How Far Can a Tesla Cybertruck ACTUALLY Tow? We Compare It To a Diesel Truck!
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0:00 Intro
1:19 Ram Cummins vs Tesla EV
2:05 Cybertruck Trailer Setup
3:06 Let's Drive! pt.1
4:37 Cybertruck Trailer Hookup
6:56 Keep Driving! pt.2
8:25 Trailer Specs
9:16 Keep Driving! pt.3
12:12 Under the Hood
13:08 Keep Driving! pt.4
19:33 Unhooking to Charge
21:09 Results
22:56 Trip Cost Comparison
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Ok, I expected the Tesla range to be horrible, which it was, but I did NOT expect it to cost more to recharge than to refill the Ram with diesel. What a joke 🤣
Most don't. Electric is only for home charging there you can save a lot of money but why would you want a Cybertruck then? Just get a cheap EV for a runabout or short commute. A better option is to find a good plugin hybrid that can do moist things well enough for most.
That was surprising. But that was some damn cheap diesel. It's about $4.65 here in PA so the Ram woulda been $40. I'd still pay that vice waiting 2 hrs. every 80 miles.
NE Tennessee diesel is well under $ 4.00.@@Dusdaddy
We always knew the range would be garbage and the experience of towing and stopping constantly would be garbage… what this did was put numbers to it. Not surprising on any front (except maybe the price of diesel!) but still a good experiment to do once and for all.
@@Dusdaddy diesel here in south Texas is $3.49 a gallon.
Wait until the govt starts adding road taxes to each recharge at the same rate they tax gasoline.
Oh yes, its coming.
That has been proposed in Michigan and with our governor it will happen. EV's are a scam to get people to give up their IC cars.
Texas has a road tax that is paid once a year when renewing the tags on EVs.
Wait till the government starts taxing gasoline real high to get gasoline powered vehicles off the road!!
The government is going to make it impossible to drive a gasoline-powered vehicle they're going to luxury tax it to death!!!
Just wait till they start taxing gasoline and gasoline powered vehicles so high that people have to switch to electric...
It's coming... Good ole USA....
The Ram is the right tool for the job, the Cybertruck is the right job for a tool.
Any diesel truck is better than the cybertruck.
@@HugoMendez-qy3lt ANY truck is better than a cybertruck, and I'm including KEI trucks in the comparison.
@@wolfman9999999 I do not disagree with you one bit.
Take the Ram truck away day over the cyber truck
@@wolfman9999999kei trucks put in more work for their size than most trucks. They’re designed specifically for service
Last summer I drove my 1999 Chevy Suburban 6.5 diesel from south NJ to Belfast Maine on one tank 42 GA and got 19 MPG During a heat wave 90+ degrees AC on the whole trip with front & rear air, packed to the top with vacation gear...Not bad for 25 year old technology....
In-atmosphere vehicles on the ground do better in thinner air. (Some lower end aeronautical vehicles that tend to prefer thicker air have worse range in thinner air, but some higher end aeronautical vehicles that act more like rockets or compress the air better for their engines and prefer thinner air have better range in thinner air.) My point: the CT would also do a bit better in that summer weather, too, but nowhere near as well as your diesel in summer.
Diesel engines are very often turbocharged so the truck will perform identical at higher or lower elevations. The air is forced into the engine above atmospheric pressure.
Make no excuses for that abortion of a truck
That gets better fuel economy than my V6 mustang...
No No No No No! You must be mistaken!! Your Government overlords are demanding that you STOP USING such technology right away!!
It's for your own good!! THEY know what's best for you!! They wouldn't lie to you would they?
So please stop using the 1999 Chevy Suburban IMMEDIATELY!!! ......(its for your own good)
Exactly that's why I kept my suburban it's a 92
So from San Francisco to LA it takes 14 hours with a Cyber truck. Takes a Cummins 7 hours. So not only are you saving time. You’re saving money. And you’re towing safer.
But you don't look cool while doing it. Some ppl forget what a truck is for.
EV are 10x worse for the environment also!
@@tristenklein5940 The fact that rednecks actually believe EVs are worse for environment is actually depressing. People will believe anything.
@@louperez921Cybertrucks make you look like a tool more than look cool. The vast majority of people think the car is ugly and ridiculous.
Pulling an 8,000 pound trailer at 70 mph is rank ignorant and completely illegal in California. This comparo was tilted like an old pinball against the Tesla. These two Titans are about as responsive to change as Steam railroad engineers were in 1940.
"we're low on power captain. 10 miles until next charging station"
"Kill the lights and radio, divert all power to the main engine"
"I captain, on your mark"
"Engage"
Mr. Scott was not on the enterprise at the same time as Captain Picard
Nice
@@lakoncers13 so cool how you hear a Scottish accent, I wasn't going for that, but thanks.
She’s dead Jim.
Aye
What have we learned today? The cybertruck isnt a truck.
We all know if they called it the Cyber Super El Camino, it wouldn't sell.
I think we learned that when we learned there was a cybertruck
Its definitely a Truck Not.
neither is your sh!!ty 2010
@@DaedalusHelios I dunno bout that. El Caminos were pretty popular. Still see them around even.
Maybe if instead of doing what they did, they targeted the epa created void that is the light truck market, they could have really had something. There's a *whole lot* of guys out there that aren't needing to tow campers and huge boats but want a light utility truck to do things.
Then again, maybe not. Maybe the batteries are just too heavy to make a light utility truck style EV practical. What do I know?
I have a 2014 Super Duty with the 6.7 turbo diesel, I hauled a 18,000 lb trailer 600 miles I stopped once for diesel. I was going up Interstate Hills at 1/3 throttle. The hitch is rated at 15,000 lb.
Kudos to these guys to work so hard trying to say something nice about this non-functional "truck"
So every hour I drive towing, I gotta stop another hour to recharge....Im gonna get so Fat and broke eating at Service Stations....😂
It would be closer to 30-40 minutes for every 1.5 hours driving. Not great, but not as bad as you're making it out to be. This is why EV trucks need a minimum ~200 kWh battery pack. That keeps you on the road for 2 to 2.5 hours between stops. For reference, a 400 kWh pack would give it nearly identical range to the RAM they drove.
@@newscoulomb3705 and you forget bigger batteries take longer to charge.. 🤡
@@newscoulomb3705 you are forgetting to add the time it takes to find a place to park the trailer, unhook, and re-hook it. It may only take 30-40min to charge then add 30 min for all the other bs you have to do before getting back on the road.
@@allengrier4767 No, I'm not forgetting. It's just too variable to account for. Luckily, I helped push the needle on getting charging providers to start installing high-power, pull-through stalls, and EV Tesla appears to be catching on now (yes, they are a bit behind, though). So depending on what chargers you decide to use on whatever trip you're taking, you might not need to detach the trailer at all (e.g., EVgo chargers at GM Energy, Pilot-Flying J locations).
@@newscoulomb3705 keep on dreaming chum. Meanwhile those EV's are charged by coalpowerplants. lol the joke is on you.
Cool, so if you take a family trip from the east coast to say…Yellowstone and back is 3,400 miles. 85 mile recharges means 40 stops @ 1.5 hours each = 60 hours of charging, and 40 times hitching and unhitching your trailer. Fun !
Who wouldn't want that on vacation? Sounds like great fun.
Good luck finding charging stations for that trip
It's not 1.5 hours each, but yes, it would still be a lot of stops. It would be close to 60 hours on the road, driving, and a little over 20 hours stopped, charging.
No better way I would like to piss away my 102,000 Dollars 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your kids: "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"
Holy crap! You're actually asking the Cybertruck to do things that people expect trucks to do.🤣🤣🤣
Certainly glad that you're doing it so I don't have to!
Thanks for this comparison drive. I thought you answered a lot of questions I had.
As a commercial truck driver the one comment I have to make about the Tesla is that not having mirrors that allow you to see beyond yor trailer is a definitive safety hazard. I am always checking the mirrors on RVs and other private haulers I am behind to see if they can see me. This truck can't. I am a dedicated Smith System driver and using those mirrors would not allow me to drive correctly.
On another topic, the Cybertruck is the only vehicle I have ever seen that makes an AMC Pacer look sexy. Nuf Said.
I live in California and can attest… most Cybertruck drivers have never bought a truck before and can’t drive it well.
I am in Texas and everyone has a truck and many can't drive either.
Very popular at the ski resorts though
@@MyUniversalUniversity😊
No real man who actually needs a truck would buy a CyberJunk.
Most people can't drive.
1 hour of towing and over an hour of recharge. Pioneers moved faster. TFL thank you for your honest reviews.
In other news. When the owner takes his truck to work on Monday morning after his vacation, he doesn't sound like a garbage truck clattering
@BarryObaminable no he just sounds like a fart sniffing, pretentious douchebag the likes prius drivers.
@@BarryObaminablebut he look like one……
Nobody wants to sit around for 1.5 hrs,waiting too charge up! Imagine doing that in a bad area of the country?
@@299charles😂😂😂 solid retort.
This video is a great ressource for the 5-6% of truck owners who actually pull with their trucks. Good job!
Looks like it's gonna take longer to charge than it did to get there.
Excellent reporting, now do that test at -30C and see how far it will go
That was subtract another 60% of the range so another 51 miles would be missing that would leave 35 miles total range on that truck when it’s full. The cyper truck and all Evies are a scam.
don't forget hauling an actually fully loaded down trailer... so another loss on top.
Why would anyone do that? It rarely gets below 20°f . That's like saying we should test a jetski on the lake that's frozen ...
@@Mowers11it’s not that they’re a scam… it’s that EVs are simply inefficient at its core. An entire Kilowatt of power can be wasted in a mile. That’s ridiculous.
GREAT POINT.
Can you even imagine anyone who hauls a camper wanting to stop every 90 miles or so (if even possible) have to unhook the trailer to (fuel) up and wait up to 90 minutes for each recharge and costs you more to fuel up? The illusion of green savings.
At least you got a place to dump
Yep
Trippin’ over a dollar to save a dime.
You have to remember this is a specific case scenario, hauling heavy loads long distance is not the use case for most daily pickup driving. Majority would be charging at home or work on 10c per kwh or less, not paying supercharger costs. A huge number of pickups drive around with groceries or the bikes in the back for the weekend day trip. If you compared the running cost to those situations, (which is the majority) then it's a different story. I'd like to go EV but sticking to my diesel jeep for hauling the 2.5t horse trailer for long distance shows.
Going a hundred miles is not a long trip for most campers. Maybe electric is the way to go for city folk. But I have a bunch of kids quads and a 43 foot long toy hauler. I’ll stick with my Cummings. 20,000 lbs go 300 miles before I have to refill my tank. The Cummings in this video could double the size and weight of the trailer and still out preform this truck that cost much more. I can fill my truck in maybe 10 minutes and the Tesla takes 1.5 hrs. What are my kids gonna do for 1.5 hrs in a truck stop. It’s not even a comparison.
That Semi setup near the end of the video was so sick. 😂 It would be a dream to have something like that to live in
Good video. Just next time, call each other on the phone. All the cars have a Bluetooth radio, now lol
Your "Trip cost comparison" at the end should include "time to refill/recharge" to 100%. I don't know many people who place absolutely ZERO value on their time. In fact, for many of us, our time wasted is not simply income lost - but opportunities lost as well. Great job though guys - as usual. 👍🏻
I get what your saying and agree with your view but the "cost/value: of time" is Highly subjective and I'm all but 100% sure why it wasn't figured into the equation.
Based on my experience of towing travel trailers with all the wind resistance they have and you can really see a big change in fuel needs when you hit a strong headwind, meaning a stop every 50 miles, or so, and depending where you can recharge you are also at the mercy of where you can stop, not necessarily when you'd like to. The total amount of time lost would require at least one more overnight stop to travel to any distant destination. Also if you do overestimate your range and end up on the side of the road, what then, it's not like someone can bring you a gas, or diesel can.
Totally agree, over an hour per charge would significantly change the experience of any trip over 100 miles.
You can yourself from the data from watching the video. 3.4 minutes deisel vs. 1hr 29 min for the cyberthing
@@averyparticularsetofskills Yup - but read again what I wrote. I mentioned including the *time* - not a dollar amount. People can assign whatever they value their own time at.
I’m a trucker and I found this video interesting. Two full tanks and I can cover 1000 miles averaging 5.9 mpg towing 44,000 cargo and have been passed by the Budweiser brewery there. For some reason I thought those supercharging stations were free but I guess they are more expensive than diesel thanks guys great video
IIRC way back when Teslas first appeared free charging was included in the price of the car. Possibly for as long as you owned it? Anyone have better info?
@larder54
True, also as recent as last year they offered a year or two free SuperCharging on some of their top end cars as a promo. Typically the cost varies depending on the energy provider.
Home charging is where the real savings comes in. Here its ~$5 for 100 miles in our Model Y if charged at home and ~$10 for 100 miles at the closest superchargers.
@@aaronb7990And I'm running about $2.50 for 100 miles here in New Hampshire with home charging. 2022 Model 3 Long Range.
@@larder54between you and @aaronb7990, you've pretty much got it covered :]
@@larder54 yep...Tesla was and maybe still is trying to buy back those first Teslas that have lifetime free charging!
I don't own a truck yet, but I really enjoyed this video. I liked the way the hosts communicate their moment-by-moment experience and compared in real-time.
They’re staring at you cause they waiting for you to run out of battery life 😂🤣
Thank you for doing a logical comparison including refueling expense. It's even worse than expected.
Excellent video. It's amazing, you only went 85 miles and had to stop unhook and charge, plus it cost $12 more to go only 85 miles! And the diesel was on its way in 3 minutes, while the EV had to charge for 1 1/2 hours! Diesel trucks aren't going anywhere for a very long time.
The government is already pushing it. California passed a law banning the sale of all diesel trucks by 2036 and the removal of all diesel trucks by 2042.
The thing is, the Diesel could have gone another 250+ miles (or so) without having to stop, whereas the Cyberwhatever would have had to stop what, another 3 times?
@@onecookieboynot to mention it takes four sets of tires because that cyber truck eats tires like I eat chocolate cake.
And the energy for the EV was probably generated with fossil fuel anyway. So you pay $12 more for the same energy!
Having to unhook the trailer just to charge is crazy
Unfortunately the majority of people who drive trucks nowadays never have any intention of actually using it for any truck stuff. They just like being taller than the rest of the cars.
Why is that unfortunate. I like my chances in the used truck market with ones that were babied their whole lives and not overloaded tow rigs
That also depends on where you live. Where I live, a truck is a requirement for most people.
@@5uprnvabecause you don't need a giant pick em up truck to just go to the grocery store or to work.
@@relevation0 I do. But I live in a snowy state and we don't shut down work when it snows. So most of us drive AWD or 4x4 SUVs and trucks. Unless you want to just burn PTO and stay home (at manager discretion).
Big deal you go all green, Earl 😂
Why does everyone complain about the horrible range but fail to state that it takes HOURS to recharge it? You can't always find supercharging stations and when you do a lot of the time there is a car or three there charged up and the occupants are inside eating
That's far from accurate, and I own a Model 3. It takes a little while to charge, but not hours. I am done in 20-30 minutes when it’s really empty. The Supercharger network is extensive, and it’s easy to find one in areas where people drive a lot. They are also divided reasonably between major cities. I’ve traveled a lot with it. As for you saying people squat on chargers, that can’t be further from the truth. Idle fees occur for every minute you sit there beyond your charging point, and it gets expensive quickly. You’re either repeating rumors, or what I really think is happening is you’re making things up as you go along.
I think with the higher voltage system it was supposed to be able to charge faster, but that isn't set up yet - for some unknown reason. So if that was enabled, it could in theory charge in like 30 - 40 minutes. But... it's not.
They've just shown how long it takes to charge, so how can you say it's wrong? If all the other chargers were in use the charge power would drop by half, causing even more delay...and what if you had to queue to even get on a charger?
You can always find a supercharger in a Tesla. It literally does the work for you and tells you where to go if you need to stop on a drive. Most stops only take 5-10min. You aren’t typically charging to 100% because when you get home… you charge overnight.
@@scorpio9578charging speed drop was only on the older Tesla chargers. The 250kw and newer ones do not have that problem.
35% more in energy cost ,charger cords too short, hours of charging time, etc,..., - I'm all in!
Don't forget the premium price for the truck itself.....
The Cybertruck only cost them $15 to fillup at home. It cost $38 to fillup at a supercharger. The Diesel cost them $25 at the cheapest diesel fueling station in the world. This was not comparable.
I was surprised that the Cybertruck made 86 miles. Pretty sure after a few updates it will do the same trip and get closer to 95 miles. Either way, Cybertruck was a beast. Very impressed.
So, this is the worst case for the Cybertruck. Towing cross country for recreation is something that a truck only does a small percent of the time. If you are retired and just pulling your RV around the country, the Cybertruck is no more for you than a compact car would be. The reason you get an EV truck is if you use it primarily in-town and then...10% of the energy cost with Off-peak charging, (no oil changes to pay for or sit and wait for), 3X the torque, charge in your garage with 0 minutes sitting at a fueling station. After 6 years of EV ownership, I'm all in!
@@davidbeppler3032 You're kidding, right?
@@davidbeppler3032 I know it's hard for you EV-tards to fathom, but TFL was doing a towing test. Meaning, they aren't going to be able to "charge at home" and have to do it on the road. They weren't just driving circles around a home charger towing a trailer but rather on the highway traveling.
Can you comprehend this? EV trucks, suck....
Best video test yet! Thanks for taking the time for the production.
Thanks for a VERY well done exhibit of the REAL world.
You're on the road for an hour. You need to recharge. You pull into a charging station. It takes 1.5 hours to recharge. You're the 4th car in line. 6 hours later you're back on the road. You say f*ck this. You turn around and go back home!!! 😅
Right? That gas station had 100 gas stalls and only TWELVE chargers. 😆😂🤣🤦🏻♂️😤😡
I can’t imagine sitting there, waiting 45 mins to an hour for the car in front of me to charge. Can’t even begin to imagine having several cars in front of you waiting. 😳🫣
Kinda the plan right there.
Towing with an EV is dumb, but so are comments like this. I've never had to wait for a charger. I have a tesla (car) and a diesel truck. They both have their places. I wouldn't want to commute or road trip moderate distances in the truck, i wouldn't want to tow with an EV. Different tools, different jobs. The CT is fine for most half ton buyers, because most do not tow. Those who do, get something ICE.
No joke. I guess it could be a cool novelty vehicle for a wealthy person, but it doesn't do truck stuff. I drive from Massachusetts to Florida once per year. I tow my camper with my Toyota tundra. Cross country travel, although fun, has it's stressful moments. Driving the cybertruck on a 1200 mile road trip sounds like an actual nightmare. I would love to see someone vlog such an experience.
Why were you so dumb to get an electric truck and then tow something for an hour without charging infrastructure?
When towing a camper, the last thing I want to do is un-hitch just to do a fill-up! Also remember that your range is less if you only charge to 80%.😢
Charge to 80% and never run below 30% or you'll damage the battery.
He used 95% to go 85 miles. But using 80% down to 10% would only be 70% of available charge --> ~63 miles 🥴
In 1 year will lose 10% range just like all Li-ion batteries, in 5 years will lose around another 10% so REAL range will be ~60miles and ~10miles to find a charger and even that no one would EVER do with an ICE vehicle. Most would never go below 60 miles range on an ICE vehicle. Oh yea ~30%-->50% reduction in range due to cold... Truck my aarse
EV is circling the drain as we speak
You wouldn't buy a raptor to tow a toy hauler. Same with cyber truck.
I love the Nuggets too!! Another great review. Keep it up!!
Thank you for your time.
Your videos have really changed my life
And my production, professionalism and self standard all went up to an all time high.
I did an 8,000 mile road trip over 2 months towing my travel trailer in 2022. I would still be trying to complete it if I had the Cybertruck.
👍
It depends on the weight as they said in the video. The Cybertruck was over it's towing limit to make it look bad! In reality it should never be used in that capacity.. You'll need a much larger EV for that weight!
I thought they stated it was slightly under its max towing. I think let the consumer decide what works for them. Also competition never hurts.
The weight as towed was under the teslas max. You could double the weight tied by the dodge and it would still have more range than what the ct did with the weight in the video and for about the same money. Ev’s just aren’t competitive in the consumer towing market if you intend to tow over a 50 mile radius from your home.
@@MrMed-hl2fq the 2500lbs was max bed weight not max trailer weight. It was not overloaded
I do not love or hate any truck. I base my purchasing on the results that the team at TFL Truck get in the testing. Seriously guys. You provide the exact information people want before they decide. I tell everyone to check out your channel. Thank you for everything you do. It is a tremendous help.
Yes. I love that they say "No hateful comments." I'm not a fan of EV's at all, but they may have their place with people who only drive a short distance.
@@camarokurtLike I've said before, EVs have a place. They are just not a replacement. 👎 No thank you I will keep my ICE vehicles
At least you can’t dump a metric f**kton of soot all over the place intentionally with the Cybertruck.
I believe this is the first time I've seen a video from this channel. The only thing I found strange was the format of the video itself. Only after starting the trip that give a tour of the trailer or deliver the vehicle specs, cutting off their driving.
It gets a little strange, from a continuity point of view. But otherwise it looks interesting, and I liked the hosts😂😂😂
That was actually the first fair test I've seen anybody do of a test compared to a normal vehicle.
Nine times out of ten, these tests are done by Tesla haters, and so they skew it to make things horrible.
Nice job guys!
When you figure the cost of the Cyberjunk, remember time is money. The Ram didn't need to stop!!!
Also remember that EV's are extremely heavy and tires wear out quickly.
They require special tires and at the dealership cost about $3,000 per tire.
Also thr battery pack lasts about 4 years at an average cost of $ 45,000 .
@@truetexan7755wow
@@truetexan7755where did you get $3K per tire for ev?
@truetexan7755r It does not cost that much for tires and does not cost 45K to replace betters. You are over exgerating your numbers. Telse battery replacement is under 25k. and that includes the disposal cost.
Simple. CyberTruck is for occasional towing. If you tow a lot, you buy diesel.
Legend has it, the Cyber Truck is still charging 🔌
L O L!
Have some faith it made it another 85 miles now he’s waiting another 3 hours just to make it back to the first station
😂😂😂😂😂That's a greaT one!😂
hahaha ...
That is about the same range I got on a 2000lb enclosed trailer using my Model X from Tifton, GA to Tallahassee, FL. Took 3 stops. Yes you guys are spot on. Don't know what battery tech the Cybertruck has but my 2021 Model X is still on the old tech where it maxes out at 180KW.
WOOOOOO!!!!! You went to the new Bucc-ees! I wanted to go but the line was too long for me a few weeks ago on a Sunday. I was going to say "Hey why didn't you go to the Bucc-ees!" But you did, so I'm happy. I'm more excited about the Bucc-ees than the range comparison.
Not to mention as the Tesla gains high mileage, the battery decreases rapidly that ram will have the same mileage until it dies
The battery doesn't decrease rapidly and the ram will lose efficiency also.
As soon as a single cell wears out it acts like a load for the entire pack
@@rickywoods3101 the ram will lose 0 efficiency if maintained properly the cyber truck won't you'll eventually need to replace electric motors and batteries way before needing to repair the ram but its all irrelevant if you like the ram you buy it and vice versa just cause you like something doesn't mean you have to hate something else it's pointless, as someone who's not a fan of electric vehicles I still find the idea cool af however not feasible currently.
Do you believe that? 🤡 @@rickywoods3101
@@rickywoods3101The Ram will lose nothing but gas.....that can be refilled in 5 minutes.
Can't help but notice the Tesla vision system continuously freaking out about the large vehicle tailgating you the entire time.
But Tesla software is flawless and ten years ahead of the competition. Ask any fanboy.
Self driving next year, since 2012?
fsd actually works well since v12. So many Tesla haters for no reason.
@@Areku06 lol...they sell overpriced garbage! Plenty of reasons to hate. Make a cheap car that is used locally only...you might actually have something. Fit and finish of a Tesla is comparable the the junk GM was making in the 80's. Need spare parts? Sorry. Want to fix your own tesla? Sorry. A huge overpriced nightmare. No thanks!
@Areku06 v12 only huh 😂
I I've been waiting for this test for a very long time.
18:25 your answer for the CyberTruk: 85 miles at 70 MPH
20:10 the Ram, 350 miles plus range with same load……
The real world tests you have done on electric trucks has been very eye opening. Thanks. This is exactly what brought me to TFL.
The Cybertruck brings new meaning to the phrase ‘low range’ in AWD pickup trucks.
Easy solution. Just carry extra 5 gallon cans of electricity with you.
I would say gas guzzler, more like electric guzzling? Here come the blackouts 😂
@@bobchamp3159 Electron guzzler.
@@bobchamp3159in Canada we have gas guzzler tax. Wonder if it would apply to ev’s
Just mount a diesel generator on the bed, easy. /s
Just got back from a cross country round trip hauling a 9000# 33' camper. Got 15mpg and didn't have to use brakes on the mountains because of Ram engine brake. Even handled the 70MPH winds in NE, OK, CO. 6 campers tipped over. Anyways, gets 25mpg and 700+ miles per tank. 08 Ram 6.7 Cummins. Done with Ford.
... Starts chucking weight out of the truck as it hits the offramp. "ditch the ballast, dump the sandbags, I got another 600 yards. We're almost dead, empty the water tanks". I guess we're about 5 years off from towing more than an hour. I'll check back then.
Tesla: I have 15 cameras to help with towing, tows 85 miles and dies on side of the road....
you will need those because you'll constantly be pulling up at tesla stations that are not at all made for trucks with trailers
Tesla Cybertruck can be purchased with the optional trailer with a 25kW diesel powered generator and charging cable. This provides greater mileage between refueling. 😂
LMAOOO😂 if I ever saw that I'd yell out the window what happened to ur daddy elons soymobile
😅@@ichetuknee
"Fuel" costs are one consideration, time spent at the "fuel" station is also a big difference.
The average gas pump delivers half a liter Diesel per second. That's 5kWh per second or 18 Megawatt charging Power. No super charger can deliver 18 Megawatt Power.
EV's are great for local commuting and home charging. That amount of power at home would have been $10 where I live.
If you can charge at home, or at work, and rarely drive long distances, then the scale tips the other way
Good job guys thanks for the trial run :).? Cool
2024, Cybertruck, loads of technology in both trucks, cellphones, apps that let you talk hands-free, Bluetooth technology, communication plan?
Old school walkie talkies. 😅
Behold: The Clustertruck® !
That games needs a mod to make them all look like cybertrucks😂
That legit has me lol. Well done!
ROFL....YEP
I’m a hybrid/all-electric fan. I think for daily driving in town, they’re fantastic. HOWEVER when it comes to towing even light loads, skip the battery and go get a diesel. Nothing beats the range you get from a diesel.
True, and most pickup truck are gasoline.
Its unfortunate that you can't add a stand alone generator to an ev instead of being hybrid. The generator would be easier to replace and maintain and cheaper. You would only need it in certain situations as well. Overall emissions and fuel economy would be better than ice and you get the ev torque.
Same here. I have a Mach-E we drive 15k miles a year, and an F350 diesel we drive about 4K miles.
New gas trucks tow well. Not as well as diesel of course, but my crew cab long bed Super Duty with 7.3 liter Godzilla and 4.30 gears can tow large trailers unbelievably well. I’ve towed 15k pounds with ease. And I have a 48 gallon tank.
I’ll add the caveat, gassers tow well too. My comment was based on the comparison that TFL did in the video. There’s a place of EVs, but we haven’t reached the point quite yet where they will replace a pickup that tows regularly. I know we will get there in the near future but current available technology/cost will push this out a few more years.
Thanks for the real world test !!!!
You're the best when it comes to these honest, real world tests. You guys think the recharge cost is surprisingly high...wait until peak rates hit 5x in about 4 years!! Ask the Norwegians...not as rosy as people want to think.
Everyone always says how busy their lives are. Who has time to sit and wait for your vehicle to charge?!😂😂
Exactly. For this model, even if not towing, you would have to stop for 1.5 hours about every 300 miles.
I'd be so damn bored stuck at the recharge station for over an hour waiting. I'd lose my mind.
I love the excuse they gave too for roadtrips. Oh its for your break. My break is the 5 minutes it takes me to fill up my tank.
300 miles seems optimistic if you never take EV to 0%, only recharge to 80% to save time and battery life, and drive 78mph with the AC blasting. I bet you will be stopping every 150 miles.
Towing would be an issue but most ev charging is done at night while you are eating dinner and watching TV
I knew it was a joke but I didn't know it was hilarious.
Try Moving your car collection cross country with such a Diesel Pickup Truck in comparison to an actual Semi Truck. It takes the same amount of Diesel per Mile - when loaded with 27 tons (54.000 punds) of cargo, compared to how much? 9t (20.00 0 lb) if its a really beefy truck and trailer combination. You would need to go 3-4 times as often all the distance and have to use 3-4 times the amount of Diesel. So lets stay with the saying: Pick the right tool for the right job.
How would I know? A friend of us had a private collection of old trucks, offroad cars, spares and truck repair eqipment to move over a distance of 600 miles - he tried to do it with his Range Rover with a trailer first and soon found out, that he could simply not afford it. Getting desperate he then bought a used semi for 6000 dollars, borrowed a trailer and we were absolutely blown away what an efficient combination that was. Ah and let's not forget: The semi does the whole distance without refilling, easily ^^
@@genius1a well now your comparing a pickup truck to a semi truck, why wouldn't you compare the diesel semi to an ev semi? or do I need to compare a semi to a train?
@@timessiah94 *My 3 engine train is even MOAR efficient, and I can carry other people's loads, so I ACTUALLY MAKE MONEY, when I move my car collection from one side of the country to the other, every 2 months.*
@@timessiah94 Why should I? I don't care where the power comes from, it can be Gazoline, Diesel, nuclear fission, hydrogen, coal fire,... as long as the whole machine can do well, what I want or need it to do. Yes, The Tesla S ist absolutely hillarious when it comes to transporting cargo, but the Lamborghini Aventador is even more ridcolous for that. Use the right machine for the right job!
A better question would be: Is there any role, a Tesla Semi can do better than a Diesel Semi? Yes: How about heavy cargo, that needs to go over a mountain on a regular basis: With the Diesel Semi you need Diesel to go up, afterwards you can brake downhill to maintain low speeds using a retarder that dissipates heat to the air. With the electric Semi you roughly need half of the primary energy used by the Diesel Semi to get up there - and going downhill you get 70% of that back on top of that by regenerative breaking. Do that 10 times a day, through the whole year and you will find, that a Diesel Semi would be way more expensive to run.
If you ask me, which I would prefer for getting stuff done or transported, the Diesel or the electric Pickup: Neither of them. I live in a country that can be pretty cold and wet, I love my Diesel Volkswagen Bus. For the huge inside space and the smooth ride. Recently I put a skidoo inside. Works! Would I take an electric Volkswagen Bus if it was of decent price and range? (200 miles real life would be sufficient): Absolutely! The Buzz is not an option. That's just a van trying to mimic the original Volkswagen Transporter.
Oh, how I wish that George Carlin was here to do a classic stand-up take on that God awful freak mobile. What a waste of resources.
Summary: 85 miles. 8.72 gal. in diesel truck vs 1:28 to full charge and a big bag of Bucees Nuggets and $10 more. Worse than expected. Good road test! You guys are awesome!😀
Towing the truck and charging times are similar… no bueno for me but love the show guys. Great content
Cybertruck. Its the deloreon of trucks. Lots of stainless and will only be seen in museums in about 15 years.
Until somebody fixes it with a flux capacitor.
At least we got a cool looking 80s tome machine that could still run today, can't say the same for the cybertruck… the batteries won’t be good in a few decades and no culturally important movies are coming out with one…
There are still plenty of Deloreans around 40 years later. There will be zero CTs on the road in 2060 or even 2040 for that matter.
They have a self destruct feature. Burnin down, the house 😂
And honestly the Delorean was the better of the two. Better range, cooler doors, better looking, and literally cheaper even adjusted for inflation. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't amazing in any of those categories, but it was still better than the Cybertruck.
I had no idea that the range on the Tesla would be so low. That would be a non starter for most anyone towing any distance at all. I tow a 28' Airstream with a 2nd gen Ram/ Cummins, 400 miles isn't an issue between fill-up's with my rig. Thanks for an honest video of the facts.
If the low fuel light is on, 15 min to refill to full, maybe?
6 minutes or less, truck stop diesel pumps are fast.
Great video, thanks! Glad I did not get the Cybertruck. I am an early reservation holder but was hoping for much more towing range (from 2019 stats). Think I’ll keep my F-150 Powerboost. (My trailer is also about the same size and weight as the ones in this video)
So, what have I learned? Well first off, the guys at TFLT are great. Honest, up front and entertaining, and they're pretty much right down the road from me, so testing in Colorado is always a plus. Second, I've learned that there is absolutely nothing that would suggest the Cybertruck is worth its' weight in, well, anything. If you call something a truck, it should be able to do truck things reasonably well and this just can't. At least not economically. And finally, I have to run up to Ft. Collins on Thursday and I've learned that I need to stop at Buc-ee's for some Beaver Nuggets on the way home. Thanks, Boys!! 😉
That diesel price is insane. $2.949??? It’s normally well over $4
Isn’t where the diesel is at $4+ the electricity also more the $0.35 pkh?
$3.99 here in Holland Michigan
In Australia, that’s $65 of diesel
It is $3.49 a gallon here in south Texas.
Yeah diesel here is the equivalent of about $9 USD. And our superchargers cost the same.
Pardon me sir......we WERE NOT STARING at you, we WERE LAUGHING at you.
Well said
Are you laughing at my cybertruck, or my desperate need for attention?
@@user-vx7vi3vq1c 😂😆
@@user-vx7vi3vq1c Hmmmmm........a valid question, however I'm going to have to go with the truck itself brother.
@@user-vx7vi3vq1c or your desperate need for attention by posting 50 times on a TH-cam forum because EVs scare you like a child
The most important part for me is the time it takes to get going back in the road a 10 hour trip will be a 24 trip on the Tesla no thank you don’t have the patience to be waiting on waiting for it to charge
Great balanced review.
Well, bless your hearts for really trying to make the cybertruck seem like a viable option. I mean you guys always try to show EVs in the best light, but the reality is they just don’t do truck things well.
I don’t think that was their intention at all. even the dumbest among us know the E vehicles are losers.
@@jamesweir2943 I think they are hot garbage too. My point is these guys always try to make it sound like there is still a reason to buy one.
EV’s are just golf carts. If you’re only putting around town then sure buy one. If you want a car get an ICE.
@@utilityart that wasn’t my take away. in my opinion, they were mocking the Tesla.
so up here in Canada when its -40 in the winter its range will be reduced by half lol
~100km in reasonable winter conditions towing. Leaving ~15% on each end for safety and battery protection (going 15-85) means stopping every 45 minutes, unhitching, plugging in, waiting 1.5 hours, paying C$60, re-hitching, and then you can drive another 45 minutes before rinse, repeat, etc.
EVs make zero sense for towing.
@@philojudaeusofalexandria9556 exactly, plus at about 10 years the batteries will need to be replaced, which is crazy
Not as much as you think, it's more like 25-30% for most EV's as they can claim back a little through keeping it warmer.
@@Tats2020 And not sure if it goes up for the Cybertruck, but what I heard is that to replace the batteries of a Tesla, they need to replace the whole undercarriage. Which is a big proces, and appearantly costs about as much as, if not more than just buying a new car. Which it basically is if you change that what makes a car a car, in my opinion.
In that respect, I think Toyota had a better idea with their Prius, being able to replace batteries without having to change everything else, as I've seen on the Chrisfix channel. And with older Yota's, like those first Priusses, that looked like someone who knows what he's doing could still do it himself.
Not sure if that's still the case with the newer Toyota's though.
Last week I saw a cyber truck on I70 going from Ohio into Indiana towing a Airstream camper. I thought to myself at least they have a nice place to sit while it charges.
Disappointing the reviewers don’t understand how Tesla displays range. The top left shows rated range which never changes based on driving conditions. You need to look at the energy screen that displays estimated range.
I never thought anyone would make a truck I’d take a ram over.
Cybertruck needs a diesel swap
Naturally, you mean an actual ram (a male sheep).
@@AG-sx9ws In most countries with any emission concerns this wouldn't be an option, because it would be an emission downgrade and it's imposibble to get a title for that.
Hahaha! Nice.
@@werner.x I know. Many US states don't have this restriction.
80 miles, what a joke.
And it would have been even worse if they went 75 mph.
Gee now I don't have to watch the video. Thanks.
and even worse had he gone 80 and way worse at 90
The joke is the 100k toy hauler
Good information, it seems we are a long way from EV pickups being long distance tow vehicles. Since most people never tow with their pickups maybe it doesn’t matter that much.
I drive a bus from VA to Florida and back twice a year with a Denali parked on the back. It's a 17hr trip with one stop for fuel. Doing the same with the Cybertruck would not only be less comfortable (ride may be nice, but it doesn't have bunk beds in the back), it would also add 15hrs to the trip in charge times alone.
Also, my bus cost $6,000, not $100,000.
An observation: Last week (5/16/24) bad weather knocked out power along the Hwy 290 corridor from Houston to Hempstead, about 40 miles. About 1/3 of the people are still without our power 4 days later. My wife and I were traveling along Hwy 290 on the following day. I needed gas leaving Houston, but wasn't concerned as there are two Buc-ees along that route, a small one and a large one. I planned a stop at the small one. As we got near, Google maps showed red traffic around Buc-ees and routed me down a side street. As we got close, I could see a lot of cars along the feeder road and intersection. They were all trying to get into Buc-ees. I elected to skip it and go to another gas station. I did, but there was no power, no fuel. Three more stations, same thing. Now, I am getting concerned. We stopped at every pump until we were at the big Bucees. Again, a line on the feeder road, their parking area was PACKED, including the charging stations. I don't think the small Bucees has charging stations. This Bucee's (Waller) has over 120 pumps. We made it to the pump with a remaining range of 2 miles! When we were leaving, we noticed that a station across the highway was without power. I dawned on me, the reason Bucee's is packed full is not because they had fuel, but because they could deliver it. (I noted one of their fuel transports re-filling tanks.) They have generators! Why? Because, Beaver (the owner) knows how to sell after hurricanes. I don't know how many of the Bucees have generators, but I am pretty sure most along the coast do. And, I am surprised they can handle charging stations.
"Whoops I'm puttin in gas!" I got a good laugh from that. As a diesel pickup owner it is clear to my family that no one, under any circumstances, ever, ever, fills the tank of my dmax exept me.
I’m a jet pilot and we say gas all the time and never fill our own tanks 😂
Same here with my Cummins. The wife asked if she could go put gas in it, cause she wanted to drive my truck. I said, no you can’t put gas in it. It’s diesel, it doesn’t take gas. Lol
One of my buddies had a jacked up diesel pickup wouldn’t let anyone drive it one day his daughter’s car was broken down so he said you can drive it this one time lol.She put gas in it locked it up tighter than a drum!!
Haha what? Bud i owe ev, gas and diesel. In case you don't know, you can NOT put gas on a diesel truck because the fuel pump connector is completely different. It will NOT fit a gas pump on a diesel truck fuel connector. So no your family will do just fine putting diesel in a diesel truck with a diesel specific fuel pump. No gas or ev pump going to fit in there. Ask me how I know 😂
@@vm2003in the US you sure can. You must be looking at the Semi Truck pumps with the bigger nozzle. Normal diesel pumps use the exact same nozzle as a gas one, Just a different color.
The irony of it costing more to charge the electric truck than fill the diesel for the same work done is just absolutely bonkers. Great comparison and video!
You are forgetting most EV owners charge at home where the cost is about 1/3 of a supercharger cost.
@@monaezytwo6513 And this has nothing to do with an actual road test
@@monaezytwo6513 I'm not forgetting anything, I'm just choosing not to point it out because that kills all the fun of the irony. It's a truck that can't actually do truck stuff at any practical level unless its within 35 miles of home. As someone who has pulled trailers the entire length of the country a few times for work I really appreciated that 50 gallon tank of diesel. I could go about 600 miles per tank WITH a trailer.
The real irony is that for 9 gallons and $25, diesel gets you 330 kWh. It's silly for towing EVs not to take advantage of that level of economy and density with a generator range extender. EV trucks should be plug-in hybrid. Pure BEV is so impractical to even consider.
@@mdocod Yeah, ALL EV trucks fail at towing. Just about every other 'truck' tasks, EV trucks dominate. Period.
The cyber truck is made for showing off on sunset boulevard, where the bullet proof qualities come in too.
Interesting and entertaining comparison.
When I tow with my F-250, I often refuel at the truck lanes. Those pumps put out ~60 gallons per minute, so it literally takes 30 seconds to fill my tank.
As a big proponent of EV’s thanks for actually testing this.
There’s so much hype and rumors that people throw around but facts are what matter. A lot of people would just dismiss it without even trying.
Who has the money, you may be able to test drive, but that’s not putting it to a real test. Everyone’s different, their locations, weather, terrain etc
EVs are awful for the environment (mining heavy metals, other minerals not needed in internal combustion engines) and run on coal. Not even close to the lies greenies have proclaimed about them. Not to mention they are inconvenient and super expensive. And the grid cannot handle the electric draw. The only thing good about EVs is the acceleration, which isn't much.
@@meritholdingllc123 I’m seeing the price slowly declining, the grid slowly getting more hydro and solar and less coal, and most importantly I’m not seeing anyone building refineries in their backyard…
Great video! Colorado love
Good job guys.
Thanks for the accurate and straightforward test, guys!
Roman: "I have 3/4 of a tank left." Andre: "That means you can go three times the distance!" 🤣🤣🤣
Maths is not their strong point!😂
The gauge is always off, you usually get more miles in the first half than the last half.
@@chaydonofallon1352 You're a simpleton.
@@46I37 But he's right.
@@chaydonofallon1352 That is true. I have the Banks iDash and it reads correctly all the time and I always compare the two.
Colorado is a freaking cool state, been in Texas for school and holly cow I’ve ever seen a buckeyes that big!!!
nice, useful information, thanks :)
When all you can do is try to calculate if your vehicle can get from A to B, it is too stressful to drive, even occasionally.
You are easily stressed
This is truly life with any battery electric vehicle, if you want to take it outside of the city or town you live in. And don't forget that you also have to "calculate" where a charging station might be, along your way. Yes, we have seen that it's all possible, but especially in rural areas, charging stations are simply few and far between. And just look at Tesla's "supercharger" situation now -- gosh golly, does that sound like they're going to build new charging stations all along the deserted highways you travel on? KEEP DREAMING. I'm not "against" zero emission vehicles, but I think "charging batteries" is simply "the only way we can do it" right now, and it's just ridiculous in many different ways. There is no way I can believe that humanity will be "charging batteries for hours" to get acceptable range with motor vehicles, into the future.
@@tomhoots ok, but lets revisit what they sell EV's as, a replacement for fossil fuels, no? well then, what fuel their recharging stations, most likely its coal.
so you haven't escaped fossil fuels with EV and you have the added cost of conflict minerals liike cobalt and lithium. now price that 20% over the competition, under-deliver on features and restrict your customer who purchased the vehicles from reselling for a 12 months.
what exactly are they selling people? its like they did zero market research and just moved because they have ego driven man-child at the helm. i can't wait till tesla stock corrects and the brainless fanboys lose their live savings.
If you aren't towing, the Tesla does a great job of telling you when and where you need to charge. Simply plug your destination into the map. Most other EVs are decent at that as well.
Range anxiety!!
The Refrigerator wins in the category of “portable road block”. Everyone passing André has to slow down and gawk.
😂
lol so true and corny. I’ve seen 3 in my city and everytime people are staring at it
Being from Jersey I've been calling it a squared off mobile diner...refrigerator is a good one. If i would ever to get an ev I rather have the lightning.
Its a megabloks truck. Not even lego
Polygon on wheels 🛞📐🛞
Modern sway control hits one or more wheel brakes to stop each sway, so if you're driving along setting it off, you will wear out brakes.
You need to get sway brakes for the trailer. I use two on my race car trailer and it's extremely noticable going from zero to 1 and from 1 to 2. I can drive without them, but it's taking away control options if anything goes wrong.
Boy, the cyber truck video looks smooth where the other video looks like he is at Disneyland using the foot massager! 😂 (or os that auto-tune?)
Thanks for this real-world test. Its refreshing to have it be unbiased. Great job.
Glad you liked it!
I'm a cybertruck fan and will be buying one. But my towing weight and the shape of the trailer will reflect reality. Towing at the Max rated weight is one of those things traditional trucks are just better at. It looks like 3x the GVW = 1/3 the range, so I'll probably have a personal max of 6000Lbs for about 200 miles.
The good thing is, I can charge at the camp grounds around here and thats what I do with my model Y and tear drop trailer. Although that one is only 70 miles away.
@@TFLtruckGreat video!
Use the right tools for the job, probably the best advice given in the video. Great video guys, this is more “truck work” than the average truck owner does on average
Why would u even buy a truck if it can't do it when needed though.
@@user-my4xu4gf1z That's a question for Musk, preferably after he's out of a K-hole
What job exactly is the cybertruck the right tool for?
Grocery getter as long as it's close...@@wurstbrot1772
What are you talking about? They just towed one trailer. Almost anyone with a truck tows something at some point.
In South Africa, we call a pick up truck a bakkie (pronouced bucky). So it was pretty awesome that you took your bakkies to Buc-ee's... LOL!
When I left California 5.5:years ago I used a 2002 Chevy Tahoe and towed a 24 foot v-nose trailer with a total trailer weight of 13,460 pounds. I had to stop about every 150 miles.
Just gas up and go.