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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ส.ค. 2022
- Excerpt from PulpMX Show 514. Watch or Listen to entire show: • PulpMX Show 514 - Cole...
Claiming amateur bikes at Loretta Lynn's Ranch is supposed to keep amateurs, well, amateur. But some of the spiciest stories come from these bike claims. Weege explains the process. - กีฬา
You get both motors if they swap. He was threatened and coerced. He was pressured to say he was not pressured. He's been damaged by Yamaha and Cotter.
He wasn’t pressured, he was threatened
and he lost his ride!!!!!!
He knew what he was getting himself into, and trust me, NOBODY wants to lose their bike. Claiming is a crock of shish…
@tripleeathletics Whatever it's a Bush league move. Unwritten rule that you don't do.
“I wasn’t pressured” is often said by people under pressure.
It's also said by people who weren't under pressure...
@@hawkgeoff and also said by people who are asked the question if they were or weren't pressured.
You know damn well someone from Deegans camp or Yamaha pressured that kid. Makes the Deegans look shady! Cheaters!
@@DN4AGDX if you think someone's cheating you file a protest(pg334).
@@hawkgeoff True, but it just sounds like the kid was threated in one way or another. Im sure he doesn't want to be the one to file a protest against the Deegans. You know in todays world the Deegan followers would harass the kid or his camp even if the Deegans say not too. Oh-well I hope everything works out for them. 🙏
They threatened to pull all his sponsors and his dealer would never get another Yamaha bike to sell. It’s obvious that Star bike was worth way more than $18k
Those sponsors actually still dropped him and took his bikes back. Even after he changed his mind.
62k to be exact
@@terrynicewonger5434 as they should. Regardless of the intent it was unnecessary, if you want a factory ride then earn it. I know there are rules that support and back him. But he had history with Haiden so it was all for drama.
th-cam.com/video/8ZkJU8-IxMY/w-d-xo.html
@@evanburke4269 Than why would they ever put a rule to do a claim on a bike? Watch from 0:44 - 1:16.
Yahama stopped this from the top.. wanting to pull dealerships over a bike is insane, terrible race decisions
You sure that's what was said? This is all hearsay,2nd and 3rd hand information.
I feel like there should be a lawsuit on that!
Yamaha can not just pull a franchise.i don't believe Brennan was never talked to alone no father would of allowed that to happen.i don't believe Brennan saved the money I believe his engine builder cut the check to sell Deegan replica motor packages.dirty all around
It's called extortion
@@denniswilder3014 it doesn’t matter what the motives for purchasing the bike were. The bike was claimed and anything “factory” they didn’t want the public to have should’ve never been in the bike.
Why are they threatening a kid who followed the rules and tried to get
himself a top team bike.
If.you had nothing to hide you would hand it over.
Cause the kid was acting suspicious. If you look at it through stars eyes, he seems suspicious in the way he went about it.
@@wyatt5712 The suspicious part is Brennan dropping the claim and Yamaha announcing they have signed papers saying he wasn't coerced in any way. All he had to do was say nothing and wait until the schoolboy class was over and the bike was his!
Not if the rider has a race the next day!!
Yamaha threatened the kids sponsor. That’s why he “changed his mind”. Tyler Livesay interviewed him.
he also lost his rides
The picture they are using for Weege is fn hilarious 😂
Kinda looks like Bill Murray 🤣
@@BusaJohnny1 😂
It seems 100% a ⭐ Racing mistake, and the fact that they get out of it scot-free is a shame.
There job for Loretta is to give the boy the best $17.000 YZF 250, KNOWING IT CAN BE CLAIMED.
No it's a 250b mod class
You ride what you bring
If you want a stock bike race the limited or stock class.
@@cw93711 except if you don't want your unoptainium parts and priceless tech secrets been bought for $17000 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@cw93711yea that’s the whole point, this bike was factory built worth probably ten times the amount the kid put the claim in for
You can hear the kid's side of the story on the Tyler Livesay channel:
"We hear from the racer who tried to claim Haiden Deegan's Bike at Loretta Lynns"
Hopefully the AMA will get involved, investigate the entire scenario and if it's found the kid was pressured to not pursue the 'claim', Star Racing should be heavily fined and Deegan stripped of his title. If they're not ok with that, they're hiding something.
The kid was offered a bunch of other shit in exchange... It's not like they refused and he walked away empty handed... Regarding the "they're hiding something" scenario, why not protest the bike (pg 334 I think) way cheaper than 18K. 41 riders in 250B, nobody filed a protest. The kid wanted Deegan's last amateur bike and got bought off... he, and or the engine builder that was behind this were making a business decision and nothing else... 18K for all of Yami/ Deegan R&D/ setup.
@@hawkgeoff There was an interview with the kid and he said he just wanted to ride a factory bike hes only 17 everyone wants to ride a factory bike. This isnt the government trying to scam people or something or this isnt even pros its amurater even if the kid is gonna do something its in the rule book and yamaha has no say in that.
Ye strip deegan WHO has Done nothing wrong of his title..jesus christ muppet
only if deegan was cheating or interfering should he be stripped of his title. as for the rest of these guys who have no clue wtf they are talking about. yamaha cheated including extorting at least one dealer and also this kid. they got caught and DO NOT want that technology in the hands of other brands...especially not for that low a price. you can quote me on that. ive got more time in this business than anyone responding here
@@peaceprayer595 you should become a full grown man before making that comment. But you're mostly correct
There is a video of the kid on another channel going over it. The kids local Yamaha dealership was threatened that they would never be able to sell another Yamaha again. Star and Brian Deegan pressured the kid in a meeting (with just the kid in it and not his parents) as well but he didn't budge off that. Then threats to ruin his towns dealership made him release the bike. Screw Deegans, Star and Yamaha if you bring a full factory 100k+ bike to an amateur event to start you deserve 0 respect. MSRPx2 caps bike builds or risk losing it, it's why the rule is there to create a level playing field. Unless your Yamaha, Star or a spoiled entitled Deegan. Lost all respect for those guys after that. Metal Mulisha used to trash kids that did this type stuff when they raced, now they are those brats.
There’s obviously been a falling out between Brennan and his trainer Matt Walker, possibly over this? If rumours are true the kid was seriously pressured to not follow through with this completely legit rule!
Watch Tyler livesays interview with him. Whatever corruption is going on is pretty fucked up!
@@jdeaton17 facts go watch the interview....
I’ve added the link to the Interview with Brennan. th-cam.com/video/8ZkJU8-IxMY/w-d-xo.html
@@jdeaton17 what’s really fucked up is that Brennans trainer, someone Brennan would have trusted and has formed a working relationship with over 3 years straight up joined in with the Bully tactics! That’s an abuse of trust and shows Matts true character. Thanks for the heads up on that interview
@@jdeaton17 I’m not sure if I really believe that kids story 100%. Some places he added unnecessary details, some places he dragged names through the mud and then later on kinda back tracked on doing that.
MX Sports, Brian Deegan and Yamaha obviously pressured the kid and his sponsors because he had the cash in hand to buy it and claimed it.... how hard is that to figure out.
He was absolutely pressured. If anyone(Star, Deagan’s, Yamaha, etc)wants to know how the public(people that buy dirt bikes) accepts this, I will tell you: the pressure that was put on the kid that claimed the bike means one of two things: either they were absolutely cheating(which I don’t believe to be the case, or it had so many expensive, unavailable parts that Star didn’t want that R&d on the street. What was allowed to be done to this kid in forms of peer pressure makes our sport look petty.
2 things and 2 things only; 1. ECU mapping. 2. Porting on the head.
no you don’t know what the really story is, there was an engine guy in Texas that was putting up the money “yes you forgot to mention that”, this was the same kid that that Haiden got into a track a few
months earlier, so there is more to the Story, plus the kid is on a yamaha bike too……
If they are going to have a claim ing rule you should be able to claim a bike with zero repercussions. This makes Star Yamaha look like bullies and poor sports.
@@damoncallaway5450 there’s still a claiming rule. The rest is irrelevant.
Fuckin A totally agree
fan + Shit = big problem for yamaha
lol...good one. I hope so. live and learn
Pulp has a great take on the claim rule. Glad to hear it!
Stories on other pages also include that Brain Degan and an ama official had the kid in a room by himself, all bad. And that the kids family was harassed by multiple camps. Yamaha also said to have called the kids sponsor (a Yamaha dealership) and threatened his dealership.
Think about how many bikes have been through LL over 30 years and only a handful have actually been claimed. Why? Because everybody knows the rule was to keep some mini dad happy because his son always lost 30 years ago. It’s a cop out and goes against what MX is. It’s always losers complaining about the winners.
Dude and all those stories started with kooksy! The truth is there will always be haters and haters gotta hate! Nobody knows for sure what happend but that kid and a couple other people!
Kooksey is like the fifth video claiming this.. I'm only here cause the degans haven't posted the rest of LL yet. Wich is kind of fish and coraberates the rumors going around doesn't it....
@@ryanknutson912 kooksy was the first and everybody else w as s just going off him except Weege on pulp mx he talks about it with more insight. And Brian was live today with facts!
@@sissywalker1955What Bryan says is fact? C'mon guy, im a huge degan fan. But this stinks to high hell. Someone doesn't claim a bike and magically change their mind ffs. This kid was coerced, no two ways about it man....
That rule is in horse racing too. So you don’t run a horse worth more than 25k!
I'm not saying there was bad behavior on the part of any of these entities involved (AMA, MX Sports, Yamaha, Brian Deegan), but if there was bad behavior it would be very tough for Jason to call them out on it given his need to maintain cozy relations with all of them. One thing seems certain, it should be investigated as there are reports of adults cornering and pressuring a child without parents present, and Yamaha making threats to dealerships. Might very well be rumors and nothing more, but it does seem to merit an investigation. One thing's for certain, Haiden is not a decision maker involved in any of this, and he would have likely done just as well on any reasonable bike.
Now that the kid who claimed the bike has told his story in person,I have lost interest in the sport of amateur motocross. I think that Haiden has talent for sure. But now he has a black eye on his squeaky clean personality, along with Brian. Yamaha should be punished in some way for their behavior. This makes me wonder about all the wins with KTM,they were caught with a big bore 50cc when Haiden first started. This is bad for Deegans brand,he says he has worked so hard for and invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in,just to piss on it over 17000.00.
@@stevewarren4821 yamaha should be punished if I’m not mistaken that is illegal pressuring someone like that with your factory contract would be illegal breach of contract that local dealership should be able to suit the crap out of yamaha!
If that was my dealership I would have immediately started recording the conversation and told them I’m sorry I got a bad connection can you repeat that? These people need to use their brains yamaha should
Have never gotten away with doing it as another sponsor should have stepped up and offered to sponsor the kid although it all happened too fast and behind curtains.
So
@@stevewarren4821 THAT IS THE DEEGAN BAD BOY METAL MULISHA ATTITUDE ....RIDE DIRTY AND CHEAT WITH CHEATER MOTORS? SQUEEKY CLEAN ? LOL THAT IS NOT HIS BRAND IN MY OPINION. AGREE THEY ARE SUCH BALLERS BIG SHOTS SHOULD HAVE 50G IN HIS POCKET TO BUY BACK THE BIKE AND LOOK GOOD IN THE END ....BAD MOVE I UNSUBBED THE DEEGANS
@@crashalexander7232 your reply does not make any sense.
@@stevewarren4821 yes it does your brain is broken read again slowly
According to some of the absolute genius’ orver at Cooksey Media… Deegan’s bike was special because it had “modified piston timing” and also that it had a “racing powerband” installed. Wow… those guys sound REALLY SMART.
I've lost respect for Cooksy because he is reporting all this crap,but it's all hearsay. He did not witness anything, so to me it's fake news which takes any credibility he had. Just my opinion
@@stevewarren4821 HE BLOWS KING MULISHA ON THE DL OUT AT THE COMPOUND!
TRANSLATION ....CHEATER MOTOR !!! SOUNDS LIKE STROKER MOTOR WITH CHEATER CAM TO ME.....LOL CYL PSI OVER SPEC? 15 TO 1 ?
@@crashalexander7232 OK Crash Expert… What…exactly… is a “CHEATER CAM”…? Remember… this is NOT a stock class.
@@gordoncalhoun4725 I commented afterwards about the kids version. Cooksy was commenting before the kid came clean. He came off like Haiden was cheating,or that's the way I perceived it. No need for name calling.
kid didnt go through with claiming the bike cuz he got threatened to pull sponsors
Good!
@@jamesadams2334 why good😂 don’t show up with a $100,000 bike when you’re 2 seconds faster then the pros.
@@Suckitupbuttercup407 should make it to where the bikes are tested before and after and have to fall into a certain spec. You don't deserve the r-d of a factory team if you aren't on a factory team. Every have the ability to buy parts and find tuners.
@@jamesadams2334 Good? The rule is there to prevent clowns like Deegan and Star from showing up with a $50K engine unless they want to lose it for $17K.
Weege sounds like Jen Saki… everything he is saying is protecting the higher ups… nice job, he is a “yes man”
Yamaha called his dealer that sponsors him in Canada and told them if the kid follows through with the claim, yamaha will no longer send him bikes to his dealership. So his sponsor called and told the kid wjat happened, the dealer wasn't even involved prior and out of respect for the shop that supported him, he withdrew his claim... There were other threats, Matt Walker and the kids trainer said some things to the kid he's been training for 3 years that I won't repeat... Matt has always been a loud mouth with a short fuse, but the way everyone pressured the kid, made assumptions, and cornered him a lone in the room with yamaha guys and Brian Deegan and berated and harassed a child without his parents present, well, that needs to be looked into
The AMA followed protocol, even said this is a rule that's legal and the kid has the right and did everything by the book. However, a guy that's with AMA in Daytona who has no pull or authority at Lorettas bullied the kid, he's been known to do this to many people. The kid didn't know he didn't have authority, it's real confusing about the different AMA Pro racing and the other one, they arent the same thing and that confusion benefitted that guy in the situation. So that's where the AMA are getting shit on by people but the actual AMA officials at that race did nothing wrong, they treated the kid and situation respect and followed the rule to the letter. That guy who faked his authority needs to be investigated by the AMA he works for. Brian shouldn't of cornered the kid a lone, neither should yamaha or Matt Walker setting him up by texting him to come by his pit and have Yamaha team members sitting there ready to tear him a new one, it was wrong on every level. It could of all been prevented if they didn't bring a factory bike to an amateur race, he didn't need one, infact he rode better with the other engine put in for the race the day after. Put in a lap that was faster than the pros by over 1.5 seconds and the track was worse than it was in the pro moto. Hayden has nothing to do with it, he rides what they give him and he'd win on a stock bike with some decent suspension settings. This is on Star and who ever made the decision to take that bike and engine package, not the kid who filed the claim or anyone else.
Don't bring something you're afraid to lose, whether it be money invested, or losing in house factory pieces that gives Star their secret sauce when building the fastest bike in the pro pits.
you sir are 1 million percdent correct. all these jack wagons answering out of insanity have no rippin clue how this works. ymaha got caught and they dont wan that bike to get into anyones hands. its total bs. arogance, cancel culture and woke bs at it's best. fk star and yamaha for these antics
From my understanding the dealership in Canada pulled their sponsorship from Brennan even after he withdrew his claim.
Kid was threatened he was totally pressured
100%
He definitely wasn't pressured by the people who weren't there.
that a bull shit lie... Brian Deegan said it himself not 30 minutes ago live...
the kid was not bullied or pressured.
Brian does not come off as a Cheater.
@@traveler142 it's true unfortunately 😔
@@Hard_R_Fridays unfortunately you've bitten a shinny hook... no bait.
you people are too gullible
100 percent threatened and had his sponsorship taken away from him by intimidating by the Deegans and his sponsors . Absolutely disgusting they did this
Lol they “bullied” him into not claiming the bike… hahaha crazy how everyone was apparently there to witness this. Or maybe behind closed doors they offered him more money than the bike was worth to not take it. To me this is the greatest money making scheme. go claim all the top mod bikes. They’re all worth more than double msrp
Yeah bro, negotiate a check with star to not take their bike. I mean ay, racing’s racing.
Where was his dad when they were harassing him for legitimately calling haiden out ?? If that was my son there would be no way in hell would I ever let someone bully my son and especially myself for doing what is right and just for calling out cheaters no matter what your Name is or who you are !
Who’s actually doing that though? 🙄
Tyler livessay did an interview with Brennan schofield and he very much so broke the story down into details and was bullied it went as far as he says the president of yamaha sat them down and literally admitted that the bike would be usuless to him because if anything broke he wouldn’t have access to the parts that right there tells you Yamaha was cheating to begin with anyways go watch the interview he has with him 🤷🏽♂️
@@kylerreese9997 Explain to me how you can "cheat" in a mod class
The purpose of the rule is to have parity at the amateur level. Perhaps the AMA should change the rule to something else, like tear down the motor and ECU for inspection, like NASCAR.
NASCAR is a joke and nobody watches it any more for the reasons you are suggesting. It doesn’t matter how fast that bike is if your ability doesn’t match the ride.
@@davidbeck305 true. But horse power matters at the start. This is why the machines should be similar at the amateur level.
They do haver that rule. Its called a "protest" and how Deegan's got caught cheating last time.
@@15007172 Agreed. I just would hate to see the rules beat down the sport. Its a double edge sword. Money and rules usually kill any competitive motorsport.
@@davidbeck305 Not following the rules is what kills amateur sports.
ok serious question, are there any mods that would disqualify the bike if the class is mod? i was under the impression that anything goes
its not about the bike as such....it could be a million dollar time machine with every widget on it...which is the problem..its not cheating to have it and race it..but if anyone can get there hands on it for cheap you are going to be in the poo....poor race craft and poor management desicions to run an expensive works bike in that class with those rules....how much better publicity if it had gone through and the young guy got an immaculately prepared bike with a great motor and awesome suspension to show off on you tube and race...would have been huge publicity for yamaha!! complete failure of management to fail to adjust to the class rules...this is what managers are paid for!
@@jdhart111 wow...great point. love it!
The rule is a great one that keeps amateurs on an even playing field. I’d like to see if Deagan could win without the Star works bike. Not saying he wouldn’t, he probably would still win but with how big of a deal it became you can tell there is SOMETHING shady going with this situation. Sadly, I bet this will be used to change the rule.
He would still win.
He has for 8 years lol. He stayed destroying at Loretta's on a KTM.
More like hes using a pro factory bike to a amateur race
@@melissakelly5813 ok but he then won out in schoolboy on a stock motor after, and then blew out the 250a at unadilla
@@billybalentine8065 and Deegans were cheating from the get go. They got caught with a big bore 50cc KTM.
Has nobody seen the irony in all this…. A rule like this exists to stop to rich kids / factory teams buying championships, and on the surface it makes sense and creates a very big problem for them if they do create a mega expensive bike. But this problem has always existed, when I raced several of the guys I raced against had two new bikes at the start of the season and two new bikes mid season plus they fitted them out with trip parts but here is the irony to claim a bike at Loretta’s you have have to be able to come up with the cash to buy two bikes and this is at the end of the season… it can only be done by the rich kids or big teams, the teams aren’t going to do it because they don’t want it done to them so this only leaves the rich kids… the kids who are genuinely trying to race motocross on a modest budget (who this rule is there to help) can’t make a claim on another bike because all there budget is simply going into their own bike/season. The other side of it is that factory teams are putting money into the sport, and the cool stuff they work on for the factory team eventually tricked down to the stock bikes anyway.
That's the thing, this kid was smart enough to work and put this kind of money aside, because he knew the rule and knew he could get his hands on an almost factory bike for a bargain price! Shame he didn't go through with it...
It was only $17,000 you don't have to be rich to by that, save for a month and buy it
To claim a factory team bike in the mod class where you can run modded bikes is ridiculous.
Plus to do it or try to do it says the kid doesn't care about racing cause all the teams will black ball anyone that did that.
Only happened 2or 3 times in history to factory teams.
Plus in that race there were 5 other factory teams.
Rule needs to go way of dodo bird in mod class
@@cannoncarpetcleaning uhhhh......what,
@@cw93711BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MOD BIKE AND FULL FACTORY TEAM BIKE...LOL DUDE YOUR A TARD !!!
Whose bike would you loved to have claimed over the past few years ??
Personally for me, Jeff emigs 150 last year !! But im sure this 38 bike would have been much better for around the same $$
You just missed your shot on the Emig bike... he sold it like 2 weeks ago for around 14k i think... slightly cheaper than Deegans haha
Mookie his 250 kx sr from a couple years ago would be sweet.. because it was James his 250kx sr race bike😎😁👍
There are a few interviews on TH-cam now, with Brennan & his mechanic, saying they were both physically threatened and threatened with loss of sponsorship, etc. Seriously, this a bad bad thing. And, it's why the Claimant withdrew his Claim. : //
BRO $18k for a FACTORY BIKE??? That’s a crazy rule, I don’t know why those bikes aren’t always gone.
Just note that of all the previous riders for this star team rode the same bikes at the same amateur races. And not one was claimed. Nor has one been claimed against any other factory am team. The only difference is the kid that’s on this one has a large following. He’s been targeted for the past few years and people wanna ride that clout train.
Created an account just to post this. Completely unbiased(Dont watch deegan or amatures). If the rule is that the bike can be claimed and the kid claimed it, something happened to steer the deal in the other direction. The only thing could have been pressure from others. Being that we know as a fact he was pressured by MX sports in basically an interagation(why does he have any say?), Brian, yamaha, that is complete bullshit and they should all be ashamed of themselves. Also weege says that "he wanted to break the motor down" then say " he wanted to ride it on youtube" Then divert away from the motor and go to an ECU is bullshit. I would call the team out if that was the rules just because its the right thing to do if they had more than 18k in the bike. Because clearly they did. Deegan should have his win rescinded for this. Clearly money rules in the sport. All you amature parents should be livid! He doesnt deserve a title if he violated the rules, then was defended by the industry....
Even if this is the case As if he would not have smoked everyone on a bike under $18000 anyway!
doesn’t deserve the title 😂 he just trains 24/7 for the fun of it you reckon 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@ashleybevan426 Ok. Four things:
1. Ok, You are saying its ok to cheat, because he would have won regardless right? So your saying its ok to cheat? Not a great argument.
2. Put yourself in your those shoes if your a rider in the class. If someone is breaking the rules, how would you feel? I guarantee you would have a problem with someone breaking the rules. No?
3. What better advantage could you possibly have being in 250b with a works bike when you should probably be in another class with that kind of bike?
4. Didnt he smoke everyone with a different, ALMOST POSITIVELY more cheap motor? Yea, so why cheat? Because it means big money for big companies and wealthy and important people. Do you like being controlled by corporations ;-) ? Do you like even being controlled by your significant other? Government? Yea, thats what I thought.
I would love to hear a logical response.
@@jksynergy not cheating the rules say modify never says what you can/can’t do to a bike it is more a way to limit money spent
A claim is a purchase. They offered something better to Schofield and he decided he liked that better. No different that going to buy a car that you feel is worth more than the seller thinks and then the seller says, instead, I'll give you both of those other cars for free, I decided I don't want to part with the last car my kid drove. Been all over the rule book... if they denied the "sale" his results are pulled. It wasn't denied. It's not like they refused a tear down after a protest.
Spending more than 18K is not a violation. The rule is just to discourage anyone not to spend much on their bike because anyone can claimed your bike for 18K even if you cost 30K on your bike
Nice job taking the fun out for the kids
@Cozo the Blown Integrity
Wrong Steve, he did get blackballed. The kid lost his sponsors.. boycott those companies that cant follow the rules and like to screw over the little guy racer.
Lol I love hearing this story from different level of sources. From the top big sources, the kid wasn't pressured. From a few smaller hardcore sources, the kid was trapped in a room like a criminal while different officials along with BRIAN FUCKING DEEGAN came in and "explained" why this was a bad idea lol. Like fuck 🤦🏻♂️😂
You'd have to be a fool to think there wasn't life changing pressure applied on him. In the big picture an amateur rider shouldn't be racing an amateur race on a full factory bike.
There was so much pressure on the kid not to Clam the bike by Yamaha. Yamaha had a works bike at Loretta Lynn and did not want to get caught.
Some body need to be Fired at Yamaha. Haiden was put in a very bad spot by someone at Yamaha.
I hate when people try to say situations are complicated. It’s not. The rules were violated under pressure of threat. Not complicated at all.
Answers are in the interview with Tyler livesay. Basically yamaha pressured the dealer to recind the riders sponsorship if he went through with it.
How heard Yamaha threaten his major sponsor back home and if he went throw with it that dealership would loose it’s franchise.
His sponsor owns a dealership and it was threatened to be taken away. Fact. Dig a little more people. He was confronted multiple times by adults. They should have just gave him the bike.
The kid was Yamaha support going after Yamaha’s top amateurs bike doesn’t win him any favors I’m sure Yamaha told him withdraw the claim or lose your support.
The Deegans have been accused of cheater bikes since Haiden was on 65's. I'm not going to take anything that Cooksey says at face value when it comes to the Deegans because he always likes to stir the pot with them. Maybe this is a chance to take away some of the professionalism in youth Amatuer racing and get rid of pro level teams at these events and also maybe it is time for the AMA to introduce MX3 / SX3 for these young riders from the age of 15-18 to show there talent.
and i’m watching brains live right now and he says it’s technically illegal to clickbait his name since he’s only 16
Well it’s easy to till this was a cheater bike or they’d just sell it ( by rules have to or they’ll be banned from racing for up to a year ) but no they have a free motor away and let the kid use it in a TH-cam video.
Cooksey is a scumbag!!! He did the same thing last year before lorettas when he started the star Yamaha rumors..wont be long before he burns all of his bridges and is left stranded on METH ISLAND
Accused? He got caught running a big bore kit at least once on 65s. If you aint cheetin' you aint a Deegan.
@@bbdl7042 That bike is what haiden uses every single day, that yamaha amateur spec bike has been tuned and modified to fit haiden and what he likes, so many hours of hard work from people and you think its okay for another engine tech to just take that away coz he wants it??? It's not right dude, if you want a fast bike you work for it, you dont just grab someone else's. Thee deegans are a class act and they always abide the rules, people are just so jealous and wants what they have without putting in the work.
I heard B. Deagan put up a video, since he was mentioned to intervene with the buying rider, against Cooksie and then pulled the video away. Seems like some back door conversations happened.
Changing the motor would have benefited the rider that claimed the bike. Because he would have got the engine that was removed and the motor they put into the frame
Still pushing for Deegan for sure. Want to see his success continue. But man. Go to Vital MX. They have and interview with Brennan Schofield (may have name slightly wrong) the kid who claimed the bike saying what happened. My perspective is the rule is the rule and should be followed. No one should have special or preferential treatment.
I will never be a fan of the Deegan family. They are horrible people!!!
yes, on a differnt brand will be fine
If they want it to be fair make it to where the bikes have to fall into a certain spec
that is the entire plan of the claim it rule. yamaha got caught investing WAY more than they should have including components they don't want anyone to get their hands on. they extored both dealerships and this kid in the process. it's the new fked up way america thinks. piss on everybody...its a cancel cultrure woke type bs
I like the photo they picked for weighing like the photo they picked for Weigandt! That hair lol
What do you wanna bet that "IF" it had been claimed.....it would have rolled into the trailer, closed the door and the world's fastest engine swap would have taken place.
His Yamaha Dealer/Sponsor in Canada was threatened that Yamaha would pull their bikes . So he backed out by getting bullied by Yamaha.
He was pressured. I started racing motocross in the late 70s , the factory porting specs on Marty Smith,S factory Honda slipped out, a friend of mine had a local guy do it to his Honda Elsinore….. he couldn’t even ride it it was so rad. I’m glad to hear LL place is still going. There’s so much money in pro motocross now. Unbelievable
I forgot all about the porting specs coming out. The Elsinore was nasty enough without the crazy port job. I met Marty at a party about 10 years ago and he was telling some great stories. RIP Marty.
Broke the rules, then used bully tactics to get out of the situation.
EXACTY....fkn pos cheaters all around
Yamaha made some serious threats to the young man who made the claim, and did this wen his dad wasn't around. Pretty lame on Yamaha.
I just don’t understand why they were running such a motor when they absolutely did not need it.
Because it's R & D. Deegan had several different classes to race so one moto (as witnessed with the wheel) won't knock him out of all the championships. Star can test many different things for power, type of power, longevity, etc. without taking chances at an outdoor National or Supercross loss. If the AMA would have torn it down in private to check if anything was illegal then everyone would have an answer and Deegan would be $18K richer and there would be no controversy. Just another whiney dad stirring the pot for "what if".
That's not the point.
He got a faster time on a stock motor after it was swapped.. so that answers itself it doesn't make a difference it's just confidence
you can run a mod motor in the mod class. star, team green, and ktm all have mod motors in 250 B.
@@jamesadams2334 This was not a protest. It was a claim. AMA does not look at the bike. Someone buys the whole bike and keeps it.
The kids sponsor owns a Yamaha dealership Yamaha called the sponsor up and told him we are going to cancel your contracts with us if this doesn’t go away. the kid then had no other choice but to reverse his actions
So basically Deegan was riding a Pro bike in Amatuer class? and the factory didn't want anyone to discover they were cheating?
They didn’t want another guy running his bike…
more importantly they didnt want the technology that was in that bike getting out
@@peaceprayer595 the engine was Pro spec build in an amateur class hat's what the issue was they didn't want to get caught out for cheating.
@@davidbjorkholm310 no they were gonna let the dude take the bike with another engine there was some low-key cheating end of discussion and it would have burned deegans reputation but that shouldn't take away the kids ability as champion rider but it would have.
What a good idea claim his last amateur bike and sell it when he becomes the goat later in life
Allegedly Yamaha threatened to pull the kids sponsors dealership.
Holy shit… what?!
Yeah and they should the kid was Yamaha support so why piss off your main sponsor by going after their top amateurs bike. He did it for clout to make TH-cam videos and it blew up in his face.
@@jonruger he should blow up in Yamaha and brains face with a massive lawsuit. While you at it force the one year ban of the spoon fed 15 year old for the refusal to sell.
@@jonruger no, that was an insane tactic (if true) by factory Yamaha. Why should a dealer lose his livelihood because a kid he sponsors enacted a rule he was completely entitled to? Super naive move by the kid but that's an evil and unethical response by Yamaha. It's just supposed to be an amateur bike, right? Why the fuss? If true, I would consider never dealing with Yamaha. Yamaha threatened to cancel the kid and his sponsors business! Crazy!
@@infidelmat that definitely didn’t happen Yamaha will not pull their product from a dealership over this and yes they absolutely should pull sponsorship from someone who disrespect’s their brand in that way. If you are a nobody you do not go after the top guy riding for your sponsor that is idiotic.
This is a great big smear for Star Yamaha. They should be ashamed of themselves.
this video is like listening to the government interview themselves and finding no wrong doing.
Lol
Nice 1988 flashback photo of weege... Mullet Monday 😂😂
i want to see a statement from the AMA and Mx Sports about this.
They had a few factory parts on that bike cams for one probably a gearbox valves and or head that’s why
Ima bit confused ? On this said rule?
Less about the cost and more about the time and technology put into developing it specifically for Haiden and his style. It was not a "Pro Bike" it was a Haiden's Bike thats why it's priceless, irreplaceable and one of kind.
One of a kind.... just like all of Haiden's other Star bikes that are set up the same way. They signed the form on the bottom that has the same rules everyone else has to sign before they raced. Anyone in that class can claim it for 2x MSRP. In this case, someone did.
They said being Yamaha his sponsor would lose his Yamaha dealership in Canada and a bunch of guys jumped him at night I live in Tennessee and they pretty much blew the top of it two adults bullied him to giving up
Sad as hell. Deegans have no class and politics in moto is bullshit
We do know why he backed out. We know who the players were.
Go on..
Watch the buyers interview. Very interesting.
I heard he was harassed in the camping area all night! Then he was confronted by factory Yamaha also! A factory Yamaha rep contacted his Canadian spouncer and threatened that dealership to pull their franchise away! Then he folded the reclaim! I also heard Brian Deegan and a unufilliated MX spouncer took the Seventeen year old in a closed room to talk to him behind closed doors!
Ya it was Tim cotter
You can’t trust someone who cannot spell ‘sponser’ ... in the sea, pal
So in this world of phones in everyone’s pocket, is there any video of ANY of this harassment, intimidation etc. Not saying it didn’t happen but, hard to believe NO ONE got a minute of video, especially considering it involved the Deegans.
I love all the “I heard” claims….does anyone have any proof….first hand/video?? Has Cooksey or PULPMX called the kid and had him on to tell his side?? Why not??
@@greglawson3805 right. You have one guy that TH-camd a bunch of “alleged” facts that he even kept saying was alleged and now all of a sudden those have become facts. It’s like CNN of motocross. Is what is a shame but always happens in ALL sports is the cry babies that can’t and don’t put in the work try to bring them down to their level. I hope the Deegans don’t even succumb to the BS and drama and just go keep winning races. The dude just dominates and doesn’t “dust “ off his shoulder etc. kid is winning the right way. With hard work.
At the point where brennan's dad wasn't allowed in the room is where sketchy took over. How did that happen?
I remember Marty smith had his bike claimed back in the 70s , Honda was afraid to bring out there factory bikes really didn’t know how that worked but AMA changed the rules after that , the guy that got that factory Honda gave it to Cycle World magazine and they tore it apart and compared parts to a stock bike and there was no comparison
I was there and it was Mickey Boone trying to claim the RC 125. They never got the bike because the AMA was spineless and their rules don’t apply to the factory teams.
I thought it was Cycle magazine that got the bike.
Steve this has nothing to do with Deegans it is a factory machine! They admitted it when they said you can’t replace the parts on it!
Anyone who was not present knows what really happened, just hearsay. The claim doesn't bother me as much as the threats during the night. That's not how Brian would act,or so I thought.
If the threats were true i dont think they werr from brian or the deegan side. star yam has their own agenda wit deegan. Deegans jus a number to them
Not hard to figure out why he backed out. They would of black balled his ass right out of the sport and the dealership that sponsored him wouldn’t have ever sold Yamaha again. Bunch of bull shit if you don’t like the rules don’t play the game or work to change the rules.
I don't know who the guy on the phone is. Definitely a dig in fan boy
When you get out rode your going to cry .
That told we all have modern 4 stroke factory bikes we are paying for it but thats what we are riding....i ride a yzr 426...an later an 07 hinda 450 CRF...an held it pinned for 8 minutes straight on a very cluttered acre behind my friends car lot...after having 5 or 6 years of terrible stock hondas...i figured i take out my jaded anger on this 450 honda....good thing the back brake works...the front tire never got within a foot of the ground fir the whole 8minutes...smiling so much i gave my friend his bike back thinking put this in the truck an i will get to holeshots at a national...it was very race able in stock trim...which had not been the way from 89 to 94...my last bike was a 1996 CR 250 R...i quit racing because working an racing 3 days a week i just couldnt do both but i spent the next year on an off getting the suspension like a factory bike an i did...the way u see Eli yamaha working thats the way i got my honda to work...my friend did the suspension 4 times for me...and the 4 th time it was whoops smash proof...i had a 1990 KX 125 Pros bike that was suspension was set up fir gatorback MX national...an that suspension was so perfect i could go into 5 foot whoops an not spill my latte...that was my target setting
I’m not with either side on this but I would be pissed if my bike was claimed because I guarantee this bike would have ended up being with all Deegans other race bikes in the garage which is cool to have all of the bikes that you have won championships on but I also get the rule for making it fair and don’t blame the kid for claiming it if he wanted to do a TH-cam video about the bike that would have been a huge video or if he straight up wanted it for racing next year because you won’t find a better bike then a star racing bike.
The kid would have got destroyed if he posted a TH-cam video the comments would have been ridiculous
@@nickcollins1528 I totally agree but the views would have been insane which is what im guessing was there only goal
@@yu-gi-boy-tcg I don't think It was for TH-cam I believe the engine builder story. Engine builder told the kid to claim and he would pay for it. Engine builder gets cheap r and d
And taking that path would have defused all the thoughts of cheating. Just offer the claimant something else. But they didn't, they chose to go the all out intimidation route.
@@nickcollins1528 Agreed...
How do you buy a tune? A bike can be mechanically duplicated, but if you don't have the winning tune to go with it, where are you? Tuning is everything.
Everyone go watch the video Tyler Livesay just made with the kid who claimed the bike, he tells the whole story of what happened.
Just thinking how about the AMA suspension for the one year. Like the rule book States ?For not following the rule book and harassing a kid.
perfect...love it
Dude lost his main sponsor and all his bikes…. Pretty sketchy situation!
Yamaha that the kid rides for was told if haden loses his bike the owner of his team that owns a yamaha deler ship will drop him as a dealer ship so the owner told the rider to leave the bike alone
So are you saying... If I go with my bike and somebody wants it. They pay me for it and they get the bike.... Even if I have no intention of selling my bike?
Yes
No. If your bike gets claimed you can say no
But they have to pay double retail price. It stops people dumping bulking $ into a bike. Keep it under double retail and if someone claims your bike you’ll make a profit.
Bro should run what his sponsors give him, business is business
He was fucking threatened!!! He was gonna lose his race bikes and his main sponsor was threatened his shop would never get Yamaha bikes ever again on his showroom floor. This is shady as fuck.
correct
I heard that the kids dad felt the pressure to stop it , possibly had hands put on him
You know it was a while back but When John Dowd got his full factory ride at yamaha....john was saying how he got to ride it an was still practicing on it because it was so much faster he had an unbeliebeable time adjusting to it...bought a brand new 1997 KX 250traded it to a friend..who took the whole motor an sent it to Tom Morgan to be done Mike Larocco pro factory race engine builder...i hated the stock motor...so my friend was adamint about having me ride to show me how bad ass it was...boy was it i was on my way to turning pro neck injurys from car accident stop it...but i rode that tom morgan motor it was do awsum like dowd was saying i crack the throttle in a turn the whole bike tryed ti shoot out from under me not wheely it just lunged like a mexican bull...i came back ti the pits thinking this is what the pros ride no wonder they kick ass...to be able to stay on top of that kind of lightning power was a feat itself peace yall...thanks for the update....good news....thanks no sale
Funny how Brian D. has said in the past that he didn't want things held against his kids that he Brian had done racing in the past. Then turns around and does this crap, I know money usually wins. I have lost a lot of respect for B.D. and star and the AMA for allowing this to happen.
In my humble opinion if you want to see good racing make it so all bikes are even, I realize the factory's dump a lot of money into this sport however I think if you take the works part out of racing it would level things and put the race back into the riders hands. Then we would see if the top 10 are as good as they seem be
Remember when deegan use to “fight the man” now he is the main using the corp yamaha machine to push people sround
Same as he said he wants all the stuff he didn’t have for his kids but other kids can’t …it’s in the rules there’s nothing wrong with what he did defenatly lost a follower👎
Brian doesn't have anything to do with Star racing or his son's racing other than to act as cheerleader.
Haiden is a employee of star racing the factory Yamaha team
Lastly this is the mod class.
Not the limited or stock class.
@@cw93711 idk who you’re argueing with that’s all true but the claim rule is allowed so he can also claim Haiden while
He says they complained to Yamaha and Yamaha told his sponsor to kill it
deegan is doing a live stream talking about this. he said nothing happened at ALL!!
And he didn't seem truthful.... never thought I'd say that but you could see it in Brian's eyes. A sad day all around. Truth needs to come out or this will be a permanent stain on his name. Noone is saying Haiden isn't good but this reeks of BS.
@@Hard_R_Fridays You’re mom reeks of B.S 😂😂😂
@@Hard_R_Fridays You reek of BS 😂😂😂
Mob rule and "You NOT I follow the rules" by all of our elites in our country. F-star racing for saying what I heard and what I heard was "IF YOU CLAIM THIS BIKE, WE WILL TAKE YAMAHA SALES LICIENCE AWAY FROM YOUR YAMAHA SPONSORS AT HOME" I would have loved to be there. I would have helped buy the bike.
You think Star Racing has the ability to influence Yamaha dealerships? LOL
Matthes had to tell him to get with the story, because he was vacillating all over the place.
The simple way to not worry about a claim is just run an actual factory bike... If they were running a factory bike they would have been glad to sell it at double the price!
They swapped motor for School Boy Class. Needed off the shelf motor for that class. They would have had to give both motors to them
I can connect you to the engine builder who claimed the bike. They were strong armed to give up the claim
Let's hear it
That's what iv been hearing too bro