Thor: Love and Thunder - SPOILER Talk!
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Now that THOR: LOVE AND THUNDER is out, it's time to talk about the spoilers, with all the grumpy energy I can muster!
#ThorLoveAndThunder - บันเทิง
Anyone else kinda bummed we never got to see Gorr the god butcher butcher any gods? Like we saw a bit of aftermath and one light kill early on but kinda wanted to see Gorr in full Gorr anger mode eviscerate a god, thought it would be Zeus before I saw the movie, but felt it had the same issue as Carnage in Venom 2
exactly
Well they are marvel films your forgetting marvel is inherently for all audiences these arent r rated properties even carnage it was never a violent or gorey comic i dont understand where this has came from
I agree with you id have preferred to see that but this is marvel not god of war for example
That's the problem with this movie. They didn't developed his character enough that his threat in the story felt.. meh..
Yes I was like a 5 minute scene of a montage would have been perfect made him more threatening.
Probably one of the most disappointing changes from comic to movie was the fact that they took out Gor's empathy to mortals. It's an important aspect of his character, but he does his best to not hurt any mortals in his mission. There's a scene where followers of thor attack him, and he does his best not to hurt them, and pleads for them to just stop and consider how empty their lives are in service to a god. Like, he has a flawed philosophy, but it's consistent, and based in equal measure malice and love.
And I kept thinking that he shouldn't be terrorizing kids. He'd never do that. I could believe he'd try kidnapping them, but I'd imagine it more likely that he would've tried kindness with the children, and appealing to their empathy to get them on his side. Hell I thought what could've been amazing is if after he acquired stormbreaker, he had also sent the children home, to emphasize that his mission was killing exclusively gods, so mortals could live more peacfully (in his opinion)
And that could've been an interesting wavering point for Valkeryie too. She could've had a moment where she almost agrees with him, taking issue with how her sisters pointlessly died in battle, women she loved, and maybe even taken issue with Thor just thrusting this political position she despises upon her. But to be fair, this kind of dynamic would be very intense for a comedy rock opera, and the movie had enough issues with tone as it is.
This 100%. In the cage, I was really hoping Gor would be kind to the children while thinking of his daughter. When he ripped the head off of the shadow monster he created, I was hoping it was his attempt at trying to be “funny” in an EXTREMELY out-of-touch (I-hope-they-find-this-funny) type of way. But after the scene ended, I sadly had succumb to the fact that this was his way to torment them…for no reason??
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I think since the kids are Asgardian children he views them as gods? The whole what makes a god in the MCU issue makes it hard to follow who Gorr should be killing
@@matthewblackwelder6487 that's how I thought of it at first too, but he recognized valkerye as a non god, and for some reason I have a memory suggesting he acknowledged the kids as mortals. But either way, he still lacks the mortal empathy aspect
Yeah this. Would've given SO much more depth to Gor.
The best joke in the movie by far - when Thor says something in the lines of "tonight we will feast...not with children though... those were trully dark times" 😄
My Favorite was after Zeus 'died' and Thor was telling the children "Do not meet your heroes/idols" and the kids all gave him a scared look.
(And any time the screaming goats were...screaming)
you see but the problem is its just a joke for the sake of a joke. when tony joked there was something behind it. If there is zero effort or context to the joke it becomes painful.
@@richlasma god you're so miserable
The movie blows let's not even argue smh... Welp.. Onto something real like Black Panther 2. See you guys in the big leagues 🤷🏽♂️
The ending should’ve had a big battle with Gorr taking out a lot of the gods in the god planet Zeus was in. I just feel like they didn’t make Gorr seem like a huge threat I never felt worried for Thor at all.
Agreed
Well he is the strongest avengers. You would be crazy to think anyone is a threat to him
Right, it gets kinda boring knowing somehow the hero is going to end up winning the battle, and this why I loved Avengers: Endgame. Because in reality the goods guy/people don’t always win sometimes; evil prevails.
@@derricka4208 Endgame had 10-11 years of build-up. So naturally the stakes would be at their absolute highest. But Infinity War is my absolute favorite because of its ending. To this day I believe Thanos should’ve won. And we should’ve started the next phase from there
@@samouser1011 I actually preferred infinity war over endgame. Infinity wars story and arcs seemed more streamlined and had a better balance of comedy and serious moments.
This movie felt like it would exist in The Boys' universe as a film you see as a preview for within the show lol
You’re absolutely right XD
🤣 so true
There’s this real life ad featuring Valkyrie to promote the movie and I can’t remember for what brand, but that seriously gave me Vought vibes
even boys looks more serious than this and the boys is a parody ,lol.
Can’t wait for the finale…
This is exactly what I was terrified off. Taiga is a comedic director, Thor ragnarok was a breath of fresh air but after infinity war and endgame you’d expect Thor to have matured a bit more and his character he finally be ready for an opponent like Gorr who’s gone through much of the same pain as Thor, losing a loved one and finding someone to blame it on and wanting to do everything in your power to kill him. (Loki and Thanos) except for Gorr it’s all the gods. It could’ve been a very powerful and emotional movie.
But no
Hammer threesome jokes.
Honestly, I think why I consider Guardians Vol 2 and the Ant-Man films to have the right balance while considering Thor: Ragnarok to be too jokey is because of scale, stakes, and expectations. The Ant-Man films have never had end-of-the-world stakes but instead more personal stakes that affect only a select few people close to the characters. The scale of the stakes in comparison to the humor in the Ant-Man films felt appropiate. Meanwhile with Guardians Vol 2, while the scale is certainly much bigger, it's crux lied in the very grounded, human-like emotional journey of Peter Quill/Star-Lord. It helps that the GotG films never really took themselves that seriously.
Now contrast that with the latest 2 Thor films, where the scale and expectations are much bigger. The main characters in the Thor films aren't humans or humanoid aliens but gods or at least advanced aliens mistaken for gods. When your antagonists are Hela the Goddess of Death and Gorr the Butcher of Gods, there's a rather high expectation of scale and expectations. The expectations set by Hela and Gorr being such menacing cataclysmic foes that cleave through and threaten the people and civilization of Asgard comes with it a certain expectation of gravitas and seriousness. A civilization-ending threat necessitates some gravitas. If instead the set expectation was more like Hela or Gorr had killed a group of Asgardian children or a personal friend of Thor's like one of the Warriors Three, and Thor had set out on a quest for revenge, then the constant humor and joking wouldn't clash with the tone nearly as much because the scale and expectations are set more appropiately. There would still be stakes and dramatic moments but the scale and set expectations of the main antagonists and how much of a threat they menace to be is scaled appropriately to the tone and humor.
It's not like the MCU haven't been able to balance humor with drama, especially when it comes to Thor. If the humor and jokes were used as a defense/coping mechanism to help with fear and trauma, like we see with Thor in _Infinity War_ and _Endgame_ , then it'd be understandable and appropriate in a sense. But when the jokes are made just because and it goes from laughing with Thor making jokes to laughing at Thor as the joke, that's when the clashing of tones is really apparent.
Do you get what I mean by this?
@@ajiththomas2465 ant man and gotg weren't pillars of mcu like thor... Or other Avengers.... Ragnarok had flaws but it was still good movie because it was like a breath of fresh air but after infinity war and endgame Thor's character reached very high level ... Like a main pillar of mcu,,, and personality/ character can't be joker ....when he has villian like god who is literally butcher of god and has very good motive behind killing gods you just can't make a parody of this such emotional and serious storyline.... People wants to see serious movie with serious and emotional storyline.... Gorr lost everything just like thor ... Thor took revenge against guy who took everything from him ... Be it thanos, malekith, loki so gorr wants to do same he things gods are responsible for his condition... Dialogue exchange between them could've been really good .... You could just change a tone of movie and storyline like jane is not close to Thor's level but she is practising hard ... No love angle just weird friendship... Really good screen time for gorr like thanos had in infinity war .... (Movie should be 2hrs 40 mins ... So lot of time to show gorr his emotional story then butchering of gods ... Some good fights against other gods ... And he'll brutally kill jane too because she is god too (still pg)
THOR RAGNERCOCK
Figures, the guy is a jokester and went hogwild.
I think taika just has an ego now, every time he cameos in a movie or something I’ve been finding him really annoying for some reason.
I love Gorr"s character. Whenever he is on screen, he brings seriousness in the movie that is just 90% humor.
Bale was great he should’ve been used more
What humor? I sat through the film waiting for a laugh!!!!
When Jane was researching Mjölnir and words like “stamina” and “good health” (or whatever) jumped out, it made me think of Bella Swan researching vampires in the first Twilight movie. Please tell me I’m not the only one.
You're definitely the only one!
She reminded me of Bella too, and it's not a compliment 😂
You definitely aren't the only one!
I had the same thought!!
This felt like 9 different movies fighting for dominance. I will admit, the shadow realm stuff was really freakin’ cool, but dumb and dumber Thor just made anything cool in the movie seem not-so-cool. He’s basically turning into Jack Sparrow.
It's a well done Thor TV episode
Jack sparrow rocks
don't disrespect Jack Sparrow like that 😂
There should be a Captain in there somewhere.
on a second thought, Jack Sparrow will be a great addition to Guardian of The Galaxy space members 😂
Imagine this: Gorr wins at the end. He gets to Infinity with the sword intact and Jane is dying so Thor can't focus on him anymore. Yet, instead of wishing to kill all Gods, he wishes to bring his daughter back, shocking Thor to his core. You see, the sowrd might corrupt Gorr up to a certain point, but that doesn't take away his love for his daughter. He shows Thor he is better than what the other Gods thought of him by showing he still has humanity, what all of them lack, and Thor knows it.
This is actually what I thought was going to happen. I didn’t think they were going to have to convince him, definitely would’ve been way more impactful had he made the decision in the first place
I would actually believe that happening more than what did happen.
I can believe that being the original ending. An I Am Legend scenario all over again.
Would've been so much better.
Its eternity not infinity
I cannot understate enough how much it bugs the living fuck out of me that Taika treats Thor's friends from the first two movies like shit... I have no idea how people just completely overlooked that they were Thor's friends that he fought a ton of battles with, then they get killed off like nothing, Thor never acknowledges them (and continued to not even in Infinity War), then even after they had already been killed off, Taika really showed their deaths again just to shit talk the characters more? Like really...?
YES. I get why most people prefer the post-taika thor but there’s no need to tear down the original movies and early character arcs. As someone who loves the classic thor movies it feels so unnecessarily disrespectful.
Because Taika is a hack. He's very self aware that Thor lost a lot of loved ones with the intro narration yet he deliberately still chooses to make Thor a goofball instead of making him more wiser and fundamental.
because they were boring ass characters
Your take on the opening scene is spot on. It really set the confusing tone for the rest of the movie.
"The MCU feels Directionless" - Jeremy
And that's all Folks! 👍
that's not even a problem, why does it have to be some big build up like before? the problem is and was the lack of creative freedom, that's why the whole phase 4 felt messy and all over
@@paveantelic7876 I don't think you understand the context of that statement. What good is all the creative freedom if you dont have a clear, concise, direction?
@Leo Peo that's so far removed from the actual mcu problems and is a childish take imo (I apoligize I just cannot take being upset over wokeness seriously), I'm more bothered by the directionless of phase 4, it's not going anywhere at the moment, maybe fantastic 4 is finally going to show us something to get us excited(Doctor doom or galactus even) about but I don't know what the hell the plan is at this point
I would also say the idea of the tv shows is ruining the mcu more, I should not have to watch wandavision to understand wanda's current state of being in doctor strange
Denial phase
@@paveantelic7876 I dont think you've seen Loki and Phase 4 is like shitty version of DCEU
This movie felt like a 2hr SNL sketch with about 3 minutes of a real good and heartbreaking Thor movie crammed in.
THIS. That whole SIF scene when he finds her midway through the movie was literally a SNL skit. I accidentally said "What the fuck is this movie" somewhat out loud and the guy next to me said "I was just thinking that.."
Well stated
@@KrowLithium couldn’t have said it better myself. The Sif scene was horrible
I’m with you on that one
@@KrowLithium so you're that one obnoxious person in the theater who thinks you're above everyone. yikes.
I feel like a lot of people are clinching on to Gorr being great, because they just need something in this movie to have blown them away. I really do understand that need, but honestly, Gorr was extremely underwhelming, and it wasn't Christian Bale's fault.
All his monsters died in one fuckin hit and barely did anything. There was absolutely no sense of threat or stakes! And then like halfway through the movie they're like "We've lost half our soldiers!" Uhhh... Okay? Am I actually supposed to believe that lmao
And the whole thing with the kids was just stupid. What kind of Dora the Explorer shit WAS that? If he needed to lure Thor to him, then they should have had him separate Jane from Mjolnir and capture her instead, then he would have at least looked a little threatening and they could have done more with the cancer thing at the same time.
Edit: AAANND with a dying Jane in his company, it could have been a nice parallel with his daughter and allowed for some compelling developmental flashbacks on that. It would have kept his motivation consistent, instead of just having him be like "Well, I guess I'm evil now. Oh wait, just kidding, I'm good again!"
Bale stole every scene, and the opening scene of the movie was good, but the character was just flat. No development, barely any screentime.
Gorr was a great villain in the comics. The movie made him feel like nothing. It wasn't Christian Bale's fault at all. What are you talking about?!
@@CabezasDePescado In my opinion, Gorr was at his best in the opening scene and his last scene. Although he wasn't as silly as the rest of the film, he felt a little bit silly.
I think that Christian Bale has better performances.
@@Lucas-7724 I agree. I thought he was silly in some scenes but I am not sure if that was Bale's interpretation or poor writing. (Example: with the kids where he's talking about having once had a daughter too, he seemed very hokey and "evil")
I really think Gorr could’ve benefited from his comic origin. I was thinking two gods were going to come crashing down, one of them being his, and end up killing his daughter. His god wins but he’s so overwhelmed with rage he renounces his god, picks up the sword and kills the weakened god. Think it would’ve been way more impactful
The hammer making janes cancer worse is lifted straight outta the comics where it is WAY BETTER explained. Every time she transformed it purged her of all toxins, like her chemo, and basically reset all her progress towards fighting cancer. Since the cancer is a part of her, the transformation didn't remove it, only the chemicals fighting it . Also, in the movie Jane was already worthy, quasi shown with Thor's whole "you showed me how to be worthy again". He didn't cast a spell to make her worthy, she was in trouble and the hammer called to her in an attempt to help her.
The same Asgardian rune that was shown when Odin enchanted it in the first movie, is the same one that appears here. It’s implied she can only lift it because Thor unknowingly enchanted it specifically to help her.
@@greenman394 it’s implied that it will protect her. Thor tells the hammer to look out for her. When she’s at her weakest the hammer calls her, knowing she’s worthy and thinking it will help. The enchantment allowing someone worthy to lift it has been there since Odin put it there. The movie goes out of its way to show you she’s worthy to lift it, so much so that thor outright says the words. The hammer chooses, not him.
Never saw any of that in the 60's & 70's comic books...so I have no idea about any of that
@@Robshere27 Why comment then?
Except in the comics she could have cured herself in asgard but she wanted to "fight it like a human"
You know what'd be a better movie? A Thor-Guardians space adventure movie. Or, a good old fashioned Thor vs Gorr.
Instead, we get a little bit of this, a little of bit of that, a lot of Jane Thor, and nothing focused.
I'm really surprise they didn't go that route, specially with how MCU has been taking everything lightly for comedic effect. Thor and Starlord would work as a comedic duo delivering flat line jokes without being self aware just like in Infinity War.
And "King" black Valkyrie cringe. But I gave the movie an 8 tho
@@KiiroKiiroTorini it would’ve made more sense to do that… keep the mighty Thor! Jane/gorr elements and make that it’s own movie
@@KiiroKiiroTorini Thor and the Guardians had so much in common too. They're both losers at core. People who have lost stuff. Quill lost his mom to tumor, Thor is losing Jane to cancer.
Since Ragnarok, Thor has a style that's a throwback to 80s B grade space operas while the Guardians is 70s B grade space operas. Both now into classic soundtrack, Thor just leans rock.
But for some reason, they returned to Jane instead.
I don't think the story is the problem. The way it's made the way the tone & theme is that's the problem. Jane Thor and everything else works if done good.
Gorr's arc is from Thor: God of Thunder issues #1 to #11. It gives him much more depth instead of just 'the sword corrupted him.'
I think he was able to boost the kids using Zeus's thunderbolt, you can see it because the kids are charged with the yellow lightning instead of Thor's blue one.
When I watched the movie, it seemed like the entire movie was a tale being told by Korg, which explained why the whole thing was SO over the top. The bit of Thor riding Stormbreaker was a direct call back to how Korg thought Thor could fly from his hammer in Ragnorok. If the entire movie is just how Korg remembers things, then that would explain the wacky tone, BUT it just isn’t communicated clearly enough, and over all… it doesn’t work and makes the entire movie feel like a joke. It’s the first big whiff from Waititi for me.
I feel like Waititi was the wrong choice for this movie
@@miketrapper0464 He did one thing right. Gorr, he's the best thing about this movie but it's too bad he wasn't even in the movie that long. This movie needed some stakes and seriousness at times because you're kinda just sittin' there like what the fuck is happening
@@thejaded agreed
That's kind of like how 300 is told from the perspective of the spartan narrator trying to fire up the troops and therefore heavily colored by the biases and superstitions of said narrator.
The contrast between the whole jokey tone of the movie and Gorr, just didn't work for me. Felt like two different movies. Big disappointment. My most hyped movie of the year. Keep them expectations low I guess. 😩
This is something I mentioned before, but I’ve heard similar sentiments with other reviewers: Ragnarok balanced the comedy and action, but *because* it was more comedic and light hearted than the other Thor films, Taika assumed that the comedy was the sole reason why Ragnarok was successful. Because of that, Taika assumed that “oh they don’t care about the action. They like dumb Thor.” and so he cut out the action for Love and Thunder.
It also doesn’t help since Thor is in a fairly dark place mentally so all the comedy doesn’t really fit.
Hell, the original Thor is a breath of fresh air compared to this one. If you view it less like a superhero film and more like a Shakespearean play, then it’s far more entertaining
I think Taika was a victim of his own success. And I accepted a while ago that Thor was gonna be less Shakespearean
Taika never came across to me as some guy who'd just do laughs for the sake of laughs. None of his movies are, until this one.
Hell, Ragnarok may have been a soft reboot, they may have did it a comedy to distance itself from the 1st two movies, but it wasn't just all for laughs.
Thor made a facade in that movie. The humour was used to cope and hide his pain. In here, he's just goofy for goofy sake!
And that’s why I liked it lol. I am entertained by his style of humour.
Well said
Thor one is underrated where that Shakspearean humour was shown best and the story was much more grounded.
Zeus’s lightning bolt can imbue power to others, and only the first to enter the center was granted a single wish. The first thing is not directly explained (though it is unmistakably a different weapon) and the second thing is explained in the movie directly
Really contrived for a movie with this budget
Show me where in the movie it says that Zeus's lighting bolt can grant powers?
@@antona.8659 No, It can imbue others with power. The wish is granted to the first one who enters the portal.
Bro'man, you have by FAR some of the best movie commentary and reviews I've ever listened to. It's not constant bashing or praise for what you have a real clear opinion about, but also regard for the what other people might gravitate toward in that movies genre. Basically; "Look for this, Be aware of that." Just good $#!+. I learned something just listening to talk about movies. Crazy. 🤯🏆✌🏽
About the wishing thing… they specifically states “one wish is granted to the FIRST person to enter it.” So no, Thor cannot make wishes, that’s why he didn’t try.
First person ever? Does it work again? What if you leave and re-enter, do you get another wish? lol
@@stankix1701 I understood it as first person ever. Meaning nobody has entered it before and nobody will again.
@@swimfreakcmb That sounds so contrived
... also, Zeus's lighting bolt has the power to empower others , unlike Mjolnir and StormBreaker.
@@emekabronson8697 yeah exactly
Always appreciate some Thor 1 love, genuinely love that movie. Lots of soul, and yeah flaws but i think it's one of the best "origin story" films
I liked Thor 1 the best of all the Thor movies. He learns what it means to actually be a hero and a King.
I just wish the rest of the Thor series didn't spend all it's time dismantling who Thor was meant to be and undermining his character growth.
Marvel has a tendency to shit on the original directors who did the heavy lifting to get the MCU going -- Jon Favreau, Joe Johnston, Kenneth Branagh. You'd think they would've gotten another shot as reward but nope, nothing for you here, move along...
It's opinions like this which would have kept the eboys together if you were in it
you pretty much hit it on the head, there was fun things about this movie there were moments where it was good but also moments where you are just like.....what? it felt like a very disjointed movie
and i think gorr the god butcher was a bit wasted
and i 100% agree he had more than enough motivation to kill all the gods he didn't need the added oh he's just being corrupted so he can be redeemed at the end
I have to agree it does feel like they have regressed Thor's character. One thing that did bother me is Thor only wielding his lightning while holding his weapons. The whole point of Ragnork was Thor is the God of thunder not of hammers and axes.
As Jeremy has said before, nailing comedy and comedic tone is difficult: if a serious film is bad, it can still be cheesy and loved for it. If a comedy isn't done well, it's boring and simply forgotten.
It was funny for me. A lot of aus nz comedy.
@@bigtomDW and that's fine, but were the serious emotional moments less for it? Because that balance of tone is difficult to achieve and if the joke doesn't land (humor being subjective) it undercuts the emotion.
@@thekidfromcanada nope, imo the second half of the movie was completely serious
@@thekidfromcanada I'm genuinely not getting where this complaint is coming from. Every scene with Gorr was dead serious, they handled Jane's cancer seriously, and the bond between her and Thor was great. The comedy doesn't undercut any of that.
Just finished seeing love and thunder. Personally I think they did a great job. I loved it. Yes I wish I could’ve seen more Gor, but all together I’d give it a 9/10 for a Thor film.
This was their chance to make the darkest Thor movie because Gorr was the perfect villain. But sadly Gorr was wasted and too much jokes added which degrade some scenes. I enjoyed watching nevertheless
Would have been so boring with yet another grounded, dark and gritty superhero movie.
It was a 2 hour popcorn blast this one. Definitely top 10 of the mcu I would say
@@joeykyle492Would have been too with YET another dark, gritty movie? How many dark gritty movies are there compared to the number of popcorn light movies (nothing wrong with that) ? Some would argue that the latter is far more common that the former would be refreshing
They had PTSD from Thor the dark world. They didn’t want to go so serious they turned stale again…. But the storyline in the comics is so good. They didn’t do it justice.
@@lennyavendano2052 I don’t quite understand your comment?
When it comes to the mcu and also superhero movies before it (Batman trilogy, Spider-Man trilogy ect). All of them is more realistic takes on superhero movies in a modern world or whatever.
Didn’t really happens before GOTG 1 that we saw a silly, fun, adventure movie about superheroes.
Some of us like the idea of superheroes not taking themselves to seriously
@@joeykyle492 sure everyone loves fun and jokes but not at the expense of making thor a complete fucking idiot, this could've been soo much better if followed the comics storyline which was absolutely amazing.
9:46 good quote. I counter with a Line from Samael in Darksiders " Say what you will about Balance and your ridiculous Law. I recognize a quest for revenge when I see one. And revenge, I respect!"
Honestly, hard agree with Jeremy’s take on the movie. I left the theater and the only thing I was excited about was that Hercules was Roy Kent (from Ted Lasso).
You mean Roy Fucking Kent! Best part!
I miss Thor from Thor 1 and Avengers 1. He was serious but also funny. He had that charisma, dunce quality, this higher above everyone in the room because he’s a god, but a noble humility to him. Does nobody remember the scene where he smashed a cup whiteout, realizing it was extremely rude to do so on earth? That was more hilarious than Thor having cheese whiz coursing in his veins or hitting himself with a ball.
It’s almost like he got brain damage in Ragnarok and never recovered from it. And then, in Endgame, his depression and survivor's guilt were just played for laughs.
Agree, I hate this Thor it’s so cringey.
@@natasha8966 Yeah Thor was always hilarious because he was learning new human customs and Hemsworth did it so well without making it corny. Taika's Thor isn't that elegant royal the first two Thor movies had him be
Not to mention that his fight against the frost giants in Thor 1 is still the greatest display of Thor's powers in 11 years.
Both Thor and Loki's characters are ruined by this director. I won't pay any penny to watch any film directed by him after Rangrok.
This thread is OUTSTANDING!!
I love EVERY ONE of these "takes"!! 👍👍❤️❤️
Jeremy’s right about how the MCU feels directionless. I’m still hoping to see the Avengers fight either Kang the Conqueror or Galactus or the Secret Invasion, but that hope is starting to fade.
I'm pretty sure Secret Invasion is just gonna be a show. And given their disappointingtrack record of all their other shows, i have no hope for it.
I'm pretty sure they know that they won't recreate what we had in Phase 1 2 and 3.
It was Phase 1 2 and 3.
The other phases won't be like 1 2 and 3. It'm sure thay they know it, so they don't even try to recreate it. It wouldn't work, because the casting wouldn't be the same. Or they would have to bring a Tony Stark from another universe.
@@Mad77max77 not true at all. This movie could've been so much more but they just blew it. They could've just kept going but its like they're trying to reboot it for this generation of kids instead of continuing on with what they had.
You mean Secret Wars? That would likely involve Kang. Also Dr Strange 2 brought up incursions, a foundational point for Secret Wars.
Edit: I'd be all for a comic accurate giant purple planet eater. I think it was Nando who came up with a way to bring in Galactus.
You have to hope they know what they are doing.
Thank you dude. I literally watched it being like there’s so much that just isn’t it and you nailed it.
a few things of note which i think you got wrong
1. the building which thor broke is no longer as important as it once was, the gods the temple was built for had died
2. thor was able to "mentally project" himself because of heimdall's kid. thats his power.
3. its specified in the movie that the first person to arrive at the center of the universe will have his wish granted. since gorr was the first, and thor the second, thor can't wish for anything else. the phrasing also seems to imply that only 1 wish can be granted.
4. gorr's motivation didn't come from his sword. the sword called to him initially because he was vengeful, which was borne of him alone, and after losing the sword he was originally still going to kill all gods until becoming convinced by thor.
Yup bingo a few things he got wrong.
So in all the million of years that this wish machine existed no one tried to do it until gorr or those who have tried failed? Why does the mcu universe have a wishing machine for only one person? Does it have any limitations? I don’t know if we will ever have answers to these questions
@@mathastronomie Yes
And another thing he got wrong.
Thor used Zeus's lightning bolt to embue the kids with powers.
@@IronBronx even that just raised more questions. How did he know to use Zeus thingy to do this? Also it was never mentioned that Thor could do magic but I guess he could always do it
Directionless is precisely how I would describe Phase 4.
Yes Phase 4 sucks because Endgame felt like a definitive end to the MCU
.....and of course it (phase 4) will be dragged out for several more years (and films) while we wait for the latest and greatest cosmic threat, and of course THAT will be screwed up as well. Here's an idea marvel how about EVERY movie have a BIG reveal and follow a major storyline related to that particular character instead of the lazy and misguided storylines being regurgitated by marvel......
Who cares? What's wrong with episodic adventures? Why does every movie need to perpetuate an over-arcing grand scheme of things? Don't get me wrong, phase 4 is complete shite. But I wouldn't cite its so called "lack of direction" as the problem.
@@scottk1525
I agree except for the notion that Phase 4 is crap.
@@thealjohnsonshow2188 It is though. What in phase four would you describe as good? No Way Home was solid Not great. But solid. I think that's about the best we've seen in Phase 4.
Remember in Thor Ragnorak when Korg said he had a mom and she was the only one to show up for his revolution but now in Love and Thunder he explains that to create a baby two dudes hold hands over a lava pit and a baby is formed so they retconned a very small throw away joke line for a very small brief thrown in representation.
Lmao maybe his dad transitioned.
@@MamadNobari Maybe
In the comics, I believe Korg’s species are all male. I’m assuming maybe Korg lied about having a mom to get support for his revolution?
Or he just considered one of the dads like a mom and that guy was like the motherly figure
@@thorodinson1933 If the concept of a mother does not exist in his world... why would you need a mother figure?..🤔
I respect you for having the add at the end , it makes people who are bothered by them have a choice of skipping them , much respect man
When you finish a spoiler warning by saying, "not saying you have to leave" that pretty much tells you all you need to know... if spoilers aren't enough to ruin a movie then it's safe to assume the movie isnt worth watching
Your review is so right on. When Thor rides a hammer broom stick, I knew we were in big trouble.
Worst joke in the movie was the Bluetooth speaker bit. Literally rolled my eyes. I liked it there’s just too many jokes sometimes. Gorr was so cool and creepy. Having his army being beaten by children took me out completely
And the fact it wasn't just a joke that came, spent it's laugh, and left, but no - they *really* wanted you to laugh at it. They *dragggged* it out to the point it wasn't funny.
I hated Infinity Cones the most. Like any Asgardian would open an ice cream store named Infinity Cones after all the death Thanos heaped upon, it would be like a Jewish person opening a store called "Hitlers". Just shake my head.
Everything in this movie is a disappointment. Im sooo pissed....
I bet they did that joke for the memes and gifs :(
spend it on story telling!
That was the one thing I laughed at. It was so incredibly stupid I had to chuckle because I knew I could not take anything seriously now
Thank you Jeremy. Everything you said was perfect. Not sure what’s going on at marvel right now but I’ve sorta lost hope with the MCU and it’s sad to see something i grew up loving turn to shit.
that is true, this is the first marvel movie (since they started connecting everything that is) that I really say is truly terrible and i never want to rewatch it again... the only other one i would never rewatch is the first incredible hulk but not cuz it is bad, it is just cuz i never found the hulk personally as a interesting enough person when he was 95% of the movie. I never thought i would say i would never rewatch a thor movie before tho.... geez Marvel is turning into Modern Star wars now.... pure crap.
@@Deadganon Tell you what... I'd rewatch Love and Thunder before I rewatch Thor 2, still the raining worst MCU movie in my book
HUUUGEEE RESPECT for quoting Kain from the great Legacy of Kain/Soul Reaver series Jeremy! I played this games 20 years ago and still remember much of this great dialog between Kain and Raziel. Thanks man.
I don't think it's as simple as "The Sword Corrupted Gorr" Gorr wanted the gods to die, the one thing the movie shows us about Gorr is he's devout. He lost everything and still praised his god, it's only when he came face to face with his god that he realised he was misguided. That unyielding belief turned into hate and that's why the Sword chose him. The Sword doesn't exonerate him. Just gave him the power to do what he wanted. I'm sure the sword influenced him somewhat clouding his judgement but he killed the gods because he wanted them dead
I agree. Even after the sword was destroyed, he still wanted to wish for all the gods to die. He only changed his mind after Thor and Jane talked him down. The sword didn't corrupt him, it just gave him the means and power to do what he wanted.
@@MrMisterBatman doesn't the sword have to corrupt him, as in that's the description of what the sword does?
@@jeffnajarro1241 I interpreted it as the sword was corrupting him physically. As in it was slowly killing him. However, his desire to kill the gods came from himself, not the sword
@@MrMisterBatman the sword at least amplifies your own selfish desires? That's why it seeks out certain holders maybe
It was trash
The corrupting sword is from the comics, but that was years and years after Gorr had possession of the sword before it's influence began to eclipse his revenge motivation. In fact it really only became apparent after he pretty much accomplished his revenge and still was evil becoming more or less a god himself. The lore of the sword is deep and connects to Venom and the silver surfer and galactus. The sword could have been its own 10 year MCU arc, if Marvel owned all it's characters.
Even if the MCU owned all the characters, they would mess it up. Disney have ruined the MCU after Endgame, (Which was the nail in the coffin IMO). For instance, Hawkeye, wasn't about Hawkeye, Falcon and The Winter soldier wasnt about either of the title characters, jesus, even Moonknight was more about the Scarlet scarab. Funnily enough though, Ms. Marvel and She Hulk are (and will) focus on the title characters. Anyone see a pattern forming?
@@crashnbyrne hawkeye not being abt clint's hawkeye is a fair point, but falcon and the winter soldier was definitely at least about falcon if not both of them, and moon knight was 100% abt moon knight bruh they had an entire episode that was literally just about deconstructing his mental state (and scarlet scarab was a supporting character who got like ten minutes of screen time as an actual hero in the last episode). jesus man if ur gonna try and make a point at least dont blatantly make up evidence from ur own confirmation bias goddamn
@@thehansolo0513 do not agree with his explanation, but his point stands majority of phase 4 has been a bum, expect Spiderman. That's the only genuinely good movie, its funny that Shang chi is one of the better movies/show In this phase. And at that time i did not really like it, if I knew how bad it would get
@@crashnbyrne Hawkeye not being about Clint was the entire point of the show. Kate Bishop is given the name of Hawkeye by Clint at the end of the series. So did you miss that, are you dense, or just randomly spouting an opinion you saw online
@@superstygian3751 exactly what im thinking. and i definitely saw crashnbyrne's statements before from other people
This had the best ending of all time. Im talking about Jeremy's cereal bit with his voice over transition ofc.
I have a feeling there's a director's cut or a load of deleted scenes on the DVD of Gorr, because Bale in his interviews was talking about a load of stuff we never actually saw him do.
Which sucks, because by god - no pun intended - he was absolutely phenomenal on this film.
I definitely lean where it seems everyone else does. Ragnarok struck such a good balance of comedy and drama, but Taika leaned way too hard on the comedy for this one as a result. Was it a bad movie? No. Was it a great movie? Also no. Did I enjoy watching it? Sure, but I wished Thor gained some more mature character traits at this point in his arc
Agree, as Jeremy said... Thor's kinda devolving
While I do think a lot of the humor and things Thor does in this movie does devolve his character, like the poor pep talk he gives to the kids early on and the scenes Jeremy mentions, I thought his reaction to Jane's cancer and his wish for Jane to fight it is mature and true to character.
What drama? Thor’s father, friends and entire planet get killed, he loses his eye and it’s all played for jokes.
@@alexman378 Odin and his mothers death is sad with over a minute to process their deaths and a ceremony for the mothers, Even when hela is mudering you see the fear in everyone’s eyes. The only thing brought as a joke was the destruction of Asgard.
@@Naomi-xu4hq His mother’s death was indeed a sad moment that was played out respectfully. Waititi wasn’t yet involved, that’s why.
This is the FIRST Spoiler Talk I am watching despite NOT having seen the movie. That's how LITTLE I care about the MCU right now.
Me too
But... But... But, are you going to see it anyways?
Same
Well u cared enough to reply
@@adityasuresh8106 I cared about the person, not the movie.
9:45 i did not expect to hear a random Soul Reaver reference, but i very much appreciate it
I've been watching your channel for years and I love your views on the movies. You've saved me so much money over the years and I may not enjoy every review I do enjoy you. Never stop being you 😊
I’ve always loved how the first Thor movie looked. I think it was one of the last they shot on film instead of digital. Story’s amazing too, definitely a top 5 MCU movie for me
Yeah, I remember watching it. It was great. Although I still like Infinity War Thor better.
Wdym on film instead of digital?
@@maxzdr3646 they shot the first phase of MCU movies entirely on film until captain America the first avenger. That was when they made the switch to shoot exclusively on digital.
Same i didn’t love that movie but i felt were they was going wish they’d just making better movies with the same them
Facts
*Natalie Portman* in stage 4 cancer and laying on a pillow - but her salon quality hair still looks amazing 💀
Thats a serious complaint about the movie?
@@wilsonruleman Yes
Wilson Ruleman - Yes.. I’ve see what chemotherapy does and you don’t have salon quality hair and good makeup after what it puts you through.
She had only barely started chemo at the beginning but then starts using minjoir and not doing her treatments. Then it starts to accelerate her cancer. She wouldn’t have lost her hair after a few injections. It takes like 3 weeks or so for someone hair to fully fall out
@@ediotsaurus5913 the pills and other medication they put you through would've had her looking much worse - MCU stans really go the extra mile to defend bad writing
I personally loved this movie. My lovely, wonderful mum passed away from cancer on the day this movie came out. I feel a very special connection with this movie. I don't care if its not perfect, it's a rollercoaster of emotions done properly and it makes me happy to watch it.
no one cares
@@mithex8414 you clearly cared enough to reply to him lol. What was even the point of replying???
Kids making the monsters actually makes perfect sense… kids are afraid of the dark so that’s prolly exactly what they would manifest.
The biggest error… which they repeated several times… was you can’t enter Valhalla if you don’t die in battle. And then Jane didn’t die in battle and entered Valhalla.
Odin?
she was in a battle with cancer
@@hugorhurtado939 that's not how it works) i was so annoyed at that. So if sif does not die in the battle she wont get into valhalla, but jane does wtf
I think this is such a weird MCU film with dealing a serious subject like cancer & having a 1,000 jokes in the film around it! That’s Disney/Marvel Studios for you though! 🤦🏻♂️
Even in Ragnarok, Destruction of Asgard was treated as an fucking joke.
Disney has ruined popular culture. It’s so sad that the only movies people want to see are big blockbusters with dinosaurs/marvel superheros
As opposed to GOTG vol .1 . . .
Which was a SERIOUS film, from start to finish, correct?
Like fr we can't even feel the threat of Gorr cause bassicaly we didn't get the scene where he travel and killing gods like literally ZERO. And too much jokes makes me exausthed tbh
Nah, the humor never overshadowed the dramatic scenes.
I understood that in Thor Ragnarok planet Sakaar was a strange and silly place. Trash and scum ended up there from all parts of the universe. It was open to strange occurrences and silly circumstances. Then Asgard was destroyed and things got serious. Infinity war and Endgame were well thought out movies with a laugh here and there, but a serious plot and characters to overcome the evil that had taken control of the universe. Thor, being one of the most powerful MCU characters, stepped up and did his thing in both of the Thanos driven movies.
Now what for Thor? Back to being silly is by far the most senseless, whimsical trait the writers could have done to this character. Not only was Sakaar silly, everything about Thor is now silly. Friends are silly. Fighting is silly. Gods are silly. Cultures are silly. Tradition is silly. Kids are silly. Even death is silly. The whole point of this movie is silly. Thor (the protagonist and hero of the film, dare I say the MCU) is now the most silly SOB there ever was. The only serious character in this god forsaken movie is the antagonist, Gorr. I don't even want to start on how they waisted Gorr as a character and Christian Bale as an actor, just completely and utterly wasted!
What is the message here? That life and the unavoidable troubles that life brings are just silly things getting in the way of laughs and love. Even if this was strictly a kids movie, what message is that for a kid?
I went in this movie hoping for another great one, at the very least an entertaining film. What I got was lame jokes, bad acting (not from Bale he is the best), horrible storyline, and one of the worst (if not the worst) MCU movie I've ever seen. Taika Waititi has completely lost it, maybe it's the money and fame, but he is not a good writer.
Serious question - Is there anyway the producers can make this movie just a bad dream where Thor wakes up, realizes life is hard, drops the silly-all-the-time attitude, and goes back to being the Mighty Thor?
I was really disappointed too.
With everything he has been through, this movie was supposed to be serious
Yea I agree I would love to see a prime thor even better than infinity war that is collected, focused, confident like wtf he's simping to jane he's a god.. I watched the movie hoping the serious moments wont be ruin by quips and I was so wrong cause it seems like taika is so afraid to not joke for about 2mins, thor is my favorite character in the MCU and I consider this just a parody, still infinity war thor is the goat, not those cringey screaming ones.
Hulk and Thor in the mcu are beyond repair at this point
Well said my friend well said
Thank you for giving credit where it’s due. The first Thor will always be my favorite in the series.
It's the most boring one, IMO
This why I love Jeremy reviews because even though he doesn't know the comics he still understood the whole point behind Gorr motivations but apparently that was to hard to understand for Taika and its writers.
As a fan of Gorr in the comics I hated this movie , not just because they butchered Gorr but also because they ruined all the character building Thor had on previous movies, but this was a bad movie even if I didn't knew the comics , everything just happens there no logic to anything, they break pre established rule, plot macguffins all the time and if this wasn't enough it had a tone of exposition scenes.
Read the comic called Thor God of Thunder: the God Butcher, you will see how good the story of the original Gorr was and why people love it.
That part when Morbius came in, and said "It's Morbin time" ... chills for me
wait, what, I think i miss the last credit scene tho..
I agree
Stop the joke is old now and it never was funny in the first place
@@Dr.Yakub22 Shut up omar
It would actually have made the movie better
I always thought Thor's Story was a tragedy but now I realize it's a comedy
Wanna hear another joke?
I needed Arthur to shoot me like he shot Murray.
Pretty sure the whole Thor giving people his powers thing, he’d beed Thunderbolt to do that, all the lightening in that scene was yellow not blue so u know… and also both those characters didnt need the item to corrupt them, the items just gave them the like green light u know.
Yeah it's what I thought. He doesn't have the same skill with magic as Odin did, so he used the Thunderbolt as a catalyst for it since it's such a powerful item.
Thank you for the honesty.
9:26 it was made pretty clear that Gorr’s “evil” intent to kill the gods was in him from the beginning. He wanted to kill the god that let Love die; that’s why All-Black chose him. I think he would’ve tried to kill the gods even if All-Black didn’t “corrupt” him, whatever the fuck THAT actually means.
Its not all black necrosword it is mcu necrosword. All black necrosword was there then joke king thor valkryie and lady thor my most hated character will be drownes on blood. The real gorr didn't appear in mcu
@@vichukuttan9625 keep dreaming
@@vichukuttan9625 i prefer the necronomicon from evil dead
@@vichukuttan9625 I’m detecting some salt there friend
From what I understood by “corrupt” it meant that this sword was killing him.
The first Thor is an underrated movie. It's a good character story with good/great character arcs. And it had a distinct style and feel, even if there were a little too many Dutch angles. And it gave us Loki, one of the best characters in the MCU. The Dark World is blah, but whatever. I loved Ragnarok and haven't seen this, so I'll pass judgment on this movie when I see it. I'd say the first Iron Man, Thor, and Capital America really are underrated for setting up the MCU. All those movies had distinct styles, tones, and directorial visions that were executed well. After the first Avengers (except for Guardians and Ragnarok) we got the MCU-mandated style. The MCU boilerplate style isn't always bad but is becoming a real problem with their Phase 4 movies.
Took me a second to realize you meant "Dutch Angles" instead of "Dutch Angels" haha. I thought you were referring to Asgardians as Dutch Angels LOL
Interesting. Lot of accurate stuff there. I love those originals in phase 1. They are all super unique (at least at the time). But I will say phase 4 is interesting. Most of it has your cookie cutter MCU stuff, but between shang chi, eternals, spidey, strange 2, and now thor, all those movies have very different and specific styles
@@matthewrichardson8162 Ha! Damn autocorrect.
the first and second thor movies were bad. real bad.
I have always said THERE IS NO BAD THOR MOVIE people are just bitter and jealous.
But.. Love and Thunder is realy bad.
Taika Waititi needs to stop dropping shit on everything and make Thor this pathetic joke.
I think he "reverted" because he's was portrayed as lost and uncertain, he's written to be someone recovering from trauma. I'd lose a couple things up there too if I went through what he did. That and Gorr was only corrupted on a physical scale, his villainous intent was his own decision as a character. I do agree that the comedy took too many steps forward but the execution in tone was to make fun cultist that believe silly things without higher reasoning or material, a meta of sorts that was intentionally separate to show complete differences in parallels. still loving the vids tho as always. I'm happy we get a place to freely express our opinions, we don't deserve it :,)
How he popped that ad in was genius and hilarious!!!
The whole idea of Jane having cancer and the hammer undoing the treatment was accurate to the comics. It’s a good way to put a timer on Jane as Thor. Also Gorr just found the sword. He already had the anger towards the gods since he felt they abandoned him. If you want to read these comics read Jason Aaron’s run on Thor. The series is Thor God of Thunder from 2012.
Just because its accurate to the comics still doesn't make it a good idea.
Problem is that the gorr from the comics isn't the gorr in the movie... this gorr was praying to the gods 10 seconds before deciding to murderer all of them out of nowhere.
@@alexpaez7488 His god pretty much said "Go fuck yourself, you pathetic ant" to his face. I think that would make me want to turn atheism into the correct belief no matter how devout I was 10 seconds before.
Add-on: Also, there's plenty excuse to hate Zeus from actual mythology alone.
It was used differently in the comics, just lifting a storyline doesn't mean it's done well.
I think it was done well. And I believe it was implied that the sword didn't corrupt Gore. The sword leant Gore it's power because their views aligned. It just amplified what was already there. Having Thor fight so hard to save people and be the God that Gore hoped existed was what changed his mind at the end. Not the sword being destroyed. This is why this worked for me when most object makes villain bad when they're actually good. And unlike any other the villain is right plot line Gore is actually right here. A real French Revolution vibe.
It’s great to see Hercules enter the MCU, but I was really hoping that post credit scene was going to FINALLY be given to Beta Ray Bill.
I’ve pretty much given up on BRB at this point.
I think BRB died on Sakaar before the events of Ragnarok. There’s a bust of him during one scene as a former champion and supposedly Thor/Hulk were the first ones to escape alive after becoming gladiators.
....and I've pretty much given up on Marvel at this point
The MCU can’t handle Beta Ray Bill’s pure Chad energy
I'm still wondering about Baldur.
Why would marvel do that? Half the people will just bitch if they don't do it perfectly.
Laugh! Laugh at the humor I'm forcing down your throat... Laugh I say!
...damn, man! Loved that Legacy of Kain reference, such great writing. Ah, times long passed!
I too got big Super Mario Galaxy vibes on the small planet in the shadow realm. Definitely felt like Thor vs a game boss with pops of color from Stormbreaker on the Flash Black levels where they also use spotlights & shadows.
I think the Superhero genre just isn’t for Taika Waititi because he has done some good work as a director and writer in other projects. What We Do In The Shadows, Hunt For The Wilder People, episodes in the Mandalorian, Boy in 2010, and the critically acclaimed Jojo Robbit in 2019. He’s not a bad director or writer, I just don’t think blockbuster action movies are his strength in film.
tiktok whytits ?!? lol
Well he managed to make a competent looking movie with very well made action sequences, it's just that he should've dialed down the humor
Idk what happened this time but Ragnarok was awesome in terms of action...
I think Taika might be absolutely spent on these big franchises, to him I think he see's them as an easy paycheck. He's more than capable of creating great movies, like every one you previously mentioned.
I think these movies suit him just perfectly. It was a blast, it was heartfelt, had soul and it was such a beautiful movie at times. Great watch
The pacing of this movie was break-neck for me. Nothing has time to breath. Huge conflicting tone issues aswell yes. There was a actually a good story in here between Thor and Jane if they actually gave it time to breath and let it be serious. Their chemistry in this movie was decent imo. The love of his life is dying from cancer can he not be a bumbling dumbass for at least some of this movie? Also obviously plot-holes galore. Why didn't they just bifrost to the center of the universe immediately? Why didn't Thor snap ghorrs neck immediately once they get in and just wish for Jane to ba a-ok? The kid scene at the end was so silly. It's just so weird. Like this is a kids movie but also a love story between someone dying from cancer and a broken man. Like yeah no this was never going to be great.
Jane only noticed the bifrost was the key when she saw the book at Gorr’s hide out on the asteroid thing. I mean the movie was meh, just thought id clarify that.
That's the thing... Thor is no man, he's a God. He's thousands years old. Right ?
Thor lost everything, but gained the daughter of Eternity
Where was Gamora?
Not to get uber dark, but Thor and them going to see Zeus and was just so casual about it, reminded of the useless cops in Uvalde, Texas during the shooting while those kids were trapped in that cave thing.
The dialogue was snarky and it's it was like Waititi was out to teabag everyone for some weird reason. Whatever, didn't even finish the damn movie. Normally yelling goats are funny, but this movie ruined that too lol.
That segues was such a perfect example of the editing and storytelling in this film.
Great review; this is the first MCU film I’ve not bothered to go and see as the trailer seemed to emphasise all the points you’ve made, so it didn’t appeal. By far the most entertaining bit of this review was your enthusiastic seaway into the sponsorship.👌🤛😂 On another note, I really enjoyed Dr Strange MOM, so my faith is in Raimi at the moment.
Thor talking to Stormbreaker gave me some strong the deep from the boys vives 🤣🤣🤣
Bahahahaha! Oh God, it's that bad? Lol
The pouring of the beer over stormbreaker had me 😭🙈😭🙈
Oh great jammy is here too❤️ it seemed more of a parody of MCU than a MCU film but still some parts I liked...
Jammy in Jeremy's comments section
It was cringe humor for 5 year old kids
Why
Dude, it was bad. You guys must be fans of The Big Bang Theory bazinga stuff.
I am as close to heartbroken as one could be over how they handled Jane Foster's Might Thor. There's a version of this movie in more willing hands than Taika Watiti that could've made an exceptionally gripping story centered around Thor and Jane's reunion as well as her inevitable fate to the backdrop of the God Butcher threat. Instead, we got this lazily insulting film that continues to shred whatever's left of Thor's lore and credibility (comics and the MCU). So disappointing.
Great comment. This is the worst Marvel movie ever made. The journey Thor went on from Thor 1 to Endgame was meaningful and now they've just destroyed it all.
They gave gorr(who is never called gorr btw) the sword to give him an archilles heel. Otherwise he’d be too op to defeat. Same with the dark hold and Wanda
Overall what I felt this movie handled well was the arc of Thor finally learning to grief and the relationship he had with Jane. What this movie felt short on were the other characters and their arcs. Gorr deserved more time than what he got especially when it came to his backstory. Valkyrie and Sif both felt like they're was more to their story that was cut off at the end. The movie has a bit to much Korg in it for me as well mainly because he is a flat character who doesn't offer any challenge to our main cast. The children felt unnecessary I'm sad to say. I like their interactions with Thor but the fact that they have an arc with payoff while Valkyrie doesn't leaves a bad taste in mouth. 6/10
Infinity War was the first time I saw issues with Thor’s continuity. The whole point of Ragnarok was to show that Thor didn’t need the hammer to be the God he was supposed to be. Losing Mijlnor was a big hit to Thor’s self-esteem and he feels powerless without it. However, as Oden said, “did I make you the god of hammers or the god of thunder”? The hammer was just a tool. Just like Ironman’s armour is just a tool. It’s the man behind the tool that makes the hero. So what happens in the next film? Thor spends two thirds of the film trying to make a bigger hammer to defeat the bad guy. So all of Ragnarok kinda feels redundant, and if I’m being honest, a waste of time. Unfortunately, it seems neither Marvel or Waititi learnt from this and instead pile on more continuity issues with Thor.
The problem with this is that characters never feel like they grow. Look at how much Thor has gone through since Thor 1. He has lost both his parents, his brother and his evil sister, his home and his people, half of the universe and yet all Thor can show for it is now he has become Marvel’s Homer Simpson. A once loveable and funny character that is now dangerously stupid at all times.
Mjölnir helped Thor harness and control his innate power. Just because his hammer wasn’t his source of strength doesn’t mean a new weapon with similar properties would be useless. I agree that it’s awkward timing to have him accept not having his hammer only to be forced to make an axe, but I thought Infinity War made it clear that Stormbreaker made Thor stronger. He wouldn’t have been able to almost kill Thanos without it. That was the only attack that not only withstood the ENTIRE INFINITY GAUNTLET’S COUNTERMEASURE but kept moving as if ignoring the massive energy directed against it. So Thor’d be fine without a magic thunder weapon, but he needed a power boost in order to properly rematch Thanos.
Stormbreaker was built up to be a Weapon that would slaughter even Thanos and it just effortlessly defeated the Outriders and cut through the Completed Gauntlet beam attack.
I think it was very much worth it.
In the film we see Thor using his powers without either hammer or ax after fighting Zeus.
Well at the beginning of Infinity War, it looks like Thor was already beaten by Thanos, so for Thor to beat Thanos he needs Stormbreaker
@@MaxWelton Then love and thunder made Thor more idiotic by longing for Mjolnir after seeing it again, when Stormbreaker is 10 times more powerful. Waititi is a fucking hack.
The goats had great comical timing with their screams xD
I loved how they kept the necrosword using symbiotic like creatures. Cause in comics it is a symbiote. So possibly we have a chance of getting Knull into the movies.
I’m with you Jeremy. Seems like we have a lot of the same feelings. I feel like I’m in the minority of the first Thor movie being my favorite Thor movie.
I don't think you are in the minority. The first Thor movie is the best. Because the filmmakers actually cared about making a great movie. Now not so much. The MCU fans have more imagination and vision than the current writers.
You are not alone. Thor 1 is still the first and best in my heart.
It is the best. This shit was corny in a lot of ways
This one was simply bad. If it weren’t for Bale and the large budge, this really would have been awful.
@@mitchgarbeno3788 Bale was pretty much the only thing I was looking for are you. I knew he was gonna be good in it and he was.
Bummed what they did to Gorr! CBale was great but we didn't see the butchering he did in the comics. I don't know man, these past two films were kinda lackluster. Maybe bcoz of the expectations. Gorr was OP in the comics man. In this movie, he can't even kill Valkyrie. Damn, the MCU should stop "nerfing" their villains.
They didn't nerf Green Goblin at least . I thought he was perfect .
7:43 hinges is the word you’re looking for. Love the channel, finally watched the movie. Too many jokes
The part about kids sharing monster designs... you can pay them off with deserts, trips to a water park, or bowling ally...LOL! And not have to pay 300,000.00 for a monster design. (just the base price not including graphic effects, publising, taxes and other attached fees).
Taika Waititi has a _MASSIVE_ problem with mixing tones. Like JJ has a problem with Mystery Boxes, Waititi isn't able to stop himself killing a serious moment through humour just so it doesn't "the mood down." And I think he's also doubling down with his wackiness to where it is damaging his movies. He's becoming a meme of himself.
He is clearly an actual psychopath. There is something deeply evil about this film.
The problem with success, they double down and make things worst always. Why they should always consult atleast one critical fan of your product so don't misread why people liked your product
I dunno, he seemed to pull it off pretty well with jojo rabbit. The balance was just WAY off in this film with far too much comedy and not enough time for the serious stuff to breathe.
Kind of reminds me of Game of Thrones directors shooting themselves in the foot. Honestly, after this movie I hope Taika leaves Thor.
Why is literally EVERYONE missing that they explain a few times in the movie how the wishing at Eternity works? They literally say only the FIRST PERSON EVER to reach it can have one wish. Not every person. Just the first one and that's it.
So the rule about eternity that everyone in the movie seems to know, and we have to assume that out of the tens of thousands gods, gorr was the first person ever to reach the wishing well? You made the plot hole worse kid.
@@chiraqg1374 I think his point is that why the fuck did Jane and Thor appear there with him?
Which is true, the whole movie should've ended as soon as Gorr entered the center.
Just saw the movie. And the thing is anyone can figure out and go to the center of the universe but they specifically made it to where only the bifrost for some reason can open the lock. pretty sure the Gods hold their orgies there considering they all know about it lol
@@chiraqg1374 No, it goes more to the gods just not caring. Totally fits their personalities.
Eternity is an elder cosmic deity that is more of an abstract character than a f**king genie. More about keeping balance within the universe rather than granting some ones wish. You can't just throw an important character to the actual Marvel universe in movie to help move this plot along. It was just completely out of place to have Eternity in this movie for that reason
If you want a good comic book arc with Gorr, just read all of Jason Aaron's run on Thor starting from 2012 until the King Thor epilogue in 2020. Gorr is the main villain in the first 2 story arcs, and appears at the end too, but there's also some fun stuff with Malekith and Loki in between. The Jane Thor arc is also much better executed in this comic run. There are a few reading orders online you can follow
Just not enough Christian Bale, loved his performance and his look. He looked crazy cool in the dark, his eyes were awesome. Best scene with him was the first scene. They should've done half the movie with him, I think he got a total of eight minutes.
I know this is not new to anyone but I have no further grasp with Marvel after Endgame because that was such an excellent finale.
This is similar to comics when a major Event ends... the new comics are like "meh" because we've been through so much epicness a second ago
But other thing is that Marvel has overstayed its welcome, now it's a line of production movies with no soul and no charisma (this happened on movies from previous Phases but they were few ans between).
And sure, money will always be the one who dictates how this will be going but I feel like the magic is lost already...
Great review, Jeremy
Tbh Endgame felt less like a “Finale” and more like an epilogue.. the only thing I liked was Cap’s ending.
@@firstlast9846 Kinda true. I think Infinity War was the last great Marvel movie (to this point).
I agree, I wouldn’t complain about marvel constantly churning out projects if it didn’t feel like so many of them lack a meaningful direction or even a purpose for existing. The fact that this movie was whiddled down from 4 hours to 1:59 is also very alarming
I said after Endgame that I was not expecting an end, but got a great one. It was the perfect conclusion to the Avengers era. Disney/ Marvel should have started fresh with Fantastic Four or Xmen and some a riff on one of those families of properties for another decade. You could have peppered in occasional appearances from someone like Rhodey or Thor, but the Avengers needed to be over after Endgame.
@@jabezcreed yea now it feels like they're just forcing shows and movies. Even the good ones like NWH and MoM are mostly epilogues to tie up Endgame plotpoints. This phase could be good 10 years down the line when they start wrapping things up, but right now it just feels like stalling till they start a new Fantastic 4 and Xmen.
the storyline that introduced Gorr in the comics, is a great series of books to read. gorr the godbutcher
I feel this film butchered The God Butcher.
@@anubusx I haven't seen it, but I'm confident that they did, unfortunately. I believe you're 💯 percent correct.
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He looks rubbbish.
i wish they would've shown young thor meeting gorr for the first time. i've not read that arc ina while but i remember it being like 1200 or something and he saved a viking village and was banging all the women and drinking all the ale they had haha. but i remember that first meeting being brutal an in a cave
I loved the first Thor too!! Very underrated!
The one thing I couldn`t get over is Thor talking like Boris Johnson. Once you hear it you can`t unhear it and it took me out of the movie every time. Also, I`m prety sure Zeus shouting ORDER! was nod to John Bercow shouting ORDER! in UK Parliment.
For those saying Bale felt like he is in another dramatic movie. That is exactly how Hela felt in Ragnarok most of the time. A very serious treat in a buddy comedy.
VERY well said my friend
Hella had comedic moments with the Executioner in Thor Ragnarok. Bale’s Gorr maybe had 1-2 jokes total 🤷♂️
@@johndeignan2668 you're not putting the "joking" in perspective my friend. Hela's overall humor was borne from a regal and royal arrogance befitting of her heritage, bloodline, and power level. Had she been properly introduced as the goddess of death there more than likely would have been far less humor. As stated on most related comment threads, the humor in the latest Thor movie was excessive and ill-advised, more of a comedy than an action adventure movie
Gorr was way more serious than Hela was. He's a much more tragic figure with legitimate grievances; Hela was just an evil conqueror who enjoyed killing people. It's like comparing Magneto to the Joker.
But Hela was also a little goofy.
Anyone have an idea explaining this? There was a scene where Thor specifically told siv that if she didn't die in battle, and only died on the battlefield from her injuries afterwards, she wouldn't get in to Valhalla... It was the only dialogue in that whole scene. Then why did Jane get in to Valhalla at the end when she didnt die in battle? She died of cancer after the fight had ended. Not even from wounds from the battle? Seems weird to go out of your way to define a world building rule only to then ignore it straight away
I interpreted it as dying "battling" cancer? Valhalla approved of this form of "battle".
She died shattering that sword. It just took her a few minutes to completely die. I think that counts.
@@Halucidnate That…doesn’t make sense but sure. It’s an explanation at least.
I mean she gave her life to save Thor even though she knew it was gonna end up dying of the cancer duh
@@Halucidnate she died battling cancer
Nailed it!! The reveiw and Marvel's complacency! Spot on!
I take the move for what it is. I don’t expect character development, they already did that with the first two movies and the Avengers. Now it’s just about having fun with random situations for the main character and throwing random villains like in a really long episode from a cartoon, and having funny catchy one liners. What’s wrong with that?
I enjoyed it a lot! I’m buying on Blu-ray.
I disagree....you cannot do that with THOR...He's already established as a far too serious and intelligent super heroe for such a dramatic change...It doesn't work, unless your MCU fan history is limited and your of the latest generation