifier Deegan got into a crash with a 409 on a Yamaha..🤔
According to Everything Moto expert Andrew bird… the bike was special because Star had installed a “highly modified powerband” on it. Expert Andrew bird went on to explain "For those of you that don't know, the powerband is only ever found on a full factory bike, and plays a huge role in the performance difference between a factory and stock bike” and that "that would make sense why Star wouldn't want to give up the bike and risk their proprietary powerband tech to be disseminated throughout the industry”… This guy Andrew bird must be a frik’n genius. How can one person know SOOO MUCH about racing motorcycles. With the secret stuff he knows, all the other bike makers should be trying to hire him… (…if they haven’t already). Andrew bird… YOU ROCK!!! (?)
Has Brennan Schofield 409 youtube channel been taken down?
Just what the sport needs... Look at Moto GP, their losing fans and struggling to survive, and now MX too. It's not just this incident. Lots of dirty deeds done dirt cheap!
I'm sure your boyfriend agrees with you. Just because someone says something doesn't make it true.
not sure what sport you're watching..... but MX is not losing fans!!
@@adamriggs6337 The MAV+ debacle is not the way to treat fans. Still waiting for my refund. There's a very good chance I will not be going to my local national this year as I do not support those that 💩 on me
@@dmelson7502 stay home and pout then!!!!
dude what planet are you on..? Moto GP is ripping... they are getting 60 thou fans at a race post CV19.... MX this year the outdoors is the closest / most epic battle for the title in years.... Plenty action... Plenty fans