Thor: Love and Thunder Is Not A Good Movie!
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The title speaks for itself. Please watch my entire video before you bash me with your anger, please watch the entire video. I want Marvel to do good, but we have to call them out if they're not maintaining their level of quality.
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This movie contained a stage-4 cancer diagnosis, a fight between Thor and Zeus, and freaking Eternity…and the stakes somehow felt higher when Hawkeye was trying to get home in time for Christmas
Exactly.
I was legit worried he wouldn't make it, hell even his fight with Yelena had more tension 😔
Well put
Hawkeye was one of the better shows due to its simplicity. It was the only I finished and didn't feel cheated at the end.
Battle between Thor and Zeus wdym battle it was 10 seconds and Thor just stabbed him
Such a shame since they showed Hela slaughtering all of Asgard's army while they could barely show Gorr kill some gods 😂
Yeah because woke
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 What does “woke” have to do with anything?
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 yeah "woke" isn't really relevant in this case. People love throwing that word around when they don't like something
That's because the Russo brothers were hands on for taikas first MCU movie, they weren't this time and let him do what he wanted because they "trusted" him.
@@dcmastermindfirst9418 facts it's okay for female characters to let loose but noo when the lead males have to show an ounce of masculinity then it becomes too much
Having *Christian Bale* in the movie and not taking an advantage of that.
_Quite the shame!_
part of disney cancelling quality actors and replacing them with tiktok idiot stars.
MCU be like : *I'm sorry lad, this ain't Christopher Nolan movie.*
He also would have been better if he underacted rather than feeling like a joker (ironically)
yep man, I m quite disappointed.. I hope it will be mention or shown the full power of God Butcher in next story line.
Imagine casting Christian Bale in a Terminator Future War film and NOT making him John Connor.
i genuinely am more sad at gorr's death scene than janes
Same
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍 well said
SAME, I actually cried ŵhen Gorr reunited with his daughter and died
The only time I thought Thor was serious when he thought Korg died. That was really a good moment, seeing Thor full of anger. But even that moment was ruined when we see Korg's head making another joke
taika is a clown.
so you wanted Korg dead?
Screw you.
But in all seriousness, it was nice seeing Thor angry. I got scared when Korg nearly died.
When Jane died he was very serious as well
I went in expecting a lot of Jokes. But after seeing it, really only the first half has lots of jokes. the second half is really not that comidic.
I was excited to see Korg die. But of course Taika has to keep his cringy ass self insert alive to keep jerking off his massively narcissistic ego.
One thing that bothered me was that everyone that “died” still came back. Zeus, Korrg, Gorr’s daughter, Jane Foster, even Valkyrie getting stabbed did nothing. Only person that died and we are never gonna see again is Gorr himself. Hate when they do that in movies
Ya
Jane died
@@flippy3930 but ee see her after death in Valhalla
@@vichukuttan9625 Right I saw that as her just being in Valhalla, not alive. We saw T'Chaka in the Ancestral Plane in Black Panther, doesn't mean he's alive again.
@@flippy3930 yeah. But I have a feeling they’re gonna find a way to bring her back. In the comics Asgardians are able to reincarnate people that went to Valhalla. They might find a way to introduce that soon
The fact that Thor wasn't worried if gorr had the stormbreaker made me feel like gorr was weak because they almost didn't care about it
yea, that's thors main bifrost weapon
And Thor already lost to him when Thor skipped but still Thor was not worried at all
The urgency would've been shown easily if they didn't show the Valkyrie scene. Keep her out of screen so we will be genuinely worried for her because she looked pretty hurt. Thor begging Jane to not come with him and leaving immediately may have looked urgent.
On the other hand in comics, It took 3 of the most powerful thors to defeat gorr
@@bravoninja6937 actually 1 powerful thor , 1 avenger thor and one weak unworthy young thor
One other thing that bothered me was that that is no learning curve in powers and abilities. Happened with Jane and the mjølnir, Valkyrie/Thor and Zeus's thunderbolt and those kids instantly having battle knowledge. I get they got Thor's power but they also learned how to use in like a second?
The kids are technically supposed to be “possessed” by Thor’s power so they don’t have to learn it. I totally get what you are saying tho. Some of the movie felt so slow and some parts like this just felt so fast and lazy. At least some of them would’ve been scared if they suddenly could do powerful stuff like that
@@_CharlieH I think that's a stretch but I understand what you mean. The truth is you have to ignore a lot of things to appreciate this movie. Is not a bad movie itself but as a MCU movie is sloppy and lazy. This movie needed at least 3 hours so develop everything and have less comedy. I'm not one of those "MCU Thor is nothing like comics Thor" but in this movie they cross a line with so many comedy.
@@josemarsc_dev I felt cheated that we didn't get an all out Thor vs Gorr final battle. Gorr was thrown several times like a ragdoll. Really sucks it didn't happen. A "Bring me thanos scene" would have been good.
@@jusayalex I know right? And it seems to be becoming a thing in the MCU we haven't seen a true fight hero vs villain in quite a while. They just exchange some words and some punches and that's it. We haven't seen Thor vs Gorr, Strange vs Wanda, Parker vs Sinister Six. Kind of feels like there is no true danger for the heros
I mean.....they are asgardian right?
There's a shot right before Jane shows up at the end to help Thor when Gor is pushing the Necrosword into his chest that mirrors the scene from Endgame when Thanos is pushing Stormbreaker into Thors chest and is interrupted by Mjolnir hitting him out of nowhere, but this time instead of Thor's reaction being joyful that his friend was found worthy, he's saddened that Jane came anyway
coz she is dying?
But this time no one got hyped and didn't get goosebumps cuz it was little bit lame
Jane also shows up in unicorn, i heard in comics odin brings her back from vahallah and turns her into valkarie so that scene is a reference to that
@@azbloom extremely lame
It didn't came of out nowhere bro....cap throwed the hammer 🤣
The thing with all new marvel series and movies is, that the directors and co. don't have to put any big effort into the making of the movies, because everyone is hyping up the movie, not knowing if its good or not. Therefore the movie makers see how much effort they have to put in the making. Because the hype is so big, everyone knows it will be a great movie, but it also shows the movie makers how less of work they have to put in
True true
I hope they realize they should still but a lot of efforts in them
Moon Knight got my thumbs up because the director and his wife actually taking effort to make Egyptian vibe very strong and authentic. The character progression of Mark is well paced too.
@@RioCahyadiDrayka moon knight is one of those examples, where everything is made right. Loki was great, too. And WandaVision and a few more from Phase 4, hut the last few movies and series were not
@@mariaskanal8500 agreed, Moon Knight - Loki - Falcon is my top 3 of Phase 4 so far. I won't count What If...? Because i think that is like a "spin-off" that actually canon, hence they have not a restrictions to the plot.
Honestly, phase 4 feels like a testing ground for me like they are testing things you know? But alas, hope marvel can see what is happening since they can still be salvaged since we still have a blade, fantastic four, volume 3, quantumania and etc. Which in all honestly is where marvel is putting their hopes on ( especially Blade and F4)
Marvel wants us to sympathize with wanda for losing her imaginary kids.
Had me rollin' on the floor🤣
There was supposed to be a scene where Gorr removes his tattoos but they thought it was “ graphic “ and not family friendly. I think that scene alone would’ve added so much more to his character.
Damn, that explains a lot on how he had those stitches looking thing on his head! Never realised that. Wonder how many good scenes were cut just like this🥲
Not family friendly? Zeus repeats the word "orgy" like 10 times within a single minute lmao
@@Medbread THATS WHAT I MA SAYINGGGG, hearing Taika and the crew’s explanation of the scenes removed made absolutely no sense. It kinda worries me about shows like daredevil coming up cause I feel like they’re not going to do the character any justice.
@@petejohnes8442 just know that the directors cut is apparently 8 hours or so according to Taika. From what I’ve heard, the scenes that were cut would’ve made this movie that much better.
Because disney
My biggest issue was that Thor and Gor's motives didn't logically make them enemies. Gor wanted to punish the gods for not doing anything for their people when needed, and accomplishes this by kidnapping Thor's people knowing he'd come to rescue them? Isn't that self contradictory?
When Gor was talking to Thor, I was just waiting for Thor to say something along the lines of: "I'm not like those lazy indulgent morons, I'm here aren't I? I mean, I get why you want to kill them, I killed their leader on my way here after trying to rely on him for like, 5 minutes."
I also think the whole theme of the movie was undermined by Gor right. They clearly showed that none of the gods had any redeeming qualities at all (other than the Asgardians). This could've been so much better if Gor's initial god was somehow justified - such as being distracted battling the prior owner of the necrosword. You can keep Zeus from getting involved by having him be preoccupied fulfilling Odin's duties on top of his own and not considering Gor a real threat.
The whole thing with Eternity also felt lazy. Thor managed to get there in a few minutes, even without using the bifrost to travel, yet we're meant to believe nobody else could ever get there? Then Jane managed to get there just as quickly using yet another means of transport.
Also it kinda rectified previous things because one of the gods says "after death, there is nothing, only death", and then at the end you see Jane going into Valhalla with no problem at all, while Moon Knight had a whole episode where he was struggling to get into field of reeds (basically Valhalla again) so what???
@@ray..2702 different religions have different afterlife in the MCU, to get into Valhalla you need to die in battle, to get into field of reeds the heart needs to be balanced, to get into the ancestral plane you need to be a black panther in the same way there must be different conditions for the others.
@@kirua_h oh
You didn’t need the bifrost to travel to eternity, you need the bifrost to open the gate. That’s why Thor and Jane are able to travel using Zeus’ thunderbolt and Mjolnir because they were traveling to the gate where Gorr was using the bifrost to open it
@@jacobhayes2019 yeah but the idea of eternity is actually easy to reach, is pretty annoying.
I agree. I didn't shed a tear during the entire movie and didn't feel much sympathy for Jane either. The tone changed from serious to ridiculous so often, I didn't have any room to feel emotion.
Marvel needs to give us a better story. You can't just throw some costume, humor, CGI and fights at us and think we'll be happy with that. We need a compelling plot.
@Christian Stewart If L&T was destined to be a comedy, they should have saved Gorr for a different movie.
I shed a tear
Of laughter idk if it’s just me but I loved the movie and that’s in my top five mcu that shit was hilarious
@@occoladarzage6095 yeah man idk why everyone hated this movie but for me it was absolutely amazing
They did.
And I was.
I felt a lil bit emotional seeing gorr's daughter die but when jane died I was literally having a straight face and didn't feel anything even though I know her since thor.
After watching the movie it saddens me to see what Thor’s character has become.. He used to be such a serious and awesome character that gave you goosebumps when you saw him on screen. Now he’s basically the joke of the MCU
This movie felt more of a Disney+ sitcom than a major MCU movie. While I think Taika wanted to recreate the magic of Ragnarok, but what we needed is the Thor who was recovering from Endgame. That being said, I thought the ending was touching when Thor wanted to spend his last moments with Jane. Gorr was great in this movie. Jane reaching Valhalla and meeting Heimdall left me very satisfied on that arc.
Ragnarok has no fucking magic at all, it's a parody of a film where everyone act like they are fucking drunk, or high or both all the time, one of the worst movies ever made
@@leonardorossi1543 the majority of the fans disagree with you. Rotten tomatoes scored Ragnarok the highest of all Thor movies. It brought in more money than the two previous movies. But whatever, stay angry.
@@ScottWaa The majority of the fans have no taste
@@ScottWaa ragnarok wasn't an awesome movie like people say. It was a decent movie at best. The jokes worked there because that was something different from previous thor movies but that's a card you can only play once. In endgame they tried to do the same with thor but the response from fans wasn't good that time. They tried it for a third time in LaT this time the responses are negative.
Hello 👋
When Mjolnir was shattered, Thor went through stages of emotion. Storm breaker gets stolen, he’s like 🤷🏻
That to me was a big “WTF” moment… like, Thor almost died to make that weapon and Groot sacrificed a piece of himself to help make it… How is it any less special than Mjolnir 🫤
Mjolnir was an inheritance from his father, an honor. Stormbreaker was a creation of necessity. That is the difference. There was a different level of sentimentality.
@@kcat126 plus he had Miljonir for hunderds/thousands of years instead of stormbreaker which he had for like 5 years that also makes a differance
When his unfunny rock buddy appears to die, he gets mad, yet doesn't bat an eyelid when his supposed best friends, the warriors 3, are never seen again. Ridiculous.
@@Nightlightknight Oh yeah! What happened to the Warriors 3 again? Didn't they all like die or something?
It was weird to see Thor pining for it like it was a lost lover or something. Taika was trying to be funny (again), throw a little adult humor that would go over kids heads--but it ended up just silly imo.
Let's be brutally honest - phase 4 has failed to live up to phases 1-3.
Some good moments, some good starts with bad finishes, but lots of missteps along the way...
Thanks to disney
Expect shang chi and spiderman no way home
@@capybara455 I wasn't a fan of Shang Chi... Spider man was ok
@general kenobi no spider-man no way home was much similar to all the others, it was pretty much the hype that secured it’s spot as a good movie
@@capybara455 spiderman was fine, I'd say moon knight was the best in phase 4
_I’m shocked they went back to put some respect on Odin’s death._
I love the non bias review of the movie. I love Marvel movies too with all my heart but we should also criticize the movie if it lacks something.
Everyone has bias tf
All movies lack something
Ppl dont get it, movies aren't supposed to be criticized or biased for, there job is to entertain thats it
@@thelambsauce5681 it's just their opinion yes, but some people go too far trying to make sense about a movie that already doesn't make any sense in a technical way.
More Marvel fans need to think like that.
The movie would have been a 10/10 for me if they give "Gor the God butcher" a scene where he butcher GODS
What is it instead?
Spoil me plss
@@TheBedrockMaster You never see him on killing gods except at first when the sword chose him
I heard multiple deleted scenes were cut because thought it was too violent yeah i know its ridoclous because that comic story was made to brutal
@@SN20999 I know, I was asking what his rating is instead, what are you even talking about?
I want Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston to play their respective roles in the MCU as long as they can. I feel like they were born to play these roles.
But what would you prefer? A character who has a few great films and gets a great and fitting sendoff before they can go stale, or a character who starts off great but becomes less entertaining the more the films try to squeeze entertainment out of them
Too bad the film was crap
@@firefiy8789 there is a way to make a lot of good movies for a single character. marvel just hasn't gotten the memo yet
I didn't hate it but they needed to make Gorr as strong as he should have been carrying the Necrosword Gorr stronger than Thanos in many ways, Thanos without the gauntlet of course. The whole movie needed another 45min or made it a two parter so they could incorperate the serriousness of Gorr trying to get to Eternity because where they got to in the movie, finding the entrance was far too under sold, and is not meant to be known by just anyone. Gorr the god butcher should not have been defeated in a 10 minuet battle either. Destroying the Necrosword and letting Gorr defeat himself/regain his soul was the best ending they could have went for because if they just had the Thors kill him it would have completly undersold the Necrosword haha which kinda happen anyway but atleast this way they could introduce "Lady Love" or just "Love" either way making the movie as short as it was cost it the most in my opinion the story line was great but just heavily under played in severity because if Gorr gets his "all gods must die" wish granted that's a far worse outcome then the Thanos snap. In saying all that the movie didn't ruin my day i'll say that much haha.
Why have I seen this exact comment on like four different videos?
Also missed an opportunity with Sif. Showing her being nearly killed (maybe deliberately kept alive by Gorr to call out Thor) would have been a good way to show how dangerous Gorr is
Agreed with this video. I love the Thor films but this is the weakest by far. The first 45 minutes could have been a Thor spoof film
Faxx. I was happy to see Jaimie Alexander back as Sif but she had less than 3 minutes screen time 💀 And they didn't even tell us where she has been all this time while Asgard was getting destroyed, thanos and other stuff
@TheGlassesPro Exactly! This movie was a joke
Yeah they ruined that scene with humor. Thor said maybe your arm may be in Valhalla 🤦🏿♂️
Love that a marvel affiliated channel is finally being honest about the current situation of marvel. Not enough people are like this dude.
😁😁😁
I think they should’ve put more screen time for Jane before she became the mighty Thor so we can really attach ourself to her character, but the writer just tried to make her like Thor instead of making her her unique character cause she could’ve been a way more impactful character
Yes
well i dont think she will return as thor anyways because she is in vallhala. she probably will only be thor for that one movie.
I h8ted how they just had Mjolnir reacting to her and then cut to anither scene, i wanted to mjolnir breaking out of the capsule and getting into Janes hands and see Janes transforming, that's would've been epic, they also didn't explain why Mjolnir called to her, i know Thor uncontiously enchanted the hammer to protect her but it was doing the complete oposite
Happens with every female character they wanna “i am powerful female”
@@gfbs7004 facts like captain marvel, pepper Potts, Kate bishop and even Peggy carter
I like The Canadian Lad because he is not just some yesman that just LOOOOVES everything marvel churns out, some other youtubers out there are so frustrating because they never admit that Marvel makes mistakes, but instead always just defends them no matter how awful some of their outputs are just to stay in their good graces. He's okay with criticizing their movies and showing tough love towards them.
Oh trust me I would defend Marvel with everything I've got and they earned it too. And that's also the very reason why I'll be the first ones to call them out. I want them to improve out of my love, not because I despise them.
@@TheCanadianLad
Personally, I absolutely loved Love and Thunder.
But I guarantee I'll get hate for it.
The greatest example being emergency awesome.
@@TheCanadianLad That's a very noble take on the whole matter and why I personally watch your marvel videos and not other marvel youtubers. It feels like you genuinely care about what you say in your videos and aren't just doing it because it's topical or popular at the time.
@@bro-be3bd yes you will
You probably like the ms marvel show
When I saw a few shots of Christian Bale as Gorr, I instantly knew that this would make an amazing thriller/horror and instead we got a live action cartoon, as expected
Thank you for this. I really hope Marvel takes in all the feedback seriously because Phase 4 isn’t looking very good so far. The lack of a clear vision and mediocre content is very frustrating.
Phase 4 has been good. Literally only 1 or 2 ok movies which is this and MOM. Every show has been great so far
@@ronniekitchens6502 I’m glad you liked the shows! Just my personal preference though I reckon there are others like me.
@@cykurosaki1337 yeh diff people have diff opinions but id go w ronnie here+ i liked thor l and t more than dr strange mom , like mom was so fast paced and wanda controlled the whole money also it never felt like a sequel of dr strange 1 or spiderman nwh. Also im not against how Thor is a bit idiotic here since he is w guardians of galaxy and they always bring humor for me i feel like they could have given more screentime to guardians of galaxy, also i wish there'd me more screentime since its the first solo character to get a 4th solo movie + im not the saddest guy for marvel to kill gor easily i mean hercules weapon made sense and yeh thor almost instantly came back for gorr it was kind of a must for him to ensure valk and janes safety explaining why he waas at the hospital for a bit +he did show the courage to fight gor only himself this was more of a "classic thor adventure" than a serious movie im more hyped for thor5. Also id like to mention ranganarok was miles ahead of this movie but this movie wasnt bad uk
Phase 4 did go well my opinion on everything cannot be at its upmost best yeh black widow or eternals wasnt the best but here's how id rank phase 4 movies
Spiderman NWH
Thor L&T
Shang Chi
Dr Strange M.o.m
Eternals
Black Widow
@@ronniekitchens6502 MoM and this were such a miss. Though I enjoyed MoM for Strange and Wanda, the movie lacks so much. More Epic Fight Scenes (come on it's Scarlet Witch vs Dr Strange), Phasing, Why should we care about America Chavez, the last scene where Wanda got Chavez yet she still havent got her powers. I hope the next SW or Dr Strange movie would do justuce to their respective characters.
Only thor was an ok good movie so far. The Shows and other movies were acting like puzzle pieces to unveil the next big plot, except hawkeye, you can pass it entirely and you won't miss anything. The Next big plot = Kang, The Conqueror. Started in Loki+Wandavision, stretched in MoM and i'm hoping to get a big reveal at Quantumania
I felt sympathy for Jane personally. To watch her get these new powers and a new and even better chance to fight along side thor and be in love just to have that exact power be the thing she has to both use and sacrifice to save thor? I loved it personally.
I loved that too. I just wish there was less humor when thor confronted her on her death bed and thor really opens up to her. I want it to have a lot of emotion because that is what makes the hero’s journey so cool. Thor literally lost everything and we never saw him break. The beginning said he lost everything and now he just goes to fight when people need him. Realizing he still loves Jane and now he’s losing her too has to be emotional but they completely missed the mark for me.
@@ZillaZilla024 We did see him break! Fat Thor was Thor after he broke, he couldn't face the pain anymore so he went through a complete phase to show us that
Me too!!!!!!!
@@andrewamani2973 that’s true
@@andrewamani2973 but after that... We didn't see him beg Jane to stay in bed. After all that he has lost, you would expect that he would have this deep, or at least meaningful talk with Jane telling her to stay so that he hasn't completely lost everything. Instead, he is just like "Stay! Good girl!!!!" And then hops back into the bifrost to fight Gorr. I feel like the directors needed more time to properly develop the movie.
Yeah not a great outing this time around for Thor. I Left the theater feeling a bit underwhelmed. It had its moments but not enough to overcome its faults. I think after Ragnorak I was expecting more from such a great team that it didn’t hold up to its potential. Overall I give it a 6/10
A 7 or 8
My thoughts exactly.
Yeah, 6/10 is probably pretty accurate.
Unfortunately taiki struck lightning in a bottle once but couldn’t do it twice.
imo thor felt more powerful in ragnarok than here lol
I would also give it a 6/10.
We also didn't see Jane Foster transforming into Thor for the first time!😠 We just got the intro of Mighty Thor which was already revealed in teasers😐
And we didn't see Gorr and Sif's fight
I wish somebody from Marvel saw this and took it to heart. Absolutely agree with you Lad and I'd add one more complaint - Mjollnir was supposed to protect Jane, yet using it was making her cancer worse. Why, then, did it call to her or even allowed her to use it? That goes completely against what Thor wanted when he enchanted the hammer.
Cancer is just a part of you that grows out of control and that begins to harm you (over simplified but that's the general idea) people tend to forget that mjolnir isn't sentient it's just an object an with an enchantment. So it's literally doing it's job protecting Jane but here's a case where the cancer is literally part of Jane so it's boosting Jane and making her stronger and hence the cancer also getting stronger.
@@princeampadu8739 so what does it protect Jane from? If not cancer then what? Gorr certainly wouldn't have gone after her.
@@Rifer0 they followed the comic bruhh..in the comics, jane using mjolnir also accelerated her cancer progress
@@xStarNxB yeah but she was worthy in the comics, no enchantment from Thor...bruhh
@@Rifer0 she still had to be worthy, and thor literally says in the movie that she is… mjolnir only called to her to protect her, but it wouldn’t let her lift it if she wasn’t worthy it
Honestly I enjoyed the movie and thought this take was ridiculous when I read the title but after watching the video he actually brings up some great points
Glad to have made some good points, thanks mate.
Same. Loved the film but I understand why most hate it.
@@bro-be3bd i think saying most hate it is an overstatement. based on what i read, most people liked it, but think that it can be improved
@@bro-be3bd Stop it! Touch some grass. Everyone knows you love the film
@@Someone-zs5xr what? How come touch grass is related to watching movie? From what you said it feels like you were dropped by nurse at birth
The Film Could've Been Better If They Just Made Thor A Little Godlike!! In Infinity War, Thor Felt Like "Holy Shit, That One Really Feels Like A God"!! Honestly Speaking, Infinity War Really Made Thor A God But This One Ruined It!!
Every thor fans gonna get mad but the thing that you told is a fact...
Even in the final Endgame battle his power is immense, sure he's out of shape but his displayed power was just insane. Its like he devolved somehow
Russos did Thor great imo, obv Taika paved the way a bit with the personality.
taika has ruined thor .. just think if sam raimi had directed this or another good director . what about zeus being a fat fool with a spanish accent . wtf ???
Don't capitalize every letter
7:28 "some fans will love a series unconditionally, but true fans will be able to love a series and see it's flaws"
I love that Gorr usually walks into the scene looking like he has a skull face, and then comes closer and you see a change in his face a bit, turning more "human"
I didn’t feel as much emotion as I did from Ragnorok. That’s my problem. I wish there was a scene where Thor opened up to Jane Foster before it was too late. Then when Jane came back to help, it would be much more sad and serious. Seeing more Gorr would be good too. I would have loved to see Gorr go to that planet Omnipotent and just start causing chaos. Also I just would have liked to see Gorr, see that Thor was different. Thor literally lost everything. He lost his father, mother, brother, sister(the sister was a psychopath too, wouldn’t be nice to have for a sister), and now his ex who he still loves very much. Connecting Thor with Gorr on an emotional would’ve been good for building character. We could see just how angry and heart broken Gorr really is.
Me too, but I just related it to him having been corrupted by the sword. Maybe if we saw stages to the corruption grow or fade and having him make sense of what Thor had been through, just for him to be swallowed by the sword. Idk even without the sword he seemed pretty set on his path.
Agreed, I was thinking that too watching the film. I kept expect Gorr to smash through the roof of Omnipotent City with millions of Necro soldiers! Thor and gang barely escape, Zeus get serious and becomes a Golden Giant but is overwhelmed and Gorr defeats him. Hell, even the stupid scene with the Celestials poking their heads into the window comically...Lord, help me! I sunk deeper into my seat when I saw them emerge looking dumbfounded. Lie...why were they even there? They're not Gods--they're God-like but not Gods. I would think joining a pantheon of Old time Gods would be below them. Lmao! How about that same scene, where the Gods are fighting and dying, the Celestials (for whatever reason) appear and get wasted by Gorr? Then he goes after Thor and company after he doesn't see their bodies amongst the dead Gods (who didn't escape too). Yes?
Before the video starts I already agree, it felt very half finished.. Gore had a big gap, Jane had a big gap.. also I thought Korg had a mum? (Remember "I tried to start a rebellion but only my mum showed up and her boyfriend who I hate" etc). Now he says he had 2 dads?
I'm not the one to usually shout "PANDERING" or "woke agenda", but yeah, this is right on the face.
I’m most scenarios I’d agree with this, but considering the humor of Korg’s character and the fact that I don’t know if Marvel would let that detail slide, I would not be surprised if it was revealed that those rock creatures have like, several parents
@@nuggetboi2886 You're probably right
@@nuggetboi2886 could be
@@impreza0109 it really bugs u? Korg's not human, their biology is different from humans.
Agreed when I was watching the Thor love and thunder in theaters it felt like something was of but I couldn’t put my finger on it however you explained it perfectly. and it’s a real shame when marvel movies are slightly underwhelming because I love them so much
One thing that puzzled me is that Jane didn’t have any of the side effects of chemo, such as a hair loss.
Pretty spot on dude
Hair loss doesn't happen to everyone who uses chemo.
@@afrodesiac8064 Yeah but it’s very common. I was also just giving hair loss as an example. There are other symptoms too.
@@Murp_ yeah they'd probably just say she was wearing a wig. Or she began chemo really late into having cancer and hasn't lost her hair yet. Who knows?
Chemo doesn't work on Jane because the transformation to be Thor purges all the chemo toxins thus its like she never went for chemo hence the side effects don't show.
I actually took a day off from work to watch the 1st showing. Unfortunately, I was highly disappointed. It had no character development and poor dialogue. The constant jokes felt ad-libbed and most of them fell flat, all while undercutting a lot of the serious moments. Not a single character stood out, including Valkyrie, who seems sidelined through the movie but especially Gorr, who was tame compared to a villain like Stranger Things’ Vecna , who also controlled tentacles.
It was like Taititi smoked weed and did shrooms while he directed, cuz the movie was all over the place while not really going anywhere. Sure, there were some decent moments here and there, but they few and far between.
Sadly, the movie as a whole was nowhere near the level of fun of Ragnarok. This, along with most of the Disney+ shows, and even MoM, makes it seem like the MCU lost its mojo after Endgame and No Way Home... and Shang Chi till the CGI-fest ending.
Nicely put. But I know Marvel will bounce back, trust me they're listening and reading every single review that matters. Kevin Feige to the rescue!
@@TheCanadianLad post credit scene in this video is epic😂
@@TheCanadianLad This is a bad time they are going through and we will be with them through this if they realise their mistakes and makes a genuine effort to improve by listening to the fans, then we will support them through this bad phase.
@@sauneor1807 Bro They Literally Wasted An Avenger Level Threat Villain And My Most Fav. Gorr Who Is Known As God Butcher Literally Taika Doesn't Deserve This Character ... I Am Soo Disappointed That They Literally Use The God Butcher For Kidnaping Kids In Movie And He Is Like Chilling With The Kids And Waiting For Thor Like Seriously ?? He Is In A Way Of Revenge So How Can Be He So Calm 😞
Compared to Ragnarok yes this movie is inferior simply because Thor was far more grounded in that then in this. I do agree with many points here however the biggest issue is the runtime of the film. At just under two hours there is a clear sign of negligence with building stakes and character development to fully flesh out the characters. Unfortunately the studio is obsessed with opening weekend scores, repeat viewings, how many screens can they fill within a certain time frame in order to break bank. L&T is a victim of such exploitation.
The film needed to be longer but they would rather sell a “movie” equipped with enough gags, action, romance and generic storytelling that entertains the senses, wrapping everything up conveniently just to promote the next attraction.
Not outstaying it’s welcome in the slightest.
Having said I enjoyed it thoroughly but couldn’t help but feel it was too “safe”.
I’ve seen a few interviews where they say something like “it’s like a kid asked for all kinds of weird things, and we said yes to everything” and that really shows. I find the scenes where they travel to omnipotence city, unnecessary because the only thing it was actually used for to bring the story forward was for them to get the thunderbolt so travelling around the universe was still possible without Stormbreaker. Had Gorr actually appeared after Zeus talking about Thor being used to find the city would have been great. I do get that it can important to showcase the fact that Thor is not scared like the other gods and to showcase who they are fighting for, but it felt to useless and too much like it was just kids that wanted all kinds of gods there like the god of dumplings just to get laughs
Good way of saying it, although the love stuff doesn't quite fit. It's more like a studio asked for things kids would like, like the extremely funny screaming goats, the sentient weapons and the extremely funny screaming child army. The rest was for adults watching the movie with their kids.
I also thought that Gorr would appear and kill Zeus and Thor doing it is a a weird move. It feels like it was just there to push the plot and the sequel. The entire city doesn't make sense. Why are any of the gods there instead of their home? Why would Zeus be the most ancient, powerful one? What even is a god?
i also just didn't like a lot of the scenes. Thor being more concerned with mjolnir than the safety of new asgard, the guardians coming to Thor because there were like 30 bird people with guns, even the eternity scene. First they let Gorr slowly crawl into the portal, after which i thought they were going to save Jane (but hoped they would let her die) and then Thor and the girl just awkwardly stared at eachother. i was really hoping this would be a possible ending for Thor, no longer an avenger, a warrior, a guardian, a lover or even a god, just a father. But no. Extremerly funny sassy child with superpowers. Again.
God of dumplings solos the entire mcu btw
I totally agree with you, too much comedy, too little seriousness. This film could never match-up ragnarok dude. Ragnarok and Infinity War are the top movies of the MCU. Marvel is getting Disney’d with their movies, and its a shame
One of the scenes I really remember from this movie was when Thor was talking to Jane about her cancer on the ship while in space. It was serious for a small moment and I was really engaged
Phase four has honestly been ruining marvel for me story lines feel like a good idea but only a rough draft at best. Another thing is how much unnecessary humor there is which never makes stakes actually feel real and dangerous. Also particularly in this movie you see how bad the character development is handle and how for older characters there is almost always inverting the characters development from the past(except nwh, loki and one or two others I'm probably forgetting)
They should focus more on the quality rather than quantity, they're just Homelandering this thing
@@SexLuthor Disney be like, "I'm the world's greatest studio. I can do whatever the **** I want."
I wish people would step bashing the amount of humor, because that's not the issue. Guardians of the Galaxy, Antman, Thor Ragnarök . . . the MCU rocks at making good, funny movies. The problem was that the jokes in Love and Thunder weren't funny. Nearly all of them completely missed the mark.
I can say I was never disappointed with the marvel movies releases recently, but that only being the case because I knew exactly where to set my expectations. Each movie could have done so much better by setting a more serious tone in certain scenes, like no way home. The scene at the end with Gorr and Thor is nice, does some things right, but like what was said, could have done more with christian bale.
Black Widow could have been the second Winter Soldier with more grounded combat and a bit terrifying aspect for the villain. But they decided to make everyone they fought just brainwashed with no motive to actually fight them, and they made the red room a random flying fortress.
Good move marvel.
Black wido and doctor strange 2 kinda dissapointing for me
Tbh They rushing shít way too quick
Atleast make us wait more than a month
Compared to Ragnarok yes this movie is inferior simply because Thor was far more grounded in that then in this. I do agree with many points here however the biggest issue is the runtime of the film. At just under two hours there is a clear sign of negligence with building stakes and character development to fully flesh out the characters. Unfortunately the studio is obsessed with opening weekend scores, repeat viewings, how many screens can they fill within a certain time frame in order to break bank. L&T is a victim of such exploitation.
The film needed to be longer but they would rather sell a “movie” equipped with enough gags, action, romance and generic storytelling that entertains the senses, wrapping everything up conveniently just to promote the next attraction.
Not outstaying it’s welcome in the slightest.
Having said I enjoyed it thoroughly but couldn’t help but feel it was too “safe”.
All MCU movies that were let downs can be rewritten to be much better
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Just watched it earlier and the movie felt underwhelming for me with quite a few problems.
While the creepy scene that Gorr trapped the trio and threatened Thor to call stormbreaker left the most impression on me in the entire film, I felt like it should have had more of an impact on Valkyrie. The way she was reminded of her trauma about Odin ordering the whole valkryie squad to fight Hela was devastating but all that were seemingly just gone after that scene.
Also, while Christian definitely did an amazing job as Gorr, what is the motive of Gorr just bringing the children and walk inside the temple together? There is wasted potential there with the children fighting back against Gorr himself and Gorr not willing to fight them since they remind him of her daughter etc.
Moving on, Gorr making his wish to eternity at the end of the film was a weak move for me. While it reflected the shots in the start of the film, you are telling me that Gorr, who literally wanted to butcher all the gods because they ignored his prayers and let her daughter die is now praying (again) to this higher tier entity and expecting something from this guy? Seriously?
Yes, Gorr's non continuity to his god-butchering motives made movie much worse for me. Why he trapped asgardian kids knowing that Thor would eventually came when he blames the gods for not helping their own people(i get that sword cursed him but still cmon this part was weak)
Underrated comment bro
When Gorr trapped the trio -- Jane and Valkyrie were swooped out by the shadow arms to create a sense of "oh no they're gone!", then he brings them right back right next to each other a few seconds later... didn't mean anything!
I also feel like Sif's character could've been more dug up. She was absent from the MCU for a decade now and the Taika totally did not respect her. She has barely ten seconds of screentime and in these poor seconds, her arm gets cut off. She was so underrated in this movie. In the comics, she plays a much more important role, and even in mythology. It is really unfair for her character as her character could've been really promising. I hope we will see more of her in future movies and see the character finally develop more.
Example: She could be Valkyries' queen.
I'm excited to see what they do with Hercules. This also opens up the door for so many other potential stories from the comics, even Dark Avengers.
I'm still hoping Beta Ray Bill appears at some point either in his own tv series or a movie at some point.
Don't utter that name comics. If you know anything about comic gorr and now look what they did to him. You won't hype for hercules Or any assholes
How can you get excited to see what they can do with Hercules when they did nothing for Gorr?.
I am excited too!The Dark Avengers are being formed right now!And just because you tink the did nothing guys doesnt mean beta raay or dark avengers cant be good
They will do it in 2dimensional
Hope they don't ruin Hercules
agree wholeheartedly. You have articulated so much better than I could have, all because we want to enjoy the MCU, we want it to continue to succeed. But not at the cost of bad story telling, shallow character development, and taking acting out of actors/actresses
Shut up. The people who go to the movies for the most part don't read comics. Those of you who do, need to seriously get over yourselves. Those are not the stories that people who go to movies want to see. The only reason that the MCU is a success is because they use the same characters but write brand new stories for them that look better on the big screen.
Also agree. I love the humour in the MCU, but when it is overdone it becomes cringy.
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He's accurate to the decimal. Everything wrong with the movie lad has brought up. Everything needs criticism as well as praise when needed.
But i feel like he’s overreacting, or he just watches movies only to criticize. Either way its a good movie, none of the things he mentioned are necessarily wrong but none of em make me feel like its not a good movie
@@its_young_luth he’s also the best on this platform to spot the eastereggs and some so much amazing hidden details that won’t be noticed too easy by average movie consumer. He also admits the good things, moments, scenes in the movies.
@@its_young_luth You haven't watched him much then.
@@tenet748 that’s your assumption
@@ronnieclarinjavrj3948 i know, doesn’t change the fact that he overreacted along with everyone that didn’t like the movie
This is without a doubt a video that makes me proud to be a fan of yours. In an era where we either have morons screaming how woke something is just because they can and fanboys ripping on the personalities of people they never met because they were honestly stating their opinion of a IP, it is getting as tiresome to watch as what I am considering the Sophomore slump of the MCU. And yes although this is considered Phase 4 this still can be considered Sophopmoric in both definitions of the term based on how cohesive phases 1-3 were telling one huge arc with a balance between serious and juvenile humor which phase 4 has yet to find a balance. Your honesty makes you someone who one can not only enjoy as a presenter it also makes you someone who has more credibility than most others who breakdown films for a living. Thank you for this.
Finally!
Now, I loved it at first but after re-thinking it, Love and Thunder could have Been done better. And the fact that there is a 4 Hour Cut Out there, meaning they cut out 2 hours of the movie, including multiple scenes of Gorr killing beings such as The Grand Master which is really disappointing Because Bale carried the movie as Gorr.
Ragnarök was the perfect level of Taika-ness, but L&T is just over the top to the point that they make their own characters seem stupid. Like Sif, one of the Legendary Asgardian’ doesn’t even know the rules of Being able to get into Valhalla. It’s just stupid.
And at one point (Spoilers) Zeus Seems to take Gorr seriously by saying “Yeah dude I’m terrified of him but stop bringing his name up because it will start to cause a panic among the gods.” And at this point in the movie I thought it was going to take a serious turn because even Zeus is scared but nope, right back to being over the top.
They should not give thor 5 to taika. That guy is all into making romantic films dude.. maybe some other directors who don't nerf their villain and prefer action over romance
@@tignanshumohanty1700 I think Taika is the perfect Director for Thor To be honest, Ragnarök proves it. And I believe if we had gotten the 4 hour cut from the start i and many people would feel different about The Movie.
@@Zoxxies a thor only movie for 4 hours? I don't think many would have watched it
Every mid film - "could have done better word"
same I only really liked it because of the fighting.
Personally I think the mcu is going to big in scale, as the first avengers movie was only the sixth installment to the mcu, so only five projects to set up a villain and it was loved and the same goes for phase two and three. But for phase four we've had seven shows and five movies with no penultimate movie in sight bringing these characters together. This just makes the mcu feel very cluttered. What also impacts it's quality is having so many installment that it just feels like there trying to cram in as much filler as possible so they can have as many big characters in phase four as possible to get the biggest pay off, but many will agree that a good payoff will not redeem the mediocre beginning and middle of a project. This is just my opinion and I am personally enjoying a lot of phase four projects (Loki,Thor 4,Schang Chi, Moon knight and No Way Home to name a few) but I do think that their biting off a bit more than they can chew with this amount of projects with no penultimate movie in sight.
they didnt even cared to tease their new big bad in "multiverse of madness" nor do we see any consequences of the multiversal war that kang won
@@GoofyAhhLion2937 I 100% agree although I do think we should wait at least until Loki s2 or Ant-Man 3 before losing patience with Kangs storyline
I strongly agree with you, The Canadian Lad. I remembered when they took Thor seriously in the MCU in the past, such as the fact that he was good in Infinity War. Those were good times and oh boy how this movie ran its course. What even flames me up is when Thor starts making jokes, that's when the ship has sailed for me. Overall, I feel utterly disappointed that this was how the movie was, and I regret spending money to watch this clown-fest.
What do you mean by serious? Thor 1 and The dark world?
@@gabagoo777 Yeah, he's no longer a serious-type person. After his sequel he became sorta comedic.
@@gabagoo777 We need the badass from infinity war, not him
@@gabagoo777 too serious as fuck. The ragnarock was a pefect combination of humor and serriousness. it's just that Thor 1 & 2 were too serious and Thor T&L too much comedy
Let's be real. This is a dying channel
The story was told by Korg. As the unreliable storyteller, I knew that I could not take this as an accurate retelling of these events. How Thor behaves in the next movie will really let me know how to feel about the character after Endgame. Definitely did not top Ragnarok though.
Korg aka Taika watiti reincarnated
For me dark world was somehow better I think 🤷🏻♂️😭
Then the movie won't be necessary that way
I agree the comedic aspects were played too much and gorr really needed more screen time. but I think how thor himself acted made so much sense. as someone who's lost everything and messed up numerous times while fighting different threats for thousands of yeats, you start going numb. hence why he lost himself and couldn't even be a proper leader. He just wanted to overuse his comedy to deal with his lack of genuine concern for anything. I think they could have elaborated on that more but in the end it didn't lead to much
In fact, i think that we needed that ending, where Thor became responsible not only for his actions but with his love too. It fitted the movie title ngl
@@nooomady Yes but they really didn't elaborate on why he would care much for the child or why did he decide to become responsible. He had lost jane before so the "shitty feeling" ain't anything new.
@@arshiawin6833 It sounded like "hey, we're both alone and lost someone who we love. Let's hang out and play family!"
When Thor Made A Joke While Lady Sif Was Dying , That Felt Wierd
After Gorr was able to take Stormbreaker, I thought Thor and the others were going to panic but they actually took it lightly so I was disappointed with that. I also realized something about Doctor strange 2, Doctor strange told america that he has had experience with the multiverse with spider-man, so he might have lied to spider-man that he will also forget him when casts that spell.
He said Spider-Man not Peter Parker. He forgot Peter.
Yep its peter Parker
Seconding Aaron, he said Spider-Man… folks remember the hero and not the man behind the mask.
Furthermore, to your comment, I think that there wasn’t the urgency for Thor specifically after stormbreaker was taken because his priorities came into play: Looking after the well being of who he had left It is an understandable (arc-wise) response from him. Valkyrie is wounded-get her back to New Asgard. Jane is literally dying-get her back as well. He didn’t mean to leave the weapon clearly, but his priorities are different, hence his evident heartbreak when Jane shows up to the final battle anyway. I understood why Val stayed behind for the sake of New Asgard and the character stating the obvious to Thor. I’d personally like to see more commentary on the kid army emboldened and empowered by Thor, but I digress. Lol
@@AaronPaige he didn't say peter because he isn't going to give his name to some random girl
Or he did actually forget
I haven't read the comics but Gor being "redeemed" at the end he still brought back his daughter meant nothing for me, it didn't get me emotional at all like a lot of the MCU endings did. It only left me confused. It would have been more meaningful if he used his wish to cure Jane. That way both Thor would be with Jane and Gor would be with his daughter. This is all from the in universe story perspective not the real life actors decisions.
What this movie needed above all else was a more sombre feel.
Had Thor's trauma been explored using Jane as his catalyst for opening up it would have been gut wrenching but must-see character growth. Gorr could have been a nemesis that then would have threatened to take away what little Thor has left and it would have resulted in a far more personal battle with the stakes raised.
A great story with serious plot and characters ruined by unnecessary overly used comedy and less story telling. Felt like watching a PG -10 movie.
I don't know who's fault it is but MCU gotta work on screentime mistakes that they did with Doctor strange 2 and thor 4.
Not gonna lie
The only thing i hated was the ending and no onscreen butchering of gods....
you mean you liked zeus talking with a spanish accent and being a fat moron ?
Same
Yes I agree
bad cgi
corny ahh jokes
no emotions
gorr was more human than alien lmao wtf was that
he just proly paint his body gray
The film could have really done justice to Gorr by having him duke it out with the giant snow monster (Idk what it's called) and Lady Sif and fights with the gods he had killed. The distress call scene with the Guardians was an example of the mistake of telling rather than showing.
Literally thats what i was thinking about after the show
Where is Gorr
Where is the urgency, the pace
I was waiting to see Gorr classic torture style but all i saw was Bale being being a really great actor than being Gorr
It's crazy how the only bits of the movie we love is when Gorr is in it, and he wasn't in the movie for 2/3 of the time.
@@TheCanadianLad Fans: *complaining about Gorr's short screentime*
No one:
Marvel: "This is us being reasonable."
@@TheCanadianLad The movie couldve been way better if they had shown us how dangerous Gorr was with his methods and of his potential to destroy life instead of the humour filled unnecessary scenes.
which infact would have made more impact on the fight scenes.
Like you said, I would've loved for more Gorr throughout the movie, like after his assault on New Asgard if he's able to keep tabs on Thor through his use of shadows and then follow him to Omnipotent City and then we get like a from the shadows assault by Gorr that would've been amazing
I really thought with the whole omnipotent city shit it was just setting up for gorr to invade and rip and tear. I mean hell the gods fighting among themselves then he just invades and indirectly proves his point about them
He doesn’t even have to kill all of them, make it so he arrives after Thor leaves (so he missed stormbreaker) and in his rage he butchers some before taking his leave
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Sometimes I think that it's just Disney's fault because in order to make a good movie, you need time.
The time that Taika Waititi didn't have from Disney.
Definitely coz Disney
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This is the second Marvel movie where something like this happens.
He is called Gorr the God butcher, but we don't see him butchering anything 😅
Same in Dr Strange 2. It is called Multiverse of Madness, but they just flew trough realities and that it 🤦🏾
Great vid as always, Lad. I couldn’t agree with you more that one of the biggest problems with Phase 4 is that the writing is getting lazy.
also I think that his sword was destroyed to easily. They could make the sword a personality of its own. They could make a scene where the sword make him continue although he dont want this because deep inside he is still a good man. That would also explain why he turned in the last second. I would prefer this movie to take a darker tone, maybe even horror like dr. strange.
sounds something like the problem norman osborn had with the mask
the sword were absorbed into mjolnir. . well. .if only disney let us have a 3 hours moive instead of one a half
Never expect the darker tone from Waititi
Yes just like they should have done with the Darkhold
Just saw the movie and wow. Who doesn’t possess the ability to destroy not just the universe but the multiverse now?
When Thanos stepped on the scene, you really had this weird feeling of dread. Hero’s died, hero’s lost. It was all so uncertain. But now we’ve been introduced to Kang the Conqueror, the Scarlet Witch, technically Evil Strange/Ultron/Killmonger, and now the God Butcher. Thanos feels like such a fairytale now. These OP villains are coming out the wood work and getting absolutely slammed.
Felt like the movie couldn’t go more than 5 seconds without making some stupid joke. They literally made jokes when Lady Sif was dying or whatever and when Jane was dying.💀
I thought that the characterization was actually pretty damn good, but I agree with the pacing problem. In that regard, I have to question if the bigger problem over script issues in just cut content, because I loved MoM but it had some fun cameos and context bits cut out that I admit would have improved the movie. But really, the only serious problem I have is the with the wish plotline. Like they never specify the rules of it. Theres a tax to using the Infinity Stones and everyone who used them in the movies had a discrete and specific goal. Gor wants to wish for the death of every God, but he apparently can't wish for him and his daughter to be alive at the same time, like for some reason he can't just "I wish me and my daughter lived a long and healthy life."
But I like that Thor becomes a foster father at the end, overall his particular brand of humor was 100% dad worthy, and the struggle of proving himself worthy as a protector god mirrors the story of being a father, which makes Gor a good foil to Thor. Its even exemplified by having Thor bequeath his power to all of the kids, its not just a funny moment, its him assuming the role of both a God AND and father, like Odin before him (who coincidentally also took in the child of an enemy) But at the same time, it does sort of feel like they used Gor and this movie as a whole just as a jumping off point, and while it is definitely a meme that every Marvel title is just a series of lead in to the next title, but it deserves some autonomy.
Completely agree with this. I was really having high hopes for this movie.. atleast how finally after killing Thanos Thor started a new life with the team. But then this movie took away another person Thor loved and ended with no progress in the arc..atleast hoped that by the end of the movie..all the events that happened would take a serious and really different turn. But totally disappointed how it just handed us 'love' born from eternity and just like that Jane died. End of story. Didn't feel the terror of Gorr, didn't feel the pain for Jane, didn't feel the gravity of the situation and the didn't really feel the Gods needed to be saved. Plus the plot holes..like seriously..from hospital bed to the fighting scene. When did it became so easy to reach the temple of eternity.
She didn't got to the fight through bifrost, she did it with Valkyrie's pegasus that can open portals. It's said earlier in the movie.
Well if you had concentrated a little more on how jane reached there then you wouldn’t be complaining here
Just watched Thor love and Thunder and I must say I agree with your points on the movie. Especially, not showing that much scenes where Gorr kills more God's to show what he's capable off instead of just always letting fight just the protagonist. But I did love the black and white fight scenes which was appealing to look at. And there was lines from Gorr which was cut off from the movie like "you are not like the other gods I've killed"
The main reason I wanted to watch this movie was to see what Bale would bring to the MCU. I think he delivered what I expected but I also feel like the character and his motivations were way underdeveloped. Phase 4 is a writing and editing mess, apart from some new material like Moon Knight, Shang Chi and, surprisingly, Loki.
Yeah, I really enjoyed Moon Knight and Shang Chi, both of which I did almost tear up. This however, I really couldn’t sympathize for Jane. Not sure why, could just be the overall tone of the movie 🤷♂️
If you talk about writing Moon Knight is one of the worst of phase 4. Shang Chi and Loki comes after, all phase 4 is just bad
Dr strange was a great movie. WTF u talking about? sure it had a runtime of 2hrs:15min and barely explored the multiverse but it was awesome.
u guys have to understand that they arleady used alot of the best comics that had the best writing so now it will be worse just set ur expectation lower marvel movies are still better than other movies coming out atleast for me
Loki is superb entertainment for me.
I had exactly the same thoughts leaving the movie. I also felt that Love and Thunder had the same problem as Multiverse of Madness where I just didn't feel like there was any payoff for the god butcher to trust Thor, a god, to watch after his daughter after hating gods for so long. In multiverse of madness, I don't understand why America Chavez trusted Doctor Strange and told Christine that this Doctor Strange was different.
mf saved her from an octopus, and to be fair she did try to escape him.
Keep in mind that the necrosword was destroyed and Gorr began returning to his normal self. When Thor tells Gorr that he can bring his daughter back, it snaps him back to reality instead of being blinded by rage. When Gorr sees Thor holding Jane who’s dying, it reminds him off the loss he felt when he held his dying daughter and he probably feels sympathy for Thor. I would say that he trusts Thor because his message of “choose love” makes him realise that maybe Thor is different and he does care for others. Thor is demonstrating that he understands what it means to do the right thing and that means a lot to Gorr. He also is giving Thor another chance at love by trusting him with his daughter, I think it’s poetic and I liked the ending
As for America Chavez trusting Doctor Strange, I think it’s pretty clear that he is different from what she’s seen of him. He spent the whole time protecting her
@@Lou.D I mean the necrosword chose Gorr because of his hate toward the god that refused to help him which manifested in his goal to kill all gods after he got the necrosword. The necrosword being destroyed, doesn't remove his own hate for gods and how mortal being are treated like crap by the gods especially after the many years he spent butchering gods. I don't see how Thor was different than any other god Gorr killed because according to Thor himself, he knew many of the gods that were killed that were innocent and decent gods. I'm sure all those gods did their best to fend off the Gorr from the people they were suppose to be protecting. Gorr had no reason to believe Thor was any different from any other god because we didn't see them develop any kind of connection so there was no reason for Gorr to trust basically a stranger, who is also a god to look after his daughter. So there was no payoff and in my option the choice Gorr made to bring his daughter back and trusting Thor to take care of her instead of killing all the gods didn't feel poetic. What would have been poetic is having Those win the battle like he did, and he made the wish with Eternity and instead of choosing to save Jane, bring back Gorr's daughter which would have shown to Gorr in his last dying moments that Thor was different and could trust Thor to look after his daughter.
Then with America Chavez, I don't see how Doctor Strange was different from the other Doctor Strange's. The Doctor Strange with the pony tail also protected her until there was no other choice. I don't see a difference between the protection between the two Doctor Strange's because pony tail doctor strange fought with everything he had to protect her. The only reason why the current Doctor Strange didn't make the same choice is because he already saw that betrayal happen and knew that doing something like that wouldn't work. Otherwise he would have made the same choice. There's was very little relationship building between Doctor Strange and America Chavez just like Thor and Gorr. The only close moment they had was when they saw each other's memories and that shouldn't have changed anything because America already knew about Christine from the other universe. Ultimately there wasn't much down to be different for America to tell red head Christine that this Doctor Strange was different. America even realized that the past Doctor Strange was right and was willing to give up her powers to the current Doctor Strange. Then the writers got lazy and America Chavez gained the ability to control her powers because of a motivational speech from basically a stranger telling her to trust herself.
@@andrewl2737 I don’t really agree with you on either points and I see them in a different way but I respect your opinion.
I haven't watched the this video yet , but I had a question regarding Eternity . Why wasn't the same Eternity used to bring half of the Universe back after the snap, provided Thor had StormBreaker , Valkyrie knew about Eternity
Because they didn’t know what the key to eternity was. They found out storm breaker was the key during love and thunder
@@gage9994L you’re telling me some dude on a desolate planet knew how to get to eternity before the god of thunder who had access to the Bifrost the entire time?
@@nothomebutnotreally3782 it’s marvel bru
@@gage9994L ykw fair enough
The film starts with Love. The beggining scene establishes the character that becomes the personification of Love. There's a lot of problems with this film, theme is not one in my opinion.
I'm so glad someone finally said this. Thank you Canadian Lad for being grave enough to call out the movie for its lack of substance and quality we've come to explicit from Marvel. It was NOT a great movie. Even some comment no Facebook said it felt like one long SNL skit.
People suddenly treat Marvel movies like they should win oscars or some shit. That was never what Marvel is about. It is not about the best written storys. It is about shut your brain down and enjoy a movie with Popcorn.
Excatly... I was just thinking that the first hour and a half felt like a SNL skit....
@@reyjr2269 They are complaining about a movie they paid to watch. What are you so butthurt about?
@@reyjr2269 Some of us appreciate film that doesn't undercut its own messages and treat us as if we are idiots that shouldn't care about the characters, you mean.
Jane foster dealing with cancer hit right in the feels, my dad passed away in April this year after fighting stage 4 cancer. I had a hard time watching that scene, I felt everything come back to me like the day he died. I enjoyed the movie regardless.
May he rest in peace my man...
sorry for your lose stay strong, i i enjoyded the movie to
@@mathiasfrandsen5468 thank you, he fought as hard as he could.
Gay
When you think about it, this movie is a representation of how Phase 4 has been so far
This is the first ever Phase 4 product..?
@@ahiptothehop4077 no it isn’t
@@ahiptothehop4077 Everything you have gotten lterally this year is apart of phase 4 from the TV shows to this movie and so far somehow the TV shows are outdoing the movies?
Marvel seems to be making the male superheroes to be clowns and idiots and the women superheroes to be strong, intelligent and superior to their male counterparts.
Exactly. I guess it's a good thing Tony Stark died in Endgame. Wouldn't want to see him be ruined.
I too much love MCU and I'm afraid they're losing the Quality over Quantity principle. I hope this ends here and now. It's the first time I heard canadian lad's disappointed voice and I agree with you lad. I love your contents and i love you honesty more.
Totally agree! Also think Disneys putting much more "content for children" in each part of these new mcu productions..
The only time I can rest and relax is that scene where gorr hold all 3 of them. Bale is a fantastic actor and he nailed that scene. It is also a scene with little to no jokes but surprisingly the best of all
You described how I feel about Thor : Love and Thunder perfectly and with many points and evidence of certain things .
Couple of things that could have made this movie a lot better.
One, they could have added more screen time on the adventures of the asguardians of the galaxy like the opening sequence of gotg vol 2
Two, more screen time to gorr to establish how powerfull of a villan he truly is
Three, interrogation and possibly the death of etri and assault on omnipotence city and the introduction of the prince of power, here he goes on an assault on the God hive looking for the key to the heart of eternity and in the process mortally wounds zeus to whom he offers a deal the weapons location in exchange for his life and the mighty zeus agrees. Gorr proceeds to show zeus his vison about the key to bifrost, at this moment it is revealed by zeus that the weapons is of asguardian origin proceeds to tell him the location of the weapon "nivadeller" Gorr revokes his word and drives the sword through zeus heart and is interrupted by hercules having got what he needed he leaves without engaging the prince of power. Unknown to gorr zeus lied to him about the location of stormbreaker and in his final moments, he tells his son to find thor odinson and to avenge them before dying he hints about eternity. Hercules perceives thor as the enemy to have caused all this.
Fourth, Thor and the others reaches omnipotence city and isbl faced by an angry hercules looking for revenge for his father and his home. They fight and later convinces hercules that the gorr has kinnapped asgardian children is the real enemy and they have to stop him unknown to them is that's exactly what God butcher wants. They gets captured and gorr reveals that he killed etri but not before he revealed the location of stormbreaker and later spared sif's life knowing she'll alert thor and bring him back to New asgard boom! fight sequence again.
And the last but certainly not the least,
Both thor and hercules are overwhelmed by the army gorr has raised and hercules engages gorr thor grants the children his powers.
Both thor and hercules engage gorr but eventually loses to him with hercules getting cut with the necrosword and entry the mighty thor, together the trio fight gorr, thor frees stormbreaker enchants it and activates the bifrost remotely like heimdall did with hulk in infinity war. At this moment we can see thor with stormbreaker, hercules with thunderbolt and Jane with mjolnir they fight again this time destroying the necrosword together and the shards of the necrosword mortally wounds both thor and hercules as they where in the close proximity and as the shards slowly kills them, gorr manages to reform the sword using mjolnir. At this moment Jane channels all of her might and destroys mjlonir once again utterly destroying the necrosword which saves both thor and hercules from their imminent demise.
and if they couldn't have that shit all at once ATLEAST Have a good fighting scene
One scene in particular I want is Gorr going on a rampage killing gods. However, just before he's about to kill a god, the god says something like "I'll give you anything" and Gorr responds "What I want, you can't give me (like Hawkeye) but then the god reveals the part about eternity and how the first person to eternity can have any wish granted. Gorr would kill the god anyway but it would give more darker scenes of Gorr and also reveal how he learned about Eternity
I would also like to add a change Zeus's survives but goes into an Odin like sleep for a couple of years Hercules uses his Thunderbolt, thor uses an Oracle to find Odin's spear (gundnir?) And heimdall's sword for valkyrie (passed down later to axel who keeps his original name)🤷♂️ after gorr steals stormbreaker while jane use mjolnir, I wonder if hela and surtur are still alive
any of these scenes would have made the movie better.
This would actually be a good change and adaptation from the comics. In the comics Gorr fights three different Thors and it shows his level of power. This would be similar to that but with effectively three Thor level people and very Thor like.
Personally, it’s okay to adapt things differently from the comics but not to the point of ridiculousness. This Thor film was what the Japanese Spider-Man Tv show is to Spider-Man comics. Their barely the same character.
I think we can change things to make more sense in the cinematic universe but we can’t outright just change everything to the point of it being something completely different all because “it’s an adaptation and we should let the director follow their vision” the director also has a duty to the character and stories which are not truly his in this instance.
The Gorr comics are probably one of the most adaptable and interesting for film imo. Unfortunately the character and it’s story may have been too dark and serious for Taika to take seriously. He basically made fun of the character by calling him alien Voldemort and the way he portrayed him.
I really think he should’ve just picked a different villain.
I really wish that maybe Nolan or Villenueve got to direct this particular Thor story. I really hope one day they can re-make this Thor film with one of those two directors who are great are dark and serious themes. I don’t care if it’s a one off that’s separate from the MCU. I just want to see Gorr actually taken seriously and shown off.
U see the part where Thor made a speech, I expected that part to be heartfelt kinda like cap making a speech + he's voice compliments it. The asgardians at that specific time needed a leader to give then assurity that their children will be brought back. But no made it a joke and made THOR look like an idiot.
When Gor takes Stormbreaker, I feel like Thor should've hit the floor and get frustrated that he has Stormbreaker, but then remember about Jane and visit her for a quick while. After that Thor should've raced to Valkyrie, done a quick check then went straight to the Shadow realm. And have the events play out after it.
You know if this was a 6 hour Tv Show then i feel like we would have got enough time. Jane's Cancer story and Gorr's story being crunched up in a 2 hour movie was too much with unnecessary jokes and bad pacing to go with it
Yes. YES! All of this. Thank you for expressing this so well. I left the theater feeling the exact same way about all of your points.
I watched it in theater, and well I was disappointed. There's a lot of ambiguity in the phase 4 of MCU. WandaVision, Loki, Moon Knight, the series clearly outdid the movies. Except for No way home and M.O.M, I didn't find any other movie with a compelling enough plot, Shang Chi was pretty good too.
The Gorr gave me a Valak vibe from the Conjuring 2 😂
I thought the same lol
My thoughts exactly.
The first thing I said when I got out of the theater was
“ wow I really didn’t like the way the tone changed so randomly from something gruesome happening all of a sudden to Thor cracking a joke”
Or something really similar to that so I’m glad that it got noticed by other people
Like “ maybe your arm is in Valhalla “
Even though Thor: Love and Thunder wasn't the best movie that it could've been, I really liked how Christian Bale acted in the film. I really praise the humor and the performances of some of the actors. And I like how some suspense was added to the film in the mid and post-credits scenes.
Because Ch Bale is a great actor;) The best in the movie
His acting and Portman's were what really got me into the movie, good stuff
I still have a question in mind. If eternity can grant any 1 wish, thanos should have just kidnapped heimdall and took him to chamber of eternity and get his wish without sacrificing gamora
That's the thing with introducing "Any wish granting" mechanics into a universe. When you do that, you open a doorway to millions of plot-holes.
@@TheCanadianLad Also thor reached the chamber on time bcoz he had the bolt of zeus but how did jane traveled light years into space on a Pegasus. Atleast they should have made the kids return to asgard so that jane could use stormbreaker to return back. That could have made more sense
It's entirely possible that Thanos just didn't know that was an option
(I may get some details wrong, since it's been a couple days since I watched the movie)
But even Thor himself wasn't really aware of what this "Eternity" was.
It's entirely possible that this location would have only been known to Gods.
That's just my idea for how it could possibly make sense
Of course it could also be that they didn't think it through
Thank you for being very honest ! I always recommend my friends to watch your breakdown videos. *Sometimes, I even show off that I know so many easter eggs and hidden details*
Very nice review. I love comedy but there are a few times were I thought we were closer to Spaceball to an actual Marvel movie. There are some good parts. I think the ending is brilliant for example. The main vilain wanted god to care and take on their responsability.
By asking Thor to raise Love he achieved exactly that, Thor is now responsible for his daughter and I find it is a very clever way to bind a god down and preventing Thor from being selfish like the gods in the beginning. At least there will be one god that will care. :)
And for Thor, it provides a purpose. Very clever.
The third reason bothered me while watching the movie too. Dude just lost Stormbreaker to Gorr but was chilling with Jane.
But the one like the Thor being both serious and sarcastic at the same time worked out for me. It was fun to see Thor in the Ragnarok style, and didn't feel repetitive for me.
As much as I like the movie, I would definitely agree that Gorr had less screentime. Though his character development was good, it wasn't enough.
Overall the movie was good. Not the best out there, and not definitely topping Ragnarok, but is still better than a few other MCU movies. It always had the ups and downs so just keep patience 😉😉
I feel like there needs to be a sense of cohesion in terms of tone not just within a movie but across projects going forward, directors are just going for their own feel based on what worked in the past