Before the Federation: The Vulcans Ascendancy (Part 1)
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- We are continuing our exploration into the exploration of the Alpha Quadrant before the Federation . We'll be taking a look at The Vulcans and what they've added to the quadrant. Here's a Hint.. They acted exactly as you expect Vulcans to Act.
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On Vulcans wanting humans to go slower, the average Vulcan lifespan was two to three times longer than the average human lifespan, which doubtless compressed their sense of time much in the way that a year seems a lot less to an adult than to a prepubescent child. A young Vulcan adult would consider an event two hundred years in the future to be within his own lifetime, whereas a human would consider it to be something that even his grandchildren would not survive to see. Thus, the Vulcans would tend not to notice that their timeline for human advancement was being read as "not in your lifetime, buddy" by the humans, since it was within their own personal lifetimes.
That is one of the best comments on here and it truly explains why the Vulcans' attitude is what it is and why the humans find it unacceptable.
Your comment still stands, BUT, (lol there's always a but) don't forget that the gap isn't as massive as you're making it seem. Before the time of the NX-01, humans had cured all disease and lengthened the average lifespan significantly. Not to the length of a Vulcan, but not 65-85 years.
dinosaurandnapkin i think 120 years ?
@@barator03 Ya, that's some head canon for sure but can't be far off. I seem to recall that by TOS humans were making it to 150 no problem thanks to modern medecine.
I can't help but imagine that vulcans are in fact jealous of humans being able to just live with their emotions while they themselves fall to pieces if they skip a daily meditation or two.
I thought the Vulcan government knew that the Romulans were offshoots of the Vulcans all along but they chose to keep it as a secret even after they entered the federation
Why would you think that?
Another thing you forgot to add, that Vulcan telepathy was always powerful, that the emotional instability of one Vulcan onto others was a thing. Example being when Spock was brought into a world's Ice Age past, McCoy said that the telepathic gestalt for lack of better word of ancient emotional Vulcan was influencing Spock light years away. Some have suggested that the reason the proto-Romulans were able to learn a level of control over their emotions, is because of their distance from rest of Vulcan and that when the majority of Vulcans embrace of logic also calmed the torrent of telepathic on slaught emotions as well.
To be fair to the Vulcans, Earth's civilizations destroyed themselves in a nuclear war. A century to rebuild is rather reasonable. Also reasonable is restraining human exploration, considering how unprepared humans were(the NX-01 didn't fully install their weapons until they were under threat, they never field tested their warp drive until they were being chased by a hostile race, they didn't launch probes onto planets to see if it was dangerous for away teams, nearly killing their crew members, etc.), and they deteroriated Vulcan's relations with neighboring nations, such as the Andorians, by revealing their espionage facilities.
Humans later brokered peace between the Andorians and the Vulcans, and helped create the Coalition of Planets, that eventually led to the United Federation of Planets, but the first couple years really proved that they needed to learn how to do things better.
Kyle Sawyer the Vulcan philosophers saw humanity as a mirror in their species past. Knowing what was out there, the Vulcan high command making humanity walk instead of run was a wise decision. The other half of that equation was high command also saw a potential rival that could out think Vulcan when coerced to do so. Humanity became a star crossing race less than 50 years after a nuclear conflagration that nearly destroyed us. I'd be scared of progress like that in a new species too.
they left spacedock without a tractor beam...
Demetrius John How much would you trust an ally that openly gives away your espionage locations to the enemy?
Demetrius John Archer ordered T'pol to document what was going on at P'Jem, and willingly gave it to the Andorians. This caused a war between the two races.
Luckily, Archer grew up a bit and mediated a peace agreement between them, but it does show how he needed to grow up a bit before wading into matters he didn't understand.
Demetrius John The destruction of P'Jem and the war between Vulcan and And Andoria says otherwise.
Yeah I can see the Vulcans as a hinderance to mankind’s technological advances but at the same time understand the danger humanity posed to itself: a tendency to become arrogant. Knowledge is power but it does not bring wisdom. I get it from the Vulcans point of view. Overall their guidance didn’t hinder or stop man’s crowning achievement: the Federation. And the Federation was the best thing that happened to both species if you ask me.
I actually understand them very good. Knowing humanity I, as a human myself, am scared of our tendencies. If it was up to me, I would be even more restrictive than Vulcans in Star Trek were. I have absolutely no faith in human good will
@@AckzaTV I don't hate Mars enough to wish humanity upon it. Even if there are no present or past life forms
@@KateeAngel thats why the writer knows that it would take a eugenics war and WW3 to make Humans learn of their mistakes.
Remember Q admited that humanity could surpass their own abilities.
Dammit, thought the second part would've already been released. Thought this might've been an older video. Now I've had to go subscribe to make sure I see the Vulcan's Part 2. Look what you've made me do, with your impressive insights in to Star Trek lore......
A bit late to this, bit I just want to say thank you for making these TH-cam videos! I've enjoyed Star Trek since 1986 and any extra info, analysis, or thoughts on background info, alpha and beta cannon info, etc is much appreciated! Again, thank you!
If you consider Star Trek novels as part of Star Trek canon, then I'd recommend reading The Romulan Way by Diane Duane and Peter Morwood (1987) and Spock's World by Diane Duane (1988) if you can get your hands on a hard/digital copy. Both are from the TOS period/timeline, which I know is obvious given when they were published. The first provides a very detailed and rich backstory on how the Romulans came to be from leaving Vulcan two thousand years ago, while the latter provides a similar level of richness on the backstory of the Vulcan race.
The novels don't really jive with the post TOS TV shows that came after, but if you are willing to overlook that, then try to give them a go. I've been a fan of Star Trek for several decades and watched all of the different incarnations. Inevitably, a franchise that has lasted that long with so many different writers is going to have discrepancies in the backstories - not just between novel and TV/movie but even between the different TV series. You have to accept those as inevitable.
Anyway, great videos. Sorry I didn't know about your series two plus years ago. I'm subscribing now!
Given there is what a century or so between Tpol and Spock, it's easy to see that there was time for theories to change or be abandoned, and for new evidence to emerge.
Surak is the Vulcan equivalent of the historical Buddha and maybe some pre-Socratic Stoicism and Confucianism.
Out of all the alien races in Star Trek; the Vulcans were always my favorite race. Spock could be so adorable at times😄
In the Animated Series, Spock goes back to Vulcan to honor the Vulcan gods. It seems they never gave up their polytheism. I don't see any evidence they gave up "spirituality" either, unless you're defining it in a very exclusive way.
Much of the animated series is not considered Canon given its.. Interesting take on things. Both TNG and DS9 make it pretty clear that belief in a God or gods is rare among federation species. I found no evidence that the Vulcans would still believe in such things. I would agree they still had rituals.. But nothing to indicate a religion. Do you know of any non-TAS episodes?
The Animated Series was produced by Gene Roddenberry. If that's not canon, I don't know what is.
Also, where in TNG and DS9 does it show that belief in the divine is rare in the federation? All I see is a few particular Starfleet officers being skeptical about the divine status of certain alien entities.
Also, Kirk in TOS: "Who Mourns for Adonais" says, "Mankind has no need for gods. We find the one quite adequate." The only interpretation here is that Kirk is rejecting polytheism but accepting monotheism.
Also, Vulcan rituals look more religious than most religions ... especially when it comes to Pon Farr. I mean, at the very least, they're immensely spiritual. We can agree on that at least, no?
Gene Roddenberry would no longer be the quintessential source on Canon and had some very quirky things. Both Captain Picard and Benjamin Sisko indicated that Humans hadnt been religious for centuries.. TAS is also brimming with inconsistencies and continuity breaking pieces. While I'm happy to concede that TAS has indications that the Vulcans were still religious.. I just don't find it lining up at all with other series..at least TNG and on..
Gene Roddenberry was quintessential until (at the very earliest) The Motion Picture (but more like until early TNG) ... but the Animated Series predates all of that. Also, where does Sisko indicate that humans haven't been religious for centuries? I watched DS9 several times and never found any evidence of that. Now, it does seem that Picard on a personal level has a bone to pick with notions about the supernatural (which would explain his tension with Q whose existence challenges that) yet even Picard says that he believes we don't stop existing after we die (TNG: "When Silence Has Lease").
First..let me apologize if I came off to strong. When on my phone..I can seem combative which is not my intent. Both when talking with the vorta and alternate timeline Ben indicate that terrans don't have religion. Im happy to get you the episode names later tonight
"There has been an awakening, have you felt it?"
This is awesome. Part 2 please!
Coming tomorrow ;)
Here's something confusing about the relationship between Vulcans and Romulans: Romulans are supposed to be the emotion loving offshoot of Vulcans that left Vulcan after the last great war. If this were so, then one would expect the two to be intimately familiar with each other. But on Star Trek Enterprise episode Minefield, T'Pol says that the Romulans are "rumored" to be an aggressive territorial species and that the Vulcan High Command has never made direct contact with them. This statement is at odds with their history. T'Pol should know full well exactly who the Romulans are, and even be able to translate their language. But I guess we can't expect perfect canon from a TV show. :)
I suppose that it's possible the last direct contact prior to that could have predated the founding of the Vulcan High Command in it's current form. Institutions being radically changed and reformed or even completely replaced with another is something that can happen still that wouldn't explain exactly why T'Pol knew little about them unless the High Command was not exactly being forthcoming about the details of that part of their history, wouldn't exactly be the first time the Vulcans have been less than forthcoming with useful information because they were trying to cover up something those in the know considered unsavory. Hell they were reluctant to admit that Vulcans who chose to express emotions still existed as they were too unsavory let alone that they oppressed some of their own people to such an extent they had to flee and isolate themselves to the extent they evolved into an entirely different species!
Interesting as ever; nice work. It definitely fits what's known about the Vulcans that they would try to change (they would probably prefer "guide") Humans sociopolitically to what the former considered less threatening. It also fits that they wouldn't see this as hypocritical (or not enough to stop doing it, anyway); it's very hard to see the beam in your eye as you attempt to remove the splinter in someone else'.
There might also be some envy and corresponding sense of inferiority, that a species as turbulent and unsophisticated as Humanity had achieved warp travel AND changed radically in such a short time. I can see that being a hard pill to swallow for a race as self-assured as the Vulcans.
I honestly think you have something here.. It does make a lot of sense..
Thats definatly a perspective to take on it, we cant be entirely shure if thats the case but its also nothing to dismiss i guess, nicd train of thougth.
One of the more intriguing movie moments is the convo in The Day the Earth Stood Still with Keanu Reeves where the professor dude says humanity only changes during moments of criticality.
I used to leave my dishes in my sink till it overflowed. Then I'd be forced to do my dishes if I wanted to invite friends over or have a party. The professors logic played out with my dishes. Eventually though that excuse for behavior led to a much easier path of progression. If I did my dishes immediately after cooking giving no chance to caking their was no moment of criticality and the tedium of doing dishes was no longer tedious.
In short my laziness was the professors rationality behind even that moment of criticality and ultimately it was a truthful observation from a untruthful foundation. With that observation laziness is not the backdrop of full potential its the self limitation of finding the easiest point of flow.
Also I love this particular segment of Vulcan having been their and done that and humans being there and doing that in a shorter time period. One mistakes that in this fictional star trek backdrop that the vulcans impeding humanity when in fact they are the mirror image of humanity extended over a longer period of time. Humanity however has no mirror in its current state to self analyze itself and so their is no Vulcan role play going on to provide that bounce analytic mutual improvement progression that would eventually even lead to the greatness that was the federation in its non emphasis. The limit cap was only a limit cap to ensure that the same mistakes were not repeated because laziness is not a justifiable excuse to development no matter how padded the argument is behind historical/philosphical references.
Hence the modern day sensationalized star trek is that same cancerous thing that caused humanity to arrive at the Cochrane point at all. Which makes the limit cap all the more necessary as humanity seems incapable of spotting its cycles even when interjected into media formats.
On what Q said to Janeway, I think that he meant the civil war on Vulcan but he was putting it on layman's term for her sake.
So instead of "He caused the 100 year vulcan civil war" - its "He caused the Vulcans and Romulans to fight in a 100 years war?" .. I mean that's the most reasonable explanation but it still seems to leave a hole cause if janeway is at all knowledgeable about history..
its for the viewers sake mega nerds. sure janeway might have known (logically) that the vulcan/romulan schism was the 100 year civil war. too a viewer just saying the 100 year civil war could be referring to literally any war. ESPECIALLY considering the eternal star trek cop out of throwing out a space name or date and then saying oh you know or nevermind or ill tell you later/another time.
Q tend to do that a lot, to oversimplify “for the sake of our feeble minds” as they tend to see it... if you think about it the encounters themselves prove that the one Q we get to see most of, in of itself was our biggest proponent and critic, fearful and eventually cautiously optimistic of what we could become given opportunity, and knowing historically just how well we take to even the slightest of opportunities regardless of opposition... much as the rest of the galaxy really, and more so than any other species,
it’s also telling how Quark of DS9 talked of humans and the Federation in discussion of the subject with other alien species...
and on occasion Steven of Nine as well, in her sometime bouts of philosophical indecision and general doubt...
Romulans could have been the name of one of the factions in the civil war which became the name of their planet and nation after they left.
oh snap i thought the Iconians seeded the galaxy.... hmm
That was the Heralds, the Iconians were servants to the Heralds.
If first to discover warp, they'd have the largest fleet by the second.
You assume they would simply keep building ships at a fixed rate, and that all races would build along a similar rate. This is wrong-headed, and there are countless examples in the real world to illustrate this.
i dont get what the whole fuss about Romulans is
they adopted Romulus as their homeworld and created an empire, thus the Romulan Star Empire is formed
furthermore, the star near Romulus is green which explains why Romulans have a green appearance and why their technology is based around plasma
i dont see how this is so hard to understand lol
There were plenty of species before the Vulcans to have warp tech, the vulcans are just one of the oldest local ones that are not extinct, like the Tkon etc.
ok
The book "Spock's World" answers a of questions about Vulcan evolution !
I read that it was very insightful on the history of vulcans. A must read for any true star trek fan.
4:42 if they were reffing to a civil war on Vulcan, it can still be Romulans fighting Vulcans.. Just like in the American civil war the North referred to themselves as Yankees, and the South referred to themselves as Rebels.
Yea we research ! V !
You should do a video explaining how and why the humans came to dominate the Federation.
I honestly am not convinced they did. I think we see that in the shows because it's cheaper to have humans than it is aliens.. It would be an interesting look.
Regardless of cannonity ST books portray a much more diverse range of species than the shows.
Wasn't their a whole TNG episode on the common ancestors of some of the races in the Galaxy? I recall the Romulans and Cadassians being in it
Mintakans are a Vulcanoid race but they are not Vulcan descent. Think aliens that look like Humans.
The Vulcan-Romulan War gives context how Romulans infiltrated Vulcan High Command. Vulcans generally do not know what Romulans look like except a few.
Vulcan fear of Human emotion or feelings of superiority is ultimately illogical. Most of them haven't purged emotions anyway going through Kohlinar becoming monks. Plus context. Vulcans are an emotional telepathic race that also used telepathic weapons. While they preach IDIC some of them tend to forget everybody is different and what is normal for them isn't for other species. One can see that in Michael Burnham raised like a Vulcan. Not seeing a therapist to heal her trauma. Sarek was an idiot for a father. No wonder his sons tend to rebel.
As for Vulcans contradiction of liking and hating exploration they met Klingons and Andorians. Telarites may be rude but their first instinct is to argue not shoot. Andorians had a reason not to like Vulcan as their government is sneaky. Again infiltrated by Romulans. Klingons well you have to shoot them a couple of times before they are intimidated to talk. Human tendency to come in peace makes them look like babes in a conflicted region of space to Vulcans.
Would you say they are vulcanoid do to the seeding? The resources I look up, indicate that they are descendants - perhaps I looked at it wrong. I would also agree that Vulcans have historically been more complex then sometimes the shows would want us to believe.
Yes they are, proto-Vulcan.
Excellent! I do wish there was more historic information on the Vulcans. Thank you.
I'll see if I can find more, alas..it doesn't seem to be so.
I thought Romulan was the faction that opposed Surak in the time of awakening, sure it was mentioned in Enterprise, but I forget the episode.
I don't think so.. and if they were, that would make absolutely no sense. In TOS they knew the Romulans looked similar to Vulcans but not that they were related.. So this wouldn't jive with continuity
The word "seeded" doesn't necessarily mean planting Vulcans fully formed on Vulcan, usually, it would mean just seeding life, possibly even only bacterial life
The easy way to translate Q's statement is that he's aware they were Vulcans but identifies them by their current name Romulans
The Tellerites!
Good video but you forgot one very important fact... remember the Vulcans are huge proponents of preemptive strikes for at least 240 years before TOS... at least according to the "NEW" cannon.....
Hahah yea.. Going to be discussing that on part 2..
in ENT they were just kind of douchbags... but not aggressive... in TOS they were clearly pacifists, but full blooded Vulcans like Serek still came off as mostly douchebags... even Spock was kind of a jerk from time to time...
blasting Klingons on sight is actually pretty logical considering the Empire's brutal expansion after the klingons obtained Hur'q technology.
Like he said perhaps a little jealous and very hopeful that we can help succeed where they failed. The Federation.
"were"?
Vulcans did not call Romulans ‘Romulans’ for the same reason that Paul Revere never said “ the British are coming, the British are coming”. Because nobody considered being American and being British to be separate things….. yet.
My hypothesis is that both the Romulan and Vulcan race were one at one time and the whole introduction to the mindset of logic separated their society and I believe that the Romulan initiative was more aggressive and technologically driven. They weren't interested and logic and peace in the Galaxy they were more interested in their own advancement and that's what drove them away from Vulcan Society.
There was a novel 35 years ago that was allowed to use the Star Trek universe and in it the Vulcans had a civil war between the ones who wanted logic and the ones who did not. At the same time Vulcan was invaded by a spacefaring race that had warp tech and advanced weapons. The planet was nearly conquered until the illogical rebels managed to get operatives into the alien crafts all in one night and defeat them. There was a truce and a deal so the rebels took the alien ships and went searching for a new home and found a planet they called Romulus. This ties in with Spock in his later years going to Romulus and being a part of the underground movement to reunite the Vulcans and Romulans.
My biggest question about Vulcans has always been, how were they able to suddenly purge their emotions? Humans could never do that, no matter what culture you raise them in. So, did the Vulcans go through some massive genetic manipulation to achieve this cultural goal? In other words, did they change their own brains to be able to suppress emotions? Because that's the only real explanation that makes sense to me.
That's a definite possibility and maybe that's why Vulcans are so secretive even to the point of people not knowing much about their breeding and biology
Vulcans have terribly powerful emotions. Still have them. They don't act on them any more.
This needs to happen on Earth today. Stoicism is real and we need our own Surak.
...maybe it will?
Holding out for a hero?
This comment did not age well. 3 years later and I found that stoicism mostly attracts toxic dude bros who jack off to jordan peterson and want to excuse their apathy toward oppressed people. No thanks. I choose to have a heart.
@@ItsCoreyLynxxYall It's a shame because actual stoicism didn't say you should be apathetic, but rather to embrace your emotions, while controlling them.
Peterson doesn't really have much originality to show for, but to his credit, he is introducing interest in philosophy.
(Now to be honest, hearing anyone say dudebro unironically makes me cringe)
Maybe Romulan means something regarding emotion or anti logic in the vulcan home world language.
The Vulcan high command was becoming more aggressive due to the Romulans who had infiltration & took over the high command. It looked like they were slowing per pairing the Vulcans for assimilation in to the Romulan empire.
Agreed, This is discussed in the second video.
I believe they were seeded and those seeds developed into the vulcanizes. Because in the i next generation. I forget the name of the episode.Pichard goes on a hunt because of one of his old professors. He finds there was a race that seeded multiple planets in the galaxy. Those seeds directed them toward the humanoid form.
The vulcans are related to romulans which were from the iconians
One thing that occurred to me after watching this video is this, if the Vulcans were heading towards destruction and averted it by "embracing logic," and if the Romulans faced the same problem, since they were also Vulcans at the time, why did the Romulans continue to exist and develop rather than destroy themselves by now, (or whatever "now" is in the future)?
The only really excuse I could think is that maybe them leaving the planet calmed them down.. They were able to keep it together a bit.
Q may just have been referring to the sides.
Q may have used the term Romulan to clarify
If archers trip was stopped there might've not been the Klingon war so soon while humans were still unprepared
What if the Klingons were an offshoot of the Volcans who embraced emotions
All I got to say is "LONG LIVE THE TERRAN EMPIRE EARTH'S TRUE RULING BODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" (Even if Kirk did screw it up for the rest of us).
...You're not wrong.
Hail to the Emperor
Hail Worf !?
BLASPHEMES
Lore Reloaded isn't he still Emperor in the Mirror Universe.
Great work. New sub.
Thanks! Welcome to the channel :)
Nice video, but Spock came after T'Pol. So it is OK if T'Pol thought they evolved naturally as opposed to them being seeded.
..... I stand corrected.
They could of still been known as Romulans on Vulcan. They could of took the name while still there as some sort of Religious name, or just some simple belief they had.
i liked this video, and i agree with what the Vulcan's did, it could be seen as a bit selfish in away, because that fury against each other could quickly turn into a uniting force to conquer and Vulcans would be target number 1, but if their fear was truly to prevent Humanity from walking down their path towards self destruction, then its commendable. If only we could find a big brother/sister race in RL to broker deals between countries and get us focused on something more important, cause i think quite a few would agree with me here, but i would like to see a base on the moon or at least a landing on mars before i die. at this point the only big moments of my life have been ones of darkness(9/11, the rise of ISIS, possible nuclear war, etc). my parents at least hand the moon landing, my grandparents had the day the Nazi's and the Japanese surrendered.
They need to bring back Enterprise.. but drop the crappy music and get rid of the crazy lens flare from Discovery...
maybe one day
The theme of Mirror Darlky of Enterprise was good.
Sophia Wilson Power ballads... pfft...
TNG established the progenitors seeded Vulcan. They needed DNA from Romulins so more or likely the seeded some planet with more than puzzle strand.
Well, arguably you could also say that the TNG episode was based off the TOS episode. Which would make sense.
Link to background music please!
I think it's this track:
www.shazam.com/track/144162018/hot
Oxhorn?
We expected hypocrisy, we got it!
BERMAN!
@@bo0tsy1 That's NOT my name...
Honestly i think the reason q calls them Romans either to be intentionally deceitful to janeway who may not know it, to be more specific, and or it could just be what the civil war is called in their current time.
First to have warp tech isn't correct, HURQ had it and ICONIANS long before they had gates
Could it not just be that romulans where people of a country romulus and vulcan of a country vlucan on the planet. And after the 100 year war one people left the planet and renamed the new planet romulus.
5:00 I don't think it's a continuity error as Romulans are descended from Vulcans and it's possible the Vulcan Romulan War occurred sometime after the Romulans left Vulcan.
The problem is that the vulcans don't know the romulans are related until TOS.
Meaning very limited interaction and if i5 occured after that.. It would have been the federation..romulan war..
Debrune are descendants of the vulcans..verified on three sources.. Thats what I meant when I said 'offshoot'
The relation of the Debrune to Romulans and Vulcans is somewhat unclear, but what we do know strongly suggest that when the Vulcans who left Vulcan to found Romulus, split at some point into Romulans and Debrune. However the Mintakans are definitely NOT related to any of them, they are however a type of humanoid the resemble vulcans, and romulans etc. (hence the term proto-vulcan). This is expressly proven by the contents of the episode that features the Mintakans.
Question: Why do Vulcans look so similar to humans?
Easy $
@@mrbojangles8133 Fair enough.
great video but I found the music EXTREMELY annoying. Please take it off. You're an excellent narrator covering a great topic, so don't layer this good stuff with noise.
i think the distortion that occurs in the name of vulcans and romulans occurred over time as they had been once race with two political sides that went to war against the other, prior to the exodus of the romulans from the combined race the people of the planet became to call themselves vulcan to id with that political movement, basically what i'm saying is before the split they probably had a totally different name for the planet and race of people and it was changed to be independent of the other. sorta like spain not having catalonia gain independence. they rebranded and fought back to the bitter end when the wars finally stopped vulcan was a nuclear wasteland...
Ok, stop saying "first species" to create warp drive. In Star Trek Cannon there have been star-faring civilizations in the Milky Way for at least 2 Billion years, and we know exactly why there are so many humanoid species, including Vulcans, in Star Trek. What you're trying to say is that they were one of the fist peoples to create warp drive *among the peoples that would eventually join the Federation*. There were warp capable civilizations in existence when Vulcans were little more than early *Vulcan equivalent to mammals*.
.......ok
Oh hey. Not trying to be a dick or anything, I still enjoyed the video. Keep it up.
Ahh ok..thanks for the clarification..text can be hard to read and youd be surprised how many come looking for a fight with this stuff. Additionally.. I saw your point so I'll be more careful in the future. As you somewhat note..mymeaning was clear..I just was using the wrong word..
I am totally in agreement with the Vulcans. No way I trust humanity.
First to discover earn on their corner of space...
Analyzing in background.
Yup, that no longer happens ;)
Q can travel through time.
> Vulcans - being one of the first who obtained warp travel technology...
> ROFL
According to the lore and dialogue..they are
@@LoreReloaded Guess you are spoken about +- some age period with humans and don't include ancient civilizations which was in fact first... and in alpha quadrant...
Here are few of the actual first =)
- Guardians of forever
- Progenitors
- Imotru from Tagus III (even tho as far as I remember there is no direct indications that they were warp capable this is one of the first races raised by Progenitors like BILLION(s) years ago and I'd rather believe that they lose they tech in some cataclysm or just degraded than that they not invented anything (due to average species tech development speed in ST nad in actual world).
- Slaver (Thrint)
That's like billions years ago.
- Rigelian masters (guess that's from Beta but nevertheless)
- D'Arsay
- Voths
That's were up to hundred millions years.
Next is from dozens of millions o thousands.
- Organians
- Iconians
and like bunch others im pretty tired of writing this...
Not mentioning some shit like ancient Borgs or whatever tuned Voyager into V'ger, Whale probe etc...
That's why it was a funny thing to listen about Vulcans were one of the first warp capable dudes in there =D
@@LegaRoSS Listen to the dialogue.. one of the first of the alpha quadrant..or some equivalant. I chose my words wiselym
@@LoreReloaded 0:11 you said 'in alpha quadrant' in the next video tho not here =)
btw there is no info on where Q or original Borgs came from...
From the other hand Organians, Voths and that whales in their probe are definitely from Alpha quadrant.
Well it wouldn’t be the first time
Vulcans hid something that horrible because it didn’t would embarrass them
That is true.. They can be fairly deceptive.
vulvanit are some sirios race.
The name romulans could've started as a political party based on accepted war.
That survey makes a lot more sense now.
Yea.. In retrospect..should have expanded..
What is your computer "analyzing" in the background?
That's one of the rendering functions (I run it through three programs).. Where do you see that?
Oh wow.. GRR.. That's going to annoy me now.. I'll watch closer for that
One is at 5:29. The other was about 2 minutes before.
Even with my volume maxed I can barely hear this.
Try wearing headphones.. it may help - I’ve had issues with sound for sure
At full volume, I have a hard time hearing and understanding you.
Same here.
Captain,the universal translator is not working.
Early but not first*******
Next time! The first slot will one day be yours!
Surprise Buck your ideas up.
Noice
I try ;)
Simple, ignore anything that is NOT The Original Series. It makes sense then.
all of the worlds problems..solved..
Lol the irony of that statement tos making sense good one
It only stops making sense when you start adding in all the retcons that came later.
Then we'd have no info about anything really. Tos wasnt very big on world building. Stuff just kinda fell into place
You ned to increase yer volume, my speakers are crap right now but if ya spoke just lil louder be a big help.
It's my audio output to.. I know it can be rough without headphones...I'll increase the volume by 5 db next time and speak up
Acky laddie tis not a big deal I plan to get good earphones again and some speakers someday. Everything sounds too small. I like yer vids tho so if yea can raise the vid's volume a bit I think is all it needs.
Lore Reloaded is constantly overthinking the continuity errors created by Star Trek's stupid writers.
The Vulcans were actually jealous.
I never fully understood what that Vulcan guy says, it took 1500 years for Vulcans to recover from their devastation, but it only took humans 100. It is like being confused by the fact an aircraft can reach the other side of the planet faster than a cruise ship would, he is blaming Humanity for benefiting from the Vulcan intervention.
His own species had no help whatsoever from anybody which is why their post-catastrophe recovery took so long, but Humans had help in repairing the ecological and societal damage brought about by World War 3.
You fear what you don't understand.. even Vulcans apparently.
Good video but to be honest, I can kinda understand the vulcans and their attempt to slow down humanities progress cause of their own history and they ARE almost demi-Gods compared to us...
Superior intelligence, mind-powers, the katra(vulcan spirit) is IMMUNE to death if shared with another individuel through mind-melt, they live twice as long, are 3!! times stronger and 2 times FASTER, I mean WTH! Even a klingon should be NO MATCH for a vulcan let alone a human.
I wouldn't go as far to say that a Klingon is no match for a Vulcan.. But I would say that Vulcans are superior in those aspects. It reminds me of Thor.. they use Technology which seems god-like to us.
TURN UP UR MIC!!!!
The use of caps really helps me better understand you. This is something that's been said by one or two others and I know it can be hard to hear if not using headphones.. Something I am going to be doing in the future ;)
Lore Reloaded I mean it clearly does help seeing as you responded almost immediately.
I mean I'm using headphones and it's still low, so try to tweak your mic volume a bit.
Vulcan females are quite attractive......just saying
Or they could have been an under developed race until their intervention.
Uhm actually Vulcans did not originate on vulcan, they originated on another as yet unknown planet which like other planets was seeded. They then moved around alot after developing tech and ended up on a planet that was shared before they became vulcans. This planet would be where they and the Romulans parted ways due to philosophical differences. They traveled to Vulcan and made their home but they began being influenced by their passions as generations often do younger generations that is and didn't have a well established method of repressing emotions what happened was they made it more of a governance rather than a spiritual practice.
This lead to the war that ended all wars where the creature of pure logical philosophy died from radiation poisoning.
Vulcans did not originate on Vulcan.
First, I stated that they may have been seeded.. Secondly, In Enterprise 'The Forge' - T'pol says.. and I quote - 'My inner eyelids will protect my vision. My species evolved on this planet. '. I also stated that both can be true.. As for the travel from planets and such.. Do you have a resource for that?
This is another reason why I hate the star trek franchise in general ... the vulcans are a contradictory, procrastinating, and hypocritical species and it's there fault the federation is so contradictory, hypocritical, and superficial in the first place!
P.S. logic & reasoning IS NOT absolute and everything, everything in the real world is ILLOGICAL and UNREASONABLE, and if you still don't believe me go take a "GOOD LONG HARD LOOK" at whats going on in the real world right now!!!
Agreed.
thanks